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Date: 18 Jan 2006 18:11:18
From: river college
Subject: 99.9% of cyclists

99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
part of the road.

Date: 02 Feb 2006 16:11:00
From: oilfreeandhappy
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

jrei,
Not this cyclist. I avoid truckers at all costs - in or out of their
"tons of steel". I find that I can live a
longer, healthier life that way!
Jim
http://home.comcast.net/~oil_free_and_happy/

>Without the protection of tons of steel wrapped around you, the cyclist might just kick your ass
to hell and back!

Date: 02 Feb 2006 16:08:00
From: oilfreeandhappy
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

Charles,
Sounds like it's definitely time to get a new bike. You'd probably
enjoy biking a lot more!
I used to ride in the St. Louis area. They didn't have a lot of bike
lanes, but it was still OK,
just staying to the right. Not a lot of bike-sense by some of the
motorists though.
Jim
http://home.comcast.net/~oil_free_and_happy/

>I can no longer safely get my leg over the bar on the faithful 1979 Schwinn
Suburban because I broke my hip some years ago. I've lost a bit of
height
as I've gotten older. I was 22 at the time I bought it and it's a 23
inch
frame. Sounds like an upcoming spring project.

Date: 20 Jan 2006 07:52:26
From: gds
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

Jeff Grippe wrote:
> "gds" <gary_jill@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1137701759.217806.262520@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Jeff Grippe wrote:
> >> "river college" <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1137636678.931109.27120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> > 99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
> >> > part of the road.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Actually, where I live, White Plains, NY, the bike routes are clearly
> >> designed to kill cyclists. When I had the unfortunate experience of
> >> becoming
> >> "part of the road" I was on the official bike route. I (mistakenly) felt
> >> safe because I was on the official route. Now that the accident has made
> >> me
> >> a bit saner, I realize just how bad the bike route really is.
> >>
> >> Give me a bike route that actually protects me and I will ride in it. For
> >> the time being, however, I am going to stay as far away from the bike
> >> route
> >> as I can. At least that way I'll be safe (well, safer).
> >>
> >
> > What are you referring to? I rode in southern Westchester for ~15 years
> > and don't remember any official routes. Is this something new?
> >
> > Of course the is the heavy traffic associated with densly populated
> > areas but I actually found the entire White Plains area not too bad and
> > riding out Rte 22 north was quite nice.
> >
>
> Pay attention when you hit the White Plains city limits. You will see green
> "Bike Route" signs all over the place with arrows showing you which way to
> go. When I give you some examples you will understand.
>
> 1. Bloomingdale Road.
>
> No shoulder. The direct pathway to two malls. The indirect pathway to two
> other malls. A direct route to I287. Heavily trafficked.
>
>
> 2. Maoneck Avenue South of Bryant Avenue
>
> A shoulder for most of it but there are gaps. It was in just such a gap that
> I had my encounter.
>
>
> 3. Westchester Avenue
>
> Same problems as Bloomingdale road but even more traffic. 3 (and sometimes
> 4) lanes in each direction. Is this a place for bicycles?
>
>
> There are bike route signs all over White Plains and from a shoulder /
> traffic point of view they are consistently on the worst roads.
>
> Regarding 22 North, It is a beautiful road and I've ridden it many times.
> The club rides seem to like it quite a bit as I've often seen them. Riding
> in a group of 10-20 is a lot safer than riding alone, however. When you ride
> alone I would stay off of 22. It is heavily trafficked and for most of it
> there is no shoulder.
>
> When I was hit I was on my way home from the train station. I had been
> riding to and from the train station since May (I was hit at the end of
> October) and I felt good about the whole thing. I enjoyed the riding. I kept
> one car off the road. And finally, I was using the official bike route which
> gave me a feeling of being safe.
>
> Take a drive around White Plains and you will see the signs. At almost every
> one you will have to ask yourself "What were they thinking?"
>

Thanks for the reply! Ihaven't lived in Westchester nor ridden there
much since 1993, so I imagine that traffic patterns have changed as
development has increased. In the 80's and early 90's I rode on all
the roads you mentioned and found little problem. Of course, it m ay
also have to do with time of day and other factors. It sounds like you
are commuting which would put you in peak traffic times.

