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Date: 29 Jan 2007 13:34:14
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Subject: Training Assistance
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I am a 23 year old category 1 cyclist seeking some assistance.
I made an agreement with my parents that unless I get a professional
contract I'll start college in September. They've been very
supportive of my trying to make it but I understand and respect their
patience running out. This summer will be my last chance to catch the
eye of one of the domestic teams and I know that is only going to
occur with results in the bigger NRC races.
I know I have enough talent and I know my training is solid. I train
harder than anyone that I know and train all year around in all kinds
of weather which is not always the easiesy thing to do in the rain and
snow. I did 900 hours last year in both racing and training.
In the local races I can pretty much ride away from everyone on the
climbs and I time trail better than almost everyone except some of the
professional triathletes and time trail specialists around here. I've
had two different coaches who have been very helpful and I've read
just about everything that I can get my hands on. Training and mental
toughness are not the problems.
The problem is that when I go to the bigger races I am in an unfair
situation. I can only get to a handful of the bigger NRC races that I
have a chance in. I'm not much of a criterium racer and even when I
find a criterium course with a hill, there is no way to beat the
bigger teams. The few times I've tried to get to the front in the
final laps, I get shoved out of the line. And I don't mean I can't
hold my position, I mean literally the professional riders have no
respect because I'm not a pro and actually shove me out of the way.
One time a guy spit on my when I shoved back. Its total bullshit.
So my real chance is in the hilly road races and the couple of stage
races that I can afford to go to. I've done well in a handful of
these races and that's given my a lot of hope and confidence. But I
seem to be stuck, just outside of being able to make the final
selection. My disadvantage is that the guys who consistantly finish
ahead of me have all the support and get to do all these races all the
time. They also don't have the pressure of having to perform because
they're just going to being doing another big stage race next weekend
anyway. I also suspect most of them get 'help' when they need is from
doctors or whatever.
Which brings me to the point of this post. And I'll be blunt about
it. I need someone to help me ...man its tough to even write it, but
whatever....I need someone to help me dope. And before a bunch of you
start giving me shit, save your breath....I've already thought this
through and I'm not interested in you telling me this is wrong. I
know its mostly wrong and once I get a result and get noticed I'm not
going to be dumb enough to keep doing it. All I need is a break to get
me over the hump for the few stage races I'm doing. I'm also committed
to giving any prize money that I win to USA Cycling's Junior
Devleopment program so I'm not doing this to make money on the deal.
Anyway, I don't want to be stupid about this and I don't want to hurt
myself. I've read as much as I can and I have a general idea, but I
would feel much better about if someone who knows what they're doing
can let me know. I thought about going to my doctor, but this isn't
something that I'd feel comfortable talking with him about, plus I'm
sure that the medical application of these items is different the
their use for recovery. I'd rather have some real world experience.
My only condition is that I want to start anonymous. ON BOTH SIDES. I
don't want to know who you are and I am not telling you who I am. I
want to get this done and over with and then that's it and I think its
safer for everyone if it stays impersonal. I'd be willing to pay some
money for the advice, but I'm really limited with funds since my only
support for my training is my parents, so some understanding will be
appreciated.
Please contact me at either this address or my yahoo address
MadCl1mber@yahoo.com
PS Please serious emails only, this is my health so I don't need any
hoaxes plus I would know enough to be able to tell a hoax anyway so
save your time.
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 15:45:38
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Jan 30, 6:35 pm, "Robert Chung" <m...@address.invalid > wrote:
> MadCl1m...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > I'm really limited with funds since my only
> > support for my training is my parents, so some understanding will be
> > appreciated.
>
> You know, if your mom is blonde and keeps herself in good shape, you might
> be able to go straight to the source and get LANCE interested.
lance is shopping from catalogues now.
http://gawker.com/news/tory-burch/vanity-fair-profiles-are-the-
matchcom-of-the-overclass-232454.php
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 18:19:49
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 30, 6:35 pm, "Robert Chung" <m...@address.invalid> wrote:
>> MadCl1m...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> I'm really limited with funds since my only
>>> support for my training is my parents, so some understanding will be
>>> appreciated.
>> You know, if your mom is blonde and keeps herself in good shape, you might
>> be able to go straight to the source and get LANCE interested.
>
> lance is shopping from catalogues now.
>
> http://gawker.com/news/tory-burch/vanity-fair-profiles-are-the-
> matchcom-of-the-overclass-232454.php
LANCE is dating someone that looks like mom!
How is it that Lafferty didn't see this first?
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 15:35:36
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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MadCl1mber@yahoo.com wrote:
> I'm really limited with funds since my only
> support for my training is my parents, so some understanding will be
> appreciated.
You know, if your mom is blonde and keeps herself in good shape, you might
be able to go straight to the source and get LANCE interested.
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 20:30:53
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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MadCl1mber@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am a 23 year old category 1 cyclist seeking some assistance.
