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Date: 07 Jun 2007 13:24:16
From: Annelies
Subject: VDB suicide attempt
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according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai
http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 15:42:07
From: Andre
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 10, 10:44 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Andre" <ANDREJANSSE...@YAHOO.COM> wrote in message
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> > On Jun 8, 2:55 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >> <rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >>news:1181224216.781883.43750@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
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> >> > On Jun 7, 1:24 pm, Annelies <i...@niweet.com> wrote:
> >> >> according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai
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> >> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>
> >> You mean by signing on here and seeing what little identity he had
> >> remaining
> >> being butchered by people here who couldn't hold his wheel when he was
> >> riding as slow as he could?
>
> >http://www.lesoir.be/sports/cyclisme/l-epouse-de-franck-vandenbrou-20...
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> None of that's a surprise to me Andre, I had a brother like that. The drugs
> finally took him.
>
> The question is: why is it that he took drugs and I didn't? We were both
> brought up in the same manner and he was only two years younger than me. We
> did everything together etc when we were kids.
>
> It's the mental problems that we cannot guess at. I'm not forgiving nor
> forgetting VDB's actions, just saying that this isn't something he had
> control over once he started down that path.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
I am sorry for your loss Tom. I have a brother that I love a lot too
so I know it must have been painful for you to have lost him.
Sincerely Andre
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 19:13:23
From: Andre
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 8, 2:55 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> <rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> news:1181224216.781883.43750@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
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> > On Jun 7, 1:24 pm, Annelies <i...@niweet.com> wrote:
> >> according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai
>
> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>
> You mean by signing on here and seeing what little identity he had remaining
> being butchered by people here who couldn't hold his wheel when he was
> riding as slow as he could?
http://www.lesoir.be/sports/cyclisme/l-epouse-de-franck-vandenbrou-2007-06-09-533581.shtml
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 14:44:53
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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"Andre" <ANDREJANSSENS1@YAHOO.COM > wrote in message
news:1181441603.145106.55350@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 8, 2:55 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> <rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1181224216.781883.43750@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Jun 7, 1:24 pm, Annelies <i...@niweet.com> wrote:
>> >> according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai
>>
>> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>>
>> You mean by signing on here and seeing what little identity he had
>> remaining
>> being butchered by people here who couldn't hold his wheel when he was
>> riding as slow as he could?
>
> http://www.lesoir.be/sports/cyclisme/l-epouse-de-franck-vandenbrou-2007-06-09-533581.shtml
None of that's a surprise to me Andre, I had a brother like that. The drugs
finally took him.
The question is: why is it that he took drugs and I didn't? We were both
brought up in the same manner and he was only two years younger than me. We
did everything together etc when we were kids.
It's the mental problems that we cannot guess at. I'm not forgiving nor
forgetting VDB's actions, just saying that this isn't something he had
control over once he started down that path.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 16:48:00
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 9, 2:53 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:01:29 -0600, "Steven L. Sheffield"
>
> >VDB most likely isn't depressed as a result of dumping his long-time
> >girlfriend, jumping from team to team, and doing drugs ... He most likely
> >did all those things BECAUSE he was suffering from depression.
>
> It is a disease. And he should have maybe gotten treatment a long
> time ago for it. It's like having heart trouble which prevents
> exercise but you keep eating so you get fat and have more heart
> trouble. You've got to deal with it when you can and make some
> choices.
Right. Simple enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNfGyIW7aHM
R
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 14:36:54
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 8, 12:40 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jun 7, 5:12 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:23:37 -0000, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >On Jun 8, 1:04 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> > >wrote:
> > >> Mental illness is not joke.
>
> > >> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
> > >> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
>
> > >Right. The public is only supposed to show sympathy when they're
> > >actually dead, until then, it does its best to destroy them.
>
> > I frankly wouldn't have much sympathy if he'd died. A little perhaps,
> > but I've got a little now. Pantani I have almost no sympathy for.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> I am with you brother!
>
> There are sooooo many more people in this world more deserving of
> sympathy than those two characters. For whatever reason, the great
> mass of people in the bike racing fanbase don't see it that way.
>
> Did either one of those guys ever do anything to help anyone other
> than themselves?