Regarding Re 22 North. It is a great road for riding. To be honest I
don't remember the shoulder situation but I rode it often and enjoyed
it. Long flat sections. rollers and furhter north some climbing made
for fun rides. I think lots of the local clubs used it a lot- mine did
for sure.

In any case southern Westchester is great riding (as soon as it warms
up;-) )

Date: 20 Jan 2006 07:52:24
From: gds
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

Date: 20 Jan 2006 07:06:52
From: white dome trail zip 94575
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

Date: 20 Jan 2006 04:45:28
From: dustoyevsky@mac.com
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

Claire Petersky wrote:

("Eric Babula" wrote):

> > But, I'm glad to see you notice my ass (someone has to, I guess),

(Claire P. responded):
> Post a picture for us girls to see. There hasn't been any beefcake around
> here since that video of Rick Onanian's bare legs.

OK, beefsteak:
http://www.robertlindstrom.com/news.php?p=10 --D-y

Date: 19 Jan 2006 14:49:43
From:
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

Have you ever tried getting out of that 18 wheeler and confronting the
cyclist face to face, you know, man to man? That might be fun. Of
course doing so could have it's down side. Without the protection of
tons of steel wrapped around you, the cyclist might just kick your ass
to hell and back!

Date: 19 Jan 2006 12:15:59
From: gds
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

Jeff Grippe wrote:
> "river college" <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1137636678.931109.27120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > 99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
> > part of the road.
> >
>
> Actually, where I live, White Plains, NY, the bike routes are clearly
> designed to kill cyclists. When I had the unfortunate experience of becoming
> "part of the road" I was on the official bike route. I (mistakenly) felt
> safe because I was on the official route. Now that the accident has made me
> a bit saner, I realize just how bad the bike route really is.
>
> Give me a bike route that actually protects me and I will ride in it. For
> the time being, however, I am going to stay as far away from the bike route
> as I can. At least that way I'll be safe (well, safer).
>

What are you referring to? I rode in southern Westchester for ~15 years
and don't remember any official routes. Is this something new?

Of course the is the heavy traffic associated with densly populated
areas but I actually found the entire White Plains area not too bad and
riding out Rte 22 north was quite nice.

Date: 20 Jan 2006 06:13:32
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

"gds" <gary_jill@msn.com > wrote in message
news:1137701759.217806.262520@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jeff Grippe wrote:
>> "river college" <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1137636678.931109.27120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > 99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
>> > part of the road.
>> >
>>
>> Actually, where I live, White Plains, NY, the bike routes are clearly
>> designed to kill cyclists. When I had the unfortunate experience of
>> becoming
>> "part of the road" I was on the official bike route. I (mistakenly) felt
>> safe because I was on the official route. Now that the accident has made
>> me
>> a bit saner, I realize just how bad the bike route really is.
>>
>> Give me a bike route that actually protects me and I will ride in it. For
>> the time being, however, I am going to stay as far away from the bike
>> route
>> as I can. At least that way I'll be safe (well, safer).
>>
>
> What are you referring to? I rode in southern Westchester for ~15 years
> and don't remember any official routes. Is this something new?
>
> Of course the is the heavy traffic associated with densly populated
> areas but I actually found the entire White Plains area not too bad and
> riding out Rte 22 north was quite nice.
>

Pay attention when you hit the White Plains city limits. You will see green
"Bike Route" signs all over the place with arrows showing you which way to
go. When I give you some examples you will understand.

1. Bloomingdale Road.

No shoulder. The direct pathway to two malls. The indirect pathway to two
other malls. A direct route to I287. Heavily trafficked.

2. Maoneck Avenue South of Bryant Avenue

A shoulder for most of it but there are gaps. It was in just such a gap that
I had my encounter.

3. Westchester Avenue

Same problems as Bloomingdale road but even more traffic. 3 (and sometimes
4) lanes in each direction. Is this a place for bicycles?

There are bike route signs all over White Plains and from a shoulder /
traffic point of view they are consistently on the worst roads.

Regarding 22 North, It is a beautiful road and I've ridden it many times.
The club rides seem to like it quite a bit as I've often seen them. Riding
in a group of 10-20 is a lot safer than riding alone, however. When you ride
alone I would stay off of 22. It is heavily trafficked and for most of it
there is no shoulder.

