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Date: 17 Jan 2007 03:00:18
From: Keith
Subject: Ullrich's last stand ?
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Looks like it's time for Ullrich to face the music with that DNA test
ordered in Germany for some reason. At this point he might as well go
with it and hope for an "unconclusive" result, who knows. That would
likely get him a seat in a Pro-Tour Team to end his career. Bad news
for all the others and partciularly Basso though who would have to
submit to the same kind of testing.
Like Legay said, this is probably the only way out of this Puerto
mess.
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Date: 18 Jan 2007 13:47:54
From:
Subject: Re: Ullrich's last stand ?
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I'm gonna start my own team, Bob's doughnut shop as sponsor. we won't
actually be able to pay Jan to race with us, but I plan to entice him
with lots of free doughnuts. might as well since he can't get hired
any where else.......we also have access to discounted coffee,
unfortunately no ecstasy though
cycledogg wrote:
> Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:21:52 -0500, MagillaGorilla
> > <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >This is hilarious because we all know Ullbitch's DNA is going to match
> > >one of those Puerto Rican cooler bags in Spain. The motherfucker took
> > >ecstacy and he wears an earring. The circumstantial evidence he did it
> > >is already present.
> > >
> > >And once Ullbitch's DNA match is confirmed, it will open up the
> > >floodgates for other riders' DNA testing. And then we'll see how
> > >ethical the Italian federation looks when Basso's DNA matches after they
> > >already "cleared" him.
> >
> > What we don't all know is whether the DNA sample obtained for a
> > criminal case can be extended to non-criminal situations, much less
> > whether the case of a cyclist who is the subject of a criminal
> > investigation (Ullrich) has much to do with what happens in a
> > non-criminal procedure involving another cyclist altogether.
> >
> > If these other cyclists aren't the objects of criminal investigations
> > or probes, I don't see that it is so evident that we will know
> > anything new about Basso or his blood bags or that any floodgates will
> > open for other DNA testing.
> >
> > My $ 100 says that your floodgates - even if Ullrich has a DNA match -
> > won't amount to more than five additional athletes, other than from
> > the current German criminal investigations, tested by December 31,
> > 2007 from the Puerto cases. Including non-cyclists. Bet? They don't
> > even have to match.
> >
> > Curtis L. Russell
> > Odenton, MD (USA)
> > Just someone on two wheels..
>
> My money says that LA and Company keeps Basso clear of any wrong
> doings.
> Rick in Tennessee
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Date: 19 Jan 2007 09:10:28
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Ullrich's last stand ?
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On 18 Jan 2007 13:47:54 -0800, batesrt@hotmail.com wrote:
>I'm gonna start my own team, Bob's doughnut shop as sponsor. we won't
>actually be able to pay Jan to race with us, but I plan to entice him
>with lots of free doughnuts. might as well since he can't get hired
>any where else.......we also have access to discounted coffee,
>unfortunately no ecstasy though
So what's WADA's position on transubstantiated fats or whatever they
call them?
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 18 Jan 2007 06:07:11
From: cycledogg
Subject: Re: Ullrich's last stand ?
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:21:52 -0500, MagillaGorilla
> <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote:
>
> >This is hilarious because we all know Ullbitch's DNA is going to match
> >one of those Puerto Rican cooler bags in Spain. The motherfucker took
> >ecstacy and he wears an earring. The circumstantial evidence he did it
> >is already present.
> >
> >And once Ullbitch's DNA match is confirmed, it will open up the
> >floodgates for other riders' DNA testing. And then we'll see how
> >ethical the Italian federation looks when Basso's DNA matches after they
> >already "cleared" him.
>
> What we don't all know is whether the DNA sample obtained for a
> criminal case can be extended to non-criminal situations, much less
> whether the case of a cyclist who is the subject of a criminal
> investigation (Ullrich) has much to do with what happens in a
> non-criminal procedure involving another cyclist altogether.
>
> If these other cyclists aren't the objects of criminal investigations
> or probes, I don't see that it is so evident that we will know
> anything new about Basso or his blood bags or that any floodgates will
> open for other DNA testing.
>
> My $ 100 says that your floodgates - even if Ullrich has a DNA match -
> won't amount to more than five additional athletes, other than from
> the current German criminal investigations, tested by December 31,
> 2007 from the Puerto cases. Including non-cyclists. Bet? They don't
> even have to match.
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels..
My money says that LA and Company keeps Basso clear of any wrong
doings.
