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Date: 14 Dec 2006 14:25:51
From: Bill C
Subject: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2697554
Feds indict cyclist Tammy Thomas in steroid probe
Quoted:
Former elite cyclist Tammy Thomas, 36, was the latest sports figure to
be indicted for hindering the 3-year-old probe. She faces three counts
of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice and is the first
from her sport and the first woman to be charged with lying to the
grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.
She should've provided some samples of those contrceptives.
Bill C
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 05:02:07
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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On Dec 15, 9:50 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <M...@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> Bill: You read me wrong (more likely I did a poor job explaining my point).
> I have no sympathy for Tammy Thomas. What bugs me is that, assuming they
> have the same quality of evidence, they don't go after Bonds with everything
> they've got. Bonds represents the degree to which the scandal has affected
> mainstream US sports. If you want to actually strike fear into the athletes
> who might consider doping, across all levels, you go after Bonds. If, on the
> other hand, you want to simply put a notch on the bedpost, er, no, bad
> analogy. If you're looking for something easy... nah, that doesn't work
> either.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
>
Then we are in agreement on this. The investigation has the same stink
as the OJ trial, and I think they are afraid of the same
result/embarassment with Bonds.
I'd love to see them get Bonds, but that shouldn't stop them from
getting anyone else who's guilty.
I think one of the first people I knew who got busted for steroids and
dealing was Brian Clark, Wesley clark's kid. That was shortly before
Clark decided to retire from the military. Several of Clark,s aides
were using his flights to haul steroids around for Brian. I can
absolutely confirm this because I used to work out with Brian a couple
times a week at the Ramstein AB gym.
There've been a whole lot of gym rats busted for doping and
distribution in low profile cases. Looks like they screwed the pooch on
the big one with Bonds, but the others involved should be prosecuted if
they can.
I still haven't decided that steroids, hgh, and such shouldn't be
dealt with like acohol and available legally to those over 21. I never
used the stuff, but I'm not sure that an informed adult whouldn't be
able to.
Whether they could be used in a sport would then be up to the sports
to govern and enforce.
Bill C
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 00:02:54
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> Bill: You read me wrong (more likely I did a poor job explaining my point).
> I have no sympathy for Tammy Thomas. What bugs me is that, assuming they
> have the same quality of evidence, they don't go after Bonds with everything
> they've got. Bonds represents the degree to which the scandal has affected
> mainstream US sports. If you want to actually strike fear into the athletes
> who might consider doping, across all levels, you go after Bonds. If, on the
> other hand, you want to simply put a notch on the bedpost, er, no, bad
> analogy. If you're looking for something easy... nah, that doesn't work
> either.
I haven't had any sympathy for RBR alumna Tammy Thomas
for quite a while (probably since the Chris Witty rideoff fiasco).
But here, I agree. The prosecutors are likely going after her
because she is less capable of bringing an expensive high-quality
legal defense than most of the other implicated athletes
(including the track stars, not just Barry Bonds). Now, there
could be two ways to go here. Maybe they are bringing charges
against her in part to send a message to the other potential
targets that they mean business, and they should sing or plead out.
Or, maybe they're going after TT because they need a conviction
to show results, and they aren't really going to go after the
bigger fish.
Or, of course, they could just be convinced that TT lied to a
grand jury more catchably than other defendants, and be pissed
off and looking for blood. Prosecutors don't like that, and it is
a crime; you can get served for lying about something when
the original deed would not have been prosecuted.
Ask Scooter Libby. (Does anyone remember Scooter Libby?
I think he was one of the kids on "Saved by the Bell," right?)
Ben
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 10:32:59
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > writes:
>
> Or, of course, they could just be convinced that TT lied to a
> grand jury more catchably than other defendants, and be pissed
> off and looking for blood. Prosecutors don't like that, and it is
> a crime; you can get served for lying about something when
> the original deed would not have been prosecuted.
> Ask Scooter Libby. (Does anyone remember Scooter Libby?
> I think he was one of the kids on "Saved by the Bell," right?)
But they never found the place in Niger where Saddam was getting his
Uranium did they?
--
Le vent à Dos
Davey Crockett [No 4Q to reply]
X-Shakespeare: "Let every eye negotiate for itself,
And trust no agent." -- Much Ado About Nothing, II.1
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 10:23:33
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> (Does anyone remember Scooter Libby?
> I think he was one of the kids on "Saved by the Bell," right?)
A renowned derny rider, who used to pace shrub (on his singlespeed MTB)
and slimey in their attempts at breaking idiocy records ?
