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Date: 17 Feb 2007 07:44:48
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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By EDWARD WYATT
New York Times
February 17, 2007
LOS ANGELES, Feb. 16 — In only its second year, the Tour of California,
which begins Sunday in San Francisco, has become the country’s most
important professional cycling event, attracting more than 1 million
spectators last year and a field of riders this year that ranks as the
strongest ever assembled for a race in the United States.
But the issue of performance-enhancing drugs hovers over the sport of
cycling, and over the race.
Last year’s winner, Floyd Landis, will not compete this year as he
battles allegations that he used synthetic testosterone while winning
the Tour de France last summer.
And now, organizers of the Tour of California, who boasted after last
year’s race that no riders tested positive for banned substances, have
acknowledged that riders were not tested for what has become the sport’s
most abused drug — the blood booster known as EPO.
That failure is more surprising because the lead sponsor of the Tour of
California is Amgen, the California biotechnology company that produces
the genetically engineered version of EPO, which is sold priily to
help cancer and dialysis patients battle anemia.
A spokeswoman at Amgen, which had keted its sponsorship as a way to
educate people against improper use of its drug, expressed outrage at
the failure to test for it, saying that the company had been repeatedly
assured last year that EPO testing was done.
The spokeswoman, y Klem, said that when Amgen executives were
informed of the oversight, they were angry and surprised. “Our
understanding going into the race was that the test would be included,”
Klem said. “And we were told afterward that no rider tested positive for
EPO or for any banned substances.”
This year, the organizers of the race have agreed to test riders for EPO.
But how a sport battling a reputation for cheating among its athletes
could have left such a gaping hole in its drug enforcement regimen
raised serious questions about its ability to convince fans, sponsors
and participants that the sport was clean and that riders were competing
based on natural ability.
Professional cycling has been battered for years by doping allegations.
Last year, several top riders were barred from the Tour de France after
their names surfaced in a drug investigation in Spain.
Despite the doping concerns, the sport’s popularity has continued to
grow in the United States, which could be its most lucrative ket.
This year’s Tour of California is expected to draw large crowds as it
travels 640 miles through central California and down the coast to Long
Beach.
The race has received the highest rating for an event outside Europe
from the International Cycling Union, the sport’s governing body.
The field, with 18 teams of eight riders each, includes many of the top
teams and riders from Europe and the United States.
Among them are the reigning world champions in road racing and the time
trial, Paolo Bettini, the Italian rider for the Belgian team Quick
Step-Innergetic, and Fabian Cancellara, the Swiss rider for the Danish
team CSC.
Top American riders competing include George Hincapie, the current
American road-racing champion, of the Discovery Channel team; and Dave
Zabriskie, of CSC, who finished second in last year’s Tour of California.
Professional riders are subject to year-round unannounced drug tests, as
well as tests at races. As it did last year, the Tour of California will
test four riders each day, including the winner of each day’s stage, the
overall leader of the race and two riders selected at random from the
144 riders scheduled to start the event.
It is not clear who made the decision not to test riders for EPO during
the Tour of California last year, or whether it was merely an oversight.
Executives at AEG, the company that organizes the race, and officials at
USA Cycling, the sport’s governing body in the United States, said in
interviews this week that doping controls were the responsibility of the
International Cycling Union, which sanctions major races and is known by
its French abbreviation, U.C.I.
Sean Petty, the chief operating officer of USA Cycling, said that his
organization and AEG began talking to the U.C.I. in October about plans
for the 2007 race.
During their review of last year’s event, he said, it became apparent
that the daily tests of riders did not include screening for EPO.
Calling the revelation “a big disappointment to Amgen,” Klem, the Amgen
spokeswoman, said, “We made clear that if Amgen was going to continue to
be a sponsor of the race, it needed to be a clean race and EPO had to be
tested for.”
Officials at the U.C.I., which is based in Switzerland, could not be
reached for comment by telephone on Friday and did not respond to e-mail
messages.
Michael Roth, a spokesman at AEG, said the race organizers last year
adopted the standards and protocol for drug testing prescribed by the U.C.I.
He said that AEG did not know that EPO was not part of the standard
test, but that the company asked for it to be included this year.
Roth said that the organizers of the race would bear the cost of the
extra test, about $400 for each urine sample, or $1,600 for each of the
race’s eight days.
That roughly doubles the cost of drug testing for the event, but it also
represents a cost that would probably not be prohibitive for a race in
which sponsors put up hundreds of thousands of dollars.
One cycling team director said the fact that racers at the Tour of
California were not tested for EPO did not mean that riders could have
gotten away with doping.
Jonathan Vaughters, the racing director for Team Slipstream, which is
riding in the race, said that because professional riders are subject to
out-of-competition testing at any time, they could have been tested
before last year’s race.
“The threat of testing is the deterrent,” he said.
Nevertheless, Klem said Amgen still wants the testing done.
