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Date: 23 Jul 2007 18:00:22
From: RonSonic
Subject: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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"Pat McQuaid, the president of the U.C.I., told the Reuters news agency on
Monday that he would rather that Rasmussen not win the Tour de France. “From an
image point of view, it would be better if it was not Rasmussen but one of the
youngest riders winning the Tour,” McQuaid said."
From an image point of view it'd be better if Paddy just shut the fuck up.
Either remove these idiots or take the sport away from them. Now.
Ron
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 01:01:02
From:
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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On Jul 25, 1:38 am, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
However,
> the UCI's approach to cycling's image problems
> has generally not been a well thought out plan.
I invented that phrase.
Robert
exploiter of the Weiner Chart
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 10:16:05
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> However, the UCI's approach to cycling's image problems
>> has generally not been a well thought out plan.
rechungREMOVETHIS wrote:
> I invented that phrase.
You should have followed the US corporate lead and patented it. You can
patent just about anything through the US patent office. I'm considering
patenting podium girl breasts so I can charge all you wankers viewing fees.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 16:38:44
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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On Jul 24, 8:33 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:28:19 -0000, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org"
>
> >Other people have couriered this or that pill (didn't Emma
> >whatshername
> >allegedly bring LANCE something?) but putting someone in the
> >position of carrying blood substitute bags on an international flight
> >would
> >be a new level of brazenness, into Willy Voet or Edita Rumsas
> >territory.
>
> I'm sure the image of the sport would be improved by having winners of whom no
> ill is said. We're fresh out of those. So let's let it be decided on the road.
My discomfort with the character shown in
the Hemopure-mule story expresses my rooting
preferences as a fan, not as a prescriptive
call for action. McQuaid, as the leader of
the sport, nominally has an obligation to be
less biased than a fan. On the other hand,
he's right, it _is_ an image problem. However,
the UCI's approach to cycling's image problems
has generally not been a well thought out plan.
Ben
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 23:25:09
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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On Jul 24, 7:54 am, datakoll <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I have a 544 Volvo.
> Volvo won stock touring at Lemans 1-2, only problem was one car
> cracked an exhaust header.
> Volvo did not win stock touring at Lemans: Peugot won.
> The Peugot's aluminum body wasn't stock but what the hey right?
WELL, RON YOU GOT YOUR WISH
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 07:09:54
From:
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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On Jul 23, 9:28 pm, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
>
> Other people have couriered this or that pill (didn't Emma
> whatshername
> allegedly bring LANCE something?) but putting someone in the
> position of carrying blood substitute bags on an international flight
> would
> be a new level of brazenness, into Willy Voet or Edita Rumsas
> territory.
E-caps work - are they illegal? If someone "couriered" e-caps across
the Atlantic would you treat it as if they were drug runners?
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 07:07:19
From:
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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On Jul 23, 9:13 pm, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com >
wrote:
> On 07/23/2007 09:05 PM, in article
> 1185246346.467736.240...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
>
> "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote:
> > BTW, I am reconciled somewhat to the doping stories, but
> > I agree with Steven Sheffield, the story about handing
> > some random friend/sucker a box of "shoes" filled with
> > Hemopure to take through customs bothers me. Assuming
> > the story's for real, but it seems unlikely to be made up.
>
> Interesting thing ... I just finished reading David Walsh's newest book,
> "From Lance to Landis: Inside the American Doping Controversy at the Tour de
> France". (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/034549962X/veluninc/)
>
> In the Author's Note (after the Epilogue):
>
> "Four years ago, I traveled to Milan to meet a young American who had
> recently moved from Colorado to Italy. He told a story about a friend of
> his, a European-born professional cyclist, who had asked this young man to
> bring to Italy a pair of favorite cycling shoes he had unintentionally left
> in the United States. The shoes were dropped off at the young man's house
> in Boulder--a friend of the owner of the shoes just left the package at this
> young man's door. As it turned out, the traveler didn't have much spare
> room, but he figured he could squeeze in the shoes if he took them out of
> the package and packed the two shoes separately.
