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Date: 13 Jul 2007 16:35:02
From: chrismhaney
Subject: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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I have a mid 80's Eddy Merck I would like to have repainted to original
condition.
Any suggestions as to who might do this?
Chris
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 18:27:52
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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On Jul 23, 9:11 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> news:1185236400.280174.219830@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
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> > On Jul 23, 7:00 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >> "Mark" <twobowl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >>news:1185204509.355083.305180@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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> >> >> > What did D+D charge your friend for the black/orange job? I'm
> >> >> > actually curious as I'm considering a respray of an old Basso
> >> >> > frameset.
>
> >> > Hey Tom -- how about answering the question?
>
> >> I gave you the phone number of the shop. Do you have a problem calling
> >> and
> >> asking them directly? Or are you really the sort of person that requires
> >> other people to do your enquiries for you?
>
> >> Oh, wait, you're simply too stupid to dial a phone!
>
> > That should be a good conversation:
> > Mark: Hello my name is Mark. I was wondering what you charged Tom
> > Kunich to paint his frame?
> > D & D : Sorry but we don't discuss other customers business.
>
> Personally I'm enjoying this conversation. I give the phone number of the
> company and tell him what town it's in and he wants me to provide him a
> service. Precisely identifying what he is I assume?- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
Yeah, what you paid in the past isn't really relevant. Because the
building materials market is so volatile we only guarantee our
estimates for 90 days. Even then things change so quickly that we
almost always call to double check prices before doing an estimate.
Customers really have a hard time with just how volatile prices
actually are so we encourage them to check for themselves too.
Can't do much more than you did.
Bill C
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 01:49:53
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1185240472.932149.50610@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
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> Yeah, what you paid in the past isn't really relevant.
Especially since it wasn't mine and as I said the bike painted belonged to a
friend of mine. The paint was mixed special to match the Meltemi orange that
Merckx used that was almost red. My friend just returned from climbing the
Stelvio and showed me pictures of the Merckx bikes in the little chapel of
Madonna de Ghisallo - they were almost exactly the same color.
> Can't do much more than you did.
I can point out sissies when I see them.....
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 17:20:00
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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On Jul 23, 7:00 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Mark" <twobowl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> news:1185204509.355083.305180@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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> >> > What did D+D charge your friend for the black/orange job? I'm
> >> > actually curious as I'm considering a respray of an old Basso
> >> > frameset.
>
> > Hey Tom -- how about answering the question?
>
> I gave you the phone number of the shop. Do you have a problem calling and
> asking them directly? Or are you really the sort of person that requires
> other people to do your enquiries for you?
>
> Oh, wait, you're simply too stupid to dial a phone!
That should be a good conversation:
Mark: Hello my name is Mark. I was wondering what you charged Tom
Kunich to paint his frame?
D & D : Sorry but we don't discuss other customers business.
Bill C
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 01:11:39
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1185236400.280174.219830@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 23, 7:00 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> "Mark" <twobowl...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1185204509.355083.305180@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > What did D+D charge your friend for the black/orange job? I'm
>> >> > actually curious as I'm considering a respray of an old Basso
>> >> > frameset.
>>
>> > Hey Tom -- how about answering the question?
>>
>> I gave you the phone number of the shop. Do you have a problem calling
>> and
>> asking them directly? Or are you really the sort of person that requires
>> other people to do your enquiries for you?
>>
>> Oh, wait, you're simply too stupid to dial a phone!
>
> That should be a good conversation:
> Mark: Hello my name is Mark. I was wondering what you charged Tom
> Kunich to paint his frame?
> D & D : Sorry but we don't discuss other customers business.
Personally I'm enjoying this conversation. I give the phone number of the
company and tell him what town it's in and he wants me to provide him a
service. Precisely identifying what he is I assume?
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 17:16:38
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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On Jul 19, 12:26 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> Do you suppose I should ask my friend how much he paid to have his bike
> painted for your sake?
