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Date: 20 May 2007 04:30:04
From: Burt
Subject: WADA - our job is to declare athletes guilty
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http://doucheblogcycling.blogspot.com/2007/05/wada-our-job-is-to-declare-athletes.html
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Date: 20 May 2007 10:17:37
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: WADA - our job is to declare athletes guilty
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On May 20, 12:16 pm, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On 20 May 2007 06:32:40 -0700, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >I have this really twisted sense of justice I believe in what this
> >represents:
> >http://www.statue.com/lady-justice-statues.html
>
> > Wada, and any group doing investigation and adjudication needs to be
> >impartial and transparent. I'm doing a slow burn now over this crap
> >here:
>
> >http://www.1010wins.com/pages/478952.php?contentType=4&contentId=519399
>
> Some number of NYPRs join the police to be a part of the larger better armed
> gang. These two are nothing but a couple of couple of demographic outliers - not
> part of an overall problem (other than examplars of some aspects of human
> nature). Otherwise it seems Puerto Ricans are going to take over the Irish slot
> in law enforcement.
>
> >If Wada's goal is to be a tool for a purpose, as the inquisition was,
> >then so be it and lets get the mainstream sports press to publish it.
> > Bill C
>
> Nah, it's lousy, dirty, and mostly uninteresting except in a sideshow freak kind
> of way.
>
> Ron
Never even really noticed they were PR. Race, or ethnicity really
doesn't register unless someone is making it relevant by expoiting it,
or bitching about. I know way too many people of all races, and
ethnicities who are both good people and scum to think that makes any
difference. I'll admit a fondness for the Cuban exile community. The
family two houses up the street, and quite a few others here, were
part of that and I grew up listening to all the stories from my
friend's Grandfather and soaking up the culture. Then met a lot of
great Cuban people in Miami and Orlando too.
Just saw another couple of scumbag cops. There should be a tag to add
onto the charges related to violating the public trust for government
types who break the law that doubles the penalty.
Bill C
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Date: 20 May 2007 07:47:47
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: WADA - our job is to declare athletes guilty
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On May 20, 10:31 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
>
> My sympathies. But looking more closely, you see that qualified,
> independent arbitrators are JUDGING the matter. That is not where the
> injustice would arise. But, after any award in favor of the accused
> athlete, the process changes, darkly.
>
> After losing, USADA or WADA or UCI may refer the matter for "arbitration"
> under the aegis of the TAS. TAS rules are extremely strict as to appeals,
> and they favor prosecution. The authority which requests the appeal be
> heard will be judged by arbitrators who have been appointed, two-thirds, by
> the national and international sporting federations. Should that latter
> panel wish to review the case de novo, then they can do that, and the rules
> of arbitration for TAS are _significantly_ different from AAA rules, all in
> favor of finding an athlete in violation. The process you are (maybe)
> observing at this point is being handled as even-handedly as is the usual in
> AAA arb matters, but that does not guarantee the future disposition.
> --
> Bonne route !
>
> Sandy
> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I may be mistaken on this and if I am, thank you in advance for
repairing that.
Maybe I'm missing something but aren't the arbitrators hired by, and
paid by USADA? Aren't they transported here, housed, etc...by Usada
money?
If I'm wrong then the process is slightly better than I thought at
this point, but if the prosecution is hiring and paying the judge, and
the judge would like to keep the gig then they vote the "right" way.
He testified that anyone acting under Wada is expected to support the
Wada position, or else. How would that allow someone hired by an arm
of Wada to be independent?
Bill C
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Date: 20 May 2007 16:59:50
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: WADA - our job is to declare athletes guilty
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Dans le message de
news:1179672467.650178.313230@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> On May 20, 10:31 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>
> I may be mistaken on this and if I am, thank you in advance for
> repairing that.
>
> Maybe I'm missing something but aren't the arbitrators hired by, and
> paid by USADA? Aren't they transported here, housed, etc...by Usada
> money?
The parties to the arb pay the arbitrators, and depending on the award, one
side may be forced to take on a larger share.
