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Date: 15 Dec 2006 15:03:44
From: Bill C
Subject: Tilford does it again
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http://www.velocityresults.net/results/71/usa-cycling-cyclocross-
Master Men 45-49 119 Starters
16.5K
1 1201 Steve TILFORD Verge/Shimano
Topeka KS 41:00
2 1224 Dennis FARRELL Red Rocks Velo
Littleton CO 42:16
3 1202 Kevin HINES Gear Works / Spin Arts
E. Wareham MA 42:37
4 1205 Karl KIESTER Spike Professional Cycling
Team Denver CO 42:39
5 1210 Gunnar SHOGREN FORT Factory Team
Morgantown WV
Bill C
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 14:39:02
From: jerry in vermont
Subject: Re: Tilford does it again
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On Dec 15, 4:32 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:1166223824.033374.220340@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
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> >http://www.velocityresults.net/results/71/usa-cycling-cyclocross-
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> > Master Men 45-49 119 Starters
> > 16.5K
> > 1 1201 Steve TILFORD Verge/Shimano
> > Topeka KS 41:00
> > 2 1224 Dennis FARRELL Red Rocks Velo
> > Littleton CO 42:16
> > 3 1202 Kevin HINES Gear Works / Spin Arts
> > E. Wareham MA 42:37
> > 4 1205 Karl KIESTER Spike Professional Cycling
> > Team Denver CO 42:39
> > 5 1210 Gunnar SHOGREN FORT Factory Team
> > Morgantown WVA win is a win, (but no offense intended) as a full time rider in the 45-49
> group that should be a given. If he can win in a significantly lower age
> class, then that will be impressive.
How about Paul Curley and several other "A Masters", who have won A
masters races this year, and/or are ranked in the VERGE or Cranks
series in the A masters racing in the Masters B35 plus race on Sunday?
I mean, its great that they are still bike geeks at 50 and all, and
cant get enough races in the weekend, but that doesnt seem right. If
Curley had won 50 plus, wouldnt he have been in the Berry Cup (A race)
sunday? Didnt he do the A race last year in fact? Its a non UCI A
race. He, and all the other Cat 2 masters would never have gotten away
with that at Sterling or any other New England race this year.
I feel weird ragging on a legend like Paul, but seriously, what were
they doing (and it was not just him) in the B race Sunday?
Where are the rules here? Isnt it the Feds job to inform the promoter
of, and later enforce the rules? Anybody can race where ever they want
now or what? How is this different then if Tilford did the B35? Would
that have been allowed to? Maybe k McCormack next year?
Just so I dont sound like such a bitch, the weekend went flawlessly,
the starts and the course handled the field sizes quite nicely, and it
was a very well run event. I do not support field limits anymore now
that I have seen that with the right course, its very possible to run
220 people in a cross race (I think Hell just froze over). I just
question the rules and direction and oversight under which the
promoters ran the event.
Jerry
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 02:27:37
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Tilford does it again
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jerry in vermont wrote:
> How about Paul Curley and several other "A Masters", who have won A
> masters races this year, and/or are ranked in the VERGE or Cranks
> series in the A masters racing in the Masters B35 plus race on Sunday?
>
> I mean, its great that they are still bike geeks at 50 and all, and
> cant get enough races in the weekend, but that doesnt seem right. If
> Curley had won 50 plus, wouldnt he have been in the Berry Cup (A race)
> sunday? Didnt he do the A race last year in fact? Its a non UCI A
> race. He, and all the other Cat 2 masters would never have gotten away
> with that at Sterling or any other New England race this year.
>
> I feel weird ragging on a legend like Paul, but seriously, what were
> they doing (and it was not just him) in the B race Sunday?
>
> Where are the rules here? Isnt it the Feds job to inform the promoter
> of, and later enforce the rules? Anybody can race where ever they want
> now or what? How is this different then if Tilford did the B35? Would
> that have been allowed to? Maybe k McCormack next year?
>
> Just so I dont sound like such a bitch, the weekend went flawlessly,
> the starts and the course handled the field sizes quite nicely, and it
> was a very well run event. I do not support field limits anymore now
> that I have seen that with the right course, its very possible to run
> 220 people in a cross race (I think Hell just froze over). I just
> question the rules and direction and oversight under which the
> promoters ran the event.
Dumbass,
Sunday's race was invitational. The top 20 Elites are in. National
Champions are in. After that... maybe he didn't get invited. They
only started 85. You take a bunch of the top Juniors, maybe you
take a bunch of the top U23s. How many riders have to start before
you take the 5th place 50+?
And who gives a fuck about A Masters racing? Haven't you been here
long enough to know not to bait people with shit like that?
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 23:04:27
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Women's US Cross winning margin
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jerry in vermont wrote:
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> On Dec 15, 4:32 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:1166223824.033374.220340@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
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>>> http://www.velocityresults.net/results/71/usa-cycling-cyclocross-
from:
http://www.velocityresults.net/results/73/usa-cycling-cyclocross
Compton 2 seconds over Gould? That isn't consistent with the reports
I've seen, which would indicate more like 32 seconds.
Dan
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 10:55:59
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Tilford does it again
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On Dec 15, 6:48 pm, "k Fennell" <co_fenne...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
> > Bill C wrote:
> >> Master Men 45-49 119 Starters
> >> 16.5K
> >> 1 1201 Steve TILFORD Verge/Shimano
> >> Topeka KS 41:00
> >> 2 1224 Dennis FARRELL Red Rocks Velo
> >> Littleton CO 42:16
> >> 3 1202 Kevin HINES Gear Works / Spin Arts
> >> E. Wareham MA 42:37
> >> 4 1205 Karl KIESTER Spike Professional Cycling
> >> Team Denver CO 42:39
> >> 5 1210 Gunnar SHOGREN FORT Factory Team
> >> Morgantown WV
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> > A win is a win, (but no offense intended) as a full time rider in the
> > 45-49 group that should be a given. If he can win in a significantly lower
> > age class, then that will be impressive.I agree for this particular cx race, but the guy has gotten some decent
> results lately, even in some UCI events. E.g., a month ago he rode the Tour
> of Southlandhttp://www.tourofsouthland.com/2006/default.aspon a USA geezer
> all-star team and fought to a top-15 gc in some wicked conditions.