I do. You brought it up and should follow though with something
useful. Besides, based on the amount of time you spend in RBR and
writing poorly conceived letters to editors you clearly have limitless
time on your hands. Besides, you might as well do something useful
since thus far your contributions have been: (a) some marginally
entertaining name calling, (b) a vague reference to a dead hot rodder
(very helpful really) and (c) some additional ranting on about what
you think a paint job should cost.
> I have noticed that those who write like you are generally pansies.
Hmmm, funny because my impression of people like yourself is that your
mommy protected you too long as a child so you never got punched hard
enough in the sandbox to learn proper manners and civility.
That said, is "pansy" really is that the best you can come up with? I
mean this isn't the 1940s anymore. I'm sure you can work up a good
lather and do better next time. C'mon entertain us.
Mark
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 19:46:03
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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In article <1185236198.106225.233080@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
Mark <twobowlers@aol.com > wrote:
> On Jul 19, 12:26 am, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > Do you suppose I should ask my friend how much he paid to have his bike
> > painted for your sake?
>
> I do. You brought it up and should follow though with something
> useful. Besides, based on the amount of time you spend in RBR and
> writing poorly conceived letters to editors you clearly have limitless
> time on your hands. Besides, you might as well do something useful
> since thus far your contributions have been: (a) some marginally
> entertaining name calling, (b) a vague reference to a dead hot rodder
> (very helpful really) and (c) some additional ranting on about what
> you think a paint job should cost.
>
> > I have noticed that those who write like you are generally pansies.
>
> Hmmm, funny because my impression of people like yourself is that your
> mommy protected you too long as a child so you never got punched hard
> enough in the sandbox to learn proper manners and civility.
Man, getting punched in the sandbox must be almost as bad getting gored in the
gazebo.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 01:10:11
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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"Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1185236198.106225.233080@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> Hmmm, funny because my impression of people like yourself is that your
> mommy protected you too long as a child so you never got punched hard
> enough in the sandbox to learn proper manners and civility.
Then by all means drop by and see for yourself. Don't let the fact that I
grew up in east Oakland and went to Castlemont High School clue you in on
anything.
> That said, is "pansy" really is that the best you can come up with?
Aside from the fact that you need someone to hold your hand because you're
afraid to call the painter and ask him how much it costs to paint your
unknown bike in unknown condition? Yeah, I think that's pretty discriptive.
Bet you think you're pretty in pink as well.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 08:28:29
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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> > What did D+D charge your friend for the black/orange job? I'm
> > actually curious as I'm considering a respray of an old Basso
> > frameset.
Hey Tom -- how about answering the question?
Mark
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 23:00:17
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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"Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1185204509.355083.305180@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> > What did D+D charge your friend for the black/orange job? I'm
>> > actually curious as I'm considering a respray of an old Basso
>> > frameset.
>
> Hey Tom -- how about answering the question?
I gave you the phone number of the shop. Do you have a problem calling and
asking them directly? Or are you really the sort of person that requires
other people to do your enquiries for you?
Oh, wait, you're simply too stupid to dial a phone!
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 04:50:49
From: Bret
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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On Jul 17, 6:01 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <pe...@vecchios.com >
wrote:
> On Jul 13, 2:35 pm, "chrismhaney" <chrismha...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > I have a mid 80's Eddy Merck I would like to have repainted to original
> > condition.
> > Any suggestions as to who might do this?
>
> > Chris
>
> http://www.boulderbikecrafters.com/
>
> They are painting my Merckx now..I supplied the decals but they can
> have them made.
I recently had three frames stripped and powder coated, all for $200
at a place in Golden, CO. They did a very nice job.
http://www.powdercoatingspecialties.com/
Bret
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 16:44:58
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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On Jul 16, 8:49 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> No surprise from someone who believes that $600
> for a paint job on a bicycle is somehow justified.
You didn't answer my question about your friends paint job. And you
pulled the $600 figure out of your butt but that's not atypical for
you is it?
Mark
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 04:26:20
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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"Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1184802298.957512.65790@e16g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 16, 8:49 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>> No surprise from someone who believes that $600
>> for a paint job on a bicycle is somehow justified.
