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Date: 03 Jan 2007 22:08:00
From: DA74
Subject: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=photos/2007/news/jan07/tinkoff_train/Tinkoff5876
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 18:04:16
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote: > Ewoud Dronkert wrote: > > > That's also why LANCE's "get dropped then" was so moronic. > ... > > Champions are just stronger and win despite working. > > That is two interesting takes. FWIW, I always took LANCE's "get dropped then" as more of a promise ("you'll get dropped then") then a complaint, which I think means I agree with you. Captain Waddell didn't take offense at the time, and he was there. Ben
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 16:43:23
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote: > That's also why LANCE's "get dropped then" was so moronic. ... > Champions are just stronger and win despite working. That is two interesting takes.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 20:24:58
From: DA74
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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Bob Schwartz wrote: > Howard Kveck wrote: > > In article <1167949276.172588.174690@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > > "ronaldo_jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> Bob Schwartz wrote: > >> > >>> What struck me was how old those guys are. By the time the > >>> season starts Commesso will be 32, Hondo 33 (pretty old for > >>> sprinters), and Tyler will be 35. > >>> > >> Dumbass - > >> > >> Yeah, suspensions don't make you any younger. > >> > >> As for old age and sprinters, I have always thought sprinters age > >> better than other riders. > > > > Cipo and Zabel being fairly good examples. > > Cipo is an exception. Zabel, who has aged better than most > sprinters, took his last green jersey at age 31 and won his > last stage in the Tour at 32. He is not an exception. > > Compare that to the relative geezerheads like Virenque (35) > and Jaja (34) that have recently taken KOM jerseys in the > Tour. Maybe the age explains why Tricky Dickie and El Yaya had been embalmed with aranesp and humatrope before their successful green jersey campaigns. DA74
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 17:07:29
From: ronaldo_jeremiah
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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Hroller wrote: > On 4 Jan 2007 01:04:04 -0800, "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" > <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote: > >car. The bottom half of the shield is a unicorn rampant, OK, > >but the top half appears to show the hand of God emerging > >from a cloud and brandishing a chicken drumstick. WTF? > > That unicorn is not rampant. Rampant is standing, two left off the > ground. and much more vertical than that. As for the arm, it looks > like Ronald McDonalds arm to me... Hroller - I am wondering - is drug use rampant in cycling? -rj
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 16:13:13
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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Bob Schwartz wrote: > ronaldo_jeremiah wrote: > > DA74 wrote: > >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=photos/2007/news/jan07/tinkoff_train/Tinkoff5876 > > > > Shouldn't that be three out of three? Carphedon, cocaine, and blood. > > What struck me was how old those guys are. By the time the > season starts Commesso will be 32, Hondo 33 (pretty old for > sprinters), and Tyler will be 35. Is Rogaine on the banned list? > Guys that were much better Grand Tour riders than Tyler were > completely out of the picture by that age. At 35 Rominger > was doing well to pick up a Vuelta KOM jersey and Tyler will > never be as good as Rominger. But Tyler is tanned, rested and ready. LANCE is six months younger than Tyler and he's already retired. On the other hand, LANCE won a tour at 33 going on 34, by which age Merckx, Hinault and Indurain were tending their gardens. It's creeping Masters-ism: people are staying active longer now, y'know. You just gotta get regular exercise and keep drinking your orange juice. Ben
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 21:04:55
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote: > Bob Schwartz wrote: >> What struck me was how old those guys are. By the time the >> season starts Commesso will be 32, Hondo 33 (pretty old for >> sprinters), and Tyler will be 35. > > Is Rogaine on the banned list? Not AFAIK, but finasteride is: http://www.ishrs.org/articles/olympic-athletes.htm
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 14:21:16
From: ronaldo_jeremiah
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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Bob Schwartz wrote: > What struck me was how old those guys are. By the time the > season starts Commesso will be 32, Hondo 33 (pretty old for > sprinters), and Tyler will be 35. > Dumbass - Yeah, suspensions don't make you any younger. As for old age and sprinters, I have always thought sprinters age better than other riders. -rj
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 16:05:43
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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In article <1167949276.172588.174690@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >, "ronaldo_jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com > wrote: > Bob Schwartz wrote: > > > What struck me was how old those guys are. By the time the > > season starts Commesso will be 32, Hondo 33 (pretty old for > > sprinters), and Tyler will be 35. > > > > Dumbass - > > Yeah, suspensions don't make you any younger. > > As for old age and sprinters, I have always thought sprinters age > better than other riders. Cipo and Zabel being fairly good examples. -- tanx, Howard Never take a tenant with a monkey. remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 04:04:47
