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Date: 02 Jan 2007 11:06:12
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Voeckler the Pretender
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
Gibson singing in a mall.
This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in
the athon just because he was "leading" it.
Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense.
And he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the yellow
jersey for a couple of days when the real race leaders could care less.
What an embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of cycling in
general.
Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
Thanks,
Magilla
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 09:43:03
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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In article <pxydnf5zDNtpHwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net >,
MagillaGorilla <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
Looks like he was really happy to win that one.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 15:36:11
From: ilan
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Actually, while he had the Yellow Jersey, Voeckler was the most vocal
French person with regards to the fact that he would lose the jersey.
There was a nice documentary of his 2005 Tour ride in which you see
that
he is quite an amusing fellow, e.g., he does an imitation of his mother
who
called him when he got the jersey, a totally confused rant about how he
won the race for the yellow jersey (I don't remember the exact
details).
Since I'm watching the 2004 Tour during my trainer rides right now, I
just happened
to watch the La Mongie stage, and can tell you who the real attention
getting jerk is:
Richard Virenque, who, when dropped, went to find Voeckler, also
dropped, and
tried to give him pace for a couple of minutes. Essentially, he was
looking for
a place where there would be TV cameras, and were he could get more
sympathy
from the French people by supporting the hero of the moment.
-ilan
MagillaGorilla wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>
> Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
> yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
> crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
> fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
> Gibson singing in a mall.
>
> This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
> is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>
> What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
> York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
> doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
> And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in
> the athon just because he was "leading" it.
>
> Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense.
> And he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the yellow
> jersey for a couple of days when the real race leaders could care less.
> What an embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of cycling in
> general.
>
> Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
> overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Magilla
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 21:28:18
From: trg
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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"ilan" <ilanpi@yahoo.com > a écrit dans le message de news:
1167867369.025280.225730@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 01:53:05
From: need more sun
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Gorilla..I don't even need to reply to your post. Any reasonable person
reading the quoted response would see you are a joke. If you seriously
have those views I feel very sorry for you. Well, I don't, actually...
Close the window on your way out..
MagillaGorilla wrote:
> need more sun wrote:
>
> > MagillaGorilla wrote:
> >
> >
> >>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=3Dnews/2007/jan07/jan02news
> >>
> >>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
> >>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
> >>crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
> >>fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
> >>Gibson singing in a mall.
> >>
> >>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
> >>is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
> >>
> >>What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
> >>York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
> >>doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
> >>And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in
> >>the athon just because he was "leading" it.
> >>
> >
> >
> > blah blah blah
> >
> > In fairness, your post is horsesh*t. Why?
> >
> > 1) Voeckler is an outspoken anti-doping rider, unlike many of those who
> > finish above him in races. In fact, I'd bet any amount of money on
> > that. But could you say the same about some of the 'champions' you
> > mention?
>
> Yeah, just like Hamilton was before we saw THE HAVEN PARCHINSKI FAX.
>
>
> >
> > 2) He won the Route du Sud this year. Bad race? I think not. Tough
> > parcours, and good list of winners. Have a look:
> >
> > 2005 Sandy Casar (Fra) Fran=E7aise des Jeux
> > 2004 Bradley Mcgee (Aus) FDJeux.com
> > 2003 Michael Rogers (Aus) Quick.Step-Davitamon
> > 2002 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Rabobank
> > 2001 Francesco Casagrande (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
> > 2000 Tomasz Brozyna (Pol) Banesto
> > 1999 Jonathan Vaughters (USA) US Postal
>
> This reads like a Chapter out of Who Fucking Cares. Lance didn't even
> watch that race on TV when he lived in Spain.
>
> >
> >
> > I suppose you think the two USA winners are far better than a
> > Frenchman, eh?
>
> I guess so, yeah. Sure. They can't even deliver their Airbus planes on ti=
me.
>
>
> >
> > 3) Speaking of Vaughers, he made some very good points here:
> > http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2006/interviews/?id=3Djonathan_vaught=
ers06
>
>
> What points? I don't read interviews with guys who have sideburns the
> size of snowplows on a sanitation truck in Buffalo.
>
>
> >
> > I suggest you have a read of that. Or maybe you are fine with riders
> > doping themselves to oblivion in the name of victories.
>
> I already explained to you why doping is no more cheating than an
> offensive lineman holding a defensive guy or an NBA player fouling a guy
> who's a poor free throw shooter.
>
>
> >
> > Here's a quote:
> >
> >
> > Jonathan Vaughters: It's too late to address the damage. At this point
> > it's a matter of rebuilding from the ground up. Time must pass and time
> > without any scandals. For this to happen, teams need to simply make
> > sure the explicit and implicit message to their riders is: we love you
> > even if you don't win all the time.
>
> I don't like riders unless they win. I don't care how they win, so long
> as they win. Sponsors also like riders who win. That's why Lance was
> paid more money than Ernie Lechuga.
>
>
> >
> > We (me, directors, sponsors, management) have to start treating this as
> > a sport, not just a business. We have to start treating the athletes as
> > humans, not expendable fodder. If you say to an athlete, 'you must win
> > today or else', the clever cyclist will make sure he wins, but the way
> > it's done may not be so healthy for the sport or his body.
>
> If you lose races, kiss your sponsor goodbye. All this other talk goes
> in one ear and out the other. Believe it or not, JV didn't resolve the
> doping problem in cycling by giving this interview on cyclingnews.
> Trust me on that one.
>
> I bet you Basso read that interview and then sent an email to his
> handlers in Spain telling them to make sure his blood bags are ready to
> go come July cause he's gonna kick the piss out of everyone in the Tour.
> JV and his riders will be home watching the race on Verses.
>
> >
> > Don't force athletes into decisions like that. Don't force ethical
> > people to make poor decisions. Instead allow for some humanity. Allow
> > for 'we did our best'.
>
> Oh my God. JV's grasp of reality is pathetc und unrealistic. The next
> thing you're going to tell me is it's possible for a homeless bum to
> date Jenifer Aniston because he's a 'nice guy.'
>
>
> >
> > Magilla, your sort of attitude is a big part of the problem in cycling.
> > I'd rather cheer on clean guys like Voeckler who have the courage and
> > self-conviction to ride without doping, even if it costs them in terms
> > of prizemoney and bigger salaries. That sort of restraint is far more
> > laudable than the junked-up achievements of some of the guys you listed.
> >
>
> And you know Voeckler is clean how...because he says it? Doping is no
> more unethical than sleeping in an altitude tent or training at
> altitude. One's a rule violation, the other isn't. Big whoop. If I
> were a coach, I'd do away with all these Internet training programs and
> just take the autologous blood doping to a new level. All my riders
> would be trained fluently in how to use a centrifuge in a motel room no
> matter what kind of electrical outlet it had (European, American, Asian).
>
> If Vaughters new how to run a pro team he'd be putting his guys on the
> same Spring training program as the Gewiss Team in '94.
>
> I'm telling you...anyone who can beat Bettini's best time up the Poggio
> by almost a minute is GOD.
>
> I just want to see the ridrs go fast - I don't give a fuck about what
> rule they violated. The only thing that matters is getting caught. If
> your caught, then a director needs to badmoutht he rider int he press
> and wash his hands clean. But that's just for show and for appearances
> sake.
>
> That's my response to Vaughters - he needs to rethink his gameplan, his
> attitude, and his Disneyland mentality.