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 01:14:07
From: Steve
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1166135151.795687.310990@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2697554
> Feds indict cyclist Tammy Thomas in steroid probe
>
> Quoted:
> Former elite cyclist Tammy Thomas, 36, was the latest sports figure to
> be indicted for hindering the 3-year-old probe. She faces three counts
> of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice and is the first
> from her sport and the first woman to be charged with lying to the
> grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.
>
> She should've provided some samples of those contrceptives.
> Bill C
>
She should be forced to show evidence of a willing male companion as
evidence of contraceptive use. His beer goggles must be 8" thick. Her face
qualifies as a contrceptive in my book.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 14:31:04
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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Michael Press wrote:
> What if she rats out Bonds? She goes free, Bonds indicted. Win-win.
Might be too late to rat. Besides, thinking about tha Stewart, isn't
better to go after the girls?
I would love to see the upshot of someone singing; that someone coming
from cycling, and especially female at that, to be able to attack the
major sports that at least as much as cycling, operate at two speeds.
Partly as a "monkey off our back" thing, maybe a little revenge, but
mostly to get as much "dirty laundry" hanging out in public as humanly
possible.
Maybe if the body count is going to be 97%, we can start on a different
way of dealing with this problem.
I'm not optimistic.
Bad rules =E2=86=92 bad enforcement. And of course, the War on People.
--D-y
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 10:52:27
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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On Dec 15, 1:13 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:1166135151.795687.310990@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2697554
> > Feds indict cyclist Tammy Thomas in steroid probe
>
> > Quoted:
> > Former elite cyclist Tammy Thomas, 36, was the latest sports figure to
> > be indicted for hindering the 3-year-old probe. She faces three counts
> > of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice and is the first
> > from her sport and the first woman to be charged with lying to the
> > grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.
>
> > She should've provided some samples of those contrceptives.
> > Bill CRight, let's go after Tammy because she doesn't have the money (to fight &
> drag things out) Barry Bonds does. I'm not saying she's not guilty, just
> questioning priorities here. Bring down Barry and you rock the world. But
> Tammy? Somebody's really desperate to try and justify how long it's taken
> for this case (seemingly relatively straightforward, given the cooperation
> of the principles at BALCO) to nail people.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
Mike
Sorry, no sympathy here.
She should've gotten into bodybuilding, or Pro wrestling. They both
have anti-drug programs too.
She was just as blatant with her doping as those women who have to
strap/tape their enlarged clits down so they can wear a posing suit.
Then there's the guys who are outrageously huge, have 3% bodyfat and
need a c-cup bra to hold their gynecomastia "bitch-tits" in.
Tammy put herself into that category by being the most blatant doper
in US cycling then lieing her ass off about it.
She could've said "Hell Yeah, I'm doing it, so's everyoone else, the
systems screwed." and named names, told how she beat some of the
testing etc..., but nope she decided that we all must be stupid and
trotted out a bunch of BS.
The Balco investigation may well be an overpriced disaster as far as
the big fish go, so they may very well be moving on to the little ones
now.
Unfortunately the level of "justice" you get largely depends on the
money you have to spend, but in this case she's been nailed over and
over and kept right on going so I have NO sympathy at all.
" Whattaya gonna believe, the mounds of evidence, your lieing eyes, or
my word on it?"
Bill C
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 02:50:58
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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Bill: You read me wrong (more likely I did a poor job explaining my point).
I have no sympathy for Tammy Thomas. What bugs me is that, assuming they
have the same quality of evidence, they don't go after Bonds with everything
they've got. Bonds represents the degree to which the scandal has affected
mainstream US sports. If you want to actually strike fear into the athletes
who might consider doping, across all levels, you go after Bonds. If, on the
other hand, you want to simply put a notch on the bedpost, er, no, bad
analogy. If you're looking for something easy... nah, that doesn't work
either.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1166208747.411200.156880@73g2000cwn.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> On Dec 15, 1:13 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <mik...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in
>> messagenews:1166135151.795687.310990@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2697554
>> > Feds indict cyclist Tammy Thomas in steroid probe
>>
>> > Quoted:
>> > Former elite cyclist Tammy Thomas, 36, was the latest sports figure to
>> > be indicted for hindering the 3-year-old probe. She faces three counts
>> > of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice and is the first
>> > from her sport and the first woman to be charged with lying to the
>> > grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.
>>
>> > She should've provided some samples of those contrceptives.
