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Date: 05 Nov 2007 17:51:13
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Subject: new question
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I am training hard to race next year and I even talked to my boss
about time off to do some of the bigger races I read about in those
links you posted for me, like the Altoona one. but now I leanred
about something else. it seems they do a lot of drug testing in this
sport, so I wonder if the homopathic medicine I take for my allergies
will be a problem. Can someone tell me. I have to take it so what
would I do?
LYNDA
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 00:29:15
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: new question
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On Nov 6, 2:45 am, Ewoud Dronkert <firstn...@lastname.net.invalid >
wrote:
> Frank Drackman wrote:
> > it was highly stressed at the event that any alcohol use would
> > automatically stop us from using the park in the future.
>
> Why?!
>
> 1. Pour in plastic or paper cups.
> 2. Have a ground clean-up crew for after the race.
> 3. Arrange to be in the vicinity of good public tranportation or hire
> some extra coaches yourself.
> 4. Perhaps announce breath tests at the car park after the event.
>
> And don't forget to only sell beer in spots that also sell bratwurst
> and burgers. It helps you, it helps them.
>
> --
> E. Dronkert
dumbass,
when serving alcohol there's a whole ball of legal and liability
implications.
we're having a beer tent the two 'cross races that were are hosting
this weekend and it involves a considerable amount of extra red tape
and expense.
every region has it's idiosyncrasies, but here we have to obtain a
liquor license to serve or sell alcohol. open container laws prohibit
drinking in public areas that are not licensed.
we have to control access to where the alcohol is served and consumed
(to keep alcohol away from minors and intoxicated persons) and we have
to have security staff in the beer tent to deal with problems that may
arise.
not going through the proper channels would probably mean the end of
our access to the venue.
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 12:03:06
From:
Subject: Re: new question
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On Nov 6, 4:02 am, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <UISdndc_sLF1NrLanZ2dnUVZ_tmhn...@comcast.com>,
> "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > <bikingly...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:1194285073.783129.286760@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > >I am training hard to race next year and I even talked to my boss
> > > about time off to do some of the bigger races I read about in those
> > > links you posted for me, like the Altoona one. but now I leanred
> > > about something else. it seems they do a lot of drug testing in this
> > > sport, so I wonder if the homopathic medicine I take for my allergies
> > > will be a problem. Can someone tell me. I have to take it so what
> > > would I do?
>
> > > LYNDA
>
> >http://www.wada-ama.org/en/prohibitedlist.ch2
>
> Never mind homeopathic preparations, I of course went straight to the
> alcohol proscriptions.
>
> http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/2007_List_En.pdf
> (page 10)
>
> Good news! Alcohol is prohibited only for in-competition use, and only
> in a very restricted set of sports.
>
> Alcohol (ethanol) is prohibited in-competition only, in the following
> sports. Detection will be conducted by analysis of breath and/or blood.
> The doping violation threshold (haematological values) for each
> Federation is reported in parenthesis.
>
> =80 Aeronautic (FAI) (0.20 g/L)
> =80 Archery (FITA, IPC) (0.10 g/L)
> =80 Automobile (FIA) (0.10 g/L)
> =80 Boules (CMSB, (0.10 g/L)
> IPC bowls)
> =80 Karate (WKF) (0.10 g/L)
> =80 Modern Pentathlon (UIPM) (0.10 g/L)
> for disciplines involving shooting
> =80 Motorcycling (FIM) (0.10 g/L)
> =80 Powerboating (UIM) (0.30 g/L)
>
> If I've calculated correctly, these are very low thresholds for alcohol.
> The famous .08 standard, widely used as the threshold of legal
> intoxication, is 0.80 g/L. It's fun to speculate on why powerboaters are
> allowed to be a little more drunk than pilots, who can be a bit more
> drunk than karate fighters (clearly, it's banned there due to the
> dreaded "drunken master" style).