“If somebody’s using EPO in the race, we want to know it,” she said. “At
least we know going into this year’s race that we will.”
(Juliet Macur contributed reporting from New York)
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 13:26:39
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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On Feb 19, 4:04 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
> <1171813215.157575.31...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 17, 11:11 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > On Feb 17, 4:58 pm, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 17, 7:44 am, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > By EDWARD WYATT
> > > > > New York Times
> > > > > February 17, 2007
>
> > > > > LOS ANGELES, Feb. 16 - In only its second year, the Tour of California,
> > > > > which begins Sunday in San Francisco, has become the country's most
> > > > > important professional cycling event, attracting more than 1 million
> > > > > spectators last year and a field of riders this year that ranks as the
> > > > > strongest ever assembled for a race in the United States.
>
> > > > > But the issue of performance-enhancing drugs hovers over the sport of
> > > > > cycling, and over the race.
>
> > > > dumbass,
>
> > > > this illustrates the stupidity of the cycling bosses and their lack of
> > > > PR skills.
>
> > > > it's a matter of appeasement. apparently four EPO tests a day, tests
> > > > which aren't an efficient way to catch EPO abusers anyway is enough to
> > > > appease the sponsor that the field is EPO free.
>
> > > Dumbass -
>
> > > It'll at least convince me that the winner is EPO free if they tested
> > > every day.
>
> > > The 4 test thing works to an extent. I was road manager for a stage
> > > race ~5 years ago and soon after the start, the word came over the
> > > organization radio channel that the top 3 would be tested along with a
> > > random # which they announced.
>
> > > The random # was from a big, very successful team and she dropped out
> > > with a "mechanical" at the first hill. Hmmmm. The riders who had been
> > > destroying everyone for the first month of that year mysteriously were
> > > not able to hold the pace on the climb and the top three places were
> > > taken by underdogs.
>
> > > The fourth place finisher took over the race lead (that was the third
> > > stage). Unfortunately, there was no testing the next day and the race
> > > reverted to form. A couple of the usual suspects rode away from
> > > everyone else.
>
> > > thanks,
>
> > > K. Gringioni.
>
> > dumbass,
>
> > sure, but also in the case of EPO it is apparent a lot of abusers
> > don't get caught by the testing. wiretaps and raids seem like a more
> > efficient way to nab dopers, at least at the protour level.
>
> > if i was a cycling boss i would require only out of competition
> > testing and no race testing. other pro sports don't have testing for
> > the winner right after the game, only cycling does.
>
> > anyone caught can be barred from competition, but you eliminate the
> > possibility that the result will be nullified by a post-race doping
> > control.
>
> > it might not catch all,or even more dopers, but cycling would avoid
> > the PR mess it's in now.
>
> No race day testing is the best way. I want to see the
> civil authorities kept out of it.
i'm not a proponent of police raids, but i am a proponent of out-of-
competition testing. i'm just pointing out that a lot of likley dopers
are identified by the police.
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Date: 18 Feb 2007 07:40:15
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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On Feb 17, 11:11 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com >
wrote:
> On Feb 17, 4:58 pm, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 17, 7:44 am, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > By EDWARD WYATT
> > > New York Times
> > > February 17, 2007
>
> > > LOS ANGELES, Feb. 16 - In only its second year, the Tour of California,
> > > which begins Sunday in San Francisco, has become the country's most
> > > important professional cycling event, attracting more than 1 million
> > > spectators last year and a field of riders this year that ranks as the
> > > strongest ever assembled for a race in the United States.
>
> > > But the issue of performance-enhancing drugs hovers over the sport of
> > > cycling, and over the race.
>
> > dumbass,
>
> > this illustrates the stupidity of the cycling bosses and their lack of
> > PR skills.
>
> > it's a matter of appeasement. apparently four EPO tests a day, tests
> > which aren't an efficient way to catch EPO abusers anyway is enough to
> > appease the sponsor that the field is EPO free.
>
> Dumbass -
>
> It'll at least convince me that the winner is EPO free if they tested
> every day.
>
> The 4 test thing works to an extent. I was road manager for a stage
> race ~5 years ago and soon after the start, the word came over the
> organization radio channel that the top 3 would be tested along with a
> random # which they announced.
>
> The random # was from a big, very successful team and she dropped out
> with a "mechanical" at the first hill. Hmmmm. The riders who had been
> destroying everyone for the first month of that year mysteriously were
> not able to hold the pace on the climb and the top three places were
> taken by underdogs.
>
> The fourth place finisher took over the race lead (that was the third
> stage). Unfortunately, there was no testing the next day and the race
> reverted to form. A couple of the usual suspects rode away from
> everyone else.
