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Date: 08 Feb 2005 21:59:12
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Subject: A Parting Word
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Readership,
Ed Gin relishes exhausting his opposition ... discouraging his
adversary from making further posts. When someone becomes glutted from
Ed Gin's bullshit and concludes that enough is enough, adds Ed to a
kill file and refrains from responding, Ed regards this as an act of
surrender ... an adversary vanquished ... a victory to be celebrated.
The only reason that I've not yet terminated this squabble is because
I'd rather not give Ed even that small shred of satisfaction. On the
other hand, it is the readership that pays the price. They are the
victims here. I feel that it would be selfish of me to pursue this any
longer and subject the readership to any further suffering. One thing
that I learned from past skirmishes with Ed is that responding to him
only serves to encourage him. He feeds off of responses much like a
parasite feeds off of a host organism. Someone has to be the bigger
person if this is to end. It may as well be me. Unfortunately, the
readership will not entirely be spared, as Ed will undoubtedly select
another victim. This is the nature of a parasite, in this case an
ungoverned, unscrupulous, slimy, bottom feeding troll ... an oozing
festering, canker on the hide of Internet forums.
I suspect that there are those that consider Ed Gin, Ed Dolan and
myself to be whackos. I suspect that there are those who respect me
for taking Ed Gin on. I suspect that there are also those who will
respect me for calling it quits. Unlike Ed, I've better things to do
with my time, so he's all yours folks. I'm out of here. Gee, Ed ... I
miss you already ... N O T !!!
Jim McNaa
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 17:11:06
From: Dan B.
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> Picture of an adult size "bigwheel":
> <http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/300x300k/bigwheel.jpg>.
>
> Note: Kitty not included.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth
(Aside: The Apache web server pitched me a 403 Forbidden when
attempting to hit that link directly...I had to start at the
http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/ level and work my way down.)
That's kinda fun...your work?
Dan
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 19:20:18
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Dan B. wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>
>>Picture of an adult size "bigwheel":
>><http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/300x300k/bigwheel.jpg>.
>>
>>Note: Kitty not included.
>>
>>--
>>Tom Sherman - Earth
>
>
> (Aside: The Apache web server pitched me a 403 Forbidden when
> attempting to hit that link directly...I had to start at the
> http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/ level and work my way down.)
>
> That's kinda fun...your work?
No. It is the creation of a rec.bicycles.tech regular who is also a
professional machinist.
I understand the hard part is teaching the cat to pedal. ;)
--
Tom Sherman - Earth
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 16:55:20
From: Dan B.
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Dan B. wrote:
>
> Three whole wheels? You mean, like a Big Wheel for adults? Ooooo...
> ;)
>
> Dan
Of course, three partial wheels probably wouldn't do much good, come to
think of it...
Dan
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 16:50:37
From: Dan B.
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Tom Sherman wrote:
> Dan B. wrote:
>
> > nget wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> >>Well Ed I prefer to be happy and this is how I plan on doing just
> >>that.I got a trike...I ride my trike...
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>nget
> >
> >
> > What kind of trike, if you don't mind my inquisitiveness?
>
> One with three wheels! ;)
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth
Three whole wheels? You mean, like a Big Wheel for adults? Ooooo...
;)
Dan
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 19:06:42
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Dan B. wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>>Dan B. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>nget wrote:
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>>Well Ed I prefer to be happy and this is how I plan on doing just
>>>>that.I got a trike...I ride my trike...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>nget
>>>
>>>
>>>What kind of trike, if you don't mind my inquisitiveness?
>>
>>One with three wheels! ;)
>>
>>--
>>Tom Sherman - Earth
>
>
>
> Three whole wheels? You mean, like a Big Wheel for adults? Ooooo...
> ;)
Picture of an adult size “bigwheel”:
<http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/300x300k/bigwheel.jpg >.
Note: Kitty not included.
--
Tom Sherman - Earth
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 15:28:23
From: Dan B.
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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nget wrote:
<snip >
> Well Ed I prefer to be happy and this is how I plan on doing just
> that.I got a trike...I ride my trike...
>
>
> --
> nget
What kind of trike, if you don't mind my inquisitiveness?
Dan
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 18:35:18
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Dan B. wrote:
> nget wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>Well Ed I prefer to be happy and this is how I plan on doing just
>>that.I got a trike...I ride my trike...
>>
>>
>>--
>>nget
>
>
> What kind of trike, if you don't mind my inquisitiveness?
One with three wheels! ;)
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Tom Sherman - Earth
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 12:23:51
From:
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Ed,
Taking down the newsgroup would be a daunting and an implausible task
and it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. When not monopolized by
a troll like Ed Gin, the newsgroup serves a worthwhile purpose. Now,
purging it of a troll like Ed Gin is entirely another matter. That's
an objective worth pursuing and achieving. The unfortunate thing
though, as you now realize, with the vociferous exchange of rhetoric
required, you and I have been mistaken for trolls ourselves, but that
is the risk one faces when engaging a troll. The readership
understandably gets upset with both sides of the opposition when a
flame war erupts and the newsgroup degenerates into an arena for a
pissing match. This very scenario is played out on a daily basis in
most of the newsgroups in cyberspace. It is part and parcel of the
design, meaning an unmoderated public forum with a multitude of
participants with differing opinions who inevitably butt heads. As
naturally happens, more members enter into the ongoing battle and
things are totally up for grabs as toes are stepped on and alliances
are forged. This very thing happened between nget and me. In the heat
of battle, we misunderstood each other intentions, over-reacted, sniped
at one another and buy the time I tried to unravel things and make
peace with the guy; he was hearing none of it. I had hoped that there
would be no hard feelings. I have nothing against him, but apparently
he just doesn't feel the same ... a shame really, but there isn't
anything I can do about it. I posted this before in another form, but
for the benefit of the readership, here is my take on forums. I think
you will find it to be a fairly accurate description of a process of
evolution that I like to refer to as ... an insight into the life and
phases of a mailing list ... A Perspective:
Like it or not, mailing lists commonly undergo an evolutionary process
regardless of whether they are moderated forums forums or unmoderated
newsgroups. The natural life cycle of a mailing list, with its various
phases, might be summed best as follows:
1. Declaration of Enthusiasm ... Subscribers introduce themselves
and gush over how wonderful it is to have encountered kindred spirits.
2. Birth of Evangelism ... Participants moan about how the mailing
list consists of far too few members and brainstorming ensues to
initiate recruitment strategies.
3. Expansion of Community ... An ever increasing number of
interested parties subscribe and contribute to the mailing list.
Lengthy threads develop (some more relevant than others).
4. Emergence of Caaderie ... Information and advice is exchanged
(some empirically founded ... some just anecdotal nonsense).
Friendships are forged. Members rib one another, but all in good
fun. New subscribers are welcomed and veterans are patient with
newbies. Both newcomers and old-timers alike are comfortable asking
questions, providing answers, and sharing experiences.
5. Ascent of Disenchantment ... The volume of postings increases
dramatically. Not all threads are of interest to all participants.
Some participants pitch a bitch about signal-to-noise ratio,
off-topic
threads, me too posts, forwarding of private emails, and other
violations of mailing list netiquette. Member #1 threatens to
unsubscribe if things don't change for the better. Member #2 aligns
himself with Member #1. Member #3 disagrees with both Members #1 and
#2. Member #4 suggests that Members #1, #2, and #3 should lighten
up. Flame wars erupt and adversaries emerge. Bandwidth is sacrificed
as an abundance of postings proliferate in an effort to resolve
differences and restore some semblance of order. During this
particular phase, many a delete key gets more than its share of
abuse.
