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Date: 13 Dec 2006 17:08:52
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Subject: Tough shit, Floyd.
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=3Dnews/2006/dec06/dec11news2
Landis considers cost of defence
Floyd Landis
Photo =A9: Rebecca Anderson
Floyd Landis and his lawyer, Howard Jacobs, are waiting to present
their case regarding Landis' postive doping result in the 2006 Tour in
an USADA arbitration hearing, expected for early 2007. If found guilty,
Landis will face a minimum two-year ban from cycling and be stripped of
his 2006 Tour de France victory. Since July, the 31 year-old American
has had to deal with the stress of legal battles and losing a family
member.
In an interview with England's The Mail on Sunday, Landis reported his
defence has already cost him $150,000 and he is losing optimism. "The
sport doesn't want me to win and it's going to be very difficult to do
so," he said to the newspaper. "Even if I do, people will believe I've
got off on a technicality. I want people to understand the true,
scientific reasons behind my innocence, not a technicality.
"If I lost, I'm not sure I could carry on. I wasn't the highest-paid
cyclist and it's looking like this might cost me $500,000. I think the
authorities know I'll run out of money. They've said they'll appeal if
they lose the hearing and that might take another year. ... If I'm
banned for four years and stripped of my title and prize-money, I'll
never race again. My desire for it would have been obliterated."
Landis gave the Tour de France an unwanted scandal when it was found,
post-Tour, that he had tested with a high Testosterone/Epitestosterone
ratio. The result effectively ended Phonak's involvement in the sport
of cycling, put riders and staff out of a job and has thrown Landis
into legal battles to try to retain his Tour title.
David Witt, Landis' father-in-law and close friend, shot himself dead
in a San Diego, California car parking lot shortly after the Tour.
Witt's family refuse that the suicide had anything to do with Landis'
positive result, but the rider is not ruling it out.
"I don't know why he did it," Landis said in the interview. "But I'd be
deluding myself if I thought the dope case did not play a big part in
his stress. He was a good friend long before he became my
father-in-law. We used to cycle together... He was on the
Champs-Elysees the day I won the Tour and he was at the victory party.
"I didn't talk to him the week before he died. I feel really bad about
that but I was completely consumed by the accusations levelled against
me. Maybe, if I had, he would have said something about how he felt.
Now it's too late and we'll never know why. It's been the toughest few
months of my life. One moment I've realised a lifelong dream in Paris,
the next I've become one of the biggest doping stories of all time. But
if it's been hard for me, it's been a great deal harder for my family."
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 08:19:00
From: excel_sports@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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You'd think! I think the whole process is pretty screwed. Guilt or
not, the guy isn't getting a fair trial and will fair much worse than a
real doper like Hamilton...at least we must assume so because they told
us he was guilty.
CH
RicodJour wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
> > On Dec 13, 8:08 pm, dupedcycl...@aol.com wrote:
> > > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/dec06/dec11news2
> > >
> >
> > Yep fuck those who don't have the money to fight corporations or
> > governments that have deep pockets. If the cocksuckers can't keep
> > paying for the lawyers they're guilty as shit and should be screwed!
> > Fuck the little guy, they contribute NOTHING! Make those little
> > bastards give up by bankrupting the pricks who dare challenge the
> > powersd that be!
>
> The prevailing party should be able to recoup their legal expenditures.
> That should fix a lot of things right there.
>
> R
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 16:41:59
From: B. Lafferty
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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<excel_sports@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1166372340.088482.300480@j72g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> You'd think! I think the whole process is pretty screwed. Guilt or
> not, the guy isn't getting a fair trial
There hasn't been a hearing yet.
and will fair much worse than a
> real doper like Hamilton...at least we must assume so because they told
> us he was guilty.
>
> CH
>
>
>
> RicodJour wrote:
>> Bill C wrote:
>> > On Dec 13, 8:08 pm, dupedcycl...@aol.com wrote:
>> > > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/dec06/dec11news2
>> > >
>> >
>> > Yep fuck those who don't have the money to fight corporations or
>> > governments that have deep pockets. If the cocksuckers can't keep
>> > paying for the lawyers they're guilty as shit and should be screwed!
>> > Fuck the little guy, they contribute NOTHING! Make those little
>> > bastards give up by bankrupting the pricks who dare challenge the
>> > powersd that be!
>>
>> The prevailing party should be able to recoup their legal expenditures.
>> That should fix a lot of things right there.
>>
>> R
>
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 08:06:10
From:
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/11346.0.html
Landis concedes career may be over
By Agence France Presse
This report filed December 16, 2006
American Floyd Landis, who is expected to be stripped of the Tour de
France yellow jersey for testing positive after this year's race, said
Saturday his cycling career may be practically over.
