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Date: 21 Mar 2007 22:02:28
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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http://www.blackwaterusa.com/armored/
"The leader in the high-threat security industry, Blackwater incorporates
real-world lessons learned on the streets of Iraq and Afghanistan into all
of our operations. Now, we've gone one step further."
Isn't it time for him to come out and blame the DoD of purposely killing US
troops by not buying this vehicle right now? The fact that they aren't in
Iraq this very minute proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they really
don't care about the lives of the common grunt!
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 17:24:03
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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Just wanted to add what is hopefully a last comment, because almost
everyone gets what the reality is.
Really good piece of analysis that is well worth the time to read:
http://tinyurl.com/2mujde
Just a snippet
Operationally, we could open negotiations with all our Sunni opponents
other than al Qaeda in Iraq, attempting to reach a settlement that
would isolate the latter. General Petraeus has dropped hints he would
like to do this. We would have to assure the nationalist opposition
that we do plan to leave, and the Baathists that they would be re-
legalized and given some share of political power. It would require a
delicate balancing act, since any arrangement with the Baathists would
enrage the Shiites, who could threaten our supply lines. It might
nonetheless be possible, except that the Bush White House would again
almost certainly veto it. As General Petraeus has probably already
discovered, there is no position more difficult than that of minister
to an idiot king.
Bill C
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 01:39:03
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1174695843.097540.265450@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> As General Petraeus has probably already
> discovered, there is no position more difficult than that of minister
> to an idiot king.
Unless it's pleasing a moron.
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 19:14:30
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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In article <Xi%Mh.130642$_73.105715@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:1174695843.097540.265450@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> > As General Petraeus has probably already
> > discovered, there is no position more difficult than that of minister
> > to an idiot king.
>
> Unless it's pleasing a moron.
Pleasing a moron is easy - just look how simple it was for Bush to
please you.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 24 Mar 2007 12:12:02
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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Tom Kunich wrote:
>> Unless it's pleasing a moron.
Howard Kveck wrote:
> Pleasing a moron is easy - just look how simple it was for Bush to
> please you.
Is that an imbecile pleasing a moron or a moron pleasing an imbecile ?
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 16:58:07
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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On 23, 11:16 am, "Robert Chung" <m...@address.invalid > wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they really don't care about the
> > lives of the common grunt!
>
> and
>
> > It's just really good to know that you're so up on all this stuff and
> > know a lot more than the Pentagon about what's needed and where.
>
> From
> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR200...>
>
> "The U.S. military's faulty war plans [... allowed] widespread looting of
> weapons and explosives used to make roadside bombs that cause the bulk of
> U.S. casualties, according to a government report released yesterday."
More good planning and response to threats:
http://tinyurl.com/25spbt
Quoted:
McVadon, who has written about the Chinese navy, called the Sizzler
``right now the most pertinent and pressing threat the U.S. faces in
the case of a Taiwan conflict.'' Jane's, the London-based defense
information group, reported in 2005 in its publication ``Missiles and
Rockets'' that Russia had offered the missile to Iran as part of a
sale in the 1990s of three Kilo- class subines.
That report was confirmed by the Pentagon official who requested
anonymity. The Office of Naval Intelligence suggested the same thing
in a 2004 report, highlighting in its assessment of itime threats
Iran's possible acquisition of additional Russian diesel subines
``with advanced anti-ship cruise missiles
But Hey we all know that the Strait of Hormuz isn't important and Iran
isn't belligerent so no worries, right?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6489493.stm
Mrs Beckett said: "We understand that they were in two boats that were
operating in Iraqi waters in accordance with the Security Council
Resolution 1723 in support of the government of Iraq to stop
smuggling."
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=a_Aw9B.MGCuY&refer=us
General John Abizaid, the top U.S. commander in the Middle East, said
in a written statement to the House Armed Services Committee on ch
15 that Iran is expanding naval bases along its shoreline and now has
``large quantities'' of small, fast- attack ships, many armed with
torpedoes and Chinese-made high- speed missiles capable of firing from
10,000 yards.
``Iran's capabilities are focusing on disrupting oil traffic through
the straits,'' Army Colonel k Tillman, a professor at the National
Defense University in Washington and former Central Command planner,
said in an interview. ``Why else would they have these things?''
To get it back on bicycles, at least after they disrupt global
petroleum that won't hinder our riding.
Bill C
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 13:32:13
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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On 23, 11:16 am, "Robert Chung" <m...@address.invalid > wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they really don't care about the
> > lives of the common grunt!