6. Stagnancy of Growth ... The purists castigate members who ask
an old question or respond humorously to a serious post. Newcomers
are rebuffed and discouraged. Traffic volume subsides considerably
and is generally confined to minor topics. Many relevant issues are
communicated via private emails. Some members turn in their
membership cards in a huff and the remaining members continue to
participate in phases #4 and/or #5 above.
7. Someone like me pounds away at the keyboard composing a posting
such as this one in an effort to stir the juices of those members who
find themselves entrenched in the quagmire of phase #4 and/or #5
above ;-) Well, at least this posting should prove to be a thought
provoking departure from the norm and hopefully sheds some light on
the nature of the beast we have come to love and hate ... the mailing
list.
Jim McNaa
P.S. I will likely mak this a seaprate (new topic) post as wel
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 21:44:05
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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<jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1108067031.694259.233610@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Ed,
>
> Taking down the newsgroup would be a daunting and an implausible task
> and it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. When not monopolized by
> a troll like Ed Gin, the newsgroup serves a worthwhile purpose. Now,
> purging it of a troll like Ed Gin is entirely another matter. That's
> an objective worth pursuing and achieving. The unfortunate thing
> though, as you now realize, with the vociferous exchange of rhetoric
> required, you and I have been mistaken for trolls ourselves, but that
> is the risk one faces when engaging a troll. The readership
> understandably gets upset with both sides of the opposition when a
> flame war erupts and the newsgroup degenerates into an arena for a
> pissing match. This very scenario is played out on a daily basis in
> most of the newsgroups in cyberspace. ...
Jim, you are undoubtedly right in what you say above. But I have got to let
off some steam or I will explode.
I will shortly be leaving ARBR and Usenet forever as Ed Gin has shown me
what newsgroups are good for - nothing! However, if others find them
entertaining or amusing, then so be it. Tom Sherman can continue with his
discourses on tire sizes and others can weigh in on their various follies. I
will be well rid of the lot of them.
A few members I will miss, but the vast majority here on ARBR are blockheads
and numskulls who never know what they are talking about no matter how
trivial the subject. To become submerged in a newsgroup is to enter an
asylum for the mentally deranged. Before you know it, you find that you are
going as nuts as all the other inmates. I am getting out of this booby hatch
known as ARBR before it is too late.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 15:09:34
From: nget
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Edward Dolan Wrote:
> <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1108067031.694259.233610@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > Ed,
> >
> > Taking down the newsgroup would be a daunting and an implausibl
> task
> > and it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. When not monopolize
> by
> > a troll like Ed Gin, the newsgroup serves a worthwhile purpose.
> Now,
> > purging it of a troll like Ed Gin is entirely another matter.
> That's
> > an objective worth pursuing and achieving. The unfortunate thing
> > though, as you now realize, with the vociferous exchange of rhetoric
> > required, you and I have been mistaken for trolls ourselves, bu
> that
> > is the risk one faces when engaging a troll. The readership
> > understandably gets upset with both sides of the opposition when a
> > flame war erupts and the newsgroup degenerates into an arena for a
> > pissing match. This very scenario is played out on a daily basis in
> > most of the newsgroups in cyberspace. ...
>
> Jim, you are undoubtedly right in what you say above. But I have got t
> let
> off some steam or I will explode.
>
> I will shortly be leaving ARBR and Usenet forever as Ed Gin has show
> me
> what newsgroups are good for - nothing! However, if others find them
> entertaining or amusing, then so be it. Tom Sherman can continue wit
> his
> discourses on tire sizes and others can weigh in on their variou
> follies. I
> will be well rid of the lot of them.
>
> A few members I will miss, but the vast majority here on ARBR ar
> blockheads
> and numskulls who never know what they are talking about no matter how
> trivial the subject. To become submerged in a newsgroup is to enter an
> asylum for the mentally deranged. Before you know it, you find that yo
> are
> going as nuts as all the other inmates. I am getting out of this boob
> hatch
> known as ARBR before it is too late.
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
How come it is always the guy with the addiction that is the last t
know.Your suffering from ARBR withdrawal right now.It's true what yo
said,Iwas over at the Mount St. Helen cam and I do believe you ar
venting more than the volcano
--
nget
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 22:40:53
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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"nget" <nget.1k9uab@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote in message
news:nget.1k9uab@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
>
> Edward Dolan Wrote:
>> <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1108067031.694259.233610@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> > Ed,
>> >
>> > Taking down the newsgroup would be a daunting and an implausible
>> task
>> > and it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. When not monopolized
>> by
>> > a troll like Ed Gin, the newsgroup serves a worthwhile purpose.
>> Now,
>> > purging it of a troll like Ed Gin is entirely another matter.
>> That's
>> > an objective worth pursuing and achieving. The unfortunate thing
>> > though, as you now realize, with the vociferous exchange of rhetoric
>> > required, you and I have been mistaken for trolls ourselves, but
>> that
>> > is the risk one faces when engaging a troll. The readership
>> > understandably gets upset with both sides of the opposition when a
>> > flame war erupts and the newsgroup degenerates into an arena for a
>> > pissing match. This very scenario is played out on a daily basis in
>> > most of the newsgroups in cyberspace. ...
>>
>> Jim, you are undoubtedly right in what you say above. But I have got to
>> let
>> off some steam or I will explode.
>>
>> I will shortly be leaving ARBR and Usenet forever as Ed Gin has shown
>> me
>> what newsgroups are good for - nothing! However, if others find them
>> entertaining or amusing, then so be it. Tom Sherman can continue with
>> his
>> discourses on tire sizes and others can weigh in on their various
>> follies. I
>> will be well rid of the lot of them.
>>
>> A few members I will miss, but the vast majority here on ARBR are
>> blockheads
>> and numskulls who never know what they are talking about no matter how
>> trivial the subject. To become submerged in a newsgroup is to enter an
>> asylum for the mentally deranged. Before you know it, you find that you
>> are
>> going as nuts as all the other inmates. I am getting out of this booby
>> hatch
>> known as ARBR before it is too late.
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> How come it is always the guy with the addiction that is the last to
> know. Your suffering from ARBR withdrawal right now. It's true what you
> said, I was over at the Mount St. Helen cam and I do believe you are
> venting more than the volcano.
OK, Nget, you are right of course. But this criminal Ed Gin is only going to
keep coming back and doing to others what he has done to Jim and me. Jim has
more patience than I do. But frankly I do not want to belong to a group
where this sort of criminal behavior as exemplified by Ed Gin passes without
much objection by the other members of the group. Ed Gin belongs in an
institution of confinement of course, but even Tom Sherman does not object
to what is going on here. You need to ask yourself if you really want to
belong to a group where criminals can do their thing. They say you are known
by the company you keep.
By the way, there is some asshole over on aus.bicycles that is doing the
same thing as Ed Gin. I have also noticed the same phenomenon on several
other newsgroups. Therefore I conclude that all newsgroups are for idiots
and morons. Moderated forums are the only way to go.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 16:58:18
From: nget
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Edward Dolan Wrote:
> "nget" <nget.1k9uab@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
> news:nget.1k9uab@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
> >
> > Edward Dolan Wrote:
> >> <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1108067031.694259.233610@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Ed,
> >> >
> >> > Taking down the newsgroup would be a daunting and an implausible
> >> task
> >> > and it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest. When no
> monopolized
> >> by
> >> > a troll like Ed Gin, the newsgroup serves a worthwhile purpose.
> >> Now,
> >> > purging it of a troll like Ed Gin is entirely another matter.
> >> That's
> >> > an objective worth pursuing and achieving. The unfortunate thing
> >> > though, as you now realize, with the vociferous exchange o
> rhetoric
> >> > required, you and I have been mistaken for trolls ourselves, but
> >> that
> >> > is the risk one faces when engaging a troll. The readership
> >> > understandably gets upset with both sides of the opposition whe
> a
> >> > flame war erupts and the newsgroup degenerates into an arena fo
> a
> >> > pissing match. This very scenario is played out on a daily basi
> in
> >> > most of the newsgroups in cyberspace. ...