Landis won the race in spectacular fashion this year to succeed his
now-retired compatriot Lance Armstrong, the iconic seven-time winner of
the world's biggest bike race.
However days after his triumph it emerged that Landis had tested
positive for the banned male sex hormone testosterone after his
spectacular victory on stage 17, which resurrected his bid for the
yellow jersey.
Landis, who grew up in a strict Mennonite Christian community in
Pennsylvania, has always protested his innocence. And while weighing up
his future, he told the Belgian press that even if he
is cleared by an American arbitration body early in the new year, he
will likely miss the coming season.
"There's a minute chance of me racing again in 2007," the 31-year-old
is reported as saying in Belgian dailies Het Laatste Nieuws and Het
Gazet van Antwerpen. "Even if I'm not suspended, who will want to sign
me?"
Landis's positive test prompted his former team, Phonak, to pull out of
cycling. Their place in cycling's Pro Tour series was on Friday awarded
to Swedish-Belgian outfit Unibet.
"And if they suspend me for two or four years - a humiliation which I
hope doesn't happen - it's over for me." he added. "As things stand
now, I don't see myself as a bike racer."
Landis has claimed that inconsistencies by the French laboratory which
analyzed his samples led to his positive result.
And he claims he is now fighting for his personal reputation, and not
just his career.
"I've never taken testosterone, I would have been stupid to because you
just can't get away with it (in doping tests)," he said. "What it comes
down to is that I'm being accused of stupidity more than
doping."
If found guilty, Landis would be the first rider in the modern era to
be stripped of the Tour de France's yellow jersey. In the event, it
will be handed to his former teammate Oscar Pereiro of Spain.
"Even if I'm proved innocent, my reputation is ruined," he lamented.
Ahead of the festive season, Landis - whose father-in-law committed
suicide, in still unclear circumstances, not long after the news of his
positive test became public - said he wants a simple wish for
Christmas.
"To have a day without any worries," he said. "This whole affair has
ruined my life. My father-in-law committed suicide. There must be a
link to what happened.
He was my best friend and my biggest supporter."
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Date: 17 Dec 2006 17:00:07
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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dupedcyclist@aol.com writes:
> http://www.velonews.com/news/fea/11346.0.html
>
>
> Landis concedes career may be over
> By Agence France Presse
> This report filed December 16, 2006
> American Floyd Landis, who is expected to be stripped of the Tour de
> France yellow jersey for testing positive after this year's race, said
> Saturday his cycling career may be practically over.
>
> Landis won the race in spectacular fashion this year to succeed his
> now-retired compatriot Lance Armstrong, the iconic seven-time winner of
> the world's biggest bike race.
>
> However days after his triumph it emerged that Landis had tested
> positive for the banned male sex hormone testosterone after his
> spectacular victory on stage 17, which resurrected his bid for the
> yellow jersey.
>
> Landis, who grew up in a strict Mennonite Christian community in
> Pennsylvania, has always protested his innocence. And while weighing up
> his future, he told the Belgian press that even if he
>
> is cleared by an American arbitration body early in the new year, he
> will likely miss the coming season.
>
> "There's a minute chance of me racing again in 2007," the 31-year-old
> is reported as saying in Belgian dailies Het Laatste Nieuws and Het
> Gazet van Antwerpen. "Even if I'm not suspended, who will want to sign
> me?"
>
> Landis's positive test prompted his former team, Phonak, to pull out of
> cycling. Their place in cycling's Pro Tour series was on Friday awarded
> to Swedish-Belgian outfit Unibet.
>
> "And if they suspend me for two or four years - a humiliation which I
> hope doesn't happen - it's over for me." he added. "As things stand
> now, I don't see myself as a bike racer."
>
> Landis has claimed that inconsistencies by the French laboratory which
> analyzed his samples led to his positive result.
>
> And he claims he is now fighting for his personal reputation, and not
> just his career.
>
> "I've never taken testosterone, I would have been stupid to because you
> just can't get away with it (in doping tests)," he said. "What it comes
> down to is that I'm being accused of stupidity more than
>
> doping."
>
> If found guilty, Landis would be the first rider in the modern era to
> be stripped of the Tour de France's yellow jersey. In the event, it
> will be handed to his former teammate Oscar Pereiro of Spain.
>
> "Even if I'm proved innocent, my reputation is ruined," he lamented.
>
> Ahead of the festive season, Landis - whose father-in-law committed
> suicide, in still unclear circumstances, not long after the news of his
> positive test became public - said he wants a simple wish for
> Christmas.
