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Date: 03 Oct 2007 14:27:36
From: Bill C
Subject: Was Greg the keynote speaker?
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http://tinyurl.com/2zppfc
Secessionists meeting in Tennessee By BILL POOVEY, Associated Press
Writer
Wed Oct 3, 3:15 AM ET
Bringing the Balkans to America.
Bill C
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 06:28:10
From:
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> but Munich in particular is
> populated by bitter, unhappy souls.
So you're saying Munich is like being back in graduate school?
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 17:30:34
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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Kyle Legate wrote:
>> but Munich in particular is populated by bitter, unhappy souls.
rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
> So you're saying Munich is like being back in graduate school?
The Munich graduate schools must be in dire need of a LIVEDRUNK
program.
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 06:26:53
From:
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Nov 7, 12:23 am, <Da...@Crockett.Net > wrote:
[crazy-ass shit snipped]
Man, this thread has suddenly taken on new potential.
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 09:09:12
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Nov 7, 1:23 am, <Da...@Crockett.Net > wrote:
> * Kyle Legate <*...@hotmail.com> a =E9crit profondement:
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 13:44:38
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> Generals saying "If you wanted Moscow I could give it to you" are the
> military equivalent of drunk mountain bikers saying "Hold my beer and
> watch this."
I wonder what the military equivalent of mountain bikers saying "Hold
my joint and watch this" are.
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 17:59:44
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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Donald Munro wrote:
> bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
>> Generals saying "If you wanted Moscow I could give it to you" are the
>> military equivalent of drunk mountain bikers saying "Hold my beer and
>> watch this."
>
> I wonder what the military equivalent of mountain bikers saying "Hold
> my joint and watch this" are.
>
>
"I believe we will be greeted as liberators. I really do."
--
Bill Asher
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 16:53:50
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 5, 6:02 pm, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Oct 5, 6:13 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > an old woman who was an
> > unrepentant nazi who worked for the electric company and hated
> > Americans.
>
> dumbass,
>
> all old people are racists.
http://www.psychologicalscience.org/media/releases/2007/vonhippel.cfm
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 08:18:02
From:
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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* <***@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > a écrit profondement:
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 18:57:59
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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<Davey@Crockett.Net > wrote in message news:874pfywml1.fsf@azurservers.com...
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> I never read such horseshit in my life
>
> But that's only to be expected from some psychiatrist
Quite correct Davey. In fact people who always thought for themselves suffer
almost no degradation in the thought processes as they age as long as they
don't contract Alzheimer's or the like.
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 10:02:17
From:
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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* "Tom Kunich" <***@yahoo. com > a écrit profondement:
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 21:12:13
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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<Davey@Crockett.Net > wrote in message news:87ir4d6rfq.fsf@azurservers.com...
>
> And having witnessed her antics at first hand over the years, I am more
> and more inclined to believe the old shibboleth that the only
> difference between a psychopath and a psychologist is the certificate
> on the wall.
>
> And I'd rot in hell before I'd put much faith in the ramblings of that
> profession
That brings to mind what someone said once - "Most psychologists and
psychiatrists are attracted to the profession by a personal need to find out
why they think such insane thoughts."
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 08:30:29
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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Davey@Crockett.Net wrote:
> * <***@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com> a écrit profondement:
>
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 09:23:53
From:
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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* Kyle Legate <***@hotmail.com > a écrit profondement:
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 23:14:33
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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Davey@Crockett.Net wrote:
> * Kyle Legate <***@hotmail.com> a écrit profondement:
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 00:22:30
From:
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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* Kyle Legate <***@hotmail.com > a écrit profondement:
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 00:19:54
From:
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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* Kyle Legate <***@hotmail.com > a écrit profondement:
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 07:34:50
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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Davey@Crockett.Net wrote:
> * Kyle Legate <***@hotmail.com> a écrit profondement:
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 09:23:05
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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Kyle Legate wrote:
> Davey@Crockett.Net wrote:
>>
>> You just proved my point
>>
> You don't have a point worth proving.
On further reflection, if your point was that age related frontal lobe
atrophy makes you think it's ok to paint an entire class of people with
the same brush, endowing them with your own personal fears and biases,
rather than judging individuals on their own merit, then I guess you
proved your point.
It has nothing to do with political correctness, it has everything to do
with calling out a bigot whose attitudes are counterproductive to ending
conflict and promoting brotherly love. If you like the way the world is
going, white against black, Kurd against Turk, Jew against Arab, Sunni
against Shiite, by all means continue spewing your hate. How very
Republican of you.
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 19:50:58
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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In article
<1194368030.129143.122240@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com >
,
"amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Oct 5, 6:02 pm, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Oct 5, 6:13 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > > an old woman who was an
> > > unrepentant nazi who worked for the electric company and hated
> > > Americans.
> >
> > dumbass,
> >
> > all old people are racists.
>
>
> http://www.psychologicalscience.org/media/releases/2007/vonhippel.cfm
"As we age, our brains slowly shrink in volume andweight.
This includes significant atrophy within thefrontal lobes,
the seat of executive functioning.Executive functions
include planning, controlling, and
inhibiting thought and behavior. In the aging
population, an inability to inhibit unwanted thoughts
and behavior causes several social behaviors and
cognitions to go awry."
I overstated my case. If somoene does not simply
attempt to control socially proscribed behavior; but
rather addresses hate directly in himself throughout
life, the lifting of inhibitions will reveal little
outright racism.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 18:49:32
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 14, 10:09 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Oct 14, 3:07 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > Foreign reserve holders dumping dollars would devalue the dollar.
> > After a point, that would seem to be a poison pill -- harming
> > themselves. Also, it would result in US bond holders being paid their
> > service in inflated dollars.
>
> > While I did read the rest of your post for other interest, I'm not
> > going to spend time commenting any further because I don't buy your
> > premise and thus can't consider that you've answered the question.
> > Dollars are not "bonds in the US."
>
> Cash notes aren't literally like a company's bonds.
> But both companies and the US issue bonds that are
> redeemable in dollars with the promise to pay some
> interest. For companies, the worth and interest rate
> of bonds are governed by the investors' belief in their
> risk level. For US bonds (I mean the things we sell
> to Asia to finance our debt, not US Savings Bonds)
> there is little fear that we will default, but the
> worth and rate are governed by the investors' belief
> in the future value of the dollar. Yes, it's a bit
> circular, but to some extent it's a bet on the future
> strength of the US economy, just as a company's stock
> or bond is fully or partially a bet on the future
> solvency of the company.
>
> That was just an analogy. My point is that different
> ways of the gummint spending the same amount of money
> will cause investors to bet for or against the dollar,
> just as the way a CEO spends a company's revenue
> will cause investors to bet for or against the stock.
Dollars are not stock in the US. Investors shying away from
spendthrift companies don't do so because of the dollar. And they
don't shy away from the US because of spending money, per se. Both
the government and companies spend the same kind of dollar. They
would shy away because they had suspicions the central bank may try to
print dollars to fund (prop up) the crazy government; that is an
inflating of the dollar and effectively snubbing their real interest
rate. And that has little to do with what the actual spending is on.
(Don't you remember how some economists are fond of saying WWII
spending "brought us out of The Great Depression? War is always
nothing but destruction and death, no matter how justified the
cause.)
In this ability to simply print money by fiat, a government along with
its central bank is nothing like a private company. A country with a
central bank can essentially unload its debt by fiat -- or at least it
can for awhile, till riots, black markets, and revolution come their
way. A company cannot do that because the government has a monopoly
on printing money. I don't see why (ceteris paribus), if the
government would fight the Iraq war while the central bank inhibited
any more printing of dollars, the dollar would degrade, unless there
is something unknown (to me) and embedded that simply has yet to
manifest. The war makes us poorer -- I could not argue otherwise.
But I don't see how it affects the dollar itself. Taxpayers will have
less dollars to spend. Some supply is diverted to the warring.
