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Date: 19 Jun 2007 18:37:01
From: Bill C
Subject: Where the hell are the parents??
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284634,00.html
Study: 11-Year-Old Athletes Using Doping Drugs
Tuesday, June 19, 2007
By Katherine Tweed
Given the behavior and attitude around a former major Jr. Development
team, and a lot of parents attitudes they are probably buying the
stuff for their kids. Cycling has it's share of totally fucked up,
exploit/live through your kids parents.
The best advice our kids ever got was while we were talking to Adam
Craig one morning at a local crit years ago. He told them "You're
young, have fun. None of it really matters until your 18. If you have
the talent then: Get serious."
That's one kid with his head screwed on straight.
Bill C
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 16:18:22
From: gds
Subject: Re: Where the hell are the parents??
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On Jun 20, 11:55 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
>. His
> kid was a great regional racer who won a couple of hundred races up
> through U-23 but didn't go Pro and became a Lawyer
Became a Lawyer! some might say that is worse than doping ;-)
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 11:55:17
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Where the hell are the parents??
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On Jun 20, 12:18 pm, Marty <m_p...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jun 19, 7:37 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284634,00.html
>
> > Study: 11-Year-Old Athletes Using Doping Drugs
> > Tuesday, June 19, 2007
>
> > By Katherine Tweed
>
> > Given the behavior and attitude around a former major Jr. Development
> > team, and a lot of parents attitudes they are probably buying the
> > stuff for their kids. Cycling has it's share of totally fucked up,
> > exploit/live through your kids parents.
> > The best advice our kids ever got was while we were talking to Adam
> > Craig one morning at a local crit years ago. He told them "You're
> > young, have fun. None of it really matters until your 18. If you have
> > the talent then: Get serious."
> > That's one kid with his head screwed on straight.
> > Bill C
>
> "The questionnaires asked about banned doping agents included on the
> World Anti-Doping Agency's international prohibited list of drugs, as
> well as alcohol, tobacco and cannabis"
>
> Interesting. They include non-performace enhancing drugs (alcohol,
> tobacco and cannabis) in this study. So, how many kids are taking
> drugs to enhance performace and how many kids are taking drugs to get
> high? Just curious.
>
> I agree Bill, about children and sports - it should be fun! Those
> that are in it for fun will have fun. Parents and coaches should
> encourage that. But mostly, that is not the case. I recently asked a
> few coaches about their training program for my daughters. They
> trained during the week and on the weekends. The weekdays would be
> very hard for us to commit too (way too much travel and time). I
> asked about a weekend only program at a reduced rate. The coach
> responded that they might be able to work something out, but that in
> the end, that wouldn't allow my (10 and 13 year old) daughters to be
> very competative. I was amazed that he said that. But, that seems to
> be the attitude. They say they want to make it fun, but what they
> really want is for the kids in their program to win. Many (not all)
> parents want their kids in the winning program. If the kids are
> winning, then the parents win and the program wins. More winning,
> more kids, more money. However, I cannot imagine that there are
> parents out there that would risk their childs health by encouraging
> them to take some kind of performace enhancing drug. That would be
> mind blowing.
> --
> Marty- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I could tell you some real horror stories, and Alan could tell even
more of them. I'm gonna keep this really vague because this was pretty
tragic. He was an incredible racer, both cross and road. Won tons of
races and his father just abused the hell out of him for not winning
every race, not winning by enough, etc... Really messed the kid up
bad, and he doesn't race anymore. There were times I prayed he'd just
wrap his bike around the guys head and get away from him.
We got lucky as hell. Our kids started racing in Germany and were
coached by Klause Wolf who coached the local German team, the US
Military team, and worked races for Telekom, including the Tour. His
kid was a great regional racer who won a couple of hundred races up
through U-23 but didn't go Pro and became a Lawyer I believe.
When we came back to the States we met Adam Myerson, along with John
Verheul and they coached our kids. IMO you couldn't ever find better
coaches for the whole kid than those people.
They made sure that cycling was only a part of being a kid, and
having fun was the most important part, and they worked to make it
fun.
Bill C
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 10:08:10
From: MMan
Subject: Re: Where the hell are the parents??