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.
It's human nature. When it's a friend, family member, or someone in
something you care about it's a tragedy, when it's someone else it's a
statistic.
I have a ton of sympathy for both of them but I'm fascinated, then
amazed or apalled by what happens to people in a pressure cooker.
Cycling was their lives since they were kids. People grabbed them and
ran with them, put tons of expectations and responsibilities on them,
and they couldn't handle it, but realistically had no chance to do
anything to replace all the things cycling was to them and brought
them.
The most fascinating thing about military history, to me, is how
people dealt with what was going on and what decisions they made. In
the end everything is a "human" story and any person who melts down,
or is in trouble that doesn't purposely damage other people deserves
sympathy IMO.
He may have been better off had he succeeded. Just having a heartbeat
and brain activity doesn't mean you are living. When every day is full
of pain and misery then dieing isn't always a tragedy.
Bill C
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 12:05:17
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 8, 2:58 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl> wrote in message
>
> > I don't think it has much to do with cycling. Vdb showed many of the
> > classic symptoms of a bipolar disorder.
>
> While that's true, cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine mixed together could
> make Jesus bipolar.
You can't know that - you're just guessing.
R
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 12:02:58
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 8, 3:01 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> <ilan...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1181258617.871274.233730@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
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> > On Jun 8, 1:04 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Mental illness is not joke.
>
> >> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
> >> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
>
> > Right. The public is only supposed to show sympathy when they're
> > actually dead, until then, it does its best to destroy them.
>
> Ilan, I've always found you to be of particular intelligence. I hope you
> continue posting here at least as long as I'm reading.
Ilan, take one for the team. ;)
R
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 04:13:21
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 8, 12:40 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
> I am with you brother!
>
> There are sooooo many more people in this world more deserving of
> sympathy than those two characters. For whatever reason, the great
> mass of people in the bike racing fanbase don't see it that way.
I hadn't realized that the "bike racing fanbase" (WTF?) was your
guiding light for compassion. Pitiful comes to mind - that's like
sympathy without the compassion.
> Did either one of those guys ever do anything to help anyone other
> than themselves?
Right. We could have races stop at Habitat for Humanity sites and the
riders could all jump off and swing some hammers. Or maybe a soup
kitchen where they could volunteer to feed the homeless. If that
works for you, let me know, and I'll write a letter.
R
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 14:13:54
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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RicodJour wrote:
> Right. We could have races stop at Habitat for Humanity sites and the
> riders could all jump off and swing some hammers. Or maybe a soup
> kitchen where they could volunteer to feed the homeless. If that
> works for you, let me know, and I'll write a letter.
Why not keep it on rbr topic and have a race against global warming. First
prize is a months supply of andoulette and you get to throw a cream cake
at Kunich's head. Anyone testing positive for EPO or Viagra will be
sentenced to a night of passion with Tammy Thomas.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 23:13:41
From:
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 8, 6:40 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Did either one of those guys ever do anything to help anyone other
> than themselves?
Dumbass,
Cycling is entertainment, and both those guys were entertainers.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 06:02:14
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:13:41 -0700, rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
>On Jun 8, 6:40 am, Kurgan Gringioni <kgringi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did either one of those guys ever do anything to help anyone other
>> than themselves?
>
>Dumbass,
>
>Cycling is entertainment, and both those guys were entertainers.
Yeah, I did like watching VdB ride. Pantani, not so much.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 22:37:59
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 8, 2:12 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> I frankly wouldn't have much sympathy if he'd died. A little perhaps,
> but I've got a little now. Pantani I have almost no sympathy for.
Perhaps that's understandable but it's possible to feel bad about the
inner torment that a guy who attempts suicide suffers whether or not
one likes the guy.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 21:40:44
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 7, 5:12 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:23:37 -0000, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Jun 8, 1:04 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> >wrote:
> >> Mental illness is not joke.
>
> >> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
> >> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
>
> >Right. The public is only supposed to show sympathy when they're
> >actually dead, until then, it does its best to destroy them.
>
> I frankly wouldn't have much sympathy if he'd died. A little perhaps,
> but I've got a little now. Pantani I have almost no sympathy for.
Dumbass -
I am with you brother!