>
> Inside the package were 8 cartons of bovine hemoglobin."
>
> Fromhttp://velonews.com/tour2007/news/articles/12851.0.html
>
> "A former amateur mountain-bike racer alleged Thursday that Tour de France
> yellow-jersey holder Michael Rasmussen (Rabobank) attempted to trick him
> into carrying illegal doping products to Europe in 2002.
>
> Whitney Richards, 31, a one-time Colorado-based cross-country racer, told
> VeloNews that in March of 2002, Rasmussen asked him to transport a box
> containing cycling shoes. But the shoebox, according to Richards, actually
> contained bags of an American-made human blood substitute. None of the
> information Richards provided VeloNews involves allegations of current
> doping."
>
> So ... knowing that there would have to be some lead time for Walsh's book;
> AND that there's no way they could have known that Rasmussen would be
> leading the Tour at this point, I'm thinking that the story is true ... At
> the very least, Whitney Richard has been telling it long enough to give it
> some sense of credibility, since he told it to Walsh in 2002/2003.
You are aware that Hemoglobin Based Oxygen Carriers (HBOCs) are
detectable in quantities far below those with therapeutic values?
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 14:52:08
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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cyclintom@gmail.com wrote:
> You are aware that Hemoglobin Based Oxygen Carriers (HBOCs) are
> detectable in quantities far below those with therapeutic values?
>
It wasn't tested for in 2002.
Dan
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 11:31:08
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:52:08 GMT, Dan Connelly
<d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > wrote:
>cyclintom@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> You are aware that Hemoglobin Based Oxygen Carriers (HBOCs) are
>> detectable in quantities far below those with therapeutic values?
>>
>
>It wasn't tested for in 2002.
Doesn't need to be. A 12 year old with a microscope would know there was
something terribly wrong with the blood sample.
Ron
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 11:54:14
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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I have a 544 Volvo.
Volvo won stock touring at Lemans 1-2, only problem was one car
cracked an exhaust header.
Volvo did not win stock touring at Lemans: Peugot won.
The Peugot's aluminum body wasn't stock but what the hey right?
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 04:28:19
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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On Jul 23, 9:13 pm, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com >
wrote:
> Fromhttp://velonews.com/tour2007/news/articles/12851.0.html
>
> "A former amateur mountain-bike racer alleged Thursday that Tour de France
> yellow-jersey holder Michael Rasmussen (Rabobank) attempted to trick him
> into carrying illegal doping products to Europe in 2002.
>
> Whitney Richards, 31, a one-time Colorado-based cross-country racer, told
> VeloNews that in March of 2002, Rasmussen asked him to transport a box
> containing cycling shoes. But the shoebox, according to Richards, actually
> contained bags of an American-made human blood substitute. None of the
> information Richards provided VeloNews involves allegations of current
> doping."
>
> So ... knowing that there would have to be some lead time for Walsh's book;
> AND that there's no way they could have known that Rasmussen would be
> leading the Tour at this point, I'm thinking that the story is true ... At
> the very least, Whitney Richard has been telling it long enough to give it
> some sense of credibility, since he told it to Walsh in 2002/2003.
The Velonews article says that he told it to Velonews "that same year"
(2002). They didn't print it because Richards didn't want to be
identified,
but I think we can rely on Velonews's word that he's been telling it
for
some time. Of course it would have been somewhat newsworthy then
since Rasmussen was already MTB world champ, but obviously
Richards wasn't telling it to get attention. At worst one would have
to
assume that he was trying to get back at Rasmussen for some
reason, and that seems unlikely given his insistence then on not
naming
Rasmussen, and his friend who corroborates the story.
Other people have couriered this or that pill (didn't Emma
whatshername
allegedly bring LANCE something?) but putting someone in the
position of carrying blood substitute bags on an international flight
would
be a new level of brazenness, into Willy Voet or Edita Rumsas
territory.