> >>
> >> Jim, you are undoubtedly right in what you say above. But I have go
> to
> >> let
> >> off some steam or I will explode.
> >>
> >> I will shortly be leaving ARBR and Usenet forever as Ed Gin ha
> shown
> >> me
> >> what newsgroups are good for - nothing! However, if others fin
> them
> >> entertaining or amusing, then so be it. Tom Sherman can continu
> with
> >> his
> >> discourses on tire sizes and others can weigh in on their various
> >> follies. I
> >> will be well rid of the lot of them.
> >>
> >> A few members I will miss, but the vast majority here on ARBR are
> >> blockheads
> >> and numskulls who never know what they are talking about no matte
> how
> >> trivial the subject. To become submerged in a newsgroup is to ente
> an
> >> asylum for the mentally deranged. Before you know it, you find tha
> you
> >> are
> >> going as nuts as all the other inmates. I am getting out of thi
> booby
> >> hatch
> >> known as ARBR before it is too late.
> >>
> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >
> > How come it is always the guy with the addiction that is the last to
> > know. Your suffering from ARBR withdrawal right now. It's true wha
> you
> > said, I was over at the Mount St. Helen cam and I do believe you are
> > venting more than the volcano.
>
> OK, Nget, you are right of course. But this criminal Ed Gin is onl
> going to
> keep coming back and doing to others what he has done to Jim and me
> Jim has
> more patience than I do. But frankly I do not want to belong to
> group
> where this sort of criminal behavior as exemplified by Ed Gin passe
> without
> much objection by the other members of the group. Ed Gin belongs in an
> institution of confinement of course, but even Tom Sherman does no
> object
> to what is going on here. You need to ask yourself if you really wan
> to
> belong to a group where criminals can do their thing. They say you ar
> known
> by the company you keep.
>
> By the way, there is some asshole over on aus.bicycles that is doin
> the
> same thing as Ed Gin. I have also noticed the same phenomenon o
> several
> other newsgroups. Therefore I conclude that all newsgroups are fo
> idiots
> and morons. Moderated forums are the only way to go.
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
The moderated forum is a whole different animal altogether. Th
security it gives you seems to come with a high price.But you mayb
right that if the worst of elements are going to come here and bor
eveyone out of their skulls then leaving maybe the only option left fo
the civilized to take.I also may not post to ARBR like I've done her
the last few days but who knows. The weather is great here in th
Pacific Northwest and I have my 3.4 wiz wheel trike that is helping m
to restore my hurt knee.Today a nice lady I didn't even know called m
by my first name as I rode by.Hi k she said,well it made me feel
good that she knew who I was.She may even know things about me I wish
she didn't.
--
nget
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 00:30:41
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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"nget" <nget.1k9z1z@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote in message
news:nget.1k9z1z@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
[...]
> The moderated forum is a whole different animal altogether. The
> security it gives you seems to come with a high price.But you maybe
> right that if the worst of elements are going to come here and bore
> eveyone out of their skulls then leaving maybe the only option left for
> the civilized to take.I also may not post to ARBR like I've done here
> the last few days but who knows.
It is not boring posts that bother me as I know how to stimulate others to
not be their usual boring selves. It is a criminal poster like Ed Gin who
bothers me and how the rest of the group is silent at his assaults. Only Jim
McNaa and I have fought the good fight. A moderated forum would get rid
of criminal trash like Ed Gin in a flash. I enjoy the play of conversation
regardless of topic, but it requires that all be civilized at the minimum.
All it takes for anyone to think like me is to come under attack by a
criminal like Ed Gin. Then you will know what I am talking about and you
will end up disgusted with newsgroups and all the knaves and cowards who
infest them.
The weather is great here in the
> Pacific Northwest and I have my 3.4 wiz wheel trike that is helping me
> to restore my hurt knee. Today a nice lady I didn't even know called me
> by my first name as I rode by. Hi k she said, well it made me feel
> good that she knew who I was. She may even know things about me I wish
> she didn't.
I have got one of the early versions of the Terra Trike. I like it just fine
as long as I keep my speed down. It is a bit squirrelly at speed. I
especially like the rather low crank that my model has. I note that most
recent tadpole trikes are now getting the crank too high, at least for me as
I will get numb feet if the crank is more than 4 inches above the seat.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 00:09:15
From: G. Morgan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Subject: Re: A Parting Word
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= > nget <= wrote:
>The weather is great here in the
>Pacific Northwest and I have my 3.4 wiz wheel trike that is helping me
>to restore my hurt knee.Today a nice lady I didn't even know called me
>by my first name as I rode by.Hi k she said,well it made me feel
>good that she knew who I was.She may even know things about me I wish
>she didn't.
I'm glad you're have a break in the weather. It sounds like you're living a
content life. I wish I could say the same.
BTW:
You just gave away your (general) locale and name, so Jim can no longer call you
"anonymous". ;)
--
-Graham
Remove the snails to email
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Date: 12 Feb 2005 02:59:46
From: nget
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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G. Morgan Wrote:
> Subject: Re: A Parting Word
> Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
> => nget <= wrote:
>
> >The weather is great here in the
> >Pacific Northwest and I have my 3.4 wiz wheel trike that is helpin
> me
> >to restore my hurt knee.Today a nice lady I didn't even know calle
> me
> >by my first name as I rode by.Hi k she said,well it made me feel
> >good that she knew who I was.She may even know things about me I wish
> >she didn't.
>
>
> I'm glad you're have a break in the weather. It sounds like you'r
> living a
> content life. I wish I could say the same.
>
> BTW:
>
> You just gave away your (general) locale and name, so Jim can no longe
> call you
> "anonymous". ;)
>
>
> --
>
> -Graham
>
> Remove the snails to email
People can call me whatever it is they would like to it doesn't chang
who I am,and unlike so many people I do know who I am.I am far fro
living a content life but if it falls my way I will take it as well a
the bad times for both come from the same place.Today I'm back on th
job ,what a waste of this good weather.Looks like I'm late for wor
again,does anybody really give a shit
--
nget
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 23:25:19
From: G. Morgan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Subject: Re: A Parting Word
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= > Edward Dolan <= wrote:
>OK, Nget, you are right of course. But this criminal Ed Gin is only going to
>keep coming back and doing to others what he has done to Jim and me. Jim has
>more patience than I do. But frankly I do not want to belong to a group
>where this sort of criminal behavior as exemplified by Ed Gin passes without
>much objection by the other members of the group. Ed Gin belongs in an
>institution of confinement of course, but even Tom Sherman does not object
>to what is going on here. You need to ask yourself if you really want to
>belong to a group where criminals can do their thing. They say you are known
>by the company you keep.
>
>By the way, there is some asshole over on aus.bicycles that is doing the
>same thing as Ed Gin. I have also noticed the same phenomenon on several
>other newsgroups. Therefore I conclude that all newsgroups are for idiots
>and morons. Moderated forums are the only way to go.
Then quit beating a dead horse and leave already.
If you would quit posting and just lurk for a while, you'll quickly find your
name not being mentioned.
You are not going anywhere. I'll bet ya $100 you can't quit posting to ARBR.
--
-Graham
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 00:05:57
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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"G. Morgan" <alarmprosnail@snailgmail.com > wrote in message
news:42144135.20305197@news.individual.net...