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.
dumbass,
sure, but also in the case of EPO it is apparent a lot of abusers
don't get caught by the testing. wiretaps and raids seem like a more
efficient way to nab dopers, at least at the protour level.
if i was a cycling boss i would require only out of competition
testing and no race testing. other pro sports don't have testing for
the winner right after the game, only cycling does.
anyone caught can be barred from competition, but you eliminate the
possibility that the result will be nullified by a post-race doping
control.
it might not catch all,or even more dopers, but cycling would avoid
the PR mess it's in now.
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 21:04:42
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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In article
<1171813215.157575.31620@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com >,
"amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 17, 11:11 pm, "Kurgan Gringioni" <kgringi...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Feb 17, 4:58 pm, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 17, 7:44 am, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > By EDWARD WYATT
> > > > New York Times
> > > > February 17, 2007
> >
> > > > LOS ANGELES, Feb. 16 - In only its second year, the Tour of California,
> > > > which begins Sunday in San Francisco, has become the country's most
> > > > important professional cycling event, attracting more than 1 million
> > > > spectators last year and a field of riders this year that ranks as the
> > > > strongest ever assembled for a race in the United States.
> >
> > > > But the issue of performance-enhancing drugs hovers over the sport of
> > > > cycling, and over the race.
> >
> > > dumbass,
> >
> > > this illustrates the stupidity of the cycling bosses and their lack of
> > > PR skills.
> >
> > > it's a matter of appeasement. apparently four EPO tests a day, tests
> > > which aren't an efficient way to catch EPO abusers anyway is enough to
> > > appease the sponsor that the field is EPO free.
> >
> > Dumbass -
> >
> > It'll at least convince me that the winner is EPO free if they tested
> > every day.
> >
> > The 4 test thing works to an extent. I was road manager for a stage
> > race ~5 years ago and soon after the start, the word came over the
> > organization radio channel that the top 3 would be tested along with a
> > random # which they announced.
> >
> > The random # was from a big, very successful team and she dropped out
> > with a "mechanical" at the first hill. Hmmmm. The riders who had been
> > destroying everyone for the first month of that year mysteriously were
> > not able to hold the pace on the climb and the top three places were
> > taken by underdogs.
> >
> > The fourth place finisher took over the race lead (that was the third
> > stage). Unfortunately, there was no testing the next day and the race
> > reverted to form. A couple of the usual suspects rode away from
> > everyone else.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > K. Gringioni.
>
>
> dumbass,
>
> sure, but also in the case of EPO it is apparent a lot of abusers
> don't get caught by the testing. wiretaps and raids seem like a more
> efficient way to nab dopers, at least at the protour level.
>
> if i was a cycling boss i would require only out of competition
> testing and no race testing. other pro sports don't have testing for
> the winner right after the game, only cycling does.
>
> anyone caught can be barred from competition, but you eliminate the
> possibility that the result will be nullified by a post-race doping
> control.
>
> it might not catch all,or even more dopers, but cycling would avoid
> the PR mess it's in now.
No race day testing is the best way. I want to see the
civil authorities kept out of it.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 20:11:49
From: Kurgan Gringioni
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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On Feb 17, 4:58 pm, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Feb 17, 7:44 am, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
> > By EDWARD WYATT
> > New York Times
> > February 17, 2007
>
> > LOS ANGELES, Feb. 16 - In only its second year, the Tour of California,
> > which begins Sunday in San Francisco, has become the country's most
> > important professional cycling event, attracting more than 1 million
> > spectators last year and a field of riders this year that ranks as the
> > strongest ever assembled for a race in the United States.
>
> > But the issue of performance-enhancing drugs hovers over the sport of
> > cycling, and over the race.
>
> dumbass,
>
> this illustrates the stupidity of the cycling bosses and their lack of
> PR skills.
>
> it's a matter of appeasement. apparently four EPO tests a day, tests
> which aren't an efficient way to catch EPO abusers anyway is enough to
> appease the sponsor that the field is EPO free.
Dumbass -
It'll at least convince me that the winner is EPO free if they tested
every day.
The 4 test thing works to an extent. I was road manager for a stage
race ~5 years ago and soon after the start, the word came over the
organization radio channel that the top 3 would be tested along with a
random # which they announced.
The random # was from a big, very successful team and she dropped out
with a "mechanical" at the first hill. Hmmmm. The riders who had been
destroying everyone for the first month of that year mysteriously were
not able to hold the pace on the climb and the top three places were
taken by underdogs.
The fourth place finisher took over the race lead (that was the third
stage). Unfortunately, there was no testing the next day and the race
reverted to form. A couple of the usual suspects rode away from
everyone else.
thanks,
K. Gringioni.
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Date: 18 Feb 2007 07:09:54
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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On 17 Feb 2007 20:11:49 -0800, "Kurgan Gringioni"
<kgringioni@hotmail.com > wrote:
>The 4 test thing works to an extent. I was road manager for a stage
>race ~5 years ago and soon after the start, the word came over the
>organization radio channel that the top 3 would be tested along with a
>random # which they announced.