>
> If Vaughters wants to know how to run a pro team, he needs to go watch
> the Discovery Team - those guys do what it takes to win.
>=20
>=20
> Magilla
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 00:48:19
From: DA74
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Donald Munro wrote:
> DA74 wrote:
>
> > For the rest of you, the point is that Voeckler is a total ass-clown
> > that was gifted the jersey on a rainy day at the Tour where no one felt
> > like riding, let alone racing.
>
> It may not have been raining, but the same might be said of the potential
> winner of the 2006 TDF.
Let's not get hung up on technicalities about barometric readings here
Donnie Boy. I'm trying to make a point. That said, you're partly
correct but partly wrong.
You're right in that there is an argument that Pereiro received a gift
that could slide him into the yellow jersey - pending ball-patch
litigation at CAS of course.
But what it really comes down to is that fact that Lelangue was totally
out of his league in the big show. He knew they didn't have the
firepower to hold the jersey until the end so they tried to play the
Lance card. In case you're not familiar, that's the "Hey motherfucker
I'm Lance, here's half an hour, I'll be back to get it in a week or
two...and you and your girlfriends on these cute bikes - you're my
bitches, right?" Only problem was that they started handing out minutes
like it was fucking Hurricane Katrina relief money.
So it is more fuck-up than gift. Let's put it this way, Phonak fucked
up giving the gift.
But you're wrong in inferring that the two are equal, Pereiro and
Voeckler that is. There's an important distinction that you need to get
straight here. Pereiro is not viewed in the peloton as a Voeckleresque
ass-clown. They all know (and knew) that he has the goods, especially
Phonak of course. He's got some respectability. Just a half-rung below
a guy like Leipheimer before the race and now a several rungs above him
because at least he can handle his business in the big show without
fully melting down in prologues and TTs and then going on senseless
breaks and cracking.
Plus, those in the know know that there was a deal between Phonak and
Caisse d'whatever. No one made deals with Voecklers jokester squad in
2004 because they had nothing to offer and no respectability,
especially to Postal.
And most importantly, even if he were French, Pereiro wouldn't be
caught dead riding around in a French national championship jersey.
Jesus Christ. There are non-NRC races on the Northern California
calendar that are harder to win than that.
Thanks,
DA74
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 23:47:52
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> >>
> >>Comparing W to Voeckler is unfair. Voeckler's tradek
> >>is going on early attacks that inevitably don't lead to victory.
> >
> >
> > French championship. Paris-Bourges. Some stages in week-long races.
>
>
> That's a chump race. Winning Paris-Bourges is like Anna Kournikova
> winning the Yonex Arkansas Invitational.
Dumbass -
Not even remotely similar because Anna Kournikova is hot.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 20:29:34
From: DA74
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Geraard Spergen wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
> > I wasn't talking about his salary. I'm talking about his career, his
> > legacy. It's an illusion. The fact that some French team is willing to
> > pay him for this illusion has nothing to do with the fact that his
> > career pales are garbage.
>
> The illusion is that any sportsman's career is about anything other than
> celebrity.
SpergenBro,
Don't drop insightful shit like that in RBR. Not only is it total
buzzkill material but it flies directly over the heads of the fat fucks
that populate this newsgroup.
For the rest of you, the point is that Voeckler is a total ass-clown
that was gifted the jersey on a rainy day at the Tour where no one felt
like riding, let alone racing. And he has turned it into a cottage
industry of French hope.
What it really shows is a lack of pride and self respect. When you're
gifted a jersey it means no one takes you seriously as an actual
competitor in the race. If he was any kind of man he would have burned
the maillot jaune on the podium, then pissed on the stuffed lion and
hurled it at Hinault.
At least Francois Simon had the decency to get out of our faces rather
quickly.
By the way Geraard, your last name sounds like what I just did on my
wife's face.
Thanks,
DA74
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 10:12:08
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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DA74 wrote:
> For the rest of you, the point is that Voeckler is a total ass-clown
> that was gifted the jersey on a rainy day at the Tour where no one felt
> like riding, let alone racing.
It may not have been raining, but the same might be said of the potential
winner of the 2006 TDF.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 15:33:07
From: ronaldo_jeremiah
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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need more sun wrote:
> 3) Speaking of Vaughers, he made some very good points here:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2006/interviews/?id=jonathan_vaughters06
>
Sunny -
You know your boy Vaughters was a doper, right?
-rj
P.S. I almost forgot. You are right that Tommy V. is outspokenly
against doping. So was Dicky V.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 14:56:58
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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need more sun wrote:
>
> In fairness, your post is horsesh*t. Why?
>
> 1) Voeckler is an outspoken anti-doping rider, unlike many of those who
> finish above him in races.
Dumbass -
I think Voeckler is a doper.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 22:45:10
From: MyakkaMike
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Are you trying to be such an asshole, or does it come naturally?
On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 11:06:12 -0500, MagillaGorilla
<MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote:
>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>
>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
>crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
>fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
>Gibson singing in a mall.
>
>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
>is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>
>What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
>York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
>doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
>And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in
>the athon just because he was "leading" it.
>
>Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense.
>And he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the yellow
>jersey for a couple of days when the real race leaders could care less.
> What an embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of cycling in
>general.
>
>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
>overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Magilla
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 13:47:16
From: need more sun
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=3Dnews/2007/jan07/jan02news
>
> Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
> yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
> crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
> fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
> Gibson singing in a mall.
>
> This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
> is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>
> What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
> York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
> doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
> And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in
> the athon just because he was "leading" it.
>
blah blah blah
In fairness, your post is horsesh*t. Why?
1) Voeckler is an outspoken anti-doping rider, unlike many of those who
finish above him in races. In fact, I'd bet any amount of money on
that. But could you say the same about some of the 'champions' you
mention?
2) He won the Route du Sud this year. Bad race? I think not. Tough
parcours, and good list of winners. Have a look:
2005 Sandy Casar (Fra) Fran=E7aise des Jeux
2004 Bradley Mcgee (Aus) FDJeux.com
2003 Michael Rogers (Aus) Quick.Step-Davitamon
2002 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Rabobank
2001 Francesco Casagrande (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
2000 Tomasz Brozyna (Pol) Banesto
1999 Jonathan Vaughters (USA) US Postal
I suppose you think the two USA winners are far better than a
Frenchman, eh?
3) Speaking of Vaughers, he made some very good points here:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2006/interviews/?id=3Djonathan_vaughters06
I suggest you have a read of that. Or maybe you are fine with riders
doping themselves to oblivion in the name of victories.
Here's a quote:
Jonathan Vaughters: It's too late to address the damage. At this point
it's a matter of rebuilding from the ground up. Time must pass and time
without any scandals. For this to happen, teams need to simply make
sure the explicit and implicit message to their riders is: we love you
even if you don't win all the time.
We (me, directors, sponsors, management) have to start treating this as
a sport, not just a business. We have to start treating the athletes as
humans, not expendable fodder. If you say to an athlete, 'you must win
today or else', the clever cyclist will make sure he wins, but the way
it's done may not be so healthy for the sport or his body.
Don't force athletes into decisions like that. Don't force ethical
people to make poor decisions. Instead allow for some humanity. Allow
for 'we did our best'.
Magilla, your sort of attitude is a big part of the problem in cycling.