> If I'm wrong then the process is slightly better than I thought at
> this point, but if the prosecution is hiring and paying the judge, and
> the judge would like to keep the gig then they vote the "right" way.
Arbitrators can be excluded from the panel, if they are blatantly going to
favor one side. If there is a dispute over this, the AAA makes the decision
if a protest is filed.
> He testified that anyone acting under Wada is expected to support the
> Wada position, or else. How would that allow someone hired by an arm
> of Wada to be independent?
The arbitrators agree that the rules governing how and what they are charged
to find are those of US cycling, which are UCI rules, which includes WADA
rules. You can't ask them to go by playground rules. The arbitrators act
independently, within that structure.
--
Bonne route !
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
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Date: 20 May 2007 06:50:26
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: WADA - our job is to declare athletes guilty
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On May 20, 8:46 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:1179661838.681708.54560@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.co=
m,
> Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et puis a d=E9clar=E9 :
>
> > On May 20, 7:30 am, Burt <burt.hoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://doucheblogcycling.blogspot.com/2007/05/wada-our-job-is-to-decl...
>
> > Great stuff. Thanks for posting it. This confirms what most of us non-
> > crusaders have suspected and been saying all along. There is no chance
> > for justice from Wada.
> > Bill C
>
> Maybe you're right. But before criticizing WADA, one has to look at how =
it
> came to exist, what its mission is, who dictated it, and who has control
> over it.
>
> The International Olympic Committee has, for a long time, focused on
> pharmaceutical cheating. It is popular knowledge that sports were a major
> propaganda instrument for the Old World Order of Iron Curtain days.
> Reasonable belief held that athletes of communist countries were achieving
> victories based on chemistry. This was a carryover of the policy of
> fighting [no, not a Godwin point] Hitler, who sought to prove that the ar=
yan
> race has inherent superiority, again a propaganda matter.
>
> So, with the "free" world taking the lead, a culture of inquisition arose=
to
> challenge the wins of those bad people. In consequence, a moralizing
> economic interest group - doping specialists - snowballed their specialty
> into a sky-is-falling crusade, and by relying on ancient fears of dominat=
ion
> by slavs and asians, moved the process onward, lobbied against what was
> presented as national systemic cheating, and asked the awkward question :
> "Does your nation support pumping drugs into people to gain the rewards t=
hat
> should fall to those who use their natural ability and personal dedication
> to reach the same levels of competitiveness ?" Tough to answer "yes".
>
> With that, and the willingness of makers of therapeutic diagnostic machin=
ery
> to pervert the original purposes, the anti-doping lobby gained acceptance.
> That goal was much easier to achieve than, for example, having Columbia
> exterminate cocaine traffic, or having Afghanistan abandon poppy
> cultivation. One war on some drugs could be won, all supporting countries
> and sports federations could claim honor and victory, and money could
> continue to be made, abundantly.
>
> When a doping violation is found, disclosed to reporters, publicized,
> another seemingly stray remnant of cheating is pilloried in public. We c=
an
> all feel good about ourselves, as though it were the last pederast on ear=
th
> who was emasculated. But, like cockroaches in a New York kitchen, another
> one arises, then another, and yet more. Like those cockroaches, the dope=
rs
> adapt to the means of extermination, and they and the hunters are both mo=
ved
> another step ahead in the escalation of means of doping versus means of
> detection. So far, it seems to be chemistry.
>
> However, the next step is much stricter. The next step will penalize
> athletes who "suffer" from physiologies that are out of norm. What is
> normal for a world-class athlete ? Well, as in the case of Santhi
> Soundarajan, it was an unmodified personal genetic profile that banned her
> genotype. Genetic therapy has often been suggested as a next phase of
> enhancing performance, and we are nearly there, so far as the IOC's
> decisions stand. Soon, a single homogeneous profile of what constitutes a
> human - man or woman - will need to be established, so that outliers can =
be
> culled. That means that we will want the average person to be the only o=
ne
> elegible to compete. No freaks of nature (it is often commented that
> Indurain and Armstrong are such), and none with genetic modifications.