>
> You didn't answer my question about your friends paint job. And you
> pulled the $600 figure out of your butt but that's not atypical for
> you is it?
Nor is it atypical for those posting here to not bother to actually go to
the web sites and look it up Somewhere on CyclArt's website was a comment
that "Average for a CyclArt refinish is about $495.".
Do you suppose I should ask my friend how much he paid to have his bike
painted for your sake? I mean after all, you're such a pleasant person and
all I should really go out of my way to find out for you shouldn't I? And
since the bikes I've had painted there or knew the price of were shop prices
and not retail customer prices. But let's just say that they were a whole
lot cheaper than $600.
I have noticed that those who write like you are generally pansies.
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 11:00:24
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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On Jul 16, 9:39 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> I was a friend of Tommy and saw him just a few years ago before he died.
So let's provide a link here already:
http://www.herbmartinez.com/tommy/tommy.htm
Whoops, and pffft! there goes one little corner of the Vast Secret
Kunowlege. Thank God for the Internet!
> I'm well aware what fancy paint jobs on cars are/were going for and that
> still doesn't make $600 paint jobs on a steel bike justified.
The CycleArt sticker, and of course the really correct decals, and
maybe even the really correct color all add up.
Cost me more than that to get my ducts cleaned in the new house. Time
marches on, and COL goes up.
Praise be to entrepreneurs who provide services people want at prices
they're willing to pay.
Myself, I'm riding a nice old Litespeed Catalyst that someone else
took the decals off of (except the one little flag thing). At last, a
bike I can ride w/o concern for the cosmetics. --D-y
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 12:01:05
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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On Jul 13, 2:35 pm, "chrismhaney" <chrismha...@bellsouth.net > wrote:
> I have a mid 80's Eddy Merck I would like to have repainted to original
> condition.
> Any suggestions as to who might do this?
>
> Chris
http://www.boulderbikecrafters.com/
They are painting my Merckx now..I supplied the decals but they can
have them made.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 00:01:09
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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"Qui si parla Campagnolo" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in message
news:1184673665.643064.133250@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 13, 2:35 pm, "chrismhaney" <chrismha...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> I have a mid 80's Eddy Merck I would like to have repainted to original
>> condition.
>> Any suggestions as to who might do this?
>>
>> Chris
>
> http://www.boulderbikecrafters.com/
>
> They are painting my Merckx now..I supplied the decals but they can
> have them made.
All it takes is a picture of the original and you can even take them on a
bike and have them "unwound" to come out flat correctly. Then you use a
color printer on "decal" stock. They are now making almost perfect
reproductions that look great under clear coat. I prefer the old water slide
decals though.
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 07:18:51
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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On Jul 15, 8:56 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> Funny thing that CyclArt can charge more for a paint job on a bike than
> Tommy the Greek did for a complete car.
Indeed. If you have a Pinto or a Vega get a few cans of Rustoleum and
have at it. If you have a vintage Ferrari you'll probably do something
a bit better than the $99 Maaco special.
What did D+D charge your friend for the black/orange job? I'm
actually curious as I'm considering a respray of an old Basso
frameset.
Mark
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 00:49:15
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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"Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1184595531.727563.260200@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 15, 8:56 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>> Funny thing that CyclArt can charge more for a paint job on a bike than
>> Tommy the Greek did for a complete car.
>
> Indeed. If you have a Pinto or a Vega get a few cans of Rustoleum and
> have at it. If you have a vintage Ferrari you'll probably do something
> a bit better than the $99 Maaco special.
>
> What did D+D charge your friend for the black/orange job? I'm
> actually curious as I'm considering a respray of an old Basso
> frameset.
I see you have no idea who Tommy the Greek was. No surprise from someone who
believes that $600 for a paint job on a bicycle is somehow justified.
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 18:51:36
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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In article <fmUmi.8067$tj6.4887@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1184595531.727563.260200@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 15, 8:56 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >
> >> Funny thing that CyclArt can charge more for a paint job on a bike than
> >> Tommy the Greek did for a complete car.
