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Date: 18 Dec 2006 20:33:59
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Zabriskie did it?

So does anyone know if Zabriskie set the previously unclaimed US Hour
Record? :)

How far?

Dan

Date: 23 Dec 2006 14:23:25
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

Carl Sundquist wrote:
> "Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > Bob Schwartz wrote:
> >
> >> Well, that pretty much settles it. Casebeer's record wouldn't stand
> >> under the new rules.
> >>
> >> http://www.yellowjersey.org/casebeer.html
> >
> > Because of the helmet?
>
> That and the cowhorn handlebars. If you are picking nits, the front QR, and
> possibly the separate junctions of the seat/top tubes and seat tube/seat
> stays too (I'm not 100% sure about that last one).

Even with the track stem, those handlebars don't seem like
they'd let him get any lower than a set of regular drop bars.
They obviously don't meet the letter of the rules, but they
aren't a pair of aero extensions or the Superman position
either. I can't see the helmet well enough in that picture
to know what the issue is (I can barely see the QR and
never would have noticed it, guess it takes an actual
trackie to be attentive to that kind of detail).

Ben

Date: 23 Dec 2006 17:14:22
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote in message
news:1166912605.349758.172100@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>> >>
>> >> http://www.yellowjersey.org/casebeer.html
>> >
>
> Even with the track stem, those handlebars don't seem like
> they'd let him get any lower than a set of regular drop bars.
> They obviously don't meet the letter of the rules, but they
> aren't a pair of aero extensions or the Superman position
> either. I can't see the helmet well enough in that picture
> to know what the issue is (I can barely see the QR and
> never would have noticed it, guess it takes an actual
> trackie to be attentive to that kind of detail).
>

I agree about the position the bullhorns put him in. The position was as
much a placebo as anything else. Track stems were available in two different
drop angles: 58 or 65 degrees. From the look of the picture, it appears that
he was using the shallower (58 degree) stem. The first thing that hit me
upon seeing the picture is that the bars look like regular drop bars that
were flipped over and the drops cut off. True bullhorn bars didn't have big
radius curves, they had tight bends and flats for the hands (and brake
levers).

The helmet looks like the old Phase 3 helmet, popular in the pre-ANSI/Snell
era. The best pic I can come up with is this:
http://dusk2.geo.orst.edu/images/twigg.gif

Amusingly, the QR stood out to me like a red flag.

Date: 23 Dec 2006 16:14:02
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

In article <rLijh.36305$gj2.14537@newsfe23.lga >, "Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net>
wrote:

> <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org> wrote in message
> news:1166912605.349758.172100@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.yellowjersey.org/casebeer.html
> >> >
> >
> > Even with the track stem, those handlebars don't seem like
> > they'd let him get any lower than a set of regular drop bars.
> > They obviously don't meet the letter of the rules, but they
> > aren't a pair of aero extensions or the Superman position
> > either. I can't see the helmet well enough in that picture
> > to know what the issue is (I can barely see the QR and
> > never would have noticed it, guess it takes an actual
> > trackie to be attentive to that kind of detail).
> >
>
> I agree about the position the bullhorns put him in. The position was as
> much a placebo as anything else. Track stems were available in two different
> drop angles: 58 or 65 degrees. From the look of the picture, it appears that
> he was using the shallower (58 degree) stem. The first thing that hit me
> upon seeing the picture is that the bars look like regular drop bars that
> were flipped over and the drops cut off. True bullhorn bars didn't have big
> radius curves, they had tight bends and flats for the hands (and brake
> levers).

That was exactly what I thought when I looked at the bars. the radii are much
bigger than the bullhorn bars I was used to seeing.

> The helmet looks like the old Phase 3 helmet, popular in the pre-ANSI/Snell
> era. The best pic I can come up with is this:
> http://dusk2.geo.orst.edu/images/twigg.gif
>
> Amusingly, the QR stood out to me like a red flag.

Why would they care about a QR on the front of a bike used in an hour attempt?
It's the only bike onthe track.