I'd rather cheer on clean guys like Voeckler who have the courage and
self-conviction to ride without doping, even if it costs them in terms
of prizemoney and bigger salaries. That sort of restraint is far more
laudable than the junked-up achievements of some of the guys you listed.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 20:22:45
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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need more sun wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>
>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>
>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
>>crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
>>fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
>>Gibson singing in a mall.
>>
>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
>>is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>>
>>What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
>>York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
>>doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
>>And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in
>>the athon just because he was "leading" it.
>>
>
>
> blah blah blah
>
> In fairness, your post is horsesh*t. Why?
>
> 1) Voeckler is an outspoken anti-doping rider, unlike many of those who
> finish above him in races. In fact, I'd bet any amount of money on
> that. But could you say the same about some of the 'champions' you
> mention?
Yeah, just like Hamilton was before we saw THE HAVEN PARCHINSKI FAX.
>
> 2) He won the Route du Sud this year. Bad race? I think not. Tough
> parcours, and good list of winners. Have a look:
>
> 2005 Sandy Casar (Fra) Française des Jeux
> 2004 Bradley Mcgee (Aus) FDJeux.com
> 2003 Michael Rogers (Aus) Quick.Step-Davitamon
> 2002 Levi Leipheimer (USA) Rabobank
> 2001 Francesco Casagrande (Ita) Fassa Bortolo
> 2000 Tomasz Brozyna (Pol) Banesto
> 1999 Jonathan Vaughters (USA) US Postal
This reads like a Chapter out of Who Fucking Cares. Lance didn't even
watch that race on TV when he lived in Spain.
>
>
> I suppose you think the two USA winners are far better than a
> Frenchman, eh?
I guess so, yeah. Sure. They can't even deliver their Airbus planes on time.
>
> 3) Speaking of Vaughers, he made some very good points here:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2006/interviews/?id=jonathan_vaughters06
What points? I don't read interviews with guys who have sideburns the
size of snowplows on a sanitation truck in Buffalo.
>
> I suggest you have a read of that. Or maybe you are fine with riders
> doping themselves to oblivion in the name of victories.
I already explained to you why doping is no more cheating than an
offensive lineman holding a defensive guy or an NBA player fouling a guy
who's a poor free throw shooter.
>
> Here's a quote:
>
>
> Jonathan Vaughters: It's too late to address the damage. At this point
> it's a matter of rebuilding from the ground up. Time must pass and time
> without any scandals. For this to happen, teams need to simply make
> sure the explicit and implicit message to their riders is: we love you
> even if you don't win all the time.
I don't like riders unless they win. I don't care how they win, so long
as they win. Sponsors also like riders who win. That's why Lance was
paid more money than Ernie Lechuga.
>
> We (me, directors, sponsors, management) have to start treating this as
> a sport, not just a business. We have to start treating the athletes as
> humans, not expendable fodder. If you say to an athlete, 'you must win
> today or else', the clever cyclist will make sure he wins, but the way
> it's done may not be so healthy for the sport or his body.
If you lose races, kiss your sponsor goodbye. All this other talk goes
in one ear and out the other. Believe it or not, JV didn't resolve the
doping problem in cycling by giving this interview on cyclingnews.
Trust me on that one.
I bet you Basso read that interview and then sent an email to his
handlers in Spain telling them to make sure his blood bags are ready to
go come July cause he's gonna kick the piss out of everyone in the Tour.
JV and his riders will be home watching the race on Verses.
>
> Don't force athletes into decisions like that. Don't force ethical
> people to make poor decisions. Instead allow for some humanity. Allow
> for 'we did our best'.
Oh my God. JV's grasp of reality is pathetc und unrealistic. The next
thing you're going to tell me is it's possible for a homeless bum to
date Jenifer Aniston because he's a 'nice guy.'
>
> Magilla, your sort of attitude is a big part of the problem in cycling.
> I'd rather cheer on clean guys like Voeckler who have the courage and
> self-conviction to ride without doping, even if it costs them in terms
> of prizemoney and bigger salaries. That sort of restraint is far more
> laudable than the junked-up achievements of some of the guys you listed.
>
And you know Voeckler is clean how...because he says it? Doping is no
more unethical than sleeping in an altitude tent or training at
altitude. One's a rule violation, the other isn't. Big whoop. If I
were a coach, I'd do away with all these Internet training programs and
just take the autologous blood doping to a new level. All my riders
would be trained fluently in how to use a centrifuge in a motel room no
matter what kind of electrical outlet it had (European, American, Asian).
If Vaughters new how to run a pro team he'd be putting his guys on the
same Spring training program as the Gewiss Team in '94.
I'm telling you...anyone who can beat Bettini's best time up the Poggio
by almost a minute is GOD.
I just want to see the ridrs go fast - I don't give a fuck about what
rule they violated. The only thing that matters is getting caught. If
your caught, then a director needs to badmoutht he rider int he press
and wash his hands clean. But that's just for show and for appearances
sake.
That's my response to Vaughters - he needs to rethink his gameplan, his
attitude, and his Disneyland mentality.
If Vaughters wants to know how to run a pro team, he needs to go watch
the Discovery Team - those guys do what it takes to win.
Magilla
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 14:46:43
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote in message
news:pxydnf5zDNtpHwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>
> Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
> yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even crack
> the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the fuck his
> name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie Gibson singing
> in a mall.
>
> This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
> is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>
> What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
> York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
> doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down. And
> then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in the
> athon just because he was "leading" it.
>
> Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense. And
> he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the yellow jersey
> for a couple of days when the real race leaders could care less. What an
> embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of cycling in general.
>
> Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the overall
> GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Magilla
It appears that you are gradually morphing into Callistus Valerius.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 16:15:22
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Carl Sundquist wrote:
> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pxydnf5zDNtpHwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>
>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even crack
>>the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the fuck his
>>name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie Gibson singing
>>in a mall.
>>
>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
>>is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>>
>>What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
>>York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
>>doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down. And
>>then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in the
>>athon just because he was "leading" it.
>>
>>Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense. And
>>he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the yellow jersey
>>for a couple of days when the real race leaders could care less. What an
>>embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of cycling in general.
>>
>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the overall
>>GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> It appears that you are gradually morphing into Callistus Valerius.
I get excited when I see that name, but only because it makes me think
of Valerie Bertinelli when she was younger on that show with that
fucking handyman creep.
In a pre-Internet era, Bertinelli on TV was about as good as it got back
then.
Anyway, fuck Voeckler.
Magilla
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 12:38:30
From: Deke_Rivers
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
> Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
> overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
Just like the drivel you post.
pl
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 16:12:12
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Deke_Rivers wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
>>overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>
>
> Just like the drivel you post.
> pl
>
http://badgas.co.uk/cruel/self_suck.jpg
Magilla
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 12:31:55
From: ronaldo_jeremiah
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Dumbasses -
By the way, don't try to impress us if you do happen to think you know
who came in 8th in the Tour this year. It's a trick question. No one
knows.
-rj
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 12:27:50
From: ronaldo_jeremiah
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Folks -
Magilla is right on this one.
But his anger is misdirected. He shouldn't be angry at Tommy V. It's
not (entirely) his fault that he's a leadass cheese eater who could
never win the Tour. Who wouldn't do what he has done, if they were in
his place? If my only chance of getting paid the big bucks was to try
and pilot a trashcan break, I'd damn well do it. So would you.