>> > Bill CRight, let's go after Tammy because she doesn't have the money
>> > (to fight &
>> drag things out) Barry Bonds does. I'm not saying she's not guilty, just
>> questioning priorities here. Bring down Barry and you rock the world. But
>> Tammy? Somebody's really desperate to try and justify how long it's taken
>> for this case (seemingly relatively straightforward, given the
>> cooperation
>> of the principles at BALCO) to nail people.
>>
>> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com
>
> Mike
> Sorry, no sympathy here.
> She should've gotten into bodybuilding, or Pro wrestling. They both
> have anti-drug programs too.
> She was just as blatant with her doping as those women who have to
> strap/tape their enlarged clits down so they can wear a posing suit.
> Then there's the guys who are outrageously huge, have 3% bodyfat and
> need a c-cup bra to hold their gynecomastia "bitch-tits" in.
> Tammy put herself into that category by being the most blatant doper
> in US cycling then lieing her ass off about it.
> She could've said "Hell Yeah, I'm doing it, so's everyoone else, the
> systems screwed." and named names, told how she beat some of the
> testing etc..., but nope she decided that we all must be stupid and
> trotted out a bunch of BS.
> The Balco investigation may well be an overpriced disaster as far as
> the big fish go, so they may very well be moving on to the little ones
> now.
> Unfortunately the level of "justice" you get largely depends on the
> money you have to spend, but in this case she's been nailed over and
> over and kept right on going so I have NO sympathy at all.
> " Whattaya gonna believe, the mounds of evidence, your lieing eyes, or
> my word on it?"
> Bill C
>
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 21:31:49
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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Bill C wrote:
> She was just as blatant with her doping as those women who have to
> strap/tape their enlarged clits down so they can wear a posing suit.
> Then there's the guys who are outrageously huge, have 3% bodyfat and
> need a c-cup bra to hold their gynecomastia "bitch-tits" in.
If the males oversized mamy glands are called 'bitch-tits', surely
there must be an equivalent term for oversized female clits ?
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 20:26:17
From: Kyle Legate
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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Donald Munro wrote:
> Bill C wrote:
>> She was just as blatant with her doping as those women who have to
>> strap/tape their enlarged clits down so they can wear a posing suit.
>> Then there's the guys who are outrageously huge, have 3% bodyfat and
>> need a c-cup bra to hold their gynecomastia "bitch-tits" in.
>
> If the males oversized mamy glands are called 'bitch-tits', surely
> there must be an equivalent term for oversized female clits ?
>
Chick dicks.
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Date: 19 Dec 2006 20:51:25
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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Bill C wrote:
>>> She was just as blatant with her doping as those women who have to
>>> strap/tape their enlarged clits down so they can wear a posing suit.
>>> Then there's the guys who are outrageously huge, have 3% bodyfat and
>>> need a c-cup bra to hold their gynecomastia "bitch-tits" in.
Donald Munro wrote:
>> If the males oversized mamy glands are called 'bitch-tits', surely
>> there must be an equivalent term for oversized female clits ?
Kyle Legate wrote:
> Chick dicks.
The exact length of which may be important to the other dick:
http://www.eurosport.co.uk/athletics/sport_sto1035757.shtml
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 18:13:35
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1166135151.795687.310990@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2697554
> Feds indict cyclist Tammy Thomas in steroid probe
>
> Quoted:
> Former elite cyclist Tammy Thomas, 36, was the latest sports figure to
> be indicted for hindering the 3-year-old probe. She faces three counts
> of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice and is the first
> from her sport and the first woman to be charged with lying to the
> grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.
>
> She should've provided some samples of those contrceptives.
> Bill C
Right, let's go after Tammy because she doesn't have the money (to fight &
drag things out) Barry Bonds does. I'm not saying she's not guilty, just
questioning priorities here. Bring down Barry and you rock the world. But
Tammy? Somebody's really desperate to try and justify how long it's taken
for this case (seemingly relatively straightforward, given the cooperation
of the principles at BALCO) to nail people.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 20:17:20
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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In article
<jBBgh.28716$qO4.3763@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net >,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <mikej1@ix.netcom.com > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:1166135151.795687.310990@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2697554
> > Feds indict cyclist Tammy Thomas in steroid probe
> >
> > Quoted:
> > Former elite cyclist Tammy Thomas, 36, was the latest sports figure to
> > be indicted for hindering the 3-year-old probe. She faces three counts
> > of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice and is the first
> > from her sport and the first woman to be charged with lying to the
> > grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.
> >
> > She should've provided some samples of those contrceptives.