>
> "To have a day without any worries," he said. "This whole affair has
> ruined my life. My father-in-law committed suicide. There must be a
> link to what happened.
>
> He was my best friend and my biggest supporter."
>
Davey makes a mental note to send Floyd a Crying Towel for Christmas
--
Le vent à Dos
Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
X-Shakespeare: "Reputation is an idle and most false imposition,
oft got without merit and lost without deserving."
-- Othello, II.3
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 06:33:56
From:
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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Kyle Legate wrote:
> fred.garvin@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Kyle Legate wrote:
> >> Mike Yankee wrote:
> >>>> No. Fuck the thief who puts apatch on his ball sack to help steal $4 Million US Dollars.
> >>> The biggest problem with this whole controversy is that pre-stage
> >>> testosterone doping is totally illogical -- about as efficacious as
> >>> giving someone a cholesterol-lowering drug in the middle of a heart
> >>> attack, it's been said.
> >>>
> >> That's not what the pros who have talked about testosterone use have
> >> said. They claim it gives an immediate boost.
> >
> > Can you say 'placebo effect'? I knew that you could.
> >
> > My apologies to Mr. Rogers. Couldn't help it.
> >
> > Here's the deal, just 'cause some pro cyclist who's the equivelant of a
> > GED-hopeful says it works, doesn't mean it works. There's no
> > scientific basis to assume it works as described and the vast majority
> > of users don't claim it works in the short term, regardless of what a
> > handful of pro cyclists say.
> >
> It doesn't matter if it doesn't work as described, as long as the rider
> thinks it works.
Right, a guy can will himself to average over 350W for 7 hours just
'cause he THINKS the T-patch on his nut sack is working. Let's not get
too carried away in crediting the placebo effect with Floyd's epic
ride.
Fred
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 20:23:24
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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fred.garvin@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Right, a guy can will himself to average over 350W for 7 hours just
> 'cause he THINKS the T-patch on his nut sack is working. Let's not get
> too carried away in crediting the placebo effect with Floyd's epic
> ride.
>
No, that was the testosterone talking.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 15:15:26
From:
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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Kyle Legate wrote:
> Mike Yankee wrote:
> >> No. Fuck the thief who puts apatch on his ball sack to help steal $4 Million US Dollars.
> >
> > The biggest problem with this whole controversy is that pre-stage
> > testosterone doping is totally illogical -- about as efficacious as
> > giving someone a cholesterol-lowering drug in the middle of a heart
> > attack, it's been said.
> >
>
> That's not what the pros who have talked about testosterone use have
> said. They claim it gives an immediate boost.
Can you say 'placebo effect'? I knew that you could.
My apologies to Mr. Rogers. Couldn't help it.
Here's the deal, just 'cause some pro cyclist who's the equivelant of a
GED-hopeful says it works, doesn't mean it works. There's no
scientific basis to assume it works as described and the vast majority
of users don't claim it works in the short term, regardless of what a
handful of pro cyclists say.
Fred
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 09:14:32
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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fred.garvin@yahoo.com wrote:
> Kyle Legate wrote:
>> Mike Yankee wrote:
>>>> No. Fuck the thief who puts apatch on his ball sack to help steal $4 Million US Dollars.
>>> The biggest problem with this whole controversy is that pre-stage
>>> testosterone doping is totally illogical -- about as efficacious as
>>> giving someone a cholesterol-lowering drug in the middle of a heart
>>> attack, it's been said.
>>>
>> That's not what the pros who have talked about testosterone use have
>> said. They claim it gives an immediate boost.
>
> Can you say 'placebo effect'? I knew that you could.
>
> My apologies to Mr. Rogers. Couldn't help it.
>
> Here's the deal, just 'cause some pro cyclist who's the equivelant of a
> GED-hopeful says it works, doesn't mean it works. There's no
> scientific basis to assume it works as described and the vast majority
> of users don't claim it works in the short term, regardless of what a
> handful of pro cyclists say.
>
It doesn't matter if it doesn't work as described, as long as the rider
thinks it works.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 12:33:26
From: Mike Yankee
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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>No. Fuck the thief who puts apatch on his ball sack to help steal $4 Million US Dollars.
The biggest problem with this whole controversy is that pre-stage
testosterone doping is totally illogical -- about as efficacious as
giving someone a cholesterol-lowering drug in the middle of a heart
attack, it's been said. Long-term testosterone doping could give the
user an unfair advantage but (to my knowledge) is not supported by lab
tests and has not even been alleged in the Landis affair.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 23:33:37
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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Mike Yankee wrote:
>> No. Fuck the thief who puts apatch on his ball sack to help steal $4 Million US Dollars.