Magilla's observation that cycling, even the pro ranks, is conducted
like the Special Olympics, is not far from the truth. For those that
care about the sporting aspect, the sport is more interesting when
there is only one winner. Further, such an arrangement would preserve
the value of coming in, say, 8th in the TdF. Coming in 8th is an
achievement, but no one pays any attention to that (do you know who
came in 8th, without checking?). How can you, when you are forced to
keep track of the stage winner, the green, the spots, the winner of the
Desgrange prime, the white jersey, the best U-boater, the best roleur
from a non-E.U. country, ad infinitum?
You know what I really love? Those regional stage races, like Tour of
Langkawi, that recognize the best Asian rider, or something like that.
WTF?
You don't have to love Magilla to be able to take a step back and see
he is right about his main theme - there is some fucked-up silliness in
cycling.
-rj
P.S. Magilla, was your 1520 on the SAT with the old scoring system or
the new one? And, in either case, is that really worth bragging about?
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Date: 05 Jan 2007 09:55:45
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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In article
<1167769670.036493.323730@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >
,
"ronaldo_jeremiah" <ronaldo_jeremiah@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> P.S. Magilla, was your 1520 on the SAT with the old scoring system or
> the new one? And, in either case, is that really worth bragging about?
What are the old and new systems?
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 23:40:49
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
> P.S. Magilla, was your 1520 on the SAT with the old scoring system or
> the new one? And, in either case, is that really worth bragging about?
Anything less than 1600 means you fucked up.
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 11:34:56
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
Fred Fredburger wrote:
> ronaldo_jeremiah wrote:
>
>> P.S. Magilla, was your 1520 on the SAT with the old scoring system or
>> the new one? And, in either case, is that really worth bragging about?
>
>
> Anything less than 1600 means you fucked up.
You know what....I agree with you. All those homework assignments I
gave you are paying off.
Magilla
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 08:53:55
From: Stu Fleming
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
MagillaGorilla wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>
> Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
> yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
> crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
> fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
> Gibson singing in a mall.
Hey! Debbie did Playboy 20 years down the track.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 16:05:07
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Stu Fleming wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>
>> Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>> yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
>> crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
>> fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
>> Gibson singing in a mall.
>
>
> Hey! Debbie did Playboy 20 years down the track.
Here's the references you left out.
http://www.jjmccain.com/pictures/debbie/deborah_gibson_playboy_03-05_chyna-edit-03.jpg
http://www.chez106.com/images/mornings/debbie_gibson_naked_2.jpe
http://img93.exs.cx/img93/7051/deborahgibsonplayboy083fl.jpg
http://www.our-hero.com/DEBBAH.jpg
Magilla
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 11:22:09
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
> Au contraire. Voeckler continues to get paid. Worked for him. Worked
> for W Bush too, with "Mission Accomplished". He got re-elected and
> still gets paid.
Dumbass,
Comparing W to Voeckler is unfair. Voeckler's tradek
is going on early attacks that inevitably don't lead to victory.
Hey, wait a minute.
Ben
it's good for the sponsors though
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 18:45:11
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> Comparing W to Voeckler is unfair. Voeckler's tradek
> is going on early attacks that inevitably don't lead to victory.
Don't worry, he working on a new strategy .
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Date: 11 Jan 2007 10:38:46
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
>> Comparing W to Voeckler is unfair. Voeckler's tradek
>> is going on early attacks that inevitably don't lead to victory.
Donald Munro wrote:
> Don't worry, he working on a new strategy .
See a brand new shiny happy strategy involving abortive early and mid race
attacks. Its called the Wolkenkuckucksheim strategy.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 18:16:49
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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On 2 Jan 2007 11:22:09 -0800, "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org"
<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:
>Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>> Au contraire. Voeckler continues to get paid. Worked for him. Worked
>> for W Bush too, with "Mission Accomplished". He got re-elected and
>> still gets paid.
>
>Dumbass,
>
>Comparing W to Voeckler is unfair. Voeckler's tradek
>is going on early attacks that inevitably don't lead to victory.
French championship. Paris-Bourges. Some stages in week-long races.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 19:54:41
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 2 Jan 2007 11:22:09 -0800, "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org"
> <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>>>Au contraire. Voeckler continues to get paid. Worked for him. Worked
>>>for W Bush too, with "Mission Accomplished". He got re-elected and
>>>still gets paid.
>>
>>Dumbass,
>>
>>Comparing W to Voeckler is unfair. Voeckler's tradek
>>is going on early attacks that inevitably don't lead to victory.
>
>
> French championship. Paris-Bourges. Some stages in week-long races.
That's a chump race. Winning Paris-Bourges is like Anna Kournikova
winning the Yonex Arkansas Invitational.
Magilla
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 15:01:54
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
>>Au contraire. Voeckler continues to get paid. Worked for him. Worked
>>for W Bush too, with "Mission Accomplished". He got re-elected and
>>still gets paid.
>
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Comparing W to Voeckler is unfair. Voeckler's tradek
> is going on early attacks that inevitably don't lead to victory.
> Hey, wait a minute.
>
> Ben
> it's good for the sponsors though
>
Frivolous name recognition and frivolous keting. As a spectator, I
view Voeckler as a guy who lost the race and is happy about losing. I
would never buy anything associated with him or his team...not because
he lost the race but because he was HAPPY about losing the race and
getting some cheap PR.
Voeckler's claim to fame was basically a publicity stunt like a miler or
400 meter runner who takes the lead of the NYC athon for some camera
time, fades fast, and then finishes an hour and 30 minutes down. The
promoters of the NYC athon don't even allow such pretenders to race
their event, and neither should the Tour.
Let me tell how frivolous Voeckler is. Here's an analogy. What
Voeckler did would be like an NFL team getting the fastest track star
they can find to beat a cornerback into the endzone. And without even
making a touchdown, for the next 4 years all the NFL highlight reels
keep talking about how fast this guy is even though he SUCKS AS A
FOOTBALL PLAYER AND HE DIDN"T EVEN WIN THE GAME.
What has Voeckler won? What Voeckler did in the Tour brings back
painful memories of Steve Bauer in the yellow jersey.
When the yellow jersey exchanges hands in a duel of real GC contenders
like LeMond vs. Fignon...that's cool. I got no problem with that. But
when some ASSHOLE on a trashcan break is allowed to ride 34 minutes up
the road because the real GC contenders are getting a tan...exactly what
the fuck are you trying to sell me on the importance of wearing that jersey?
Voeckler is to cycling as Debbie Gibson is to music.
Thanks,
Magilla
1520 SAT
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 19:51:04
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote in message
news:pxydnf5zDNtpHwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>
> Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
> yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even crack
> the top 20.
Actually, he did, He finished 18th.
> Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the fuck his name is.
> These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie Gibson singing in a
> mall.
>
> This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
> is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>
> What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
> York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
> doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
I'm afraid you're wrong. Bicycle racing in general and the Tour de France in
particular are so interesting just because it's much more that winning.
> And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in the
> athon just because he was "leading" it.
>
> Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense. And
> he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the yellow jersey
> for a couple of days when the real race leaders could care less. What an
> embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of cycling in general.
>
> Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the overall
> GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
By wearing the yellow jersey for ten days, Voeckler earned about $ 500.000
in presence money, endorsing, etc. That's neither pathetic, nor meaningless
and certainly not stupid.
Benjo
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 18:14:33
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:51:04 +0100, "benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl >
wrote:
>
>"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>news:pxydnf5zDNtpHwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>
>> Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>> yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even crack
>> the top 20.