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Date: 23 Dec 2006 20:57:23
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

Howard Kveck wrote:
> Carl Sundquist wrote:

>> Amusingly, the QR stood out to me like a red flag.
>
> Why would they care about a QR on the front of a bike used in an hour attempt?
> It's the only bike onthe track.

It's a clear violation of the Velodrome Fashion Police rules.
Sort of like wearing a jersey with pockets.

Bob Schwartz

Date: 23 Dec 2006 05:28:57
From: Andy Coggan
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

Bob Schwartz wrote:

> Well, that pretty much settles it. Casebeer's record wouldn't stand
> under the new rules.
>
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/casebeer.html

Because of the helmet?

Andy Coggan

Date: 23 Dec 2006 08:34:00
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

"Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:1166880537.706360.141910@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Well, that pretty much settles it. Casebeer's record wouldn't stand
>> under the new rules.
>>
>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/casebeer.html
>
> Because of the helmet?
>

That and the cowhorn handlebars. If you are picking nits, the front QR, and
possibly the separate junctions of the seat/top tubes and seat tube/seat
stays too (I'm not 100% sure about that last one).

Date: 23 Dec 2006 23:15:57
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

Carl Sundquist wrote:
> "Andy Coggan" <acoggan@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:1166880537.706360.141910@h40g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Bob Schwartz wrote:
>>
>>> Well, that pretty much settles it. Casebeer's record wouldn't stand
>>> under the new rules.
>>>
>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/casebeer.html
>> Because of the helmet?
>>
>
> That and the cowhorn handlebars. If you are picking nits, the front QR, and
> possibly the separate junctions of the seat/top tubes and seat tube/seat
> stays too (I'm not 100% sure about that last one).

http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Road/Equipment/Track-hour%20record-e.pdf

That references http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/1gene-E.pdf

Certainly the helmet and the handlebars. Possibly the rims although
it is hard to tell from the picture. A 'triangular frame' is
specified and the sections are all triangular so I don't think that
would be an issue. There is nothing about the quick release.

Bob Schwartz

Date: 24 Dec 2006 09:23:20
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

"Bob Schwartz" <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:NMijh.35007$wc5.11986@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...

>> That and the cowhorn handlebars. If you are picking nits, the front QR,
>> and possibly the separate junctions of the seat/top tubes and seat
>> tube/seat stays too (I'm not 100% sure about that last one).
>
> http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Road/Equipment/Track-hour%20record-e.pdf
>
> That references http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/1gene-E.pdf
>
> Certainly the helmet and the handlebars. Possibly the rims although
> it is hard to tell from the picture. A 'triangular frame' is
> specified and the sections are all triangular so I don't think that
> would be an issue. There is nothing about the quick release.

There's nothing about using a fixed or single gear either, which leads me to
believe that there are additional rules elsewhere.

The issue is addressed in USCF rule 1J3.
(a) For track races, only a bicycle with a single cog fixed wheel and
without derailleurs, brakes or quick releases may be used; However, in
pursuit and time trial events that are not championships or selection
events, brakes, freewheels, quick releases, and derailleurs may be installed
on the bicycle so long as only one gear is functional.

Without finding a rule stating otherwise, I'm of the opinion that at the UCI
level nutted axles would be the standard.

Date: 21 Dec 2006 17:32:00
From: brian_j_roth@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

Date: 22 Dec 2006 19:17:41
From: Les Earnest
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

brian_j_roth@yahoo.com wrote:
> Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
>>"Bob Schwartz" <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:qNfih.15082$Gr2.12381@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>>
>>>A couple of thoughts.
>>>
>>>- Age graded World Records are total horseshit.
>>>
>>>- The US Hour Record is recognized. It goes to whomever owned
>>>it before aero stuff came on the scene. In 1984 a guy that
>>>no one had ever heard of (Paul Liebenrood) rode double disks
>>>at the Major Taylor and claimed the record. Maybe someone
>>>like Coggan or Sundquist can remember whose record he broke.
>>>For some reason Rick Ball sticks with me. I don't know why.
>>>But I think it dated from the late 70s.
>>>
>>
>>Liebenrood? Good God, I haven't heard that name in about 20 years.
>>Cincinnati guy. I don't think he rode double disks though because I don't
>>recall hearing a buzz about it. Although I recall he had some help from Mike
>>Melton (Raleigh framebuilder for the national team), I don't think it
>>included disks. Even Hegg, Nitz, and the rest of the '84 Oly team didn't
>>ride disks at nationals that year (post oly games).
>>
>>I remember the event, but I don't recall whose record he broke. I'll bet Ken
>>B. Hart can remember.
>
>
> Didn't Steve Tilford re-establish the record circa 82 or 83? I
> remember something of the sort, using those Houdale (sp) Power Cranks
> or some such.....
>