When I was hit I was on my way home from the train station. I had been
riding to and from the train station since May (I was hit at the end of
October) and I felt good about the whole thing. I enjoyed the riding. I kept
one car off the road. And finally, I was using the official bike route which
gave me a feeling of being safe.

Take a drive around White Plains and you will see the signs. At almost every
one you will have to ask yourself "What were they thinking?"

Jeff

Date: 21 Jan 2006 14:46:54
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:13:32 -0500, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com >
wrote:

>Pay attention when you hit the White Plains city limits. You will see green
>"Bike Route" signs all over the place with arrows showing you which way to
>go. When I give you some examples you will understand.
>
>1. Bloomingdale Road.
>
>No shoulder. The direct pathway to two malls. The indirect pathway to two
>other malls. A direct route to I287. Heavily trafficked.
>
>
>2. Maoneck Avenue South of Bryant Avenue
>
>A shoulder for most of it but there are gaps. It was in just such a gap that
>I had my encounter.
>
>
>3. Westchester Avenue
>
>Same problems as Bloomingdale road but even more traffic. 3 (and sometimes
>4) lanes in each direction. Is this a place for bicycles?
>
>
>There are bike route signs all over White Plains and from a shoulder /
>traffic point of view they are consistently on the worst roads.

In many jurisdictions, bike route signs are not to designate a
particular route as a preferred route, but to remind drivers that
there may be cyclist using the road - which means that in those
jurisdictions, bike route signs are most likely along routes commonly
used by cyclists because of the point-to-point benefits of the route,
but where the road is sub optimal for cycling.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Date: 25 Jan 2006 05:23:10
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org > wrote in message
news:ep35t195pk7vb380pcdmm0qe9ugh7eng3v@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:13:32 -0500, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Pay attention when you hit the White Plains city limits. You will see
>>green
>>"Bike Route" signs all over the place with arrows showing you which way to
>>go. When I give you some examples you will understand.
>>
>>1. Bloomingdale Road.
>>
>>No shoulder. The direct pathway to two malls. The indirect pathway to two
>>other malls. A direct route to I287. Heavily trafficked.
>>
>>
>>2. Maoneck Avenue South of Bryant Avenue
>>
>>A shoulder for most of it but there are gaps. It was in just such a gap
>>that
>>I had my encounter.
>>
>>
>>3. Westchester Avenue
>>
>>Same problems as Bloomingdale road but even more traffic. 3 (and sometimes
>>4) lanes in each direction. Is this a place for bicycles?
>>
>>
>>There are bike route signs all over White Plains and from a shoulder /
>>traffic point of view they are consistently on the worst roads.
>
> In many jurisdictions, bike route signs are not to designate a
> particular route as a preferred route, but to remind drivers that
> there may be cyclist using the road - which means that in those
> jurisdictions, bike route signs are most likely along routes commonly
> used by cyclists because of the point-to-point benefits of the route,
> but where the road is sub optimal for cycling.
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...

Fair enough. It didn't keep me from getting hit, however.

Date: 25 Jan 2006 10:06:53
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:23:10 -0500, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com >
wrote:

>> In many jurisdictions, bike route signs are not to designate a
>> particular route as a preferred route, but to remind drivers that
>> there may be cyclist using the road - which means that in those
>> jurisdictions, bike route signs are most likely along routes commonly
>> used by cyclists because of the point-to-point benefits of the route,
>> but where the road is sub optimal for cycling.
>>
>> Curtis L. Russell
>> Odenton, MD (USA)
>> Just someone on two wheels...
>
>Fair enough. It didn't keep me from getting hit, however.

Expecting a sign to keep you from getting hit is not much better than
expecting a painted line only a fraction of a millimeter high to keep
you from getting hit. I didn't say I thought the signs served a major
purpose - they are too few and too easy to ignore - just that this is
what I have heard in bike advocacy meetings in yland and in
discussions on some of the lists.