>
>Actually, he did, He finished 18th.
LOL -- thanks for pointing out more magilla stupidilla.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 14:35:30
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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benjo maso wrote:
> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
> news:pxydnf5zDNtpHwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>
>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even crack
>>the top 20.
>
>
> Actually, he did, He finished 18th.
Okay, so he's a great rider after all. NOT.
>
>
>>Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the fuck his name is.
>>These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie Gibson singing in a
>>mall.
>>
>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
>>is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>>
>>What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
>>York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
>>doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
>
>
> I'm afraid you're wrong. Bicycle racing in general and the Tour de France in
> particular are so interesting just because it's much more that winning.
Wrong, Benji. Riders dope because they want to win. Riders like
Ullrich who keep getting second get all schizo, take ecstacy and then
travel to Spain to pay doctors $70,000 for blood transfusion programs.
Pro cycling is all about winning. Ask Bettini. Ask Boonen. Ask
Museuuw. Ask Armstrong, Hinault, LeMond, etc..
Do you know who Lance Armstrong is without his Tour victories and world
championship win? He's Ernie Lechuga.
>
>
>>And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in the
>>athon just because he was "leading" it.
>>
>>Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense. And
>>he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the yellow jersey
>>for a couple of days when the real race leaders could care less. What an
>>embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of cycling in general.
>>
>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the overall
>>GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>
>
> By wearing the yellow jersey for ten days, Voeckler earned about $ 500.000
> in presence money, endorsing, etc. That's neither pathetic, nor meaningless
> and certainly not stupid.
So that makes him a great rider and a respectable cyclist?
I'm calling the dog catcher, Benji.
Magilla
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 23:33:02
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
MagillaGorilla wrote:
> benjo maso wrote:
>> By wearing the yellow jersey for ten days, Voeckler earned about $
>> 500.000 in presence money, endorsing, etc. That's neither pathetic,
>> nor meaningless and certainly not stupid.
>
> So that makes him a great rider and a respectable cyclist?
It makes him $500,000 richer than you and I. That's not just "pretend".
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 11:37:47
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Fred Fredburger wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>> benjo maso wrote:
>
>
>>> By wearing the yellow jersey for ten days, Voeckler earned about $
>>> 500.000 in presence money, endorsing, etc. That's neither pathetic,
>>> nor meaningless and certainly not stupid.
>>
>>
>> So that makes him a great rider and a respectable cyclist?
>
>
> It makes him $500,000 richer than you and I. That's not just "pretend".
That would be relevant if this were a thread about money. But it's not.
Magilla
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 18:17:21
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 14:35:30 -0500, MagillaGorilla
<MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote:
>benjo maso wrote:
>
>> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:pxydnf5zDNtpHwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>
>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>>
>>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even crack
>>>the top 20.
>>
>>
>> Actually, he did, He finished 18th.
>
>Okay, so he's a great rider after all. NOT.
OK, so you're a dope. YES.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 21:47:33
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote in message
news:SwqdndR4DcOeKQfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> benjo maso wrote:
>
>> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:pxydnf5zDNtpHwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>
>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>>
>>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even crack
>>>the top 20.
>>
>>
>> Actually, he did, He finished 18th.
>
> Okay, so he's a great rider after all. NOT.
>
>>
>>
>>>Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the fuck his name is.
>>>These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie Gibson singing in a
>>>mall.
>>>
>>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
>>>is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>>>
>>>What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
>>>York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
>>>doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
>>
>>
>> I'm afraid you're wrong. Bicycle racing in general and the Tour de France
>> in particular are so interesting just because it's much more that
>> winning.
>
> Wrong, Benji. Riders dope because they want to win. Riders like Ullrich
> who keep getting second get all schizo, take ecstacy and then travel to
> Spain to pay doctors $70,000 for blood transfusion programs. Pro cycling
> is all about winning. Ask Bettini. Ask Boonen. Ask Museuuw. Ask
> Armstrong, Hinault, LeMond, etc..
>
> Do you know who Lance Armstrong is without his Tour victories and world
> championship win? He's Ernie Lechuga.
About 5 % of the riders going to the Tour are seriously trying to win, about
80 to 90 % are taking dope. That's what I mean saying that bicycle racing is
much more interesting than just winning.
>>>And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in
>>>the athon just because he was "leading" it.
>>>
>>>Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense. And
>>>he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the yellow jersey
>>>for a couple of days when the real race leaders could care less. What an
>>>embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of cycling in general.
>>>
>>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
>>>overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>>
>>
>> By wearing the yellow jersey for ten days, Voeckler earned about $
>> 500.000 in presence money, endorsing, etc. That's neither pathetic, nor
>> meaningless and certainly not stupid.
>
> So that makes him a great rider and a respectable cyclist?
Nobody ever claimed that Voeckler is a great rider. But you said that
"wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the overall
GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid." Earning a half million dollars
isn't exactly meaningless in my opinion. And believe me, a lot of riders
would have been very happy if they could have taken Voeckler's place. So
even from a purely sportimng perspective it isn't at all meaningless or
stupid.
Benjo
> I'm calling the dog catcher, Benji.
>
> Magilla
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 16:09:27
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
benjo maso wrote:
> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
> news:SwqdndR4DcOeKQfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
>>benjo maso wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:pxydnf5zDNtpHwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>>>
>>>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even crack
>>>>the top 20.
>>>
>>>
>>>Actually, he did, He finished 18th.
>>
>>Okay, so he's a great rider after all. NOT.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the fuck his name is.
>>>>These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie Gibson singing in a
>>>>mall.
>>>>
>>>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
>>>>is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>>>>
>>>>What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
>>>>York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
>>>>doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm afraid you're wrong. Bicycle racing in general and the Tour de France
>>>in particular are so interesting just because it's much more that
>>>winning.
>>
>>Wrong, Benji. Riders dope because they want to win. Riders like Ullrich
>>who keep getting second get all schizo, take ecstacy and then travel to
>>Spain to pay doctors $70,000 for blood transfusion programs. Pro cycling
>>is all about winning. Ask Bettini. Ask Boonen. Ask Museuuw. Ask
>>Armstrong, Hinault, LeMond, etc..
>>
>>Do you know who Lance Armstrong is without his Tour victories and world
>>championship win? He's Ernie Lechuga.
>
>
> About 5 % of the riders going to the Tour are seriously trying to win, about
> 80 to 90 % are taking dope. That's what I mean saying that bicycle racing is
> much more interesting than just winning.
>
>
>
>>>>And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in
>>>>the athon just because he was "leading" it.
>>>>
>>>>Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense. And
>>>>he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the yellow jersey
>>>>for a couple of days when the real race leaders could care less. What an
>>>>embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of cycling in general.
>>>>
>>>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
>>>>overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>>By wearing the yellow jersey for ten days, Voeckler earned about $
>>>500.000 in presence money, endorsing, etc. That's neither pathetic, nor
>>>meaningless and certainly not stupid.
>>
>>So that makes him a great rider and a respectable cyclist?
>
>
> Nobody ever claimed that http://www.our-hero.com/DEBBAH.jpg is a great rider. But you said that
> "wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the overall
> GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid." Earning a half million dollars
> isn't exactly meaningless in my opinion. And believe me, a lot of riders
> would have been very happy if they could have taken Voeckler's place. So
> even from a purely sportimng perspective it isn't at all meaningless or
> stupid.
