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Date: 22 Jan 2007 17:28:35
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: black is in for 2007
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Several teams, most notably Discovery, are making black prominent in
their 2007 jersey designs:
http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Peloton/teams.html
Discovery, Navigators, and Priority Health each have most of their
jersey fronts devoted to black, with AMD/US National and Health Net
using it relatively strongly.
My attempts to introduce black into a team I was with when living in
Texas was met with resistance, first for claims it would be too hot,
then for safety for riding at dusk. The safety factor is a good one,
but I wonder at the quantitative effect of dark jerseys in the heat.
Polar Bears, Jobst Brandt informed me of yesterday, have black skin.
Dan
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Date: 23 Jan 2007 07:41:05
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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In article <7v6th.12352$ji1.702@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net >,
Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > wrote:
> Several teams, most notably Discovery, are making black prominent in
> their 2007 jersey designs:
>
> http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Peloton/teams.html
>
> Discovery, Navigators, and Priority Health each have most of their
> jersey fronts devoted to black, with AMD/US National and Health Net
> using it relatively strongly.
Those Disco jerseys look okay, but I'm a bit old-school. I like the
almost retro style of the Quick-Step and T-Mobile jerseys. Though
magenta continues to be a hard colour for me to wrap my head around,
even after helping a friend build up a team-colours TCR.
The Gerolsteiner jersey has a nice colourway, and I'm fond of the argyle
Slipstream jersey, but the Navigators jersey, graphically, is a bit of a
mess.
> My attempts to introduce black into a team I was with when living in
> Texas was met with resistance, first for claims it would be too hot,
> then for safety for riding at dusk. The safety factor is a good one,
> but I wonder at the quantitative effect of dark jerseys in the heat.
I suspect there's something to the heat issue. The heat difference might
not be enough for a big performance gain, but I suspect it is enough to
distract.
> Polar Bears, Jobst Brandt informed me of yesterday, have black skin.
Well, they have black skin underneath a lot of light-reflecting, heat
absorbing fur. At a random guess, they need the melanin content during
the sunset-less summers.
My club has added black accents with a dark grey counterprint to last
year's red (with white accents) unis.
The effect was inspired by (but not imitative of) this Cyclocross World
jersey:
http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/cyclocrossworld_1929_32947
Ours are also by LG, and that's Lyne Bessette on the podium, I believe.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 23 Jan 2007 14:40:12
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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In article
<rcousine-2027D8.23410322012007@news.telus.net >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <7v6th.12352$ji1.702@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>,
> Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m> wrote:
>
> > Several teams, most notably Discovery, are making black prominent in
> > their 2007 jersey designs:
> >
> > http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Peloton/teams.html
> >
> > Discovery, Navigators, and Priority Health each have most of their
> > jersey fronts devoted to black, with AMD/US National and Health Net
> > using it relatively strongly.
>
> Those Disco jerseys look okay, but I'm a bit old-school. I like the
> almost retro style of the Quick-Step and T-Mobile jerseys. Though
> magenta continues to be a hard colour for me to wrap my head around,
> even after helping a friend build up a team-colours TCR.
>
> The Gerolsteiner jersey has a nice colourway, and I'm fond of the argyle
> Slipstream jersey, but the Navigators jersey, graphically, is a bit of a
> mess.
I like all the jerseys, oddly enough. Discovery does
not fit easily on the horizontal; so they put it
vertical and made it work. Toyota United is blue
collar. Quickstep and T-Mobile also classic. BMC has
the fastest jersey.
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Michael Press
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Date: 23 Jan 2007 14:37:00
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> I suspect there's something to the heat issue. The heat difference might
> not be enough for a big performance gain, but I suspect it is enough to
> distract.
>
From
http://ams.allenpress.com/archive/1520-0450/18/7/pdf/i1520-0450-18-7-886.pdf
Dark versus light clothing can change the ambient temperature by 2-3C.
This is a substantial difference. Presumably, for alternating colors,
it is proportional to the relative fill factor.
