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Date: 31 May 2007 08:07:15
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: What's your point?
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From http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2
"Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM and Danilo Di Luca did the
final four kilometres of Tre Cime di Lavaredo with a 1750 VAM."
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 06:44:43
From: Jeff Jones
Subject: Re: What's your point?
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On Jun 1, 7:14 am, Jenko <sallyje...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Jeff Jones wrote:
>
> > That's about 100W more than I can do, but I'm a beer drinking journo,
>
> In that case, this should help you with your hydration http://thebeerbelly.com/
>
Aha, we've discovered the real use for a hydration pack!
Jeff
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Date: 31 May 2007 23:14:01
From: Jenko
Subject: Re: What's your point?
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Jeff Jones wrote:
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> That's about 100W more than I can do, but I'm a beer drinking journo,
In that case, this should help you with your hydration
http://thebeerbelly.com/
Jenko
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Date: 31 May 2007 12:25:28
From:
Subject: Re: What's your point?
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On May 31, 9:10 pm, Jeff Jones <drjone...@gmail.com > wrote:
> What I'm sayin' is that I believe it's within the realms of
> possibility, even at the end of a 140km stage. And yes, I realise the
> above proof is not particularly scientific.
Who are we going to believe: you, or a gym teacher?
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Date: 31 May 2007 12:10:48
From: Jeff Jones
Subject: Re: What's your point?
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On May 31, 1:12 pm, RicodJour <ricodj...@worldemail.com > wrote:
> On May 31, 8:07 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Fromhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2
>
> > "Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
> > Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
> > Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
> > Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
> > the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
> > blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM and Danilo Di Luca did the
> > final four kilometres of Tre Cime di Lavaredo with a 1750 VAM."
>
> I'm metric-challenged. What's that in furlongs per fortnight?
>
VAM is not really a useful measure of climbing speed. The steeper the
climb, the higher the VAM will be for the same power output, compared
to a shallower climb. So on a climb like Zoncolan, it will be pretty
high. The only time you can fairly compare VAMs is when the climbs are
of similar gradient. Then you may as well compare average speeds. Or
power.
Out of interest, I used http://www.kreuzotter.de/english/espeed.htm to
estimate the power it would take someone of my weight (72kg ish) to
get up Zoncolan on a 7kg bike. I included an extra couple of kilos for
clothing/water. I would need to put about 455W if I did it on the tops
of the bars without any pacing (Simoni had the benefit of this).
That's about 100W more than I can do, but I'm a beer drinking journo,
not a pro :-) Simoni also has the benefit of a lower body weight
(62kg), so he'd need to crank out about 400W for the climb, or about
6.45W/kg.
What I'm sayin' is that I believe it's within the realms of
possibility, even at the end of a 140km stage. And yes, I realise the
above proof is not particularly scientific.
Jeff
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Date: 31 May 2007 19:16:11
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: What's your point?
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John Forrest Tomlinson schreef:
> From http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2
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> "Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
> Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
> Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
> Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
> the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
> blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM
This is proof they didn't dope after all.
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E. Dronkert
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Date: 31 May 2007 06:24:37
From:
Subject: Re: What's your point?
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On May 31, 5:07 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> Fromhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2
>
> "Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
> Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
> Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
> Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
> the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
> blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM and Danilo Di Luca did the
> final four kilometres of Tre Cime di Lavaredo with a 1750 VAM."
According to Lafferty this can only mean that Simoni is a doper.
Remember, his claim was that since Lance's Tour times were faster than
other's before him who were doping then he HAD to be doping to go
faster.
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Date: 31 May 2007 05:12:58
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: What's your point?
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On May 31, 8:07 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> Fromhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2
>
> "Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
> Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
> Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
> Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
> the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
> blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM and Danilo Di Luca did the
> final four kilometres of Tre Cime di Lavaredo with a 1750 VAM."
I'm metric-challenged. What's that in furlongs per fortnight?
R
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Date: 31 May 2007 23:25:02
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: What's your point?
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In article
<1180613578.156532.212050@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
RicodJour <ricodjour@worldemail.com > wrote:
> On May 31, 8:07 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
> > Fromhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2
> >
> > "Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
> > Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
> > Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
> > Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
> > the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
> > blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM and Danilo Di Luca did the
> > final four kilometres of Tre Cime di Lavaredo with a 1750 VAM."
>
> I'm metric-challenged. What's that in furlongs per fortnight?
$ units 1850*m/hr furlong/fortnight
* 3089.9547
/ 0.00032362934
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Michael Press
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Date: 31 May 2007 20:58:34
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: What's your point?
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in message <1180613578.156532.212050@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
RicodJour ('ricodjour@worldemail.com') wrote:
> On May 31, 8:07 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com>
> wrote:
>> Fromhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/may07/may31news2
>>
>> "Gilberto Simoni (Saunier Duval-Prodir) conquered the 10.1-kilometre
>> Monte Zoncolan in 1850 metres per hour according to La Gazzetta dello
>> Sport. The speed, 39 minutes over the 1203 metres, 1850 VAM (Velocity
>> Ascended, Metres per hour Vm/h), was faster than that of Ivan Basso on
>> the Maielletta Passo Lanciano in 2006, 1805 VAM. Marco Pantani
>> blasted up the Alpe d'Huez with a 1791 VAM and Danilo Di Luca did the
>> final four kilometres of Tre Cime di Lavaredo with a 1750 VAM."
>
> I'm metric-challenged. What's that in furlongs per fortnight?
1,850 m/h = 3,090 f/f
HTH
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