>
>
> Benjo
>
>
>
>
>>I'm calling the dog catcher, Benji.
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
>
What does money have to do with this thread? The next thing you're
going to tell me is Paris Hilton is someone I should worship because she
makes a lot of money.
How did Voeckler make a half a million?
Magilla
|
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 22:53:06
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote in message
news:gD6dnU-_oLKVVwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> benjo maso wrote:
>
>> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:SwqdndR4DcOeKQfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>
>>>benjo maso wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:pxydnf5zDNtpHwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>>>>
>>>>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>>>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
>>>>>crack the top 20.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Actually, he did, He finished 18th.
>>>
>>>Okay, so he's a great rider after all. NOT.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the fuck his name is.
>>>>>These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie Gibson singing in a
>>>>>mall.
>>>>>
>>>>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is
>>>>>finished is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to
>>>>>the sport.
>>>>>
>>>>>What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
>>>>>York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
>>>>>doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm afraid you're wrong. Bicycle racing in general and the Tour de
>>>>France in particular are so interesting just because it's much more that
>>>>winning.
>>>
>>>Wrong, Benji. Riders dope because they want to win. Riders like
>>>Ullrich who keep getting second get all schizo, take ecstacy and then
>>>travel to Spain to pay doctors $70,000 for blood transfusion programs.
>>>Pro cycling is all about winning. Ask Bettini. Ask Boonen. Ask Museuuw.
>>>Ask Armstrong, Hinault, LeMond, etc..
>>>
>>>Do you know who Lance Armstrong is without his Tour victories and world
>>>championship win? He's Ernie Lechuga.
>>
>>
>> About 5 % of the riders going to the Tour are seriously trying to win,
>> about 80 to 90 % are taking dope. That's what I mean saying that bicycle
>> racing is much more interesting than just winning.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in
>>>>>the athon just because he was "leading" it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense.
>>>>>And he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the yellow
>>>>>jersey for a couple of days when the real race leaders could care less.
>>>>>What an embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of cycling in
>>>>>general.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
>>>>>overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>By wearing the yellow jersey for ten days, Voeckler earned about $
>>>>500.000 in presence money, endorsing, etc. That's neither pathetic, nor
>>>>meaningless and certainly not stupid.
>>>
>>>So that makes him a great rider and a respectable cyclist?
>>
>>
>> Nobody ever claimed that http://www.our-hero.com/DEBBAH.jpg is a great
>> rider. But you said that "wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no
>> chance of winning the overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid."
>> Earning a half million dollars isn't exactly meaningless in my opinion.
>> And believe me, a lot of riders would have been very happy if they could
>> have taken Voeckler's place. So even from a purely sportimng perspective
>> it isn't at all meaningless or stupid.
>>
>>
>> Benjo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I'm calling the dog catcher, Benji.
>>>
>>>Magilla
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> What does money have to do with this thread? The next thing you're going
> to tell me is Paris Hilton is someone I should worship because she makes a
> lot of money.
Read your own statment: "Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance
of winning the overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid".
> How did Voeckler make a half a million?
Guess.
Benjo
|
| | | | | | |
Date: 02 Jan 2007 19:51:51
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
benjo maso wrote:
> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
> news:gD6dnU-_oLKVVwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
>>benjo maso wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:SwqdndR4DcOeKQfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>benjo maso wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:pxydnf5zDNtpHwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>>>>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
>>>>>>crack the top 20.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, he did, He finished 18th.
>>>>
>>>>Okay, so he's a great rider after all. NOT.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the fuck his name is.
>>>>>>These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie Gibson singing in a
>>>>>>mall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is
>>>>>>finished is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to
>>>>>>the sport.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
>>>>>>York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
>>>>>>doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm afraid you're wrong. Bicycle racing in general and the Tour de
>>>>>France in particular are so interesting just because it's much more that
>>>>>winning.
>>>>
>>>>Wrong, Benji. Riders dope because they want to win. Riders like
>>>>Ullrich who keep getting second get all schizo, take ecstacy and then
>>>>travel to Spain to pay doctors $70,000 for blood transfusion programs.
>>>>Pro cycling is all about winning. Ask Bettini. Ask Boonen. Ask Museuuw.
>>>>Ask Armstrong, Hinault, LeMond, etc..
>>>>
>>>>Do you know who Lance Armstrong is without his Tour victories and world
>>>>championship win? He's Ernie Lechuga.
>>>
>>>
>>>About 5 % of the riders going to the Tour are seriously trying to win,
>>>about 80 to 90 % are taking dope. That's what I mean saying that bicycle
>>>racing is much more interesting than just winning.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in
>>>>>>the athon just because he was "leading" it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense.
>>>>>>And he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the yellow
>>>>>>jersey for a couple of days when the real race leaders could care less.
>>>>>>What an embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of cycling in
>>>>>>general.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
>>>>>>overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>By wearing the yellow jersey for ten days, Voeckler earned about $
>>>>>500.000 in presence money, endorsing, etc. That's neither pathetic, nor
>>>>>meaningless and certainly not stupid.
>>>>
>>>>So that makes him a great rider and a respectable cyclist?
>>>
>>>
>>>Nobody ever claimed that http://www.our-hero.com/DEBBAH.jpg is a great
>>>rider. But you said that "wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no
>>>chance of winning the overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid."
>>>Earning a half million dollars isn't exactly meaningless in my opinion.
>>>And believe me, a lot of riders would have been very happy if they could
>>>have taken Voeckler's place. So even from a purely sportimng perspective
>>>it isn't at all meaningless or stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>>Benjo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm calling the dog catcher, Benji.
>>>>
>>>>Magilla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>What does money have to do with this thread? The next thing you're going
>>to tell me is Paris Hilton is someone I should worship because she makes a
>>lot of money.
>
>
> Read your own statment: "Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance
> of winning the overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid".
>
>
>>How did Voeckler make a half a million?
>
>
> Guess.
>
> Benjo
>
>
I don't guess. Tell me.
Magilla
|
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 04:27:27
From: benjo maso
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote in message
news:gFKdnWh-eru6YwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> benjo maso wrote:
>
>> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:gD6dnU-_oLKVVwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>
>>>benjo maso wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:SwqdndR4DcOeKQfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>benjo maso wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:pxydnf5zDNtpHwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>>>>>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
>>>>>>>crack the top 20.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually, he did, He finished 18th.
>>>>>
>>>>>Okay, so he's a great rider after all. NOT.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the fuck his name is.
>>>>>>>These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie Gibson singing in a
>>>>>>>mall.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is
>>>>>>>finished is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment
>>>>>>>to the sport.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the
>>>>>>>New York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting
>>>>>>>dropped...and doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing
>>>>>>>30 minutes down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm afraid you're wrong. Bicycle racing in general and the Tour de
>>>>>>France in particular are so interesting just because it's much more
>>>>>>that winning.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wrong, Benji. Riders dope because they want to win. Riders like
>>>>>Ullrich who keep getting second get all schizo, take ecstacy and then
>>>>>travel to Spain to pay doctors $70,000 for blood transfusion programs.
>>>>>Pro cycling is all about winning. Ask Bettini. Ask Boonen. Ask
>>>>>Museuuw. Ask Armstrong, Hinault, LeMond, etc..