>
> The biggest problem with this whole controversy is that pre-stage
> testosterone doping is totally illogical -- about as efficacious as
> giving someone a cholesterol-lowering drug in the middle of a heart
> attack, it's been said.
>
That's not what the pros who have talked about testosterone use have
said. They claim it gives an immediate boost.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 11:27:33
From: TomYoung
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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dupedcyclist@aol.com wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/dec06/dec11news2
> [copy of article detailing the travails of Floyd Landis and his possible ruination snipped]
As I've said before, rbr priily exists to provide textbook examples
of schadenfreude by little people.
Tom Young
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 12:29:20
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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TomYoung wrote:
> dupedcyclist@aol.com wrote:
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/dec06/dec11news2
>
>> [copy of article detailing the travails of Floyd Landis and his possible ruination snipped]
>
> As I've said before, rbr priily exists to provide textbook examples
> of schadenfreude by little people.
>
> Tom Young
>
That must be one BIG fucking textbook!
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 08:03:59
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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dupedcyclist@aol.com writes:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/dec06/dec11news2
>
> Landis considers cost of defence
> Floyd Landis
> Photo ©: Rebecca Anderson
> Floyd Landis and his lawyer, Howard Jacobs, are waiting to present
> their case regarding Landis' postive doping result in the 2006 Tour in
> an USADA arbitration hearing, expected for early 2007. If found guilty,
> Landis will face a minimum two-year ban from cycling and be stripped of
> his 2006 Tour de France victory. Since July, the 31 year-old American
> has had to deal with the stress of legal battles and losing a family
> member.
>
> In an interview with England's The Mail on Sunday, Landis reported his
> defence has already cost him $150,000 and he is losing optimism. "The
> sport doesn't want me to win and it's going to be very difficult to do
> so," he said to the newspaper. "Even if I do, people will believe I've
> got off on a technicality. I want people to understand the true,
> scientific reasons behind my innocence, not a technicality.
>
> "If I lost, I'm not sure I could carry on. I wasn't the highest-paid
> cyclist and it's looking like this might cost me $500,000. I think the
> authorities know I'll run out of money. They've said they'll appeal if
> they lose the hearing and that might take another year. ... If I'm
> banned for four years and stripped of my title and prize-money, I'll
> never race again. My desire for it would have been obliterated."
>
> Landis gave the Tour de France an unwanted scandal when it was found,
> post-Tour, that he had tested with a high Testosterone/Epitestosterone
> ratio. The result effectively ended Phonak's involvement in the sport
> of cycling, put riders and staff out of a job and has thrown Landis
> into legal battles to try to retain his Tour title.
>
> David Witt, Landis' father-in-law and close friend, shot himself dead
> in a San Diego, California car parking lot shortly after the Tour.
> Witt's family refuse that the suicide had anything to do with Landis'
> positive result, but the rider is not ruling it out.
>
> "I don't know why he did it," Landis said in the interview. "But I'd be
> deluding myself if I thought the dope case did not play a big part in
> his stress. He was a good friend long before he became my
> father-in-law. We used to cycle together... He was on the
> Champs-Elysees the day I won the Tour and he was at the victory party.
>
> "I didn't talk to him the week before he died. I feel really bad about
> that but I was completely consumed by the accusations levelled against
> me. Maybe, if I had, he would have said something about how he felt.
> Now it's too late and we'll never know why. It's been the toughest few
> months of my life. One moment I've realised a lifelong dream in Paris,
> the next I've become one of the biggest doping stories of all time. But
> if it's been hard for me, it's been a great deal harder for my family."
>
Davey strains his ears
Yes sir, Davey faintly hears the strains of the opening bars of the
final Aria....................
"Se Una Pudica Vergineine................"
http://azurservers.com/flag/final.html
--
Le vent à Dos
Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
X-Shakespeare: "That man that hath a tongue, I say, is no man,
If with his tongue he cannot win a woman."
-- The Two Gentlemen of Verona, III.1.105-6
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 17:32:30
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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Bill C wrote:
> On Dec 13, 8:08 pm, dupedcycl...@aol.com wrote:
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/dec06/dec11news2
> >
>
> Yep fuck those who don't have the money to fight corporations or
> governments that have deep pockets. If the cocksuckers can't keep
> paying for the lawyers they're guilty as shit and should be screwed!
> Fuck the little guy, they contribute NOTHING! Make those little
> bastards give up by bankrupting the pricks who dare challenge the
> powersd that be!
The prevailing party should be able to recoup their legal expenditures.
That should fix a lot of things right there.