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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Howard Kveck wrote: > In article <1167949276.172588.174690@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > "ronaldo_jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> Bob Schwartz wrote: >> >>> What struck me was how old those guys are. By the time the >>> season starts Commesso will be 32, Hondo 33 (pretty old for >>> sprinters), and Tyler will be 35. >>> >> Dumbass - >> >> Yeah, suspensions don't make you any younger. >> >> As for old age and sprinters, I have always thought sprinters age >> better than other riders. > > Cipo and Zabel being fairly good examples. Cipo is an exception. Zabel, who has aged better than most sprinters, took his last green jersey at age 31 and won his last stage in the Tour at 32. He is not an exception. Compare that to the relative geezerheads like Virenque (35) and Jaja (34) that have recently taken KOM jerseys in the Tour.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 20:24:45
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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In article <z7knh.28820$hI.20038@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net >, Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote: > Howard Kveck wrote: > > In article <1167949276.172588.174690@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > > "ronaldo_jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > >> Bob Schwartz wrote: > >> > >>> What struck me was how old those guys are. By the time the > >>> season starts Commesso will be 32, Hondo 33 (pretty old for > >>> sprinters), and Tyler will be 35. > >>> > >> Dumbass - > >> > >> Yeah, suspensions don't make you any younger. > >> > >> As for old age and sprinters, I have always thought sprinters age > >> better than other riders. > > > > Cipo and Zabel being fairly good examples. > > Cipo is an exception. Zabel, who has aged better than most > sprinters, took his last green jersey at age 31 and won his > last stage in the Tour at 32. He is not an exception. You're right that Zabel hasn't won much in recent years, but he still has been right up front. He's had about a jillion second places in various races over the last couple of years. I think he's been more consistently at (okay, *near*) the front than anyone else. Which means he's just barely lost to more different guys than anyone else. -- tanx, Howard Never take a tenant with a monkey. remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 07:52:36
From: ronaldo_jeremiah
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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MagillaGorilla wrote: > DA74 wrote: > > http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=photos/2007/news/jan07/tinkoff_train/Tinkoff5876 > > > > I'm trying to think if this photo is any funnier than these two: > > http://www.velonews.com/images/news/11351.16997.f.jpg > http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=18603072H7196 > > > > Thanks for all your help, > > > Magilla Click the link for Boyer's aliases. Funny thing is, for a guy whose name was printed differently in every race report I ever read (Jon, John Jonathan, Jock, Jacques, Jack, etc.), his aliases are not any of those, but Jonathan Swift or Jonathan Dyer. Huh. -rj
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 10:45:42
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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DA74 wrote: > http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=photos/2007/news/jan07/tinkoff_train/Tinkoff5876 > I'm trying to think if this photo is any funnier than these two: http://www.velonews.com/images/news/11351.16997.f.jpg http://www.meganslaw.ca.gov/cgi/prosoma.dll?searchby=offender&id=18603072H7196 Thanks for all your help, Magilla
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 07:09:51
From: Cyrus De Kline
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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ronaldo_jeremiah schrieb: > Fred Fredburger wrote: > > > The unicorn represents the fairy tale that is Hamilton's doping defense. > > Then maybe it's not a unicorn at all. Maybe it's a chimera. > > -rj ROFL!
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 05:59:28
From: ronaldo_jeremiah
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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DA74 wrote: > http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=photos/2007/news/jan07/tinkoff_train/Tinkoff5876 Shouldn't that be three out of three? Carphedon, cocaine, and blood. -rj
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 18:55:53
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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ronaldo_jeremiah wrote: > DA74 wrote: >> http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=photos/2007/news/jan07/tinkoff_train/Tinkoff5876 > > Shouldn't that be three out of three? Carphedon, cocaine, and blood. What struck me was how old those guys are. By the time the season starts Commesso will be 32, Hondo 33 (pretty old for sprinters), and Tyler will be 35. Guys that were much better Grand Tour riders than Tyler were completely out of the picture by that age. At 35 Rominger was doing well to pick up a Vuelta KOM jersey and Tyler will never be as good as Rominger. Bob Schwartz
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 13:25:56
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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Bob Schwartz wrote: > ronaldo_jeremiah wrote: >> DA74 wrote: >>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=photos/2007/news/jan07/tinkoff_train/Tinkoff5876 >>> >> >> Shouldn't that be three out of three? Carphedon, cocaine, and blood. > Commesso look to be around BMI 28.... Dan
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 05:58:13
From: ronaldo_jeremiah
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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Fred Fredburger wrote: > The unicorn represents the fairy tale that is Hamilton's doping defense. Then maybe it's not a unicorn at all. Maybe it's a chimera. -rj
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 02:52:05
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote: > On 4 Jan 2007 01:43:32 -0800, amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote: > > Sure, the point is if you don't work (for whatever reason) you will be > > harassed or intimidated into working. > > Dumbasses get harassed or intimidated into working. Eternal > domestiques always work. winners feign inability. Champions are just > stronger and win despite working. > dumbass, i was referring to local races (like the one where the lance comment happened). having never ridden in the protour i imagine there's some similarity, but there's more teamwork and more sense of riders playing roles.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 01:43:32