Rick in Tennessee
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Date: 19 Jan 2007 02:05:32
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Ullrich's last stand ?
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In article
<1169129231.152614.271720@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com >,
"cycledogg" <cycledogg@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> > On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:21:52 -0500, MagillaGorilla
> > <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >This is hilarious because we all know Ullbitch's DNA is going to match
> > >one of those Puerto Rican cooler bags in Spain. The motherfucker took
> > >ecstacy and he wears an earring. The circumstantial evidence he did it
> > >is already present.
> > >
> > >And once Ullbitch's DNA match is confirmed, it will open up the
> > >floodgates for other riders' DNA testing. And then we'll see how
> > >ethical the Italian federation looks when Basso's DNA matches after they
> > >already "cleared" him.
> >
> > What we don't all know is whether the DNA sample obtained for a
> > criminal case can be extended to non-criminal situations, much less
> > whether the case of a cyclist who is the subject of a criminal
> > investigation (Ullrich) has much to do with what happens in a
> > non-criminal procedure involving another cyclist altogether.
> >
> > If these other cyclists aren't the objects of criminal investigations
> > or probes, I don't see that it is so evident that we will know
> > anything new about Basso or his blood bags or that any floodgates will
> > open for other DNA testing.
> >
> > My $ 100 says that your floodgates - even if Ullrich has a DNA match -
> > won't amount to more than five additional athletes, other than from
> > the current German criminal investigations, tested by December 31,
> > 2007 from the Puerto cases. Including non-cyclists. Bet? They don't
> > even have to match.
> >
> > Curtis L. Russell
> > Odenton, MD (USA)
> > Just someone on two wheels..
>
> My money says that LA and Company keeps Basso clear of any wrong
> doings.
As does LA et Cie's money.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 08:04:05
From: Jeff Jones
Subject: Re: Ullrich's last stand ?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
> > if the DNA came from the raid at ullrich's house last fall, it was
> > without his cooperation. i'm not even sure how that came about. was
> > ullrich charged with a crime -- maybe from the t-moblie wrongful
> > termination dispute ?
> >
> > does that mean in switzerland if you sue the cops can raid your
> > house for evidence ?
>
> The police evidently got a search warrant. You don't have to be charged
> with a crime to have a search warrant served on you.
>
The Germans started a fraud investigation against Ullrich and Sevilla
on the basis of Puerto. So the police had all the reasons they needed
to search Ullrich's house in Switzerland.
Jeff
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 13:21:52
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Ullrich's last stand ?
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Jeff Jones wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>>amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>>if the DNA came from the raid at ullrich's house last fall, it was
>>>without his cooperation. i'm not even sure how that came about. was
>>>ullrich charged with a crime -- maybe from the t-moblie wrongful
>>>termination dispute ?
>>>
>>>does that mean in switzerland if you sue the cops can raid your
>>>house for evidence ?
>>
>>The police evidently got a search warrant. You don't have to be charged
>>with a crime to have a search warrant served on you.
>>
>
> The Germans started a fraud investigation against Ullrich and Sevilla
> on the basis of Puerto. So the police had all the reasons they needed
> to search Ullrich's house in Switzerland.
>
> Jeff
>
This is hilarious because we all know Ullbitch's DNA is going to match
one of those Puerto Rican cooler bags in Spain. The motherfucker took
ecstacy and he wears an earring. The circumstantial evidence he did it
is already present.
And once Ullbitch's DNA match is confirmed, it will open up the
floodgates for other riders' DNA testing. And then we'll see how
ethical the Italian federation looks when Basso's DNA matches after they
already "cleared" him.
It's funny...the Italian federation never did say how they cleared a
rider from Puerto when they acknowledge they didn't even do a DNA test.
Oh that's right, DNA testing is "only for serial killers," according
to The Cricket. Apparently, golden shoes doesn't know that DNA testing
was done on a sitting U.S. President to match his DNA with a semen stain
on a plumper's dress from Lane Bryant.
Magilla
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 14:39:33
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Ullrich's last stand ?
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:21:52 -0500, MagillaGorilla
<MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote:
>This is hilarious because we all know Ullbitch's DNA is going to match
>one of those Puerto Rican cooler bags in Spain. The motherfucker took
>ecstacy and he wears an earring. The circumstantial evidence he did it
>is already present.
>
>And once Ullbitch's DNA match is confirmed, it will open up the
>floodgates for other riders' DNA testing. And then we'll see how
>ethical the Italian federation looks when Basso's DNA matches after they
>already "cleared" him.
