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Date: 13 Oct 2007 10:17:49
From: Crescentius Vespasianus
Subject: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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Eddy was the Bach, the Mozart of pro
cycling, while Lance knew how to play
chopsticks real fast. Consider this, if
Lance had never been born than Ullrich
would have won the Tour all those times.
I don't think anyone really would
compare Ullrich to Eddy, but they would
compare Ullrich and Lance, as they were
pretty close. It was also more
competitive in Eddy's day, if you didn't
win, you didn't eat. Poverty is a great
motivator. Now contrast that to Levi,
someone who has no results, and where
his fastest moves are to deposit the
giant checks he gets just for showing
up. Levi would like to win, but he
really doesn't have to win. That's the
difference.
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Date: 13 Oct 2007 21:01:30
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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"Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:13h1vsm3behldd1@corp.supernews.com...
> Eddy was the Bach, the Mozart of pro cycling, while Lance knew how to play
> chopsticks real fast. Consider this, if Lance had never been born than
> Ullrich would have won the Tour all those times. I don't think anyone
> really would compare Ullrich to Eddy, but they would compare Ullrich and
> Lance, as they were pretty close. It was also more competitive in Eddy's
> day, if you didn't win, you didn't eat. Poverty is a great motivator.
> Now contrast that to Levi, someone who has no results, and where his
> fastest moves are to deposit the giant checks he gets just for showing up.
> Levi would like to win, but he really doesn't have to win. That's the
> difference.
Ludo Diercxksens was the all time best. No one else can even begin to
compare. Eddy, Lance, Bernard, all second class citizens.
http://www.ludodierckxsens.be/
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Date: 13 Oct 2007 14:18:34
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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> Consider this, if Lance had never been born than Ullrich would have won
> the Tour all those times.
Not a chance. Ulrich might have won 2 or 3, maybe. But Lance rarely had
issues with flats, crashes, or just plain bad luck. The breaks nearly always
went his way. That is definitely *not* something you can say for Jan. It can
even be argued that Jan has got a self-destructive thing going on.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:13h1vsm3behldd1@corp.supernews.com...
> Eddy was the Bach, the Mozart of pro cycling, while Lance knew how to play
> chopsticks real fast. Consider this, if Lance had never been born than
> Ullrich would have won the Tour all those times. I don't think anyone
> really would compare Ullrich to Eddy, but they would compare Ullrich and
> Lance, as they were pretty close. It was also more competitive in Eddy's
> day, if you didn't win, you didn't eat. Poverty is a great motivator.
> Now contrast that to Levi, someone who has no results, and where his
> fastest moves are to deposit the giant checks he gets just for showing up.
> Levi would like to win, but he really doesn't have to win. That's the
> difference.
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 22:24:16
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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In article <PCaQi.3045$sm6.2257@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com >,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> > Consider this, if Lance had never been born than Ullrich would have won
> > the Tour all those times.
>
> Not a chance. Ulrich might have won 2 or 3, maybe. But Lance rarely had
> issues with flats, crashes, or just plain bad luck. The breaks nearly always
> went his way. That is definitely *not* something you can say for Jan. It can
> even be argued that Jan has got a self-destructive thing going on.
Luck is the residue of planning.
-- Benjamin Franklin
--
Michael Press
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 15:46:42
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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>> > Consider this, if Lance had never been born than Ullrich would have won
>> > the Tour all those times.
>>
>> Not a chance. Ulrich might have won 2 or 3, maybe. But Lance rarely had
>> issues with flats, crashes, or just plain bad luck. The breaks nearly
>> always
>> went his way. That is definitely *not* something you can say for Jan. It
>> can
>> even be argued that Jan has got a self-destructive thing going on.
>
> Luck is the residue of planning.
> -- Benjamin Franklin
Absolutely agree with Mr. Franklin. Lance, as they say, left nothing to
chance. And it showed. It really does make a difference.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:rubrum-F86C58.22241614102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> In article <PCaQi.3045$sm6.2257@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> "Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com> wrote:
>
>> > Consider this, if Lance had never been born than Ullrich would have won
>> > the Tour all those times.
>>
>> Not a chance. Ulrich might have won 2 or 3, maybe. But Lance rarely had
>> issues with flats, crashes, or just plain bad luck. The breaks nearly
>> always
>> went his way. That is definitely *not* something you can say for Jan. It
>> can
>> even be argued that Jan has got a self-destructive thing going on.
