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Date: 08 Aug 2007 12:09:44
From: xzzy
Subject: Where to ride in California
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My wife's work may be moving her to California for 6 months October 07 thru
March 08.
She can chose the location in California and she can change to a different
location at the end of December.
I could use some help determining; where are the good roads, and what
location(s) is/are centrally located to races.
Thank you!
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 01:23:10
From: Carmine Clamenza
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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Don't ride in LA...
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/crime/homicidemap/
"xzzy" <mrbikejoc1@comcast.net > wrote in message
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> My wife's work may be moving her to California for 6 months October 07
> thru March 08.
>
> She can chose the location in California and she can change to a different
> location at the end of December.
>
> I could use some help determining; where are the good roads, and what
> location(s) is/are centrally located to races.
>
> Thank you!
>
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 05:45:20
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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"Carmine Clamenza" <carmineclamenza@hotmail.com > wrote in message
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> Don't ride in LA...
>
> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/crime/homicidemap/
>
Seems safe enough if you are of unknown age and ride on PCH.
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Date: 10 Aug 2007 09:40:49
From: Carmine Clamenza
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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Yeah, but watch out for those 20 to 29 year old Hispanics carrying guns on
Sunday while low-riding on PCP. Arnold Schwartzenagger should mandate
weekend kermesse racing in gangland so that the homeboyz have something
positive in common that will allow them to burn off their weltschmerz and
trigger finger angst. The kermesses would not have to be started with a
gun, but they could use complex hand gestures to get things going.
"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote in message
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>
> "Carmine Clamenza" <carmineclamenza@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3gVui.781$c11.492@newsfe02.lga...
>> Don't ride in LA...
>>
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/local/crime/homicidemap/
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>
> Seems safe enough if you are of unknown age and ride on PCH.
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 22:10:08
From: Kevin Metcalfe
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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On Aug 7, 1:02 pm, "Carmine Clamenza" <carmineclame...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> Go to Davis, California. It's bike rider central.
>
I lived in Sacramento for many years and in Davis for three years.
Now I live in the East SF Bay area (near Walnut Creek). The weather
and the riding are FAR better where I live now than Davis and Sac.
Winter in Davis/Sac can be quite evil. Not compared to the midwest
perhaps, but certainly when compared to the rest of Northern
California. It's not the rain, it's the damned tule fog. When it
gets bad you can get a month straight of tule fog where you just might
get lucky and see the sun for a couple of hours a day and where day
time temps are in the upper 30's and low 40's. A very wet, cold. Not
fun. Meanwhile, if you drive to Auburn it will be in the 60's and
sunny. Same in the east bay. Close enough to the ocean to avoid most
of the 100+ degree days, but far enough to not get fog all the time
like SF or Berkeley.
Sometimes during the winter I go for rides and can see the edge of the
fog on the shoulder of Mt. Diablo coming from the central valley.
Conversely, during the summer I can see the fog on the east bay hills
above Orinda.
South Bay area (Palo Alto, etc.) weather and riding are very nice.
The weather is a bit cooler than my neck of the woods, but the riding
is fantastic.
You couldn't pay me to live in the Berkeley area due to the weather.
Too much cold and fog. Summer should NOT mean arm warmers and a
jacket more often than not.
I do miss Davis. It's a nice little town and the riding is good. You
have to go a ways to get to the hills, but I was used to that in Sac.
Now I can climb almost 3800' in 15 miles from my door.
I think that SoCal weather is like quite superior to NorCal, but
that's about as much advice as I can give.
BTW, for central location for racing the Bay Area is probably the best
in NorCal. Bus seeing as you're only here until March closer to the
central valley would be better as most of the early season races are
in the I-5, Highway 99 corridor between Stockton and Visalia. But I
wouldn't want to live in those areas for a number of reasons.
Including the tule fog...
Kevin Metcalfe
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 22:03:16
From:
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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If you choose the Bay area, get "Roads to ride" books. An old, but
very good series on East Bay and Peninsula. E.g.
http://www.amazon.com/Roads-Ride-South-Bicyclists-Topographic/dp/0930588177/ref=sr_1_2/105-9949677-1188462?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1186549313&sr=1-2
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 21:15:41
From: Mark Fennell
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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xzzy wrote:
> My wife's work may be moving her to California
> for 6 months October 07 thru March 08.
