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Date: 19 Jul 2007 20:26:34
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Subject: Tour impressions
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1. When Christophe Moreau attacked in the first Alps stage, I'm sure
he was thinking: "Hey, this worked in the Dauphine, why isn't it
working now?"
2. Sarkozy stated that he first followed the Tour in 1969 when it was
between van Springel and Janssen. When Jalabert asked him if he was
going to ride up the Galibier, he said no, because it takes 2500 km of
training to ride up the Galibier, and he hadn't ridden at all this
year. This gives a good idea of how incoherent he seemed, pretty
similar to his drunk G8 speech.
3. When replaying the incident with a dog crossing the road, France TV
commentator Thierry Adam stated that the public is invited to watch
the Tour, but please don't bring your dog. He did not mention that the
dog was not on a leash and since this is completely illegal in France,
it was entirely the owner's fault. Nor did he mention that dogs on a
leash would not pose a threat to the riders. When asked how the wheel
could fold like that, Fignon stated that he did not know which brand
it was. He obviously hadn't read the Cycling News feature on Telekom
wheels that day http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/tech/?id=/tech/2007/features/tour_tech_607
It seems clear from this that Fignon has not been following cycling
very closely and is basically taking the coverage as a vacation.
4. Fignon stated that he now weighed 90kg. Lemond said that he had
gained 25kg (but muscle, not fat). Apparently they weigh about the
same now.
5. When Gerard Holz was discussing German public TV pulling the Tour
coverage, he stated that it was due to doping around Team Telekom,
including the confessions of Riis and Zabel, and Ullrich being found
guilty of doping.
6. When discussing SInkewitz's positive test for testosterone, not a
single person brought up the fact that positive testosterone test are
often successfully contested, and that the accuracy of the test is not
universally recognised, as is shown by the fact that the Landis case
is still open, a year later. I'm sure that if anyone stated this, they
would never be invited again (though in France, you are never
interrupted during an interview for stating your opinion).
7. The only time I saw Thevenet on television was on a prime time
special devoted to the Tour. As usual, he was modest and precise. He
stated that his victory over Merckx was more spectacular because he
was a climber, so you could physically see him catch up and pass his
rival, as opposed to winning in a time trial, and that it was done in
an already legendary setting in the mountains.
8. When the last Tour commentator, Henri Sannier, was not continued in
this capacity, he gave an interview stating that the management must
be blind or deaf, and he was excused from any role in this year's
Tour. He is an avid cyclist and organises a cyclo. On the France TV
forum, there were many requests to put him back on the air.
9. France TV recalled Laurent Brochard's glorious July 14, 1997 win,
despite his subsequent doping conviction and Riis and Zabel's 1996
jersey removal this year.
10. Not one word about Armstrong or Landis in the French coverage.
-ilan
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 14:37:10
From:
Subject: Re: Tour impressions
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On Jul 19, 6:05 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl > wrote:
> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1184876794.129796.145480@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > 1. When Christophe Moreau attacked in the first Alps stage, I'm sure
> > he was thinking: "Hey, this worked in the Dauphine, why isn't it
> > working now?"
>
> > 2. Sarkozy stated that he first followed the Tour in 1969 when it was
> > between van Springel and Janssen. When Jalabert asked him if he was
> > going to ride up the Galibier, he said no, because it takes 2500 km of
> > training to ride up the Galibier, and he hadn't ridden at all this
> > year. This gives a good idea of how incoherent he seemed, pretty
> > similar to his drunk G8 speech.
>
> Janssen en van Springel 1969? Shocking. He must have been dead drunk. Of
> course, it was 1968, a year a french president shouldn't forget.
>
> Benjo
Also, you would think that, being at the Tour and knowing he would be
interviewed, that he could have asked
anyone of 1000 people at the Tour, which year that was, before he was
interviewed. He also repeated
this statement, but saying 1968 or 1969, when interviewed after the
stage, so probably no one in his
entourage had the courage to correct him. Apparently, he never drinks
but likes his tranquilisers.