What current bond holders may fear is the dollar inflating, and then
getting paid their interest in inflated dollars. If "bond investors"
fear that the dollar will have a "high/increasing" rate of inflation
(relative to other currencies), then it will be more difficult to find
buyers of new (dollar based) debt. (To the extent that handcuffs
"our" current kookified drunk sailor spending, it seems prima facie
like a good thing.)
The question is what causes a differential in inflation between two
currencies, since we're asking the exchange question. It would not be
a true "price inflation" for goods, since I think (more or less) all
currencies would be exposed to that. If you don't change the total
number of dollars, then why would the dollar comparitively inflate?
MV=PQ
I'm relating this as best I'm able to. I could be wrong -- after all,
I'm largely self-taught, and I have little time for high quality
studies.
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 05:09:23
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 14, 3:07 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com > wrote:
> Foreign reserve holders dumping dollars would devalue the dollar.
> After a point, that would seem to be a poison pill -- harming
> themselves. Also, it would result in US bond holders being paid their
> service in inflated dollars.
>
> While I did read the rest of your post for other interest, I'm not
> going to spend time commenting any further because I don't buy your
> premise and thus can't consider that you've answered the question.
> Dollars are not "bonds in the US."
Cash notes aren't literally like a company's bonds.
But both companies and the US issue bonds that are
redeemable in dollars with the promise to pay some
interest. For companies, the worth and interest rate
of bonds are governed by the investors' belief in their
risk level. For US bonds (I mean the things we sell
to Asia to finance our debt, not US Savings Bonds)
there is little fear that we will default, but the
worth and rate are governed by the investors' belief
in the future value of the dollar. Yes, it's a bit
circular, but to some extent it's a bet on the future
strength of the US economy, just as a company's stock
or bond is fully or partially a bet on the future
solvency of the company.
That was just an analogy. My point is that different
ways of the gummint spending the same amount of money
will cause investors to bet for or against the dollar,
just as the way a CEO spends a company's revenue
will cause investors to bet for or against the stock.
>
> -------------------------------------------
> I have to get out of here. This isn't about bike racing and I don't
> have much to say about bike racing these days.
I am guilty as charged. The season's basically over and
there doesn't seem to be any cyclocross where I live now.
Ben
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 15:07:55
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 14, 12:15 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Oct 11, 9:42 am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On Oct 10, 11:19 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> > wrote:
> > > On Oct 5, 1:06 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> > > > On Oct 4, 11:46 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > Have you looked at the value of the Canadian dollar
> > > > > versus our scrip currency lately?
>
> > > > Have you ever wondered why? It probably isn't because Canadian trees
> > > > make better paper than US trees.
>
> > > It might have something to do with the hole in the
> > > desert we keep pouring our money into.
>
> > So how does spending money on a military action -- whether justified
> > or not -- depreciate a currency relative to another? And is there
> > something unique about that way of devaluing a currency (when it comes
> > to the currency itself, not moral concerns regarding the
> > warmongering)? What else (more rudimentary) might be involved? How
> > is the war being financed? Are other things financed in the same way?
>
> > I don't care if you answer these questions here. But maybe it is
> > something to ponder.
>
> Smartass,
>
> I'm not knowledgeable enough about High Finance
> to give you an answer in terms of M1, money supply,
> and reserve requirements. I look at it this way.
> The dollar is like a stock. The company is the
> United States. (Actually, the dollar is literally
> a bond, not a stock.) Its value depends on what
> you think the financial prospects of the issuer are,
> and that depends on a variety of things like the
> balance sheet, the potential of the company or country's
> investments, and the quality of its management.
> Lots of countries own dollars, but the choice of
> whether to own dollars or, say, Euros, is driven
> by what they think the future prospects of the
> dollar are (circularly).
Nixon closed the gold window completely (international), I think in
'71. FDR closed it domestically earlier. Nixon removed the last
vestige of dollars tied to anything humans treat as a valued
(physical) resource. Thus a federal reserve note (your "bond") is
only redeemable at the central bank (the Fed) with another note with
the same number printed on it. I mean to say: dollars are not at all
"a bond" in the US, as if it were "a company."
You'll note that on page 23 the central bank's outstanding notes are
listed as "liabilities." But since the "liability" need only be
"redeemed" by another note with the same number printed on it, the
term "liability" as far as the US goes, and its central bank, is the
printing cost of another note. That is all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_tender
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham%27s_law
I have not read those articles, and don't know the basic quality, so
you'll have to use your own critical thinking. (Well, we should all
be doing that all the time, anyway.)
> The dollar is like anything else - it's worth what
> somebody is willing to pay for it and no more [or less].
I don't disagree with that. But there is some distinction wrt money:
"Production goods derive their value from that of their products.
Not so money; for no increase in the welfare of the members of a
society can result from the availability of an additional quantity of
money. The laws which govern the value of money are different
from those which govern the value of production goods and from
those which govern the value of consumption goods. All that these
have in common is their general underlying principle, the fundamental
Economic Law of Value. This is a complete justification of
the suggestion put forward by Knies that economic goods should be
divided into means of production, objects of consumption, and
media of exchange; for, after all, the primary object of economic
terminology is to facilitate investigation into the theory of value."
-- Mises, TMC, p.86
(Injectors of new currency do benefit, obviously, especially when it
amounts to printing fiat currency. Those closer to the injection
benefit have some benefit. Money is not neutral in at least the short
run, and maybe not at all. The above quote is a translation, and so I
don't know how well it was done. I would have liked to seen
"_general_ welfare of society," as to distinguish from "_special_
welfare within society," since a callout of "members of a society"
could be taken as special welfare. I can't believe Mises meant
special welfare.)
Foreign reserve holders dumping dollars would devalue the dollar.
After a point, that would seem to be a poison pill -- harming
themselves. Also, it would result in US bond holders being paid their
service in inflated dollars.
While I did read the rest of your post for other interest, I'm not
going to spend time commenting any further because I don't buy your
premise and thus can't consider that you've answered the question.
Dollars are not "bonds in the US."
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I have to get out of here. This isn't about bike racing and I don't
have much to say about bike racing these days.
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 10:03:19
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 12, 12:15 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com > wrote:
> On Oct 12, 1:22 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> > > When compared to other currencies then, the differential
> > > of inflation change between them would seem to point to a changing
> > > exchange rate between them.
>
> > And linked to that the differential in interest rates
>
> I think ceteris paribus, no.
I decided upon further thought that there could be a secondary effect
of crowding out of lending. To the extent the interest on deficits
must be paid via taxes, then there would be some otherwise private
funds diverted away from potential lending activities. The supply
curve for available lending funds would shift left. What is the
magnitude of that effect? dunno.
...again, caveat emptor.
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 07:15:27
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 11, 9:42 am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com > wrote:
> On Oct 10, 11:19 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> wrote:
> > On Oct 5, 1:06 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 4, 11:46 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > Have you looked at the value of the Canadian dollar
> > > > versus our scrip currency lately?
>
> > > Have you ever wondered why? It probably isn't because Canadian trees
> > > make better paper than US trees.
>
> > It might have something to do with the hole in the
> > desert we keep pouring our money into.
>
> So how does spending money on a military action -- whether justified
> or not -- depreciate a currency relative to another? And is there
> something unique about that way of devaluing a currency (when it comes
> to the currency itself, not moral concerns regarding the
> warmongering)? What else (more rudimentary) might be involved? How
> is the war being financed? Are other things financed in the same way?
>
> I don't care if you answer these questions here. But maybe it is
> something to ponder.
Smartass,
I'm not knowledgeable enough about High Finance
to give you an answer in terms of M1, money supply,
and reserve requirements. I look at it this way.
The dollar is like a stock. The company is the
United States. (Actually, the dollar is literally
a bond, not a stock.) Its value depends on what
you think the financial prospects of the issuer are,
and that depends on a variety of things like the
balance sheet, the potential of the company or country's
investments, and the quality of its management.
Lots of countries own dollars, but the choice of
whether to own dollars or, say, Euros, is driven
by what they think the future prospects of the
dollar are (circularly).