> Subject: Re: A Parting Word
> Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
> => Edward Dolan <= wrote:
>
>>OK, Nget, you are right of course. But this criminal Ed Gin is only going
>>to
>>keep coming back and doing to others what he has done to Jim and me. Jim
>>has
>>more patience than I do. But frankly I do not want to belong to a group
>>where this sort of criminal behavior as exemplified by Ed Gin passes
>>without
>>much objection by the other members of the group. Ed Gin belongs in an
>>institution of confinement of course, but even Tom Sherman does not object
>>to what is going on here. You need to ask yourself if you really want to
>>belong to a group where criminals can do their thing. They say you are
>>known
>>by the company you keep.
>>
>>By the way, there is some asshole over on aus.bicycles that is doing the
>>same thing as Ed Gin. I have also noticed the same phenomenon on several
>>other newsgroups. Therefore I conclude that all newsgroups are for idiots
>>and morons. Moderated forums are the only way to go.
>
>
> Then quit beating a dead horse and leave already.
Nope, not even Graham likes to hear the truth about newsgroups.
> If you would quit posting and just lurk for a while, you'll quickly find
> your
> name not being mentioned.
If and when my name is no longer being mentioned I will be gone. When do you
think that will be - sometime this year?
> You are not going anywhere. I'll bet ya $100 you can't quit posting to
> ARBR.
You would lose that bet. Once the loose ends are tied up I will be gone.
I came on this group bit by bit and that is the way I am going to leave it -
if others will let me. And that includes you too, Graham.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 00:30:58
From: G. Morgan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Subject: Re: A Parting Word
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= > Edward Dolan <= wrote:
YHM
--
-Graham
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 00:19:03
From: G. Morgan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Subject: Re: A Parting Word
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= > Edward Dolan <= wrote:
>> Then quit beating a dead horse and leave already.
>
>Nope, not even Graham likes to hear the truth about newsgroups.
I forgot more about NG's than you'll ever learn.
The truth is this:
If is don't apply, let it fly.
>
>> If you would quit posting and just lurk for a while, you'll quickly find
>> your
>> name not being mentioned.
>
>If and when my name is no longer being mentioned I will be gone. When do you
>think that will be - sometime this year?
If you quit arguing about the usage of the word "differing", don't you think
that would help?
>
>> You are not going anywhere. I'll bet ya $100 you can't quit posting to
>> ARBR.
>
>You would lose that bet. Once the loose ends are tied up I will be gone.
>
>I came on this group bit by bit and that is the way I am going to leave it -
>if others will let me. And that includes you too, Graham.
YOU have to be the one to make the decision. Truth be told, the only reason I
stayed subscribed to this NG is to be entertained by you. I got drawn into it
by k L. cross posting to another group.
Retract your statement about leaving now, it will make much less crow to consume
in the future.
--
-Graham
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 01:06:10
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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"G. Morgan" <alarmprosnail@snailgmail.com > wrote in message
news:421f4d1c.23351657@news.individual.net...
> Subject: Re: A Parting Word
> Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
> => Edward Dolan <= wrote:
>
>>> Then quit beating a dead horse and leave already.
>>
>>Nope, not even Graham likes to hear the truth about newsgroups.
>
> I forgot more about NG's than you'll ever learn.
I now know all I will ever want to know. I am a quick learner.
> The truth is this:
>
> If is don't apply, let it fly.
Yup, blend into the wood work, but that is not why I came to a newsgroup. I
meant to stand out and I did.
>>> If you would quit posting and just lurk for a while, you'll quickly find
>>> your
>>> name not being mentioned.
>>
>>If and when my name is no longer being mentioned I will be gone. When do
>>you
>>think that will be - sometime this year?
>
> If you quit arguing about the usage of the word "differing", don't you
> think
> that would help?
No one understands us scholars and pedants. The fate of the world can hinge
on a single word.
>>> You are not going anywhere. I'll bet ya $100 you can't quit posting to
>>> ARBR.
>>
>>You would lose that bet. Once the loose ends are tied up I will be gone.
>>
>>I came on this group bit by bit and that is the way I am going to leave
>>it -
>>if others will let me. And that includes you too, Graham.
>
> YOU have to be the one to make the decision. Truth be told, the only
> reason I
> stayed subscribed to this NG is to be entertained by you. I got drawn
> into it
> by k L. cross posting to another group.
Graham, I need others who are up to my level. You can only humor idiots and
morons for so long. They get frustrated at always being on the short end of
an argument - and then they get nasty. I should never have left the groves
of academe where they are used to intellectual discourse, although they can
be equally as nasty as those to be found here on ARBR.
> Retract your statement about leaving now, it will make much less crow to
> consume
> in the future.
No, I am determined to leave, but it may be the longest leave taking in
Usenet history. It may be that I will have to say goodbye a hundred and one
times before the fantasy becomes the reality.
I am disillusioned with newsgroups. But I knew better going into this human
nature being what it is. Thankfully, I am going to die in the not too
distant future and leave this vale of woe for oblivion. Non-existence is the
best of all possible worlds and that is what we should all be aspiring to.
Trust me on this, you do not want to live forever, not in this world and
most certainly not in any other world either. Thus spake Zarathustra.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 01:14:27
From: G. Morgan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Subject: Re: A Parting Word
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= > Edward Dolan <= wrote:
>Thus spake Zarathustra
Are you experiencing delusions of grandeur, or are you suicidal?
--
-Graham
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 02:03:25
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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"G. Morgan" <alarmprosnail@snailgmail.com > wrote in message
news:42265b09.26917244@news.individual.net...
> Subject: Re: A Parting Word
> Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
> => Edward Dolan <= wrote:
>
>>Thus spake Zarathustra
>
>
> Are you experiencing delusions of grandeur, or are you suicidal?
I have always experienced delusions of grandeur from the first moment I
arrived here on ARBR. It is because everyone else on this group is so very
small minded. That is why I have named myself Ed Dolan the Great. Others
need to know not only what I think of myself, but what I think of them by
way of contrast. No other Greats here except myself.
As to being suicidal, well no. I am getting on in years (almost 70), but
there is never any point in rushing to the grave because once you are dead,
you are dead for all eternity. But still you have to ask yourself, just how
long do you want to live. Every time I pick up the local newspaper, people
in their 70's are dropping like flies. The women seem to make it into their
80's, but we men like to kick off in our mid 70's. Well, let us struggle on
and let the dead bury the dead I always say.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 01:33:04
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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<jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1107928752.778586.139840@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Readership,
>
> Ed Gin relishes exhausting his opposition ... discouraging his
> adversary from making further posts. When someone becomes glutted from
> Ed Gin's bullshit and concludes that enough is enough, adds Ed to a
> kill file and refrains from responding, Ed regards this as an act of
> surrender ... an adversary vanquished ... a victory to be celebrated.
> The only reason that I've not yet terminated this squabble is because
> I'd rather not give Ed even that small shred of satisfaction. On the
> other hand, it is the readership that pays the price. They are the
> victims here. I feel that it would be selfish of me to pursue this any
> longer and subject the readership to any further suffering. One thing
> that I learned from past skirmishes with Ed is that responding to him
> only serves to encourage him. He feeds off of responses much like a
> parasite feeds off of a host organism. Someone has to be the bigger
> person if this is to end. It may as well be me. Unfortunately, the
> readership will not entirely be spared, as Ed will undoubtedly select
> another victim. This is the nature of a parasite, in this case an
> ungoverned, unscrupulous, slimy, bottom feeding troll ... an oozing
> festering, canker on the hide of Internet forums.
>
> I suspect that there are those that consider Ed Gin, Ed Dolan and
> myself to be whackos. I suspect that there are those who respect me
> for taking Ed Gin on. I suspect that there are also those who will
> respect me for calling it quits. Unlike Ed, I've better things to do
> with my time, so he's all yours folks. I'm out of here. Gee, Ed ... I
> miss you already ... N O T !!!
