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Main Date: 19 Feb 2006 10:02:57 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Hey, trikes do look like lotsa fun! More expensive, hmm. Anyone in NYC (or some other metro area) do trikes? Besides poor Jeff Grippe (hope all is well). Just wondering. Links, etc., much appreciated. Don't expect to get into this for another decade at least -- and can't really imagine where I could ride, or how to transport such a contraption through the subways if necessary (hey, any you two-wheeled 'benters take the train with your bikes?) -- but it's an interesting idea which I think most girls would take to much more gladly than a 'bent, basically on account of the obvious safety thanks to three wheels...indeed, I think I read somewhere that trikes sell mostly to females!   Date: 28 Feb 2006 20:11:00 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > ... > Abandon all pleasure, you who will enter into my Order.... The heck with that. I am keeping my Red and Light Purple Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer(s) [TM] and Blue Earth Cycles Dragonflyer [TM]. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain Red and Purple Sunsets, Blue Dragonflyer   Date: 28 Feb 2006 11:40:00 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > Yes, I knew it was too good to not come from someone like Wilde. I consider > Oscar Wilde one of the greatest wits who ever lived. And it is why I never > attempt wit myself. After all, a man has got to know his limitations. Too bad he wasn't an Irish nationalist but was all homo, eh? > I used to enjoy reading Kipling when I was a kid, but he has fallen out of > favor. The empire that the English built was perhaps the most benign empire > ever in the entire history of man on this earth. Actually, that dubious honor is reseved for the United States -- an empire "by invitation." Or did you overlook the Irish? > We Americans will never be > able to accomplish anything so magnificent. We lack the will to rule and > have no staying power at all. Certainly not, if we leave it to the ilk of limbaugh, buccanan and bush fis. > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 01 Mar 2006 01:51:10 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141155600.471682.40010@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> We Americans will never be >> able to accomplish anything so magnificent. We lack the will to rule and >> have no staying power at all. > > Certainly not, if we leave it to the ilk of limbaugh, buccanan and bush > fis. Bush is making a mess of Iraq. We did not go into Iraq with enough troops to begin with, at least not for the purpose of a prolonged occupation. Also we are not nearly ruthless enough. We could learn a few lessons from the Nazis on how to be ruthless. The German occupation of Europe was never challenged by the conquered. It was only from the outside that they were defeated (mainly the Soviet Union). By the way, Buchanan is an isolationist and not a neo-conservative at all. He was a great Cold War warrior, but he has been out to lunch ever since the fall of the Soviet Union. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 27 Feb 2006 21:37:20 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > It discounts everything you have said (although you did not include it in > your message). But when you are not serious, who cares what is being said. I > am a master at this sort of thing myself and you should not even try to > compete with me in this arena. No one can be less serious (and more > unpleasant about it) than me when I put my mind to it. Surely you jest. > No one in this world cares about your FEELINGS, least of all me. All we care > about on newsgroups is intellectual discourse. Feelings are for women and > girlie men. Who cares. > As to a straw man argument, it is what you do all the time. You get > non-serious and then briefly serious. You can't have it both ways. You are > either serious or you aren't. I have decided you are not serious. That is > the way I will treat you from now on, as a non-serious clown and buffoon. Seriously, you need to lighten up. > It means you are not being serious. So yes, it is a straw man argument. In > fact, you are nothing but a straw man. After all, it takes one to know one. > Funny that you would think I would not recognize your various ploys nor know > how to deal with them. I kid you not. > You needed to address the conflict between nature and civilization, but I > realize now that all of this is beyond you. I leave you to your ignorance > which in any event is unconquerable. LOL -- "terra incogita" in your case! > I would not mention about being born in China if I were you. After all, most > of the world's people have been born in China - which is precisely the > problem. Too g.d. many Chinese. Obviously an evolutionary success! > Anyone who likes Chinese food is a slob. Everyone knows they eat shit. co Polo loved it. A billion served can't be wrong. > National Geographic is not bad. It will give you 5 minutes of useful > information, but you have to watch an hour show to get that 5 minutes. You obviously missed those five minutes. > But > it is still better to do that than to do what you do, riding your freaking > bike around town ogling the girls. What a waste of time that is! It's a numbers game, as any salesman knows. > By the way, f*** you too! Nothing but short shrift for you from now on. Just a** yourself if you enjoy l*te *ig** i**o***cials m*re. > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 28 Feb 2006 01:01:44 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141105040.251386.104790@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> It discounts everything you have said (although you did not include it in >> your message). But when you are not serious, who cares what is being >> said. I >> am a master at this sort of thing myself and you should not even try to >> compete with me in this arena. No one can be less serious (and more >> unpleasant about it) than me when I put my mind to it. > > Surely you jest. But more intelligently than you. >> No one in this world