The dollar is like anything else - it's worth what
somebody is willing to pay for it and no more.
(Defining value narrowly as monetary - my grandfather's
Army bible and copy of Mao's Little Red Book carry
additional sentimental value, but the only dollars
with sentimental value are the ones you see framed
behind the cash registers of small businesses.)
The Fed's actions modify the value of the dollar, but
they do not dictate it. Currency markets, speculators,
buyers of U.S. bonds, and countries and banks that
hold cash reserves do. If all of them decided they'd
rather park their money in Euros rather than dollars,
the dollar would sink and the Fed could only mitigate
the damage. It would take a lot more than it took
George Soros to devalue the pound, but same principle.
Back to pouring half a trillion dollars into a hole in
the desert. Spending half a trillion dollars here or
there is roughly the same on the balance sheet, but it
has grossly different implications in terms of productive
re-investment and the judgment of the country's
management team.
If the gummint decided to spend half a trillion dollars
on (1) an ill-advised war, or (2) buying every man woman
and child a Specialized racing bike, or (3) some program
you don't like, like Social Security or universal health
coverage, it has the same effect on the debt, but the
re-investment in the US economy is different and the
prospects 10 years out would be different. Further,
bond-buyers and currency reserve holders would rightly
be spooked by a gummint that decided to do (2). So it's
not a surprise that they might also be spooked by a gummint
that chooses to do (1).
The Preznident's current foreign (and fiscal) policy is
like that book title about the AOL/Time Warner merger:
"There Must Be A Pony In Here Somewhere." The stock market
rendered a verdict on that one too.
Ben
RBR Canadian Sleeper Agent
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 07:34:11
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote in message
news:1192346127.602831.7680@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> I'm not knowledgeable enough about High Finance
> to give you an answer in terms of M1, money supply,
> and reserve requirements. I look at it this way.
> The dollar is like a stock. The company is the
> United States.
Thereby proving your first statement in spades.
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Date: 12 Oct 2007 12:15:57
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 12, 1:22 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> > When compared to other currencies then, the differential
> > of inflation change between them would seem to point to a changing
> > exchange rate between them.
>
> And linked to that the differential in interest rates
I think ceteris paribus, no. A differential in the interest rates
would be due to _future_ expectations of _further_ differentials in
the money printing activities (and other policy like reserve
requirements) between the two currency generating entities.
Interest rates, minus the ever-present money mischief by currency
generating entities (and fractional reserve determinates), are
determined by time preferences. The higher the time preference, the
higher the interest rate.
_THE THEORY OF MONEY AND CREDIT_, BY LUDWIG VON MISES
http://www.mises.org/books/tmc.pdf
Also, I had written "The deficit is unloaded to the 'late' takers of
the
dollars, domestic and foreign." That was okay in the context of the
paragraph, but minus the money printing activites of a central bank,
deficits are borne by future taxes (tax payers), not per se the "late"
note takers.
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 16:16:49
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 11, 11:48 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> > So how does spending money on a military action -- whether justified
> > or not -- depreciate a currency relative to another? And is there
> > something unique about that way of devaluing a currency (when it comes
> > to the currency itself, not moral concerns regarding the
> > warmongering)? What else (more rudimentary) might be involved? How
> > is the war being financed? Are other things financed in the same way?
>
> Don't budget deficits (along with trade deficits) lead to a weaker
> currency ?
At a simple level (which is about all I'm capable of), I don't think
so, all other things equal. I think it is more that some amount of
government debt goes into that black hole called the Fed. Page 23 has
them having swallowed ~$800 B of debt on that audit. If I remember my
money stuff, if they injected $800 B, then that gets multipled by the
money multiplier. Say the fractional reserve requirements are 10%.
Then the $800 B purchase (over a long time, of course) injected up to
$8 T into the world economy. (Banks obviously are not required to
lend out down to the reserve requirement level.) Basically, the Fed
purchasing government debt is "printing money." Holding all other
things equal, then a greater number of dollars than before will mean
it will take more dollars to buy any given thing, including "buying"
other currencies. That is an inflation of the currency, or just
inflation. It is a depreciation of the inflated currency relative to
other steady currencies.
Now I don't know how much, if any, government debt has been retired
while in the Fed's asset column. I also don't know how reserve
requirements have changed over time. I don't know the estimates for
the total stock of money or how it has changed over time. But I don't
think there is any doubt that there are more dollars running around
than there were before. (There is more stuff to spend money on, and
more people to spend it too, which would tend to hide the monetary
inflation.) When compared to other currencies then, the differential
of inflation change between them would seem to point to a changing
exchange rate between them.
> Pouring money into a hole can result in a budget deficit.
If the hole is the Fed, then I can't see where it works like a deficit
anymore from a practical perspective. Fed profits on the debt are
simply paid back into the Treasury by law, so all there is left there
is operating expenses. (Neat little trick, eh?) I don't know that
the debt ever needs to come back out again. And even if there is a
retirement requirement for that debt, I can't see how it would
matter. (Say a bond/debt came due for a Fed holding, I think it can
just be circulated back into the Fed by issuing new debt to pay for
the old.) The deficit is unloaded to the "late" takers of the
dollars, domestic and foreign. It is effectively a tax since their
dollars will buy less. The further from the point of injection, the
worse.
Pouring money into some other hole is not a deficit of money, per se.
It is lost opportunity (productivity) in other areas. "Guns or
butter?" is the famous simple PPF phrase. It depends upon what action
it took to pour money into the hole. If "one" has the assets, then
the cost could just be paid without encurring debt.
The only hope at all is to "grow out of the debt." But that means
discontinuing the running up of debt right now. If you can stick the
debt where it is, but have an economy that gets bigger in purportion,
then the debt problem gets relatively lessened. It also means policy
that does not retard growth.
Naturally, even the Fed can't keep up with the debt-based spendthrift
ways of the republicans. Everyone calls Ron Paul crazy for saying it
has to stop.
Apparently China is sitting on a lot of dollars. If that is true,
then if they start spending those other dollars, and the takers of the
dollars don't hold them, then it works just like another injection of
cash. That would be seen as another round of inflation for the
dollar.
"Currently, China holds over $1 trillion in dollar denominated assets
(of which $330 billion are U.S. Treasury notes). In comparison, $1.4
trillion represents M1 or the 'tight money supply' of U.S. Dollars
which suggests that the value of the U.S. Dollar could change
dramatically should China ever choose to divest itself of a large
portion of those reserves."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt
I hope I am not too far off in what I have told you. Caveat emptor.
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Date: 12 Oct 2007 10:22:24
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> When compared to other currencies then, the differential
> of inflation change between them would seem to point to a changing
> exchange rate between them.
And linked to that the differential in interest rates
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 18:36:50
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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"SLAVE of THE STATE" <gwhite@ti.com > wrote in message
news:1192144609.932295.172380@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> Holding all other
> things equal, then a greater number of dollars than before will mean
> it will take more dollars to buy any given thing, including "buying"
> other currencies. That is an inflation of the currency, or just
> inflation. It is a depreciation of the inflated currency relative to
> other steady currencies.
It is this increasing the actual currency faster than the net worth of the
items being purchased that causes the decline of the worth of the dollar.
This, by the way, is the way that the Federal government (note the lower
case "g") has been paying for the national debt.
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 09:42:01
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 10, 11:19 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Oct 5, 1:06 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 4, 11:46 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Have you looked at the value of the Canadian dollar
> > > versus our scrip currency lately?
>
> > Have you ever wondered why? It probably isn't because Canadian trees
> > make better paper than US trees.
>
> It might have something to do with the hole in the
> desert we keep pouring our money into.
So how does spending money on a military action -- whether justified
or not -- depreciate a currency relative to another? And is there
something unique about that way of devaluing a currency (when it comes
to the currency itself, not moral concerns regarding the
warmongering)? What else (more rudimentary) might be involved? How
is the war being financed? Are other things financed in the same way?