There are sooooo many more people in this world more deserving of
sympathy than those two characters. For whatever reason, the great
mass of people in the bike racing fanbase don't see it that way.
Did either one of those guys ever do anything to help anyone other
than themselves?
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 10:16:50
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> Did either one of those guys ever do anything to help anyone other
> than themselves?
Pantani, VdB, and Graeme Obree all brought a lot of joy and excitement
to my life. I think that helps.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 21:04:24
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 7, 8:12 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:23:37 -0000, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >On Jun 8, 1:04 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> >wrote:
> >> Mental illness is not joke.
>
> >> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
> >> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
>
> >Right. The public is only supposed to show sympathy when they're
> >actually dead, until then, it does its best to destroy them.
>
> I frankly wouldn't have much sympathy if he'd died. A little perhaps,
> but I've got a little now. Pantani I have almost no sympathy for.
>
> Sorry if that sounds cold, but while I love VdBs style on the bike, I
> don't like how selfish the guy has been.
Selfish by not living up to someone else's expectations/standards?
Seems a bit harsh. He's probably not too happy with the situation
either, and there's more to a person than a bike.
R
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 17:04:17
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 7, 2:15 pm, "benjo maso" <benjo.m...@chello.nl > wrote:
> "Marlene Blanshay" <blans...@videotron.ca> wrote in message
>
> news:TvZ9i.12831$ih7.23410@weber.videotron.net...
>
> > rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Jun 7, 1:24 pm, Annelies <i...@niweet.com> wrote:
> >>> according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai
>
> >> Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>
> > i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
> > the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat its
> > young.
>
> I don't think it has much to do with cycling. Vdb showed many of the classic
> symptoms of a bipolar disorder.
Exactly. It is basic chemical imbalance.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 17:03:00
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 7, 4:23 pm, ilan...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 8, 1:04 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Mental illness is not joke.
>
> > That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
> > in a situation where the illness could take hold.
> Right. The public is...
"We" just want the most bang for "our" buck.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 23:23:37
From:
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 8, 1:04 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> Mental illness is not joke.
>
> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
> --
> JT
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Right. The public is only supposed to show sympathy when they're
actually dead, until then, it does its best to destroy them.
-ilan
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:01:24
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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<ilanpsi@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1181258617.871274.233730@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 8, 1:04 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>> Mental illness is not joke.
>>
>> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
>> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
>
> Right. The public is only supposed to show sympathy when they're
> actually dead, until then, it does its best to destroy them.
Ilan, I've always found you to be of particular intelligence. I hope you
continue posting here at least as long as I'm reading.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 20:12:45
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:23:37 -0000, ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
>On Jun 8, 1:04 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
>wrote:
>> Mental illness is not joke.
>>
>> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
>> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
>
>Right. The public is only supposed to show sympathy when they're
>actually dead, until then, it does its best to destroy them.
I frankly wouldn't have much sympathy if he'd died. A little perhaps,
but I've got a little now. Pantani I have almost no sympathy for.
Sorry if that sounds cold, but while I love VdBs style on the bike, I
don't like how selfish the guy has been.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 19:02:31
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote in message
news:al7h639pirtcroi7p54a85jave78islbt6@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:23:37 -0000, ilanpsi@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Jun 8, 1:04 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
>>wrote:
>>> Mental illness is not joke.
>>>
>>> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
>>> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
>
>>
>>Right. The public is only supposed to show sympathy when they're
>>actually dead, until then, it does its best to destroy them.
>
> I frankly wouldn't have much sympathy if he'd died. A little perhaps,
> but I've got a little now. Pantani I have almost no sympathy for.
>
> Sorry if that sounds cold, but while I love VdBs style on the bike, I
> don't like how selfish the guy has been.
Pot Belg does that to people. And the money crits after the Tour were
invented for pot Belg.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 15:15:45
From: Philo
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 7, 2:49 pm, "Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyb...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> "> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>
> > i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
> > the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
> > its young.
>
> ---------
> most die of heart attacks by age 50. All of us are at risk, for riding as
> much as we have. The heart only has so many beats in it.
Fortunately, we don't know how many beats that is.