Dan
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Date: 23 Jan 2007 06:26:43
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 07:41:05 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca >
wrote:
>In article <7v6th.12352$ji1.702@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net>,
> Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m> wrote:
>> http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Peloton/teams.html
>Those Disco jerseys look okay, but I'm a bit old-school. I like the
>almost retro style of the Quick-Step and T-Mobile jerseys. Though
>magenta continues to be a hard colour for me to wrap my head around,
>even after helping a friend build up a team-colours TCR.
>
>The Gerolsteiner jersey has a nice colourway, and I'm fond of the argyle
>Slipstream jersey,
Argyle is for socks:
http://www.nyvelocity.com/slideshow.php?id=921&pic=2
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Date: 23 Jan 2007 04:37:09
From: ST
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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On 1/22/07 9:28 AM, in article
7v6th.12352$ji1.702@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net, "Dan Connelly"
<d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > wrote:
> Several teams, most notably Discovery, are making black prominent in
> their 2007 jersey designs:
>
> http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Peloton/teams.html
>
> Discovery, Navigators, and Priority Health each have most of their
> jersey fronts devoted to black, with AMD/US National and Health Net
> using it relatively strongly.
>
> My attempts to introduce black into a team I was with when living in
> Texas was met with resistance, first for claims it would be too hot,
> then for safety for riding at dusk. The safety factor is a good one,
> but I wonder at the quantitative effect of dark jerseys in the heat.
>
> Polar Bears, Jobst Brandt informed me of yesterday, have black skin.
>
> Dan
I like the black. The opposite was when we were designing clothing one year
the resistence was against other colors that were not black(er) or dark
enough. Specifically the shorts. It was the old "I need somewhere to wipe my
greasy hands!"
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Date: 23 Jan 2007 09:18:51
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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ST wrote:
> I like the black. The opposite was when we were designing clothing one year
> the resistence was against other colors that were not black(er) or dark
> enough. Specifically the shorts. It was the old "I need somewhere to wipe my
> greasy hands!"
You really need a color that disguises wiped off snot.
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Date: 23 Jan 2007 06:16:00
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:18:51 +0200, Donald Munro
<fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
>ST wrote:
>> I like the black. The opposite was when we were designing clothing one year
>> the resistence was against other colors that were not black(er) or dark
>> enough. Specifically the shorts. It was the old "I need somewhere to wipe my
>> greasy hands!"
>
>You really need a color that disguises wiped off snot.
Dry or wet? We went with a dark gray that sorta handles both but does
neither perfectly.
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Date: 23 Jan 2007 21:23:05
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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In article <girbr21h5f9v4tk14vfsvistsei778b8vh@4ax.com >,
John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:18:51 +0200, Donald Munro
> <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >ST wrote:
> >> I like the black. The opposite was when we were designing clothing one
> >> year
> >> the resistence was against other colors that were not black(er) or dark
> >> enough. Specifically the shorts. It was the old "I need somewhere to wipe
> >> my
> >> greasy hands!"
> >
> >You really need a color that disguises wiped off snot.
>
> Dry or wet? We went with a dark gray that sorta handles both but does
> neither perfectly.
Dark gray? What are these, low-observability jerseys?
Actually a few years ago Rocky Mountain did an MTB team jersey with an
autumn-colours camo background. I think a jersey using the new "digital
camo" style might look quite nifty.
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Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 23 Jan 2007 18:13:06
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:23:05 GMT, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca >
wrote:
>In article <girbr21h5f9v4tk14vfsvistsei778b8vh@4ax.com>,
> John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 09:18:51 +0200, Donald Munro
>> <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >ST wrote:
>> >> I like the black. The opposite was when we were designing clothing one
>> >> year
>> >> the resistence was against other colors that were not black(er) or dark
>> >> enough. Specifically the shorts. It was the old "I need somewhere to wipe
>> >> my
>> >> greasy hands!"