I don't care if you answer these questions here. But maybe it is
something to ponder.
> > I guess all this inflation stuff and massive clusters of error leading
> > to boom-bust cycles can only be explained by animal spirits.
>
> I prefer mineral spirits.
Keynes didn't allege that minerals acted in concert like he alleged
"animals" do.
"Nevertheless the theory of output as a whole, which is what the
following book purports to provide, is much more easily adapted to the
conditions of a totalitarian state, than is the theory of production
and distribution of a given output produced under conditions of free
competition and a large measure of laissez-faire." -- Keynes, p.
xxvi, Collected Writings
"The policies he advocated were precisely those which almost all
governments, including the British, had already adopted many years
before his 'General Theory' was published. Keynes was not an innovator
and champion of new methods of managing economic affairs. His
contribution consisted rather in providing an apparent justification
for the policies which were popular with those in power in spite of
the fact that all economists viewed them as disastrous. His
achievement was a rationalization of the policies already practiced."
-- Mises, _Lord Keynes and Say's Law_, _The Critics of Keynesian
Economics_, p. 319
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 20:48:15
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> So how does spending money on a military action -- whether justified
> or not -- depreciate a currency relative to another? And is there
> something unique about that way of devaluing a currency (when it comes
> to the currency itself, not moral concerns regarding the
> warmongering)? What else (more rudimentary) might be involved? How
> is the war being financed? Are other things financed in the same way?
Don't budget deficits (along with trade deficits) lead to a weaker
currency ? Pouring money into a hole can result in a budget deficit.
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 18:33:43
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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"Donald Munro" <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:470e6fee$0$2921$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com...
>
> Don't budget deficits (along with trade deficits) lead to a weaker
> currency ? Pouring money into a hole can result in a budget deficit.
No, deficits by themselves do NOT weaken a currency. Is your bank account
worth less because you have a mortgage on your house?
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 06:19:49
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 5, 1:06 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com > wrote:
> On Oct 4, 11:46 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Have you looked at the value of the Canadian dollar
> > versus our scrip currency lately?
>
> Have you ever wondered why? It probably isn't because Canadian trees
> make better paper than US trees.
It might have something to do with the hole in the
desert we keep pouring our money into. You know, like
a boat is a hole in the water into which money is
poured. Only I think I'd rather have a boat than
the present situation.
> I guess all this inflation stuff and massive clusters of error leading
> to boom-bust cycles can only be explained by animal spirits.
I prefer mineral spirits.
> > They're more likely
> > to successfully buy us than we are to successfully
> > invade them.
>
> What better reason to invade them than because they won't take your
> paper?
That's sort of what Matthew Perry did to Japan,
isn't it? And look where it got us.
> > I only wish I was young enough to
> > look forward to a future as a cabana boy for our
> > new Canadian overlords.
>
> I support you in any effort you make to get a real job. Good for you.
I have a real job. It's just that you don't like
being my boss.
> > > Check out the elevations and profiles:
>
> > >http://everestchallenge.com/EverestChallengeBible.htm
>
> > Hmm, the course record is held by Chris Walker (Zombies).
> > That affiliation explains a few things.
>
> Is that a dope reference? I don't keep track of that stuff.
Not at all. You know, zombies, they are imperturbable
gaunt creatures that march on unstoppably without the
need for sustenance. Except eating the occasional
brain, I guess. Come to think of it, somebody who lived
on brains wouldn't be hanging around with Masters racers,
so forget I said it.
Ben
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 18:32:18
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote in message
news:1192083589.571263.152010@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> It might have something to do with the hole in the
> desert we keep pouring our money into.
Think about this - what would possess the Democratic Congress to infuriate
Turkey at this time? Why did they attack our best ally in the area of the
world?
The Democrat Party is evermore composed of mentally ill people and you are
supporting them every chance you get.
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 11:19:27
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 4, 11:46 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> Have you looked at the value of the Canadian dollar
> versus our scrip currency lately?
http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/rptcongress/annual06/pdf/audits.pdf
Page 23 is "funny."
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Date: 10 Oct 2007 07:07:40
From:
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 5, 4:02 pm, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Oct 5, 6:13 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > an old woman who was an
> > unrepentant nazi who worked for the electric company and hated
> > Americans.
>
> dumbass,
>
> all old people are racists.
States the racist.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 16:09:28
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 5, 7:02 pm, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Oct 5, 6:13 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > an old woman who was an
> > unrepentant nazi who worked for the electric company and hated
> > Americans.
>
> dumbass,
>
> all old people are racists.
It's too bad Coretta Scott King died last year. She'd be glad to know
she was a racist.
Bill C
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 23:02:35
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 5, 6:13 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> an old woman who was an
> unrepentant nazi who worked for the electric company and hated
> Americans.
dumbass,
all old people are racists.
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Date: 11 Oct 2007 16:24:31
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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In article
<1191625355.326140.141030@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com >,
"amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Oct 5, 6:13 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > an old woman who was an
> > unrepentant nazi who worked for the electric company and hated
> > Americans.
>
> dumbass,
>
> all old people are racists.
Everyone is racist. Some old people are in a
position to do something about it.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 17:03:55
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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<amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1191625355.326140.141030@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 5, 6:13 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> an old woman who was an
>> unrepentant nazi who worked for the electric company and hated
>> Americans.
>
> all old people are racists.
Thanks for yet another demonstration of your intellect.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 15:13:02
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 5, 4:51 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Oct 5, 1:01 pm, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > That's why I'm working so hard, the sooner I can leave the better. I
> > long for the days of a wide variety of fresh vegetables, restaurant food
> > with flavour and smiling shopkeepers, where customer service comes first
> > and I can buy things with a credit card if I so choose. This 1950s
> > lifestyle is entirely overrated.
>
> Different strokes for different folks I guess. We had no problems
> finding fresh veggies, seafood, or other things. We usually shopped
> every other day or so, and a lot from farmers markets to get it fresh.
> Knew a bunch of good restaurants, most of which had good prices too.
> Had great relations with almost all the local shops, if anything they
> were a bit too friendly and quick to give us stuff to try free. About
> the only place we had some real problems was in berchtesgaden and that
> was more because they hated the tourists like us.
> Our experience, and evaluation from watching others, was that in
> Germany, Italy, France, Austria, and Belgium you got back what you put
> in. A few people were impolite, and standoffish, but not many. Quite a
> few had fun, at our expense, with us trying to go with the local flow
> and when we laughed along they were great and treated us incredibly
> well. Austria in particular was like that.
> We'd go back in a heartbeat. It's a different lifestyle. Made more
> for people, families, and enjoying life, not for power, money, and
> being a type A.
> Bill C
Forgot to add there were two assholes. One was our landlord in
Augsburg, and the second, also there, was an old woman who was an
unrepentant nazi who worked for the electric company and hated
Americans.
Bill C
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 13:51:11
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 5, 1:01 pm, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com > wrote:
>
> That's why I'm working so hard, the sooner I can leave the better. I
> long for the days of a wide variety of fresh vegetables, restaurant food
> with flavour and smiling shopkeepers, where customer service comes first
> and I can buy things with a credit card if I so choose. This 1950s
> lifestyle is entirely overrated.
Different strokes for different folks I guess. We had no problems
finding fresh veggies, seafood, or other things. We usually shopped
every other day or so, and a lot from farmers markets to get it fresh.
Knew a bunch of good restaurants, most of which had good prices too.
Had great relations with almost all the local shops, if anything they
were a bit too friendly and quick to give us stuff to try free. About
the only place we had some real problems was in berchtesgaden and that
was more because they hated the tourists like us.
Our experience, and evaluation from watching others, was that in
Germany, Italy, France, Austria, and Belgium you got back what you put
in. A few people were impolite, and standoffish, but not many. Quite a
few had fun, at our expense, with us trying to go with the local flow
and when we laughed along they were great and treated us incredibly
well. Austria in particular was like that.
