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Date: 02 Aug 2007 16:22:14
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: closest third place in Tour de France
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from:
http://www.cvccbike.com/tour/top_ten.html
Closest third place in Tour history:
rank year seconds
1 2007 31
2 2006 89
3 1966 122
4 1987 133
5 1990 149
6 1968 183
7 1977 212
8 1989 214
9 1958 221
10 1956 224
11 1998 248
12 1983 249
13 2003 254
14 1985 269
15 1996 277
So this year's race was the closest podium in race history. Last year was second. Three of the top 10 were won by US riders, none of them Armstrong, with one (this year) with a US rider on the #3 position. A US rider was also #3 in the 11th closest podium.
Dan
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Date: 05 Aug 2007 08:08:55
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: closest third place in Tour de France
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On Aug 4, 1:02 pm, Simon Brooke <si...@jasmine.org.uk > wrote:
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> Yes, but politics had more influence on the podium this year than usual.
> All the real champions were excluded from the race before the start, and
> when Rasmussen showed that he had it within him to become a champion he
> was excluded too - on the flimsiest of excuses.
The sponsor is a bank - they need rock solid credibility. Booting
Rasmussen before someone else booted him adds a lot to that
credibility. There's little doubt that Rabobank got lots more
publicity mileage out of yanking him than if he'd won amidst
allegations.
Remember, it's not about the bike and it's rarely about cycling.
R
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 10:29:29
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Subject: Re: closest third place in Tour de France
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On Aug 2, 6:22 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m >
wrote:
> from:http://www.cvccbike.com/tour/top_ten.html
> So this year's race was the closest podium in race history.
> Last year was second.
http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf-timegaps.png
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 10:42:32
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: closest third place in Tour de France
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rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
> On Aug 2, 6:22 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
> wrote:
>> from:http://www.cvccbike.com/tour/top_ten.html
>
>> So this year's race was the closest podium in race history.
>> Last year was second.
>
> http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf-timegaps.png
>
As usual, Robert's plot makes the point extremely clearly.....
Dan
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 18:02:50
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: closest third place in Tour de France
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in message <uIosi.2506$Yz6.1870@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net >, Dan Connelly
('d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m') wrote:
> rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Aug 2, 6:22 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
>> wrote:
>>> from:http://www.cvccbike.com/tour/top_ten.html
>>
>>> So this year's race was the closest podium in race history.
>>> Last year was second.
>>
>> http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf-timegaps.png
>
> As usual, Robert's plot makes the point extremely clearly.....
Yes, but politics had more influence on the podium this year than usual.
All the real champions were excluded from the race before the start, and
when Rasmussen showed that he had it within him to become a champion he
was excluded too - on the flimsiest of excuses.
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for
murther
-- Robert Burns, 'Thanksgiving For a National Victory'
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 20:32:07
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: closest third place in Tour de France
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> Yes, but politics had more influence on the podium this year than usual.
> All the real champions were excluded from the race before the start, and
> when Rasmussen showed that he had it within him to become a champion he
> was excluded too - on the flimsiest of excuses.
Seriously? The "flimsiest of excuses?" I think Rasmussen put Rabobank
between a rock and a hard place. They'd deal with allegations of doping in
the past, and saw this as an opportunity to make a very strong point
regarding their direction and standards for how their athletes should
behave. My guess is that they know more than what we've heard so far,
because the cost of a wrongful termination lawsuit by Rasmussen would be
HUGE in this case. I'd be willing to bet they have pretty hard evidence that
he was not where he said he was going to be.
And what, by the way, is your definition of a "real champion?" There was
plenty of great racing going on with the apparently sub-standard peloton
that you felt showed up at the line.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Simon Brooke" <simon@jasmine.org.uk > wrote in message
news:q2oeo4-8rr.ln1@gododdin.internal.jasmine.org.uk...
> in message <uIosi.2506$Yz6.1870@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>, Dan Connelly
> ('d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m') wrote:
>
>> rechungREMOVETHIS@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Aug 2, 6:22 pm, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>
>>> wrote:
>>>> from:http://www.cvccbike.com/tour/top_ten.html
>>>
>>>> So this year's race was the closest podium in race history.
>>>> Last year was second.
>>>
>>> http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf-timegaps.png
>>
>> As usual, Robert's plot makes the point extremely clearly.....
>
> Yes, but politics had more influence on the podium this year than usual.
> All the real champions were excluded from the race before the start, and
> when Rasmussen showed that he had it within him to become a champion he
> was excluded too - on the flimsiest of excuses.
>
> --
> simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
> Ye hypocrites! are these your pranks? To murder men and give God thanks?
> Desist, for shame! Proceed no further: God won't accept your thanks for
> murther
> -- Robert Burns, 'Thanksgiving For a National
> Victory'
>
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Date: 05 Aug 2007 07:23:36
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: closest third place in Tour de France
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Yes, but politics had more influence on the podium this year than usual.