Ben
These shoes transmit power to the pedals more effectively
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 11:33:36
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 04:28:19 -0000, "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org"
<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:
>On Jul 23, 9:13 pm, "Steven L. Sheffield" <stev...@veloworks.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Fromhttp://velonews.com/tour2007/news/articles/12851.0.html
>>
>> "A former amateur mountain-bike racer alleged Thursday that Tour de France
>> yellow-jersey holder Michael Rasmussen (Rabobank) attempted to trick him
>> into carrying illegal doping products to Europe in 2002.
>>
>> Whitney Richards, 31, a one-time Colorado-based cross-country racer, told
>> VeloNews that in March of 2002, Rasmussen asked him to transport a box
>> containing cycling shoes. But the shoebox, according to Richards, actually
>> contained bags of an American-made human blood substitute. None of the
>> information Richards provided VeloNews involves allegations of current
>> doping."
>>
>> So ... knowing that there would have to be some lead time for Walsh's book;
>> AND that there's no way they could have known that Rasmussen would be
>> leading the Tour at this point, I'm thinking that the story is true ... At
>> the very least, Whitney Richard has been telling it long enough to give it
>> some sense of credibility, since he told it to Walsh in 2002/2003.
>
>The Velonews article says that he told it to Velonews "that same year"
>(2002). They didn't print it because Richards didn't want to be
>identified,
>but I think we can rely on Velonews's word that he's been telling it
>for
>some time. Of course it would have been somewhat newsworthy then
>since Rasmussen was already MTB world champ, but obviously
>Richards wasn't telling it to get attention. At worst one would have
>to
>assume that he was trying to get back at Rasmussen for some
>reason, and that seems unlikely given his insistence then on not
>naming
>Rasmussen, and his friend who corroborates the story.
>
>Other people have couriered this or that pill (didn't Emma
>whatshername
>allegedly bring LANCE something?) but putting someone in the
>position of carrying blood substitute bags on an international flight
>would
>be a new level of brazenness, into Willy Voet or Edita Rumsas
>territory.
>
>Ben
>These shoes transmit power to the pedals more effectively
I'm sure the image of the sport would be improved by having winners of whom no
ill is said. We're fresh out of those. So let's let it be decided on the road.
Ron
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 10:08:14
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> These shoes transmit power to the pedals more effectively
Must be the shoes Moreau was going back to change into when Astana
attacked.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 20:05:46
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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On Jul 23, 3:00 pm, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> "Pat McQuaid, the president of the U.C.I., told the Reuters news agency on
> Monday that he would rather that Rasmussen not win the Tour de France. "From an
> image point of view, it would be better if it was not Rasmussen but one of the
> youngest riders winning the Tour," McQuaid said."
>
> From an image point of view it'd be better if Paddy just shut the fuck up.
>
> Either remove these idiots or take the sport away from them. Now.
Forget the dope thing. Pat's clearly noticed that Mikey
Rasmussen is ... fucking ugly!! From an image point of
view, it would be better if it was one of the younger
riders winning the Tour. Especially a cute one. Hell,
if it was Tyler Farrar, maybe heather would even post to
rbr.
BTW, I am reconciled somewhat to the doping stories, but
I agree with Steven Sheffield, the story about handing
some random friend/sucker a box of "shoes" filled with
Hemopure to take through customs bothers me. Assuming
the story's for real, but it seems unlikely to be made up.
Ben
I have a closet full of "cycling shoes"
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 06:07:14
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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In article
<1185246346.467736.240120@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >
,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Jul 23, 3:00 pm, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> > "Pat McQuaid, the president of the U.C.I., told the Reuters news agency on
> > Monday that he would rather that Rasmussen not win the Tour de France. "From an
> > image point of view, it would be better if it was not Rasmussen but one of the
> > youngest riders winning the Tour," McQuaid said."
> >
> > From an image point of view it'd be better if Paddy just shut the fuck up.
> >
> > Either remove these idiots or take the sport away from them. Now.