In fact, you only find out at the moment of death.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 15:28:30
From: Geraard Spergen
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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Philo wrote:
> On Jun 7, 2:49 pm, "Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyb...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> "> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>>
>>> i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
>>> the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
>>> its young.
>> ---------
>> most die of heart attacks by age 50. All of us are at risk, for riding as
>> much as we have. The heart only has so many beats in it.
>
> Fortunately, we don't know how many beats that is.
>
> In fact, you only find out at the moment of death.
>
Mine will go on beating in someone else's body if I meet an early, non
cardiac related demise.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 19:04:21
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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Mental illness is not joke.
That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
in a situation where the illness could take hold.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 15:05:27
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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in message <km3h631c2dqmfmv6i9o31q07123qruja3e@4ax.com >, John Forrest
Tomlinson ('usenetremove@jt10000.com') wrote:
> Mental illness is not joke.
>
> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
Can you suggest for us a situation in which depression is unlikely to take
hold?
--
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;; of 90+ years of protection, but a cure for cancer, only 14?
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 11:41:50
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:05:27 +0100, Simon Brooke
<simon@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
>in message <km3h631c2dqmfmv6i9o31q07123qruja3e@4ax.com>, John Forrest
>Tomlinson ('usenetremove@jt10000.com') wrote:
>
>> Mental illness is not joke.
>>
>> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
>> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
>
>Can you suggest for us a situation in which depression is unlikely to take
>hold?
When you don't dump a long-time girlfriend and then piss off your
wife, and jump from team to team along the way, doing drugs.
That kind of situation.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 10:01:29
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On 6/9/07 9:41 AM, in article 8gil63phlfuv3jo8s1mtvmu5obl1gs3v1n@4ax.com,
"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:05:27 +0100, Simon Brooke
> <simon@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> in message <km3h631c2dqmfmv6i9o31q07123qruja3e@4ax.com>, John Forrest
>> Tomlinson ('usenetremove@jt10000.com') wrote:
>>
>>> Mental illness is not joke.
>>>
>>> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
>>> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
>>
>> Can you suggest for us a situation in which depression is unlikely to take
>> hold?
>
> When you don't dump a long-time girlfriend and then piss off your
> wife, and jump from team to team along the way, doing drugs.
>
> That kind of situation.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm with Kunich and the others on this
one.
Speaking from personal experience, depression is a disease ... And while
it's not an excuse for bad behavior, it is often the cause of it.
VDB most likely isn't depressed as a result of dumping his long-time
girlfriend, jumping from team to team, and doing drugs ... He most likely
did all those things BECAUSE he was suffering from depression.
--
Steven L. Sheffield
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 14:53:21
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 10:01:29 -0600, "Steven L. Sheffield"
<stevens@veloworks.com > wrote:
>On 6/9/07 9:41 AM, in article 8gil63phlfuv3jo8s1mtvmu5obl1gs3v1n@4ax.com,
>"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:05:27 +0100, Simon Brooke
>> <simon@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> in message <km3h631c2dqmfmv6i9o31q07123qruja3e@4ax.com>, John Forrest
>>> Tomlinson ('usenetremove@jt10000.com') wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mental illness is not joke.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
>>>> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
>>>
>>> Can you suggest for us a situation in which depression is unlikely to take
>>> hold?
>>
>> When you don't dump a long-time girlfriend and then piss off your
>> wife, and jump from team to team along the way, doing drugs.
>>
>> That kind of situation.
>
>
>
>I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm with Kunich and the others on this
>one.
>
>Speaking from personal experience, depression is a disease ... And while
>it's not an excuse for bad behavior, it is often the cause of it.
>
>VDB most likely isn't depressed as a result of dumping his long-time
>girlfriend, jumping from team to team, and doing drugs ... He most likely
>did all those things BECAUSE he was suffering from depression.
It is a disease. And he should have maybe gotten treatment a long
time ago for it. It's like having heart trouble which prevents
exercise but you keep eating so you get fat and have more heart
trouble. You've got to deal with it when you can and make some
choices.
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Date: 10 Jun 2007 02:21:32
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote in message
news:bltl63d606ms1hnl9246i2av68hg0sps2j@4ax.com...
>
> It is a disease. And he should have maybe gotten treatment a long
> time ago for it.