Here are hour records that I found in old rule books:

41.509 km. Richard Ball, Brown Deer, WI, 1971
44.823 km. Dan Casebeer, Indianapolis, In, 9/16/83 *
48.405 km. John Frey, Colorado Springs, CO, 10/21/86
49.947 km. John Frey, Colorado Springs, CO, 10/9/91
50.191 km. Colby Pierce, Colorado Springs, CO, 9/30/95
51.505 km. Norm Alvis, Colorado Springs, CO, 9/26/97

* My personal notes suggest that Steve Tilford broke the hour record
early in 1983 and Casebeer then superseded it. Also, I can't find my
1985 Rule Book, unfortunately, so I can't verify that Paul Liebenrood
broke the hour record in 1984.

According to the USA Cycling web site, Alvis's 1997 record still stands
-- see http://www.usacycling.org/forms/records.pdf.

-Les Earnest

Date: 23 Dec 2006 05:13:50
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

Les Earnest wrote:
> Here are hour records that I found in old rule books:
>
> 41.509 km. Richard Ball, Brown Deer, WI, 1971
> 44.823 km. Dan Casebeer, Indianapolis, In, 9/16/83 *
> 48.405 km. John Frey, Colorado Springs, CO, 10/21/86
> 49.947 km. John Frey, Colorado Springs, CO, 10/9/91
> 50.191 km. Colby Pierce, Colorado Springs, CO, 9/30/95
> 51.505 km. Norm Alvis, Colorado Springs, CO, 9/26/97
>
> * My personal notes suggest that Steve Tilford broke the hour record
> early in 1983 and Casebeer then superseded it. Also, I can't find my
> 1985 Rule Book, unfortunately, so I can't verify that Paul Liebenrood
> broke the hour record in 1984.

Well, that pretty much settles it. Casebeer's record wouldn't stand
under the new rules.

http://www.yellowjersey.org/casebeer.html

And while I couldn't find any reference to Tilford's ride it seems
unlikely that he would have done it � la Merckx.

So following that assumption that means the US "Athlete's Hour"
record would revert back to Rick Ball's 1971 ride.

For people that are not impressed by the his result I've got to
mention that the Brown Deer track was not an impressive facility.
It is listed as being 400m, 23 degree banking. I remember visiting
there in the early 1980s and noting the amount of grass growing
in the cracks in the pavement. It was not an active track at the
time, and had not been for years.

I have very little on Rick Ball. He rode the TTT for the US in
the 1972 Olympics, finishing 15th with John Howard, Ron Skarin,
and Wayne Stetina. He was from Wisconsin, and if he did his
ride in Brown Deer I am guessing he was from Milwaukee or
somewhere near there.

He finished 6th in the 1972 US Road Championships, won by John
Howard. Howard won again in 1973 followed by three Wisconsin
riders, Bob Schneider, Ball, and Greg Meeker. Then he disappears
from National Championship results.