>
>The random # was from a big, very successful team and she dropped out
>with a "mechanical" at the first hill. Hmmmm. The riders who had been
>destroying everyone for the first month of that year mysteriously were
>not able to hold the pace on the climb and the top three places were
>taken by underdogs.
Dumbass, that's right.
I can't find my original stuff about this, but AMH's comment in this
thread is a similar story:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.racing/browse_frm/thread/8adf0ca06672a48c/9338b11b979bf53a#9338b11b979bf53a
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Date: 18 Feb 2007 06:59:45
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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Kurgan Gringioni wrote:
> On Feb 17, 4:58 pm, "amit.gh...@gmail.com" <amit.gh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 17, 7:44 am, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>By EDWARD WYATT
>>>New York Times
>>>February 17, 2007
>>
>>>LOS ANGELES, Feb. 16 - In only its second year, the Tour of California,
>>>which begins Sunday in San Francisco, has become the country's most
>>>important professional cycling event, attracting more than 1 million
>>>spectators last year and a field of riders this year that ranks as the
>>>strongest ever assembled for a race in the United States.
>>
>>>But the issue of performance-enhancing drugs hovers over the sport of
>>>cycling, and over the race.
>>
>>dumbass,
>>
>>this illustrates the stupidity of the cycling bosses and their lack of
>>PR skills.
>>
>>it's a matter of appeasement. apparently four EPO tests a day, tests
>>which aren't an efficient way to catch EPO abusers anyway is enough to
>>appease the sponsor that the field is EPO free.
>
>
>
>
> Dumbass -
>
>
> It'll at least convince me that the winner is EPO free if they tested
> every day.
>
> The 4 test thing works to an extent. I was road manager for a stage
> race ~5 years ago and soon after the start, the word came over the
> organization radio channel that the top 3 would be tested along with a
> random # which they announced.
>
> The random # was from a big, very successful team and she dropped out
> with a "mechanical" at the first hill. Hmmmm. The riders who had been
> destroying everyone for the first month of that year mysteriously were
> not able to hold the pace on the climb and the top three places were
> taken by underdogs.
>
> The fourth place finisher took over the race lead (that was the third
> stage). Unfortunately, there was no testing the next day and the race
> reverted to form. A couple of the usual suspects rode away from
> everyone else.
>
>
> thanks,
>
> K. Gringioni.
>
Dude,
Women don't dope. Maybe one or two, but most don't and definitely not
the top 3 in any given stage race.
Thanks,
Magilla
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 16:58:24
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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On Feb 17, 7:44 am, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com > wrote:
> By EDWARD WYATT
> New York Times
> February 17, 2007
>
> LOS ANGELES, Feb. 16 - In only its second year, the Tour of California,
> which begins Sunday in San Francisco, has become the country's most
> important professional cycling event, attracting more than 1 million
> spectators last year and a field of riders this year that ranks as the
> strongest ever assembled for a race in the United States.
>
> But the issue of performance-enhancing drugs hovers over the sport of
> cycling, and over the race.
dumbass,
this illustrates the stupidity of the cycling bosses and their lack of
PR skills.
it's a matter of appeasement. apparently four EPO tests a day, tests
which aren't an efficient way to catch EPO abusers anyway is enough to
appease the sponsor that the field is EPO free.
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 19:22:57
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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In article
<1171760304.467061.225190@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >
,
"amit.ghosh@gmail.com" <amit.ghosh@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Feb 17, 7:44 am, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:
> > By EDWARD WYATT
> > New York Times
> > February 17, 2007
> >
> > LOS ANGELES, Feb. 16 - In only its second year, the Tour of California,
> > which begins Sunday in San Francisco, has become the country's most
> > important professional cycling event, attracting more than 1 million
> > spectators last year and a field of riders this year that ranks as the
> > strongest ever assembled for a race in the United States.
> >
> > But the issue of performance-enhancing drugs hovers over the sport of
> > cycling, and over the race.
>
> dumbass,
>
> this illustrates the stupidity of the cycling bosses and their lack of
> PR skills.
>
> it's a matter of appeasement. apparently four EPO tests a day, tests
> which aren't an efficient way to catch EPO abusers anyway is enough to
> appease the sponsor that the field is EPO free.
They're giving the field free EPO?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 16:23:33
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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On Feb 17, 7:17 pm, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com > wrote:
dumbasses in here think that every race is a
> head-to-head competition of everyone at their max. You'redelusional.
>
> Magilla
You still act like a pinhead, but you do make good points with a
little careful editing.
Bill C
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 12:54:47
From: ilan
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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On Feb 17, 6:40 pm, "ilan" <ila...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Feb 17, 1:44 pm, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
> > By EDWARD WYATT
> > New York Times
> > February 17, 2007
>
> > LOS ANGELES, Feb. 16 - In only its second year, the Tour of California,
> > which begins Sunday in San Francisco, has become the country's most
> > important professional cycling event, attracting more than 1 million
> > spectators last year and a field of riders this year that ranks as the
> > strongest ever assembled for a race in the United States.