>
> My only condition is that I want to start anonymous. ON BOTH SIDES. I
> don't want to know who you are and I am not telling you who I am. I
> want to get this done and over with and then that's it and I think its
> safer for everyone if it stays impersonal. I'd be willing to pay some
> money for the advice, but I'm really limited with funds since my only
> support for my training is my parents, so some understanding will be
> appreciated.
>
Let me know if you want some help with that college application and I'll
fire up an anonymous account.
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 10:20:44
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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MadCl1mber@yahoo.com wrote:
[snip]
The rbr convention is to end posts like yours with the question "is this
acceptable?"
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 19:21:42
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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Robert Chung wrote:
> MadCl1mber@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> The rbr convention is to end posts like yours with the question "is this
> acceptable?"
>
>
I'm pretty sure the OP's question is also addressed in the group FAQ. Not
that anyone ever reads the FAQ.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 15:13:22
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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In article <Xns98C873A9EECA7FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4 >,
William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Robert Chung wrote:
>
> > MadCl1mber@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> > The rbr convention is to end posts like yours with the question "is this
> > acceptable?"
> >
> >
>
> I'm pretty sure the OP's question is also addressed in the group FAQ. Not
> that anyone ever reads the FAQ.
Some people have the FAQ killfiled.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 31 Jan 2007 08:40:52
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:13:22 -0800, Howard Kveck wrote:
> Some people have the FAQ killfiled.
Yeah, faq the FAQ.
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E. Dronkert
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Date: 31 Jan 2007 00:44:42
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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Howard Kveck wrote:
> In article <Xns98C873A9EECA7FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4>,
> William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm pretty sure the OP's question is also addressed in the group FAQ.
>> Not that anyone ever reads the FAQ.
>
> Some people have the FAQ killfiled.
>
Ahhh, the illiterati. Usenet is like that.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 07:22:10
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Jan 30, 1:39 pm, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid >
wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:37:07 -0500, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > But as long as the athlete is realistic, it's just time "wasted" --
> > time in which he/she is learning as well.And not building up a pension.
>
> E.
> Did it for 15 years. But hey I did go to worlds. As a coach.
>
On a regular basis millions find less constructive ways to not build
up a pension. When you become a geezer, get someone better off (who
started building their pension at 21 presumably) to buy the drinks
while you wow them with stories from your glory days as a coach at the
world championships.
Joseph
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 12:41:03
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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Use your money on a season in Europe instead of dope!!
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 03:20:46
From: derFahrer@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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>We never discuss doping on rbr, however if you are feeling lonely you
> could invest in an anaemic dog. The ROI on anaemic dogs is alleged to be
> quite impressive, however never introduce your pet to your gynaecologist;
> that's considered bad karma.
is there a funnier Usenet group than this?
if only magilla's posts could be even a fraction as witty ...
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 11:52:52
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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MadCl1mber wrote:
> Which brings me to the point of this post. And I'll be blunt about
> it. I need someone to help me ...man its tough to even write it, but
> whatever....I need someone to help me dope.
We never discuss doping on rbr, however if you are feeling lonely you
could invest in an anaemic dog. The ROI on anaemic dogs is alleged to be
quite impressive, however never introduce your pet to your gynaecologist;
that's considered bad karma.
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 00:31:38
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Jan 30, 9:26 am, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Jan 30, 3:19 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > amit wrote:
> > >> having a PhD is like being a Cat 1 in academics, you are still very
> > >> far from the protour.
> > b...@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> > > Also, the PhD's on elite academic teams that can afford
> > > to travel to all the best conferences and pay for a good
> > > doping program will push and spit on you in the final lap.Ah for the good old days when mathematicians only did stimulants.dumbass,
>
> there's a drug available that will make your shit smell nice. that
> would be the best doping for academia.
If you drink the right Kool-Aid, all you need to do is _think_ it
smells nice.
Joseph
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 10:39:44
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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amit wrote:
>> there's a drug available that will make your shit smell nice. that
>> would be the best doping for academia.
joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote:
> If you drink the right Kool-Aid, all you need to do is _think_ it
> smells nice.
The trick is to get your doctoral committee to drink the same Kool-Aid.
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 00:27:59
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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In article
<1170106454.104186.267550@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >
,
MadCl1mber@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am a 23 year old category 1 cyclist seeking some assistance.
>
> I made an agreement with my parents that unless I get a professional
> contract I'll start college in September. They've been very
> supportive of my trying to make it but I understand and respect their
> patience running out. This summer will be my last chance to catch the
> eye of one of the domestic teams and I know that is only going to
> occur with results in the bigger NRC races.
>
> I know I have enough talent and I know my training is solid. I train
> harder than anyone that I know and train all year around in all kinds
> of weather which is not always the easiesy thing to do in the rain and
> snow. I did 900 hours last year in both racing and training.
