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Date: 15 Jun 2007 16:32:58
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: coulda fooled me
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>From Yahoo Sports News, IRT Basso suspension:
"I have the impression that every now and then we lose sight of the
issue at hand," said the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) antidoping
prosecutor Ettore Torri. "We don't have a problem with the cyclists,
the problem is with the people that induce them to make use of doping
products and tell them where to find them."
So why aren't we granting amnesty for confessions, if there's "no
problem" with the riders, and they're really after the suppliers/
enablers? --D-y
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 15:53:16
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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On Jun 20, 12:12 pm, cyclin...@gmail.com wrote:
> In case you missed it - it is the non-perment and non-serious damage
> that causes your heart to increase in size and volumn from exercise.
> Everything has to be seen in perspective - even the idea that runners
> actually damage themselves from running long or exceedingly hard
> distances.
I've had a few medicos remark on what they heard through the
stethoscope. At least, back when I was a younger dog, out there
gathering mileage.
Runners do damage themselves, eventually. All of them. At least the
knees. That's why we bike, right? --D-y
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Date: 20 Jun 2007 10:12:28
From:
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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On Jun 18, 12:08 pm, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com >
wrote:
> On Jun 18, 9:22 am, cyclin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > The study didn't do a followup to see if any of the damage was
> > permanent.
>
> I was just going for a hint of legitimacy IRT "the health of the
> athlete". I don't know of any long. studies but then I haven't looked,
> either <g>.
>
> Just a foot in the door is enough.
>
> > Think about this for a minute - exercise causes increased
> > heart size and reduced heart rhythm. If you are a steady and fit
> > cyclist and you are admitted to the emergency room for ANY reason you
> > have to make sure they understand that you are an athlete and DO NOT
> > PRETEND THAT SOMEONE THAT RIDES more than 40 miles a week isn't an
> > athlete. The symptoms that they are looking for are increased heart
> > size and reduced heart rhythm in patients over 40 which indicates -
> > heart failure.
>
> Maybe. Or you could be scoffed at, ridiculed, told to shut up, etc.
> etc.
That's the problem - I was handed a bill for $40,000 because they put
me in the ICU when I showed up with breathing problems caused by
poison gas. They poo-pooed the gas problem I was telling them about
and put me on all sorts of machines because of the low heart rate.
Luckily the admitting physician had written down that I had told them
several times that my heart was good and that it was my breathing that
was a problem. My lawyer managed to get them to cancel the charges.
But he cost damned near what the hospital bill was.
> > The point here being that saying that exercise damages organs etc.
> > means very little unless it is serious and permanent.
>
> I was hoping someone would pick this up and run with it, actually. --
In case you missed it - it is the non-perment and non-serious damage
that causes your heart to increase in size and volumn from exercise.
Everything has to be seen in perspective - even the idea that runners
actually damage themselves from running long or exceedingly hard
distances.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 12:08:34
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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On Jun 18, 9:22 am, cyclin...@gmail.com wrote:
> The study didn't do a followup to see if any of the damage was
> permanent.
I was just going for a hint of legitimacy IRT "the health of the
athlete". I don't know of any long. studies but then I haven't looked,
either <g >.
Just a foot in the door is enough.
> Think about this for a minute - exercise causes increased
> heart size and reduced heart rhythm. If you are a steady and fit
> cyclist and you are admitted to the emergency room for ANY reason you
> have to make sure they understand that you are an athlete and DO NOT
> PRETEND THAT SOMEONE THAT RIDES more than 40 miles a week isn't an
> athlete. The symptoms that they are looking for are increased heart
> size and reduced heart rhythm in patients over 40 which indicates -
> heart failure.
Maybe. Or you could be scoffed at, ridiculed, told to shut up, etc.
etc.
> The point here being that saying that exercise damages organs etc.
> means very little unless it is serious and permanent.
I was hoping someone would pick this up and run with it, actually. --
D-y
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 07:22:56
From:
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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On Jun 16, 4:47 am, "dustoyev...@mac.com" <dustoyev...@mac.com > wrote:
> On Jun 15, 9:48 pm, Davey Crockett <daveyc4Qrocket...@azurservers.com>
> wrote:
>
> > We must send a message to the lads that Doping is Bad for your Health
>
> To paraphrase (maybe) E. Merckx, "It's not the cake that's bad for the
> racer, it's the climbs".
