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Date: 30 May 2007 11:06:26
From: bidon jaune
Subject: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and sestriere
in 1999
in 1985:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM
15 year after:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE
when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are full
and loaded of dope and that they cheat
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 19:33:22
From: hizark21@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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Well that goes without saying.
Jun 1, 3:55 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:43:00 -0700, "hizar...@yahoo.com"
>
> <hizar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Lance won the Leige Bostogne Leige.
>
> Seven times! YOU ESS AY! YOU ESS AY!
>
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 21:01:12
From: paolo
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On May 30, 7:15 pm, "Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote:
> "bidon jaune" <nce.fr> wrote in message
>
> news:465ddde6$0$21405$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-05.noos.net...
>
>
>
> > <cyclin...@gmail.com> a =E9crit dans le message de news:
> > 1180553456.596111.15...@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> >>Exactly what do you think you're looking at? LeMond was riding a 39-23
> >>with a 20 lb bike mostly in a higher gear. Lance was riding a 15 lb
> > <bike with a 38-25 or even less and spinning.
>
> > maybe, the difference is that greg remain a legend here , perhaps becau=
se
> > he was the first american to go, he was young ,clean and not snob at all
>
> Maybe you ought to think about this for a second - Greg LeMond has a red
> blood cell problem and suddenly it was fixed by a shot of iron?
>
> You are aware that at the same time EPO was becoming available?
wasn't it a shot of lead?
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 12:43:00
From: hizark21@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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There is a lot differences between Greg and Lance. Greg rode
defensively when he won his TDF's. Coversely speaking Lance was not
afraid to Launch attacks. Lemond never won any classics except by
default. Lance won the Leige Bostogne Leige. One big difference was
that Lemond was a big time whiner. We never saw this from Lance.
On May 30, 2:06 am, "bidon jaune" <t...@france.fr > wrote:
> well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and sestriere
> in 1999
>
> in 1985:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM
>
> 15 year after:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE
>
> when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are full
> and loaded of dope and that they cheat
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 18:55:02
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:43:00 -0700, "hizark21@yahoo.com"
<hizark21@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Lance won the Leige Bostogne Leige.
Seven times! YOU ESS AY! YOU ESS AY!
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Date: 02 Jun 2007 09:10:29
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:43:00 -0700, "hizark21@yahoo.com"
> <hizark21@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Lance won the Leige Bostogne Leige.
>
> Seven times! YOU ESS AY! YOU ESS AY!
>
WOW! Just like "Rocky IV"!
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 16:02:36
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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hizark21@yahoo.com wrote:
> There is a lot differences between Greg and Lance. Greg rode
> defensively when he won his TDF's. Coversely speaking Lance was not
> afraid to Launch attacks. Lemond never won any classics except by
> default. Lance won the Leige Bostogne Leige. One big difference was
> that Lemond was a big time whiner. We never saw this from Lance.
Tyler won Liège-Bastogne-Liège, LANCE took second twice. In 1994
the lead group was Berzin, LANCE, Furlan, Chiapucci, Della Santa,
and Rominger, LANCE took second.
In 1996 it was Pascal Richard, LANCE, and Mauro Gianetti at the
end. LANCE again took second.
Those are some pretty loaded riders. By 1996 LANCE was working with
the orange juice guy, so he certainly knew the score. I'm not so
sure that was the case in 1994.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 21:56:30
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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> Lance won the Leige Bostogne Leige.
Is that a fatty master criterium in Massachusetts ?
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 18:57:35
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:56:30 +0200, Donald Munro
<fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
>> Lance won the Leige Bostogne Leige.
>
>Is that a fatty master criterium in Massachusetts ?
LOL -- around 1987 someone was organizing a "classic" race in
Massachusetts called Dover-Natick. But it turned out the course was
really Dover-Natick-Dover-Natick-Dover-Natick-Dover-Natick-Dover-
Natick-Dover-Natick-Dover-Natick-Dover-Natick-Dover-Natick-
Dover-Natick-Dover.
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Date: 02 Jun 2007 11:52:22
From: Stu Fleming
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> LOL -- around 1987 someone was organizing a "classic" race in
> Massachusetts called Dover-Natick. But it turned out the course was
> really Dover-Natick-Dover-Natick-Dover-Natick-Dover-Natick-Dover-
> Natick-Dover-Natick-Dover-Natick-Dover-Natick-Dover-Natick-
> Dover-Natick-Dover.