>
> In the local races I can pretty much ride away from everyone on the
> climbs and I time trail better than almost everyone except some of the
> professional triathletes and time trail specialists around here. I've
> had two different coaches who have been very helpful and I've read
> just about everything that I can get my hands on. Training and mental
> toughness are not the problems.
>
> The problem is that when I go to the bigger races I am in an unfair
> situation. I can only get to a handful of the bigger NRC races that I
> have a chance in. I'm not much of a criterium racer and even when I
> find a criterium course with a hill, there is no way to beat the
> bigger teams. The few times I've tried to get to the front in the
> final laps, I get shoved out of the line. And I don't mean I can't
> hold my position, I mean literally the professional riders have no
> respect because I'm not a pro and actually shove me out of the way.
> One time a guy spit on my when I shoved back. Its total bullshit.
>
> So my real chance is in the hilly road races and the couple of stage
> races that I can afford to go to. I've done well in a handful of
> these races and that's given my a lot of hope and confidence. But I
> seem to be stuck, just outside of being able to make the final
> selection. My disadvantage is that the guys who consistantly finish
> ahead of me have all the support and get to do all these races all the
> time. They also don't have the pressure of having to perform because
> they're just going to being doing another big stage race next weekend
> anyway. I also suspect most of them get 'help' when they need is from
> doctors or whatever.
>
> Which brings me to the point of this post. And I'll be blunt about
> it. I need someone to help me ...man its tough to even write it, but
> whatever....I need someone to help me dope. And before a bunch of you
> start giving me shit, save your breath....I've already thought this
> through and I'm not interested in you telling me this is wrong. I
> know its mostly wrong and once I get a result and get noticed I'm not
> going to be dumb enough to keep doing it. All I need is a break to get
> me over the hump for the few stage races I'm doing. I'm also committed
> to giving any prize money that I win to USA Cycling's Junior
> Devleopment program so I'm not doing this to make money on the deal.
>
> Anyway, I don't want to be stupid about this and I don't want to hurt
> myself. I've read as much as I can and I have a general idea, but I
> would feel much better about if someone who knows what they're doing
> can let me know. I thought about going to my doctor, but this isn't
> something that I'd feel comfortable talking with him about, plus I'm
> sure that the medical application of these items is different the
> their use for recovery. I'd rather have some real world experience.
>
> My only condition is that I want to start anonymous. ON BOTH SIDES. I
> don't want to know who you are and I am not telling you who I am. I
> want to get this done and over with and then that's it and I think its
> safer for everyone if it stays impersonal. I'd be willing to pay some
> money for the advice, but I'm really limited with funds since my only
> support for my training is my parents, so some understanding will be
> appreciated.
>
> Please contact me at either this address or my yahoo address
> MadCl1mber@yahoo.com
>
> PS Please serious emails only, this is my health so I don't need any
> hoaxes plus I would know enough to be able to tell a hoax anyway so
> save your time.
You are obviously not strong enough to get a contract,
not vicious enough to kick ass in your races, and not
st enough to go to college if you cannot find your
own dope. I understand there are many top flight jobs
in the food service industry just going begging.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 00:26:50
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Jan 30, 3:19 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> amit wrote:
> >> having a PhD is like being a Cat 1 in academics, you are still very
> >> far from the protour.
> b...@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> > Also, the PhD's on elite academic teams that can afford
> > to travel to all the best conferences and pay for a good
> > doping program will push and spit on you in the final lap.Ah for the good old days when mathematicians only did stimulants.
dumbass,
there's a drug available that will make your shit smell nice. that
would be the best doping for academia.
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 23:55:30
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Jan 30, 12:35 am, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Jan 29, 5:46 pm, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > As far as I'm concerned, the Cat I and II riders
> > should not have wasted their time on useless Ph.D.'s and tried to see
> > how far they could go in bike racing.
>
> having a PhD is like being a Cat 1 in academics, you are still very
> far from the protour.
Also, the PhD's on elite academic teams that can afford
to travel to all the best conferences and pay for a good
doping program will push and spit on you in the final lap.
Ben
If I have seen far, it is by standing on
the necks of colleagues.
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 10:19:53
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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amit wrote:
>> having a PhD is like being a Cat 1 in academics, you are still very
>> far from the protour.
bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> Also, the PhD's on elite academic teams that can afford
> to travel to all the best conferences and pay for a good
> doping program will push and spit on you in the final lap.
Ah for the good old days when mathematicians only did stimulants.
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 00:10:00
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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In article <1170143730.382498.101700@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com >,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:
> On Jan 30, 12:35 am, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Jan 29, 5:46 pm, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > As far as I'm concerned, the Cat I and II riders
> > > should not have wasted their time on useless Ph.D.'s and tried to see
> > > how far they could go in bike racing.
> >
> > having a PhD is like being a Cat 1 in academics, you are still very
> > far from the protour.
>
> Also, the PhD's on elite academic teams that can afford
> to travel to all the best conferences and pay for a good
> doping program will push and spit on you in the final lap.