FWIW, bike lanes won't keep you from being hit either...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Date: 19 Jan 2006 15:00:49
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

"river college" <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1137636678.931109.27120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> 99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
> part of the road.
>

Actually, where I live, White Plains, NY, the bike routes are clearly
designed to kill cyclists. When I had the unfortunate experience of becoming
"part of the road" I was on the official bike route. I (mistakenly) felt
safe because I was on the official route. Now that the accident has made me
a bit saner, I realize just how bad the bike route really is.

Give me a bike route that actually protects me and I will ride in it. For
the time being, however, I am going to stay as far away from the bike route
as I can. At least that way I'll be safe (well, safer).

Jeff

Date: 19 Jan 2006 06:40:15
From: AustinMN
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

river college trolled:
> HOHOHO MERRY CHRISTMAS.

No auto groups: -9 points
No irrelevant groups: -5 points
No mention of helmets: -7 points
Inability to get point across: +3 points
Posted more than initial post: +8 points
Mentioned cyclists as roadkill: +4 points
Mentioned self as 18-wheeler: +3 points
Can't use calendar: -19 points
Got 8 replies (so far): +8 points

Negative 14 points on the Austin Troll Scale.

Better brush up on your technique.

Austin

Date: 19 Jan 2006 05:13:37
From: RicodJour
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

river college wrote:
> Mike Rice wrote:
> > On 18 Jan 2006 18:11:18 -0800, "river college"
> > <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
> > >part of the road.
> >
> > So true, but don't you mean
>
> Part of the as in roadkill . ride the bike in the bike ln. or as far to

Isn't that special. A troll who has to explain what he meant because
he couldn't understand the sarcasm in the other posts.

As Dean Wormer from Faber College said, "Fat, drunk, and stupid is no
way to go through life, son."

R

Date: 19 Jan 2006 07:02:01
From: Charles
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

"river college" <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1137636678.931109.27120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> 99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
> part of the road.
>

What saddens me is the level of bicycle education. When I was younger, a
bicycle education seminar was virtually mandatory in Illinois. What a shock
to move to Missouri and discover people riding against the traffic! Now
they do it all the time here in Illinois, too.

There aren't a lot of bike lanes up here either, and there just is not a lot
of room for bikes with several million cars on the road every morning. I'm
within riding distance of work now, so I need to get a bike I can ride. I
can no longer safely get my leg over the bar on the faithful 1979 Schwinn
Suburban because I broke my hip some years ago. I've lost a bit of height
as I've gotten older. I was 22 at the time I bought it and it's a 23 inch
frame. Sounds like an upcoming spring project.

Charles of Schaumburg

Date: 02 Feb 2006 05:30:56
From: box-bb-bb-bb-car
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

"Charles" <n5hsr@comcast.net > wrote in
news:JOydnS8WZO0TEFLeRVn-qw@comcast.com:

>
> "river college" <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1137636678.931109.27120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> 99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
>> part of the road.
>>
>
> What saddens me is the level of bicycle education. When I was
> younger, a bicycle education seminar was virtually mandatory in
> Illinois. What a shock to move to Missouri and discover people riding
> against the traffic! Now they do it all the time here in Illinois,
> too.
>
> There aren't a lot of bike lanes up here either, and there just is not
> a lot of room for bikes with several million cars on the road every
> morning. I'm within riding distance of work now, so I need to get a
> bike I can ride. I can no longer safely get my leg over the bar on
> the faithful 1979 Schwinn Suburban because I broke my hip some years
> ago. I've lost a bit of height as I've gotten older. I was 22 at
> the time I bought it and it's a 23 inch frame. Sounds like an
> upcoming spring project.
>
> Charles of Schaumburg
>
>

I rode for many years near Kankakee in Il. I rode the bike (and still do)
the same as I drive my car. I obey the lights and signs and look at every
vehicle as a threat. I have had a few that have cut me off ond one who
deliberately tried to hit me (sevral times, circling the block to do it).
The one who tried to hit me changed his toon when He came around the
blcock for another pass and found me waiting with some thing good and
solid in my hand which I used to redecorate the paint job on his vehicle.
At least in Il for the most part they do know what a shoulder is. Here in
Tennesse where I now live the shoulder consists of 6inches of pavement to
the right of the white line. Still ride it though. People are a bit more
courteous here than in the north. (Less bigotted than I have found in the
north also, despite the popular opinion)

Date: 05 Feb 2006 02:19:24
From: LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

Charles Hoser wrote:

> 99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane
> that's why they become part of the road.