>
> Jim McNaa
Screw it Jim! Let us take down the newsgroup since no one else here gives a
damn. Hey, if Mr. Sherman who has been posting here for 5 years does not
care, why should any of the rest of us. Screw ARBR all the way to hell and
back. Unless and until I see some others here besides you and me intent on
defending this group, then let it die and good riddance. ARBR does not
deserve to exist if it is so gutless that it will not defend itself against
a criminal troll like Ed Gin.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 22:45:23
From:
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Graham,
Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully. I'm not
accusing nget of doing the same thing as Ed Gin. Nget does not forge
email headers. A quick look at both newsfeeds.com and usenetserver.com
websites seemed to indicate that one could set up accounts with either
service and obscure one's identity. I did fail to notice that nget
posts from cyclingforums.com that uses usenetserver.com as its NNTP
provider and stand corrected in that respect. As concerns the analysis
of Ed Gin's email headers, a more thorough analysis was already done in
the past. My intention was merely to specifically identify the email
header forgery elements employed by Ed Gin for impersonation and the
Usenet news proxy server that Ed has his account with. I thought that
more than sufficient for my intended purpose. One could argue back an
forth regarding the use of the term sniper, but a sniper is one who
shoots at someone from a concealed place and concealment comes in
various flavors. Granted, Ed's and nget's methods of concealment
are entirely different in terms of form and execution. Nget does not
forge email headers with the intention of impersonating someone else as
Ed Gin does. It is just that when one takes pot shots at another and
does so without revealing their name or real email address this is akin
to shooting at another from concealed place which is the nature of what
a sniper does and hence the term sniping. Now, I perfectly understand
the need to conceal ones identity, if for no better reason than to
minimize the amount of junk email that one can get from posting in a
public forum due to email harvesting spambots. On the other hand, I
also understand the frustration of those who are up front about who
they really are but find themselves in the heat of a flame war with
what is for all practical purposes a faceless enemy so to speak. Just
so that there is no confusion, I never said nor meant that nget was
anything like Ed Gin. I know few people that are and we can all be
thankful for that. I hope that clears the air.
Jim McNaa
G. Morgan wrote:
> Subject: Re: A Parting Word
> Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
> => jimmymac_4@yahoo.com <= wrote:
>
> >This was in response to your question ... "You're not very good at
> >reading headers, are you?" Read what Ed Dolan wrote below ant then
go
> >back and read the post...
>
> Right, and I asked you, "what -> EMAIL <- headers"? Get it now?
>
>
> >Ed Gin's Email Impersonation Circus - analysis of the forged headers
>
> I read it. Less than brilliant analysis, but you convinced Ed Dolan.
>
>
> >What I was actually referring to, however, was the practice of
ensuring
> >obscurity by establishing an account with a Usenet news proxy
server
> >for the purpose of annonymous sniping, which is a related in
> >intention, but different in terms of execution from the practice
email
> >header forgery. Both, however, go hand in had to serve the coward
well
> >who prefers to remain faceless in the face of battle.
>
> The only reason I jumped in is because you seemed to accuse Nget of
the same
> thing as Ed Gin. Nothing can be farther from the truth. Nget posts
through
> cyclingforums.com, which uses usenetserver.com for it's NNTP
provider. Just
> because he does not list his name and an email address does not make
him a
> 'sniper'.
>
> I am in agreement with you on the jerk that posts from newsfeeds.com
and uses
> other's names.
>
>
> --
>
> -Graham
>
> Remove the snails to email
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 22:44:10
From:
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Graham,
Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully. I'm not
accusing nget of doing the same thing as Ed Gin. Nget does not forge
email headers. A quick look at both newsfeeds.com and usenetserver.com
websites seemed to indicate that one could set up accounts with either
service and obscure one's identity. I did fail to notice that nget
posts from cyclingforums.com that uses usenetserver.com as its NNTP
provider and stand corrected in that respect. As concerns the analysis
of Ed Gin's email headers, a more thorough analysis was already done in
the past. My intention was merely to specifically identify the email
header forgery elements employed by Ed Gin for impersonation and the
Usenet news proxy server that Ed has his account with. I thought that
more than sufficient for my intended purpose. One could argue back an
forth regarding the use of the term sniper, but a sniper is one who
shoots at someone from a concealed place and concealment comes in
various flavors. Granted, Ed's and nget's methods of concealment
are entirely different in terms of form and execution. Nget does not
forge email headers with the intention of impersonating someone else as
Ed Gin does. It is just that when one takes pot shots at another and
does so without revealing their name or real email address this is akin
to shooting at another from concealed place which is the nature of what
a sniper does and hence the term sniping. Now, I perfectly understand
the need to conceal ones identity, if for no better reason than to
minimize the amount of junk email that one can get from posting in a
public forum due to email harvesting spambots. On the other hand, I
also understand the frustration of those who are up front about who
they really are but find themselves in the heat of a flame war with
what is for all practical purposes a faceless enemy so to speak. Just
so that there is no confusion, I never said nor meant that nget was
anything like Ed Gin. I know few people that are and we can all be
thankful for that. I hope that clears the air.
Jim McNaa
G. Morgan wrote:
> Subject: Re: A Parting Word
> Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
> => jimmymac_4@yahoo.com <= wrote:
>
> >This was in response to your question ... "You're not very good at
> >reading headers, are you?" Read what Ed Dolan wrote below ant then
go
> >back and read the post...
>
> Right, and I asked you, "what -> EMAIL <- headers"? Get it now?
>
>
> >Ed Gin's Email Impersonation Circus - analysis of the forged headers
>
> I read it. Less than brilliant analysis, but you convinced Ed Dolan.
>
>
> >What I was actually referring to, however, was the practice of
ensuring
> >obscurity by establishing an account with a Usenet news proxy
server
> >for the purpose of annonymous sniping, which is a related in
> >intention, but different in terms of execution from the practice
email
> >header forgery. Both, however, go hand in hand to serve the coward
well
> >who prefers to remain faceless in the face of battle.
>
> The only reason I jumped in is because you seemed to accuse Nget of
the same
> thing as Ed Gin. Nothing can be farther from the truth. Nget posts
through
> cyclingforums.com, which uses usenetserver.com for it's NNTP
provider. Just
> because he does not list his name and an email address does not make
him a
> 'sniper'.
>
> I am in agreement with you on the jerk that posts from newsfeeds.com
and uses
> other's names.
>
>
> --
>
> -Graham
>
> Remove the snails to email
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 01:10:09
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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<jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1108017850.473813.6670@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Graham,
>
> Perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully. I'm not
> accusing nget of doing the same thing as Ed Gin. Nget does not forge
> email headers. A quick look at both newsfeeds.com and usenetserver.com
> websites seemed to indicate that one could set up accounts with either
> service and obscure one's identity. I did fail to notice that nget
> posts from cyclingforums.com that uses usenetserver.com as its NNTP
> provider and stand corrected in that respect. As concerns the analysis
> of Ed Gin's email headers, a more thorough analysis was already done in
> the past. My intention was merely to specifically identify the email
> header forgery elements employed by Ed Gin for impersonation and the
> Usenet news proxy server that Ed has his account with. I thought that
> more than sufficient for my intended purpose. One could argue back an
> forth regarding the use of the term sniper, but a sniper is one who
> shoots at someone from a concealed place and concealment comes in
> various flavors. Granted, Ed's and nget's methods of concealment
> are entirely different in terms of form and execution. Nget does not
> forge email headers with the intention of impersonating someone else as
> Ed Gin does. It is just that when one takes pot shots at another and
> does so without revealing their name or real email address this is akin
> to shooting at another from concealed place which is the nature of what
> a sniper does and hence the term sniping. Now, I perfectly understand
> the need to conceal ones identity, if for no better reason than to
> minimize the amount of junk email that one can get from posting in a
> public forum due to email harvesting spambots. On the other hand, I
> also understand the frustration of those who are up front about who
> they really are but find themselves in the heat of a flame war with
> what is for all practical purposes a faceless enemy so to speak. Just
> so that there is no confusion, I never said nor meant that nget was
> anything like Ed Gin. I know few people that are and we can all be
> thankful for that. I hope that clears the air.