> >
> > Indeed. If you have a Pinto or a Vega get a few cans of Rustoleum and
> > have at it. If you have a vintage Ferrari you'll probably do something
> > a bit better than the $99 Maaco special.
> >
> > What did D+D charge your friend for the black/orange job? I'm
> > actually curious as I'm considering a respray of an old Basso
> > frameset.
>
> I see you have no idea who Tommy the Greek was. No surprise from someone who
> believes that $600 for a paint job on a bicycle is somehow justified.
Tom, you do realize that when guys like von Dutch and T the G were painting cars
for the prices you're intimating, it was in the '50s. You don't think their prices
would have gone up in the meantime? Christ, von Dutch used to stripe for $6.00 an
hour - I assure you his rate would be far higher now (if he was alive, of course).
Have you priced a quality paint job on a car now at a *good* shop? It's far more than
you seem to think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOaEhMHe3jo
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 22:30:01
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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In article
<YOURhoward-D25688.18513616072007@comcast.dca.giganews.
com >,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> In article <fmUmi.8067$tj6.4887@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> > "Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:1184595531.727563.260200@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Jul 15, 8:56 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Funny thing that CyclArt can charge more for a paint job on a bike than
> > >> Tommy the Greek did for a complete car.
> > >
> > > Indeed. If you have a Pinto or a Vega get a few cans of Rustoleum and
> > > have at it. If you have a vintage Ferrari you'll probably do something
> > > a bit better than the $99 Maaco special.
> > >
> > > What did D+D charge your friend for the black/orange job? I'm
> > > actually curious as I'm considering a respray of an old Basso
> > > frameset.
> >
> > I see you have no idea who Tommy the Greek was. No surprise from someone who
> > believes that $600 for a paint job on a bicycle is somehow justified.
>
> Tom, you do realize that when guys like von Dutch and T the G were painting cars
> for the prices you're intimating, it was in the '50s. You don't think their prices
> would have gone up in the meantime? Christ, von Dutch used to stripe for $6.00 an
> hour - I assure you his rate would be far higher now (if he was alive, of course).
> Have you priced a quality paint job on a car now at a *good* shop? It's far more than
> you seem to think.
First rate job on a car ~$3000 US.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 16:11:41
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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in message <YOURhoward-D25688.18513616072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com >,
Howard Kveck ('YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com') wrote:
> In article <fmUmi.8067$tj6.4887@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>> "Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1184595531.727563.260200@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Jul 15, 8:56 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Funny thing that CyclArt can charge more for a paint job on a bike
>> >> than Tommy the Greek did for a complete car.
>> >
>> > Indeed. If you have a Pinto or a Vega get a few cans of Rustoleum and
>> > have at it. If you have a vintage Ferrari you'll probably do something
>> > a bit better than the $99 Maaco special.
>> >
>> > What did D+D charge your friend for the black/orange job? I'm
>> > actually curious as I'm considering a respray of an old Basso
>> > frameset.
>>
>> I see you have no idea who Tommy the Greek was. No surprise from someone
>> who believes that $600 for a paint job on a bicycle is somehow
>> justified.
>
> Tom, you do realize that when guys like von Dutch and T the G were
> painting cars
> for the prices you're intimating, it was in the '50s. You don't think
> their prices would have gone up in the meantime? Christ, von Dutch used
> to stripe for $6.00 an hour - I assure you his rate would be far higher
> now (if he was alive, of course). Have you priced a quality paint job on
> a car now at a *good* shop? It's far more than you seem to think.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOaEhMHe3jo
Objection, your honour!
Those guys are clearly not members of LIVEDRUNK!
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
Q: Whats a webmaster?
A: Like a spider, but nowhere near as intelligent.
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 02:39:24
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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"Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote in message
news:YOURhoward-D25688.18513616072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <fmUmi.8067$tj6.4887@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>> "Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1184595531.727563.260200@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> > On Jul 15, 8:56 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Funny thing that CyclArt can charge more for a paint job on a bike
>> >> than
>> >> Tommy the Greek did for a complete car.