>>>>>
>>>>>Do you know who Lance Armstrong is without his Tour victories and world
>>>>>championship win? He's Ernie Lechuga.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>About 5 % of the riders going to the Tour are seriously trying to win,
>>>>about 80 to 90 % are taking dope. That's what I mean saying that bicycle
>>>>racing is much more interesting than just winning.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was
>>>>>>>in the athon just because he was "leading" it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense.
>>>>>>>And he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the
>>>>>>>yellow jersey for a couple of days when the real race leaders could
>>>>>>>care less. What an embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of
>>>>>>>cycling in general.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
>>>>>>>overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>By wearing the yellow jersey for ten days, Voeckler earned about $
>>>>>>500.000 in presence money, endorsing, etc. That's neither pathetic,
>>>>>>nor meaningless and certainly not stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>So that makes him a great rider and a respectable cyclist?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Nobody ever claimed that http://www.our-hero.com/DEBBAH.jpg is a great
>>>>rider. But you said that "wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no
>>>>chance of winning the overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid."
>>>>Earning a half million dollars isn't exactly meaningless in my opinion.
>>>>And believe me, a lot of riders would have been very happy if they could
>>>>have taken Voeckler's place. So even from a purely sportimng perspective
>>>>it isn't at all meaningless or stupid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Benjo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'm calling the dog catcher, Benji.
>>>>>
>>>>>Magilla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>What does money have to do with this thread? The next thing you're going
>>>to tell me is Paris Hilton is someone I should worship because she makes
>>>a lot of money.
>>
>>
>> Read your own statment: "Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no
>> chance of winning the overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid".
>>
>>
>>>How did Voeckler make a half a million?
>>
>>
>> Guess.
>>
>> Benjo
>
>
> I don't guess. Tell me.
I'll give you some clues:
1. The Tour de France is one of the most important sporting events in
France.
2. Lacking a winner and even a serious contender, Voeckler, ten days yellow
jersey and defending it in a spectacular way, was the great French hero of
the Tour of 2004
3. After the Tour there are a lot of criteriums, kermesses, track races,
etc.where the organizers are paying much a lot of money to the most popular
riders.
3. Companies, firms, brands, etc. love to call in a sporting hero for a
publicity campaign and what's more, they are willing to pay for it.
4. Sponsors love to get a lot of publicity and are willing to pay extra
money to their most succesfull riders and offering them new favorable
contracts.
Benjo
|
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Date: 07 Jan 2007 21:22:46
From: trg
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
"benjo maso" <benjo.maso@chello.nl > a écrit dans le message de news:
500m50F1dtvqdU1@mid.individual.net...
|
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 01:58:28
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
benjo maso wrote:
> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
> news:gFKdnWh-eru6YwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
>>benjo maso wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:gD6dnU-_oLKVVwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>benjo maso wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:SwqdndR4DcOeKQfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>benjo maso wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:pxydnf5zDNtpHwfYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>>>>>>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
>>>>>>>>crack the top 20.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Actually, he did, He finished 18th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Okay, so he's a great rider after all. NOT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the fuck his name is.
>>>>>>>>These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie Gibson singing in a
>>>>>>>>mall.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is
>>>>>>>>finished is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment
>>>>>>>>to the sport.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the
>>>>>>>>New York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting
>>>>>>>>dropped...and doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing
>>>>>>>>30 minutes down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm afraid you're wrong. Bicycle racing in general and the Tour de
>>>>>>>France in particular are so interesting just because it's much more
>>>>>>>that winning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wrong, Benji. Riders dope because they want to win. Riders like
>>>>>>Ullrich who keep getting second get all schizo, take ecstacy and then
>>>>>>travel to Spain to pay doctors $70,000 for blood transfusion programs.
>>>>>>Pro cycling is all about winning. Ask Bettini. Ask Boonen. Ask
>>>>>>Museuuw. Ask Armstrong, Hinault, LeMond, etc..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you know who Lance Armstrong is without his Tour victories and world
>>>>>>championship win? He's Ernie Lechuga.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>About 5 % of the riders going to the Tour are seriously trying to win,
>>>>>about 80 to 90 % are taking dope. That's what I mean saying that bicycle
>>>>>racing is much more interesting than just winning.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was
>>>>>>>>in the athon just because he was "leading" it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense.
>>>>>>>>And he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the
>>>>>>>>yellow jersey for a couple of days when the real race leaders could
>>>>>>>>care less. What an embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of
>>>>>>>>cycling in general.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
>>>>>>>>overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>By wearing the yellow jersey for ten days, Voeckler earned about $
>>>>>>>500.000 in presence money, endorsing, etc. That's neither pathetic,
>>>>>>>nor meaningless and certainly not stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So that makes him a great rider and a respectable cyclist?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nobody ever claimed that http://www.our-hero.com/DEBBAH.jpg is a great
>>>>>rider. But you said that "wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no
>>>>>chance of winning the overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid."
>>>>>Earning a half million dollars isn't exactly meaningless in my opinion.
>>>>>And believe me, a lot of riders would have been very happy if they could
>>>>>have taken Voeckler's place. So even from a purely sportimng perspective
>>>>>it isn't at all meaningless or stupid.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Benjo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm calling the dog catcher, Benji.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Magilla
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>What does money have to do with this thread? The next thing you're going
>>>>to tell me is Paris Hilton is someone I should worship because she makes
>>>>a lot of money.
>>>
>>>
>>>Read your own statment: "Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no
>>>chance of winning the overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>How did Voeckler make a half a million?
>>>
>>>
>>>Guess.
>>>
>>>Benjo
>>
>>
>>I don't guess. Tell me.
>
>
>
> I'll give you some clues:
> 1. The Tour de France is one of the most important sporting events in
> France.
> 2. Lacking a winner and even a serious contender, Voeckler, ten days yellow
> jersey and defending it in a spectacular way, was the great French hero of
> the Tour of 2004
> 3. After the Tour there are a lot of criteriums, kermesses, track races,
> etc.where the organizers are paying much a lot of money to the most popular
> riders.
> 3. Companies, firms, brands, etc. love to call in a sporting hero for a
> publicity campaign and what's more, they are willing to pay for it.
> 4. Sponsors love to get a lot of publicity and are willing to pay extra
> money to their most succesfull riders and offering them new favorable
> contracts.
>
> Benjo
>
>
>
So how exactly can you be popular if you're not a winner or serious
contender in a sporting event (other than being Anna Kournikova, which I
can comprehend)?
The same country that had to beat down the Germans in Normandy is the
same country whose rider beat down the German Ullrich in France year
after year. And once again, the French play these little patty cake
games behind enemy lines in the green zone.
If Landis wins his case, I'm going to spend an entire day ragging on the
LNDD lab and the French people.
Thanks for the Statue of Liberty though.
Magilla
|
| |
Date: 02 Jan 2007 10:41:55
From: rick-paulos@uiowa.edu
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
So in light of this attitude, I assume you would want all stage races
to eliminate all time bonuses for the sprinters since they have no
chance at winning the overall and the time bonus's only purpose is to
put some sprinter in yellow for a few days.
And of course you would want the prologs eliminated too since they
exist only to put someone in yellow.
And to complete this anti-sprinter mindset, eliminate all time bonuses
for all mountain stages too because you don't want to give one climber
a bonus over another because he can out sprint the next.
Rick
MagillaGorilla wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>
> Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
> yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
> crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
> fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
> Gibson singing in a mall.
>
> This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
> is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>
> What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
> York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
> doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
> And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in
> the athon just because he was "leading" it.
