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Date: 27 Jul 2007 13:42:18
From: Callistus Valerius
Subject: evolution of a pro-cyclist....
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There is no doubt that the cyclists at the tdf are the best of us, but how
much better is the question. When they are young they are "chosen" because
they're a hair better than the rest of us. Then they disappear into the
pro-cycling world. We of course continue to train, like they do, but then
we soon discover that they aren't still a hair better than us, but twice or
three times faster than us. What happened? Was it Carmichael training
techniques that made them so much better, and they had a team that would pay
for this enhanced training that they do? Or is it because.............as we
are now finding out, that they have been introduced to a so and so Dr.
Frankenstein, that re-made them, better than before, and much faster.
Mixing, in his labs, custom formulas, after much testing of the bodies, the
exact mixtures that will turn this above average cyclist, into a
super-human. So now we are at the point that we want to get rid of these
Frankenstein's, what will we have then? Will people continue to watch the
European Tours, and put up with Liggett on Versus, or buy Cycling world
magazine, if the heros are only a hair better than us on a bike.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 23:29:09
From: kaiser
Subject: Re: evolution of a pro-cyclist....
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I thought Shapiro was the alternate. Carmichael probably watched the
races from his apartment.
On Jul 27, 7:46 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk > wrote:
Well, Carmichael has first hand experience with blod doping from the
> 1984 Olympics. I guess he knows what he is doing.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 13:31:14
From: mal
Subject: Re: evolution of a pro-cyclist....
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The physical difference is only part reason pros are better. And I don't
think it is as significant as most believe.
There is a n element of "wild hair up their butt" that a normal person
doesn't possess. Their ability to sacrifice all for success. That sacrifice
is broad, it's from long and terribly arduous training sessions to
increasing the dosage beyond the physicians recommended prescription.
To be at the absolute top of anything there needs to be a couple of screws
lightened.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 11:55:00
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: evolution of a pro-cyclist....
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:42:18 GMT, "Callistus Valerius" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com >
wrote:
>There is no doubt that the cyclists at the tdf are the best of us, but how
>much better is the question. When they are young they are "chosen" because
>they're a hair better than the rest of us. Then they disappear into the
>pro-cycling world. We of course continue to train, like they do, but then
>we soon discover that they aren't still a hair better than us, but twice or
>three times faster than us. What happened?
Dumbfuck - We have full time jobs. There is actually no further explanation
necessary, I could elaborate, but that's actually enough of an answer. Nobody
with a full time job beats a pro at an endurance event.
Was it Carmichael training
>techniques that made them so much better, and they had a team that would pay
>for this enhanced training that they do? Or is it because.............as we
>are now finding out, that they have been introduced to a so and so Dr.
>Frankenstein, that re-made them, better than before, and much faster.
>Mixing, in his labs, custom formulas, after much testing of the bodies, the
>exact mixtures that will turn this above average cyclist, into a
>super-human. So now we are at the point that we want to get rid of these
>Frankenstein's, what will we have then? Will people continue to watch the
>European Tours, and put up with Liggett on Versus, or buy Cycling world
>magazine, if the heros are only a hair better than us on a bike.
That "hair better" is all the difference necessary. A boxer who is a hair faster
will pummel the shit out of his opponent every time. A hair better on a bike
means not cracking versus complete meltdown. This is not subtle. What you refer
to as two or three times faster isn't much but it's enough. It is enough that
having to also perform a day job will make the difference.
Ron
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 16:23:20
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: evolution of a pro-cyclist....
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In article <035ka351ckhnl3d6lpbdpstim589pdgnnl@4ax.com >,
RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:42:18 GMT, "Callistus Valerius"
> <jazzyboss@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >There is no doubt that the cyclists at the tdf are the best of us, but how
> >much better is the question. When they are young they are "chosen" because
> >they're a hair better than the rest of us. Then they disappear into the
> >pro-cycling world. We of course continue to train, like they do, but then
> >we soon discover that they aren't still a hair better than us, but twice or
> >three times faster than us. What happened?
>
> Dumbfuck - We have full time jobs. There is actually no further explanation
> necessary, I could elaborate, but that's actually enough of an answer. Nobody
> with a full time job beats a pro at an endurance event.
Not to argue with you, Ron, but Karen Kurreck had a full time job when she won the
Worlds ITT. She was supposed to be back to work on the Monday after and got to stay
an extra day or so, as I recall. But you're pretty much right.
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 23:56:36
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: evolution of a pro-cyclist....
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"Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote in message
news:YOURhoward-E8451C.16232027072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <035ka351ckhnl3d6lpbdpstim589pdgnnl@4ax.com>,
> RonSonic <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:42:18 GMT, "Callistus Valerius"
>> <jazzyboss@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >There is no doubt that the cyclists at the tdf are the best of us, but
>> >how
>> >much better is the question. When they are young they are "chosen"
>> >because
>> >they're a hair better than the rest of us. Then they disappear into the
>> >pro-cycling world. We of course continue to train, like they do, but
>> >then
>> >we soon discover that they aren't still a hair better than us, but twice
>> >or
>> >three times faster than us. What happened?
>>
>> Dumbfuck - We have full time jobs. There is actually no further
>> explanation
>> necessary, I could elaborate, but that's actually enough of an answer.