-ilan
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 19:41:06
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Tour impressions
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On Jul 20, 12:01 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <1184876794.129796.145...@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
>
> ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks for the update, neat to see the Gallic perspective.
>
> > 3. When replaying the incident with a dog crossing the road, France TV
> > commentator Thierry Adam stated that the public is invited to watch
> > the Tour, but please don't bring your dog. He did not mention that the
> > dog was not on a leash and since this is completely illegal in France,
> > it was entirely the owner's fault. Nor did he mention that dogs on a
> > leash would not pose a threat to the riders. When asked how the wheel
> > could fold like that, Fignon stated that he did not know which brand
> > it was. He obviously hadn't read the Cycling News feature on Telekom
> > wheels that day
> >http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/tech/?id=/tech/2007/featu...
> > It seems clear from this that Fignon has not been following cycling
> > very closely and is basically taking the coverage as a vacation.
>
> I haven't seen anyone yet mention that in the video, the wheel appears
> to stay intact as it hits the dog (which doesn't seem to happen at any
> speed). What kills it is that impact turns it completely sideways and it
> lifts off the ground at the same time. When it comes back down, what
> folds it is that the tire grips, and now there's 150 pounds times
> whatever the speed of the bike and rider is pushing the wheel sideways,
> effectively caught between the hub and the road.
>
> I would not be surprised to any wheel, even a 36-spoke metal one built
> by Jobst himself, fail in that circumstance.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.cahttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
> to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
I haven't seen anyone yet mention that in the video, the wheel
appears
to stay intact as it hits the dog (which doesn't seem to happen at
any
speed). What kills it is that impact ....
were yawl watching the morning broadcast? In the morning broadcast
seen here, bicycle wheel travels to and impacts dog at low speed-6 mph-
and collapses on impact WITH THE dog and causing my brain to go whir
whir click click at the fragility.
Mishap highlights rebroadcast the incident showing it at speed or WTHK
at their own chosen speed, with the dog seriuozly impacted.
is it possible the continuous fooling with digital video going on here
is done for example with cancellera's crash speed? that is did
Cancellera for example stub his front wheel or lose centrifigaul force
on a low speed corner thru tactical misjudgment-inverse relationship
between risk and time gained there? the digital editing warps the
viewer's perspective. There's no journalistic integrity: "now folks
here's that play again in slo-stop motion."
Does the broadcaster/team expect more of us as euro viewers or do they
shove whatever down are throats cause we're euro stupid?
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 09:42:48
From: tony
Subject: Re: Tour impressions
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On Jul 20, 8:58 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:52:39 +0200, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>4. Fignon stated that he now weighed 90kg. Lemond said that he had
> >>>gained 25kg (but muscle, not fat). Apparently they weigh about the
> >>>same now.
>
> >RonSonic wrote:
> >> Steel Cage Geezer Grudge Match to the DEATH!!!
> >> Ben Hur Hubs and spikes on the frame pump!
> >> They start 8 seconds apart.
>
> >I was thinking WWF.
>
> sorta like that but on a velodrome ... surrounded by concertina wire.
>
> Ron
"Get off the wall, Moonpie!"- Jonathan E.
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 04:01:38
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Tour impressions
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In article <1184876794.129796.145480@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com >,
ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the update, neat to see the Gallic perspective.
> 3. When replaying the incident with a dog crossing the road, France TV
> commentator Thierry Adam stated that the public is invited to watch
> the Tour, but please don't bring your dog. He did not mention that the
> dog was not on a leash and since this is completely illegal in France,
> it was entirely the owner's fault. Nor did he mention that dogs on a
> leash would not pose a threat to the riders. When asked how the wheel
> could fold like that, Fignon stated that he did not know which brand
> it was. He obviously hadn't read the Cycling News feature on Telekom
> wheels that day
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/tech/?id=/tech/2007/features/tour_tech_607
> It seems clear from this that Fignon has not been following cycling
> very closely and is basically taking the coverage as a vacation.