>> >
>> > Indeed. If you have a Pinto or a Vega get a few cans of Rustoleum and
>> > have at it. If you have a vintage Ferrari you'll probably do something
>> > a bit better than the $99 Maaco special.
>> >
>> > What did D+D charge your friend for the black/orange job? I'm
>> > actually curious as I'm considering a respray of an old Basso
>> > frameset.
>>
>> I see you have no idea who Tommy the Greek was. No surprise from someone
>> who
>> believes that $600 for a paint job on a bicycle is somehow justified.
>
> Tom, you do realize that when guys like von Dutch and T the G were
> painting cars
> for the prices you're intimating, it was in the '50s.
I was a friend of Tommy and saw him just a few years ago before he died. We
were both invited to a motorcycle show that introduced a spectacularly great
bike built by a late great friend of mine - two Indian 80's put together so
well that it appeared to be a factory V4 from the 1920's. The builder was a
friend of mine and the builder's son was a friend of both mine and Tommy's.
I'm well aware what fancy paint jobs on cars are/were going for and that
still doesn't make $600 paint jobs on a steel bike justified.
As for the pretense that it is somehow significantly harder to put on an
epoxy paint instead of a powdercoat - only someone blowing smoke would say
that.
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 22:43:10
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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In article <wZVmi.8095$tj6.5856@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> I'm well aware what fancy paint jobs on cars are/were going for and that
> still doesn't make $600 paint jobs on a steel bike justified.
Well, as I said, if those guys were painting now, their prices would be in the
same range as what's going now and that can be a lot.
> As for the pretense that it is somehow significantly harder to put on an
> epoxy paint instead of a powdercoat - only someone blowing smoke would say
> that.
Well, doing a good job with any wet paint is somewhat harder than powdercoating,
but there really isn't much comparison between the jobs, I think. Like anything,
there are varying levels of quality and comensurate pricing. Just like a Yugo and a
Ferrari are both cars but you gotta pay a lot more for one than the other. Cyclart
does some very good work (though I wouldn't go to them) - it depends on what you're
looking for.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 08:26:31
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:39:24 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
>"Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
>news:YOURhoward-D25688.18513616072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>> In article <fmUmi.8067$tj6.4887@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
>> "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1184595531.727563.260200@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>>> > On Jul 15, 8:56 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Funny thing that CyclArt can charge more for a paint job on a bike
>>> >> than
>>> >> Tommy the Greek did for a complete car.
>>> >
>>> > Indeed. If you have a Pinto or a Vega get a few cans of Rustoleum and
>>> > have at it. If you have a vintage Ferrari you'll probably do something
>>> > a bit better than the $99 Maaco special.
>>> >
>>> > What did D+D charge your friend for the black/orange job? I'm
>>> > actually curious as I'm considering a respray of an old Basso
>>> > frameset.
>>>
>>> I see you have no idea who Tommy the Greek was. No surprise from someone
>>> who
>>> believes that $600 for a paint job on a bicycle is somehow justified.
>>
>> Tom, you do realize that when guys like von Dutch and T the G were
>> painting cars
>> for the prices you're intimating, it was in the '50s.
>
>I was a friend of Tommy and saw him just a few years ago before he died. We
>were both invited to a motorcycle show that introduced a spectacularly great
>bike built by a late great friend of mine - two Indian 80's put together so
>well that it appeared to be a factory V4 from the 1920's. The builder was a
>friend of mine and the builder's son was a friend of both mine and Tommy's.
>
>I'm well aware what fancy paint jobs on cars are/were going for and that
>still doesn't make $600 paint jobs on a steel bike justified.
How much would YOU have to charge to do the job and make a profit. Remember this
isn't just painting a bike. That's what I or apparently you might want, a
freshly painted bike. This is for people who want to admire the perfection of
their bike. It's a different thing and takes longer. You also get to pay more
because there are a lot of people in line to get that kind of work and for any
craftsman the answer to overlong waiting lists is to raise the price.
>As for the pretense that it is somehow significantly harder to put on an
>epoxy paint instead of a powdercoat - only someone blowing smoke would say
>that.