>
> All this going to prove, that the underlying xenophobia, rampant
> nationalism, racism, and desire for hegemony have changed not at all from
> the times of the original olympic games. After all, it was always a game
> with an aim of being able to say, "Us guys are better than yous guys." B=
ut
> now, it's probably the drug and equipment companies which take the place =
of
> nations, and WADA fits their bill perfectly as their prophet.
> --
> Bonne route !
>
> Sandy
> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
My newsreader is acting up, but one other thought I'd like to add to
the post that should show up is that the group responsible for
investigating and prosecuting violators, of any sort, should never be
the same one adjudicating. It's been proven, over and over, that lack
of independent oversight and review lends itself quite nicely to
abuses and agendas that have nothing to do with justice or fairness.
I think that's exactly what was testified to in this case.
Bill C
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Date: 20 May 2007 16:31:21
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: WADA - our job is to declare athletes guilty
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Dans le message de
news:1179669026.112132.210930@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> On May 20, 8:46 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>> Dans le message
>> denews:1179661838.681708.54560@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com, Bill C
>> <tritonri...@verizon.net> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>>
>>> On May 20, 7:30 am, Burt <burt.hoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> http://doucheblogcycling.blogspot.com/2007/05/wada-our-job-is-to-decl...
>>
>>> Great stuff. Thanks for posting it. This confirms what most of us
>>> non- crusaders have suspected and been saying all along. There is
>>> no chance for justice from Wada.
>>> Bill C
>>
>> Maybe you're right. But before criticizing WADA, one has to look at
>> how it came to exist, what its mission is, who dictated it, and who
>> has control over it.
>>
>> The International Olympic Committee has, for a long time, focused on
>> pharmaceutical cheating. It is popular knowledge that sports were a
>> major propaganda instrument for the Old World Order of Iron Curtain
>> days. Reasonable belief held that athletes of communist countries
>> were achieving victories based on chemistry. This was a carryover
>> of the policy of fighting [no, not a Godwin point] Hitler, who
>> sought to prove that the aryan race has inherent superiority, again
>> a propaganda matter.
>>
>> So, with the "free" world taking the lead, a culture of inquisition
>> arose to challenge the wins of those bad people. In consequence, a
>> moralizing economic interest group - doping specialists - snowballed
>> their specialty into a sky-is-falling crusade, and by relying on
>> ancient fears of domination by slavs and asians, moved the process
>> onward, lobbied against what was presented as national systemic
>> cheating, and asked the awkward question : "Does your nation support
>> pumping drugs into people to gain the rewards that should fall to
>> those who use their natural ability and personal dedication to reach
>> the same levels of competitiveness ?" Tough to answer "yes".
>>
>> With that, and the willingness of makers of therapeutic diagnostic
>> machinery to pervert the original purposes, the anti-doping lobby
>> gained acceptance. That goal was much easier to achieve than, for
>> example, having Columbia exterminate cocaine traffic, or having
>> Afghanistan abandon poppy cultivation. One war on some drugs could
>> be won, all supporting countries and sports federations could claim
>> honor and victory, and money could continue to be made, abundantly.
>>
>> When a doping violation is found, disclosed to reporters, publicized,
>> another seemingly stray remnant of cheating is pilloried in public.
>> We can all feel good about ourselves, as though it were the last
>> pederast on earth who was emasculated. But, like cockroaches in a
>> New York kitchen, another one arises, then another, and yet more.
>> Like those cockroaches, the dopers adapt to the means of
>> extermination, and they and the hunters are both moved another step
>> ahead in the escalation of means of doping versus means of
>> detection. So far, it seems to be chemistry.
>>
>> However, the next step is much stricter. The next step will penalize
>> athletes who "suffer" from physiologies that are out of norm. What
>> is normal for a world-class athlete ? Well, as in the case of Santhi
>> Soundarajan, it was an unmodified personal genetic profile that
>> banned her genotype. Genetic therapy has often been suggested as a
>> next phase of enhancing performance, and we are nearly there, so far
>> as the IOC's decisions stand. Soon, a single homogeneous profile of
>> what constitutes a human - man or woman - will need to be
>> established, so that outliers can be culled. That means that we
>> will want the average person to be the only one elegible to compete.