John, one of the major symptoms of depression is that you don't want to
share it with anyone else. Especially some nut doctor who may tell you
you're crazy.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 18:08:57
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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in message <C2902AF9.5B468%stevens@veloworks.com >, Steven L. Sheffield
('stevens@veloworks.com') wrote:
> On 6/9/07 9:41 AM, in article 8gil63phlfuv3jo8s1mtvmu5obl1gs3v1n@4ax.com,
> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 15:05:27 +0100, Simon Brooke
>> <simon@jasmine.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> in message <km3h631c2dqmfmv6i9o31q07123qruja3e@4ax.com>, John Forrest
>>> Tomlinson ('usenetremove@jt10000.com') wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mental illness is not joke.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
>>>> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
>>>
>>> Can you suggest for us a situation in which depression is unlikely to
>>> take hold?
>>
>> When you don't dump a long-time girlfriend and then piss off your
>> wife, and jump from team to team along the way, doing drugs.
>>
>> That kind of situation.
>
> I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm with Kunich and the others on
> this one.
>
> Speaking from personal experience, depression is a disease ... And while
> it's not an excuse for bad behavior, it is often the cause of it.
>
> VDB most likely isn't depressed as a result of dumping his long-time
> girlfriend, jumping from team to team, and doing drugs ... He most likely
> did all those things BECAUSE he was suffering from depression.
Uh-huh. If you're lucky enough not to have been there, don't be too quick
to judge those who have.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
/-\ You have discovered a security flaw in a Microsoft product. You
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 14:50:52
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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"Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk > wrote in message
news:7moqj4-vd3.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
> in message <km3h631c2dqmfmv6i9o31q07123qruja3e@4ax.com>, John Forrest
> Tomlinson ('usenetremove@jt10000.com') wrote:
>
>> Mental illness is not joke.
>>
>> That said, I don't have much sympathy for this guy -- he put himself
>> in a situation where the illness could take hold.
>
> Can you suggest for us a situation in which depression is unlikely to take
> hold?
If you're having money thrown at you, are subject to public adjulation, have
girls swarming you and - oh wait - VDB had all those things and still got
sick.
OBVIOUSLY it's all his fault.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 12:43:00
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 7, 7:07 am, Dan Gregory
<dangreg...@brakes.palaver.freeserve.co.uk > wrote:
> rechungREMOVET...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jun 7, 1:24 pm, Annelies <i...@niweet.com> wrote:
> >> according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai
>
> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>
> Terrible news. Such a talent...
Dumbass -
It would be terrible news if his attempt was successful.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 13:50:16
From:
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Jun 7, 1:24 pm, Annelies <i...@niweet.com > wrote:
> according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai
Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 18:55:56
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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<rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1181224216.781883.43750@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 7, 1:24 pm, Annelies <i...@niweet.com> wrote:
>> according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai
>
> Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
You mean by signing on here and seeing what little identity he had remaining
being butchered by people here who couldn't hold his wheel when he was
riding as slow as he could?
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 18:58:27
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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In article <1181224216.781883.43750@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com >,
rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 7, 1:24 pm, Annelies <i...@niweet.com> wrote:
> > according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai
>
> Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
It really is a shame when anyone ends up feeling so horrible they see death as the
better option. Whether one likes the guy or not, you really have to hope that he can
work through it. Regarding Benjo's statement that this didn't have much to do with
cycling - I think that being in an environment like cycling that is so public and
'results' oriented can't have helped a guy who seemed to be filled with self doubts
like VdB.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 16:03:06
From: Marlene Blanshay
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 7, 1:24 pm, Annelies <i...@niweet.com> wrote:
>> according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai
>
> Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>
i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
its young.
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 21:49:15
From: Crescentius Vespasianus
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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" > > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
> >
>
> i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
> the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
> its young.
---------
most die of heart attacks by age 50. All of us are at risk, for riding as
much as we have. The heart only has so many beats in it.
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 15:04:12
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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in message <v3%9i.1903$tb6.27@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
Crescentius Vespasianus ('jazzyboss@hotmail.com') wrote:
>
> "> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>> >
>>
>> i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
>> the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
>> its young.