>
> 1986 Worlds and the 1996 Olympics had stronger fields. This shows that
> the
> article contains false statements.
>
> -ilan
Oh, and 2005 worlds, though I doubt the writer is even aware that
bicycles can be raced on tracks.
-ilan
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 09:40:26
From: ilan
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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On Feb 17, 1:44 pm, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com > wrote:
> By EDWARD WYATT
> New York Times
> February 17, 2007
>
> LOS ANGELES, Feb. 16 - In only its second year, the Tour of California,
> which begins Sunday in San Francisco, has become the country's most
> important professional cycling event, attracting more than 1 million
> spectators last year and a field of riders this year that ranks as the
> strongest ever assembled for a race in the United States.
1986 Worlds and the 1996 Olympics had stronger fields. This shows that
the
article contains false statements.
-ilan
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 15:50:51
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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ilan wrote:
> On Feb 17, 1:44 pm, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:
>
>>By EDWARD WYATT
>>New York Times
>>February 17, 2007
>>
>>LOS ANGELES, Feb. 16 - In only its second year, the Tour of California,
>>which begins Sunday in San Francisco, has become the country's most
>>important professional cycling event, attracting more than 1 million
>>spectators last year and a field of riders this year that ranks as the
>>strongest ever assembled for a race in the United States.
>
>
> 1986 Worlds and the 1996 Olympics had stronger fields. This shows that
> the
> article contains false statements.
>
> -ilan
>
75% of the pros at this race including guys like Basso and Bettini are
just racing for training. It's really a meaningless race.
Magilla
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 22:58:33
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote in message
news:BvecnVu7us0x90rYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
> 75% of the pros at this race including guys like Basso and Bettini are
> just racing for training. It's really a meaningless race.
You really are a meaningless poster aren't you?
So I suppose Paris- Nice is a meaningless race because MOST of the riders
there are just doing it for training.
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 19:17:48
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
> news:BvecnVu7us0x90rYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
>>75% of the pros at this race including guys like Basso and Bettini are
>>just racing for training. It's really a meaningless race.
>
>
> You really are a meaningless poster aren't you?
>
> So I suppose Paris- Nice is a meaningless race because MOST of the riders
> there are just doing it for training.
>
>
Correct. All you dumbasses in here think that every race is a
head-to-head competition of everyone at their max. You're all delusional.
Magilla
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 19:21:45
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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In article <GuOcndvs-r-xBkrYUSdV9g@ptd.net >,
MagillaGorilla <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> > "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:BvecnVu7us0x90rYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> >
> >>75% of the pros at this race including guys like Basso and Bettini are
> >>just racing for training. It's really a meaningless race.
> >
> >
> > You really are a meaningless poster aren't you?
> >
> > So I suppose Paris- Nice is a meaningless race because MOST of the riders
> > there are just doing it for training.
> >
> >
>
>
> Correct. All you dumbasses in here think that every race is a
> head-to-head competition of everyone at their max. You're all delusional.
Some of us know that some of those riders will pull out
the stops to win. And that some of the riders not going
for the win will work to help the team. It is called
stage racing. Read up on it.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 18 Feb 2007 06:56:38
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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Michael Press wrote:
> In article <GuOcndvs-r-xBkrYUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
> MagillaGorilla <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:BvecnVu7us0x90rYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>75% of the pros at this race including guys like Basso and Bettini are
>>>>just racing for training. It's really a meaningless race.
>>>
>>>
>>>You really are a meaningless poster aren't you?
>>>
>>>So I suppose Paris- Nice is a meaningless race because MOST of the riders
>>>there are just doing it for training.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Correct. All you dumbasses in here think that every race is a
>>head-to-head competition of everyone at their max. You're all delusional.
>
>
> Some of us know that some of those riders will pull out
> the stops to win. And that some of the riders not going
> for the win will work to help the team. It is called
> stage racing. Read up on it.
>
You're delusional. Basso and Bettini at this race is like Vinokourov at
San Francisco or Cipollini at the Vuelta. It's just a vacation for
them. I know you can't accept that, but it's the truth.
Thanks,
Magilla
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Date: 18 Feb 2007 19:42:09
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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In article <MY2dnVDO3ohqo0XYUSdV9g@ptd.net >,
MagillaGorilla <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
>
> > In article <GuOcndvs-r-xBkrYUSdV9g@ptd.net>,
> > MagillaGorilla <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:BvecnVu7us0x90rYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>75% of the pros at this race including guys like Basso and Bettini are
> >>>>just racing for training. It's really a meaningless race.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>You really are a meaningless poster aren't you?
> >>>
> >>>So I suppose Paris- Nice is a meaningless race because MOST of the riders
> >>>there are just doing it for training.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>Correct. All you dumbasses in here think that every race is a
> >>head-to-head competition of everyone at their max. You're all delusional.