99.9% of trolls don't know what the Hell they're talking about.

--
"Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much
to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)

Date: 02 Feb 2006 04:26:35
From: n5hsr
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

"box-bb-bb-bb-car" <kevin_zelhart@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:kOgEf.10591$fZ2.10118@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> "Charles" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:JOydnS8WZO0TEFLeRVn-qw@comcast.com:
>
>>
>> "river college" <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1137636678.931109.27120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> 99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
>>> part of the road.
>>>
>>
>> What saddens me is the level of bicycle education. When I was
>> younger, a bicycle education seminar was virtually mandatory in
>> Illinois. What a shock to move to Missouri and discover people riding
>> against the traffic! Now they do it all the time here in Illinois,
>> too.
>>
>> There aren't a lot of bike lanes up here either, and there just is not
>> a lot of room for bikes with several million cars on the road every
>> morning. I'm within riding distance of work now, so I need to get a
>> bike I can ride. I can no longer safely get my leg over the bar on
>> the faithful 1979 Schwinn Suburban because I broke my hip some years
>> ago. I've lost a bit of height as I've gotten older. I was 22 at
>> the time I bought it and it's a 23 inch frame. Sounds like an
>> upcoming spring project.
>>
>> Charles of Schaumburg
>>
>>
>
> I rode for many years near Kankakee in Il. I rode the bike (and still do)
> the same as I drive my car. I obey the lights and signs and look at every
> vehicle as a threat. I have had a few that have cut me off ond one who
> deliberately tried to hit me (sevral times, circling the block to do it).
> The one who tried to hit me changed his toon when He came around the
> blcock for another pass and found me waiting with some thing good and
> solid in my hand which I used to redecorate the paint job on his vehicle.
> At least in Il for the most part they do know what a shoulder is. Here in
> Tennesse where I now live the shoulder consists of 6inches of pavement to
> the right of the white line. Still ride it though. People are a bit more
> courteous here than in the north. (Less bigotted than I have found in the
> north also, despite the popular opinion)

Wow, they have white lines on the pavement in Tennessee. I lived in
Arkansas for over a decade and most of the roads didn't even have white
lines. What saved me is I went to college for 3 years and they had nice
roads that one could ride bikes on.

I was born in Chicago. There are bigots up here, and bigots in the South,
too. But there are a lot of nice people, too.

Charles of Schaumburg

Date: 20 Jan 2006 05:03:46
From: Richard B
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

"Charles" <n5hsr@comcast.net > wrote in
news:JOydnS8WZO0TEFLeRVn-qw@comcast.com:

>
> "river college" <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1137636678.931109.27120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> 99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
>> part of the road.
>>
>
> What saddens me is the level of bicycle education. When I was
> younger, a bicycle education seminar was virtually mandatory in
> Illinois. What a shock to move to Missouri and discover people riding
> against the traffic! Now they do it all the time here in Illinois,
> too.
>
> There aren't a lot of bike lanes up here either, and there just is not
> a lot of room for bikes with several million cars on the road every
> morning. I'm within riding distance of work now, so I need to get a
> bike I can ride. I can no longer safely get my leg over the bar on
> the faithful 1979 Schwinn Suburban because I broke my hip some years
> ago. I've lost a bit of height as I've gotten older. I was 22 at
> the time I bought it and it's a 23 inch frame. Sounds like an
> upcoming spring project.
>
> Charles of Schaumburg
>
>

This reminds me of an article, "Invisible Riders", in Bicycling
magazine, December 2005 (pg 46).

The article deals with the population of bicycle riders who must use
their bikes to go to work every day, sleet and snow, rain or shine;
these are mainly illegal aliens. It appears that riding on sidewalks
and against traffic is the cultural norm in Central American
countries and is considered safe.

I continually see these cyclists on the wrong side of the road on my
daily commute and it is true that nearly all of them appear to be of
Latin American descent. On the occasion when I have stopped to offer
help to fix a flat or make a repair they seem know little English.