I haven't seen anyone yet mention that in the video, the wheel appears
to stay intact as it hits the dog (which doesn't seem to happen at any
speed). What kills it is that impact turns it completely sideways and it
lifts off the ground at the same time. When it comes back down, what
folds it is that the tire grips, and now there's 150 pounds times
whatever the speed of the bike and rider is pushing the wheel sideways,
effectively caught between the hub and the road.
I would not be surprised to any wheel, even a 36-spoke metal one built
by Jobst himself, fail in that circumstance.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 08:02:26
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Tour impressions
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In article <rcousine-A6749A.21013719072007@news.telus.net >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <1184876794.129796.145480@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
> ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Thanks for the update, neat to see the Gallic perspective.
>
> > 3. When replaying the incident with a dog crossing the road, France TV
> > commentator Thierry Adam stated that the public is invited to watch
> > the Tour, but please don't bring your dog. He did not mention that the
> > dog was not on a leash and since this is completely illegal in France,
> > it was entirely the owner's fault. Nor did he mention that dogs on a
> > leash would not pose a threat to the riders. When asked how the wheel
> > could fold like that, Fignon stated that he did not know which brand
> > it was. He obviously hadn't read the Cycling News feature on Telekom
> > wheels that day
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/tech/?id=/tech/2007/features/tou
> > r_tech_607
> > It seems clear from this that Fignon has not been following cycling
> > very closely and is basically taking the coverage as a vacation.
>
> I haven't seen anyone yet mention that in the video, the wheel appears
> to stay intact as it hits the dog (which doesn't seem to happen at any
> speed). What kills it is that impact turns it completely sideways and it
> lifts off the ground at the same time. When it comes back down, what
> folds it is that the tire grips, and now there's 150 pounds times
> whatever the speed of the bike and rider is pushing the wheel sideways,
> effectively caught between the hub and the road.
>
> I would not be surprised to any wheel, even a 36-spoke metal one built
> by Jobst himself, fail in that circumstance.
Before anyone else replies, I'd like to say I rewatched the video, and
can't understand why I think the wheel leaves the ground. It doesn't
appear to until after it folds.
But I stand by my theory that it folded over due to trying to go
completely sideways with the full force of bike and rider (admittedly,
at about 2 mph).
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 20:09:02
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Tour impressions
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:26:34 -0000, ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
>1. When Christophe Moreau attacked in the first Alps stage, I'm sure
>he was thinking: "Hey, this worked in the Dauphine, why isn't it
>working now?"
>
>2. Sarkozy stated that he first followed the Tour in 1969 when it was
>between van Springel and Janssen. When Jalabert asked him if he was
>going to ride up the Galibier, he said no, because it takes 2500 km of
>training to ride up the Galibier, and he hadn't ridden at all this
>year. This gives a good idea of how incoherent he seemed, pretty
>similar to his drunk G8 speech.
>
>3. When replaying the incident with a dog crossing the road, France TV
>commentator Thierry Adam stated that the public is invited to watch
>the Tour, but please don't bring your dog. He did not mention that the
>dog was not on a leash and since this is completely illegal in France,
>it was entirely the owner's fault. Nor did he mention that dogs on a
>leash would not pose a threat to the riders. When asked how the wheel
>could fold like that, Fignon stated that he did not know which brand
>it was. He obviously hadn't read the Cycling News feature on Telekom
>wheels that day http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/tech/?id=/tech/2007/features/tour_tech_607
>It seems clear from this that Fignon has not been following cycling
>very closely and is basically taking the coverage as a vacation.
>
>4. Fignon stated that he now weighed 90kg. Lemond said that he had
>gained 25kg (but muscle, not fat). Apparently they weigh about the
>same now.
Steel Cage Geezer Grudge Match to the DEATH!!!