We'd go back in a heartbeat. It's a different lifestyle. Made more
for people, families, and enjoying life, not for power, money, and
being a type A.
Bill C
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Date: 06 Oct 2007 08:50:20
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
|
Bill C wrote:
>
> About
> the only place we had some real problems was in berchtesgaden and that
> was more because they hated the tourists like us.
>
That's probably because Berchtesgaden is in deepest, darkest Bavaria,
which is the region of Germany I'm talking about. My dealings in other
German provinces are more favourable, but Munich in particular is
populated by bitter, unhappy souls.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 13:08:19
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 4, 2:10 pm, "Mark Fennell" <marco_fenne...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> bjw wrote:
> >> > Please start some threads.
>
> >> Check out the elevations and profiles:
>
> >>http://everestchallenge.com/EverestChallengeBible.htm
>
> > Hmm, the course record is held by Chris Walker (Zombies).
> > That affiliation explains a few things.
>
> My Everest Challenge "race" report, prominently featuring CW (he would have
> won had he eaten anything the first day and not bonked)...
>
> http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com/2007/09/24-hours-later.html
>
> ...and more CW a few days later...
>
> http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com/2007/09/c-walk-rolls-back-into-town....
Cool. I don't know how you do it with a family and all. Nice report.
I dream of riding it some day. For now, I live vicariously through
reports.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 13:06:31
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
|
On Oct 4, 11:46 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Oct 4, 11:08 am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > If things go the way the US expansionists want, "we'll" be annexing/
> > invading Canada sometime this century. They got tar sands! Diamonds
> > too, I hear.
>
> > Besides, Canada is a vast cold wasteland now, but given the nice
> > effects of AGW, it'll soon be prime real estate. I don't know what
> > the hell Candians are doing on "our" land before "we" get there.
> > Weird.
>
> Dumbass,
>
> Have you looked at the value of the Canadian dollar
> versus our scrip currency lately?
Have you ever wondered why? It probably isn't because Canadian trees
make better paper than US trees.
I guess all this inflation stuff and massive clusters of error leading
to boom-bust cycles can only be explained by animal spirits.
> They're more likely
> to successfully buy us than we are to successfully
> invade them.
What better reason to invade them than because they won't take your
paper?
> I only wish I was young enough to
> look forward to a future as a cabana boy for our
> new Canadian overlords.
I support you in any effort you make to get a real job. Good for you.
> > > Please start some threads.
>
> > Check out the elevations and profiles:
>
> >http://everestchallenge.com/EverestChallengeBible.htm
>
> Hmm, the course record is held by Chris Walker (Zombies).
> That affiliation explains a few things.
Is that a dope reference? I don't keep track of that stuff.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 12:40:17
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 5, 2:08 am, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
>
> > If things go the way the US expansionists want, "we'll" be annexing/
> > invading Canada sometime this century. They got tar sands! Diamonds
> > too, I hear.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Bacon
I'm touched. You want me to fat in. oops... I mean fit in.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 06:54:28
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
|
On Oct 5, 9:00 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
> news:1191586765.753124.63820@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Oct 5, 2:42 am, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> I suspect the authorities are doing
> >> nothing below the pro ranks, like pretty much everywhere. I am very
> >> pissed off about how the hypocritical, coke-addicted german politicians
> >> are acting all morally superior regarding doping in cycling while paying
> >> no attention whatsoever to the Bundesliga, which I'm sure is 10 times
> >> dirtier if they would only test for something.
>
> > Sounds like politicians everywhere, including the US and Canada.
>
> Here's a clue - how much does it cost to do an analysis panel? Who would pay
> for it in the amatuer ranks?
>
> It's absolutely no surprise to me that Legate is all mouth without the
> ability to develop a single thought but you're smarter than that Bill.
Tom I'm not expecting them to do testing, as you point out it's way
too expensive. I was curious, with all the screaming they are doing,
just what they WERE doing in these areas. Almost everyone I've heard
from has said that it's huge and in the open, especially in "masters"
type stuff and the "tourist races". One friend who raced in Italy for
a few years was absolutely amazed at the sudden change in speed at
times during the season. He was told by the club trainer that he
needed to get with a good program and they'd set him up like everyone
else.
I've heard similar stories from a batch of people. Disposable income,
huge egos, second childhood, middle age, etc... makes a nice mix for
doping.
I don't know anyone involved but I'd bet it's the same with soccer,
rugby, etc...anything where niddle agers are fighting time. It was
ridiculous in the gym.
Bill C
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 05:19:25
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 5, 2:42 am, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
> > On Oct 4, 2:50 am, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> If I could block all threads started by you in the last year, how many
> on-topic threads would I have missed? How many off-topic ones would I be
> spared?
>
Quick sample for the first 3 months of 2007 shows I started 5. All on
topic if you count a thread about TK as on topic.
>
> When something interesting happens that is racing-related and doesn't
> already have an open thread, then I will start it. The Tour of Tasmania
> is just not interesting. It doesn't matter how fascinating I find a
> topic of international or national politics, I would never post about it
> here because here is not the place for it. If only we could all be so wise.
Ah Yes we must preserve the pristine and pure nature of RBR. Even if
it becomes a low traffic group. Only the purest thoughts may be
posted. I see now.
>
> > Please start some threads. I'd love to have more in depth information
> > than I'm picking out of Radsport news than we are getting on the
> > actual situation with racing, and the political mindset in Germany
> > right now. How about filling us in since you're there in the middle of
> > it? How's it effecting the local teams, clubs, and races? What are
> > they doing towards monitoring amateurs and u-23 and below? etc...
>
> I can't comment on a lot of these issues because I'm not in the scene,
> I'm simply too busy with real work to get involved. Also, I don't read
> the language because the sound and structure of german offends my
> aesthetic sensibilities and my brain actively rejects it, so I don't
> know what the media are reporting.
I don't even know where to start on this bit of arrogant, elitist,
superior BS.
Sounds like the grunts I was there with who routinely went with "Yah!
we kicked your ass twice and I'll do it again!" whenever confronted
with actual German culture. God forbid they'd actually attempt to
learn and interact with an inferior culture.
I suspect the authorities are doing
> nothing below the pro ranks, like pretty much everywhere. I am very
> pissed off about how the hypocritical, coke-addicted german politicians
> are acting all morally superior regarding doping in cycling while paying
> no attention whatsoever to the Bundesliga, which I'm sure is 10 times
> dirtier if they would only test for something.
Sounds like politicians everywhere, including the US and Canada.
But I try not to fixate
> on things which anger me but I have no control over. Danilo Hondo,
> (putatively) Jan Ullrich, 3 cases on T-Mobile this year: the germans
> have no right to act they way they do, they are as dirty as anyone.-
They have every right to run their mouths, and the riders should have
the right to challenge them legally but don't. The system sucks.
Why the hell don't you just leave the country? They wont miss you,
honest.
Bill C
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 19:01:08
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
|
Bill C wrote:
> On Oct 5, 2:42 am, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't even know where to start on this bit of arrogant, elitist,
> superior BS.
> Sounds like the grunts I was there with who routinely went with "Yah!
> we kicked your ass twice and I'll do it again!" whenever confronted
> with actual German culture. God forbid they'd actually attempt to
> learn and interact with an inferior culture.
>
I didn't call it inferior, those are your words. It's just different,
and not at all to my liking.
> Why the hell don't you just leave the country? They wont miss you,
> honest.
>
That's why I'm working so hard, the sooner I can leave the better. I
long for the days of a wide variety of fresh vegetables, restaurant food
with flavour and smiling shopkeepers, where customer service comes first
and I can buy things with a credit card if I so choose. This 1950s
lifestyle is entirely overrated.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 06:00:43
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1191586765.753124.63820@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 5, 2:42 am, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I suspect the authorities are doing
>> nothing below the pro ranks, like pretty much everywhere. I am very
>> pissed off about how the hypocritical, coke-addicted german politicians
>> are acting all morally superior regarding doping in cycling while paying
>> no attention whatsoever to the Bundesliga, which I'm sure is 10 times
>> dirtier if they would only test for something.