It's only harder if you do it to a higher standard. And under the best of
conditions requires more skilled man hours of work.
Ron
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 21:54:30
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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RonSonic wrote:
> It's only harder if you do it to a higher standard. And under the best of
> conditions requires more skilled man hours of work.
"a thing is worth as much as it can be sold for."
Bernard Botone of Parma, plagiarizing Ben Franklin
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 21:33:31
From: William R. Mattil
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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RonSonic wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:39:24 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>> I'm well aware what fancy paint jobs on cars are/were going for and that
>> still doesn't make $600 paint jobs on a steel bike justified.
>
> How much would YOU have to charge to do the job and make a profit. Remember this
> isn't just painting a bike. That's what I or apparently you might want, a
> freshly painted bike. This is for people who want to admire the perfection of
> their bike. It's a different thing and takes longer. You also get to pay more
> because there are a lot of people in line to get that kind of work and for any
> craftsman the answer to overlong waiting lists is to raise the price.
>
>> As for the pretense that it is somehow significantly harder to put on an
>> epoxy paint instead of a powdercoat - only someone blowing smoke would say
>> that.
>
> It's only harder if you do it to a higher standard. And under the best of
> conditions requires more skilled man hours of work.
I don't suppose that it dawned on Tom that the logos for some frames are
difficult if not impossible to find ? That's certainly worth a few extra
bucks to anyone wanted to restore a vintage frame.
And BTW Tom ... it is a *lot* harder to actually spray a 2 part paint
onto a frame than it is to powder coat one. I suggest you give it a try ?
Bill
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 00:03:01
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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"William R. Mattil" <wrmattil@ix.netcom.com > wrote in message
news:LAani.22340$RX.2572@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net...
> RonSonic wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:39:24 GMT, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> I'm well aware what fancy paint jobs on cars are/were going for and that
>>> still doesn't make $600 paint jobs on a steel bike justified.
>>
>> How much would YOU have to charge to do the job and make a profit.
>> Remember this
>> isn't just painting a bike. That's what I or apparently you might want, a
>> freshly painted bike. This is for people who want to admire the
>> perfection of
>> their bike. It's a different thing and takes longer. You also get to pay
>> more
>> because there are a lot of people in line to get that kind of work and
>> for any
>> craftsman the answer to overlong waiting lists is to raise the price.
>>
>>> As for the pretense that it is somehow significantly harder to put on an
>>> epoxy paint instead of a powdercoat - only someone blowing smoke would
>>> say that.
>>
>> It's only harder if you do it to a higher standard. And under the best of
>> conditions requires more skilled man hours of work.
>
>
> I don't suppose that it dawned on Tom that the logos for some frames are
> difficult if not impossible to find ? That's certainly worth a few extra
> bucks to anyone wanted to restore a vintage frame.
>
> And BTW Tom ... it is a *lot* harder to actually spray a 2 part paint onto
> a frame than it is to powder coat one. I suggest you give it a try ?
By the way - no it ain't. It's just that with powdercoat you don't need to
be all that neat if you won't want to since the baking self levels the
coatings. And yes I have painted before.
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 21:11:15
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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"Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote in message
news:YOURhoward-D25688.18513616072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
>
> Tom, you do realize that when guys like von Dutch and T the G were
> painting cars
> for the prices you're intimating, it was in the '50s. You don't think
> their prices
> would have gone up in the meantime? Christ, von Dutch used to stripe for
> $6.00 an
> hour - I assure you his rate would be far higher now (if he was alive, of
> course).
> Have you priced a quality paint job on a car now at a *good* shop? It's
> far more than
> you seem to think.
>
This guy's going rate is apparently $100/hr
http://landrys-life-blog.blogspot.com/2006/03/marine-moms-tribute-to-her-fallen-hero.html
http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/main5/A140391011943D8A8525712500828558?opendocument
Of course that doesn't include the price of irony that her son was killed to
help ensure there would be fuel to drive that thing around.