>
> Ben
> If I have seen far, it is by standing on
> the necks of colleagues.
Better that than riding over their necks, I suppose.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 23:54:54
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Jan 30, 6:31 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <1170110794.556270.149...@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 29, 11:03 pm, "DepartFictif" <bord...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> > > Another post on the "grape method" I see.
>
> > > My guess is you are full of shit. If you are really as good as you
> > > claim you know where to go and you have people around you already who
> > > can "help you out" and at least point you in the right direction. So
> > > I'm going to guess you are just posting to get a reaction out of
> > > people.
>
> > > However if you are serious; don't play around and ask for advice from
> > > people on this bloody thing. Most of the people here are sunday
> > > racers at best who's biggest concern is wether their clothing matches
> > > their bike.
> > > If you are serious then go someone who knows what they are doing. It
> > > will cost you money and will probably get you nowhere if your dealine
> > > is September.
>
> > What you say is partly true, because this is actually quite a good
> > place if you are wondering
> > about the actual merits of higher education. As you say, I am a very
> > weak bike racer, but
> > I think I know quite a bit about the benefits of a college education.
>
> > In particular, during the many years I got to know Stanford collegiate
> > racers, I can say without a doubt
> > that most learned more from the cycling coach than from any of their
> > academic professors.
> > As far as I'm concerned, the Cat I and II riders
> > should not have wasted their time on useless Ph.D.'s and tried to see
> > how far they could go in bike racing.
> > In the end, it is better to follow one's destiny to its end, to see
> > where one can go, and be among the very best,
> > than do something meaningless and not fulfilling that tens of
> > thousands can do better than youInteresting perspective. I've always thought that a lot more young
> people went full-bore into athletic pursuits when they would have been
> better off chasing a different dream.
>
> But then again, my brother-in-law pursued his dream of playing pro
> hockey all the way to the end (playing AA pro hockey in a variety of
> places), and then he co-founded a hockey school business.
>
> After a couple of years of high-intensity effort, he now makes
> substantially more than I do. Somewhere in there he also finished a
> Bachelor's degree.
>
> I'm inclined to tell our aspirant doper here to listen to his parents,
> but my brother-in-law is proof that you can return to school after your
> sporting days, and of course it's a truism that you only get one shot at
> athletic glory.
Suppose your brother-in-law never made it as a pro player? It still
would have been worth a shot. What's a couple of years wasted when you
are young and stupid? He probably got more out of his college
education as a mature adult than he would have had he bagged the
hockey early.
Joseph
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 07:37:07
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On 29 Jan 2007 23:54:54 -0800, "joseph.santaniello@gmail.com"
<joseph.santaniello@gmail.com > wrote:
>Suppose your brother-in-law never made it as a pro player? It still
>would have been worth a shot. What's a couple of years wasted when you
>are young and stupid? He probably got more out of his college
>education as a mature adult than he would have had he bagged the
>hockey early.
Well said.
The problem with putting too much emphasis on a sports career is if
the young athlete believe he/she is likely to get rich doing it and
can afford to not care about eventually getting an education or a job.
But as long as the athlete is realistic, it's just time "wasted" --
time in which he/she is learning as well.
--
JT
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 13:39:30
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:37:07 -0500, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> But as long as the athlete is realistic, it's just time "wasted" --
> time in which he/she is learning as well.
And not building up a pension.
E.
Did it for 15 years. But hey I did go to worlds. As a coach.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 08:00:00
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 13:39:30 +0100, Ewoud Dronkert
<firstname@lastname.net.invalid > wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:37:07 -0500, John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
>> But as long as the athlete is realistic, it's just time "wasted" --
>> time in which he/she is learning as well.
>
>And not building up a pension.
True.
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 23:50:47
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Jan 29, 11:46 pm, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> In the end, it is better to follow one's destiny to its end, to see
> where one can go, and be among the very best,
> than do something meaningless and not fulfilling that tens of
> thousands can do better than you
>
Indeed. Particularly when the first is age dependent, the second is
not.
You can always persue a pointless PhD after you find out you don't
have what it takes to be a pro athlete. Much harder to try to become a
pro athlete after you have wasted time on a pointless PhD.
Joseph
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 23:35:14
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Jan 29, 5:46 pm, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> As for useless university experiences, it is my opinion that most of
> the doctorates written by
> Stanford cycling team members were uninteresting
> and were never followed up with a meaningful research career, that is,
> not a single publication.
dumbass,
the degree, or the job it leads to is the meaningful result. i was
bemused by ryan's notion in the erdos thread that research was for the
benefit of mankind, when anyone in academia knows that most papers are
written for the benefit of the author.
> As far as I'm concerned, the Cat I and II riders
> should not have wasted their time on useless Ph.D.'s and tried to see
> how far they could go in bike racing.
having a PhD is like being a Cat 1 in academics, you are still very
far from the protour.