>> >
>> >You really need a color that disguises wiped off snot.
>>
>> Dry or wet? We went with a dark gray that sorta handles both but does
>> neither perfectly.
>
>Dark gray? What are these, low-observability jerseys?
>
>Actually a few years ago Rocky Mountain did an MTB team jersey with an
>autumn-colours camo background. I think a jersey using the new "digital
>camo" style might look quite nifty.
There was camo gray uniforms for some road team in New England for a
few years. Ugly.
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 17:03:46
From: e-RICHIE
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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Dan Connelly wrote:
> My attempts to introduce black into a team I was with when living in
> Texas was met with resistance, first for claims it would be too hot,
> then for safety for riding at dusk.<cut>
we love black atmo -
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/bobbesrs/album/576460762315839264?pm_pageoption=
=3DALL
e-RICHIE=A9=99=AE
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Date: 23 Jan 2007 07:43:25
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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In article <1169514226.057626.178180@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com >,
"e-RICHIE" <richardsachs@juno.com > wrote:
> Dan Connelly wrote:
> > My attempts to introduce black into a team I was with when living in
> > Texas was met with resistance, first for claims it would be too hot,
> > then for safety for riding at dusk.<cut>
>
>
> we love black atmo -
> http://new.photos.yahoo.com/bobbesrs/album/576460762315839264?pm
> pageoption=ALL
> e-RICHIE???
Oh yeah. Those black RGM jerseys are sweet.
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/bobbesrs/album/576460762315839264/photo/29492
8803115787909/4
What does the Chinese script say?
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to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 23 Jan 2007 05:41:06
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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On 1/23/07 12:43 AM, in article
rcousine-57CB4F.23432122012007@news.telus.net, "Ryan Cousineau"
<rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> Oh yeah. Those black RGM jerseys are sweet.
>
> http://new.photos.yahoo.com/bobbesrs/album/576460762315839264/photo/29492
> 8803115787909/4
>
> What does the Chinese script say?
http://www.richardsachs.com/articles/cybcchiu.html
It's the name of Rex Chiu's father, and translates to Hill-Family-Victory
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 18:47:50
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:28:35 GMT, Dan Connelly
<d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > wrote:
>Several teams, most notably Discovery, are making black prominent in
>their 2007 jersey designs:
>
>http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Peloton/teams.html
>
>Discovery, Navigators, and Priority Health each have most of their
>jersey fronts devoted to black, with AMD/US National and Health Net
>using it relatively strongly.
They're ripping off my team
http://www.jt10000.com/images/greatneck05jt.jpg
And Disco ripped off the basic layout of my old team's jerseys with
the big circle and the vertical writing:
http://www.jt10000.com/images/cloud001.jpg
>My attempts to introduce black into a team I was with when living in
>Texas was met with resistance, first for claims it would be too hot,
>then for safety for riding at dusk. The safety factor is a good one,
>but I wonder at the quantitative effect of dark jerseys in the heat.
I don't like my current jerseys for riding at dusk/in the dark.
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 12:13:58
From: Scott
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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William Asher wrote:
>
> Interestingly, polar bears have
> essentially zero infrared signature except for their breath and farts.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/25bxhd
>
> --
> Bill Asher
and apparently they (polar bears, that is) know that when they lie flat
in the snow, the only thing visible is their nose. When lying in wait
for a snow hare to come close enough to catch, they'll cover their nose
with a paw, so that they're completely invisible to the hare.
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 21:59:36
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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Scott wrote:
>
> William Asher wrote:
>>
>> Interestingly, polar bears have
>> essentially zero infrared signature except for their breath and farts.
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/25bxhd
>>
>> --
>> Bill Asher
>
> and apparently they (polar bears, that is) know that when they lie flat
> in the snow, the only thing visible is their nose. When lying in wait
> for a snow hare to come close enough to catch, they'll cover their nose
> with a paw, so that they're completely invisible to the hare.
>
It's the arctic version of the comb-over. Except in the case of polar
bears it kinda works.