>
> Notably, cycling isn't on the list! Woo hoo! Cyclocross is saved! And
> notably, Geoff Kabush, who after an early flat or something at Star
> Crossed, was seen taking "hand-ups" in the beer garden as he rode out
> the race.
>
> Anyone want to explain why, however, Boules has an alcohol prohibition?
> I don't see Bocce pulling that sort of thing. The French should know
> better!
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.cahttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
> Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
I recall some Canadian Snooker player who had a degenerative nervous
disease who thought alcohol suppressed the symptoms, so would drink
beer during his matches. OK, I just looked this up, his name was Bill
Werbeniuk, he died in 2003 at the age of 56. Anyway, alcohol was
eventually banned in snooker, but he managed to get a medical
dispensation from his doctor:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=3D%2Fnews%2F2003%2F01%2F23%2=
Fdb2301.xml
-ilan
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Date: 07 Nov 2007 19:06:39
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: new question
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<ilanpsi@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1194350586.590748.230550@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I recall some Canadian Snooker player who had a degenerative nervous
disease who thought alcohol suppressed the symptoms, so would drink
beer during his matches.
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I had almost disabling gout for several years and the only way to suppress
the symptoms was to drink beer until I had a heavy hangover. Then I'd be
able to walk normally for a couple of days. The gout was finally (after four
specialists and two GP's) discovered and treatment prescribed and after 10
years I was able to get off of medication and now am essentially without
symptoms as long as I ride.
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 23:57:24
From: Scarponi
Subject: Re: new question
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In article <13j4v9udh171b9f@corp.supernews.com >, cyclintom@yahoo.
says...
> <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1194350586.590748.230550@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> I recall some Canadian Snooker player who had a degenerative nervous
> disease who thought alcohol suppressed the symptoms, so would drink
> beer during his matches.
Bill Werbeniuk. My kinda sportsman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Werbeniuk
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 02:22:33
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: new question
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In article <MPG.219db2b667f1ac6b989682@news.cable.ntlworld.com >,
Scarponi <none@none.com > wrote:
> In article <13j4v9udh171b9f@corp.supernews.com>, cyclintom@yahoo.
> says...
> > <ilanpsi@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1194350586.590748.230550@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> > I recall some Canadian Snooker player who had a degenerative nervous
> > disease who thought alcohol suppressed the symptoms, so would drink
> > beer during his matches.
>
> Bill Werbeniuk. My kinda sportsman.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Werbeniuk
LIVEDRUNK hall of fame! Not only did he drink before and during matches,
he had a TUE for it! And a tax deduction*! Sad side point: had to retire
from pro snooker after he switched from alcohol to Inderal to control
his nervous tremor. Shortly after that, Inderal (a beta-blocker) was
banned for pro snooker, and he was basically forced out of the sport.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A1032058#back2
*LIVEDRUNK is especially intrigued by this idea. Is this how Zak-Paul
paid for his liquor cabinet?
Since Bill turns out to be a local boy (lived in Vancouver before and
after his pro career), I will hereby inaugurate the Bill Werbeniuk
Memorial Cyclocross Ride, which will take place at 11:00 on New Year's
Day. Meetup location TBA, but probably Calhoun's on West Broadway.
byob,
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 15:51:04
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: new question
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<bikinglynda@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1194285073.783129.286760@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>I am training hard to race next year and I even talked to my boss
> about time off to do some of the bigger races I read about in those
> links you posted for me, like the Altoona one. but now I leanred
> about something else. it seems they do a lot of drug testing in this
> sport, so I wonder if the homopathic medicine I take for my allergies
> will be a problem. Can someone tell me. I have to take it so what
> would I do?