>
> Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense.
> And he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the yellow
> jersey for a couple of days when the real race leaders could care less.
> What an embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of cycling in
> general.
>
> Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
> overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Magilla
|
| | |
Date: 02 Jan 2007 14:25:23
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
|
rick-paulos@uiowa.edu wrote:
> So in light of this attitude, I assume you would want all stage races
> to eliminate all time bonuses for the sprinters since they have no
> chance at winning the overall and the time bonus's only purpose is to
> put some sprinter in yellow for a few days.
Yes. Time bonuses on flat stages are gay.
>
> And of course you would want the prologs eliminated too since they
> exist only to put someone in yellow.
No, prologues are a legitimate time trial.
>
> And to complete this anti-sprinter mindset, eliminate all time bonuses
> for all mountain stages too because you don't want to give one climber
> a bonus over another because he can out sprint the next.
Time bonuses on mountain stages are cool.
>
> Rick
>
>
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>
>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
>>crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
>>fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
>>Gibson singing in a mall.
>>
>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
>>is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>>
>>What Voeckler did is the equivalent of a talented miler leading the New
>>York City athon for the first 2 miles and then getting dropped...and
>>doing that knowing he would get dropped and finishing 30 minutes down.
>>And then he tries to tell everyone how great a performance that was in
>>the athon just because he was "leading" it.
>>
>>Since the Tour Voeckler won nothing but some trivial French nonsense.
>>And he's the lead story in cyclingnews just because he wore the yellow
>>jersey for a couple of days when the real race leaders could care less.
>> What an embarassment to Hinault's legacy and the sport of cycling in
>>general.
>>
>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
>>overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 10:34:11
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>
> Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
> yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
> crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
> fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
> Gibson singing in a mall.
>
> This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
> is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
<snip >
> Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
> overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
Dumbass -
Au contraire. Voeckler continues to get paid. Worked for him. Worked
for W Bush too, with "Mission Accomplished". He got re-elected and
still gets paid.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 14:20:39
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>
>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
>>crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
>>fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
>>Gibson singing in a mall.
>>
>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
>>is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>
>
> <snip>
>
>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
>>overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> Au contraire. Voeckler continues to get paid. Worked for him. Worked
> for W Bush too, with "Mission Accomplished". He got re-elected and
> still gets paid.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.
>
I wasn't talking about his salary. I'm talking about his career, his
legacy. It's an illusion. The fact that some French team is willing to
pay him for this illusion has nothing to do with the fact that his
career pales are garbage.
No, I thank you,
Magilla
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 19:40:27
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>
>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>>
>>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
>>>crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
>>>fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
>>>Gibson singing in a mall.
>>>
>>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
>>>is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>>
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
>>>overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dumbass -
>>
>>
>> Au contraire. Voeckler continues to get paid. Worked for him. Worked
>> for W Bush too, with "Mission Accomplished". He got re-elected and
>> still gets paid.
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> K. Gringioni.
>>
>
>
> I wasn't talking about his salary. I'm talking about his career, his
> legacy. It's an illusion. The fact that some French team is willing to
> pay him for this illusion has nothing to do with the fact that his
> career pales are garbage.
And yet it is Voeckler who gets a write-up in cyclingnews while you spend
your time arguing on usenet with people you think are retards.
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 21:19:15
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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> And yet it is Voeckler who gets a write-up in cyclingnews while you spend
> your time arguing on usenet with people you think are retards.
>
> --
> Bill Asher
And what does that say about us?
Obviously Magilla has some entertainment value. And just as obviously, he's
jealous that Voeckler gets paid for entertaining us, while Magilla is
collecting the last of his unemployment insurance.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"William Asher" <gcnp58@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:Xns98AC76EDE953FkldeltaC@130.133.1.4...
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>> Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>>
>>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>>>
>>>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
>>>>crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
>>>>fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
>>>>Gibson singing in a mall.
>>>>
>>>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
>>>>is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>>>
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
>>>>overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dumbass -
>>>
>>>
>>> Au contraire. Voeckler continues to get paid. Worked for him. Worked
>>> for W Bush too, with "Mission Accomplished". He got re-elected and
>>> still gets paid.
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> K. Gringioni.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I wasn't talking about his salary. I'm talking about his career, his
>> legacy. It's an illusion. The fact that some French team is willing to
>> pay him for this illusion has nothing to do with the fact that his
>> career pales are garbage.
>
> And yet it is Voeckler who gets a write-up in cyclingnews while you spend
> your time arguing on usenet with people you think are retards.
>
> --
> Bill Asher
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Date: 04 Jan 2007 05:50:14
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote in
news:n5Vmh.42170$wc5.40166@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net:
>> And yet it is Voeckler who gets a write-up in cyclingnews while you
>> spend your time arguing on usenet with people you think are retards.
>>
>
> And what does that say about us?
>
I suspect most people post here because it's too hard to get a word in
edgewise on alt.flame or alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 15:37:10
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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William Asher wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>
>>Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
>>
>>
>>>MagillaGorilla wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jan07/jan02news
>>>>
>>>>Here's a guy who thinks he's done something in the sport by wearing a
>>>>yellow jersey knowing full well he would never keep it and not even
>>>>crack the top 20. Same with that jackass Bertogliatta or whatever the
>>>>fuck his name is. These riders are all one trick ponies like Debbie
>>>>Gibson singing in a mall.
>>>>
>>>>This whole idea of celebrating interim leaders before a race is finished
>>>>is stupid and really needs to stop. It's an embarrassment to the sport.
>>>
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>Wearing the yellow jersey with absolutely no chance of winning the
>>>>overall GC is pathetic, meaningless, and stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dumbass -
>>>
>>>
>>>Au contraire. Voeckler continues to get paid. Worked for him. Worked
>>>for W Bush too, with "Mission Accomplished". He got re-elected and
>>>still gets paid.
>>>
>>>
>>>thanks,
>>>
>>>K. Gringioni.
>>>
>>
>>
>>I wasn't talking about his salary. I'm talking about his career, his
>>legacy. It's an illusion. The fact that some French team is willing to
>>pay him for this illusion has nothing to do with the fact that his
>>career pales are garbage.
>
>
> And yet it is Voeckler who gets a write-up in cyclingnews while you spend
> your time arguing on usenet with people you think are retards.
>
No matter what you say, Voeckler still sucks. What, you think he's
successful because someone did a write-up on him in cyclingnews? PUH-LEEZ.
And my function in here it that of a special education teacher. I am
proud of working with all the savants and autistic children in here.
It's very noble work actually.
Magilla
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 11:26:16
From: Geraard Spergen
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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MagillaGorilla wrote:
> I wasn't talking about his salary. I'm talking about his career, his
> legacy. It's an illusion. The fact that some French team is willing to
> pay him for this illusion has nothing to do with the fact that his
> career pales are garbage.
The illusion is that any sportsman's career is about anything other than
celebrity.
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Date: 02 Jan 2007 14:38:57
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: Voeckler the Pretender
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Geraard Spergen wrote:
> MagillaGorilla wrote:
>
>> I wasn't talking about his salary. I'm talking about his career, his
>> legacy. It's an illusion. The fact that some French team is willing
>> to pay him for this illusion has nothing to do with the fact that his
>> career pales are garbage.
>
>
> The illusion is that any sportsman's career is about anything other than
> celebrity.
There might be something profound in this statement.
Magilla
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