I'll put up $50K prize money for the inaugural Intercourse - Blue Balls
- Paradise crit in Minnesota.
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 03:54:46
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On May 31, 7:22 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On 30 May 2007 23:57:58 -0700, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
> wrote:
> >Dumbasses,
>
> >Read the subject line. This thread isn't about
> >LANCE Armstrong. It is about Lace Armstrong.
> >Lace is Lance's drag-queen half-brother. He lives
> >in San Francisco and races for the DFL Cyclocross
> >team. You knew that, right?
>
> No, cross-dressers don't ride cross, they move to Canada and become mountain
> bike champions.
Cross-dressers and transsexuals aren't necessarily
the same thing. Some are just one, some are just
the other, and some are both. Also, you're misinformed
about the cyclocross:
http://www.abbiorca.com/bike/cross/cross2005/outlaw_9_21_05/best/source/outlaw_9_21_05_0418_n.html
http://www.abbiorca.com/bike/cross/index.html for more
(in the September bootleg races).
Ben
Let's face it, most of us look like bumbling idiots
while racing cross, but at least if you're cross-
dressing, you have a partial excuse.
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 00:47:44
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 03:54:46 -0000, "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org"
<bjw@mambo.ucolick.org > wrote:
>On May 31, 7:22 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>> On 30 May 2007 23:57:58 -0700, "b...@mambo.ucolick.org" <b...@mambo.ucolick.org>
>> wrote:
>> >Dumbasses,
>>
>> >Read the subject line. This thread isn't about
>> >LANCE Armstrong. It is about Lace Armstrong.
>> >Lace is Lance's drag-queen half-brother. He lives
>> >in San Francisco and races for the DFL Cyclocross
>> >team. You knew that, right?
>>
>> No, cross-dressers don't ride cross, they move to Canada and become mountain
>> bike champions.
>
>Cross-dressers and transsexuals aren't necessarily
>the same thing. Some are just one, some are just
>the other, and some are both. Also, you're misinformed
>about the cyclocross:
>
>http://www.abbiorca.com/bike/cross/cross2005/outlaw_9_21_05/best/source/outlaw_9_21_05_0418_n.html
This one wears it better:
http://www.abbiorca.com/bike/cross/cross2006/outlaw06-9-20/index.html
>http://www.abbiorca.com/bike/cross/index.html for more
>(in the September bootleg races).
>
>Ben
>Let's face it, most of us look like bumbling idiots
>while racing cross, but at least if you're cross-
>dressing, you have a partial excuse.
Great stuff!
Ron
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Date: 30 May 2007 23:57:58
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On May 30, 11:31 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com > wrote:
> Fred Fredburger <Fred.Fredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote:
> > Bob Schwartz wrote:
> > > bidon jaune wrote:
> > >> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> a =E9crit dans le
> > >>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 17:18:48 GMT, John Everett
> > >>> <jevere...@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> wrote:
>
> > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DoiCIJ2JewPE
>
> > >> it looks effectively like pantani
>
> > > That's why I always liked Ullrich. He climbed at a much
> > > lower cadence, so you knew he was clean. Not like those
> > > dirty spinners.
>
> > And he had hair. Lots of hair. Dopers are either bald or else they cut
> > their hair real short.
>
> Don't forget Mullet-Man Brochard - he had some short hair and some lon=
g, so that
> must mean he was a part-time doper.
Dumbasses,
Read the subject line. This thread isn't about
LANCE Armstrong. It is about Lace Armstrong.
Lace is Lance's drag-queen half-brother. He lives
in San Francisco and races for the DFL Cyclocross
team. You knew that, right?
Ben
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Date: 31 May 2007 10:22:52
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On 30 May 2007 23:57:58 -0700, "bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
>On May 30, 11:31 pm, Howard Kveck <YOURhow...@h-SHOESbomb.com> wrote:
>> Fred Fredburger <Fred.Fredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote:
>> > Bob Schwartz wrote:
>> > > bidon jaune wrote:
>> > >> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> a écrit dans le
>> > >>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 17:18:48 GMT, John Everett
>> > >>> <jevere...@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> wrote:
>>
>
>> > >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE
>>
>> > >> it looks effectively like pantani
>>
>> > > That's why I always liked Ullrich. He climbed at a much
>> > > lower cadence, so you knew he was clean. Not like those
>> > > dirty spinners.