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On Jun 20, 9:50 am, alan_atwood <alan_atw...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Where are the parents? Good question; I don't see many of them
> anymore. There's lot of people masquerating as parents, but people
> that actually raise their children in a responsible manner are few and
> far between nowadays. Any person with a head on their shoulders would
> tell their kids at a very early age that drugs are bad, and reinforce
> that fact if the child is experimenting with them.
Not usually the kid who decides to go on Ritalin or the like.
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 09:18:33
From: Marty
Subject: Re: Where the hell are the parents??
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On Jun 19, 7:37 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284634,00.html
>
> Study: 11-Year-Old Athletes Using Doping Drugs
> Tuesday, June 19, 2007
>
> By Katherine Tweed
>
> Given the behavior and attitude around a former major Jr. Development
> team, and a lot of parents attitudes they are probably buying the
> stuff for their kids. Cycling has it's share of totally fucked up,
> exploit/live through your kids parents.
> The best advice our kids ever got was while we were talking to Adam
> Craig one morning at a local crit years ago. He told them "You're
> young, have fun. None of it really matters until your 18. If you have
> the talent then: Get serious."
> That's one kid with his head screwed on straight.
> Bill C
"The questionnaires asked about banned doping agents included on the
World Anti-Doping Agency's international prohibited list of drugs, as
well as alcohol, tobacco and cannabis"
Interesting. They include non-performace enhancing drugs (alcohol,
tobacco and cannabis) in this study. So, how many kids are taking
drugs to enhance performace and how many kids are taking drugs to get
high? Just curious.
I agree Bill, about children and sports - it should be fun! Those
that are in it for fun will have fun. Parents and coaches should
encourage that. But mostly, that is not the case. I recently asked a
few coaches about their training program for my daughters. They
trained during the week and on the weekends. The weekdays would be
very hard for us to commit too (way too much travel and time). I
asked about a weekend only program at a reduced rate. The coach
responded that they might be able to work something out, but that in
the end, that wouldn't allow my (10 and 13 year old) daughters to be
very competative. I was amazed that he said that. But, that seems to
be the attitude. They say they want to make it fun, but what they
really want is for the kids in their program to win. Many (not all)
parents want their kids in the winning program. If the kids are
winning, then the parents win and the program wins. More winning,
more kids, more money. However, I cannot imagine that there are
parents out there that would risk their childs health by encouraging
them to take some kind of performace enhancing drug. That would be
mind blowing.
--
Marty
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 06:57:40
From:
Subject: Re: Where the hell are the parents??
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On Jun 20, 6:50 am, alan_atwood <alan_atw...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Where are the parents? Good question; I don't see many of them
> anymore. There's lot of people masquerating as parents, but people
> that actually raise their children in a responsible manner are few and
> far between nowadays.
I like your style Alan - hope you hang around here.
> Any person with a head on their shoulders would
> tell their kids at a very early age that drugs are bad, and reinforce
> that fact if the child is experimenting with them. But too many
> "parents" nowadays depend on others (i.e. day care and baby sitters)
> to raise their kids while they continue their professional careers or
> do anything else that requires them to be away from the family. Think
> a nanny's going to tell the kid not to take drugs; yeah right.
When I was racing with my daughters one thing that struck me was that
there were parents (well, relatives) who were teaching their kids how
to use dope. And plenty of others who were berating 14 year olds
because they couldn't win the sprint!
> AC is right; kids should do whatever they want and have fun -- that's
> the way I handled it when I had a significant amount of junior bicycle
> racers a number of years ago. Some of them aren't racing anymore,
> others have gone to world championships -- but they all enjoyed their
> experiences and they all know that winning isn't everything. And for
> the majority of them I didn't have to teach them that; their parents
> did that job already, as they should have.
It's hardest of all to keep girls interested in racing. Boys look up
to other boys who are athletes but girls ostracize athletic girls
quite a bit. That requires parents to stay on top of the situation
because kids are likely to take performance enhancing drugs but for
several different reasons.
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 06:56:36
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Where the hell are the parents??
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On Jun 19, 6:37 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284634,00.html
>
> Study: 11-Year-Old Athletes Using Doping Drugs
> Tuesday, June 19, 2007
<snip >
Dumbass -
You've got your head up your ass as bad as Lafferty.