Ben Hur Hubs and spikes on the frame pump!
They start 8 seconds apart.
>5. When Gerard Holz was discussing German public TV pulling the Tour
>coverage, he stated that it was due to doping around Team Telekom,
>including the confessions of Riis and Zabel, and Ullrich being found
>guilty of doping.
When an actress goes to rehab do they take her movies off the screen.
>6. When discussing SInkewitz's positive test for testosterone, not a
>single person brought up the fact that positive testosterone test are
>often successfully contested, and that the accuracy of the test is not
>universally recognised, as is shown by the fact that the Landis case
>is still open, a year later. I'm sure that if anyone stated this, they
>would never be invited again (though in France, you are never
>interrupted during an interview for stating your opinion).
We can hope that Floyd and his lawyers have raised the bar on testing standards,
adherence to lab protocol and administrative procedures including
confidentiality.
>7. The only time I saw Thevenet on television was on a prime time
>special devoted to the Tour. As usual, he was modest and precise. He
>stated that his victory over Merckx was more spectacular because he
>was a climber, so you could physically see him catch up and pass his
>rival, as opposed to winning in a time trial, and that it was done in
>an already legendary setting in the mountains.
Beating Merckx is always spectacular.
>8. When the last Tour commentator, Henri Sannier, was not continued in
>this capacity, he gave an interview stating that the management must
>be blind or deaf, and he was excused from any role in this year's
>Tour. He is an avid cyclist and organises a cyclo. On the France TV
>forum, there were many requests to put him back on the air.
>
>9. France TV recalled Laurent Brochard's glorious July 14, 1997 win,
>despite his subsequent doping conviction and Riis and Zabel's 1996
>jersey removal this year.
>
>10. Not one word about Armstrong or Landis in the French coverage.
Fancy that.
>-ilan
Thanks for the update.
Ron
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 09:52:39
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Tour impressions
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ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
>>4. Fignon stated that he now weighed 90kg. Lemond said that he had
>>gained 25kg (but muscle, not fat). Apparently they weigh about the
>>same now.
RonSonic wrote:
> Steel Cage Geezer Grudge Match to the DEATH!!!
> Ben Hur Hubs and spikes on the frame pump!
> They start 8 seconds apart.
I was thinking WWF.
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 08:58:10
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Tour impressions
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:52:39 +0200, Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
>>>4. Fignon stated that he now weighed 90kg. Lemond said that he had
>>>gained 25kg (but muscle, not fat). Apparently they weigh about the
>>>same now.
>
>RonSonic wrote:
>> Steel Cage Geezer Grudge Match to the DEATH!!!
>> Ben Hur Hubs and spikes on the frame pump!
>> They start 8 seconds apart.
>
>I was thinking WWF.
sorta like that but on a velodrome ... surrounded by concertina wire.
Ron
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 00:05:05
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Tour impressions
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<ilanpsi@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1184876794.129796.145480@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> 1. When Christophe Moreau attacked in the first Alps stage, I'm sure
> he was thinking: "Hey, this worked in the Dauphine, why isn't it
> working now?"
>
> 2. Sarkozy stated that he first followed the Tour in 1969 when it was
> between van Springel and Janssen. When Jalabert asked him if he was
> going to ride up the Galibier, he said no, because it takes 2500 km of
> training to ride up the Galibier, and he hadn't ridden at all this
> year. This gives a good idea of how incoherent he seemed, pretty
> similar to his drunk G8 speech.
Janssen en van Springel 1969? Shocking. He must have been dead drunk. Of
course, it was 1968, a year a french president shouldn't forget.
Benjo
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 02:20:11
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Tour impressions
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"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > writes:
> <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1184876794.129796.145480@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> 1. When Christophe Moreau attacked in the first Alps stage, I'm sure
>> he was thinking: "Hey, this worked in the Dauphine, why isn't it
>> working now?"