> >
> >
> > Some of us know that some of those riders will pull out
> > the stops to win. And that some of the riders not going
> > for the win will work to help the team. It is called
> > stage racing. Read up on it.
>
> You're delusional. Basso and Bettini at this race is like Vinokourov at
> San Francisco or Cipollini at the Vuelta. It's just a vacation for
> them. I know you can't accept that, but it's the truth.
Did I say B&B will compete for the win? Delusional is
when you reply to something I did not say. You have a
reading comprehension problem.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 02:04:14
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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"Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:rubrum-5134F6.11420818022007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
>
> Did I say B&B will compete for the win? Delusional is
> when you reply to something I did not say. You have a
> reading comprehension problem.
You should have left out "reading" and you'd have centered the target.
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Date: 18 Feb 2007 00:24:29
From: ST
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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On 2/17/07 4:17 PM, in article GuOcndvs-r-xBkrYUSdV9g@ptd.net,
"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote:
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:BvecnVu7us0x90rYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>
>>> 75% of the pros at this race including guys like Basso and Bettini are
>>> just racing for training. It's really a meaningless race.
>>
>>
>> You really are a meaningless poster aren't you?
>>
>> So I suppose Paris- Nice is a meaningless race because MOST of the riders
>> there are just doing it for training.
>>
>>
>
>
> Correct. All you dumbasses in here think that every race is a
> head-to-head competition of everyone at their max. You're all delusional.
>
>
> Magilla
Not true Ass Bag!
They said it is a STRONG FIELD..... It is....
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Date: 18 Feb 2007 06:51:40
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
|
ST wrote:
> On 2/17/07 4:17 PM, in article GuOcndvs-r-xBkrYUSdV9g@ptd.net,
> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:BvecnVu7us0x90rYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>75% of the pros at this race including guys like Basso and Bettini are
>>>>just racing for training. It's really a meaningless race.
>>>
>>>
>>>You really are a meaningless poster aren't you?
>>>
>>>So I suppose Paris- Nice is a meaningless race because MOST of the riders
>>>there are just doing it for training.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Correct. All you dumbasses in here think that every race is a
>>head-to-head competition of everyone at their max. You're all delusional.
>>
>>
>>Magilla
>
>
> Not true Ass Bag!
> They said it is a STRONG FIELD..... It is....
>
It's a piss poor weak field because most if not all of the top guys are
just using this race as training. None of the Tour guys are in peak
form and are racing without any incentive to win. Bettini will not even
win a stage...and guys on Slipstream will beat him every day.
But then when Bettini does Milan San Remo, you will see the real Cricket.
Tour de California is basically Levi Leipheimer's Tour de France.
Thanks,
Magilla
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 15:16:31
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote in message
news:BvecnVu7us0x90rYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> ilan wrote:
>> On Feb 17, 1:44 pm, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:> 1986
>> Worlds and the 1996 Olympics had stronger fields. This shows that
>> the
>> article contains false statements.
>>
>> -ilan
>>
>
> 75% of the pros at this race including guys like Basso and Bettini are
> just racing for training. It's really a meaningless race.
>
> Magilla
Is this just another Virenque KOM type posting spurt for you? You don't seem
to have the fitness for RBR GC.
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 17:16:04
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
|
Carl Sundquist wrote:
>
> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
> news:BvecnVu7us0x90rYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
>> ilan wrote:
>>
>>> On Feb 17, 1:44 pm, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:>
>>> 1986 Worlds and the 1996 Olympics had stronger fields. This shows that
>>> the
>>> article contains false statements.
>>>
>>> -ilan
>>>
>>
>> 75% of the pros at this race including guys like Basso and Bettini are
>> just racing for training. It's really a meaningless race.
>>
>> Magilla
>
>
> Is this just another Virenque KOM type posting spurt for you? You don't
> seem to have the fitness for RBR GC.
I am still in yellow, Carl.
Magilla
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 16:51:55
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
|
"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote in message
news:quycnRy5YcQ540rYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>>
>>>> On Feb 17, 1:44 pm, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com> wrote:>
>>>> 1986 Worlds and the 1996 Olympics had stronger fields. This shows that
>>>> the
>>>> article contains false statements.
>>>>
>>>
>>> 75% of the pros at this race including guys like Basso and Bettini are
>>> just racing for training. It's really a meaningless race.
>>>
>>> Magilla
>>
>>
>> Is this just another Virenque KOM type posting spurt for you? You don't
>> seem to have the fitness for RBR GC.
>
>
> I am still in yellow, Carl.
>
> Magilla
Jaundiced doesn't count.
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 22:59:29
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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"Carl Sundquist" <carlsun@cox.net > wrote in message
news:hGLBh.115106$IL1.68551@newsfe13.lga...
> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
> news:quycnRy5YcQ540rYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>>
>> I am still in yellow, Carl.
>
> Jaundiced doesn't count.
He's trying to line up some EPO.
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 07:57:23
From: bdbafh
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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On Feb 17, 7:44 am, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com > copied in
bulk:
> By EDWARD WYATT
> New York Times
> February 17, 2007
<snip >
> Roth said that the organizers of the race would bear the cost of the
> extra test, about $400 for each urine sample, or $1,600 for each of the
> race's eight days.
>
Do they throw in the B sample tests for free?
-bdbafh
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 14:37:17
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote in message
news:52CdnUNAdc1dZUvYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> By EDWARD WYATT
> New York Times
> February 17, 2007
>
> And now, organizers of the Tour of California, who boasted after last year’s
> race that no riders tested positive for banned substances, have
> acknowledged that riders were not tested for what has become the sport’s
> most abused drug — the blood booster known as EPO.
Hmm, how could it be the "sport's most abused drug" when almost no one tests
positive for it? What's more, when you look at the blood statistics for the
peloton there isn't any evidence of blood boosting.
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 10:42:12
From: MagillaGorilla
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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Tom Kunich wrote:
> "MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com> wrote in message
> news:52CdnUNAdc1dZUvYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
>
>>By EDWARD WYATT
>>New York Times
>>February 17, 2007
>>
>>And now, organizers of the Tour of California, who boasted after last year’s
>>race that no riders tested positive for banned substances, have
>>acknowledged that riders were not tested for what has become the sport’s
>>most abused drug — the blood booster known as EPO.
>
>
> Hmm, how could it be the "sport's most abused drug" when almost no one tests
> positive for it? What's more, when you look at the blood statistics for the
> peloton there isn't any evidence of blood boosting.
>
>
Blood statistics? An elevated hematocrit is evidence of blood doping,
assface.
Out of all the cycling positive dope tests many were for EPO:
Sbeih
Bergman
D'Antoni
Camendzind
Heras
Jeanson
(~20% of US positives were for EPO)
Thanks,
Magilla
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 22:56:51
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
|
"MagillaGorilla" <MagillaGorilla@zoo.com > wrote in message
news:MYCcnd6AxNXIv0rYUSdV9g@ptd.net...
> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, how could it be the "sport's most abused drug" when almost no one
>> tests positive for it? What's more, when you look at the blood statistics
>> for the peloton there isn't any evidence of blood boosting.
>
> Blood statistics? An elevated hematocrit is evidence of blood doping,
> assface.
Perhaps you can tell us what "elevated" means?
> Out of all the cycling positive dope tests many were for EPO:
>
> Sbeih
> Bergman
> D'Antoni
> Camendzind
> Heras
> Jeanson
>
>
> (~20% of US positives were for EPO)
So - that - makes it the "sport's most abused drug"?
Is linguini the most abused pasta?
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 06:11:29
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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On Feb 17, 6:38 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On 17 Feb 2007 05:09:58 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonri...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >> Nevertheless, Klem said Amgen still wants the testing done.
>
> >> "If somebody's using EPO in the race, we want to know it," she said. "At
> >> least we know going into this year's race that we will."
>
> >> (Juliet Macur contributed reporting from New York)
>
> >Smooth move, repeatedly lie to one of your major sponsors over a
> >point that's critical to them. That should help the relationship
> >along.
>
> Shows tremendous confidence in the peloton and their ability to pass a test at
> an early season race doesn't it.
>
> Ron
If you are afraid of the answer, don't ask the quesion.
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 05:09:58
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
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On Feb 17, 7:44 am, MagillaGorilla <MagillaGori...@zoo.com > wrote:
> By EDWARD WYATT
> New York Times
> February 17, 2007
>
> LOS ANGELES, Feb. 16 - In only its second year, the Tour of California,
> which begins Sunday in San Francisco, has become the country's most
> important professional cycling event, attracting more than 1 million
> spectators last year and a field of riders this year that ranks as the
> strongest ever assembled for a race in the United States.
>
> But the issue of performance-enhancing drugs hovers over the sport of
> cycling, and over the race.
>
> Last year's winner, Floyd Landis, will not compete this year as he
> battles allegations that he used synthetic testosterone while winning
> the Tour de France last summer.
>
> And now, organizers of the Tour of California, who boasted after last
> year's race that no riders tested positive for banned substances, have
> acknowledged that riders were not tested for what has become the sport's
> most abused drug - the blood booster known as EPO.
>
> That failure is more surprising because the lead sponsor of the Tour of
> California is Amgen, the California biotechnology company that produces
> the genetically engineered version of EPO, which is sold priily to
> help cancer and dialysis patients battle anemia.
>
> A spokeswoman at Amgen, which had keted its sponsorship as a way to
> educate people against improper use of its drug, expressed outrage at
> the failure to test for it, saying that the company had been repeatedly
> assured last year that EPO testing was done.
