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Date: 31 Jul 2007 18:47:13
From: Al
Subject: Testosterone gel and body contact
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Sinkowitz said that he used Testogel, a gel used medicinally for
treating low testosterone levels in men. I checked it out at
http://www.netdoctor.co.uk and noticed the following:
"Testosterone gel can be transferred to other people by close skin to
skin contact. You should take precautions to avoid this, particularly
to women, pregnant women and children, as the testosterone could have
masculinising effects on them. This could cause symptoms such as
growth of facial and/or body hair, deepening of the voice or
irregularities of the menstrual cycle. To avoid transferring the gel
to others, you should wash your hands with soap and water after
applying the gel. Make sure you cover the application area with
clothing, or take a shower before you have any close skin to skin
contact with other people, including sex. Ideally you should leave six
hours between applying the gel and showering."
According to the same article, the correct way to apply it is over
both shoulders, both arms or the abdomen. Surely there's plenty of
arm/elbow contact in the peloton... is it nuts to think that this
could result in positive testosterone results for an innocent party?
Thanks,
Al
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 22:29:45
From: k.papai
Subject: Re: Testosterone gel and body contact
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On Jul 31, 6:15 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Chris M" <chrismcreyno...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:1185926959.926457.279690@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
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>
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> > Al wrote:
> > is it nuts to think that this
> >> could result in positive testosterone results for an innocent party?
>
> > I have never heard about a woman using (legally)
> > testosterone supplement.
>
> In fact the testosterone patches were designed FOR women. Apparently there
> are some sorts of ailments helped by it.
>
> However, the chances of getting significant testosterone from such contacts
> is pretty miniscule in my opinion.
Interesting speculations....
Also, this stuff goes on at night for recovery supposedly... so
there's none
left on the skin in the morning anyway.
-ken
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 17:09:19
From: Chris M
Subject: Re: Testosterone gel and body contact
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Al wrote:
is it nuts to think that this
> could result in positive testosterone results for an innocent party?
>
> Thanks,
> Al
It is a reasonable question for sure. However, I would think it
unlikely, but not impossible for this to happen. I am not sure if you
thought this through, but the heterosexual male athlete is not going
to be concerned about his significant other having testosterone
topical cream / gel. I have never heard about a woman using (legally)
testosterone supplement. Female athletes and homosexual male athletes
need to be careful thoigh.
As to the placement of the product, the advice you cite is intended to
direct the patient to apply it on locations that will be avoiding too
much fat tissue, because it would take much longer for the hormone to
become available as compared to application on sites with very little
fat to impede it. Over the long-term, it really doesn't matter where
it is applied as long as the patient is consistent. The hormone will
tend to build its concentration in the tissues where it is applied and
the further it is from the bloodstream's ability to distribute it, the
longer it will take to reach the therapeutic dose intended by the
presciber. It's a case of better safe than sorry, and those sites are
more reliable across the entire spectrum of patients that need this
therapy. My assumption is that since the majority of US citizens /
patients are obese, for their sake it is advised to apply where the
large masses of fat are least likely to impede the hormone from
becoming available for the patient.
For virtually all athletes without huge masses of fat, it does not
matter much where it is applied. Therefore, for all of these reasons I
say that athletes have little excuse for contaminating another this
way.
In other words, most athletes and others with relatively low body fat
have a lot more options about where and how to apply it. It can be
placed almost anywhere on a patient with body fat percentage in the
single digits, we see in virtually all pro / elite cyclists.
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 01:15:15
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Testosterone gel and body contact
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"Chris M" <chrismcreynolds@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1185926959.926457.279690@g12g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>
> Al wrote:
> is it nuts to think that this
>> could result in positive testosterone results for an innocent party?
>
> I have never heard about a woman using (legally)
> testosterone supplement.
In fact the testosterone patches were designed FOR women. Apparently there
are some sorts of ailments helped by it.
However, the chances of getting significant testosterone from such contacts
is pretty miniscule in my opinion.