Bob Schwartz

Date: 23 Dec 2006 11:27:25
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

Bob Schwartz wrote:
> Les Earnest wrote:
>> Here are hour records that I found in old rule books:
>>
>> 41.509 km. Richard Ball, Brown Deer, WI, 1971

> I have very little on Rick Ball. He rode the TTT for the US in
> the 1972 Olympics, finishing 15th with John Howard, Ron Skarin,
> and Wayne Stetina. He was from Wisconsin, and if he did his
> ride in Brown Deer I am guessing he was from Milwaukee or
> somewhere near there.
>
> He finished 6th in the 1972 US Road Championships, won by John
> Howard. Howard won again in 1973 followed by three Wisconsin
> riders, Bob Schneider, Ball, and Greg Meeker. Then he disappears
> from National Championship results.
>
> Bob Schwartz

Well, there's....
http://house.michigan.gov/rep.asp?DIST=085

Date: 21 Dec 2006 12:09:43
From: Andy Coggan
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

Carl Sundquist wrote:
> "Bob Schwartz" <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:qNfih.15082$Gr2.12381@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
> >A couple of thoughts.
> >
> > - Age graded World Records are total horseshit.
> >
> > - The US Hour Record is recognized. It goes to whomever owned
> > it before aero stuff came on the scene. In 1984 a guy that
> > no one had ever heard of (Paul Liebenrood) rode double disks
> > at the Major Taylor and claimed the record. Maybe someone
> > like Coggan or Sundquist can remember whose record he broke.
> > For some reason Rick Ball sticks with me. I don't know why.
> > But I think it dated from the late 70s.
> >
>
> Liebenrood? Good God, I haven't heard that name in about 20 years.
> Cincinnati guy. I don't think he rode double disks though because I don't
> recall hearing a buzz about it. Although I recall he had some help from Mike
> Melton (Raleigh framebuilder for the national team), I don't think it
> included disks. Even Hegg, Nitz, and the rest of the '84 Oly team didn't
> ride disks at nationals that year (post oly games).
>
> I remember the event, but I don't recall whose record he broke. I'll bet Ken
> B. Hart can remember.

I also don't remember whose record he broke, but IIRC Liebenrood did
use disk(s). In fact, I want to say that they were hand-me-downs from
Moser himself.

Speaking of trivia: my first encounter with Liebenrood is when he
trounced me in the morning stage of a rather unusual one day stage race
in Kentucky. It was a 21-22 mi out-and-back TT alongside a large creek
that emptied into a river, with the turn around being right before the
ferry crossing. The afternoon stage was a ~2 mi hillclimb that started
from the ferry landing on the other side, in which I again finished
2nd, but this time to Mike Zoeller (ring another bell, Carl?).
Fortunately, though, I put enough time into Liebenrood and didn't give
up too much time to Mike, so came out on top overall. Anyway,
interesting race format!

Andy Coggan

Date: 19 Dec 2006 22:44:03
From:
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

Matt C wrote:
> The record requires round tube frame.
>
> Zabriskie required to ride Cervelo (contract).
>
> Cervelo does not make round tube frames.
>

he should have got on an rode it rregardless- if he beat the record or
even made a very good showing the accomplishment will speak for itself
( better than honda f1 trying to break 400kph on the salt flats)

Date: 18 Dec 2006 18:16:47
From: Fred Pan
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

It sounds like he never rode...

Fred Pan

"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o.c_o_m > wrote in message
news:XWChh.34710$wP1.7078@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> So does anyone know if Zabriskie set the previously unclaimed US Hour
> Record? :)
>
> How far?
>
> Dan

Date: 19 Dec 2006 20:41:10
From: monkey
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

On 2006-12-18 15:16:47 -0800, "Fred Pan" <fpan@hotmail.com > said:

> It sounds like he never rode...
>
> Fred Pan
>
>
> "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o.c_o_m> wrote in message
> news:XWChh.34710$wP1.7078@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>> So does anyone know if Zabriskie set the previously unclaimed US Hour
>> Record? :)
>>
>> How far?
>>
>> Dan

Date: 20 Dec 2006 06:23:46
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

monkey <monkey@460.com > writes:

> On 2006-12-18 15:16:47 -0800, "Fred Pan" <fpan@hotmail.com> said:
>
> > It sounds like he never rode...
> > Fred Pan
> > "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o.c_o_m> wrote in message
> > news:XWChh.34710$wP1.7078@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> >> So does anyone know if Zabriskie set the previously unclaimed US
> >> Hour Record? :)
> >> How far?
> >> Dan
>
>

Talk about Wanker of tha Decade.......

It was a miserable FUCK UP.