>
> The spokeswoman, y Klem, said that when Amgen executives were
> informed of the oversight, they were angry and surprised. "Our
> understanding going into the race was that the test would be included,"
> Klem said. "And we were told afterward that no rider tested positive for
> EPO or for any banned substances."
>
> This year, the organizers of the race have agreed to test riders for EPO.
>
> But how a sport battling a reputation for cheating among its athletes
> could have left such a gaping hole in its drug enforcement regimen
> raised serious questions about its ability to convince fans, sponsors
> and participants that the sport was clean and that riders were competing
> based on natural ability.
>
> Professional cycling has been battered for years by doping allegations.
> Last year, several top riders were barred from the Tour de France after
> their names surfaced in a drug investigation in Spain.
>
> Despite the doping concerns, the sport's popularity has continued to
> grow in the United States, which could be its most lucrative ket.
> This year's Tour of California is expected to draw large crowds as it
> travels 640 miles through central California and down the coast to Long
> Beach.
>
> The race has received the highest rating for an event outside Europe
> from the International Cycling Union, the sport's governing body.
>
> The field, with 18 teams of eight riders each, includes many of the top
> teams and riders from Europe and the United States.
>
> Among them are the reigning world champions in road racing and the time
> trial, Paolo Bettini, the Italian rider for the Belgian team Quick
> Step-Innergetic, and Fabian Cancellara, the Swiss rider for the Danish
> team CSC.
>
> Top American riders competing include George Hincapie, the current
> American road-racing champion, of the Discovery Channel team; and Dave
> Zabriskie, of CSC, who finished second in last year's Tour of California.
>
> Professional riders are subject to year-round unannounced drug tests, as
> well as tests at races. As it did last year, the Tour of California will
> test four riders each day, including the winner of each day's stage, the
> overall leader of the race and two riders selected at random from the
> 144 riders scheduled to start the event.
>
> It is not clear who made the decision not to test riders for EPO during
> the Tour of California last year, or whether it was merely an oversight.
> Executives at AEG, the company that organizes the race, and officials at
> USA Cycling, the sport's governing body in the United States, said in
> interviews this week that doping controls were the responsibility of the
> International Cycling Union, which sanctions major races and is known by
> its French abbreviation, U.C.I.
>
> Sean Petty, the chief operating officer of USA Cycling, said that his
> organization and AEG began talking to the U.C.I. in October about plans
> for the 2007 race.
>
> During their review of last year's event, he said, it became apparent
> that the daily tests of riders did not include screening for EPO.
>
> Calling the revelation "a big disappointment to Amgen," Klem, the Amgen
> spokeswoman, said, "We made clear that if Amgen was going to continue to
> be a sponsor of the race, it needed to be a clean race and EPO had to be
> tested for."
>
> Officials at the U.C.I., which is based in Switzerland, could not be
> reached for comment by telephone on Friday and did not respond to e-mail
> messages.
>
> Michael Roth, a spokesman at AEG, said the race organizers last year
> adopted the standards and protocol for drug testing prescribed by the U.C.I.
>
> He said that AEG did not know that EPO was not part of the standard
> test, but that the company asked for it to be included this year.
>
> Roth said that the organizers of the race would bear the cost of the
> extra test, about $400 for each urine sample, or $1,600 for each of the
> race's eight days.
>
> That roughly doubles the cost of drug testing for the event, but it also
> represents a cost that would probably not be prohibitive for a race in
> which sponsors put up hundreds of thousands of dollars.
>
> One cycling team director said the fact that racers at the Tour of
> California were not tested for EPO did not mean that riders could have
> gotten away with doping.
>
> Jonathan Vaughters, the racing director for Team Slipstream, which is
> riding in the race, said that because professional riders are subject to
> out-of-competition testing at any time, they could have been tested
> before last year's race.
>
> "The threat of testing is the deterrent," he said.
>
> Nevertheless, Klem said Amgen still wants the testing done.
>
> "If somebody's using EPO in the race, we want to know it," she said. "At
> least we know going into this year's race that we will."
>
> (Juliet Macur contributed reporting from New York)
Smooth move, repeatedly lie to one of your major sponsors over a
point that's critical to them. That should help the relationship
along.
Bill C
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Date: 17 Feb 2007 08:38:25
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: no EPO Test at Tour of California
|
On 17 Feb 2007 05:09:58 -0800, "Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote:
>> Nevertheless, Klem said Amgen still wants the testing done.
>>
>> "If somebody's using EPO in the race, we want to know it," she said. "At
>> least we know going into this year's race that we will."
>>
>> (Juliet Macur contributed reporting from New York)
>
>Smooth move, repeatedly lie to one of your major sponsors over a
>point that's critical to them. That should help the relationship
>along.
Shows tremendous confidence in the peloton and their ability to pass a test at
an early season race doesn't it.
Ron
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