>
> She can chose the location in California and she
> can change to a different location at the end of December.
>
> I could use some help determining; where are the
> good roads, and what location(s) is/are centrally located to races.
Roads and weather over that time period:
North county San Diego or Central Coast anywhere between Santa Barbara and
San Luis Obispo. There's a reason so many teams choose these two areas for
winter training camps.
Proximity to racing:
If you plan to do x-cross, the Bay Area is the spot. If you want to have
decent access to all the early season California road races and crits (north
and south), then again, I'd say the Central Coast. You'll be 2-to-4 hours
away from most all of the races and you'll have multiple choices every
weekend.
But really, you can't go too wrong unless you move to the heart of LA or way
up north.
Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 23:52:41
From: Charles Stein
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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I just moved from Ventura Ca to the east with work, I would recommend
Camarillo, CA. It is the city with the most 72 degree days in the country.
Great weather can ride all year round. It is about 20 miles north of Los
Angeles. From Camarillo it is about a 7 mile ride to the Pacific Ocean along
Pacific Coast Highway, from there you can take a nice ride to Malibu and
onto Santa Monica. The ride from Camarillo to Santa Monica and back is a
century ride. If you go the other direction you can be climbing in the
mountains and get several thousand feet of climbing. Heading north it is 30
miles to Santa Barbara, Ca. Ventura County is rated the top county for bike
riding in relationship to bike lanes and bike friendliness. From Camarillo
there are at least 8 good century rides readily available. Big biking
community too. Going north from Camarillo, you hit central coast area. 90
minutes driving distance north of Camarillo is Solvang, this is the area
where Discovery Team does their training in Dec-late January early February.
Good roads and nice hills and mountains to ride. In March it has the first
major century ride in Southern California. Additionally there are several
other century and double century rides there.
I was able to ride probably 44-45 weeks a year living in Camarillo easily
putting in 10,000 miles a year. One day you can ride the beautiful Pacific
route and another climb the mountains. There is lots of open area in the
farm lands around Camarillo to ride. Going south from there you are in LA
and some great rides there in the mountains and again along the ocean. Going
north as I said again some fabulous rides with very little need to wear warm
gear for winter riding. My friends and I only wore long sleeves if we did an
early morning ride in the winter, but you might need a long sleeve for the
ocean breeze.
Friendly area near a major city and yet far enough away to be free of that.
A great life there.
Hope this helps.
Charles
"xzzy" <mrbikejoc1@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:cJCdnb8VJLUFKCXbnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> My wife's work may be moving her to California for 6 months October 07
> thru March 08.
>
> She can chose the location in California and she can change to a different
> location at the end of December.
>
> I could use some help determining; where are the good roads, and what
> location(s) is/are centrally located to races.
>
> Thank you!
>
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 00:02:14
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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"Charles Stein" <scharles@earthlink.net > wrote in message
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> I just moved from Ventura Ca to the east with work, I would recommend
> Camarillo, CA. It is the city with the most 72 degree days in the country.
> Great weather can ride all year round. It is about 20 miles north of Los
> Angeles. From Camarillo it is about a 7 mile ride to the Pacific Ocean
> along Pacific Coast Highway, from there you can take a nice ride to Malibu
> and onto Santa Monica. The ride from Camarillo to Santa Monica and back is
> a century ride. If you go the other direction you can be climbing in the
> mountains and get several thousand feet of climbing. Heading north it is
> 30 miles to Santa Barbara, Ca. Ventura County is rated the top county for
> bike riding in relationship to bike lanes and bike friendliness. From
> Camarillo there are at least 8 good century rides readily available. Big
> biking community too. Going north from Camarillo, you hit central coast
> area. 90 minutes driving distance north of Camarillo is Solvang, this is
> the area where Discovery Team does their training in Dec-late January
> early February. Good roads and nice hills and mountains to ride. In March
> it has the first major century ride in Southern California. Additionally
> there are several other century and double century rides there.