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote: > On 4 Jan 2007 00:16:37 -0800, amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote: > > the tactic that wins is always defensible, but despite that i'd say 75% > > of the jawing, arguments, intimidation and fights at races originate > > with someone tryng to get another rider to work more in a break. > > So? They're just trying to maximise their own chances of winning. > Sure, the point is if you don't work (for whatever reason) you will be harassed or intimidated into working.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 11:20:50
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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On 4 Jan 2007 01:43:32 -0800, amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote: > Sure, the point is if you don't work (for whatever reason) you will be > harassed or intimidated into working. Dumbasses get harassed or intimidated into working. Eternal domestiques always work. winners feign inability. Champions are just stronger and win despite working. -- E. Dronkert
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 12:06:37
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote: >> So? They're just trying to maximise their own chances of winning. >> amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote: > Sure, the point is if you don't work (for whatever reason) you will be > harassed or intimidated into working. I wonder if Bettini ever harassed or intimidated Backstedt by threatening to headbutt him with his technicolour helmet.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 01:04:04
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote: > DA74 wrote: > > http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=photos/2007/news/jan07/tinkoff_train/Tinkoff5876 > > dumbass drug sports are awesome, i will be the biggest tinkoff fan. > > -capucchino machine's attack into sestriere > -riis on the hautacam > -pantani putting 9 mins into ullrich on the galibier > -mcguire's 70 HRs, '98 was the shit, even the balls were juiced: > (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2719191) > -hamilton soloing into bayonne with a broken collarbone > -landis on stage 17. > -james brown > > need i say more ? Dude, you are going to have to be high on something to bear looking at that crazy Tinkoff kit for more than a few seconds at a time. It is making my eyes cross. I also cannot figure out the heraldic symbols on the coat of arms on the team car. The bottom half of the shield is a unicorn rampant, OK, but the top half appears to show the hand of God emerging from a cloud and brandishing a chicken drumstick. WTF? Also, isn't this team basically financed by a Russian bank? I'm _sure_ it's all on the up-and-up. Ben D.S., Noble Dacha Cycling Team
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 10:58:08
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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In article <1167901444.042855.307780@i80g2000cwc.googlegroups.com > , "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote: > amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote: > > DA74 wrote: > > > http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=photos/2007/news/jan07/tinkoff_train/Tinkoff5876 > > > > dumbass drug sports are awesome, i will be the biggest tinkoff fan. > > > > -capucchino machine's attack into sestriere > > -riis on the hautacam > > -pantani putting 9 mins into ullrich on the galibier > > -mcguire's 70 HRs, '98 was the shit, even the balls were juiced: > > (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2719191) > > -hamilton soloing into bayonne with a broken collarbone > > -landis on stage 17. > > -james brown > > > > need i say more ? > > Dude, you are going to have to be high on something to bear > looking at that crazy Tinkoff kit for more than a few seconds > at a time. It is making my eyes cross. I also cannot figure > out the heraldic symbols on the coat of arms on the team > car. The bottom half of the shield is a unicorn rampant, OK, > but the top half appears to show the hand of God emerging > from a cloud and brandishing a chicken drumstick. WTF? Unicorn passant. > Also, isn't this team basically financed by a Russian bank? > I'm _sure_ it's all on the up-and-up. Yeah. Dick Pound tells them to suspend a rider for suspicion of drug use, and they will stare blankly at him; then either hand over a satchel of gold bricks or beat him senseless. > Ben > D.S., Noble Dacha Cycling Team -- Michael Press
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 15:22:22
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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Michael Press wrote: > Yeah. Dick Pound tells them to suspend a rider for > suspicion of drug use, and they will stare blankly at > him; then either hand over a satchel of gold bricks or > beat him senseless. Or beat him senseless with a satchel of gold bricks. Anyway he's senseless by default.
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 18:41:35
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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In article <459e4fe3$0$16106$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >, Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote: > Michael Press wrote: > > Yeah. Dick Pound tells them to suspend a rider for > > suspicion of drug use, and they will stare blankly at > > him; then either hand over a satchel of gold bricks or > > beat him senseless. > > Or beat him senseless with a satchel of gold bricks. Anyway he's senseless > by default. Yes, I knew that ... five seconds after pushing the `send' button. Happy New Year. -- Michael Press
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 00:01:06
From: Hroller
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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On 4 Jan 2007 01:04:04 -0800, "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote: >amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote: >> DA74 wrote: >> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=photos/2007/news/jan07/tinkoff_train/Tinkoff5876 >> >car. The bottom half of the shield is a unicorn rampant, OK, >but the top half appears to show the hand of God emerging >from a cloud and brandishing a chicken drumstick. WTF? That unicorn is not rampant. Rampant is standing, two left off the ground. and much more vertical than that. As for the arm, it looks like Ronald McDonalds arm to me... Hroller McKnutt Pornstar, Mad Scientist, Genius for Hire Girls chased and caught!