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2br5kh
>
> Raced, pre- EPO/blood infusions, died young?
>
> Now there would be an interesting study. --D-y
The study didn't do a followup to see if any of the damage was
permanent. Think about this for a minute - exercise causes increased
heart size and reduced heart rhythm. If you are a steady and fit
cyclist and you are admitted to the emergency room for ANY reason you
have to make sure they understand that you are an athlete and DO NOT
PRETEND THAT SOMEONE THAT RIDES more than 40 miles a week isn't an
athlete. The symptoms that they are looking for are increased heart
size and reduced heart rhythm in patients over 40 which indicates -
heart failure.
The point here being that saying that exercise damages organs etc.
means very little unless it is serious and permanent.
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 04:27:48
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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On Jun 18, 2:03 am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
>
> The body responds to famine by fattening up when food
> is once again available.
>
> --
> Michael Press- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's one of the things they took into account at least as early as
the eighties when the really "ripped" look started to be mandatory in
BB. Skipping the issue of drugs for a second, all the diets and pre-
contest training plans where based on cutting and cycling calories so
you had some, relatively, high calorie days to try and prevent the
body from going into conservation mode. The other keys were to add in
much more cardio twice a day, reduce the weights and time between
sets, and increase the reps to almost turn it into circuit training.
It worked as a package, but drugs made it massively easier too for
those who used them, they thought we were idiots for not going the
most effective route.
Bill C
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 09:27:38
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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In article
<1182166068.125376.26720@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Jun 18, 2:03 am, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > The body responds to famine by fattening up when food
> > is once again available.
>
> That's one of the things they took into account at least as early as
> the eighties when the really "ripped" look started to be mandatory in
> BB. Skipping the issue of drugs for a second, all the diets and pre-
> contest training plans where based on cutting and cycling calories so
> you had some, relatively, high calorie days to try and prevent the
> body from going into conservation mode. The other keys were to add in
> much more cardio twice a day, reduce the weights and time between
> sets, and increase the reps to almost turn it into circuit training.
> It worked as a package, but drugs made it massively easier too for
> those who used them, they thought we were idiots for not going the
> most effective route.
Thanks.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 18:40:40
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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On Jun 17, 1:55 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 12:28 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Donald Munro wrote:
> > >> You're going to have to stop adding steroids to your gin and tonic or
> > >> martini.
> > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > > My hairline acts as a visible certificate for my naturally high T levels.
>
> > > It's not about the hair,
>
> > Perhaps its time to come out of denial and try and make some money
> > instead. I'm sure a LIVEDRUNK(tm) franchise selling steroid laced
> > cocktails at gyms and health clubs would make a fortune, especially where
> > the clientele comprises body builders.
>
> I'd bet that there's more money in selling "organic" smoothie type
> drinks mixed with amphetamines and other effective weight loss stuff
> to the women, especially after tey all drop 10 or 15 pounds after a
> month of pounding them, and then they're hooked.
> Same theory slightly different product and target. Maybe go with the
> ultimate gym "juice" bar.
> Bill C
clenbuterol
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=409347&in_page_id=1879&in_a_source=&ito=1490
mixes well with booze :
"He gave her loads of pills: a mixture of prescription and
supplements. My brother had a party and you would not believe the
state she got herself in - she soiled herself and was vomiting because
of all those pills. The doctor never told her not to drink."
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 23:03:30
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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In article
<1182105640.849889.257420@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com >
,
"amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jun 17, 1:55 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Jun 17, 12:28 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Donald Munro wrote:
> > > >> You're going to have to stop adding steroids to your gin and tonic or
> > > >> martini.
> > > Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > > > My hairline acts as a visible certificate for my naturally high T levels.
> >
> > > > It's not about the hair,
> >
> > > Perhaps its time to come out of denial and try and make some money
> > > instead. I'm sure a LIVEDRUNK(tm) franchise selling steroid laced
> > > cocktails at gyms and health clubs would make a fortune, especially where
> > > the clientele comprises body builders.