>
> I was able to ride probably 44-45 weeks a year living in Camarillo easily
> putting in 10,000 miles a year. One day you can ride the beautiful
> Pacific route and another climb the mountains. There is lots of open area
> in the farm lands around Camarillo to ride. Going south from there you are
> in LA and some great rides there in the mountains and again along the
> ocean. Going north as I said again some fabulous rides with very little
> need to wear warm gear for winter riding. My friends and I only wore long
> sleeves if we did an early morning ride in the winter, but you might need
> a long sleeve for the ocean breeze.
>
> Friendly area near a major city and yet far enough away to be free of
> that. A great life there.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Charles
Ever see Horseteef out for a ride?
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 02:08:13
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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On Aug 7, 9:12 pm, Bret <bret.w...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Aug 8, 12:09 pm, "xzzy" <mrbikej...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > My wife's work may be moving her to California for 6 months October 07 thru
> > March 08.
>
> > She can chose the location in California and she can change to a different
> > location at the end of December.
>
> > I could use some help determining; where are the good roads, and what
> > location(s) is/are centrally located to races.
>
> > Thank you!
>
> Santa Rosa has good access to the wine country, SF and good coastal
> riding. They had a nice Tuesday night training crit when I was there
> years ago.
>
> Bret
move to pebble beach
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 01:12:19
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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On Aug 8, 12:09 pm, "xzzy" <mrbikej...@comcast.net > wrote:
> My wife's work may be moving her to California for 6 months October 07 thru
> March 08.
>
> She can chose the location in California and she can change to a different
> location at the end of December.
>
> I could use some help determining; where are the good roads, and what
> location(s) is/are centrally located to races.
>
> Thank you!
Santa Rosa has good access to the wine country, SF and good coastal
riding. They had a nice Tuesday night training crit when I was there
years ago.
Bret
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 17:41:39
From: Carmine Clamenza
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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Check this out...
http://www.runmuki.com/paul/writing/davis.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis,_California (Read the part on CYCLING)
http://www.bicyclefriendlycommunity.org/davis1.htm
http://www.city.davis.ca.us/bicycles/
Davis is close to Sacramento's airport. Davis is about 80 miles from the
Bay Area. It's close to Lake Berryesa to the west and Rocklin to the east.
Rocklin, California is where Max Testa and Eric Heidin are located. Here's
their website: http://www.athleticamps.com/
"xzzy" <mrbikejoc1@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:cJCdnb8VJLUFKCXbnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> My wife's work may be moving her to California for 6 months October 07
> thru March 08.
>
> She can chose the location in California and she can change to a different
> location at the end of December.
>
> I could use some help determining; where are the good roads, and what
> location(s) is/are centrally located to races.
>
> Thank you!
>
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 17:58:29
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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Carmine Clamenza wrote:
> Check this out...
>
> http://www.runmuki.com/paul/writing/davis.html
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis,_California (Read the part on CYCLING)
> http://www.bicyclefriendlycommunity.org/davis1.htm
> http://www.city.davis.ca.us/bicycles/
>
Davis is great for bike commuting, it's true. This is a racing group, however.
> Davis is close to Sacramento's airport. Davis is about 80 miles from the
> Bay Area. It's close to Lake Berryesa to the west and Rocklin to the east.
> Rocklin, California is where Max Testa and Eric Heidin are located. Here's
> their website: http://www.athleticamps.com/
>
They're in Utah, now.
Dan
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 18:16:21
From: Carmine Clamenza
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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Dan:
For the other six months, I'd say San Francisco, but for the winter, there's
less rain in SoCal. San Diego is probably ideal... for riding, anyway. Oh
yeah, one more thing, San Diego is great for bike commuting, it's true.
This is a racing group, however. So please refrain from talking about bike
commuting in this racing group. Thank you.
RBR Moderator
"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > wrote in message
news:46B91535.6080602@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m...
> Carmine Clamenza wrote:
>> Check this out...
>>
>> http://www.runmuki.com/paul/writing/davis.html
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis,_California (Read the part on CYCLING)
>> http://www.bicyclefriendlycommunity.org/davis1.htm
>> http://www.city.davis.ca.us/bicycles/
>>
>
> Davis is great for bike commuting, it's true. This is a racing group,
> however.
>
>> Davis is close to Sacramento's airport. Davis is about 80 miles from the
>> Bay Area. It's close to Lake Berryesa to the west and Rocklin to the
>> east. Rocklin, California is where Max Testa and Eric Heidin are located.