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Date: 31 Jan 2007 02:40:22
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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In article <1170142514.117690.61440@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com >,
"amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 5:46 pm, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> > As for useless university experiences, it is my opinion that most of
> > the doctorates written by
> > Stanford cycling team members were uninteresting
> > and were never followed up with a meaningful research career, that is,
> > not a single publication.
>
> dumbass,
>
> the degree, or the job it leads to is the meaningful result. i was
> bemused by ryan's notion in the erdos thread that research was for the
> benefit of mankind, when anyone in academia knows that most papers are
> written for the benefit of the author.
And most baseballs are hit in practice. But that rather messy process is
the only way we know to advance knowledge.
> > As far as I'm concerned, the Cat I and II riders
> > should not have wasted their time on useless Ph.D.'s and tried to see
> > how far they could go in bike racing.
>
> having a PhD is like being a Cat 1 in academics, you are still very
> far from the protour.
Heh. There's something to be said for the notion that a graduate student
on a college team is more likely to be a great racer than a great
academic.
But the world probably needs mediocre academics more than it needs great
racers.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 21:50:53
From: Randy Beaver
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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http://www.steroidsexpress.com/
>
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Date: 31 Jan 2007 02:41:40
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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In article <_0Bvh.642$9x2.95@newsfe02.lga >,
"Randy Beaver" <littlerandybeaver@hotmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.steroidsexpress.com/
>
> >
Is that a drugs URL or a muscle-porn site?
Not going there,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 21:50:32
From: Randy Beaver
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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http://www.steroid.com/muscle.php
>
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 21:40:32
From: Randy Beaver
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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http://www.dialysispatients.org/pdf/EPOLetterTemplate.pdf
> Which brings me to the point of this post. And I'll be blunt about
> it. I need someone to help me ...man its tough to even write it, but
> whatever....I need someone to help me dope.
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 21:39:11
From: Randy Beaver
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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Where can I get EPO? Most patients get EPO at their dialysis unit.
http://www.kidney.org/atoz/atozItem.cfm?id=60
> Which brings me to the point of this post. And I'll be blunt about
> it. I need someone to help me ...man its tough to even write it, but
> whatever....I need someone to help me dope.
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 03:33:28
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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MadCl1mber@yahoo.com wrote:
> My only condition is that I want to start anonymous. ON BOTH SIDES. I
> don't want to know who you are and I am not telling you who I am. I
> want to get this done and over with and then that's it and I think its
> safer for everyone if it stays impersonal. I'd be willing to pay some
> money for the advice, but I'm really limited with funds since my only
> support for my training is my parents, so some understanding will be
> appreciated.
>
> Please contact me at either this address or my yahoo address
> MadCl1mber@yahoo.com
>
> PS Please serious emails only, this is my health so I don't need any
> hoaxes plus I would know enough to be able to tell a hoax anyway so
> save your time.
Your name wouldn't be 'Matt', would it? Just curious.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 19:42:15
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Your name wouldn't be 'Matt', would it? Just curious.
I thought it was Pete Armitage. Whoops -- he's over 23.
Dan
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 12:51:19
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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Dan Connelly wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Your name wouldn't be 'Matt', would it? Just curious.
>
> I thought it was Pete Armitage. Whoops -- he's over 23.
Is npa still living at home?
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 17:43:01
From: ilan
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Jan 29, 10:34 pm, MadCl1m...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Which brings me to the point of this post. And I'll be blunt about
> it. I need someone to help me ...man its tough to even write it, but
> whatever....I need someone to help me dope.
I suppose you first used this learning method by posting to alt.toilet-
paper.3-ply
to learn how to wipe your butt.
-ilan
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 14:46:34
From: ilan
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Jan 29, 11:03 pm, "DepartFictif" <bord...@wanadoo.fr > wrote:
> Another post on the "grape method" I see.
>
> My guess is you are full of shit. If you are really as good as you
> claim you know where to go and you have people around you already who
> can "help you out" and at least point you in the right direction. So
> I'm going to guess you are just posting to get a reaction out of
> people.
>
> However if you are serious; don't play around and ask for advice from
> people on this bloody thing. Most of the people here are sunday
> racers at best who's biggest concern is wether their clothing matches
> their bike.
> If you are serious then go someone who knows what they are doing. It
> will cost you money and will probably get you nowhere if your dealine
> is September.
What you say is partly true, because this is actually quite a good
place if you are wondering
about the actual merits of higher education. As you say, I am a very
weak bike racer, but
I think I know quite a bit about the benefits of a college education.
In particular, during the many years I got to know Stanford collegiate
racers, I can say without a doubt
that most learned more from the cycling coach than from any of their
academic professors. For most of the
good riders, their years with the cycling team will be the only thing
of actual meaning during their years
at university. It is probably the case that finding a good cycling
team will result in a similar experience.