>
> Sounds like politicians everywhere, including the US and Canada.
Here's a clue - how much does it cost to do an analysis panel? Who would pay
for it in the amatuer ranks?
It's absolutely no surprise to me that Legate is all mouth without the
ability to develop a single thought but you're smarter than that Bill.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 00:14:14
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Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 4, 9:12 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
It can be
> easy to go too fast too soon and you pay for that later.
Later? I always pay for that immediately.
R.
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Date: 04 Oct 2007 16:44:36
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 4, 10:07 am, Mark & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldm...@dentaltwins.com > wrote:
>
> How about guitar shredders and prepubescent singers from Myanmar?
>
> Steve
>
> --
> Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDShttp://www.dentaltwins.com
> Brooklyn, NY
> 718-258-5001- Hide quoted text -
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Hey Steve
The reason I picked those groups in particular is from hearing
stories from people I know racing in both Germany and Italy who have
said that the doping in high level amateur stuff is right in the open
and subject for jokes. They have also said that especially with
serious Jr prospects being groomed by some of the feeder clubs and
development teams hat they experiment to find the most effective
doping programs for the individuals for most of the year since testing
is only done at a few national level events. The rest of the year is a
laboratory.
Bill C
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Date: 04 Oct 2007 18:46:57
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 4, 11:08 am, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com > wrote:
> If things go the way the US expansionists want, "we'll" be annexing/
> invading Canada sometime this century. They got tar sands! Diamonds
> too, I hear.
>
> Besides, Canada is a vast cold wasteland now, but given the nice
> effects of AGW, it'll soon be prime real estate. I don't know what
> the hell Candians are doing on "our" land before "we" get there.
> Weird.
Dumbass,
Have you looked at the value of the Canadian dollar
versus our scrip currency lately? They're more likely
to successfully buy us than we are to successfully
invade them. While global warming would make a US
assault on Canada less likely to get bogged down in
winter like the Germans in Russia, it also makes
Michigan tropical beachfront property attractive to
Torontan real estate speculators looking to build
resort condos. I only wish I was young enough to
look forward to a future as a cabana boy for our
new Canadian overlords.
> > Please start some threads.
>
> Check out the elevations and profiles:
>
> http://everestchallenge.com/EverestChallengeBible.htm
Hmm, the course record is held by Chris Walker (Zombies).
That affiliation explains a few things.
Ben
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 17:09:09
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote in message
news:1191523617.696649.80670@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com...
>
> Have you looked at the value of the Canadian dollar
> versus our scrip currency lately? They're more likely
> to successfully buy us than we are to successfully
> invade them.
You really don't have a clue what the currency markets mean, do you?
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Date: 04 Oct 2007 13:10:06
From: Mark Fennell
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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bjw wrote:
>> > Please start some threads.
>>
>> Check out the elevations and profiles:
>>
>> http://everestchallenge.com/EverestChallengeBible.htm
>
> Hmm, the course record is held by Chris Walker (Zombies).
> That affiliation explains a few things.
My Everest Challenge "race" report, prominently featuring CW (he would have
won had he eaten anything the first day and not bonked)...
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com/2007/09/24-hours-later.html
...and more CW a few days later...
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com/2007/09/c-walk-rolls-back-into-town.html
Mark
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Date: 04 Oct 2007 20:12:57
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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In article <RNbNi.154877$Mu5.34159@newsfe15.phx >,
"Mark Fennell" <marco_fennelli@yahoo.com > wrote:
> My Everest Challenge "race" report, prominently featuring CW (he would have
> won had he eaten anything the first day and not bonked)...
>
> http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com/2007/09/24-hours-later.html
Good report. I agree that it can be hard to pace yourself on early climbs (or
parts of climbs) if there are a bunch of other people going varying speeds. It can be
easy to go too fast too soon and you pay for that later.
--
tanx,
Howard
Faberge eggs are elegant but I prefer Faberge bacon.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 09:45:38
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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Howard Kveck wrote:
> Good report. I agree that it can be hard to pace yourself on early climbs (or
> parts of climbs) if there are a bunch of other people going varying speeds. It can be
> easy to go too fast too soon and you pay for that later.
Thats where a power meter comes in handy. Before I got a power meter
I always used to go to hard at the start when doing hill intervals
because I'd be chasing a target heart rate.
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 18:31:11
From: William R. Mattil
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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Donald Munro wrote:
> Howard Kveck wrote:
>> Good report. I agree that it can be hard to pace yourself on early climbs (or
>> parts of climbs) if there are a bunch of other people going varying speeds. It can be
>> easy to go too fast too soon and you pay for that later.
>
> Thats where a power meter comes in handy.
The LiveDrunk creedo supports the use of a Breathalyzer doesn't it ?
>Before I got a power meter
> I always used to go to hard at the start when doing hill intervals
> because I'd be chasing a target heart rate.
LiveDrunk dictates the chasing of Beer Trucks
Bill
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 20:43:06
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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William R. Mattil wrote:
> LiveDrunk dictates the chasing of Beer Trucks
I might be able to catch one of these:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/5313194.stm
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Date: 04 Oct 2007 11:08:42
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 4, 6:06 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Oct 4, 2:50 am, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Bill C wrote:
>
> > > I didn't OT it because I don't think of OT'ing things directly related
> > > to the people who make this place work.
>
> > Which place, rbr? Many people here don't give a shit about American
> > politics in a bike racing forum, and would rather go to more appropriate
> > places to read about what a clusterfuck your country has become. Hell,
> > many of us don't live in Amerikkka or plan on visiting it anytime soon,
> > so why should we be forced to delete thread after thread of your discontent?
>
> > Your persistent off-topic threads are quite tiresome.
>
> Well Kyle they should be easy to skip as there aren't that many.
If things go the way the US expansionists want, "we'll" be annexing/
invading Canada sometime this century. They got tar sands! Diamonds
too, I hear.
Besides, Canada is a vast cold wasteland now, but given the nice
effects of AGW, it'll soon be prime real estate. I don't know what
the hell Candians are doing on "our" land before "we" get there.
Weird.
> Please start some threads.
Check out the elevations and profiles:
http://everestchallenge.com/EverestChallengeBible.htm
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 11:08:04
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> If things go the way the US expansionists want, "we'll" be annexing/
> invading Canada sometime this century. They got tar sands! Diamonds
> too, I hear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Bacon
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Date: 04 Oct 2007 06:06:52
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 4, 2:50 am, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
>
> > I didn't OT it because I don't think of OT'ing things directly related
> > to the people who make this place work.
>
> Which place, rbr? Many people here don't give a shit about American
> politics in a bike racing forum, and would rather go to more appropriate
> places to read about what a clusterfuck your country has become. Hell,
> many of us don't live in Amerikkka or plan on visiting it anytime soon,
> so why should we be forced to delete thread after thread of your discontent?
>
> Your persistent off-topic threads are quite tiresome.
Well Kyle they should be easy to skip as there aren't that many. This
one which could've been added intothe Big News thread in which I made
4 posts out of 53 and didn't start, and the Canadian one in which was
a joke aimed at Jim and some of the other non-american Canadians in
which I made 3 posts out of 27.
How about you start some topics on things we haven't beaten to death
like Landis, doping, the governing bodies, etc...which seem to do
well. Otherwise the threads directly tied to racing don't seem to go
very far these days.
I'm sort of following the Bruyneel to Asatana thing and think that
could get really interesting, not from a racing point of view, but
from a Kazakh government vs. the UCI, Wada, Coni, point of view before
it's over.
Please start some threads. I'd love to have more in depth information
than I'm picking out of Radsport news than we are getting on the
actual situation with racing, and the political mindset in Germany
right now. How about filling us in since you're there in the middle of
it? How's it effecting the local teams, clubs, and races? What are
they doing towards monitoring amateurs and u-23 and below? etc...