>
> LYNDA
http://www.wada-ama.org/en/prohibitedlist.ch2
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 03:02:04
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: new question
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In article <UISdndc_sLF1NrLanZ2dnUVZ_tmhnZ2d@comcast.com >,
"Frank Drackman" <frankdrack@yahoo.com > wrote:
> <bikinglynda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1194285073.783129.286760@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >I am training hard to race next year and I even talked to my boss
> > about time off to do some of the bigger races I read about in those
> > links you posted for me, like the Altoona one. but now I leanred
> > about something else. it seems they do a lot of drug testing in this
> > sport, so I wonder if the homopathic medicine I take for my allergies
> > will be a problem. Can someone tell me. I have to take it so what
> > would I do?
> >
> > LYNDA
>
> http://www.wada-ama.org/en/prohibitedlist.ch2
Never mind homeopathic preparations, I of course went straight to the
alcohol proscriptions.
http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/2007_List_En.pdf
(page 10)
Good news! Alcohol is prohibited only for in-competition use, and only
in a very restricted set of sports.
Alcohol (ethanol) is prohibited in-competition only, in the following
sports. Detection will be conducted by analysis of breath and/or blood.
The doping violation threshold (haematological values) for each
Federation is reported in parenthesis.
€ Aeronautic (FAI) (0.20 g/L)
€ Archery (FITA, IPC) (0.10 g/L)
€ Automobile (FIA) (0.10 g/L)
€ Boules (CMSB, (0.10 g/L)
IPC bowls)
€ Karate (WKF) (0.10 g/L)
€ Modern Pentathlon (UIPM) (0.10 g/L)
for disciplines involving shooting
€ Motorcycling (FIM) (0.10 g/L)
€ Powerboating (UIM) (0.30 g/L)
If I've calculated correctly, these are very low thresholds for alcohol.
The famous .08 standard, widely used as the threshold of legal
intoxication, is 0.80 g/L. It's fun to speculate on why powerboaters are
allowed to be a little more drunk than pilots, who can be a bit more
drunk than karate fighters (clearly, it's banned there due to the
dreaded "drunken master" style).
Notably, cycling isn't on the list! Woo hoo! Cyclocross is saved! And
notably, Geoff Kabush, who after an early flat or something at Star
Crossed, was seen taking "hand-ups" in the beer garden as he rode out
the race.
Anyone want to explain why, however, Boules has an alcohol prohibition?
I don't see Bocce pulling that sort of thing. The French should know
better!
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
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Date: 08 Nov 2007 22:36:19
From: Antti Salonen
Subject: Re: new question
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Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> Good news! Alcohol is prohibited only for in-competition use, and only
> in a very restricted set of sports.
Indeed. This was discussed on a local forum some time ago. It turned out
that neither UCI or WADA regulations ban alcohol use in competetive
cycling. Traffic regulations might, if we're talking about road racing
on open roads, but that depends on where you are. Over here riding a
bicycle drunk is fortunately legal as long as you "do it safely".
Antti
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 06:51:07
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: new question
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In article
<rcousine-059EA0.19020305112007@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvo
x.net] >,
Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <UISdndc_sLF1NrLanZ2dnUVZ_tmhnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Frank Drackman" <frankdrack@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > <bikinglynda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1194285073.783129.286760@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> > >I am training hard to race next year and I even talked to my boss
> > > about time off to do some of the bigger races I read about in those
> > > links you posted for me, like the Altoona one. but now I leanred
> > > about something else. it seems they do a lot of drug testing in this
> > > sport, so I wonder if the homopathic medicine I take for my allergies
> > > will be a problem. Can someone tell me. I have to take it so what
> > > would I do?
> > >
> > > LYNDA
> >
> > http://www.wada-ama.org/en/prohibitedlist.ch2
>
> Never mind homeopathic preparations, I of course went straight to the
> alcohol proscriptions.
>
> http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/2007_List_En.pdf
> (page 10)
>
> Good news! Alcohol is prohibited only for in-competition use, and only
> in a very restricted set of sports.
>
> Alcohol (ethanol) is prohibited in-competition only, in the following
> sports. Detection will be conducted by analysis of breath and/or blood.
> The doping violation threshold (haematological values) for each
> Federation is reported in parenthesis.