The parents are out doing drugs, that's where they are.
What the fuck do you think caffeine, alcohol and nicotine are?
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 06:50:14
From: alan_atwood
Subject: Re: Where the hell are the parents??
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Where are the parents? Good question; I don't see many of them
anymore. There's lot of people masquerating as parents, but people
that actually raise their children in a responsible manner are few and
far between nowadays. Any person with a head on their shoulders would
tell their kids at a very early age that drugs are bad, and reinforce
that fact if the child is experimenting with them. But too many
"parents" nowadays depend on others (i.e. day care and baby sitters)
to raise their kids while they continue their professional careers or
do anything else that requires them to be away from the family. Think
a nanny's going to tell the kid not to take drugs; yeah right.
AC is right; kids should do whatever they want and have fun -- that's
the way I handled it when I had a significant amount of junior bicycle
racers a number of years ago. Some of them aren't racing anymore,
others have gone to world championships -- but they all enjoyed their
experiences and they all know that winning isn't everything. And for
the majority of them I didn't have to teach them that; their parents
did that job already, as they should have.
Alan
On Jun 19, 9:37 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284634,00.html
>
> Study: 11-Year-Old Athletes Using Doping Drugs
> Tuesday, June 19, 2007
>
> By Katherine Tweed
>
> Given the behavior and attitude around a former major Jr. Development
> team, and a lot of parents attitudes they are probably buying the
> stuff for their kids. Cycling has it's share of totally fucked up,
> exploit/live through your kids parents.
> The best advice our kids ever got was while we were talking to Adam
> Craig one morning at a local crit years ago. He told them "You're
> young, have fun. None of it really matters until your 18. If you have
> the talent then: Get serious."
> That's one kid with his head screwed on straight.
> Bill C
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 05:19:58
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: Where the hell are the parents??
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On Jun 20, 7:53 am, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Jun 19, 10:28 pm, CowPunk <cowpun...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Do you really think that Tiger Woods would have become what he is
> > today if he had followed this advice?
>
> Nope but he's a one in 10 million case.
I think your estimate is a bit low.
R
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 04:53:20
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Where the hell are the parents??
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On Jun 19, 10:28 pm, CowPunk <cowpun...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Do you really think that Tiger Woods would have become what he is
> today if he had followed this advice?
>
> On Jun 19, 7:37 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284634,00.html
>
> > Study: 11-Year-Old Athletes Using Doping Drugs
> > Tuesday, June 19, 2007
>
> > By Katherine Tweed
>
> > Given the behavior and attitude around a former major Jr. Development
> > team, and a lot of parents attitudes they are probably buying the
> > stuff for their kids. Cycling has it's share of totally fucked up,
> > exploit/live through your kids parents.
> > The best advice our kids ever got was while we were talking to Adam
> > Craig one morning at a local crit years ago. He told them "You're
> > young, have fun. None of it really matters until your 18. If you have
> > the talent then: Get serious."
> > That's one kid with his head screwed on straight.
> > Bill C- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Nope but he's a one in 10 million case. Way too many kids have people
telling them "You're gonna be a star!" who end up with garbage for an
education because they don't care, they're gonna be a star. Wanna
guess what percentage of kids actually go on to make a living as a pro
athlete?
Bill C
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 19:28:45
From: CowPunk
Subject: Re: Where the hell are the parents??
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Do you really think that Tiger Woods would have become what he is
today if he had followed this advice?
On Jun 19, 7:37 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,284634,00.html
>
> Study: 11-Year-Old Athletes Using Doping Drugs
> Tuesday, June 19, 2007
>
> By Katherine Tweed
>
> Given the behavior and attitude around a former major Jr. Development
> team, and a lot of parents attitudes they are probably buying the
> stuff for their kids. Cycling has it's share of totally fucked up,
> exploit/live through your kids parents.
> The best advice our kids ever got was while we were talking to Adam
> Craig one morning at a local crit years ago. He told them "You're
> young, have fun. None of it really matters until your 18. If you have
> the talent then: Get serious."
> That's one kid with his head screwed on straight.
> Bill C
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