>
> Forget the dope thing. Pat's clearly noticed that Mikey
> Rasmussen is ... fucking ugly!! From an image point of
> view, it would be better if it was one of the younger
> riders winning the Tour. Especially a cute one. Hell,
> if it was Tyler Farrar, maybe heather would even post to
> rbr.
>
>
> BTW, I am reconciled somewhat to the doping stories, but
> I agree with Steven Sheffield, the story about handing
> some random friend/sucker a box of "shoes" filled with
> Hemopure to take through customs bothers me. Assuming
> the story's for real, but it seems unlikely to be made up.
>
> Ben
> I have a closet full of "cycling shoes"
I keep mine in a suitcase.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 22:13:41
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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On 07/23/2007 09:05 PM, in article
1185246346.467736.240120@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:
> BTW, I am reconciled somewhat to the doping stories, but
> I agree with Steven Sheffield, the story about handing
> some random friend/sucker a box of "shoes" filled with
> Hemopure to take through customs bothers me. Assuming
> the story's for real, but it seems unlikely to be made up.
Interesting thing ... I just finished reading David Walsh's newest book,
"From Lance to Landis: Inside the American Doping Controversy at the Tour de
France". (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/034549962X/veluninc/)
In the Author's Note (after the Epilogue):
"Four years ago, I traveled to Milan to meet a young American who had
recently moved from Colorado to Italy. He told a story about a friend of
his, a European-born professional cyclist, who had asked this young man to
bring to Italy a pair of favorite cycling shoes he had unintentionally left
in the United States. The shoes were dropped off at the young man's house
in Boulder--a friend of the owner of the shoes just left the package at this
young man's door. As it turned out, the traveler didn't have much spare
room, but he figured he could squeeze in the shoes if he took them out of
the package and packed the two shoes separately.
Inside the package were 8 cartons of bovine hemoglobin."
From http://velonews.com/tour2007/news/articles/12851.0.html
"A former amateur mountain-bike racer alleged Thursday that Tour de France
yellow-jersey holder Michael Rasmussen (Rabobank) attempted to trick him
into carrying illegal doping products to Europe in 2002.
Whitney Richards, 31, a one-time Colorado-based cross-country racer, told
VeloNews that in March of 2002, Rasmussen asked him to transport a box
containing cycling shoes. But the shoebox, according to Richards, actually
contained bags of an American-made human blood substitute. None of the
information Richards provided VeloNews involves allegations of current
doping."
So ... knowing that there would have to be some lead time for Walsh's book;
AND that there's no way they could have known that Rasmussen would be
leading the Tour at this point, I'm thinking that the story is true ... At
the very least, Whitney Richard has been telling it long enough to give it
some sense of credibility, since he told it to Walsh in 2002/2003.
> Ben
> I have a closet full of "cycling shoes"
>
--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
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ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 04:31:12
From: Jim Flom
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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"Steven L. Sheffield" <stevens@veloworks.com > wrote...
>
> Interesting thing ... I just finished reading David Walsh's newest book,
> "From Lance to Landis: Inside the American Doping Controversy at the Tour
> de
> France". (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/034549962X/veluninc/)
Talk about a mountain of circumstantial evidence.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 19:35:56
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Would someone stuff something in this gaping hole.
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In article <4s8aa3ln8qcf11smiph9or2is8eu6s2n0f@4ax.com >,
RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> "Pat McQuaid, the president of the U.C.I., told the Reuters news agency on
> Monday that he would rather that Rasmussen not win the Tour de France. “From
> an image point of view, it would be better if it was not Rasmussen but one of
> the youngest riders winning the Tour,” McQuaid said."
>
> From an image point of view it'd be better if Paddy just shut the fuck up.
>
> Either remove these idiots or take the sport away from them. Now.
That's a ridiculous thing for him to say. But on the bright side, if Pound had
said it, the last thing he'd be saying would be, "... and I'll do whatever it takes
to see that he doesn't win."
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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