>> No freaks of nature (it is often commented that Indurain and
>> Armstrong are such), and none with genetic modifications.
>>
>> All this going to prove, that the underlying xenophobia, rampant
>> nationalism, racism, and desire for hegemony have changed not at all
>> from the times of the original olympic games. After all, it was
>> always a game with an aim of being able to say, "Us guys are better
>> than yous guys." But now, it's probably the drug and equipment
>> companies which take the place of nations, and WADA fits their bill
>> perfectly as their prophet. --
>> Bonne route !
>>
>> Sandy
>> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
>
> My newsreader is acting up, but one other thought I'd like to add to
> the post that should show up is that the group responsible for
> investigating and prosecuting violators, of any sort, should never be
> the same one adjudicating. It's been proven, over and over, that lack
> of independent oversight and review lends itself quite nicely to
> abuses and agendas that have nothing to do with justice or fairness.
> I think that's exactly what was testified to in this case.
> Bill C
My sympathies. But looking more closely, you see that qualified,
independent arbitrators are JUDGING the matter. That is not where the
injustice would arise. But, after any award in favor of the accused
athlete, the process changes, darkly.
After losing, USADA or WADA or UCI may refer the matter for "arbitration"
under the aegis of the TAS. TAS rules are extremely strict as to appeals,
and they favor prosecution. The authority which requests the appeal be
heard will be judged by arbitrators who have been appointed, two-thirds, by
the national and international sporting federations. Should that latter
panel wish to review the case de novo, then they can do that, and the rules
of arbitration for TAS are _significantly_ different from AAA rules, all in
favor of finding an athlete in violation. The process you are (maybe)
observing at this point is being handled as even-handedly as is the usual in
AAA arb matters, but that does not guarantee the future disposition.
--
Bonne route !
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
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Date: 20 May 2007 06:32:40
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: WADA - our job is to declare athletes guilty
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On May 20, 8:46 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:1179661838.681708.54560@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.co=
m,
> Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et puis a d=E9clar=E9 :
>
> > On May 20, 7:30 am, Burt <burt.hoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>http://doucheblogcycling.blogspot.com/2007/05/wada-our-job-is-to-decl...
>
> > Great stuff. Thanks for posting it. This confirms what most of us non-
> > crusaders have suspected and been saying all along. There is no chance
> > for justice from Wada.
> > Bill C
>
> Maybe you're right. But before criticizing WADA, one has to look at how =
it
> came to exist, what its mission is, who dictated it, and who has control
> over it.
>
> The International Olympic Committee has, for a long time, focused on
> pharmaceutical cheating. It is popular knowledge that sports were a major
> propaganda instrument for the Old World Order of Iron Curtain days.
> Reasonable belief held that athletes of communist countries were achieving
> victories based on chemistry. This was a carryover of the policy of
> fighting [no, not a Godwin point] Hitler, who sought to prove that the ar=
yan
> race has inherent superiority, again a propaganda matter.
>
> So, with the "free" world taking the lead, a culture of inquisition arose=
to
> challenge the wins of those bad people. In consequence, a moralizing
> economic interest group - doping specialists - snowballed their specialty
> into a sky-is-falling crusade, and by relying on ancient fears of dominat=
ion
> by slavs and asians, moved the process onward, lobbied against what was
> presented as national systemic cheating, and asked the awkward question :
> "Does your nation support pumping drugs into people to gain the rewards t=
hat
> should fall to those who use their natural ability and personal dedication
> to reach the same levels of competitiveness ?" Tough to answer "yes".
>
> With that, and the willingness of makers of therapeutic diagnostic machin=
ery
> to pervert the original purposes, the anti-doping lobby gained acceptance.
> That goal was much easier to achieve than, for example, having Columbia
> exterminate cocaine traffic, or having Afghanistan abandon poppy
> cultivation. One war on some drugs could be won, all supporting countries
> and sports federations could claim honor and victory, and money could
> continue to be made, abundantly.