>> All the real champions were excluded from the race before the start, and
>> when Rasmussen showed that he had it within him to become a champion he
>> was excluded too - on the flimsiest of excuses.
>
> Seriously? The "flimsiest of excuses?"
Rasmussen is in the vicinity of a trainer with a reputation for doping, having lied to his team about being there, having withheld from the anti-doping authorities that he was there,
Sorry -- lying to your boss about where you are is a good clue you're up to something wrong. Hardly flimsy.
Dan
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Date: 05 Aug 2007 16:59:19
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: closest third place in Tour de France
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Dans le message de news:46B5DD68.6050306@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m,
Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > a réfléchi, et puis a
déclaré :
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> Yes, but politics had more influence on the podium this year than
>>> usual. All the real champions were excluded from the race before
>>> the start, and when Rasmussen showed that he had it within him to
>>> become a champion he was excluded too - on the flimsiest of excuses.
>>
>> Seriously? The "flimsiest of excuses?"
>
> Rasmussen is in the vicinity of a trainer with a reputation for
> doping, having lied to his team about being there, having withheld
> from the anti-doping authorities that he was there,
> Sorry -- lying to your boss about where you are is a good clue you're
> up to something wrong. Hardly flimsy.
> Dan
Still flimsy! Where's the video?
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Date: 05 Aug 2007 15:26:47
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: closest third place in Tour de France
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Sandy wrote:
> Still flimsy! Where's the video?
>
>
Theo didn't need to prove his case to you, just to himself.
We don't know what proof he was in Italy, or lack of proof he was in Mexico, was discussed. It's generally not too hard to prove you were someplace sometime during a multi-day period.
Dan
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Date: 05 Aug 2007 11:23:25
From: mal
Subject: Re: closest third place in Tour de France
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Tough that the TDF gets in the way, however if you lie to your boss, no
matter your motives, you will be fired.
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Date: 05 Aug 2007 18:54:13
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: closest third place in Tour de France
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mal wrote:
> Tough that the TDF gets in the way, however if you lie to your boss, no
> matter your motives, you will be fired.
Only if you get caught.
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 16:52:10
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: closest third place in Tour de France
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And don't forget it could have been 10 seconds closer (well, not quite; 3rd
would have overtaken second so I guess 4 seconds closer) if not for the
car-hold penalty Levi got. Not that he shouldn't have gotten it, of course.
But interesting how something seemingly insignificant at the time can become
a big thing.
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
"Dan Connelly" <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m > wrote in message
news:Wwnsi.43470$Um6.27897@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
> from:
> http://www.cvccbike.com/tour/top_ten.html
>
> Closest third place in Tour history:
>
> rank year seconds
> 1 2007 31
> 2 2006 89
> 3 1966 122
> 4 1987 133
> 5 1990 149
> 6 1968 183
> 7 1977 212
> 8 1989 214
> 9 1958 221
> 10 1956 224
> 11 1998 248
> 12 1983 249
> 13 2003 254
> 14 1985 269
> 15 1996 277
>
> So this year's race was the closest podium in race history. Last year was
> second. Three of the top 10 were won by US riders, none of them
> Armstrong, with one (this year) with a US rider on the #3 position. A US
> rider was also #3 in the 11th closest podium.
>
> Dan
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Date: 02 Aug 2007 10:25:14
From: Dan Connelly
Subject: Re: closest third place in Tour de France
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> And don't forget it could have been 10 seconds closer (well, not quite; 3rd
> would have overtaken second so I guess 4 seconds closer)
8 seconds....
> if not for the
> car-hold penalty Levi got. Not that he shouldn't have gotten it, of course.
> But interesting how something seemingly insignificant at the time can become
> a big thing.
>
> --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
> www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
And What If Kloden hadn't been treated so poorly? What if Rasmussen hadn't traveled to Italy? What if Vino hadn't crashed?
This tour had more "what if's" than any other I can recall.
Dan
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Date: 04 Aug 2007 18:03:53
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: closest third place in Tour de France
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in message <csosi.2419$Yz6.2067@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net >, Dan Connelly
('d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m') wrote:
> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> And don't forget it could have been 10 seconds closer (well, not quite;
>> 3rd would have overtaken second so I guess 4 seconds closer)
>
> 8 seconds....
>
>> if not for the
>> car-hold penalty Levi got. Not that he shouldn't have gotten it, of
>> course. But interesting how something seemingly insignificant at the
>> time can become a big thing.
>
> And What If Kloden hadn't been treated so poorly? What if Rasmussen
> hadn't traveled to Italy?
Did Rasmussen travel to Italy? Is there any evidence of that yet?
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
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