> >
> > I'd bet that there's more money in selling "organic" smoothie type
> > drinks mixed with amphetamines and other effective weight loss stuff
> > to the women, especially after tey all drop 10 or 15 pounds after a
> > month of pounding them, and then they're hooked.
> > Same theory slightly different product and target. Maybe go with the
> > ultimate gym "juice" bar.
> > Bill C
>
> clenbuterol
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=409347&in_page_id=1879&in_a_source=&ito=1490
>
> mixes well with booze :
>
> "He gave her loads of pills: a mixture of prescription and
> supplements. My brother had a party and you would not believe the
> state she got herself in - she soiled herself and was vomiting because
> of all those pills. The doctor never told her not to drink."
"Most of the data available is veterinary, and it
reveals a lot of bad reactions in rats. After taking
the drug, their hearts started to stiffen. So it seems
safe to predict that clenbuterol in high doses when
taken by humans increases the risk of strokes and heart
arrhythmia."
Invalid inference of stroke risk.
"Having messed with an user's natural metabolism, the
drugs seem to lose their efficacy almost as quickly as
they helped shift excess pounds. Jackie Warner has seen
the body backlash first-hand. "A friend on clen lost
weight, but after a while the drug stopped working,"
she says. "She was just eating tuna and told me: "If I
eat anything, I just blow up.'""
The body responds to famine by fattening up when food
is once again available.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 10:58:49
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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On Jun 17, 1:55 pm, Bill C <tritonri...@verizon.net > wrote:
>
> I'd bet that there's more money in selling "organic" smoothie type
> drinks mixed with amphetamines and other effective weight loss stuff
> to the women, especially after tey all drop 10 or 15 pounds after a
> month of pounding them, and then they're hooked.
> Same theory slightly different product and target. Maybe go with the
> ultimate gym "juice" bar.
Well, if you want organic, how about a milk bar like the one in A
Clockwork Orange? Can't get more holesome than that. :)
R
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 10:55:41
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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On Jun 17, 12:28 pm, Donald Munro <fat-dumb...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Donald Munro wrote:
> >> You're going to have to stop adding steroids to your gin and tonic or
> >> martini.
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > My hairline acts as a visible certificate for my naturally high T levels.
>
> > It's not about the hair,
>
> Perhaps its time to come out of denial and try and make some money
> instead. I'm sure a LIVEDRUNK(tm) franchise selling steroid laced
> cocktails at gyms and health clubs would make a fortune, especially where
> the clientele comprises body builders.
I'd bet that there's more money in selling "organic" smoothie type
drinks mixed with amphetamines and other effective weight loss stuff
to the women, especially after tey all drop 10 or 15 pounds after a
month of pounding them, and then they're hooked.
Same theory slightly different product and target. Maybe go with the
ultimate gym "juice" bar.
Bill C
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 04:47:48
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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On Jun 15, 9:48 pm, Davey Crockett <daveyc4Qrocket...@azurservers.com >
wrote:
> We must send a message to the lads that Doping is Bad for your Health
To paraphrase (maybe) E. Merckx, "It's not the cake that's bad for the
racer, it's the climbs".
http://tinyurl.com/2br5kh
Raced, pre- EPO/blood infusions, died young?
Now there would be an interesting study. --D-y
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 04:48:07
From: Davey Crockett
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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"dustoyevsky@mac.com" <dustoyevsky@mac.com > writes:
>>From Yahoo Sports News, IRT Basso suspension:
>
> "I have the impression that every now and then we lose sight of the
> issue at hand," said the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) antidoping
> prosecutor Ettore Torri. "We don't have a problem with the cyclists,
> the problem is with the people that induce them to make use of doping
> products and tell them where to find them."