>
> When a doping violation is found, disclosed to reporters, publicized,
> another seemingly stray remnant of cheating is pilloried in public. We c=
an
> all feel good about ourselves, as though it were the last pederast on ear=
th
> who was emasculated. But, like cockroaches in a New York kitchen, another
> one arises, then another, and yet more. Like those cockroaches, the dope=
rs
> adapt to the means of extermination, and they and the hunters are both mo=
ved
> another step ahead in the escalation of means of doping versus means of
> detection. So far, it seems to be chemistry.
>
> However, the next step is much stricter. The next step will penalize
> athletes who "suffer" from physiologies that are out of norm. What is
> normal for a world-class athlete ? Well, as in the case of Santhi
> Soundarajan, it was an unmodified personal genetic profile that banned her
> genotype. Genetic therapy has often been suggested as a next phase of
> enhancing performance, and we are nearly there, so far as the IOC's
> decisions stand. Soon, a single homogeneous profile of what constitutes a
> human - man or woman - will need to be established, so that outliers can =
be
> culled. That means that we will want the average person to be the only o=
ne
> elegible to compete. No freaks of nature (it is often commented that
> Indurain and Armstrong are such), and none with genetic modifications.
>
> All this going to prove, that the underlying xenophobia, rampant
> nationalism, racism, and desire for hegemony have changed not at all from
> the times of the original olympic games. After all, it was always a game
> with an aim of being able to say, "Us guys are better than yous guys." B=
ut
> now, it's probably the drug and equipment companies which take the place =
of
> nations, and WADA fits their bill perfectly as their prophet.
> --
> Bonne route !
>
> Sandy
> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
I have this really twisted sense of justice I believe in what this
represents:
http://www.statue.com/lady-justice-statues.html
Wada, and any group doing investigation and adjudication needs to be
impartial and transparent. I'm doing a slow burn now over this crap
here:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/19/juvenile.prisonabuse.ap/index.html
http://www.1010wins.com/pages/478952.php?contentType=3D4&contentId=3D519399
If Wada's goal is to be a tool for a purpose, as the inquisition was,
then so be it and lets get the mainstream sports press to publish it.
Bill C
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Date: 20 May 2007 12:16:05
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: WADA - our job is to declare athletes guilty
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On 20 May 2007 06:32:40 -0700, Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
>
>I have this really twisted sense of justice I believe in what this
>represents:
>http://www.statue.com/lady-justice-statues.html
>
> Wada, and any group doing investigation and adjudication needs to be
>impartial and transparent. I'm doing a slow burn now over this crap
>here:
>
>http://www.1010wins.com/pages/478952.php?contentType=4&contentId=519399
Some number of NYPRs join the police to be a part of the larger better armed
gang. These two are nothing but a couple of couple of demographic outliers - not
part of an overall problem (other than examplars of some aspects of human
nature). Otherwise it seems Puerto Ricans are going to take over the Irish slot
in law enforcement.
>If Wada's goal is to be a tool for a purpose, as the inquisition was,
>then so be it and lets get the mainstream sports press to publish it.
> Bill C
Nah, it's lousy, dirty, and mostly uninteresting except in a sideshow freak kind
of way.
Ron
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Date: 20 May 2007 05:50:06
From: MMan
Subject: Re: WADA - our job is to declare athletes guilty
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On May 20, 7:50 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On May 20, 7:30 am, Burt <burt.hoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://doucheblogcycling.blogspot.com/2007/05/wada-our-job-is-to-decl...
>
> Great stuff. Thanks for posting it. This confirms what most of us non-
> crusaders have suspected and been saying all along. There is no chance
> for justice from Wada.
> Bill C
So WADA does "testilying":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testilying
Whoda thunk it? Oh, that's right. Lots of people.
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Date: 20 May 2007 04:50:38
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: WADA - our job is to declare athletes guilty
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On May 20, 7:30 am, Burt <burt.hoo...@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://doucheblogcycling.blogspot.com/2007/05/wada-our-job-is-to-decl...
Great stuff. Thanks for posting it. This confirms what most of us non-
crusaders have suspected and been saying all along. There is no chance
for justice from Wada.