Bill C
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Date: 05 Oct 2007 08:42:15
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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Bill C wrote:
> On Oct 4, 2:50 am, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Bill C wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't OT it because I don't think of OT'ing things directly related
>>> to the people who make this place work.
>> Which place, rbr? Many people here don't give a shit about American
>> politics in a bike racing forum, and would rather go to more appropriate
>> places to read about what a clusterfuck your country has become. Hell,
>> many of us don't live in Amerikkka or plan on visiting it anytime soon,
>> so why should we be forced to delete thread after thread of your discontent?
>>
>> Your persistent off-topic threads are quite tiresome.
>
> Well Kyle they should be easy to skip as there aren't that many. This
> one which could've been added intothe Big News thread in which I made
> 4 posts out of 53 and didn't start, and the Canadian one in which was
> a joke aimed at Jim and some of the other non-american Canadians in
> which I made 3 posts out of 27.
If I could block all threads started by you in the last year, how many
on-topic threads would I have missed? How many off-topic ones would I be
spared?
> How about you start some topics on things we haven't beaten to death
> like Landis, doping, the governing bodies, etc...which seem to do
> well. Otherwise the threads directly tied to racing don't seem to go
> very far these days.
When something interesting happens that is racing-related and doesn't
already have an open thread, then I will start it. The Tour of Tasmania
is just not interesting. It doesn't matter how fascinating I find a
topic of international or national politics, I would never post about it
here because here is not the place for it. If only we could all be so wise.
> Please start some threads. I'd love to have more in depth information
> than I'm picking out of Radsport news than we are getting on the
> actual situation with racing, and the political mindset in Germany
> right now. How about filling us in since you're there in the middle of
> it? How's it effecting the local teams, clubs, and races? What are
> they doing towards monitoring amateurs and u-23 and below? etc...
>
I can't comment on a lot of these issues because I'm not in the scene,
I'm simply too busy with real work to get involved. Also, I don't read
the language because the sound and structure of german offends my
aesthetic sensibilities and my brain actively rejects it, so I don't
know what the media are reporting. I suspect the authorities are doing
nothing below the pro ranks, like pretty much everywhere. I am very
pissed off about how the hypocritical, coke-addicted german politicians
are acting all morally superior regarding doping in cycling while paying
no attention whatsoever to the Bundesliga, which I'm sure is 10 times
dirtier if they would only test for something. But I try not to fixate
on things which anger me but I have no control over. Danilo Hondo,
(putatively) Jan Ullrich, 3 cases on T-Mobile this year: the germans
have no right to act they way they do, they are as dirty as anyone.
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Date: 04 Oct 2007 14:07:38
From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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Bill C wrote:
> On Oct 4, 2:50 am, Kyle Legate <lega...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Bill C wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't OT it because I don't think of OT'ing things directly related
>>> to the people who make this place work.
>> Which place, rbr? Many people here don't give a shit about American
>> politics in a bike racing forum, and would rather go to more appropriate
>> places to read about what a clusterfuck your country has become. Hell,
>> many of us don't live in Amerikkka or plan on visiting it anytime soon,
>> so why should we be forced to delete thread after thread of your discontent?
>>
>> Your persistent off-topic threads are quite tiresome.
>
> Well Kyle they should be easy to skip as there aren't that many. This
> one which could've been added intothe Big News thread in which I made
> 4 posts out of 53 and didn't start, and the Canadian one in which was
> a joke aimed at Jim and some of the other non-american Canadians in
> which I made 3 posts out of 27.
> How about you start some topics on things we haven't beaten to death
> like Landis, doping, the governing bodies, etc...which seem to do
> well. Otherwise the threads directly tied to racing don't seem to go
> very far these days.
> I'm sort of following the Bruyneel to Asatana thing and think that
> could get really interesting, not from a racing point of view, but
> from a Kazakh government vs. the UCI, Wada, Coni, point of view before
> it's over.
> Please start some threads. I'd love to have more in depth information
> than I'm picking out of Radsport news than we are getting on the
> actual situation with racing, and the political mindset in Germany
> right now. How about filling us in since you're there in the middle of
> it? How's it effecting the local teams, clubs, and races? What are
> they doing towards monitoring amateurs and u-23 and below? etc...
> Bill C
>
How about guitar shredders and prepubescent singers from Myanmar?
Steve
--
Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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Date: 03 Oct 2007 18:43:14
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 3, 4:39 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Oct 3, 6:53 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 3, 3:42 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 3, 5:59 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 3, 2:27 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > > >http://tinyurl.com/2zppfc
>
> > > > > Secessionists meeting in Tennessee By BILL POOVEY, Associated Press
> > > > > Writer
> > > > > Wed Oct 3, 3:15 AM ET
>
> > > > > Bringing the Balkans to America.
> > > > > Bill C
>
> > > > No need to worry Bill. Lincoln established the "legal" precedent:
> > > > submit or be killed. You, through the guvmint you delegated, can just
> > > > kill anyone who refuses to give you your "federal" (supreme national)
> > > > check and entitlements. That's what you're really worried about.
>
> > > > If someone else can't be made to pay for your fuckups, why then, what
> > > > the hell kind of country has this become?
>
> > > > Ballots are bullets.
>
> > > > -----------------
> > > > The O isn't for On, it is for Off.
>
> > > > Since you didn't OT it, people are going to think this is some amusing
> > > > Big Mouth Lemond thread. How dissappointing. I have point out that I
> > > > am almost never the asswipe who starts this shit.
>
> > > > I even tried to be a real participant in the on-topic hot lady biker
> > > > thread. See how I try? Then Bob tried on his new name Dick. I'm
> > > > sorry, I never meant the anti-cool-cool thing in any serious way -- I
> > > > don't even believe it, and I don't care that much about the shape of a
> > > > bike frame. I'll never fit in here. That is comforting.
>
> > > I didn't OT it because I don't think of OT'ing things directly related
> > > to the people who make this place work. You fit as well as those who
> > > support the nanny state here. It gives some balance, but on the vast
> > > majority of the issues I'm with you in philosophy if not Macheavellian
> > > practicality.
>
> > If you're with me, then amuse yourself with this:
> > _Who was the worst president?_http://mises.com/forums/p/115/476.aspx#476
>
> > I thought it was really funny. Your man Teddy R got some honorable
> > mentions. Lincoln wins pretty easily, of course. WW and FDR are
> > tough competitors. I am glad none of them were bike racers.
>
> > It is not clear to me why there is no WW monument, given how utterly
> > fucking horrible he was. Load me up a chisel and I'll head on out to
> > Mt. Rushmore.
>
> > "Every time I start building a monument, I lose my convictions about a
> > third of the way to finishing." -- BF, 1759- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> What was that quote about foreign entaglements? I'm voting for April
> Glaspie, even though she wasn't President for creating the whole Iraq
> mass, all by herself.
The heck with that crap. How about this:
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3686073&page=1
"That makes $7.5 million in six months, almost all of it in 'small'
donations."
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=49760
_The GOP Plot to Defeat Ron Paul_
"Yes, it seems clear. The GOP - whose Old Guard core has been revealed
to be as expansionistic and spendthrift as its Democratic 'opponents'
-- would rather ensure Ron Paul's defeat than win a national
presidential election."
http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=49739&fb=1
So make a deal with the devil. Get democrats to register republican
for the primaries (vote for Paul) and have the joy of stuffing the neo-
cons in the waste-bin where they belong. Better do it soon -- the
poli-bosses don't want to lose their power.
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Date: 03 Oct 2007 16:39:45
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 3, 6:53 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com > wrote:
> On Oct 3, 3:42 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 3, 5:59 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 3, 2:27 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > > >http://tinyurl.com/2zppfc
>
> > > > Secessionists meeting in Tennessee By BILL POOVEY, Associated Press
> > > > Writer
> > > > Wed Oct 3, 3:15 AM ET
>
> > > > Bringing the Balkans to America.