As for useless university experiences, it is my opinion that most of
the doctorates written by
Stanford cycling team members were uninteresting
and were never followed up with a meaningful research career, that is,
not a single publication.
As far as I'm concerned, the Cat I and II riders
should not have wasted their time on useless Ph.D.'s and tried to see
how far they could go in bike racing. Almost
none of them did that, because they were brought up in an environment
where having a Ph.D. was necessary
if you wanted respect from your parents (or from yourself).
In the end, it is better to follow one's destiny to its end, to see
where one can go, and be among the very best,
than do something meaningless and not fulfilling that tens of
thousands can do better than you
-ilan.
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 05:31:38
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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In article <1170110794.556270.149550@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >,
"ilan" <ilanpi@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jan 29, 11:03 pm, "DepartFictif" <bord...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> > Another post on the "grape method" I see.
> >
> > My guess is you are full of shit. If you are really as good as you
> > claim you know where to go and you have people around you already who
> > can "help you out" and at least point you in the right direction. So
> > I'm going to guess you are just posting to get a reaction out of
> > people.
> >
> > However if you are serious; don't play around and ask for advice from
> > people on this bloody thing. Most of the people here are sunday
> > racers at best who's biggest concern is wether their clothing matches
> > their bike.
> > If you are serious then go someone who knows what they are doing. It
> > will cost you money and will probably get you nowhere if your dealine
> > is September.
>
> What you say is partly true, because this is actually quite a good
> place if you are wondering
> about the actual merits of higher education. As you say, I am a very
> weak bike racer, but
> I think I know quite a bit about the benefits of a college education.
>
> In particular, during the many years I got to know Stanford collegiate
> racers, I can say without a doubt
> that most learned more from the cycling coach than from any of their
> academic professors.
> As far as I'm concerned, the Cat I and II riders
> should not have wasted their time on useless Ph.D.'s and tried to see
> how far they could go in bike racing.
> In the end, it is better to follow one's destiny to its end, to see
> where one can go, and be among the very best,
> than do something meaningless and not fulfilling that tens of
> thousands can do better than you
Interesting perspective. I've always thought that a lot more young
people went full-bore into athletic pursuits when they would have been
better off chasing a different dream.
But then again, my brother-in-law pursued his dream of playing pro
hockey all the way to the end (playing AA pro hockey in a variety of
places), and then he co-founded a hockey school business.
After a couple of years of high-intensity effort, he now makes
substantially more than I do. Somewhere in there he also finished a
Bachelor's degree.
I'm inclined to tell our aspirant doper here to listen to his parents,
but my brother-in-law is proof that you can return to school after your
sporting days, and of course it's a truism that you only get one shot at
athletic glory.
Oh, and to the OP: the official advice of RBR is to LIVEDRUNK and take
kenacort. This should give you an idea of the general level of advice
available here.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 14:30:18
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On Jan 29, 10:34 pm, MadCl1m...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am a 23 year old category 1 cyclist seeking some assistance.
>
> I made an agreement with my parents that unless I get a professional
> contract I'll start college in September. They've been very
> supportive of my trying to make it but I understand and respect their
> patience running out. This summer will be my last chance to catch the
> eye of one of the domestic teams and I know that is only going to
> occur with results in the bigger NRC races.
>
> I know I have enough talent and I know my training is solid. I train
> harder than anyone that I know and train all year around in all kinds
> of weather which is not always the easiesy thing to do in the rain and
> snow. I did 900 hours last year in both racing and training.
>
> In the local races I can pretty much ride away from everyone on the
> climbs and I time trail better than almost everyone except some of the
> professional triathletes and time trail specialists around here. I've
> had two different coaches who have been very helpful and I've read
> just about everything that I can get my hands on. Training and mental
> toughness are not the problems.
>
> The problem is that when I go to the bigger races I am in an unfair
> situation. I can only get to a handful of the bigger NRC races that I
> have a chance in. I'm not much of a criterium racer and even when I
> find a criterium course with a hill, there is no way to beat the
> bigger teams. The few times I've tried to get to the front in the
> final laps, I get shoved out of the line. And I don't mean I can't
> hold my position, I mean literally the professional riders have no
> respect because I'm not a pro and actually shove me out of the way.
> One time a guy spit on my when I shoved back. Its total bullshit.
>
> So my real chance is in the hilly road races and the couple of stage
> races that I can afford to go to. I've done well in a handful of
> these races and that's given my a lot of hope and confidence. But I
> seem to be stuck, just outside of being able to make the final
> selection. My disadvantage is that the guys who consistantly finish
> ahead of me have all the support and get to do all these races all the
> time. They also don't have the pressure of having to perform because
> they're just going to being doing another big stage race next weekend
> anyway. I also suspect most of them get 'help' when they need is from
> doctors or whatever.