>> Here's their website: http://www.athleticamps.com/
>>
>
> They're in Utah, now.
>
> Dan
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 18:29:26
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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Carmine Clamenza wrote:
> This is a racing group, however. So please refrain from talking about bike
> commuting in this racing group. Thank you.
>
> RBR Moderator
>
My point, in case I wasn't clear, was that she was interested in training and racing, or she wouldn't have posted here, not necessarily the characteristics which contribute to a LAB Pt designation. By those criteria Davis might not be optimal.
Dan
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 19:46:34
From: Carmine Clamenza
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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http://www.dbcraceteam.org/
http://www.dbcraceteam.org/Team/race-rides.html
http://www.dbcraceteam.org/Team/index.html
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 09:08:08
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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Carmine Clamenza wrote:
> http://www.dbcraceteam.org/
> http://www.dbcraceteam.org/Team/race-rides.html
"In general, race rides are held on Tuesdays and Thursdays during the daylight savings time season,"
Did you even read the initial post, or just the subject?
> http://www.dbcraceteam.org/Team/index.html
>
>
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 06:15:14
From: Carmine Clamenza
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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There is no need to get emotional - this newsgroup is about racing.
"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > wrote in message
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> Carmine Clamenza wrote:
>> http://www.dbcraceteam.org/
>> http://www.dbcraceteam.org/Team/race-rides.html
>
> "In general, race rides are held on Tuesdays and Thursdays during the
> daylight savings time season,"
>
> Did you even read the initial post, or just the subject?
>
>
>
>> http://www.dbcraceteam.org/Team/index.html
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 12:02:19
From: Carmine Clamenza
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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Go to Davis, California. It's bike rider central.
"xzzy" <mrbikejoc1@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:cJCdnb8VJLUFKCXbnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> My wife's work may be moving her to California for 6 months October 07
> thru March 08.
>
> She can chose the location in California and she can change to a different
> location at the end of December.
>
> I could use some help determining; where are the good roads, and what
> location(s) is/are centrally located to races.
>
> Thank you!
>
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 13:32:21
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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Carmine Clamenza wrote:
> Go to Davis, California. It's bike rider central.
>
Climate data are available here:
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/summary/Climsmsca.html
For example, precipitation for Davis and San Diego:
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliGCStP.pl?cadavi
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliGCStP.pl?ca7740
Davis gets around 18 days of > 0.1 in precipitation in winter, compared to 11 days for San Diego. Plus, San Diego has Palomar, while Davis is relatively far from the hills. There's good group rides in each location. Sprawl is bad enough in Davis, but worse in San Diego.
It's mid-60F's in San Diego, mid-50F's in Davis, in winter.
Dan
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 13:22:06
From: Dana Myers
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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Carmine Clamenza wrote:
> Go to Davis, California. It's bike rider central.
I've lived in Northern California for a total of 28 years,
and lived in Southern California for a total of 16 years.
The months of October through March will not be as wet in
Southern California; since I was not bicycling much when I
lived in SoCal, I'll defer to the judgement of others for
specific towns to live in.
As for Northern California, I'd suggest the East SF Bay,
but that may just be because I'm from that area.
Davis, in particular, is popular as a bicycling city,
but it's really a bit isolated from everywhere else. But
I suppose it does have a lot of long, flat roads around it.
Dana
(who enjoyed the "record low" heat on Sunday on the American River
Parkway).
> "xzzy" <mrbikejoc1@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:cJCdnb8VJLUFKCXbnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> My wife's work may be moving her to California for 6 months October 07
>> thru March 08.
>>
>> She can chose the location in California and she can change to a different
>> location at the end of December.
>>
>> I could use some help determining; where are the good roads, and what
>> location(s) is/are centrally located to races.
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 18:59:45
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Where to ride in California
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xzzy wrote:
> My wife's work may be moving her to California for 6 months October 07 thru
> March 08.
>
> She can chose the location in California and she can change to a different
> location at the end of December.
>
> I could use some help determining; where are the good roads, and what
> location(s) is/are centrally located to races.
>
> Thank you!
>
>
For the other six months, I'd say San Francisco, but for the winter, there's less rain in SoCal. San Diego is probably ideal... for riding, anyway.
Dan
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