Rich

Date: 24 Jan 2006 07:20:33
From: Charles
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

"Richard B" <blueSPAMMENOTrandonee@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:Xns9750D642C44F8bluerandoneegmailcom@216.168.3.50...
> "Charles" <n5hsr@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:JOydnS8WZO0TEFLeRVn-qw@comcast.com:
>
>>
>> "river college" <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1137636678.931109.27120@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> 99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
>>> part of the road.
>>>
>>
>> What saddens me is the level of bicycle education. When I was
>> younger, a bicycle education seminar was virtually mandatory in
>> Illinois. What a shock to move to Missouri and discover people riding
>> against the traffic! Now they do it all the time here in Illinois,
>> too.
>>
>> There aren't a lot of bike lanes up here either, and there just is not
>> a lot of room for bikes with several million cars on the road every
>> morning. I'm within riding distance of work now, so I need to get a
>> bike I can ride. I can no longer safely get my leg over the bar on
>> the faithful 1979 Schwinn Suburban because I broke my hip some years
>> ago. I've lost a bit of height as I've gotten older. I was 22 at
>> the time I bought it and it's a 23 inch frame. Sounds like an
>> upcoming spring project.
>>
>> Charles of Schaumburg
>>
>>
>
> This reminds me of an article, "Invisible Riders", in Bicycling
> magazine, December 2005 (pg 46).
>
> The article deals with the population of bicycle riders who must use
> their bikes to go to work every day, sleet and snow, rain or shine;
> these are mainly illegal aliens. It appears that riding on sidewalks
> and against traffic is the cultural norm in Central American
> countries and is considered safe.
>
> I continually see these cyclists on the wrong side of the road on my
> daily commute and it is true that nearly all of them appear to be of
> Latin American descent. On the occasion when I have stopped to offer
> help to fix a flat or make a repair they seem know little English.
>
> Rich

I've seen all sorts of people riding against traffic now up here in
Illinois. Mostly stupid kids, that aren't going to get much older if they
keep it up.

Charles of Schaumburg

Date: 19 Jan 2006 02:46:43
From: river college
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

Mike Rice wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2006 18:11:18 -0800, "river college"
> <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
> >part of the road.
>
> So true, but don't you mean

Part of the as in roadkill . ride the bike in the bike ln. or as far to

right as can get or become roadkill/part of the road ever time i
drive by a asshole biker i blow my horn hopeing they will cut
me off so i can run them over with 18 wheels.

I love to blow my horn at ass bikers horn HOHOHO MERRY CHRISTMAS.

Date: 20 Jan 2006 21:26:15
From: The Wogster
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

river college wrote:
> Mike Rice wrote:
>
>>On 18 Jan 2006 18:11:18 -0800, "river college"
>><rivercollegecon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
>>>part of the road.
>>
>>So true, but don't you mean
>
>
> Part of the as in roadkill . ride the bike in the bike ln. or as far to
>
> right as can get or become roadkill/part of the road ever time i
> drive by a asshole biker i blow my horn hopeing they will cut
> me off so i can run them over with 18 wheels.
>

Gee a trucker.... Anyone else notice the 18 wheel part?

I wonder how many linehaul (long distance) truckers find a bicycle a
very handy tool, park the rig for the night, pull out the bike, and use
that to toot around town. A lot cheaper then using the truck since gas
mileage on rigs is pretty poor (5 - 8 MPG). Good way to get some
excersize, after sitting on your donkey for 8 hours.

W

>
> I love to blow my horn at ass bikers horn HOHOHO MERRY CHRISTMAS.
>

Date: 19 Jan 2006 13:25:31
From: Eric Babula
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

"river college" <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com > wrote in
news:1137667603.623140.144970@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

>
> Mike Rice wrote:
>> On 18 Jan 2006 18:11:18 -0800, "river college"
>> <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they
>> >become part of the road.
>>
>> So true, but don't you mean
>
> Part of the as in roadkill . ride the bike in the bike ln. or as
> far to
>
> right as can get or become roadkill/part of the road ever time i
> drive by a asshole biker i blow my horn hopeing they will cut
> me off so i can run them over with 18 wheels.
>
>
> I love to blow my horn at ass bikers horn HOHOHO MERRY CHRISTMAS.
>

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying - not very clear use of the
English language.

But, I'm glad to see you notice my ass (someone has to, I guess), but
I'm not that way. I like girls.