> ---------
> most die of heart attacks by age 50. All of us are at risk, for riding
> as
> much as we have. The heart only has so many beats in it.
Rubbish. Cyclists live on average 6 years longer than non-cyclists,
according to the BMA.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; Human history becomes more and more a race between
;; education and catastrophe.
H.G. Wells, "The Outline of History"
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Date: 09 Jun 2007 17:46:47
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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* Simon Brooke <simon@jasmine.org.uk > a écrit
> in message <v3%9i.1903$tb6.27@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> Crescentius Vespasianus ('jazzyboss@hotmail.com') wrote:
>
>>
>> "> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>>> >
>>>
>>> i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
>>> the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
>>> its young.
>> ---------
>> most die of heart attacks by age 50. All of us are at risk, for riding
>> as
>> much as we have. The heart only has so many beats in it.
>
> Rubbish. Cyclists live on average 6 years longer than non-cyclists,
> according to the BMA.
>
> --
> simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
>
> ;; Human history becomes more and more a race between
> ;; education and catastrophe.
> H.G. Wells, "The Outline of History"
I was sure that I'd read somewhere that the average age at death for a
top competative cyclist was 56 or 58 years.
I tried searching but came up with nothing to substantiate it, but
there are some quite interesting statistics etc. here:
http://www.kenkifer.com/bikepages/health/pedal_h.htm
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 18:59:29
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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"Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:v3%9i.1903$tb6.27@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>> >
>>
>> i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
>> the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
>> its young.
> ---------
> most die of heart attacks by age 50. All of us are at risk, for riding as
> much as we have. The heart only has so many beats in it.
And the eyes can only take so many of your rediculous postings.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 11:58:54
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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* "Crescentius Vespasianus" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com > a écrit
> "> > Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>> >
>>
>> i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
>> the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
>> its young.
> ---------
> most die of heart attacks by age 50. All of us are at risk, for riding as
> much as we have. The heart only has so many beats in it.
>
>
The heart is a muscle
it improves with - reasonable - use
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 23:15:26
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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"Marlene Blanshay" <blanshay@videotron.ca > wrote in message
news:TvZ9i.12831$ih7.23410@weber.videotron.net...
> rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Jun 7, 1:24 pm, Annelies <i...@niweet.com> wrote:
>>> according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai
>>
>> Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>>
>
> i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
> the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat its
> young.
I don't think it has much to do with cycling. Vdb showed many of the classic
symptoms of a bipolar disorder.
Benjo
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 18:58:28
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > wrote in message
news:5crardF32ci9dU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Marlene Blanshay" <blanshay@videotron.ca> wrote in message
> news:TvZ9i.12831$ih7.23410@weber.videotron.net...
>> i always had a feeling something like this would happen....he never was
>> the most stable guy in the world. cycling is a sport that seems to eat
>> its young.
>
> I don't think it has much to do with cycling. Vdb showed many of the
> classic symptoms of a bipolar disorder.
While that's true, cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine mixed together could
make Jesus bipolar.
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Date: 08 Jun 2007 11:35:17
From: Doug Taylor
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:15:26 +0200, "benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl >
wrote:
>I don't think it has much to do with cycling. Vdb showed many of the classic
>symptoms of a bipolar disorder.
"Vandenbroucke was once was the third-ranked cyclist in the world, but
he has not won a race since 2004 and rides for a second-tier Italian
team.
The team’s director, Palmiro Masciarelli, told The Associated Press
that Vandenbroucke had attempted to slit a vein but ended up only
making “harmless cuts” on his arm. Vandenbroucke, who has a history of
erratic behavior, was despondent because his marriage had collapsed,
Masciarelli said."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/08/sports/othersports/08cycling.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 15:07:06
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jun 7, 1:24 pm, Annelies <i...@niweet.com> wrote:
>> according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai
>
> Ugh. Bad news. Hope he can exorcise his demons.
>
Terrible news. Such a talent...
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 14:44:59
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: VDB suicide attempt
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* Annelies <ikke@niweet.com > a écrit
> according to la gazzetta he attempted suicide yesterday....aiaiaiai
>
> http://www.gazzetta.it/Ciclismo/
Hang in there Frankie
Davey's pulling for you
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