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 21:51:04
From:
Subject: Re: Testosterone gel and body contact
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I don't know about the peleton, but this could explain why my hairy
chested, beared SO stopped having her period.
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 10:23:21
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Testosterone gel and body contact
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arthgg wrote:
> I don't know about the peleton, but this could explain why my hairy
> chested, beared SO stopped having her period.
Most bears are hairy chested even without follicle enhancing drugs.
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Date: 01 Aug 2007 08:35:40
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Testosterone gel and body contact
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arthgg@gmail.com wrote:
> I don't know about the peleton, but this could explain why my hairy
> chested, beared SO stopped having her period.
>
pelOton.
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 21:46:35
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Testosterone gel and body contact
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On Jul 31, 5:42 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >
wrote:
> basso12...@gmail.com wrote:
> > If Landis and Sinkowitz were hugging excessively after Stage 16, last
> > year, it would explain this quote,
>
> > ""I have never taken any banned substance, including testosterone," he
> > said in a statement. "I was the strongest man at the Tour de France,
> > and that is why I am the champion." (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/
> > 14059185/)
>
> > Says NOTHING about body contact.
>
> >> According to the same article, the correct way to apply it is over
> >> both shoulders, both arms or the abdomen. Surely there's plenty of
> >> arm/elbow contact in the peloton... is it nuts to think that this
> >> could result in positive testosterone results for an innocent party?
>
> Wow -- a "golden handshake" after the stage?
>
> A gel-impregnated lion?
>
> The plot scenerios are endless.
>
> Dan- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
gee whiz you can get a paint ball gun and shoot hamlet as he rides by
I'll call the Basques and offer a volume discount
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 18:56:59
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Testosterone gel and body contact
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wow! Seattle T-Mobile's free phone offer arrived in today's mail.
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 18:53:14
From:
Subject: Re: Testosterone gel and body contact
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If Landis and Sinkowitz were hugging excessively after Stage 16, last
year, it would explain this quote,
""I have never taken any banned substance, including testosterone," he
said in a statement. "I was the strongest man at the Tour de France,
and that is why I am the champion." (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/
14059185/)
Says NOTHING about body contact.
On Jul 31, 2:47 pm, Al <tiggy...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Sinkowitz said that he used Testogel, a gel used medicinally for
> treating low testosterone levels in men. I checked it out athttp://www.netdoctor.co.ukand noticed the following:
>
> "Testosterone gel can be transferred to other people by close skin to
> skin contact. You should take precautions to avoid this, particularly
> to women, pregnant women and children, as the testosterone could have
> masculinising effects on them. This could cause symptoms such as
> growth of facial and/or body hair, deepening of the voice or
> irregularities of the menstrual cycle. To avoid transferring the gel
> to others, you should wash your hands with soap and water after
> applying the gel. Make sure you cover the application area with
> clothing, or take a shower before you have any close skin to skin
> contact with other people, including sex. Ideally you should leave six
> hours between applying the gel and showering."
>
> According to the same article, the correct way to apply it is over
> both shoulders, both arms or the abdomen. Surely there's plenty of
> arm/elbow contact in the peloton... is it nuts to think that this
> could result in positive testosterone results for an innocent party?
>
> Thanks,
> Al
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Date: 31 Jul 2007 21:42:25
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Testosterone gel and body contact
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basso12306@gmail.com wrote:
> If Landis and Sinkowitz were hugging excessively after Stage 16, last
> year, it would explain this quote,
>
> ""I have never taken any banned substance, including testosterone," he
> said in a statement. "I was the strongest man at the Tour de France,
> and that is why I am the champion." (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/
> 14059185/)
>
> Says NOTHING about body contact.
>
>
>> According to the same article, the correct way to apply it is over
>> both shoulders, both arms or the abdomen. Surely there's plenty of
>> arm/elbow contact in the peloton... is it nuts to think that this
>> could result in positive testosterone results for an innocent party?
>>
Wow -- a "golden handshake" after the stage?
A gel-impregnated lion?
The plot scenerios are endless.
Dan
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