Bill C
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Date: 20 May 2007 14:46:44
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: WADA - our job is to declare athletes guilty
|
Dans le message de news:1179661838.681708.54560@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> On May 20, 7:30 am, Burt <burt.hoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> http://doucheblogcycling.blogspot.com/2007/05/wada-our-job-is-to-decl...
>
> Great stuff. Thanks for posting it. This confirms what most of us non-
> crusaders have suspected and been saying all along. There is no chance
> for justice from Wada.
> Bill C
Maybe you're right. But before criticizing WADA, one has to look at how it
came to exist, what its mission is, who dictated it, and who has control
over it.
The International Olympic Committee has, for a long time, focused on
pharmaceutical cheating. It is popular knowledge that sports were a major
propaganda instrument for the Old World Order of Iron Curtain days.
Reasonable belief held that athletes of communist countries were achieving
victories based on chemistry. This was a carryover of the policy of
fighting [no, not a Godwin point] Hitler, who sought to prove that the aryan
race has inherent superiority, again a propaganda matter.
So, with the "free" world taking the lead, a culture of inquisition arose to
challenge the wins of those bad people. In consequence, a moralizing
economic interest group - doping specialists - snowballed their specialty
into a sky-is-falling crusade, and by relying on ancient fears of domination
by slavs and asians, moved the process onward, lobbied against what was
presented as national systemic cheating, and asked the awkward question :
"Does your nation support pumping drugs into people to gain the rewards that
should fall to those who use their natural ability and personal dedication
to reach the same levels of competitiveness ?" Tough to answer "yes".
With that, and the willingness of makers of therapeutic diagnostic machinery
to pervert the original purposes, the anti-doping lobby gained acceptance.
That goal was much easier to achieve than, for example, having Columbia
exterminate cocaine traffic, or having Afghanistan abandon poppy
cultivation. One war on some drugs could be won, all supporting countries
and sports federations could claim honor and victory, and money could
continue to be made, abundantly.
When a doping violation is found, disclosed to reporters, publicized,
another seemingly stray remnant of cheating is pilloried in public. We can
all feel good about ourselves, as though it were the last pederast on earth
who was emasculated. But, like cockroaches in a New York kitchen, another
one arises, then another, and yet more. Like those cockroaches, the dopers
adapt to the means of extermination, and they and the hunters are both moved
another step ahead in the escalation of means of doping versus means of
detection. So far, it seems to be chemistry.
However, the next step is much stricter. The next step will penalize
athletes who "suffer" from physiologies that are out of norm. What is
normal for a world-class athlete ? Well, as in the case of Santhi
Soundarajan, it was an unmodified personal genetic profile that banned her
genotype. Genetic therapy has often been suggested as a next phase of
enhancing performance, and we are nearly there, so far as the IOC's
decisions stand. Soon, a single homogeneous profile of what constitutes a
human - man or woman - will need to be established, so that outliers can be
culled. That means that we will want the average person to be the only one
elegible to compete. No freaks of nature (it is often commented that
Indurain and Armstrong are such), and none with genetic modifications.
All this going to prove, that the underlying xenophobia, rampant
nationalism, racism, and desire for hegemony have changed not at all from
the times of the original olympic games. After all, it was always a game
with an aim of being able to say, "Us guys are better than yous guys." But
now, it's probably the drug and equipment companies which take the place of
nations, and WADA fits their bill perfectly as their prophet.
--
Bonne route !
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
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Date: 20 May 2007 12:09:33
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: WADA - our job is to declare athletes guilty
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On Sun, 20 May 2007 14:46:44 +0200, "Sandy" <leurre@frree.fr > wrote:
>Dans le message de news:1179661838.681708.54560@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
>Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net> a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
>> On May 20, 7:30 am, Burt <burt.hoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> http://doucheblogcycling.blogspot.com/2007/05/wada-our-job-is-to-decl...
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>> Great stuff. Thanks for posting it. This confirms what most of us non-
>> crusaders have suspected and been saying all along. There is no chance
>> for justice from Wada.