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 19:32:31
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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In article <czVmi.44677$LE1.26917@newsfe13.lga >, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net>
wrote:
> "Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
> news:YOURhoward-D25688.18513616072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> >
> > Tom, you do realize that when guys like von Dutch and T the G were
> > painting cars for the prices you're intimating, it was in the '50s. You don't
> > think their prices would have gone up in the meantime? Christ, von Dutch used
> > to stripe for $6.00 an hour - I assure you his rate would be far higher now
> > (if he was alive, of course). Have you priced a quality paint job on a car now
> > at a *good* shop? It'sfar more than you seem to think.
> This guy's going rate is apparently $100/hr
>
> http://landrys-life-blog.blogspot.com/2006/03/marine-moms-tribute-to-her-falle
> n-hero.html
>
> http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/main5/A140391011943D8A8525712500828
> 558?opendocument
__________________
"Two hundred and fifty man-hours later, Powell had completed the vehicle. The
custom job would have cost $25,000. Out of respect for Comfort's loss and the
sacrifices the Marines made, AirbrushGuy & Co. did it for free. Comfort only had to
purchase the paint, which cost $3,000."
__________________
Three grand for materials. It isn't cheap.
> Of course that doesn't include the price of irony that her son was killed to
> help ensure there would be fuel to drive that thing around.
Yeah, there is that.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 09:31:27
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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Carl Sundquist wrote:
>> Of course that doesn't include the price of irony that her son was killed to
>> help ensure there would be fuel to drive that thing around.
Howard Kveck wrote:
> Yeah, there is that.
Irony Inc. will be trading on the stock exchange soon.
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 16:52:02
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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On Jul 13, 4:35 pm, "chrismhaney" <chrismha...@bellsouth.net > wrote:
> I have a mid 80's Eddy Merck I would like to have repainted to original
> condition.
> Any suggestions as to who might do this?
>
> Chris
Peter Weigle is as good with the spray gun as he is with the torch so
if you are near Connecticut he's worth a call. In what is a perfect
irony, Peter did the last respray on my vintage Sachs.
FWIW - folks often make comments that some of the well known quality
painters are "not cheap". If you want powdercoat for $150 from the
same guys that do your washingmachine then go for it (I have on race
and mtn bikes, works great). But don't ding the folks that do proper
frame prep and multiple coat paint work for asking a resonable price
for their work.
Mark
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 00:56:41
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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"Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1184543522.559758.315460@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 13, 4:35 pm, "chrismhaney" <chrismha...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> I have a mid 80's Eddy Merck I would like to have repainted to original
>> condition.
>> Any suggestions as to who might do this?
>>
>> Chris
>
> Peter Weigle is as good with the spray gun as he is with the torch so
> if you are near Connecticut he's worth a call. In what is a perfect
> irony, Peter did the last respray on my vintage Sachs.
>
> FWIW - folks often make comments that some of the well known quality
> painters are "not cheap". If you want powdercoat for $150 from the
> same guys that do your washingmachine then go for it (I have on race
> and mtn bikes, works great). But don't ding the folks that do proper
> frame prep and multiple coat paint work for asking a resonable price
> for their work.
Funny thing that CyclArt can charge more for a paint job on a bike than
Tommy the Greek did for a complete car.
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 11:04:07
From:
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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I could reccomend Russ Pickett, a small one man shop in Chico
(Northern California). Don't know if he has the stickers you require
in stock though.
Russ Pickett
Air Art
work (530) 342-7802
work 1621 Spruce Ave.
Chico CA 95926
tell him Rick from The Republic of Anaerobia sent you.
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 10:43:53
From: jerry in vermont
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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On Jul 14, 4:42 am, "hizar...@yahoo.com" <hizar...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I recommend Cycle Art. They have original decals. My only complaint is
> that they are expensive. I usually paint my own frames to save costs.
>
> On Jul 13, 2:42 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Ed Sullivan" <reallybigs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1184360078.235828.274440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Jul 13, 4:35 pm, "chrismhaney" <chrismha...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > >> I have a mid 80's Eddy Merck I would like to have repainted to original
> > >> condition.
> > >> Any suggestions as to who might do this?