>> Nobody
>> with a full time job beats a pro at an endurance event.
>
> Not to argue with you, Ron, but Karen Kurreck had a full time job when
> she won the
> Worlds ITT. She was supposed to be back to work on the Monday after and
> got to stay
> an extra day or so, as I recall. But you're pretty much right.
In case you missed it - there were no women's "pros" when Karen won the
worlds.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 18:01:10
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: evolution of a pro-cyclist....
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In article <UCvqi.12572$Od7.700@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net >,
"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "Howard Kveck" <YOURhoward@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote in message
> news:YOURhoward-E8451C.16232027072007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> > Not to argue with you, Ron, but Karen Kurreck had a full time job when
> > she won the Worlds ITT. She was supposed to be back to work on the Monday after
> > and got to stay an extra day or so, as I recall. But you're pretty much right.
>
> In case you missed it - there were no women's "pros" when Karen won the
> worlds.
And???? In case you missed it, no one was talking about "pro" or "not pro' -
besides, could you tell me how many of the other women that she beat that day had
full time day jobs that weren't cycling?
--
tanx,
Howard
Never take a tenant with a monkey.
remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 15:18:14
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: evolution of a pro-cyclist....
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> So now we are at the point that we want to get rid of these
> Frankenstein's, what will we have then? Will people continue to watch the
> European Tours, and put up with Liggett on Versus, or buy Cycling world
> magazine, if the heros are only a hair better than us on a bike.
C'mon, you've posted far better than this. You make it sound like the only
thing separating the 'Tour riders from yourself and others here are access
to doping expertise. Right. I know it's a troll, and I shouldn't take it
seriously, but there's a world of difference between a clean ProTour
cyclists and anyone posting here. A much larger difference, I would say,
than between a typical clean ProTour cyclist and one who dopes.
> There is no doubt that the cyclists at the tdf are the best of us, but how
> much better is the question. When they are young they are "chosen"
> because
> they're a hair better than the rest of us.
There is some evidence that ProTour cyclists aren't always the brightest
bulb in the room; perhaps that's where they come within being a hair better?
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Callistus Valerius" <jazzyboss@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:_Cmqi.12514$zA4.3813@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> There is no doubt that the cyclists at the tdf are the best of us, but how
> much better is the question. When they are young they are "chosen"
> because
> they're a hair better than the rest of us. Then they disappear into the
> pro-cycling world. We of course continue to train, like they do, but then
> we soon discover that they aren't still a hair better than us, but twice
> or
> three times faster than us. What happened? Was it Carmichael training
> techniques that made them so much better, and they had a team that would
> pay
> for this enhanced training that they do? Or is it because.............as
> we
> are now finding out, that they have been introduced to a so and so Dr.
> Frankenstein, that re-made them, better than before, and much faster.
> Mixing, in his labs, custom formulas, after much testing of the bodies,
> the
> exact mixtures that will turn this above average cyclist, into a
> super-human. So now we are at the point that we want to get rid of these
> Frankenstein's, what will we have then? Will people continue to watch the
> European Tours, and put up with Liggett on Versus, or buy Cycling world
> magazine, if the heros are only a hair better than us on a bike.
>
>
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Date: 28 Jul 2007 21:13:03
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: evolution of a pro-cyclist....
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In article
<W0oqi.11537$eY.5124@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net >,
"Mike Jacoubowsky" <MikeJ@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> There is some evidence that ProTour cyclists aren't always the brightest
> bulb in the room; perhaps that's where they come within being a hair better?
Basically, I am to smart to hit a major league fastball.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 16:46:58
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: evolution of a pro-cyclist....
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Callistus Valerius <jazzyboss@hotmail.com > wrote:
> There is no doubt that the cyclists at the tdf are the best of us, but how
> much better is the question. When they are young they are "chosen" because
> they're a hair better than the rest of us. Then they disappear into the
> pro-cycling world. We of course continue to train, like they do, but then
> we soon discover that they aren't still a hair better than us, but twice or
> three times faster than us. What happened? Was it Carmichael training
> techniques that made them so much better, and they had a team that would pay
> for this enhanced training that they do? Or is it because.............as we
> are now finding out, that they have been introduced to a so and so Dr.
> Frankenstein, that re-made them, better than before, and much faster.
> Mixing, in his labs, custom formulas, after much testing of the bodies, the
> exact mixtures that will turn this above average cyclist, into a
> super-human. So now we are at the point that we want to get rid of these
> Frankenstein's, what will we have then? Will people continue to watch the
> European Tours, and put up with Liggett on Versus, or buy Cycling world
> magazine, if the heros are only a hair better than us on a bike.
Well, Carmichael has first hand experience with blod doping from the
1984 Olympics. I guess he knows what he is doing.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 27 Jul 2007 18:27:38
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: evolution of a pro-cyclist....
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"Morten Reippuert Knudsen" <spam@reippuert.dk > wrote in message
news:24dpn4-jh9.ln1@wm.reippuert.dk...
>
> Well, Carmichael has first hand experience with blod doping from the
> 1984 Olympics. I guess he knows what he is doing.
Mort,
Why would you say "first hand experience"?
That's about as accurate as that fuckwit DeCanio's pasting Gorski's picture
on his little prepubescent rant of a webpage regarding the doping of the '84
US Oly team.
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