>
> Luck is the residue of planning.
> -- Benjamin Franklin
>
> --
> Michael Press
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Date: 13 Oct 2007 14:50:55
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
It was also more
> competitive in Eddy's day, if you didn't win, you didn't eat. Poverty
> is a great motivator.
In Eddy's day, there was no money, no television coverage. Sounds like
a great reason to be motivated.
You're so fucking retarded it's not even funny.
Thanks,
Magilla
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Date: 13 Oct 2007 15:37:15
From: Crescentius Vespasianus
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
>
> It was also more
>> competitive in Eddy's day, if you didn't win, you didn't eat. Poverty
>> is a great motivator.
>
>
>
> In Eddy's day, there was no money, no television coverage. Sounds like
> a great reason to be motivated.
>
> You're so fucking retarded it's not even funny.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Magilla
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I think you hit on something. That's
probably why I don't give that last 10%
that's needed myself, ......because
there isn't any television coverage or
money. Or maybe it's because I know the
ones at the front are juiced.
Regardless of what motivated them,
someday they will construct a mammoth
statue of a cyclist, and it will be of
Eddy, not of Lance.
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 01:14:34
From: Benjo Maso
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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"Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com > schreef in bericht
news:13h2ijk787j22c6@corp.supernews.com...
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>> Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
>>
>> It was also more
>>> competitive in Eddy's day, if you didn't win, you didn't eat. Poverty
>>> is a great motivator.
>>
>>
>>
>> In Eddy's day, there was no money, no television coverage. Sounds like a
>> great reason to be motivated.
>>
>> You're so fucking retarded it's not even funny.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Magilla
> -----------------
> I think you hit on something. That's probably why I don't give that last
> 10% that's needed myself, ......because there isn't any television
> coverage or money. Or maybe it's because I know the ones at the front are
> juiced.
>
> Regardless of what motivated them, someday they will construct a mammoth
> statue of a cyclist, and it will be of Eddy, not of Lance.
... setting aside that there was money and there was television: from 1962
on all the stages in the Tour and all the classics were televised life
(Merckx became professional in 1965).
Benjo
Benjo
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 10:14:16
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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Benjo Maso wrote:
> ... setting aside that there was money and there was television: from 1962
> on all the stages in the Tour and all the classics were televised life
> (Merckx became professional in 1965).
Some Americans probably think Europe was an uncivilized wasteland with
no television back in 1962 (An uncivilized wasteland is defined as a
place where there are no McDonald's outlets).
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 17:05:51
From: Benjo Maso
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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"Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > schreef in bericht
news:4711cfd9$0$2889$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
> Benjo Maso wrote:
>> ... setting aside that there was money and there was television: from
>> 1962
>> on all the stages in the Tour and all the classics were televised life
>> (Merckx became professional in 1965).
>
> Some Americans probably think Europe was an uncivilized wasteland with
> no television back in 1962 (An uncivilized wasteland is defined as a
> place where there are no McDonald's outlets).
It's true that the first MacDonald in France opened only in 1984. Also the
year that for the first time there was an American on the Tour de France
podium. Can't be a coincidence.
Benjo
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 16:22:36
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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Benjo Maso wrote:
> It's true that the first MacDonald in France opened only in 1984. Also the
> year that for the first time there was an American on the Tour de France
> podium. Can't be a coincidence.
I bet that American wished McDonalds sold ice cream.
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 06:34:22
From: Mike Murray
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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As I recall, I was in a MacD in France in 1979.
--
Mike Murray
"Benjo Maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > wrote in message
news:5nepj2FhogpkU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> schreef in bericht
> news:4711cfd9$0$2889$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
>> Benjo Maso wrote:
>>> ... setting aside that there was money and there was television: from
>>> 1962
>>> on all the stages in the Tour and all the classics were televised life
>>> (Merckx became professional in 1965).
>>
>> Some Americans probably think Europe was an uncivilized wasteland with
>> no television back in 1962 (An uncivilized wasteland is defined as a
>> place where there are no McDonald's outlets).
>
> It's true that the first MacDonald in France opened only in 1984. Also the
> year that for the first time there was an American on the Tour de France
> podium. Can't be a coincidence.