>
> Which brings me to the point of this post. And I'll be blunt about
> it. I need someone to help me ...man its tough to even write it, but
> whatever....I need someone to help me dope. And before a bunch of you
> start giving me shit, save your breath....I've already thought this
> through and I'm not interested in you telling me this is wrong. I
> know its mostly wrong and once I get a result and get noticed I'm not
> going to be dumb enough to keep doing it. All I need is a break to get
> me over the hump for the few stage races I'm doing. I'm also committed
> to giving any prize money that I win to USA Cycling's Junior
> Devleopment program so I'm not doing this to make money on the deal.
>
> Anyway, I don't want to be stupid about this and I don't want to hurt
> myself. I've read as much as I can and I have a general idea, but I
> would feel much better about if someone who knows what they're doing
> can let me know. I thought about going to my doctor, but this isn't
> something that I'd feel comfortable talking with him about, plus I'm
> sure that the medical application of these items is different the
> their use for recovery. I'd rather have some real world experience.
>
> My only condition is that I want to start anonymous. ON BOTH SIDES. I
> don't want to know who you are and I am not telling you who I am. I
> want to get this done and over with and then that's it and I think its
> safer for everyone if it stays impersonal. I'd be willing to pay some
> money for the advice, but I'm really limited with funds since my only
> support for my training is my parents, so some understanding will be
> appreciated.
>
> Please contact me at either this address or my yahoo address
> MadCl1m...@yahoo.com
>
> PS Please serious emails only, this is my health so I don't need any
> hoaxes plus I would know enough to be able to tell a hoax anyway so
> save your time.
Sounds like a bogus request to me.
Maybe there is a grain of truth in there, so here is my 2 cents:
Doping won't get you anywhere. You need a lot more than just a high
VO2max to make it.
You can always go to college later. Focus on cycling now, school
later. Much later. Don't even think about it now, you're only 23.
Move to Europe. Just go and find a club/shop/team and if you are that
good they will know how to set you up.
Joseph
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 22:19:00
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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MadCl1mber@yahoo.com wrote:
> I know I have enough talent and I know my training is solid. I train
> harder than anyone that I know and train all year around in all kinds
> of weather which is not always the easiesy thing to do in the rain and
> snow. I did 900 hours last year in both racing and training.
http://www.biketechreview.com/op_ed/stripped_down.htm
Dan
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Date: 29 Jan 2007 14:03:18
From: DepartFictif
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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Another post on the "grape method" I see.
My guess is you are full of shit. If you are really as good as you
claim you know where to go and you have people around you already who
can "help you out" and at least point you in the right direction. So
I'm going to guess you are just posting to get a reaction out of
people.
However if you are serious; don't play around and ask for advice from
people on this bloody thing. Most of the people here are sunday
racers at best who's biggest concern is wether their clothing matches
their bike.
If you are serious then go someone who knows what they are doing. It
will cost you money and will probably get you nowhere if your dealine
is September.
You seem to make a lot of excuses.. pros get this, pros get that..
pros push me out the way. Well yes, that's crit racing. It's nothing
but pushing and shuving.. and I understand it you don't even have the
crit mafias in the US, so count yourself lucky.
However... if you really want to make it you should think about
spending a season or 2 in europe. You can get a spot on an "amateur"
team who will pay you a small salary and pay for your housing, food
etc etc, plus will be a good set-up with team bikes, cars, support and
a solid calendar. From there you can either hope to turn towards pro
teams, or head back to talk to the US conti and pro teams with a
little international experience under your belt.
If that were to interest you, once again if you are as good as you say
you will know people around you who can sent you over to Europe to a
team. If not, contact me and we'll talk.
On Jan 29, 10:34 pm, MadCl1m...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am a 23 year old category 1 cyclist seeking some assistance.
>
> I made an agreement with my parents that unless I get a professional
> contract I'll start college in September. They've been very
> supportive of my trying to make it but I understand and respect their
> patience running out. This summer will be my last chance to catch the
> eye of one of the domestic teams and I know that is only going to
> occur with results in the bigger NRC races.
>
> I know I have enough talent and I know my training is solid. I train
> harder than anyone that I know and train all year around in all kinds
> of weather which is not always the easiesy thing to do in the rain and
> snow. I did 900 hours last year in both racing and training.
>
> In the local races I can pretty much ride away from everyone on the
> climbs and I time trail better than almost everyone except some of the
> professional triathletes and time trail specialists around here. I've
> had two different coaches who have been very helpful and I've read
> just about everything that I can get my hands on. Training and mental
> toughness are not the problems.
>
> The problem is that when I go to the bigger races I am in an unfair
> situation. I can only get to a handful of the bigger NRC races that I
> have a chance in. I'm not much of a criterium racer and even when I
> find a criterium course with a hill, there is no way to beat the
> bigger teams. The few times I've tried to get to the front in the
> final laps, I get shoved out of the line. And I don't mean I can't
> hold my position, I mean literally the professional riders have no
> respect because I'm not a pro and actually shove me out of the way.