R
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 17:30:58
From: Burt
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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dupedcycl...@aol.com wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
> > On Dec 13, 8:08 pm, dupedcycl...@aol.com wrote:
> > > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/dec06/dec11news2
> > >
> >
> > Yep fuck those who don't have the money to fight corporations or
> > governments that have deep pockets. If the cocksuckers can't keep
> > paying for the lawyers they're guilty as shit and should be screwed!
> > Fuck the little guy, they contribute NOTHING! Make those little
> > bastards give up by bankrupting the pricks who dare challenge the
> > powersd that be!
> > Bill C
>
> No. Fuck the thief who puts apatch on his ball sack to help steal $4
> Million US Dollars.
Retard,
Do you know anything about the validation of analytical methods or good
laboratory practice?
Every think about applying for a job at WADA?
Thanks,
Burt
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 11:20:56
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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Burt wrote:
> Retard,
>
> Do you know anything about the validation of analytical methods or good
> laboratory practice?
>
> Every think about applying for a job at WADA?
He'd get the job. Being a retard is a requirement.
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 17:25:34
From:
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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Bill C wrote:
> On Dec 13, 8:08 pm, dupedcycl...@aol.com wrote:
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/dec06/dec11news2
> >
>
> Yep fuck those who don't have the money to fight corporations or
> governments that have deep pockets. If the cocksuckers can't keep
> paying for the lawyers they're guilty as shit and should be screwed!
> Fuck the little guy, they contribute NOTHING! Make those little
> bastards give up by bankrupting the pricks who dare challenge the
> powersd that be!
> Bill C
No. Fuck the thief who puts apatch on his ball sack to help steal $4
Million US Dollars.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 06:54:43
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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>> Yep fuck those who don't have the money to fight corporations or
>> governments that have deep pockets. If the cocksuckers can't keep
>> paying for the lawyers they're guilty as shit and should be screwed!
>> Fuck the little guy, they contribute NOTHING! Make those little
>> bastards give up by bankrupting the pricks who dare challenge the
>> powersd that be!
>> Bill C
>
> No. Fuck the thief who puts apatch on his ball sack to help steal $4
> Million US Dollars.
Or the dweebs who run a lab without adequate security for their computer
systems. Geez, nobody's EVER heard of students breaking in to change grades,
have they? And now we have a lab that has apparently been close to wide-open
to the outside world. So not only do we have concerns about what lab
employees are doing, we now have to consider what others outside might have
been able to do as well, by manipulating data.
This whole thing is one huge joke that I'd like to think will just blow up
and go away. Of course it won't, because the people who refuse to accept the
idea that the lab might have screwed up, or the tests simply not good
enough... those people are in far too deep to step back and say they may
have goofed and still have a chance to maintain their power. And power is
really what this is all about.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 10:51:32
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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On Thu, 14 Dec 2006 06:54:43 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com >
wrote:
>>> Yep fuck those who don't have the money to fight corporations or
>>> governments that have deep pockets. If the cocksuckers can't keep
>>> paying for the lawyers they're guilty as shit and should be screwed!
>>> Fuck the little guy, they contribute NOTHING! Make those little
>>> bastards give up by bankrupting the pricks who dare challenge the
>>> powersd that be!
>>> Bill C
>>
>> No. Fuck the thief who puts apatch on his ball sack to help steal $4
>> Million US Dollars.
>
>Or the dweebs who run a lab without adequate security for their computer
>systems. Geez, nobody's EVER heard of students breaking in to change grades,
>have they? And now we have a lab that has apparently been close to wide-open
>to the outside world. So not only do we have concerns about what lab
>employees are doing, we now have to consider what others outside might have
>been able to do as well, by manipulating data.
>
>This whole thing is one huge joke that I'd like to think will just blow up
>and go away. Of course it won't, because the people who refuse to accept the
>idea that the lab might have screwed up, or the tests simply not good
>enough... those people are in far too deep to step back and say they may
>have goofed and still have a chance to maintain their power.
That is what is wrong with the leaks. Once there was rumor and premature
announcement of results, every one of those assholes feels obliged to stick to
the official story.
> And power is really what this is all about.
Yep.
Ron
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Date: 13 Dec 2006 17:17:58
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Tough shit, Floyd.
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On Dec 13, 8:08 pm, dupedcycl...@aol.com wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/dec06/dec11news2
>
Yep fuck those who don't have the money to fight corporations or
governments that have deep pockets. If the cocksuckers can't keep
paying for the lawyers they're guilty as shit and should be screwed!
Fuck the little guy, they contribute NOTHING! Make those little
bastards give up by bankrupting the pricks who dare challenge the
powersd that be!
Bill C
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