>
> Benjo
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 22:45:17
From: Benjo Maso
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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"Mike Murray" <mike.murray@obra.org > schreef in bericht
news:DeWdnXZBhbI8847anZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
> As I recall, I was in a MacD in France in 1979.
Yes, you're right, the first French `McDo' was opened in 1972, but went into
trouble. The last McDonald in Paris was closed in 1982, but reopened in 1984
"in its second French incarnation" (that's what I remembered).
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE0D61330F931A25755C0A96E948260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
Benjo
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Date: 13 Oct 2007 10:34:37
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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On Oct 13, 1:17 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> Eddy was the Bach, the Mozart of pro
> cycling, while Lance knew how to play
> chopsticks real fast.
congratulations, you are a cycling journalist.
> It was also more
> competitive in Eddy's day, if you didn't
> win, you didn't eat.
that's horseshit, was cycling the only job around ?
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Date: 13 Oct 2007 23:16:42
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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In article <1192296877.130315.20930@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
"amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Oct 13, 1:17 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Eddy was the Bach, the Mozart of pro
> > cycling, while Lance knew how to play
> > chopsticks real fast.
>
> congratulations, you are a cycling journalist.
Yeah, but he's no musicologist. Otherwise he would have made the obvious
"Lance was Franz Liszt" comparison.
> > It was also more
> > competitive in Eddy's day, if you didn't
> > win, you didn't eat.
>
> that's horseshit, was cycling the only job around ?
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 22:22:16
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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In article
<rcousine-DC8D0D.16165113102007@news.telus.net >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <1192296877.130315.20930@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> "amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 13, 1:17 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Eddy was the Bach, the Mozart of pro
> > > cycling, while Lance knew how to play
> > > chopsticks real fast.
> >
> > congratulations, you are a cycling journalist.
>
> Yeah, but he's no musicologist. Otherwise he would have made the obvious
> "Lance was Franz Liszt" comparison.
Did Franz date his mom?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 06:34:50
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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In article <rubrum-DB00BD.22221614102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net >,
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
> <rcousine-DC8D0D.16165113102007@news.telus.net>,
> Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
> > In article <1192296877.130315.20930@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> > "amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Oct 13, 1:17 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Eddy was the Bach, the Mozart of pro
> > > > cycling, while Lance knew how to play
> > > > chopsticks real fast.
> > >
> > > congratulations, you are a cycling journalist.
> >
> > Yeah, but he's no musicologist. Otherwise he would have made the obvious
> > "Lance was Franz Liszt" comparison.
>
> Did Franz date his mom?
"Google it." -Ben Franklin (truly, a man ahead of his time).
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 03:50:38
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote in
news:rcousine-DC8D0D.16165113102007@news.telus.net:
> In article <1192296877.130315.20930@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> "amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 13, 1:17 pm, Crescentius Vespasianus <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Eddy was the Bach, the Mozart of pro
>> > cycling, while Lance knew how to play
>> > chopsticks real fast.
>>
>> congratulations, you are a cycling journalist.
>
> Yeah, but he's no musicologist. Otherwise he would have made the
> obvious "Lance was Franz Liszt" comparison.
Is Vandenbroucke the Syd Barrett of cycling?
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 10:05:29
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
>>> > Eddy was the Bach, the Mozart of pro
>>> > cycling, while Lance knew how to play
>>> > chopsticks real fast.
amit.ghosh wrote:
>>> congratulations, you are a cycling journalist.
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>> Yeah, but he's no musicologist. Otherwise he would have made the
>> obvious "Lance was Franz Liszt" comparison.
William Asher wrote:
> Is Vandenbroucke the Syd Barrett of cycling?
Shine on you crazy diamond or set the controls for the heart of
the sun.
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 16:38:19
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Ullrich, Eddy & Levi....
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Donald Munro wrote:
> Crescentius Vespasianus wrote:
>>>> > Eddy was the Bach, the Mozart of pro
>>>> > cycling, while Lance knew how to play
>>>> > chopsticks real fast.
>
> amit.ghosh wrote:
>>>> congratulations, you are a cycling journalist.
>
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
>>> Yeah, but he's no musicologist. Otherwise he would have made the
>>> obvious "Lance was Franz Liszt" comparison.
>
> William Asher wrote:
>> Is Vandenbroucke the Syd Barrett of cycling?
>
> Shine on you crazy diamond or set the controls for the heart of
> the sun.
Barrett did write "Bike."
--
Bill Asher
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