> One time a guy spit on my when I shoved back. Its total bullshit.
>
> So my real chance is in the hilly road races and the couple of stage
> races that I can afford to go to. I've done well in a handful of
> these races and that's given my a lot of hope and confidence. But I
> seem to be stuck, just outside of being able to make the final
> selection. My disadvantage is that the guys who consistantly finish
> ahead of me have all the support and get to do all these races all the
> time. They also don't have the pressure of having to perform because
> they're just going to being doing another big stage race next weekend
> anyway. I also suspect most of them get 'help' when they need is from
> doctors or whatever.
>
> Which brings me to the point of this post. And I'll be blunt about
> it. I need someone to help me ...man its tough to even write it, but
> whatever....I need someone to help me dope. And before a bunch of you
> start giving me shit, save your breath....I've already thought this
> through and I'm not interested in you telling me this is wrong. I
> know its mostly wrong and once I get a result and get noticed I'm not
> going to be dumb enough to keep doing it. All I need is a break to get
> me over the hump for the few stage races I'm doing. I'm also committed
> to giving any prize money that I win to USA Cycling's Junior
> Devleopment program so I'm not doing this to make money on the deal.
>
> Anyway, I don't want to be stupid about this and I don't want to hurt
> myself. I've read as much as I can and I have a general idea, but I
> would feel much better about if someone who knows what they're doing
> can let me know. I thought about going to my doctor, but this isn't
> something that I'd feel comfortable talking with him about, plus I'm
> sure that the medical application of these items is different the
> their use for recovery. I'd rather have some real world experience.
>
> My only condition is that I want to start anonymous. ON BOTH SIDES. I
> don't want to know who you are and I am not telling you who I am. I
> want to get this done and over with and then that's it and I think its
> safer for everyone if it stays impersonal. I'd be willing to pay some
> money for the advice, but I'm really limited with funds since my only
> support for my training is my parents, so some understanding will be
> appreciated.
>
> Please contact me at either this address or my yahoo address
> MadCl1m...@yahoo.com
>
> PS Please serious emails only, this is my health so I don't need any
> hoaxes plus I would know enough to be able to tell a hoax anyway so
> save your time.
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 08:59:27
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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On 29 Jan 2007 14:03:18 -0800, "DepartFictif" <bordure@wanadoo.fr >
wrote:
>However if you are serious; don't play around and ask for advice from
>people on this bloody thing. Most of the people here are sunday
>racers at best who's biggest concern is wether their clothing matches
>their bike.
Which means that you don't start by buying a bike that's just going to
make you look ugly when you buy the matching clothes. Basic red is
always a good starting point. Only Serotta would paint a racing bike
brown on a regular basis - don't even go there unless you really know
how to style.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 16:27:07
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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DepartFictif wrote:
>>However if you are serious; don't play around and ask for advice from
>>people on this bloody thing. Most of the people here are sunday
>>racers at best who's biggest concern is wether their clothing matches
>>their bike.
Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> Which means that you don't start by buying a bike that's just going to
> make you look ugly when you buy the matching clothes. Basic red is
> always a good starting point. Only Serotta would paint a racing bike
> brown on a regular basis - don't even go there unless you really know
> how to style.
Phonak were real pros, you could see that by the way their clothes didn't
match their bikes.
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Date: 30 Jan 2007 17:50:32
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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Donald Munro wrote:
> DepartFictif wrote:
>>>However if you are serious; don't play around and ask for advice from
>>>people on this bloody thing. Most of the people here are sunday
>>>racers at best who's biggest concern is wether their clothing matches
>>>their bike.
>
> Curtis L. Russell wrote:
>> Which means that you don't start by buying a bike that's just going to
>> make you look ugly when you buy the matching clothes. Basic red is
>> always a good starting point. Only Serotta would paint a racing bike
>> brown on a regular basis - don't even go there unless you really know
>> how to style.
>
> Phonak were real pros, you could see that by the way their clothes didn't
> match their bikes.
>
>
They focused more on sound then sight.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 31 Jan 2007 02:20:24
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Training Assistance
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In article <Xns98C864344EDBDFkldeltaC@130.133.1.4 >,
William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Donald Munro wrote:
>
> > DepartFictif wrote:
> >>>However if you are serious; don't play around and ask for advice from
> >>>people on this bloody thing. Most of the people here are sunday
> >>>racers at best who's biggest concern is wether their clothing matches
> >>>their bike.
> >
> > Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> >> Which means that you don't start by buying a bike that's just going to
> >> make you look ugly when you buy the matching clothes. Basic red is
> >> always a good starting point. Only Serotta would paint a racing bike
> >> brown on a regular basis - don't even go there unless you really know
> >> how to style.
> >
> > Phonak were real pros, you could see that by the way their clothes didn't
> > match their bikes.
> >
> >
>
> They focused more on sound then sight.
On that team, blindness would have been a mercy.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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