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 05:21:48
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote: > I also cannot figure > out the heraldic symbols on the coat of arms on the team > car. The bottom half of the shield is a unicorn rampant, OK, > but the top half appears to show the hand of God emerging > from a cloud and brandishing a chicken drumstick. WTF? Comes as no surprise to me that God favors KFC. If man was made in God's image, He is most likely a Master's Fatty. The unicorn represents the fairy tale that is Hamilton's doping defense.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 11:42:26
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote: > The bottom half of the shield is a unicorn rampant, OK, > but the top half appears to show the hand of God emerging > from a cloud and brandishing a chicken drumstick. WTF? Dumbass, That's Colonel Sanders hand.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 00:16:37
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote: > On 3 Jan 2007 23:01:23 -0800, DA74 wrote: > > By the way, I'm still glad Commesso didn't beat Fedrigo in Stage 14 > > going into Gap in '06. Commesso rode like a choad and kept refusing to > > take pulls. He was just sitting back there on the wheel like a pussy > > shrugging his shoulders. Fedrigo took it like a champ and drove on in > > spite of these nonsensical tactics. > > > > And then that pudgy no-neck little fucker attacks at 1k to go? WTF? > > If he'd won, it would have been the right tactic. That's also why > LANCE's "get dropped then" was so moronic. dumbass, the tactic that wins is always defensible, but despite that i'd say 75% of the jawing, arguments, intimidation and fights at races originate with someone tryng to get another rider to work more in a break.
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 09:35:27
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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On 4 Jan 2007 00:16:37 -0800, amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote: > the tactic that wins is always defensible, but despite that i'd say 75% > of the jawing, arguments, intimidation and fights at races originate > with someone tryng to get another rider to work more in a break. So? They're just trying to maximise their own chances of winning. -- E. Dronkert
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 00:12:17
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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DA74 wrote: > http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=photos/2007/news/jan07/tinkoff_train/Tinkoff5876 dumbass drug sports are awesome, i will be the biggest tinkoff fan. -capucchino machine's attack into sestriere -riis on the hautacam -pantani putting 9 mins into ullrich on the galibier -mcguire's 70 HRs, '98 was the shit, even the balls were juiced: (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2719191) -hamilton soloing into bayonne with a broken collarbone -landis on stage 17. -james brown need i say more ?
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 10:49:40
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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In article <1167898337.655828.241000@31g2000cwt.googlegroups.com >, "amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote: > DA74 wrote: > > http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=photos/2007/news/jan07/tinkoff_train/Tinkoff5876 > > dumbass drug sports are awesome, i will be the biggest tinkoff fan. > > -capucchino machine's attack into sestriere > -riis on the hautacam > -pantani putting 9 mins into ullrich on the galibier > -mcguire's 70 HRs, '98 was the shit, even the balls were juiced: > (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2719191) > -hamilton soloing into bayonne with a broken collarbone > -landis on stage 17. > -james brown > > need i say more ? -Salvatore Commesso punching Torsten Schmidt. -- Michael Press
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 23:01:23
From: DA74
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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DA74 wrote: > http://www.cyclingnews.com/newsphotos.php?id=photos/2007/news/jan07/tinkoff_train/Tinkoff5876 By the way, I'm still glad Commesso didn't beat Fedrigo in Stage 14 going into Gap in '06. Commesso rode like a choad and kept refusing to take pulls. He was just sitting back there on the wheel like a pussy shrugging his shoulders. Fedrigo took it like a champ and drove on in spite of these nonsensical tactics. And then that pudgy no-neck little fucker attacks at 1k to go? WTF? Where's that little French girl with the mussette bag when you need her? Thanks, DA74
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 08:39:50
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: Two out of three confirmed dopers prefer Tinkoff
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On 3 Jan 2007 23:01:23 -0800, DA74 wrote: > By the way, I'm still glad Commesso didn't beat Fedrigo in Stage 14 > going into Gap in '06. Commesso rode like a choad and kept refusing to > take pulls. He was just sitting back there on the wheel like a pussy > shrugging his shoulders. Fedrigo took it like a champ and drove on in > spite of these nonsensical tactics. > > And then that pudgy no-neck little fucker attacks at 1k to go? WTF? If he'd won, it would have been the right tactic. That's also why LANCE's "get dropped then" was so moronic. -- E. Dronkert
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