>
> btw, Bill C.'s link doesn't have the 50-54 result... what happened in that
> race?
>
> khttp://cofanelli.blogspot.com- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
Ned Overend
Not sure when it got fixed, but I talked to them this morning and
seems all is now good.
Bill C
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 07:50:54
From:
Subject: See his velonews interview? was: Tilford does it again
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Bill C wrote:
> http://www.velocityresults.net/results/71/usa-cycling-cyclocross-
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> Master Men 45-49 119 Starters
> 16.5K
> 1 1201 Steve TILFORD Verge/Shimano
> Topeka KS 41:00
> 2 1224 Dennis FARRELL Red Rocks Velo
> Littleton CO 42:16
> 3 1202 Kevin HINES Gear Works / Spin Arts
> E. Wareham MA 42:37
> 4 1205 Karl KIESTER Spike Professional Cycling
> Team Denver CO 42:39
> 5 1210 Gunnar SHOGREN FORT Factory Team
> Morgantown WV
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> Bill C
Having just read the interview on Velonews.com, I have to ask... did
Tilford ever go to school? He talks like a poorly educated 17 year
old. What a shame a grown man comes across so poorly. I mean like,
you know?
Fred
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 21:11:37
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Tilford does it again
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Bill C wrote:
> http://www.velocityresults.net/results/71/usa-cycling-cyclocross-
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> Master Men 45-49 119 Starters
> 16.5K
> 1 1201 Steve TILFORD Verge/Shimano
WOW!!!!!!!!
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 06:11:23
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Tilford does it again
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"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com > writes:
> Bill C wrote:
> > http://www.velocityresults.net/results/71/usa-cycling-cyclocross-
> >
> > Master Men 45-49 119 Starters
> > 16.5K
> > 1 1201 Steve TILFORD Verge/Shimano
>
>
>
>
> WOW!!!!!!!!
>
musta been a mad scramble too
note the 119 starters
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Le vent à Dos
Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
X-Shakespeare: "To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?" -- Hamlet, III.1
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 15:43:29
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Tilford does it again
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On Dec 15, 6:32 pm, "Carl Sundquist" <carl...@cox.net > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:1166223824.033374.220340@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://www.velocityresults.net/results/71/usa-cycling-cyclocross-
>
> > Master Men 45-49 119 Starters
> > 16.5K
> > 1 1201 Steve TILFORD Verge/Shimano
> > Topeka KS 41:00
> > 2 1224 Dennis FARRELL Red Rocks Velo
> > Littleton CO 42:16
> > 3 1202 Kevin HINES Gear Works / Spin Arts
> > E. Wareham MA 42:37
> > 4 1205 Karl KIESTER Spike Professional Cycling
> > Team Denver CO 42:39
> > 5 1210 Gunnar SHOGREN FORT Factory Team
> > Morgantown WVA win is a win, (but no offense intended) as a full time rider in the 45-49
> group that should be a given. If he can win in a significantly lower age
> class, then that will be impressive.
I'm gonna lead the charge for a hundred new Jersies next year.
Everyone should get one damnit!
I agree that he should win, but you've still got to go do it. He went
by the current rules and got it done. Doesn't always happen.
Bill C
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 17:32:45
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Tilford does it again
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1166223824.033374.220340@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.velocityresults.net/results/71/usa-cycling-cyclocross-
>
> Master Men 45-49 119 Starters
> 16.5K
> 1 1201 Steve TILFORD Verge/Shimano
> Topeka KS 41:00
> 2 1224 Dennis FARRELL Red Rocks Velo
> Littleton CO 42:16
> 3 1202 Kevin HINES Gear Works / Spin Arts
> E. Wareham MA 42:37
> 4 1205 Karl KIESTER Spike Professional Cycling
> Team Denver CO 42:39
> 5 1210 Gunnar SHOGREN FORT Factory Team
> Morgantown WV
>
A win is a win, (but no offense intended) as a full time rider in the 45-49
group that should be a given. If he can win in a significantly lower age
class, then that will be impressive.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 15:48:05
From: Mark Fennell
Subject: Re: Tilford does it again
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Carl Sundquist wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
>> Master Men 45-49 119 Starters
>> 16.5K
>> 1 1201 Steve TILFORD Verge/Shimano
>> Topeka KS 41:00
>> 2 1224 Dennis FARRELL Red Rocks Velo
>> Littleton CO 42:16
>> 3 1202 Kevin HINES Gear Works / Spin Arts
>> E. Wareham MA 42:37
>> 4 1205 Karl KIESTER Spike Professional Cycling
>> Team Denver CO 42:39
>> 5 1210 Gunnar SHOGREN FORT Factory Team
>> Morgantown WV
>
> A win is a win, (but no offense intended) as a full time rider in the
> 45-49 group that should be a given. If he can win in a significantly lower
> age class, then that will be impressive.
I agree for this particular cx race, but the guy has gotten some decent
results lately, even in some UCI events. E.g., a month ago he rode the Tour
of Southland http://www.tourofsouthland.com/2006/default.asp on a USA geezer
all-star team and fought to a top-15 gc in some wicked conditions.
btw, Bill C.'s link doesn't have the 50-54 result... what happened in that
race?
k
http://cofanelli.blogspot.com
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