Thanks for the consideration, though.

--
Eric Babula

Date: 19 Jan 2006 15:17:08
From: Claire Petersky
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

"Eric Babula" <ebabula@care2.com > wrote in message
news:Xns97504C9DB1BFEebabulacare2com@66.192.254.231...

> But, I'm glad to see you notice my ass (someone has to, I guess),

Post a picture for us girls to see. There hasn't been any beefcake around
here since that video of Rick Onanian's bare legs.

--
Warm Regards,

--
Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
Sponsor me for the Big Climb! See: www.active.com/donate/cpetersky06
See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

Date: 20 Jan 2006 13:43:25
From: Eric Babula
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

"Claire Petersky" <cpetersky@mouse-potato.com > wrote in
news:U3Ozf.6684$WY5.1414@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net:

> "Eric Babula" <ebabula@care2.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns97504C9DB1BFEebabulacare2com@66.192.254.231...
>
>> But, I'm glad to see you notice my ass (someone has to, I guess),
>
>
> Post a picture for us girls to see. There hasn't been any beefcake
> around here since that video of Rick Onanian's bare legs.
>

Sorry Claire - I don't make it a habit of taking pictures of my ass.
LOL! I'm pretty sure I don't have any pictures like that.

I'll see what I can do for ya, though, Claire! ;-)

--
Eric Babula
Milwaukee, Wisconsin, USA

Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention
of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body.
But rather, it�s to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up,
totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, 'Wow! What a ride!!!'

Date: 18 Jan 2006 19:53:10
From: Bob
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

Mike Rice wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2006 18:11:18 -0800, "river college"
> <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
> >part of the road.
>
> So true, but don't you mean 'one with the road'? Kinda Zen.
>
> Good of you to notice that most roads do not have bike lanes, they
> are a pain lots of the time anyway. Wide lanes and wide shoulders are
> much better than designated bike lanes, I agree 100% (a 0.1%
> improvement over your statistic, by the way).
>
> Indiana Mike

Perhaps he meant that, because 99.9% of cyclists don't use them for
their intended purpose, the bike lanes "become part of the road" to be
used for parking motor vehicles.

Regards,
Bob Hunt

Date: 19 Jan 2006 05:35:29
From: Richard B
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

"Bob" <hunrobe@aol.com > wrote in
news:1137642790.725651.57470@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com:

> Mike Rice wrote:
>> On 18 Jan 2006 18:11:18 -0800, "river college"
>> <rivercollegecon@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they
>> >become part of the road.
>>
>> So true, but don't you mean 'one with the road'? Kinda Zen.
>>
>> Good of you to notice that most roads do not have bike lanes, they
>> are a pain lots of the time anyway. Wide lanes and wide shoulders are
>> much better than designated bike lanes, I agree 100% (a 0.1%
>> improvement over your statistic, by the way).
>>
>> Indiana Mike
>
> Perhaps he meant that, because 99.9% of cyclists don't use them for
> their intended purpose, the bike lanes "become part of the road" to be
> used for parking motor vehicles.
>
> Regards,
> Bob Hunt
>

I agree with Bob, about class 2 bike lanes being a pain.

The cyclist is forced to ride in an area frequented by parked cars.
When a cyclist passes a parked car he is forced to ride in the dreaded
"DOOR ZONE."
Every driveway becomes an intersection.
A white line offers no real protection from moving vehicles.

Drivers of cars see the white line as limit to the area a bicycle can be
operated within and as evidence that they then own the road.

Get out there and take back the streets; cyclists have all the rights
and responsibilities of the operators of motor vehicles.

Rich

Date: 19 Jan 2006 02:24:50
From: Mike Rice
Subject: Re: 99.9% of cyclists

On 18 Jan 2006 18:11:18 -0800, "river college"
<rivercollegecon@yahoo.com > wrote:

>99.9% of cyclists do not ride in the bike lane that's why they become
>part of the road.

So true, but don't you mean 'one with the road'? Kinda Zen.

Good of you to notice that most roads do not have bike lanes, they
are a pain lots of the time anyway. Wide lanes and wide shoulders are
much better than designated bike lanes, I agree 100% (a 0.1%
improvement over your statistic, by the way).

Indiana Mike