> > Bill C
>
> Right, let's go after Tammy because she doesn't have the money (to fight &
> drag things out) Barry Bonds does. I'm not saying she's not guilty, just
> questioning priorities here. Bring down Barry and you rock the world. But
> Tammy? Somebody's really desperate to try and justify how long it's taken
> for this case (seemingly relatively straightforward, given the cooperation
> of the principles at BALCO) to nail people.
What if she rats out Bonds? She goes free, Bonds indicted. Win-win.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 10:36:55
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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On 14 Dec 2006 14:25:51 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
>http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2697554
>Feds indict cyclist Tammy Thomas in steroid probe
>
>Quoted:
>Former elite cyclist Tammy Thomas, 36, was the latest sports figure to
>be indicted for hindering the 3-year-old probe. She faces three counts
>of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice and is the first
>from her sport and the first woman to be charged with lying to the
>grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.
>
>She should've provided some samples of those contrceptives.
The guy who cooked up the brew got three months at club fed.
Hmmm.
Ron
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 10:36:32
From: Fred Pan
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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The steroids were a contraceptive, it made her look like this after all...
http://charles.pelkey.com/TammyThomas.jpg
Fred Pan
"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1166135151.795687.310990@t46g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2697554
> Feds indict cyclist Tammy Thomas in steroid probe
>
> Quoted:
> Former elite cyclist Tammy Thomas, 36, was the latest sports figure to
> be indicted for hindering the 3-year-old probe. She faces three counts
> of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice and is the first
> from her sport and the first woman to be charged with lying to the
> grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.
>
> She should've provided some samples of those contrceptives.
> Bill C
>
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 18:44:24
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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Fred Fredburger wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > On 14 Dec 2006 14:25:51 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2697554
> >> Feds indict cyclist Tammy Thomas in steroid probe
> >>
> >> Quoted:
> >> Former elite cyclist Tammy Thomas, 36, was the latest sports figure to
> >> be indicted for hindering the 3-year-old probe. She faces three counts
> >> of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice and is the first
> >>from her sport and the first woman to be charged with lying to the
> >> grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.
> >
> >
> > BALCO? Finally cycling is a mainstream sport in the US.
>
> We have arrived and Tammy Thomas is our poster child.
Too bad. Caught lying, with proof. They've got her by the balls! --D-y
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 19:03:25
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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On 14 Dec 2006 14:25:51 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net >
wrote:
>http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2697554
>Feds indict cyclist Tammy Thomas in steroid probe
>
>Quoted:
>Former elite cyclist Tammy Thomas, 36, was the latest sports figure to
>be indicted for hindering the 3-year-old probe. She faces three counts
>of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice and is the first
>from her sport and the first woman to be charged with lying to the
>grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.
BALCO? Finally cycling is a mainstream sport in the US.
--
JT
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 16:01:45
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On 14 Dec 2006 14:25:51 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2697554
>> Feds indict cyclist Tammy Thomas in steroid probe
>>
>> Quoted:
>> Former elite cyclist Tammy Thomas, 36, was the latest sports figure to
>> be indicted for hindering the 3-year-old probe. She faces three counts
>> of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice and is the first
>>from her sport and the first woman to be charged with lying to the
>> grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.
>
>
> BALCO? Finally cycling is a mainstream sport in the US.
We have arrived and Tammy Thomas is our poster child.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 05:30:02
From: Ken Prager
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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In article <wY-dnXMojK5zeBzYnZ2dnUVZ_vPinZ2d@comcast.com >,
Fred Fredburger <FredFredburger@Where.Are.The.Nachos.Huh > wrote:
> John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> > On 14 Dec 2006 14:25:51 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/cycling/news/story?id=2697554
> >> Feds indict cyclist Tammy Thomas in steroid probe
> >>
> >> Quoted:
> >> Former elite cyclist Tammy Thomas, 36, was the latest sports figure to
> >> be indicted for hindering the 3-year-old probe. She faces three counts
> >> of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice and is the first
> >>from her sport and the first woman to be charged with lying to the
> >> grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative.
> >
> >
> > BALCO? Finally cycling is a mainstream sport in the US.
>
> We have arrived and Tammy Thomas is our poster child.
By the way, here she is in her new gig, interviewing Balmer about the
Zune...
<http://news.com.com/1606-2_3-6129533.html >
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 12:07:40
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Whatsit Tammy Thomas in a world of hurt!
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Fred Fredburger wrote:
> We have arrived and Tammy Thomas is our poster child.
Just so long as she isn't our embodiment.
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