Spectators arrived at ADT at 9:00am for the 9:00am start of Zabriske's
Hour attempt. They found Dr. Kays on the track half way thru his Masters
World Hour Record attempt.

30 min later, he ended w/174 laps....7 laps short of the record.

During his event everyone was murmuring about wondering where was
David Z? Well, he was dressed in jeans and a tshirt sitting in the
front row of the stands next to Floyd Landis. Most of the 50 specators
wondered why he was not warming up as they expressed anticipation at
seeing him ride.

The second Dr. Kays was done, everyone applauded and half the audience
got up and left.

The rest of them stood around waiting for Zabriske to ride. After
waiting about 10 min they all watched him get up and amble across the
track to the apron to chat w/the other VIP's while the officials
packed up their gear, put away the starting gate and left the bldg.

Huh?

Turns out "Zabriske did not have the correct bike with him so the ride
was cancelled."

Anyway....While thzy were still mingling and confused, Floyd (who has
never ridden the track before) took a twirl around the cote d'azur on
the blue accelerator bike and nearly crashed when he tried to coast to
a stop at the starting gate....uh....the pedals and bike kept moving
as he momentarily lost his cool! Just as he began to recover, he ran
into the sponges that were still on the blue band and had to get up to
the black line....w/almost enough speed to stay on the track. All's
well that ends well?

With that the VIP's packed up and headed down to San Diego.

....def a bizzarre event. Half the people were expecting Zabriske and
the other half were not expecting Dr. Kays.

--
Best Regards
As so often before, liberty has been wounded in the house of its
friends. Liberty in the wild and freakish hands of fanatics has once
more, as frequently in the past, proved the effective helpmate of
autocracy and the twin-brother of tyranny: Otto Hermann Kahn - Speech
at the University of Wisconsin

Date: 20 Dec 2006 19:02:46
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

A couple of thoughts.

- Age graded World Records are total horseshit.

- The US Hour Record is recognized. It goes to whomever owned
it before aero stuff came on the scene. In 1984 a guy that
no one had ever heard of (Paul Liebenrood) rode double disks
at the Major Taylor and claimed the record. Maybe someone
like Coggan or Sundquist can remember whose record he broke.
For some reason Rick Ball sticks with me. I don't know why.
But I think it dated from the late 70s.

- Zabriskie announced the attempt:
http://www.homedepotcenter.com/pressreleases/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=387319&itype=4021&iCategoryID=0

I don't think he bailed for some lame ass reason like his
sponsor only makes bikes with round tubes because he certainly
knew that before the press release. It's not like this is
something that just popped up out of the blue.

If it *is* the reason then he's an even bigger douchebag.

Bob Schwartz

Date: 21 Dec 2006 08:42:07
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

"Bob Schwartz" <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:qNfih.15082$Gr2.12381@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net...
>A couple of thoughts.
>
> - Age graded World Records are total horseshit.
>
> - The US Hour Record is recognized. It goes to whomever owned
> it before aero stuff came on the scene. In 1984 a guy that
> no one had ever heard of (Paul Liebenrood) rode double disks
> at the Major Taylor and claimed the record. Maybe someone
> like Coggan or Sundquist can remember whose record he broke.
> For some reason Rick Ball sticks with me. I don't know why.
> But I think it dated from the late 70s.
>

Liebenrood? Good God, I haven't heard that name in about 20 years.
Cincinnati guy. I don't think he rode double disks though because I don't
recall hearing a buzz about it. Although I recall he had some help from Mike
Melton (Raleigh framebuilder for the national team), I don't think it
included disks. Even Hegg, Nitz, and the rest of the '84 Oly team didn't
ride disks at nationals that year (post oly games).

I remember the event, but I don't recall whose record he broke. I'll bet Ken
B. Hart can remember.

Date: 22 Dec 2006 13:25:28
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

Carl Sundquist wrote:
> I remember the event, but I don't recall whose record he broke. I'll bet Ken
> B. Hart can remember.

Liebenrood is still around but apparently does not have a
land line phone. With the holidays this may take a while.

If anyone knows Ken Nowakowski ask him to check his email.