>>
>> > And he had hair. Lots of hair. Dopers are either bald or else they cut
>> > their hair real short.
>>
>> Don't forget Mullet-Man Brochard - he had some short hair and some long, so that
>> must mean he was a part-time doper.
>
>Dumbasses,
>
>Read the subject line. This thread isn't about
>LANCE Armstrong. It is about Lace Armstrong.
>Lace is Lance's drag-queen half-brother. He lives
>in San Francisco and races for the DFL Cyclocross
>team. You knew that, right?
No, cross-dressers don't ride cross, they move to Canada and become mountain
bike champions.
Ron
Ron
Effect pedal demo's up at http://www.soundclick.com/ronsonicpedalry
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Date: 30 May 2007 17:59:33
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On May 30, 4:26 pm, "bidon jaune" <nce.fr > wrote:
he was young ,clean and not snob at all
Then he obviously wasn't Parisian, and you're still a jackass.
Bill C
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Date: 30 May 2007 17:57:48
From: derFahrer@gmail.com
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On May 30, 5:06 am, "bidon jaune" <t...@france.fr > wrote:
> when you see the difference it's just so obvious ...
The difference is ... in '85 we had John Tesh ... blech. He's the one
we must hold responsible for cheesy-dramatic-synth background music.
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Date: 30 May 2007 12:55:18
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On May 30, 3:30 pm, cyclin...@gmail.com wrote:
> On May 30, 11:49 am, "bidon jaune" <nce.fr> wrote:
>
> > "John Everett" <jevere...@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> a =E9crit dans=
le
> > message denews: v4cr53hneorfgnnr4vp02pmpblng4lh__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!_=
_=2E..__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD=
$z__@4ax.com...
>
> > it was too fast to be true. nobody climb the moutain like that
>
> Exactly what do you think you're looking at? LeMond was riding a 39-23
> with a 20 lb bike mostly in a higher gear. Lance was riding a 15 lb
> bike with a 38-25 or even less and spinning.
>
> What's more, Lance was a hell of a lot more professional rider than
> LeMond, not to knock Greg mind you.
there you have it folks. straight from the charlie rosen of cycling.
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Date: 30 May 2007 12:30:56
From:
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On May 30, 11:49 am, "bidon jaune" <nce.fr > wrote:
> "John Everett" <jevere...@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> a =E9crit dans le
> message denews: v4cr53hneorfgnnr4vp02pmpblng4lh__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__.=
.=2E__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$z__@4ax.com...
>
> it was too fast to be true. nobody climb the moutain like that
Exactly what do you think you're looking at? LeMond was riding a 39-23
with a 20 lb bike mostly in a higher gear. Lance was riding a 15 lb
bike with a 38-25 or even less and spinning.
What's more, Lance was a hell of a lot more professional rider than
LeMond, not to knock Greg mind you.
Anyone that believes that they can look at film coverage like that and
see something without careful analysis is fooling themselves.
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Date: 30 May 2007 22:26:12
From: bidon jaune
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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<cyclintom@gmail.com > a écrit dans le message de news:
1180553456.596111.15580@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On May 30, 11:49 am, "bidon jaune" <nce.fr > wrote:
> "John Everett" <jevere...@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> a écrit dans le
> message denews:
> v4cr53hneorfgnnr4vp02pmpblng4lh__BEGIN_MASK_n#9g02mG7!__...__END_MASK_i?a63jfAD$z__@4ax.com...
>
> it was too fast to be true. nobody climb the moutain like that
>Exactly what do you think you're looking at? LeMond was riding a 39-23
>with a 20 lb bike mostly in a higher gear. Lance was riding a 15 lb
<bike with a 38-25 or even less and spinning.
maybe, the difference is that greg remain a legend here , perhaps because he
was the first american to go, he was young ,clean and not snob at all
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Date: 31 May 2007 02:15:41
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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"bidon jaune" <nce.fr > wrote in message
news:465ddde6$0$21405$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-05.noos.net...
>
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 1180553456.596111.15580@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>Exactly what do you think you're looking at? LeMond was riding a 39-23
>>with a 20 lb bike mostly in a higher gear. Lance was riding a 15 lb
> <bike with a 38-25 or even less and spinning.
>
> maybe, the difference is that greg remain a legend here , perhaps because
> he was the first american to go, he was young ,clean and not snob at all
Maybe you ought to think about this for a second - Greg LeMond has a red
blood cell problem and suddenly it was fixed by a shot of iron?
You are aware that at the same time EPO was becoming available?
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Date: 30 May 2007 12:24:00
From:
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On May 30, 1:31 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> On Wed, 30 May 2007 17:18:48 GMT, John Everett
>
> <jevere...@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> wrote:
> >the only thing that's "so
> >obvious" is something we already knew; Lance climbed at a higher
> >cadence than just about anyone else.
>
> Pantani sometimes spun it like a fiend uphill.
>
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What is the general feeling on the ratio of "high cadence" riders in
the EPO era vs. that same ratio, say, pre-1990?
Are there more racers "spinning like fiends" now than there used to
be? I don't know much about exercise physiology or how systemic EPO
doping might actually effect cadence or racing style but is this the
basic hypothesis: EPO - > more oxygen to the muscles -> more emphasis
on spinning? Just curious...
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Date: 30 May 2007 12:08:40
From:
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On May 30, 10:24 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 30 May 2007 11:06:26 +0200, "bidon jaune" <t...@france.fr> wrote:
> >well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and sestriere
> >in 1999
>
> >in 1985:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM
>
> >15 year after:
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE
>
> >when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are full
> >and loaded of dope and that they cheat
>
> Huh? A super-domestique holding back to not drop the leader when he's in the
> break on a different mountain at a different stage in the race than the guy in
> yellow trying to nail it down shows you what, exactly?
>
> What am I supposed to see here?
>
> Sorry, you're out there with the conspirati.
>
> Ron
Come on, you don't mean that you're actually trying to put those races
into context or anything. That will spoil an otherwise fine trolling
effort by "yellow bottle".
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Date: 30 May 2007 17:18:48
From: John Everett
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 11:06:26 +0200, "bidon jaune" <t@france.fr > wrote:
>well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and sestriere
>in 1999
>
>in 1985:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM
>
>15 year after:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE
>
>
>when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are full
>and loaded of dope and that they cheat
I watched (and enjoyed) the two clips and the only thing that's "so
obvious" is something we already knew; Lance climbed at a higher
cadence than just about anyone else.
I recall a quote from Jan Ullrich a number of years ago about trying a
higher cadence and not liking it. I thought at the time, "You may have
tried it, but Lance committed to it."
--
jeverett3<AT >sbcglobal<DOT>net (John V. Everett)
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Date: 30 May 2007 20:49:21
From: bidon jaune
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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"John Everett" <jeverett3@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net > a écrit dans le
message de news: v4cr53hneorfgnnr4vp02pmpblng4lhv30@4ax.com...
it was too fast to be true. nobody climb the moutain like that
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Date: 31 May 2007 05:48:17
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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In article <465dc733$0$5462$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-07.noos.net >,
"bidon jaune" <nce.fr > wrote:
> "John Everett" <jeverett3@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> a écrit dans le
> message de news: v4cr53hneorfgnnr4vp02pmpblng4lhv30@4ax.com...
>
> it was too fast to be true. nobody climb the moutain like that
You are Antoine Vayer and I claim my five pounds.
The way you post, it's not natural either. What are you on?
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos
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Date: 31 May 2007 10:18:18
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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Ryan Cousineau wrote:
> The way you post, it's not natural either. What are you on?
Pidgin pie.
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Date: 30 May 2007 13:31:26
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 17:18:48 GMT, John Everett
<jeverett3@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net > wrote:
>the only thing that's "so
>obvious" is something we already knew; Lance climbed at a higher
>cadence than just about anyone else.
Pantani sometimes spun it like a fiend uphill.
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Date: 30 May 2007 21:17:33
From: bidon jaune
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com > a écrit dans le message
de news: u6dr53huovn3sio16a2rgisj5q16r7jnba@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 30 May 2007 17:18:48 GMT, John Everett
> <jeverett3@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> wrote:
>
>>the only thing that's "so
>>obvious" is something we already knew; Lance climbed at a higher
>>cadence than just about anyone else.
>
> Pantani sometimes spun it like a fiend uphill.
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE
it looks effectively like pantani
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Date: 30 May 2007 14:28:19
From: Bob Schwartz
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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bidon jaune wrote:
> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> a écrit dans le message
> de news: u6dr53huovn3sio16a2rgisj5q16r7jnba@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 17:18:48 GMT, John Everett
>> <jeverett3@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> wrote:
>>
>>> the only thing that's "so
>>> obvious" is something we already knew; Lance climbed at a higher
>>> cadence than just about anyone else.
>> Pantani sometimes spun it like a fiend uphill.
>>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE
>
> it looks effectively like pantani
That's why I always liked Ullrich. He climbed at a much
lower cadence, so you knew he was clean. Not like those
dirty spinners.
Bob Schwartz
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Date: 30 May 2007 22:04:35
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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Bob Schwartz wrote:
> bidon jaune wrote:
>> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> a écrit dans le
>> message de news: u6dr53huovn3sio16a2rgisj5q16r7jnba@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 17:18:48 GMT, John Everett
>>> <jeverett3@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> the only thing that's "so
>>>> obvious" is something we already knew; Lance climbed at a higher
>>>> cadence than just about anyone else.
>>> Pantani sometimes spun it like a fiend uphill.
>>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE
>>
>> it looks effectively like pantani
>
> That's why I always liked Ullrich. He climbed at a much
> lower cadence, so you knew he was clean. Not like those
> dirty spinners.
And he had hair. Lots of hair. Dopers are either bald or else they cut
their hair real short.
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Date: 31 May 2007 06:42:43
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 22:04:35 -0700, Fred Fredburger
<Fred.Fredburger@Where.Are.The.Nachos > wrote:
>And he had hair. Lots of hair. Dopers are either bald or else they cut
>their hair real short.
I don't mean to be cynical, but sometimes he had that flushed look in
his face, and you know what that means.
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Date: 31 May 2007 06:20:16
From: Steven L. Sheffield
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On 5/31/07 4:42 AM, in article ah9t53h4c7krqo0mru9lgffqe73v03o4pa@4ax.com,
"John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 30 May 2007 22:04:35 -0700, Fred Fredburger
> <Fred.Fredburger@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote:
>
>> And he had hair. Lots of hair. Dopers are either bald or else they cut
>> their hair real short.
>
> I don't mean to be cynical, but sometimes he had that flushed look in
> his face, and you know what that means.
That he was about to have an orgasm?
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Date: 30 May 2007 23:31:13
From: Howard Kveck
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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In article <0JWdneg9_qX-ysPbnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@comcast.com >,
Fred Fredburger <Fred.Fredburger@Where.Are.The.Nachos > wrote:
> Bob Schwartz wrote:
> > bidon jaune wrote:
> >> "John Forrest Tomlinson" <usenetremove@jt10000.com> a écrit dans le
> >> message de news: u6dr53huovn3sio16a2rgisj5q16r7jnba@4ax.com...
> >>> On Wed, 30 May 2007 17:18:48 GMT, John Everett
> >>> <jeverett3@sbcglobal.DEFEAT.UCE.BOTS.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> the only thing that's "so
> >>>> obvious" is something we already knew; Lance climbed at a higher
> >>>> cadence than just about anyone else.
> >>> Pantani sometimes spun it like a fiend uphill.
> >>>
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE
> >>
> >> it looks effectively like pantani
> >
> > That's why I always liked Ullrich. He climbed at a much
> > lower cadence, so you knew he was clean. Not like those
> > dirty spinners.
>
> And he had hair. Lots of hair. Dopers are either bald or else they cut
> their hair real short.
Don't forget Mullet-Man Brochard - he had some short hair and some long, so that
must mean he was a part-time doper.
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Date: 30 May 2007 07:46:53
From: amit.ghosh@gmail.com
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On May 30, 9:58 am, Fred Fredburger
<Fred.Fredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos >
> It's weird. Basso confesses and Ullrich is busted. But all anyone wants
> to talk about is a RETIRED LA and whether HE doped too.
dumbass,
it's not "all anyone" wants to talk about, it's what lafferty wants to
talk about.
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Date: 30 May 2007 19:50:58
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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amit.ghosh@gmail.com wrote:
> On May 30, 9:58 am, Fred Fredburger
> <Fred.Fredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos>
>
>> It's weird. Basso confesses and Ullrich is busted. But all anyone wants
>> to talk about is a RETIRED LA and whether HE doped too.
>
> dumbass,
>
> it's not "all anyone" wants to talk about, it's what lafferty wants to
> talk about.
>
>
Well, him and a whole bunch of posters we've never heard of before.
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Date: 30 May 2007 10:24:58
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On Wed, 30 May 2007 11:06:26 +0200, "bidon jaune" <t@france.fr > wrote:
>well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and sestriere
>in 1999
>
>in 1985:
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM
>
>15 year after:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE
>
>
>when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are full
>and loaded of dope and that they cheat
Huh? A super-domestique holding back to not drop the leader when he's in the
break on a different mountain at a different stage in the race than the guy in
yellow trying to nail it down shows you what, exactly?
What am I supposed to see here?
Sorry, you're out there with the conspirati.
Ron
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Date: 30 May 2007 07:05:55
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On May 30, 9:58 am, Fred Fredburger
<Fred.Fredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos > wrote:
>
> It's weird. Basso confesses and Ullrich is busted. But all anyone wants
> to talk about is a RETIRED LA and whether HE doped too.
Screw Lance. I really want to know if Major Taylor was a doper. Or
Mile a Minute Murphy.
I think we have to go back in time to get at the roots of doping. Did
bone-shaker riders whiff ether? Did Leonardo munch magic mushrooms
while sketching up that famous bicycle? This is _crucial_ information
if we are to combat the War on Terr...oops...War on Doping!
R
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Date: 31 May 2007 23:35:04
From: Simon Brooke
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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in message <1180533955.810875.322380@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com >,
RicodJour ('ricodjour@worldemail.com') wrote:
> On May 30, 9:58 am, Fred Fredburger
> <Fred.Fredbur...@Where.Are.The.Nachos> wrote:
>>
>> It's weird. Basso confesses and Ullrich is busted. But all anyone wants
>> to talk about is a RETIRED LA and whether HE doped too.
>
> Screw Lance. I really want to know if Major Taylor was a doper.
Ashes to ashes, funk to funky, we know Major Tom's a junkie...
--
simon@jasmine.org.uk (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
"This young man has not the faintest idea how socialists think and does
not begin to understand the mentality of the party he has been elected
to lead. He is quite simply a liberal"
-- Ken Coates MEP (Lab) of Tony Blair
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Date: 30 May 2007 06:15:53
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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On May 30, 3:06 am, "bidon jaune" <t...@france.fr > wrote:
> well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and sestriere
> in 1999
>
> in 1985:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM
>
> 15 year after:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE
>
> when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are full
> and loaded of dope and that they cheat
Yep, just like most of the european racers...in the 100+ years of the
TdF, Americans have won 11 times. Doping is not unique to any group
except 'pro' athletes.
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Date: 30 May 2007 06:58:15
From: Fred Fredburger
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> On May 30, 3:06 am, "bidon jaune" <t...@france.fr> wrote:
>> well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and sestriere
>> in 1999
>>
>> in 1985:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM
>>
>> 15 year after:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE
>>
>> when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are full
>> and loaded of dope and that they cheat
>
> Yep, just like most of the european racers...in the 100+ years of the
> TdF, Americans have won 11 times. Doping is not unique to any group
> except 'pro' athletes.
>
It's weird. Basso confesses and Ullrich is busted. But all anyone wants
to talk about is a RETIRED LA and whether HE doped too.
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Date: 30 May 2007 12:43:41
From: B. Lafferty
Subject: Re: the difference between greg lemond and lace armstrong
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"bidon jaune" <t@france.fr > wrote in message
news:465d3e94$0$4704$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-07.noos.net...
> well i just watched some video of luz Ardiden's clim in 1985 and
> sestriere in 1999
>
> in 1985:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZY9287pYZM
>
> 15 year after:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiCIJ2JewPE
>
>
> when you see the difference it's just so obvious that american now are
> full and loaded of dope and that they cheat
interesting. Thank you for posting the links.
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