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 20:58:39
From: matabala
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > wrote in message
news:7v6th.12352$ji1.702@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
> Several teams, most notably Discovery, are making black prominent in their
> 2007 jersey designs:
>
> http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Peloton/teams.html
>
> Discovery, Navigators, and Priority Health each have most of their jersey
> fronts devoted to black, with AMD/US National and Health Net using it
> relatively strongly.
>
> My attempts to introduce black into a team I was with when living in Texas
> was met with resistance, first for claims it would be too hot, then for
> safety for riding at dusk. The safety factor is a good one, but I wonder
> at the quantitative effect of dark jerseys in the heat.
>
> Polar Bears, Jobst Brandt informed me of yesterday, have black skin.
>
> Dan
anything would be better than the Team Chipotle agyle hideousness - with
black knee-highs nonetheless!
http://www.cyclingnews.com/track.php?id=/photos/2006/worldcup0607/losangeles07/losangeles075/IMG_0598
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 11:32:15
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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Dan Connelly wrote:
> Several teams, most notably Discovery, are making black prominent in
> their 2007 jersey designs:
>
> http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Peloton/teams.html
>
> Discovery, Navigators, and Priority Health each have most of their
> jersey fronts devoted to black, with AMD/US National and Health Net
> using it relatively strongly.
>
> My attempts to introduce black into a team I was with when living in
> Texas was met with resistance, first for claims it would be too hot,
> then for safety for riding at dusk. The safety factor is a good one,
> but I wonder at the quantitative effect of dark jerseys in the heat.
>
> Polar Bears, Jobst Brandt informed me of yesterday, have black skin.
What about argyle ?
http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/docroot/images/2007/team-slipstream.gif
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Date: 22 Jan 2007 19:23:57
From: William Asher
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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Dan Connelly wrote:
> Several teams, most notably Discovery, are making black prominent in
> their 2007 jersey designs:
>
> http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Peloton/teams.html
>
> Discovery, Navigators, and Priority Health each have most of their
> jersey fronts devoted to black, with AMD/US National and Health Net
> using it relatively strongly.
>
> My attempts to introduce black into a team I was with when living in
> Texas was met with resistance, first for claims it would be too hot,
> then for safety for riding at dusk. The safety factor is a good one,
> but I wonder at the quantitative effect of dark jerseys in the heat.
>
> Polar Bears, Jobst Brandt informed me of yesterday, have black skin.
So do a lot of native Africans. The pigment of polar bears skin may have
little to do with heat absorption. Interestingly, polar bears have
essentially zero infrared signature except for their breath and farts.
http://tinyurl.com/25bxhd
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Bill Asher
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Date: 23 Jan 2007 07:45:52
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: black is in for 2007
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In article <Xns98C074117C88EFkldeltaC@130.133.1.4 >,
William Asher <gcnp58@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Dan Connelly wrote:
>
> > Several teams, most notably Discovery, are making black prominent in
> > their 2007 jersey designs:
> >
> > http://www.amgentourofcalifornia.com/Peloton/teams.html
> >
> > Discovery, Navigators, and Priority Health each have most of their
> > jersey fronts devoted to black, with AMD/US National and Health Net
> > using it relatively strongly.
> >
> > My attempts to introduce black into a team I was with when living in
> > Texas was met with resistance, first for claims it would be too hot,
> > then for safety for riding at dusk. The safety factor is a good one,
> > but I wonder at the quantitative effect of dark jerseys in the heat.
> >
> > Polar Bears, Jobst Brandt informed me of yesterday, have black skin.
>
> So do a lot of native Africans. The pigment of polar bears skin may have
> little to do with heat absorption. Interestingly, polar bears have
> essentially zero infrared signature except for their breath and farts.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/25bxhd
This is to reduce the danger from the polar bear's only natural
predator, pit vipers.
I kid. It's probably a consequence of heat being a scarce commodity, and
not something the polar bear would give up easily.
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to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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