>
> So why aren't we granting amnesty for confessions, if there's "no
> problem" with the riders, and they're really after the suppliers/
> enablers? --D-y
>
We must send a message to the lads that Doping is Bad for your Health
--
Davey Crockett - No 4Q to Reply
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 00:00:54
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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In article <1181950378.240682.47880@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
"dustoyevsky@mac.com" <dustoyevsky@mac.com > wrote:
> >From Yahoo Sports News, IRT Basso suspension:
>
> "I have the impression that every now and then we lose sight of the
> issue at hand," said the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) antidoping
> prosecutor Ettore Torri. "We don't have a problem with the cyclists,
> the problem is with the people that induce them to make use of doping
> products and tell them where to find them."
>
> So why aren't we granting amnesty for confessions, if there's "no
> problem" with the riders, and they're really after the suppliers/
> enablers? --D-y
Because it's more fun this way.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 15 Jun 2007 19:35:03
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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In article <rcousine-BDA953.17005415062007@news.telus.net >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <1181950378.240682.47880@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> "dustoyevsky@mac.com" <dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > >From Yahoo Sports News, IRT Basso suspension:
> >
> > "I have the impression that every now and then we lose sight of the
> > issue at hand," said the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) antidoping
> > prosecutor Ettore Torri. "We don't have a problem with the cyclists,
> > the problem is with the people that induce them to make use of doping
> > products and tell them where to find them."
> >
> > So why aren't we granting amnesty for confessions, if there's "no
> > problem" with the riders, and they're really after the suppliers/
> > enablers? --D-y
>
> Because it's more fun this way.
Especially for those who like to have a chance to seethe in righteous indignation.
By the way, about yer new 'do...
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 07:27:19
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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In article <YOURhoward-E76D25.19350315062007@comcast.dca.giganews.com >,
Howard Kveck <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> In article <rcousine-BDA953.17005415062007@news.telus.net>,
> Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
> > In article <1181950378.240682.47880@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> > "dustoyevsky@mac.com" <dustoyevsky@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >From Yahoo Sports News, IRT Basso suspension:
> > >
> > > "I have the impression that every now and then we lose sight of the
> > > issue at hand," said the Italian Olympic Committee (CONI) antidoping
> > > prosecutor Ettore Torri. "We don't have a problem with the cyclists,
> > > the problem is with the people that induce them to make use of doping
> > > products and tell them where to find them."
> > >
> > > So why aren't we granting amnesty for confessions, if there's "no
> > > problem" with the riders, and they're really after the suppliers/
> > > enablers? --D-y
> >
> > Because it's more fun this way.
>
> Especially for those who like to have a chance to seethe in righteous
> indignation.
>
> By the way, about yer new 'do...
Has it left you seething in righteous indignation? Is it because you
think Davey would like it?
Just my rather convenient way of cooling off for the summer, and
avoiding some increasingly unconvincing semi-combovers. My hairline
would sorta play peek-a-boo with the remaining lock of hair growing from
the top of my forehead.
Very sad,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 16 Jun 2007 17:57:53
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> Just my rather convenient way of cooling off for the summer, and
> avoiding some increasingly unconvincing semi-combovers. My hairline
> would sorta play peek-a-boo with the remaining lock of hair growing from
> the top of my forehead.
>
> Very sad,
You're going to have to stop adding steroids to your gin and tonic or
martini.
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 00:29:33
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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In article <46740897$0$14792$ec3e2dad@news.usenetmonster.com >,
Donald Munro <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
> Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> > Just my rather convenient way of cooling off for the summer, and
> > avoiding some increasingly unconvincing semi-combovers. My hairline
> > would sorta play peek-a-boo with the remaining lock of hair growing from
> > the top of my forehead.
> >
> > Very sad,
>
> You're going to have to stop adding steroids to your gin and tonic or
> martini.
My hairline acts as a visible certificate for my naturally high T levels.
It's not about the hair,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 17 Jun 2007 18:28:01
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: coulda fooled me
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Donald Munro wrote:
>> You're going to have to stop adding steroids to your gin and tonic or
>> martini.
Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> My hairline acts as a visible certificate for my naturally high T levels.
>
> It's not about the hair,
Perhaps its time to come out of denial and try and make some money
instead. I'm sure a LIVEDRUNK(tm) franchise selling steroid laced
cocktails at gyms and health clubs would make a fortune, especially where
the clientele comprises body builders.
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