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Date: 24 May 2007 13:25:30
From: Jan
Subject: UCI and Doping solution
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The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling forums.
It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI admin@uci.ch . Although we
disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to instantly clean the
sport up,- while there is still time. Please forward to the the UCI. It
might just work!!
thanks
Jan
I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the
sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with
credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that an
amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in the past
to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded and sponsors
pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until a date to get clean,
then anyone caught should be thrown out of cycling for good. This gives them
no excuse and can make cycling credible again. I would dearly love to see
clean riders battling it out heart and mind against each other in the
knowledge that this is their physical limits and they really are trying.
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Date: 25 May 2007 05:33:52
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: UCI and Doping solution
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On May 24, 10:17 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
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> The "throw 'em out for good" policy is why we've got this goddamn mess in the
> first place. We already have that. Look at a calender and a racer's career
> expectency the present policy is about the same. By the time a guy is winning
> races he's in the fat part of his career and a 2 + 2 ban will have him out of it
> and over.
Hmmm. I see where you're going - in utero doping. Get them started
early so when they get suspended, they're only 20.
R
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Date: 25 May 2007 09:37:35
From: Caroline
Subject: Re: UCI and Doping solution
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"Jan" <jan@freeinternet.com > wrote in message
news:5blehqF2spnt6U1@mid.individual.net...
> The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling
> forums.
> It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI admin@uci.ch . Although we
> disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to instantly clean the
> sport up,- while there is still time. Please forward to the the UCI. It
> might just work!!
>
> thanks
>
> Jan
>
>
>
> I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the
> sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with
> credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that an
> amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in the past
> to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded and sponsors
> pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until a date to get
> clean, then anyone caught should be thrown out of cycling for good. This
> gives them no excuse and can make cycling credible again. I would dearly
> love to see clean riders battling it out heart and mind against each other
> in the knowledge that this is their physical limits and they really are
> trying.
>
And how about banning all of the team officials who were in charge when the
doping went on? Get the real dirt out of the sport, give amnesty to the
athletes, and get on with the show!
Caroline
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Date: 24 May 2007 20:50:11
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: UCI and Doping solution
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In article <5blehqF2spnt6U1@mid.individual.net >,
"Jan" <jan@freeinternet.com > wrote:
> The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling forums.
> It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI admin@uci.ch . Although we
> disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to instantly clean the
> sport up,- while there is still time. Please forward to the the UCI. It
> might just work!!
>
> thanks
>
> Jan
>
>
>
> I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the
> sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with
> credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that an
> amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in the past
> to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded and sponsors
> pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until a date to get clean,
> then anyone caught should be thrown out of cycling for good. This gives them
> no excuse and can make cycling credible again. I would dearly love to see
> clean riders battling it out heart and mind against each other in the
> knowledge that this is their physical limits and they really are trying.
How about amnesty for those who do not admit to doping?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 24 May 2007 20:18:29
From:
Subject: Re: UCI and Doping solution
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"Jan" <jan@freeinternet.com > a écrit dans le message de news:
5blehqF2spnt6U1@mid.individual.net...
> The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling
> forums.
> It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI admin@uci.ch . Although we
> disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to instantly clean the
> sport up,- while there is still time. Please forward to the the UCI. It
> might just work!!
>
> thanks
>
> Jan
>
>
>
> I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the
> sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with
> credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that an
> amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in the past
> to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded and sponsors
> pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until a date to get
> clean, then anyone caught should be thrown out of cycling for good. This
> gives them no excuse and can make cycling credible again. I would dearly
> love to see clean riders battling it out heart and mind against each other
> in the knowledge that this is their physical limits and they really are
> trying.
>
I agree with the idea of the amnesty for the drug takers as soon as the
cheaters give the stolen money back.
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Date: 24 May 2007 14:48:01
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: UCI and Doping solution
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:18:29 +0200, <Montesquiou > wrote:
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>I agree with the idea of the amnesty for the drug takers as soon as the
>cheaters give the stolen money back.
To who? The promoters that knew that cheating was rampant and made the
real money from it? The next racer who may or may not have been
cheating? Our Little Sisters of Mercy who, as far as I know, have not
been tested, period?
Put a statute of limitations on the infraction for penalties within
the sport - the UCI will have no impact on some prosecutor with
evidence of a real crime. Don't change it. Let everyone know that
after a certain date, they can talk until they are blue in the face
and history remains history and not subject to any official discussion
- leave the past to the historians and the books.
That way you don't have self-serving confessions or the issue of
confessions threading the needle to avoid implicating friends.
Everyone wants WADA and UCI to focus on the future? That is simply a
matter of making the decision to do so. Since they are the same people
that will have to sign off on this 'amnesty', the amnesty really isn't
needed.