>
> € Aeronautic (FAI) (0.20 g/L)
> € Archery (FITA, IPC) (0.10 g/L)
> € Automobile (FIA) (0.10 g/L)
> € Boules (CMSB, (0.10 g/L)
> IPC bowls)
> € Karate (WKF) (0.10 g/L)
> € Modern Pentathlon (UIPM) (0.10 g/L)
> for disciplines involving shooting
> € Motorcycling (FIM) (0.10 g/L)
> € Powerboating (UIM) (0.30 g/L)
>
> If I've calculated correctly, these are very low thresholds for alcohol.
> The famous .08 standard, widely used as the threshold of legal
> intoxication, is 0.80 g/L. It's fun to speculate on why powerboaters are
> allowed to be a little more drunk than pilots, who can be a bit more
> drunk than karate fighters (clearly, it's banned there due to the
> dreaded "drunken master" style).
>
> Notably, cycling isn't on the list! Woo hoo! Cyclocross is saved! And
> notably, Geoff Kabush, who after an early flat or something at Star
> Crossed, was seen taking "hand-ups" in the beer garden as he rode out
> the race.
>
> Anyone want to explain why, however, Boules has an alcohol prohibition?
> I don't see Bocce pulling that sort of thing. The French should know
> better!
As in archery they want to prevent the tragedy of
a wayward missile. Can you imagine the carnage
should a boule find its way into the spectators?
They would be falling over like ... well, like
things that fall over a lot.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 20:30:07
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: new question
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"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote in message
news:rcousine-059EA0.19020305112007@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> In article <UISdndc_sLF1NrLanZ2dnUVZ_tmhnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> "Frank Drackman" <frankdrack@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> <bikinglynda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1194285073.783129.286760@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> >I am training hard to race next year and I even talked to my boss
>> > about time off to do some of the bigger races I read about in those
>> > links you posted for me, like the Altoona one. but now I leanred
>> > about something else. it seems they do a lot of drug testing in this
>> > sport, so I wonder if the homopathic medicine I take for my allergies
>> > will be a problem. Can someone tell me. I have to take it so what
>> > would I do?
>> >
>> > LYNDA
>>
>> http://www.wada-ama.org/en/prohibitedlist.ch2
>
> Never mind homeopathic preparations, I of course went straight to the
> alcohol proscriptions.
>
> http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/document/2007_List_En.pdf
> (page 10)
>
> Good news! Alcohol is prohibited only for in-competition use, and only
> in a very restricted set of sports.
>
> Alcohol (ethanol) is prohibited in-competition only, in the following
> sports. Detection will be conducted by analysis of breath and/or blood.
> The doping violation threshold (haematological values) for each
> Federation is reported in parenthesis.
>
> € Aeronautic (FAI) (0.20 g/L)
> € Archery (FITA, IPC) (0.10 g/L)
> € Automobile (FIA) (0.10 g/L)
> € Boules (CMSB, (0.10 g/L)
> IPC bowls)
> € Karate (WKF) (0.10 g/L)
> € Modern Pentathlon (UIPM) (0.10 g/L)
> for disciplines involving shooting
> € Motorcycling (FIM) (0.10 g/L)
> € Powerboating (UIM) (0.30 g/L)
>
> If I've calculated correctly, these are very low thresholds for alcohol.
> The famous .08 standard, widely used as the threshold of legal
> intoxication, is 0.80 g/L. It's fun to speculate on why powerboaters are
> allowed to be a little more drunk than pilots, who can be a bit more
> drunk than karate fighters (clearly, it's banned there due to the
> dreaded "drunken master" style).
>
> Notably, cycling isn't on the list! Woo hoo! Cyclocross is saved! And
> notably, Geoff Kabush, who after an early flat or something at Star
> Crossed, was seen taking "hand-ups" in the beer garden as he rode out
> the race.
>
We had a cross race a few weeks ago in a park that was being strictly
enforced with a no alcohol policy. Many communications were sent out not to
bring any and it was highly stressed at the event that any alcohol use would
automatically stop us from using the park in the future.