What we don't all know is whether the DNA sample obtained for a
criminal case can be extended to non-criminal situations, much less
whether the case of a cyclist who is the subject of a criminal
investigation (Ullrich) has much to do with what happens in a
non-criminal procedure involving another cyclist altogether.
If these other cyclists aren't the objects of criminal investigations
or probes, I don't see that it is so evident that we will know
anything new about Basso or his blood bags or that any floodgates will
open for other DNA testing.
My $ 100 says that your floodgates - even if Ullrich has a DNA match -
won't amount to more than five additional athletes, other than from
the current German criminal investigations, tested by December 31,
2007 from the Puerto cases. Including non-cyclists. Bet? They don't
even have to match.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 20:58:49
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Ullrich's last stand ?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> This is hilarious because we all know Ullbitch's DNA is going to match
> one of those Puerto Rican cooler bags in Spain. The motherfucker took
> ecstacy and he wears an earring. The circumstantial evidence he did it
> is already present.
This ex rbr-er has an earring and a nosering :
http://www.kenpapai.com/cycling/rbr/adamsStitches.html
Not sure if he's got a pet though.
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 21:08:26
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Ullrich's last stand ?
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Keith wrote:
>
> > Looks like it's time for Ullrich to face the music with that DNA test
> > ordered in Germany for some reason. At this point he might as well go
> > with it and hope for an "unconclusive" result, who knows. That would
> > likely get him a seat in a Pro-Tour Team to end his career. Bad news
> > for all the others and partciularly Basso though who would have to
> > submit to the same kind of testing.
> >
> > Like Legay said, this is probably the only way out of this Puerto
> > mess.
>
> Let's start a betting pool. $15 says Ullbitch's blood matches at least
> one bag from the OP cooler.
>
> Can someone manage this fund in Paypal and then distribute?
>
> We'll call it the Ullbitch Blood Doping Fund (UBDF).
>
> Magilla
dumbass,
it's telling that almost no one implicated in puerto (except davis and
quesada ?) volunteered for a DNA test before the '06 tour (or ever).
if the DNA came from the raid at ullrich's house last fall, it was
without his cooperation. i'm not even sure how that came about. was
ullrich charged with a crime -- maybe from the t-moblie wrongful
termination dispute ?
does that mean in switzerland if you sue someone the cops can raid your
house for evidence ?
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 10:35:58
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Ullrich's last stand ?
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amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>>Keith wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Looks like it's time for Ullrich to face the music with that DNA test
>>>ordered in Germany for some reason. At this point he might as well go
>>>with it and hope for an "unconclusive" result, who knows. That would
>>>likely get him a seat in a Pro-Tour Team to end his career. Bad news
>>>for all the others and partciularly Basso though who would have to
>>>submit to the same kind of testing.
>>>
>>>Like Legay said, this is probably the only way out of this Puerto
>>>mess.
>>
>>Let's start a betting pool. $15 says Ullbitch's blood matches at least
>>one bag from the OP cooler.
>>
>>Can someone manage this fund in Paypal and then distribute?
>>
>>We'll call it the Ullbitch Blood Doping Fund (UBDF).
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> dumbass,
>
> it's telling that almost no one implicated in puerto (except davis and
> quesada ?) volunteered for a DNA test before the '06 tour (or ever).
>
> if the DNA came from the raid at ullrich's house last fall, it was
> without his cooperation. i'm not even sure how that came about. was
> ullrich charged with a crime -- maybe from the t-moblie wrongful
> termination dispute ?
>
> does that mean in switzerland if you sue the cops can raid your
> house for evidence ?
>
The police evidently got a search warrant. You don't have to be charged
with a crime to have a search warrant served on you.
Magilla
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 21:26:00
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Ullrich's last stand ?
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Keith wrote:
> Looks like it's time for Ullrich to face the music with that DNA test
> ordered in Germany for some reason. At this point he might as well go
> with it and hope for an "unconclusive" result, who knows. That would
> likely get him a seat in a Pro-Tour Team to end his career. Bad news
> for all the others and partciularly Basso though who would have to
> submit to the same kind of testing.
>
> Like Legay said, this is probably the only way out of this Puerto
> mess.
Let's start a betting pool. $15 says Ullbitch's blood matches at least
one bag from the OP cooler.
Can someone manage this fund in Paypal and then distribute?
We'll call it the Ullbitch Blood Doping Fund (UBDF).
Magilla
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