And if anyone at Inside Communications is lurking, there was
an article in VeloNews on Liebenrood's ride in October 1984.
I'll bet information on the old record would be there also.

Bob Schwartz

Date: 21 Dec 2006 08:24:34
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

In article <qNfih.15082$Gr2.12381@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net >,
Bob Schwartz <bob.schwartz@REMOVEsbcglobal.net > wrote:

> A couple of thoughts.
>
> - Age graded World Records are total horseshit.

Well, can we agree that they have similar legitimacy to age-group
championships?

Not in dumbass mode or anything, what's wrong with setting the "best
hour by age >44" (or whatever)? It's not going to be of great interest
to people other than Fattie Masters with scary VO2s and exercise
physiologists interested in elite performance declines with age, but it
hardly costs anyone anything.

> - The US Hour Record is recognized. It goes to whomever owned
> it before aero stuff came on the scene. In 1984 a guy that
> no one had ever heard of (Paul Liebenrood) rode double disks
> at the Major Taylor and claimed the record. Maybe someone
> like Coggan or Sundquist can remember whose record he broke.
> For some reason Rick Ball sticks with me. I don't know why.
> But I think it dated from the late 70s.

Works for me.

> - Zabriskie announced the attempt:
> http://www.homedepotcenter.com/pressreleases/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=387319&itype=4021&iCategoryID=0
>
> I don't think he bailed for some lame ass reason like his
> sponsor only makes bikes with round tubes because he certainly
> knew that before the press release. It's not like this is
> something that just popped up out of the blue.
>
> If it *is* the reason then he's an even bigger douchebag.
>
> Bob Schwartz

The mind boggles. If I had to guess, it's probably either some oddball
technical glitch (injury, bike prep, paperwork wasn't in...) or he just
flaked out.

Z. is flaky, but I doubt he's that flaky.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Date: 20 Dec 2006 09:01:40
From: Mark Fennell
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

Davey Crockett wrote:
>
> Talk about Wanker of tha Decade.......
>
<snip >

Some coverage and pics of the goings-on (or lack thereof) by Neil at Road
magazine here: http://neilroad.blogspot.com/

One post on the ADT "event" and one on the fundraiser in SD. Lots of pics of
the protagonists.

k
http://cofanelli.blogspot.com

Date: 19 Dec 2006 21:42:41
From: Matt C
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

The record requires round tube frame.

Zabriskie required to ride Cervelo (contract).

Cervelo does not make round tube frames.

"Davey Crockett" <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com > wrote in message
news:87odpzi1i5.fsf@azurservers.com...
> monkey <monkey@460.com> writes:
>
>> On 2006-12-18 15:16:47 -0800, "Fred Pan" <fpan@hotmail.com> said:
>>
>> > It sounds like he never rode...
>> > Fred Pan
>> > "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o.c_o_m> wrote in message
>> > news:XWChh.34710$wP1.7078@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>> >> So does anyone know if Zabriskie set the previously unclaimed US
>> >> Hour Record? :)
>> >> How far?
>> >> Dan
>>
>>
>
>
> Talk about Wanker of tha Decade.......
>
> It was a miserable FUCK UP.
>
> Spectators arrived at ADT at 9:00am for the 9:00am start of Zabriske's
> Hour attempt. They found Dr. Kays on the track half way thru his Masters
> World Hour Record attempt.
>
> 30 min later, he ended w/174 laps....7 laps short of the record.
>
> During his event everyone was murmuring about wondering where was
> David Z? Well, he was dressed in jeans and a tshirt sitting in the
> front row of the stands next to Floyd Landis. Most of the 50 specators
> wondered why he was not warming up as they expressed anticipation at
> seeing him ride.
>
> The second Dr. Kays was done, everyone applauded and half the audience
> got up and left.
>
> The rest of them stood around waiting for Zabriske to ride. After
> waiting about 10 min they all watched him get up and amble across the
> track to the apron to chat w/the other VIP's while the officials
> packed up their gear, put away the starting gate and left the bldg.
>
> Huh?
>
> Turns out "Zabriske did not have the correct bike with him so the ride
> was cancelled."
>
> Anyway....While thzy were still mingling and confused, Floyd (who has
> never ridden the track before) took a twirl around the cote d'azur on
> the blue accelerator bike and nearly crashed when he tried to coast to
> a stop at the starting gate....uh....the pedals and bike kept moving
> as he momentarily lost his cool! Just as he began to recover, he ran
> into the sponges that were still on the blue band and had to get up to
> the black line....w/almost enough speed to stay on the track. All's
> well that ends well?
>
> With that the VIP's packed up and headed down to San Diego.
>
> ....def a bizzarre event. Half the people were expecting Zabriske and
> the other half were not expecting Dr. Kays.
>
> --
> Best Regards
> As so often before, liberty has been wounded in the house of its
> friends. Liberty in the wild and freakish hands of fanatics has once
> more, as frequently in the past, proved the effective helpmate of
> autocracy and the twin-brother of tyranny: Otto Hermann Kahn - Speech
> at the University of Wisconsin