>
> > >> Chris
>
> > > Dear Chris,
>
> > >http://www.cyclart.com/newindex.html
>
> > A friend of mine just had exactly the same bike repainted at D & D Cycles
> > (510) 278-2976 in San Leandro. Although in the past I've not had very good
> > service from them I understand that it is now under new management and the
> > paint job and Merckx decals which the owner managed to find from the
> > internet were installed perfectly, the paint color match (Melteni orange)
> > was perfect and when the paint was damaged on a flight to Europe the paint
> > showed remarkable resiliency in my opinion.
>
> > So I give D & D a thumbs up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Joe Bell in California. Paints all the Richard Sachs and many other
customs. I think he is into the vintage/lugged scene, no?
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Date: 15 Jul 2007 21:39:24
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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"jerry in vermont" <engenuityinc@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1184521433.180738.115520@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On Jul 13, 2:42 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>> > A friend of mine just had exactly the same bike repainted at D & D
>> > Cycles
>> > (510) 278-2976 in San Leandro. Although in the past I've not had very
>> > good
>> > service from them I understand that it is now under new management and
>> > the
>> > paint job and Merckx decals which the owner managed to find from the
>> > internet were installed perfectly, the paint color match (Melteni
>> > orange)
>> > was perfect and when the paint was damaged on a flight to Europe the
>> > paint
>> > showed remarkable resiliency in my opinion.
>>
>> > So I give D & D a thumbs up.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Joe Bell in California. Paints all the Richard Sachs and many other
> customs. I think he is into the vintage/lugged scene, no?
Jerry, there's no doubt that CyclArt and Joe Bell do absolutely flawless
work. They also have long lead times and are very expensive. D & D is faster
and like I said, the work they did on my friends Eddy Merckx was very nice.
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Date: 14 Jul 2007 01:42:52
From: hizark21@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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I recommend Cycle Art. They have original decals. My only complaint is
that they are expensive. I usually paint my own frames to save costs.
On Jul 13, 2:42 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Ed Sullivan" <reallybigs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1184360078.235828.274440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jul 13, 4:35 pm, "chrismhaney" <chrismha...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> I have a mid 80's Eddy Merck I would like to have repainted to original
> >> condition.
> >> Any suggestions as to who might do this?
>
> >> Chris
>
> > Dear Chris,
>
> >http://www.cyclart.com/newindex.html
>
> A friend of mine just had exactly the same bike repainted at D & D Cycles
> (510) 278-2976 in San Leandro. Although in the past I've not had very good
> service from them I understand that it is now under new management and the
> paint job and Merckx decals which the owner managed to find from the
> internet were installed perfectly, the paint color match (Melteni orange)
> was perfect and when the paint was damaged on a flight to Europe the paint
> showed remarkable resiliency in my opinion.
>
> So I give D & D a thumbs up.
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 13:54:38
From: Ed Sullivan
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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On Jul 13, 4:35 pm, "chrismhaney" <chrismha...@bellsouth.net > wrote:
> I have a mid 80's Eddy Merck I would like to have repainted to original
> condition.
> Any suggestions as to who might do this?
>
> Chris
Dear Chris,
http://www.cyclart.com/newindex.html
Cheers,
Ed
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 21:42:26
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: Who can Paint a Vintage Frame
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"Ed Sullivan" <reallybigshow@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1184360078.235828.274440@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 13, 4:35 pm, "chrismhaney" <chrismha...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> I have a mid 80's Eddy Merck I would like to have repainted to original
>> condition.
>> Any suggestions as to who might do this?
>>
>> Chris
>
> Dear Chris,
>
> http://www.cyclart.com/newindex.html
A friend of mine just had exactly the same bike repainted at D & D Cycles
(510) 278-2976 in San Leandro. Although in the past I've not had very good
service from them I understand that it is now under new management and the
paint job and Merckx decals which the owner managed to find from the
internet were installed perfectly, the paint color match (Melteni orange)
was perfect and when the paint was damaged on a flight to Europe the paint
showed remarkable resiliency in my opinion.
So I give D & D a thumbs up.
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