>
> Jim McNaa
Excellent post Jim. I am learning more from you via your posts to this group
that I have ever learned from reading manuals on Usenet. I think if I were
ever to start over on Usenet I would choose a user name rather my real name,
but I never suspected that such low life as Ed Gin existed. Well, live and
learn I guess.
Forging email headers with the intention of impersonating someone else is
nothing short of criminal. I wonder when the hell this group is going to get
their heads screwed on straight as to what Ed Gin is doing and what a
bastard he is. However it may be that recumbent cyclists are just plain
stupid and can never understand what is happening here on ARBR due to Ed
Gin. Mr. Sherman of course knows what is going on but he has taken the
coward's way out - lie low and maybe all of this will blow over.
Anyone who equates Jim and I with this bastard Ed Gin is going to get a
blast from Hell from me!
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 21:07:08
From:
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Graham,
This was in response to your question ... "You're not very good at
reading headers, are you?" Read what Ed Dolan wrote below ant then go
back and read the post...
Ed Gin's Email Impersonation Circus - analysis of the forged headers
What I was actually referring to, however, was the practice of ensuring
obscurity by establishing an account with a Usenet news proxy server
for the purpose of annonymous sniping, which is a related in
intention, but different in terms of execution from the practice email
header forgery. Both, however, go hand in had to serve the coward well
who prefers to remain faceless in the face of battle.
Jim McNaa
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 23:21:07
From: G. Morgan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
|
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= > jimmymac_4@yahoo.com <= wrote:
>This was in response to your question ... "You're not very good at
>reading headers, are you?" Read what Ed Dolan wrote below ant then go
>back and read the post...
Right, and I asked you, "what - > EMAIL <- headers"? Get it now?
>Ed Gin's Email Impersonation Circus - analysis of the forged headers
I read it. Less than brilliant analysis, but you convinced Ed Dolan.
>What I was actually referring to, however, was the practice of ensuring
>obscurity by establishing an account with a Usenet news proxy server
>for the purpose of annonymous sniping, which is a related in
>intention, but different in terms of execution from the practice email
>header forgery. Both, however, go hand in had to serve the coward well
>who prefers to remain faceless in the face of battle.
The only reason I jumped in is because you seemed to accuse Nget of the same
thing as Ed Gin. Nothing can be farther from the truth. Nget posts through
cyclingforums.com, which uses usenetserver.com for it's NNTP provider. Just
because he does not list his name and an email address does not make him a
'sniper'.
I am in agreement with you on the jerk that posts from newsfeeds.com and uses
other's names.
--
-Graham
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 23:43:52
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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"G. Morgan" <alarmprosnail@snailgmail.com > wrote in message
news:421fed6c.14752763@news.individual.net...
> Subject: Re: A Parting Word
> Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
> => jimmymac_4@yahoo.com <= wrote:
>
>>This was in response to your question ... "You're not very good at
>>reading headers, are you?" Read what Ed Dolan wrote below ant then go
>>back and read the post...
>
> Right, and I asked you, "what -> EMAIL <- headers"? Get it now?
>
>
>>Ed Gin's Email Impersonation Circus - analysis of the forged headers
>
> I read it. Less than brilliant analysis, but you convinced Ed Dolan.
>
>
>>What I was actually referring to, however, was the practice of ensuring
>>obscurity by establishing an account with a Usenet news proxy server
>>for the purpose of annonymous sniping, which is a related in
>>intention, but different in terms of execution from the practice email
>>header forgery. Both, however, go hand in had to serve the coward well
>>who prefers to remain faceless in the face of battle.
>
> The only reason I jumped in is because you seemed to accuse Nget of the
> same
> thing as Ed Gin. Nothing can be farther from the truth. Nget posts
> through
> cyclingforums.com, which uses usenetserver.com for it's NNTP provider.
> Just
> because he does not list his name and an email address does not make him
> a
> 'sniper'.
>
> I am in agreement with you on the jerk that posts from newsfeeds.com and
> uses
> other's names.
Nget is OK with me too as he is RESPONSIVE, which is all I ever require of a
correspondent. I am not really interested in who is who and where they are
posting from as long as they are responsive. Ed Gin is a parrot who just
spews garbage and trash.
This newsgroup is finally learning what a troll is. I was never a troll. I
was merely a bit contentious and argumentative. Too bad the group had to
learn all of this the hard way.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 19:56:01
From:
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Graham,
What I said about anonymous sniping applies to several folks out here.
With 30+ years of IT expereince (about half of that in a PC technical
support capacity), email headers do don't present all that much of a
challenge.
Jim McNaa
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 22:18:38
From: G. Morgan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
|
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= > jimmymac_4@yahoo.com <= wrote:
>
>What I said about anonymous sniping applies to several folks out here.
>With 30+ years of IT expereince (about half of that in a PC technical
>support capacity), email headers do don't present all that much of a
>challenge.
What email headers?
--
-Graham
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 22:53:58
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
|
"G. Morgan" <alarmprosnail@snailgmail.com > wrote in message
news:421ae070.11428953@news.individual.net...
> Subject: Re: A Parting Word
> Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
> => jimmymac_4@yahoo.com <= wrote:
>
>>
>>What I said about anonymous sniping applies to several folks out here.
>>With 30+ years of IT expereince (about half of that in a PC technical
>>support capacity), email headers do don't present all that much of a
>>challenge.
>
> What email headers?
Graham, examine the header of any of the posts by Ed Gin under his many sock
puppets. Jim has explained all of this in a previous post and it is an eye
opener. Jim knows what he is talking about on this subject. In addition, De
Souza has positively identified this scoundrel Ed Gin by closely examining
the origins of Ed Gin's posts. Only Mr. Sherman refuses to accept the
evidence.
There is nothing wrong with a user name which is as common as mud, but that
is not what Ed Gin does. He forges, falsifies, and steals identities. This
is not a small thing to be doing. It borders on criminality and insanity and
is against every Usenet rule and regulation. Jon Meinecke will confirm this.
What Ed Gin does to me and Jim he could just as easily do to you or anyone
else. He could even do it to Tom Sherman, which is why Tom has taken to the
tall grass.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 23:11:56
From: G. Morgan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Subject: Re: A Parting Word
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= > Edward Dolan <= wrote:
>Graham, examine the header of any of the posts by Ed Gin under his many sock
>puppets.
<snip >
I'm well aware of how to read USENET headers. I'm asking Columbo (Jim) what
EMAIL headers.
He accuses Nget of posting anonymously, but how is his style any better? Would
Columbo be satisfied if Nget were to post a email address from a free service
like Yahoo or Gmail too? I can tell exactly what city and state Nget is
posting from and his ISP, hardly anonymous or trying to cover up his tracks as
Jim claims.
I have my newsreader set to display full headers above each message. When
dealing with a scumbag like Robert L. Bass in another newsgroup, one has to be
sharp.
Here Nget, (and anyone else) have a Gmail account so no one can accuse you of
hiding.
http://s92464059.onlinehome.us/gmail/
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-Graham
Remove the snails to email
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 18:55:34
From: nget
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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G. Morgan Wrote:
> Subject: Re: A Parting Word
> Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
> => Edward Dolan <= wrote:
>
> >Graham, examine the header of any of the posts by Ed Gin under hi
> many sock
> >puppets.
>
> <snip>
>
> I'm well aware of how to read USENET headers. I'm asking Columbo (Jim
> what
> EMAIL headers.