Date: 21 Dec 2006 21:35:42
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

Matt C wrote:
> The record requires round tube frame.
>
> Zabriskie required to ride Cervelo (contract).
>
> Cervelo does not make round tube frames.
>

Gee -- it took me maybe 3 minutes to look up the rules on the UCI site,
and I don't even ride track.

Dan

Date: 20 Dec 2006 08:15:09
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

"Matt C" <foad@aol.com > writes:

> The record requires round tube frame.
>
> Zabriskie required to ride Cervelo (contract).
>
> Cervelo does not make round tube frames.

OK, pardon me

They get ex aequo leading place in the Wanker of the Decade
competition

PS Bike tubes are round thinggys and made outta steel and any frame
mechanic knows you use a brazing torch, filler, flux, Nervex lugs and
Campag dropouts to turn the tubes into a frame

--
Best Regards
It's an outrage that the police are targetting criminals these days!

ion Barry's considering suing. Apparently, because his ancestors
were sold to Christian Americans by another tribe, and forced to have
decent shelter, culture, and provisions in exchange for some honest
work picking cotton, he gets to smoke crack with impunity.

Date: 20 Dec 2006 06:11:46
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: Zabriskie did it?

In article <634ih.28803$B42.13396@newsfe12.phx >,
"Matt C" <foad@aol.com > wrote:

[post de-TOFU'd]
>
> "Davey Crockett" <daveycrockett4Q@azurservers.com> wrote in message
> news:87odpzi1i5.fsf@azurservers.com...
> > monkey <monkey@460.com> writes:
> >
> >> On 2006-12-18 15:16:47 -0800, "Fred Pan" <fpan@hotmail.com> said:
> >>
> >> > It sounds like he never rode...
> >> > Fred Pan
> >> > "Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o.c_o_m> wrote in message
> >> > news:XWChh.34710$wP1.7078@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> >> >> So does anyone know if Zabriskie set the previously unclaimed US
> >> >> Hour Record? :)

> > Talk about Wanker of tha Decade.......
> >
> > It was a miserable FUCK UP.
> >
> >
> > Turns out "Zabriske did not have the correct bike with him so the ride
> > was cancelled."
> >
> > Anyway....While thzy were still mingling and confused, Floyd (who has
> > never ridden the track before)

Whoa. I'm nothing and nobody, and I've ridden track twice. How is it
Floyd has gotten as far as he has, and never ridden a track bike, even
as a lark?

Not even a road fixie?

> The record requires round tube frame.
>
> Zabriskie required to ride Cervelo (contract).
>
> Cervelo does not make round tube frames.

Okay, this is an utter red herring. Cervelo has been sponsoring some
CXer for a dog's age on a re-stickered bike, simply because they weren't
yet happy enough with their in-house CX bike project to let him ride it
(or maybe he wasn't happy; whatever).

Point being, they're not philosophically adverse to badge-engineering,
and it's the simplest bike in the world to "design."

If they weren't willing to weld up a few stock Easton tubes in the shop
for him, they could have gotten any one of a zillion custom frame makers
to assemble one, and then add a big "�" sticker.

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos