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Date: 14 Jan 2007 09:54:01
From: derFahrer@gmail.com
Subject: training in Europe - help me pick
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I will have about 10 days off at the end of a work assignment in
Germany, and before returning to the US I would like to do a little
"training camp" -- basically go somewhere not rainy and reasonably warm
and ride. Varied terrain would be good (ie, some climbing). Traffic
not too crazy.
This will be the first week in ch.
Those of you in the know especially ... where would you go? Somewhere
in Italy? Spain? Southern France?
thanks
Brian
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 04:24:30
From: ilan
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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You can use the mappy.fr website to figure out distances, e.g,
Hyeres-Carpentras (Mt. Ventoux):
http://www39.mappy.com/sidNjjWkChRnd3Mn21w/CFGT?anchor=0&option=0&csl=i1%2Cv1%2Cv2%2Cv3%2Cv4%2Cv5%2Ci2&fsl=i1%2Cv1%2Cv2%2Cv3%2Cv4%2Cv5%2Ci2&gsl=i1%2Cv1%2Cv2%2Cv3%2Cv4%2Cv5%2Ci2&isl=i0&ivsl1=v1&ivsl2=v2&ivsl3=v3&ivsl4=v4&ivsl5=v5&iveh=car&isveh=sedcar&xsl=2&out=2&issl=i1&iesl=i2&wni1=&wci1=&noi1=&tci1=44201%3Ba10i1%3D&tni1=hyeres&pci1=&cci1=250&wni2=&wci2=&noi2=&tci2=42317&tni2=carpentras&pci2=&a10i2=&cci2=250&imode=0&x=15&y=14&wnv1=&wcv1=&nov1=&tnv1=&pcv1=&tcv1=&a10v1=&xv1=&yv1=&csv1=4326&ccv1=250&wnv2=&wcv2=&nov2=&tnv2=&pcv2=&tcv2=&a10v2=&xv2=&yv2=&csv2=4326&ccv2=250&wnv3=&wcv3=&nov3=&tnv3=&pcv3=&tcv3=&a10v3=&xv3=&yv3=&csv3=4326&ccv3=250&wnv4=&wcv4=&nov4=&tnv4=&pcv4=&tcv4=&a10v4=&xv4=&yv4=&csv4=4326&ccv4=250&wnv5=&wcv5=&nov5=&tnv5=&pcv5=&tcv5=&a10v5=&xv5=&yv5=&csv5=4326&ccv5=250&order=0
which gives 2 hours by car.
I am not sure how well bicycles are accepted in French hotels. My only
experience was disastrous. If you plan to spend a week in a place like
Hyeres and you have some money, you can rent an appartment, which will
avoid such issues, e.g.,
http://www.ownerdirect.com/accommodations/hyeres.htm
On the other hand, Italy has a network of bike friendly hotels which
include a locked room for bicycles, tools, and special menus for
cyclists, see http://www.italybikehotels.it/en/ The most impressive
example is this hotel in San Remo:
http://www.nyalahotel.com/uk/nyala.php
There is absolutely no equivalent in France, if you plan to take your
bike to a French hotel, you will have to check with them about their
policy. Usually, the more expensive the hotel, the better they will
accept it. However, don't plan on keeping it in your room, as you could
in the US.
-ilan
derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:
> ilan wrote:
> > There is a company that organises training camps in Hyeres, France, on
> > the Mediterranean (it is also the site of the most active velodrome in
> > France). I don't know how the camps work, but it certainly is a nice
> > place. Check out http://www.sportazur.com/
>
> that looks nice too. I'm not looking for an organized camp ... but the
> location looks good. Climbing Mt Ventoux would be cool ... their site
> mentions it but I can't tell how far it is from Hyeres.
> Brian
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 15:35:38
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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ilan wrote:
> I am not sure how well bicycles are accepted in French hotels. My only
> experience was disastrous. If you plan to spend a week in a place like
> Hyeres and you have some money, you can rent an appartment, which will
> avoid such issues, e.g.,
> http://www.ownerdirect.com/accommodations/hyeres.htm
> There is absolutely no equivalent in France, if you plan to take your
> bike to a French hotel, you will have to check with them about their
> policy. Usually, the more expensive the hotel, the better they will
> accept it. However, don't plan on keeping it in your room, as you could
> in the US.
I've been taking my bikes to hotels in France for (too) many years.
Never stayed in fancy ones but have never had any problems with the
bike. Usually they find a secure place and failing that it goes in the room.
:-)
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Date: 15 Jan 2007 10:45:45
From: derFahrer@gmail.com
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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ilan wrote:
> There is a company that organises training camps in Hyeres, France, on
> the Mediterranean (it is also the site of the most active velodrome in
> France). I don't know how the camps work, but it certainly is a nice
> place. Check out http://www.sportazur.com/
that looks nice too. I'm not looking for an organized camp ... but the
location looks good. Climbing Mt Ventoux would be cool ... their site
mentions it but I can't tell how far it is from Hyeres.
Brian
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Date: 15 Jan 2007 10:33:57
From: derFahrer@gmail.com
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
> >
> >Wherever the best quality orange juice can be found.
>
> That stuff is no more dangerous than EPO if used properly.
what's the protocol? intravenous? subcutaneous? add it to the blood
you remove the week before?
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Date: 15 Jan 2007 13:08:19
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:
> Those of you in the know especially ... where would you go? Somewhere
> in Italy? Spain? Southern France?
Wherever the best quality orange juice can be found.
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Date: 15 Jan 2007 08:46:44
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:08:19 +0200, Donald Munro
<fat-dumbass@hotmail.com > wrote:
>derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:
>> Those of you in the know especially ... where would you go? Somewhere
>> in Italy? Spain? Southern France?
>
>
>Wherever the best quality orange juice can be found.
That stuff is no more dangerous than EPO if used properly.
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 00:21:55
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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In article
<gd1nq2l4mqjucd272040piboi5h60rr6e1@4ax.com >,
John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetremove@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 13:08:19 +0200, Donald Munro
> <fat-dumbass@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Those of you in the know especially ... where would you go? Somewhere
> >> in Italy? Spain? Southern France?
> >
> >
> >Wherever the best quality orange juice can be found.
>
> That stuff is no more dangerous than EPO if used properly.
How do you know? :)
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Michael Press
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 10:36:23
From: Donald Munro
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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Donald Munro wrote:
>> >Wherever the best quality orange juice can be found.
John Forrest Tomlinson
>> That stuff is no more dangerous than EPO if used properly.
Michael Press wrote:
> How do you know? :)
Hardcore badasses do orange juice at all their training camps.
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Date: 15 Jan 2007 10:30:44
From: Bob Martin
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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in 534054 20070114 175401 "derFahrer@gmail.com" <derFahrer@gmail.com > wrote:
>I will have about 10 days off at the end of a work assignment in
>Germany, and before returning to the US I would like to do a little
>"training camp" -- basically go somewhere not rainy and reasonably warm
>and ride. Varied terrain would be good (ie, some climbing). Traffic
>not too crazy.
>
>This will be the first week in ch.
>
>Those of you in the know especially ... where would you go? Somewhere
>in Italy? Spain? Southern France?
>
>thanks
>Brian
Canaries or Madeira.
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 12:41:01
From: derFahrer@gmail.com
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> stuck above 52=CB=9AN.
I'm at 51,13 ... and it has been quite pleasant temperature-wise. if
it wasn't for the persistent wetness.
the suggestions for Spain are looking quite nice (thanks all)
Brian
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 12:39:44
From: ilan
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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There is a company that organises training camps in Hyeres, France, on
the Mediterranean (it is also the site of the most active velodrome in
France). I don't know how the camps work, but it certainly is a nice
place. Check out http://www.sportazur.com/
-ilan
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 19:46:18
From: Dan Gregory
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:
> I will have about 10 days off at the end of a work assignment in
> Germany, and before returning to the US I would like to do a little
> "training camp" -- basically go somewhere not rainy and reasonably warm
> and ride. Varied terrain would be good (ie, some climbing). Traffic
> not too crazy.
>
> This will be the first week in ch.
>
> Those of you in the know especially ... where would you go? Somewhere
> in Italy? Spain? Southern France?
Balearics (Majorca) are very popular at that time of year, and you will
find company to ride with too.
http://www.sportingtours.co.uk/training/training1.html
show some mainland spots that are popular too
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 11:07:55
From: Robert Chung
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:
> I will have about 10 days off at the end of a work assignment in
> Germany, and before returning to the US I would like to do a little
> "training camp" -- basically go somewhere not rainy and reasonably warm
> and ride. Varied terrain would be good (ie, some climbing). Traffic
> not too crazy.
>
> This will be the first week in ch.
Mallorca.
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Date: 14 Jan 2007 19:13:23
From: Ewoud Dronkert
Subject: Re: training in Europe - help me pick
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derFahrer@gmail.com wrote:
> This will be the first week in ch.
Mallorca, Illes Balears (cycling sponsor). Been there, fantastic riding.
Costa de Almería, southern Spain (erstwhile cycling sponsor). Not been
there, heard good things.
Costa Blanca between Alicante and Murcia, eastern Spain. Been there,
great riding. Can be cumbersome to avoid the main roads.
For the best chance of good weather in the first week of ch I would
not go north of, say, Genoa.
E.
stuck above 52˚N.
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E. Dronkert
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