And the other problem with amnesties is that they're like potato chips
- if they work at all, you won't have just one.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 24 May 2007 21:29:42
From:
Subject: Re: UCI and Doping solution
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"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org > a écrit dans le message de
news: vaqb5318e441j39a05obqj04e31qhhpjl2@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 20:18:29 +0200, <Montesquiou> wrote:
>
>>
>>I agree with the idea of the amnesty for the drug takers as soon as the
>>cheaters give the stolen money back.
>
> To who? The promoters that knew that cheating was rampant and made the
> real money from it? The next racer who may or may not have been
> cheating? Our Little Sisters of Mercy who, as far as I know, have not
> been tested, period?
>
> Put a statute of limitations on the infraction for penalties within
> the sport - the UCI will have no impact on some prosecutor with
> evidence of a real crime. Don't change it. Let everyone know that
> after a certain date, they can talk until they are blue in the face
> and history remains history and not subject to any official discussion
> - leave the past to the historians and the books.
>
> That way you don't have self-serving confessions or the issue of
> confessions threading the needle to avoid implicating friends.
> Everyone wants WADA and UCI to focus on the future? That is simply a
> matter of making the decision to do so. Since they are the same people
> that will have to sign off on this 'amnesty', the amnesty really isn't
> needed.
>
> And the other problem with amnesties is that they're like potato chips
> - if they work at all, you won't have just one.
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...
Curtis,
Let say that I agree with you. My post was a little bit 'ironic'.
Amnesty never solved any problem. It is a recompense for the cheater and
inequity for the innocents.
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Date: 24 May 2007 10:17:28
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: UCI and Doping solution
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:25:30 +0100, "Jan" <jan@freeinternet.com > wrote:
>The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling forums.
>It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI admin@uci.ch . Although we
>disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to instantly clean the
>sport up,- while there is still time. Please forward to the the UCI. It
>might just work!!
>
>thanks
>
>Jan
>
>
>
> I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the
>sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with
>credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that an
>amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in the past
>to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded and sponsors
>pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until a date to get clean,
>then anyone caught should be thrown out of cycling for good. This gives them
>no excuse and can make cycling credible again. I would dearly love to see
>clean riders battling it out heart and mind against each other in the
>knowledge that this is their physical limits and they really are trying.
NO.
The "throw 'em out for good" policy is why we've got this goddamn mess in the
first place. We already have that. Look at a calender and a racer's career
expectency the present policy is about the same. By the time a guy is winning
races he's in the fat part of his career and a 2 + 2 ban will have him out of it
and over.
If a doping charge ends a rider's career then no rider will ever admit or give
evidence against another.
How about just develop an intelligent, comprehensive and reasonable policy the
way other professional sports have and enforce it consistently, professionally
and without Dick Pound public accusations without evidence. Leave out the drama.
Ron
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Date: 24 May 2007 15:33:14
From: Jan
Subject: Re: UCI and Doping solution
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RonSonic wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:25:30 +0100, "Jan" <jan@freeinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling
>> forums. It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI admin@uci.ch .
>> Although we disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to
>> instantly clean the sport up,- while there is still time. Please
>> forward to the the UCI. It might just work!!
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the
>> sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with
>> credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that
>> an amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in
>> the past to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded
>> and sponsors pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until
>> a date to get clean, then anyone caught should be thrown out of
>> cycling for good. This gives them no excuse and can make cycling
>> credible again. I would dearly love to see clean riders battling it
>> out heart and mind against each other in the knowledge that this is
>> their physical limits and they really are trying.
>
> NO.
>
> The "throw 'em out for good" policy is why we've got this goddamn
> mess in the first place. We already have that. Look at a calender and
> a racer's career expectency the present policy is about the same. By
> the time a guy is winning races he's in the fat part of his career
> and a 2 + 2 ban will have him out of it and over.
I'm not to hot on American- English but
I do believe you are agreeing with us, on that point.
>
> If a doping charge ends a rider's career then no rider will ever
> admit or give evidence against another.
That's why we propose an amnesty
>
> How about just develop an intelligent, comprehensive and reasonable
> policy the way other professional sports have and enforce it
> consistently, professionally and without Dick Pound public
> accusations without evidence. Leave out the drama.
Like in Athletics, Baseball and American football? ;-)
>
> Ron
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Date: 24 May 2007 11:55:01
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: UCI and Doping solution
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On Thu, 24 May 2007 15:33:14 +0100, "Jan" <jan@freeinternet.com > wrote:
>RonSonic wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:25:30 +0100, "Jan" <jan@freeinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling
>>> forums. It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI admin@uci.ch .
>>> Although we disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to
>>> instantly clean the sport up,- while there is still time. Please
>>> forward to the the UCI. It might just work!!
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the
>>> sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with
>>> credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that
>>> an amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in
>>> the past to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded
>>> and sponsors pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until
>>> a date to get clean, then anyone caught should be thrown out of
>>> cycling for good. This gives them no excuse and can make cycling
>>> credible again. I would dearly love to see clean riders battling it
>>> out heart and mind against each other in the knowledge that this is
>>> their physical limits and they really are trying.