I think that we made it but it was close. So many riders are used to
drinking beer at cross races.
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 08:45:42
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: new question
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Frank Drackman wrote:
> it was highly stressed at the event that any alcohol use would
> automatically stop us from using the park in the future.
Why?!
1. Pour in plastic or paper cups.
2. Have a ground clean-up crew for after the race.
3. Arrange to be in the vicinity of good public tranportation or hire
some extra coaches yourself.
4. Perhaps announce breath tests at the car park after the event.
And don't forget to only sell beer in spots that also sell bratwurst
and burgers. It helps you, it helps them.
--
E. Dronkert
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Date: 06 Nov 2007 07:43:13
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: new question
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"Ewoud Dronkert" <firstname@lastname.net.invalid > wrote in message
news:cg60j3h3pemvq5ako8fc3a1mt7eg0rkd57@4ax.com...
> Frank Drackman wrote:
>> it was highly stressed at the event that any alcohol use would
>> automatically stop us from using the park in the future.
>
> Why?!
I have no idea, the park department made the rules. They had law
enforcement at the park to make sure that the rules were being followed.
It is a big park that has multiple uses and there were other events going on
that had to follow the same rules.
>
> 1. Pour in plastic or paper cups.
> 2. Have a ground clean-up crew for after the race.
> 3. Arrange to be in the vicinity of good public tranportation or hire
> some extra coaches yourself.
> 4. Perhaps announce breath tests at the car park after the event.
>
> And don't forget to only sell beer in spots that also sell bratwurst
> and burgers. It helps you, it helps them.
>
>
> --
> E. Dronkert
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 18:13:56
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: new question
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In article <1194285073.783129.286760@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >,
bikinglynda@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am training hard to race next year and I even talked to my boss
> about time off to do some of the bigger races I read about in those
> links you posted for me, like the Altoona one. but now I leanred
> about something else. it seems they do a lot of drug testing in this
> sport, so I wonder if the homopathic medicine I take for my allergies
> will be a problem. Can someone tell me. I have to take it so what
> would I do?
>
> LYNDA
Here's a hint: normal homeopathic preparations are so extensively
diluted that you are essentially consuming unmeasurably small numbers of
the putative compound.
So you have nothing to worry about from the drug test.
The part where you think you have to take this stuff, well, that's
another story.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 13:22:07
From: xzzy
Subject: Re: new question
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what I did was have myself drug tested so I would know for sure that they
did not have anything bad in them.
"Ryan Cousineau" <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote in message
news:rcousine-BF419A.10135405112007@[74.223.185.199.nw.nuvox.net]...
> In article <1194285073.783129.286760@z9g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> bikinglynda@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> I am training hard to race next year and I even talked to my boss
>> about time off to do some of the bigger races I read about in those
>> links you posted for me, like the Altoona one. but now I leanred
>> about something else. it seems they do a lot of drug testing in this
>> sport, so I wonder if the homopathic medicine I take for my allergies
>> will be a problem. Can someone tell me. I have to take it so what
>> would I do?
>>
>> LYNDA
>
> Here's a hint: normal homeopathic preparations are so extensively
> diluted that you are essentially consuming unmeasurably small numbers of
> the putative compound.
>
> So you have nothing to worry about from the drug test.
>
> The part where you think you have to take this stuff, well, that's
> another story.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
> "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
> Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
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Date: 05 Nov 2007 09:57:38
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: new question
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On Nov 5, 9:51 am, bikingly...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I am training hard to race next year and I even talked to my boss
> about time off to do some of the bigger races I read about in those
> links you posted for me, like the Altoona one. but now I leanred
> about something else. it seems they do a lot of drug testing in this
> sport, so I wonder if the homopathic medicine I take for my allergies
> will be a problem. Can someone tell me. I have to take it so what
> would I do?
First I need a list of all the things you put in your body. Thanks.
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