> > > > Bill C
>
> > > No need to worry Bill. Lincoln established the "legal" precedent:
> > > submit or be killed. You, through the guvmint you delegated, can just
> > > kill anyone who refuses to give you your "federal" (supreme national)
> > > check and entitlements. That's what you're really worried about.
>
> > > If someone else can't be made to pay for your fuckups, why then, what
> > > the hell kind of country has this become?
>
> > > Ballots are bullets.
>
> > > -----------------
> > > The O isn't for On, it is for Off.
>
> > > Since you didn't OT it, people are going to think this is some amusing
> > > Big Mouth Lemond thread. How dissappointing. I have point out that I
> > > am almost never the asswipe who starts this shit.
>
> > > I even tried to be a real participant in the on-topic hot lady biker
> > > thread. See how I try? Then Bob tried on his new name Dick. I'm
> > > sorry, I never meant the anti-cool-cool thing in any serious way -- I
> > > don't even believe it, and I don't care that much about the shape of a
> > > bike frame. I'll never fit in here. That is comforting.
>
> > I didn't OT it because I don't think of OT'ing things directly related
> > to the people who make this place work. You fit as well as those who
> > support the nanny state here. It gives some balance, but on the vast
> > majority of the issues I'm with you in philosophy if not Macheavellian
> > practicality.
>
> If you're with me, then amuse yourself with this:
> _Who was the worst president?_http://mises.com/forums/p/115/476.aspx#476
>
> I thought it was really funny. Your man Teddy R got some honorable
> mentions. Lincoln wins pretty easily, of course. WW and FDR are
> tough competitors. I am glad none of them were bike racers.
>
> It is not clear to me why there is no WW monument, given how utterly
> fucking horrible he was. Load me up a chisel and I'll head on out to
> Mt. Rushmore.
>
> "Every time I start building a monument, I lose my convictions about a
> third of the way to finishing." -- BF, 1759- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
What was that quote about foreign entaglements? I'm voting for April
Glaspie, even though she wasn't President for creating the whole Iraq
mass, all by herself.
Bill C
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Date: 03 Oct 2007 15:53:59
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 3, 3:42 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Oct 3, 5:59 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 3, 2:27 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/2zppfc
>
> > > Secessionists meeting in Tennessee By BILL POOVEY, Associated Press
> > > Writer
> > > Wed Oct 3, 3:15 AM ET
>
> > > Bringing the Balkans to America.
> > > Bill C
>
> > No need to worry Bill. Lincoln established the "legal" precedent:
> > submit or be killed. You, through the guvmint you delegated, can just
> > kill anyone who refuses to give you your "federal" (supreme national)
> > check and entitlements. That's what you're really worried about.
>
> > If someone else can't be made to pay for your fuckups, why then, what
> > the hell kind of country has this become?
>
> > Ballots are bullets.
>
> > -----------------
> > The O isn't for On, it is for Off.
>
> > Since you didn't OT it, people are going to think this is some amusing
> > Big Mouth Lemond thread. How dissappointing. I have point out that I
> > am almost never the asswipe who starts this shit.
>
> > I even tried to be a real participant in the on-topic hot lady biker
> > thread. See how I try? Then Bob tried on his new name Dick. I'm
> > sorry, I never meant the anti-cool-cool thing in any serious way -- I
> > don't even believe it, and I don't care that much about the shape of a
> > bike frame. I'll never fit in here. That is comforting.
>
> I didn't OT it because I don't think of OT'ing things directly related
> to the people who make this place work. You fit as well as those who
> support the nanny state here. It gives some balance, but on the vast
> majority of the issues I'm with you in philosophy if not Macheavellian
> practicality.
If you're with me, then amuse yourself with this:
_Who was the worst president?_
http://mises.com/forums/p/115/476.aspx#476
I thought it was really funny. Your man Teddy R got some honorable
mentions. Lincoln wins pretty easily, of course. WW and FDR are
tough competitors. I am glad none of them were bike racers.
It is not clear to me why there is no WW monument, given how utterly
fucking horrible he was. Load me up a chisel and I'll head on out to
Mt. Rushmore.
"Every time I start building a monument, I lose my convictions about a
third of the way to finishing." -- BF, 1759
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Date: 03 Oct 2007 15:42:40
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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On Oct 3, 5:59 pm, SLAVE of THE STATE <gwh...@ti.com > wrote:
> On Oct 3, 2:27 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2zppfc
>
> > Secessionists meeting in Tennessee By BILL POOVEY, Associated Press
> > Writer
> > Wed Oct 3, 3:15 AM ET
>
> > Bringing the Balkans to America.
> > Bill C
>
> No need to worry Bill. Lincoln established the "legal" precedent:
> submit or be killed. You, through the guvmint you delegated, can just
> kill anyone who refuses to give you your "federal" (supreme national)
> check and entitlements. That's what you're really worried about.
>
> If someone else can't be made to pay for your fuckups, why then, what
> the hell kind of country has this become?
>
> Ballots are bullets.
>
> -----------------
> The O isn't for On, it is for Off.
>
> Since you didn't OT it, people are going to think this is some amusing
> Big Mouth Lemond thread. How dissappointing. I have point out that I
> am almost never the asswipe who starts this shit.
>
> I even tried to be a real participant in the on-topic hot lady biker
> thread. See how I try? Then Bob tried on his new name Dick. I'm
> sorry, I never meant the anti-cool-cool thing in any serious way -- I
> don't even believe it, and I don't care that much about the shape of a
> bike frame. I'll never fit in here. That is comforting.
I didn't OT it because I don't think of OT'ing things directly related
to the people who make this place work. You fit as well as those who
support the nanny state here. It gives some balance, but on the vast
majority of the issues I'm with you in philosophy if not Macheavellian
practicality.
Bill C
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Date: 04 Oct 2007 08:50:46
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker? Not Lemond!!
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Bill C wrote:
>
> I didn't OT it because I don't think of OT'ing things directly related
> to the people who make this place work.
>
Which place, rbr? Many people here don't give a shit about American
politics in a bike racing forum, and would rather go to more appropriate
places to read about what a clusterfuck your country has become. Hell,
many of us don't live in Amerikkka or plan on visiting it anytime soon,
so why should we be forced to delete thread after thread of your discontent?
Your persistent off-topic threads are quite tiresome.
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Date: 03 Oct 2007 14:59:17
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker?
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On Oct 3, 2:27 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/2zppfc
>
> Secessionists meeting in Tennessee By BILL POOVEY, Associated Press
> Writer
> Wed Oct 3, 3:15 AM ET
>
> Bringing the Balkans to America.
> Bill C
No need to worry Bill. Lincoln established the "legal" precedent:
submit or be killed. You, through the guvmint you delegated, can just
kill anyone who refuses to give you your "federal" (supreme national)
check and entitlements. That's what you're really worried about.
If someone else can't be made to pay for your fuckups, why then, what
the hell kind of country has this become?
Ballots are bullets.
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The O isn't for On, it is for Off.
Since you didn't OT it, people are going to think this is some amusing
Big Mouth Lemond thread. How dissappointing. I have point out that I
am almost never the asswipe who starts this shit.
I even tried to be a real participant in the on-topic hot lady biker
thread. See how I try? Then Bob tried on his new name Dick. I'm
sorry, I never meant the anti-cool-cool thing in any serious way -- I
don't even believe it, and I don't care that much about the shape of a
bike frame. I'll never fit in here. That is comforting.
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Date: 04 Oct 2007 12:15:09
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker?
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SLAVE of THE STATE wrote:
> I'll never fit in here.
Eat a few doughnuts and you might.
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Date: 03 Oct 2007 21:44:47
From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Was Greg the keynote speaker?
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Bill C wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/2zppfc
>
> Secessionists meeting in Tennessee By BILL POOVEY, Associated Press
> Writer
> Wed Oct 3, 3:15 AM ET
>
> Bringing the Balkans to America.
> Bill C
>
I'm still waiting for Staten Island to secede from NYC.
http://tinyurl.com/htf9r
Steve
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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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