>>
>> 2. Sarkozy stated that he first followed the Tour in 1969 when it was
>> between van Springel and Janssen. When Jalabert asked him if he was
>> going to ride up the Galibier, he said no, because it takes 2500 km of
>> training to ride up the Galibier, and he hadn't ridden at all this
>> year. This gives a good idea of how incoherent he seemed, pretty
>> similar to his drunk G8 speech.
>
> Janssen en van Springel 1969? Shocking. He must have been dead drunk. Of
> course, it was 1968, a year a french president shouldn't forget.
>
> Benjo
>
>
>
Well the Prince of Andorra is permitted to make a few Freudian
slips, particularly as he was only 12 or thereabouts in 1969
Anyhow, he probably won't deliver on many of his election promises,
but what politician ever does?
There's nothing in the World that makes a Politician forget his
Campaign Promises faster than getting elected.
Anyway, hopefully he'll just steal the money like Mitterand without
bumping off his buddy like Mitterand did.
I read a good book about that Wanker, bought it even, "Mitterand et
les 40 Voleurs" a titular parody on Ali-Baba of course. It was an
eye-opener.
--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
-
Contrary to recent pronouncements by 'Dave' Cameron, it is not the
decline in marriage that has destroyed British society, but it is in
fact both Conservative and Labour policies which are responsible for
its breakdown. It is their immigration policies, economic policies,
their social policies, their housing policies and their decades-long
deliberate destruction of extended families and kin based communities
that have created Britain's broken society.
Vote BNP, the only Party that Cares
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 23:00:31
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Tour impressions
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"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > wrote in message
news:5ga5ggF3eua0sU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1184876794.129796.145480@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> 1. When Christophe Moreau attacked in the first Alps stage, I'm sure
>> he was thinking: "Hey, this worked in the Dauphine, why isn't it
>> working now?"
>>
>> 2. Sarkozy stated that he first followed the Tour in 1969 when it was
>> between van Springel and Janssen. When Jalabert asked him if he was
>> going to ride up the Galibier, he said no, because it takes 2500 km of
>> training to ride up the Galibier, and he hadn't ridden at all this
>> year. This gives a good idea of how incoherent he seemed, pretty
>> similar to his drunk G8 speech.
>
> Janssen en van Springel 1969? Shocking. He must have been dead drunk. Of
> course, it was 1968, a year a french president shouldn't forget.
My impressions at this point:
It is going to be really hard to beat Valverde. If his team supports him and
there's no bad luck for him I think that he will open up his two minutes
lead over the next four - Contador, Sastre, Kloden and Leipheimer. For
second place my bet is Contador with Sastre struting in third. f Bruneel and
Levi are smart they'll keep Levi's options open but it is more than likely
that Contador's younger body can recover faster and keep him ahead of a
rapidly improving Sastre.
Anyone that seriously believes that Vino has a chance this year is missing
more than a little perspective. Any bets that Vino sacrifices himself on a
stage and Horner actually finishes higher in the GC?
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 08:58:35
From: Doug Taylor
Subject: Re: Tour impressions
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:00:31 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com >
wrote:
>My impressions at this point:
>
>It is going to be really hard to beat Valverde. If his team supports him and
>there's no bad luck for him I think that he will open up his two minutes
>lead over the next four - Contador, Sastre, Kloden and Leipheimer. For
>second place my bet is Contador with Sastre struting in third. f Bruneel and
>Levi are smart they'll keep Levi's options open but it is more than likely
>that Contador's younger body can recover faster and keep him ahead of a
>rapidly improving Sastre.
You leave out Evans, and I suspect you underestimate Kloden. They
both will gain time over the likes of Valverde, Sastre and Contador
Saturday. Then it's a matter of not losing it Sunday, Monday and
Wednesday. The Big M strategy. But I agree Valverde has good form
and is tactically smart; he is likely to be very consistent over the 4
stages. So I'm thinking Valverde, Kloden, Evans and on the podium,
but I won't predict the order.
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