>
>
> He accuses Nget of posting anonymously, but how is his style an
> better? Would
> Columbo be satisfied if Nget were to post a email address from a fre
> service
> like Yahoo or Gmail too? I can tell exactly what city and state Nge
> is
> posting from and his ISP, hardly anonymous or trying to cover up hi
> tracks as
> Jim claims.
>
> I have my newsreader set to display full headers above each message.
> When
> dealing with a scumbag like Robert L. Bass in another newsgroup, on
> has to be
> sharp.
>
>
> Here Nget, (and anyone else) have a Gmail account so no one can accus
> you of
> hiding.
>
> http://s92464059.onlinehome.us/gmail/
>
>
> --
>
> -Graham
>
> Remove the snails to email
Now that you know where I live why not stop by for a beer sometime?Whe
you get in the area just ask anyone where the guy lives who rides th
funny bikes. You can test ride my trike.Btw did anybody notice th
front door to this place is wide open.Anyone can just come right in th
house and shit on the floor if they want to.But its all about freedom o
speech right
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nget
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 02:26:45
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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"nget" <nget.1k89y1@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote in message
news:nget.1k89y1@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
[...]
Btw did anybody notice the
> front door to this place is wide open.Anyone can just come right in the
> house and shit on the floor if they want to.But its all about freedom of
> speech right?
>
>
> --
> nget
Right you are Nget. That is what Ed Gin does every time he posts to this
group, but with him it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It has to
do with abuse of free speech. He is nothing but a criminal and he shits on
this group every time he posts. Care to find me a single post of his which
is otherwise?
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 03:40:00
From: nget
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Edward Dolan Wrote:
> "nget" <nget.1k89y1@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
> news:nget.1k89y1@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
> [...]
> Btw did anybody notice the
> > front door to this place is wide open.Anyone can just come right i
> the
> > house and shit on the floor if they want to.But its all about freedo
> of
> > speech right?
> >
> >
> > --
> > nget
>
> Right you are Nget. That is what Ed Gin does every time he posts t
> this
> group, but with him it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It ha
> to
> do with abuse of free speech. He is nothing but a criminal and he shit
> on
> this group every time he posts. Care to find me a single post of hi
> which
> is otherwise?
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
I was not really referring to Gins freedom of speech,but rather your
and mine.There has always been a price to pay for those who cheris
freedom.I know at this time there are those who are willing to pay
much higher price than you and I were asked.Suck it up baby
--
nget
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 16:08:41
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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"nget" <nget.1k8yj0@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote in message
news:nget.1k8yj0@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
>
> Edward Dolan Wrote:
>> "nget" <nget.1k89y1@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
>> news:nget.1k89y1@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
>> [...]
>> Btw did anybody notice the
>> > front door to this place is wide open.Anyone can just come right in
>> the
>> > house and shit on the floor if they want to.But its all about freedom
>> of
>> > speech right?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > nget
>>
>> Right you are Nget. That is what Ed Gin does every time he posts to
>> this
>> group, but with him it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. It has
>> to
>> do with abuse of free speech. He is nothing but a criminal and he shits
>> on
>> this group every time he posts. Care to find me a single post of his
>> which
>> is otherwise?
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> I was not really referring to Gins freedom of speech,but rather yours
> and mine.There has always been a price to pay for those who cherish
> freedom.I know at this time there are those who are willing to pay a
> much higher price than you and I were asked.Suck it up baby.
The fact remains that Ed Gin is a scoundrel and no one has ever done what he
has done on ARBR. Not everything should be sucked up.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 11 Feb 2005 10:02:32
From: nget
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Edward Dolan Wrote:
> "nget" <nget.1k8yj0@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
> news:nget.1k8yj0@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
> >
> > Edward Dolan Wrote:
> >> "nget" <nget.1k89y1@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com> wrote i
> message
> >> news:nget.1k89y1@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com...
> >> [...]
> >> Btw did anybody notice the
> >> > front door to this place is wide open.Anyone can just come righ
> in
> >> the
> >> > house and shit on the floor if they want to.But its all abou
> freedom
> >> of
> >> > speech right?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > nget
> >>
> >> Right you are Nget. That is what Ed Gin does every time he posts to
> >> this
> >> group, but with him it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. I
> has
> >> to
> >> do with abuse of free speech. He is nothing but a criminal and h
> shits
> >> on
> >> this group every time he posts. Care to find me a single post o
> his
> >> which
> >> is otherwise?
> >>
> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >
> > I was not really referring to Gins freedom of speech,but rathe
> yours
> > and mine.There has always been a price to pay for those who cherish
> > freedom.I know at this time there are those who are willing to pay a
> > much higher price than you and I were asked.Suck it up baby.
>
> The fact remains that Ed Gin is a scoundrel and no one has ever don
> what he
> has done on ARBR. Not everything should be sucked up.
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
Well Ed I prefer to be happy and this is how I plan on doing jus
that.I got a trike...I ride my trike..
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nget
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 23:32:34
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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"G. Morgan" <alarmprosnail@snailgmail.com > wrote in message
news:421dea7c.14000191@news.individual.net...
> Subject: Re: A Parting Word
> Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
> => Edward Dolan <= wrote:
>
>>Graham, examine the header of any of the posts by Ed Gin under his many
>>sock
>>puppets.
>
> <snip>
>
> I'm well aware of how to read USENET headers. I'm asking Columbo (Jim)
> what
> EMAIL headers.
>
>
> He accuses Nget of posting anonymously, but how is his style any better?
> Would
> Columbo be satisfied if Nget were to post a email address from a free
> service
> like Yahoo or Gmail too? I can tell exactly what city and state Nget is
> posting from and his ISP, hardly anonymous or trying to cover up his
> tracks as
> Jim claims.
If you can tell what ISP someone is posting from, then surely that is all
you have to know. One will have to have an account with the ISP and a
computer address.
> I have my newsreader set to display full headers above each message.
How do you do that Graham? I have the OE newsreader.
When
> dealing with a scumbag like Robert L. Bass in another newsgroup, one has
> to be
> sharp.
Graham, I do not know this Robert L. Bass like you do, but surely there has
never been a scumbag in the history of Usenet like Ed Gin. He steals
identities. I mean, how low can you get?
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 18:22:53
From:
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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nget,
Did you read the reasonable response I referred you to before being so
curt and unreasonable? I again respectfully refer you to what I wrote.
Just what is it that you have a problem with?
Jim McNaa
nget wrote:
> jimmymac_4@yahoo.com Wrote:
> > nget,
> >
> > I respectfully refer you to my latet post to you in "Jimmy Mac and
> > others time to quit".
> >
> > Jim McNaa
> I respectfully refer you to the door that says"EXIT"
>
>
> --
> nget
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 12:37:31
From:
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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nget,
I respectfully refer you to my latet post to you in "Jimmy Mac and
others time to quit".
Jim McNaa
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 09:31:13
From: nget
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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jimmymac_4@yahoo.com Wrote:
> nget,
>
> I respectfully refer you to my latet post to you in "Jimmy Mac and
> others time to quit".
>
> Jim McNaa
I respectfully refer you to the door that says"EXIT
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nget
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 10:11:40
From:
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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nget,
It just dawned on me ... No Gots Epic Testicles. So that's what nget
stands for. Speaking af animals and shit. Anyone who finds it
necessary to anonymously snipe from behind a Usenet email server that
obscures one's identity is a CHICKEN SHIT!
Jim McNaa
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 20:35:54
From: G. Morgan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Subject: Re: A Parting Word
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= > jimmymac_4@yahoo.com <= wrote:
>Anyone who finds it
>necessary to anonymously snipe from behind a Usenet email server that
>obscures one's identity is a CHICKEN SHIT!
You're not very good at reading headers, are you?
--
-Graham
Remove the snails to email
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 18:03:00
From: Dan B.