>>
>> NO.
>>
>> The "throw 'em out for good" policy is why we've got this goddamn
>> mess in the first place. We already have that. Look at a calender and
>> a racer's career expectency the present policy is about the same. By
>> the time a guy is winning races he's in the fat part of his career
>> and a 2 + 2 ban will have him out of it and over.
>
>I'm not to hot on American- English but
>I do believe you are agreeing with us, on that point.
No, I am very strongly disagreeing with the idea of a permanent ban. It is
counterproductive.
>> If a doping charge ends a rider's career then no rider will ever
>> admit or give evidence against another.
>
>That's why we propose an amnesty
And what about next year or the year after and five years after that. A
draconian penalty that is rarely enforced and difficult to enforce will have
poorer results than a mild penalty that is easy to enforce reliably.
>> How about just develop an intelligent, comprehensive and reasonable
>> policy the way other professional sports have and enforce it
>> consistently, professionally and without Dick Pound public
>> accusations without evidence. Leave out the drama.
>
>Like in Athletics, Baseball and American football? ;-)
Yes. All of those have drug problems - all of humanity has drug problems. But
all of which have far less drug problem than does bike racing. That they are
imperfect and serve up the occasional scandal does not make them bad examples
for a sport that seems to live in a state of perpetual disgrace.
Baseball, Football, Metric Football have nothing like the disaster that cycling
is going through.
Ron
Ron
Effect pedal demo's up at http://www.soundclick.com/ronsonicpedalry
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Date: 24 May 2007 23:38:22
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: UCI and Doping solution
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In article <apcb53d4msqf8p42unha1009rjet0psbf9@4ax.com >,
RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 24 May 2007 15:33:14 +0100, "Jan" <jan@freeinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >RonSonic wrote:
> >> On Thu, 24 May 2007 13:25:30 +0100, "Jan" <jan@freeinternet.com>
> >> wrote:
> >Like in Athletics, Baseball and American football? ;-)
>
> Yes. All of those have drug problems - all of humanity has drug problems. But
> all of which have far less drug problem than does bike racing. That they are
> imperfect and serve up the occasional scandal does not make them bad examples
> for a sport that seems to live in a state of perpetual disgrace.
>
> Baseball, Football, Metric Football have nothing like the disaster that
> cycling is going through.
I suspect that those other sports may have as much or more drug *use* than cycling
but they certainly have a lesser drug *problem* due to the way they've handled it.
The very public airing of the laundry in cycling hasn't helped the public's view of
the situation at all. I wonder if there are any polls out there that might show how
people feel about it (particularly in Europe).
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 24 May 2007 07:16:16
From: bdbafh
Subject: Re: UCI and Doping solution
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On May 24, 8:25 am, "Jan" <j...@freeinternet.com > wrote:
> The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling forums.
> It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI a...@uci.ch . Although we
> disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to instantly clean the
> sport up,- while there is still time. Please forward to the the UCI. It
> might just work!!
>
> thanks
>
> Jan
>
> I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the
> sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with
> credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that an
> amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in the past
> to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded and sponsors
> pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until a date to get clean,
> then anyone caught should be thrown out of cycling for good. This gives them
> no excuse and can make cycling credible again. I would dearly love to see
> clean riders battling it out heart and mind against each other in the
> knowledge that this is their physical limits and they really are trying.
Who is going to provide the testing?
Perhaps it is not only the Peleton that has lost credibility - or did
LNDD never have credibility in the first place?
-bdbafh
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Date: 24 May 2007 05:58:24
From:
Subject: Re: UCI and Doping solution
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On May 24, 1:25 pm, "Jan" <j...@freeinternet.com > wrote:
> The following has been drafted by a member of the Eurosport Cycling forums.
> It is suggested that it be sent to the UCI a...@uci.ch . Although we
> disagree with doping. This does seem a logical way to instantly clean the
> sport up,- while there is still time. Please forward to the the UCI. It
> might just work!!
>
> thanks
>
> Jan
>
> I would like to propose an idea of an amnesty for drug takers in the
> sport. As is plainly obvious, the current system is not working, with
> credibilty in cycling diminishing day by day. Therefore, I feel that an
> amnesty would be a good option. It allows those who have doped in the past
> to come out and admit it, without fear of being reprimanded and sponsors
> pulling out, as is happening right now. Give them until a date to get clean,
> then anyone caught should be thrown out of cycling for good. This gives them
> no excuse and can make cycling credible again. I would dearly love to see
> clean riders battling it out heart and mind against each other in the
> knowledge that this is their physical limits and they really are trying.
Sounds like a plan to me, but will we ever trust the peloton again?
Let's give it a crack.
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Date: 24 May 2007 10:25:41
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: UCI and Doping solution
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On 24 May 2007 05:58:24 -0700, garythomas@medinland.com wrote:
>Sounds like a plan to me, but will we ever trust the peloton again?
>Let's give it a crack.
That crack about crack was subtle...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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