>
> and
>
> > It's just really good to know that you're so up on all this stuff and
> > know a lot more than the Pentagon about what's needed and where.
>
> From
> <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR200...>
>
> "The U.S. military's faulty war plans [... allowed] widespread looting of
> weapons and explosives used to make roadside bombs that cause the bulk of
> U.S. casualties, according to a government report released yesterday."
Note the second quoted paragraph in particular:
http://tinyurl.com/o2l7v
Mr. Ricks argues that the invasion of Iraq "was based on perhaps the
worst war plan in American history," an incomplete plan that "confused
removing Iraq's regime with the far more difficult task of changing
the entire country." The result of going in with too few troops and no
larger strategic plan, he says, was "that the U.S. effort resembled a
banana republic coup d'=E9tat more than a full-scale war plan that
reflected the ambition of a great power to alter the politics of a
crucial region of the world."
This was partly a byproduct of the Pollyannaish optimism of hawks like
Deputy Defense Secretary Paul D. Wolfowitz, who slapped down the
estimate by the Army's chief of staff, Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, that
several hundred thousand soldiers would be required to secure Iraq.
And it was partly a byproduct of a conviction shared by Secretary
Rumsfeld and Gen. Tommy Franks that speed, in Mr. Ricks's words,
"could be substituted for mass in military operations."
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB214/index.htm
Bill C
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 23:37:17
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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On 21, 6:38 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> It's just really good to know that you're so up on all this stuff and know a
> lot more than the Pentagon about what's needed and where.
Dumbass -
Have you not been paying attention for the last 4 years?
It's not the military itself. Rumsfeld didn't listen to his generals.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 23:48:31
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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In article <1174545437.796765.159730@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
"Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringioni@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 21, 6:38 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > It's just really good to know that you're so up on all this stuff and know a
> > lot more than the Pentagon about what's needed and where.
>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> Have you not been paying attention for the last 4 years?
A self-answering question in this case.
> It's not the military itself. Rumsfeld didn't listen to his generals.
The civilian part of the Pentagon thought they knew far more than the
military part of the Pentagon about how it should be done. Guess again.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 15:23:39
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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On 21, 6:02 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> http://www.blackwaterusa.com/armored/
>
> "The leader in the high-threat security industry, Blackwater incorporates
> real-world lessons learned on the streets of Iraq and Afghanistan into all
> of our operations. Now, we've gone one step further."
>
> Isn't it time for him to come out and blame the DoD of purposely killing US
> troops by not buying this vehicle right now? The fact that they aren't in
> Iraq this very minute proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they really
> don't care about the lives of the common grunt!
Old news idiot, and the ine Corp was already on this and has
ordered vehicles. These aren't new either.
I don't see Blackwater being awarded shit, and they did NOT develop
these. Lot's of Euro countries already have them in service.
http://www.defense-update.com/products/m/mrap.htm
The full list of MRAP contractors include:
BAE Systems, Ground Systems Division -RG-33
Oshkosh Truck Corporation - Bushmaster
Protected Vehicles, Inc. (PVI) - Golan
General Dynamics Land Systems - Canada - RG-31
Force Protection Industries, Inc. - Cougar, Buffalo
Armor Holdings, Inc. Armored FMTV
Textron ine & Land Systems, New Orleans, La. - ASV
General Purpose Vehicles, LLC. (GPV)
International Military and Government LLC (APC)
Day late and a whole lot short of having a clue.
Bill C
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 02:38:44
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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It's just really good to know that you're so up on all this stuff and know a
lot more than the Pentagon about what's needed and where.
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 16:16:52
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they really don't care about the
> lives of the common grunt!
and
> It's just really good to know that you're so up on all this stuff and
> know a lot more than the Pentagon about what's needed and where.
From
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032202017.html >
"The U.S. military's faulty war plans [... allowed] widespread looting of
weapons and explosives used to make roadside bombs that cause the bulk of
U.S. casualties, according to a government report released yesterday."
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 16:27:39
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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In article <56i9b4F27tbtuU1@mid.individual.net >, "Robert Chung"
<me@address.invalid > wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> > proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they really don't care about the
> > lives of the common grunt!
>
> and
>
> > It's just really good to know that you're so up on all this stuff and
> > know a lot more than the Pentagon about what's needed and where.