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Tom Sherman wrote:
> Dan B. wrote:
>
> > Tom Sherman wrote:
> >
> >>Dan B. wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Tom Sherman wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Picture of an adult size "bigwheel":
> >>>><http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/300x300k/bigwheel.jpg>.
> >>>>
> >>>>Note: Kitty not included.
> >>>>
> >>>>--
> >>>>Tom Sherman - Earth
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>(Aside: The Apache web server pitched me a 403 Forbidden when
> >>>attempting to hit that link directly...I had to start at the
> >>>http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/ level and work my way down.)
> >>>
> >>>That's kinda fun...your work?
> >>
> >>No. It is the creation of a rec.bicycles.tech regular who is also a
> >>professional machinist.
> >>
> >>I understand the hard part is teaching the cat to pedal. ;)
> >>
> >>--
> >>Tom Sherman - Earth
> >
> >
> > I would imagine teaching the cat how to draft would also be a
> > challenge. ;)
>
> Let's not go there! ;)
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth
Sorry...couldn't resist. :)
Dan
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 14:07:42
From: nget
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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G. Morgan Wrote:
> Subject: Re: A Parting Word
> Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
> => jimmymac_4@yahoo.com <= wrote:
>
> >Anyone who finds it
> >necessary to anonymously snipe from behind a Usenet email server that
> >obscures one's identity is a CHICKEN SHIT!
>
>
> You're not very good at reading headers, are you?
>
>
>
> --
>
> -Graham
>
> Remove the snails to email
Graham what ya doing thar partner fixen to make trouble are ya
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nget
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 22:05:33
From: G. Morgan
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Subject: Re: A Parting Word
Newsgroup: alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent
= > nget <= wrote:
>Graham what ya doing thar partner fixen to make trouble are ya?
Naaa, I won't spill the beans. I'll let Colombo figure it out.
--
-Graham
Remove the snails to email
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 05:34:51
From: nget
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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jimmymac_4@yahoo.com Wrote:
> nget,
>
> It just dawned on me ... No Gots Epic Testicles. So that's what nget
> stands for. Speaking af animals and shit. Anyone who finds it
> necessary to anonymously snipe from behind a Usenet email server that
> obscures one's identity is a CHICKEN SHIT!
>
> Jim McNaa
Didn't it ever dawn on you just to leave? Now take a hike pal
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nget
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 09:01:39
From:
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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nget,
Nope. Tell you what. You leave and I'll follow you. Ladies first.
How's that?
Jim McNaa
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 04:25:12
From: nget
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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jimmymac_4@yahoo.com Wrote:
> nget,
>
> Nope. Tell you what. You leave and I'll follow you. Ladies first.
> How's that?
>
> Jim McNaa
You are like a cat that shit on a hardwood floor,scratch all you wan
that pile just won't go away
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nget
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 17:53:13
From: Dan B.
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Tom Sherman wrote:
> Dan B. wrote:
>
> > Tom Sherman wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Picture of an adult size "bigwheel":
> >><http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/300x300k/bigwheel.jpg>.
> >>
> >>Note: Kitty not included.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Tom Sherman - Earth
> >
> >
> > (Aside: The Apache web server pitched me a 403 Forbidden when
> > attempting to hit that link directly...I had to start at the
> > http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/ level and work my way down.)
> >
> > That's kinda fun...your work?
>
> No. It is the creation of a rec.bicycles.tech regular who is also a
> professional machinist.
>
> I understand the hard part is teaching the cat to pedal. ;)
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth
I would imagine teaching the cat how to draft would also be a
challenge. ;)
Dan
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Date: 10 Feb 2005 20:01:51
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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Dan B. wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>>Dan B. wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Picture of an adult size "bigwheel":
>>>><http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/300x300k/bigwheel.jpg>.
>>>>
>>>>Note: Kitty not included.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Tom Sherman - Earth
>>>
>>>
>>>(Aside: The Apache web server pitched me a 403 Forbidden when
>>>attempting to hit that link directly...I had to start at the
>>>http://deadbabybikes.org/bikes/ level and work my way down.)
>>>
>>>That's kinda fun...your work?
>>
>>No. It is the creation of a rec.bicycles.tech regular who is also a
>>professional machinist.
>>
>>I understand the hard part is teaching the cat to pedal. ;)
>>
>>--
>>Tom Sherman - Earth
>
>
> I would imagine teaching the cat how to draft would also be a
> challenge. ;)
Let's not go there! ;)
--
Tom Sherman - Earth
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 18:13:50
From: nget
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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jimmymac_4@yahoo.com Wrote:
> Readership,
>
> Ed Gin relishes exhausting his opposition ... discouraging his
> adversary from making further posts. When someone becomes glutte
> from
> Ed Gin's bullshit and concludes that enough is enough, adds Ed to a
> kill file and refrains from responding, Ed regards this as an act of
> surrender ... an adversary vanquished ... a victory to be celebrated.
> The only reason that I've not yet terminated this squabble is because
> I'd rather not give Ed even that small shred of satisfaction. On the
> other hand, it is the readership that pays the price. They are the
> victims here. I feel that it would be selfish of me to pursue thi
> any
> longer and subject the readership to any further suffering. One thing
> that I learned from past skirmishes with Ed is that responding to him
> only serves to encourage him. He feeds off of responses much like a
> parasite feeds off of a host organism. Someone has to be the bigger
> person if this is to end. It may as well be me. Unfortunately, the
> readership will not entirely be spared, as Ed will undoubtedly select
> another victim. This is the nature of a parasite, in this case an
> ungoverned, unscrupulous, slimy, bottom feeding troll ... an oozing
> festering, canker on the hide of Internet forums.
>
> I suspect that there are those that consider Ed Gin, Ed Dolan and
> myself to be whackos. I suspect that there are those who respect me
> for taking Ed Gin on. I suspect that there are also those who will
> respect me for calling it quits. Unlike Ed, I've better things to do
> with my time, so he's all yours folks. I'm out of here. Gee, Ed ..
> I
> miss you already ... N O T !!!
>
> Jim McNaa
You're not gone yet
--
nget
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Date: 09 Feb 2005 18:13:50
From: nget
Subject: Re: A Parting Word
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jimmymac_4@yahoo.com Wrote:
> Readership,
>
> Ed Gin relishes exhausting his opposition ... discouraging his
> adversary from making further posts. When someone becomes glutte
> from
> Ed Gin's bullshit and concludes that enough is enough, adds Ed to a
> kill file and refrains from responding, Ed regards this as an act of
> surrender ... an adversary vanquished ... a victory to be celebrated.
> The only reason that I've not yet terminated this squabble is because
> I'd rather not give Ed even that small shred of satisfaction. On the
> other hand, it is the readership that pays the price. They are the
> victims here. I feel that it would be selfish of me to pursue thi
> any
> longer and subject the readership to any further suffering. One thing
> that I learned from past skirmishes with Ed is that responding to him
> only serves to encourage him. He feeds off of responses much like a
> parasite feeds off of a host organism. Someone has to be the bigger
> person if this is to end. It may as well be me. Unfortunately, the
> readership will not entirely be spared, as Ed will undoubtedly select
> another victim. This is the nature of a parasite, in this case an
> ungoverned, unscrupulous, slimy, bottom feeding troll ... an oozing
> festering, canker on the hide of Internet forums.
>
> I suspect that there are those that consider Ed Gin, Ed Dolan and
> myself to be whackos. I suspect that there are those who respect me
> for taking Ed Gin on. I suspect that there are also those who will
> respect me for calling it quits. Unlike Ed, I've better things to do
> with my time, so he's all yours folks. I'm out of here. Gee, Ed ..
> I
> miss you already ... N O T !!!
>
> Jim McNaa
You're not gone yet
--
nget
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