>> Bill C
>
>Maybe you're right. But before criticizing WADA, one has to look at how it
>came to exist, what its mission is, who dictated it, and who has control
>over it.
>
>The International Olympic Committee has, for a long time, focused on
>pharmaceutical cheating. It is popular knowledge that sports were a major
>propaganda instrument for the Old World Order of Iron Curtain days.
>Reasonable belief held that athletes of communist countries were achieving
>victories based on chemistry. This was a carryover of the policy of
>fighting [no, not a Godwin point] Hitler, who sought to prove that the aryan
>race has inherent superiority, again a propaganda matter.
>
>So, with the "free" world taking the lead, a culture of inquisition arose to
>challenge the wins of those bad people. In consequence, a moralizing
>economic interest group - doping specialists - snowballed their specialty
>into a sky-is-falling crusade, and by relying on ancient fears of domination
>by slavs and asians, moved the process onward, lobbied against what was
>presented as national systemic cheating, and asked the awkward question :
>"Does your nation support pumping drugs into people to gain the rewards that
>should fall to those who use their natural ability and personal dedication
>to reach the same levels of competitiveness ?" Tough to answer "yes".
>
>With that, and the willingness of makers of therapeutic diagnostic machinery
>to pervert the original purposes, the anti-doping lobby gained acceptance.
>That goal was much easier to achieve than, for example, having Columbia
>exterminate cocaine traffic, or having Afghanistan abandon poppy
>cultivation. One war on some drugs could be won, all supporting countries
>and sports federations could claim honor and victory, and money could
>continue to be made, abundantly.
>
>When a doping violation is found, disclosed to reporters, publicized,
>another seemingly stray remnant of cheating is pilloried in public. We can
>all feel good about ourselves, as though it were the last pederast on earth
>who was emasculated. But, like cockroaches in a New York kitchen, another
>one arises, then another, and yet more. Like those cockroaches, the dopers
>adapt to the means of extermination, and they and the hunters are both moved
>another step ahead in the escalation of means of doping versus means of
>detection. So far, it seems to be chemistry.
>
>However, the next step is much stricter. The next step will penalize
>athletes who "suffer" from physiologies that are out of norm. What is
>normal for a world-class athlete ? Well, as in the case of Santhi
>Soundarajan, it was an unmodified personal genetic profile that banned her
>genotype. Genetic therapy has often been suggested as a next phase of
>enhancing performance, and we are nearly there, so far as the IOC's
>decisions stand. Soon, a single homogeneous profile of what constitutes a
>human - man or woman - will need to be established, so that outliers can be
>culled. That means that we will want the average person to be the only one
>elegible to compete. No freaks of nature (it is often commented that
>Indurain and Armstrong are such), and none with genetic modifications.
>
>All this going to prove, that the underlying xenophobia, rampant
>nationalism, racism, and desire for hegemony have changed not at all from
>the times of the original olympic games. After all, it was always a game
>with an aim of being able to say, "Us guys are better than yous guys." But
>now, it's probably the drug and equipment companies which take the place of
>nations, and WADA fits their bill perfectly as their prophet.
You forget the power of political correctness - the current Canadian womens
downhill mountain bike champion isn't female genetically or biomechanically or
historically or in any other way beyond some surgery. Yet anyone who says
otherwise is attacked and banned from competition in Canada.
As for the Olympics, the modern version didn't begin with "Us better than you"
but as an excuse for bunches of buff swells to hang in a not entirely gay way
with other buff swells from around the world. In 1896 there were damn few
professional athletes of the type we know. The amateurism was only to exclude
fencing masters, game keepers and horse trainers from competing against those
above their station.
You do have a very interesting point on the genetics, just how broad a window is
permitted. How far outside the typical genetic pattern may one be and compete
and how the hell would anyone draw that line.
Ron
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Date: 20 May 2007 13:44:19
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: WADA - our job is to declare athletes guilty
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Burt wrote:
> http://doucheblogcycling.blogspot.com/2007/05/wada-our-job-is-to-declare-athletes.html
I would like to become an official WADA stake supplier, but I assume
Halliburton already have the contract.
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