>
> From
>
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032202017.html >
>
> "The U.S. military's faulty war plans [... allowed] widespread looting of
> weapons and explosives used to make roadside bombs that cause the bulk of
> U.S. casualties, according to a government report released yesterday."
Like the 342 tons that of high explosives that went missing from the al
Qa'qaa storage facility.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 12:02:44
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> It's just really good to know that you're so up on all this stuff and
> know a lot more than the Pentagon about what's needed and where.
Alberto Gonzales, last week: "As we can all imagine, in an organization of
110,000 people, I am not aware of every bit of information that passes
through the halls of the Department of Justice, nor am I aware of all
decisions."
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 22:08:02
From: Charles
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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"Robert Chung" <me@address.invalid > wrote in message
news:56f62lF272g1mU1@mid.individual.net...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
> > It's just really good to know that you're so up on all this stuff and
> > know a lot more than the Pentagon about what's needed and where.
>
> Alberto Gonzales, last week: "As we can all imagine, in an organization of
> 110,000 people, I am not aware of every bit of information that passes
> through the halls of the Department of Justice, nor am I aware of all
> decisions."
>
But did he send an e-mail about it ? Kinda like the 18 minute Rose y
Woods gap.
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 22:29:09
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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In article <Qv2dnQti2MHMqp7bnZ2dnUVZ_qSrnZ2d@comcast.com >, "Charles"
<guyonabike@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "Robert Chung" <me@address.invalid> wrote in message
> news:56f62lF272g1mU1@mid.individual.net...
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > It's just really good to know that you're so up on all this stuff and
> > > know a lot more than the Pentagon about what's needed and where.
> >
> > Alberto Gonzales, last week: "As we can all imagine, in an organization of
> > 110,000 people, I am not aware of every bit of information that passes
> > through the halls of the Department of Justice, nor am I aware of all
> > decisions."
> >
> But did he send an e-mail about it ? Kinda like the 18 minute Rose y
> Woods gap.
Abu Gonzales apparently doesn't do e-mail. And it is interesting that
there was an 18 day gap in the e-mail documents that were turned over.
What is it with Republicans and 18?
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 09:59:51
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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On Thu, 22 2007 22:29:09 -0700, YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com (Howard
Kveck) wrote:
>Abu Gonzales apparently doesn't do e-mail. And it is interesting that
>there was an 18 day gap in the e-mail documents that were turned over.
>What is it with Republicans and 18?
Obviously you're not part of the Secret Masonic Order of Republicans,
English Rites. Big stuff can only be ordered by 18th degree SMORERs.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 09:29:16
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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Howard Kveck wrote:
> What is it with Republicans and 18?
Ask Foley.
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 22:49:24
From: Joe Cipale
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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Donald Munro wrote:
> Howard Kveck wrote:
>
>>What is it with Republicans and 18?
>
>
> Ask Foley.
I thought his focus was 'under 18'...
So anything up to 17'59" is fair game in his eyes I suppose.
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 18:14:19
From: Mark & Steven Bornfeld
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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Robert Chung wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>> It's just really good to know that you're so up on all this stuff and
>> know a lot more than the Pentagon about what's needed and where.
>
> Alberto Gonzales, last week: "As we can all imagine, in an organization of
> 110,000 people, I am not aware of every bit of information that passes
> through the halls of the Department of Justice, nor am I aware of all
> decisions."
>
>
I guess that means he ain't the decider.
Steve
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k & Steven Bornfeld DDS
http://www.dentaltwins.com
Brooklyn, NY
718-258-5001
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Date: 22 Mar 2007 22:33:22
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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In article <%HzMh.12349$zx.988@trndny05 >, k & Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldmung@dentaltwins.com > wrote:
> Robert Chung wrote:
> > Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> It's just really good to know that you're so up on all this stuff and
> >> know a lot more than the Pentagon about what's needed and where.
> >
> > Alberto Gonzales, last week: "As we can all imagine, in an organization of
> > 110,000 people, I am not aware of every bit of information that passes
> > through the halls of the Department of Justice, nor am I aware of all
> > decisions."
> >
> >
>
> I guess that means he ain't the decider.
As far as the decider goes, I think Tbogg nails it here:
http://tbogg.blogspot.com/2007/03/little-big-president-gov.html
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 21 Mar 2007 22:09:37
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Where's BillC When You Really Need Him
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> It's just really good to know that you're so up on all this stuff and know a
> lot more than the Pentagon about what's needed and where.
>
>
I don't think the ine Corp will be very happy to know that you've
moved them out of the Pentagon.
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