cares about your FEELINGS, least of all me. All we >> care >> about on newsgroups is intellectual discourse. Feelings are for women and >> girlie men. > > Who cares. I would not want to be a girlie man myself, but that is up to you. >> As to a straw man argument, it is what you do all the time. You get >> non-serious and then briefly serious. You can't have it both ways. You >> are >> either serious or you aren't. I have decided you are not serious. That >> is >> the way I will treat you from now on, as a non-serious clown and buffoon. > > Seriously, you need to lighten up. I know when to be light and when to be heavy. You don't. >> It means you are not being serious. So yes, it is a straw man argument. >> In >> fact, you are nothing but a straw man. After all, it takes one to know >> one. >> Funny that you would think I would not recognize your various ploys nor >> know >> how to deal with them. > > I kid you not. Nonsense, all you do is kid, but less intelligently than me. >> You needed to address the conflict between nature and civilization, but I >> realize now that all of this is beyond you. I leave you to your ignorance >> which in any event is unconquerable. > > LOL -- "terra incogita" in your case! That should be "terra incognita". >> I would not mention about being born in China if I were you. After all, >> most >> of the world's people have been born in China - which is precisely the >> problem. Too g.d. many Chinese. > > Obviously an evolutionary success! Not really. China has been backward like forever. No nation in the world has known famines like China has, not even India. Success does not equate with numbers. >> Anyone who likes Chinese food is a slob. Everyone knows they eat shit. > > co Polo loved it. A billion served can't be wrong. When you examine closely what is in oriental food, you realize they will eat anything. A billion most certainly can be wrong as eating anything beats eating nothing and starving to death. >> National Geographic is not bad. It will give you 5 minutes of useful >> information, but you have to watch an hour show to get that 5 minutes. > > You obviously missed those five minutes. Meaning absolutely nothing of course, but that is pretty much what you amount to all the time. >> But >> it is still better to do that than to do what you do, riding your >> freaking >> bike around town ogling the girls. What a waste of time that is! > > It's a numbers game, as any salesman knows. You are wasting your life in fantasy. Too bad, there are others who are not similarly wasting their lives. They will get ahead of you and you will end up in the toilet. But maybe that is where you belong. A Jew who does not acknowledge his religion and his heritage is human scum. I knew a few of your type when I was last in NY many years ago and I didn't like them any better then either. In fact, the only Jews I have ever liked were those who freely acknowledged their religion, their heritage and their loyalty to both. They were proud of who they were. Many of them wore those funny little caps on their heads. Like you, some of them were into chasing skirts, but they at least had some shame about it. Strip a man of his shame and you have nothing left but an ape-man, a parody of a human being. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 27 Feb 2006 20:41:50 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? People who put such a premium on identity take themselves much too seriously and would do well to grow up. Edward Dolan wrote: > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1141062250.661492.314000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... > > > > Go read Baruch Spinoza. He liberated Jews from Judaism. > > > > He made possible the current notion among most Jews that one can be > > ethnically Jewish and totally secular, atheistic. > > I believe that is impossible and a disservice to Jews and Judaism. The > history of the Jew in the 20th century would seem to prove Spinonza quite > wrong. Without his religion, the Jew will disappear from history. He will go > the way of the Philistine. > > It may be that only the tiny nation of Israel will save the Jew from those > such as yourself. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> > >> > >> Gary, I am too lazy to ever go to a link and read anything that I haven't > >> written myself. > >> > >> However, being rational and thoughtful has nothing to do with sticking by > >> your religion and your tradition. For the Jew, that is one and the same > >> thing. The Jew abandons his religion at his peril. It is the one thing > >> that > >> has ensured his survival down through the millennia. Why is the Jew still > >> with us and not the Philistine? The answer is a religion based on a Book. > >> The Word is very powerful indeed, especially when it is written down. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > >> aka > >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >     Date: 28 Feb 2006 00:02:48 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141101710.386355.92720@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > People who put such a premium on identity take themselves much too > seriously and would do well to grow up. Group identity is everything, It always has been and it always will be - especially in times of crisis when your very life is at stake. The individual is nothing, the group is everything. You would be well advised to get your head screwed on straight. The Jew is by no means secure in this world, not even in the US. The Jew is the perfect scapegoat for any grievance that people may have. I urge you to read the history of your people. It is even worse than that of the Irish - which is saying a lot! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 27 Feb 2006 23:01:06 From: GaryG Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:FuSdnf46h5YOep7Z4p2dnA@prairiewave.com... > > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1141101710.386355.92720@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > > > People who put such a premium on identity take themselves much too > > seriously and would do well to grow up. > > Group identity is everything, It always has been and it always will be - > especially in times of crisis when your very life is at stake. > > The individual is nothing, the group is everything. So choose a different group...personally, I prefer to be identified as a member of the human race, rather than an adherent of some ancient myths. The history of the world is replete with the comings and goings of a many "one true religion(s)" and "God's chosen people". Wake up...they're all a fantasy. The Greek and Roman gods had their heyday, as did the Mayans and Aztecs, and others. The god of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims will suffer the same fate someday. GG > > You would be well advised to get your head screwed on straight. The Jew is > by no means secure in this world, not even in the US. The Jew is the perfect > scapegoat for any grievance that people may have. I urge you to read the > history of your people. It is even worse than that of the Irish - which is > saying a lot! > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >         Date: 28 Feb 2006 02:06:02 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com > wrote in message news:0zSMf.1905$O25.538@fe02.lga... > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:FuSdnf46h5YOep7Z4p2dnA@prairiewave.com... >> >> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1141101710.386355.92720@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > People who put such a premium on identity take themselves much too >> > seriously and would do well to grow up. >> >> Group identity is everything, It always has been and it always will be - >> especially in times of crisis when your very life is at stake. >> >> The individual is nothing, the group is everything. > > So choose a different group...personally, I prefer to be identified as a > member of the human race, rather than an adherent of some ancient myths. Sorry Gary, that won't work. The recent wars in the Balkans proved that much at least. You were in imminent danger of being killed (murdered) depending on whether you were Serb, Croat, Bosnian or whatever. And the rest of Europe stood by and let it happen. As much as I don't like Clinton he surely did the right thing by stepping in and bombing the hell out of the Serbs. It was Clinton's finest hour as far as I was concerned. In the final analysis, there is no such thing as the human race. Maybe that will happen when we are visited and threatened by aliens, but that is not here now. That is why incidentally I am a rabid American. I want to forge an American identity that we can take to war and kick ass all over the world if need be. The Muslims present a very interesting threat to the West. I think we Americans will know how to react to the threat, but I am not at all sure about the Europeans. They seem almost suicidal in some ways. Do they want to survive or don't they? That is the question. > The history of the world is replete with the comings and goings of a many > "one true religion(s)" and "God's chosen people". Wake up...they're all a > fantasy. The Greek and Roman gods had their heyday, as did the Mayans and > Aztecs, and others. The god of the Jews, Christians, and Muslims will > suffer > the same fate someday. I am not interested at all in the "one, true religion" thing. But if any religion has the capacity to become the universal religion of all mankind, it is Christianity and only Christianity. The Muslims know this better than anyone else. The Jews are not God's chosen people anymore than the Christians are. But the Jews are a very distinct people, almost a tribe really, and it is their religion that has preserved them down through the centuries. I simply can't stand a Jew who does not acknowledge the importance of his religion to his people's survival. Really, a secular Jew ought to be a contradiction in terms. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 27 Feb 2006 18:29:15 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Kurt Fischer wrote: > > > Bicicletas reclinadas do Brazil? ;-) Ack! Is there no escape from the middle-aged fatty??? > http://www.zohrer.com.br/filmes/zohrer2.wmv > > http://www.zohrer.com.br/gifabertura.gif We really need more women in this hobby. How can we make 'bents sexy? I already know the chicks will love the safety and comfort of a CLWB like the HP Velotechnik Spirit, which is why I'm ordering that in the summer as a guest bike. But we really need to get away from this balding areospace engineer image, fellas. Don't any of y'all have daughters you'd be willing to sacrifice? > And now please stop this talking about beach beauties and micro bikinis, > we had 10 inches of new snow this morning again. ;-) Which reminds me...them Scandanavian girls have this custom of rushing out of the sauna right into the snow all naked...sehr erholsung.... > Kurt     Date: 28 Feb 2006 10:48:30 From: Kurt Fischer Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote: > Ack! Is there no escape from the middle-aged fatty??? You mean FOG's(Fat Old Guys)? That's mostly an american problem. Go to Europe and you'll find a considerable number of younger, well trained riders on recumbents. Women are still the vast minority, though. > We really need more women in this hobby. How can we make 'bents sexy? I see no logic connection between your statement and your question. You won't get women on recumbents by making 'bents "sexy" in the sense of: "semi-naked models posing on recumbents". That's a male fantasy, women tend to think more practically: How much does it cost? Will it fit me? What can I do with it?... > I already know the chicks will love the safety and comfort of a CLWB > like the HP Velotechnik Spirit, which is why I'm ordering that in the > summer as a guest bike. But we really need to get away from this > balding areospace engineer image, fellas. Chicks may love the safety and the comfort, but most of them don't like the sensation they attract when riding a recumbent. So it comes down to the old chicken-egg problem: As long as recumbents are rare, hardly anyone is willing to take the plunge, as soon as they are mainstream, everyone will ride them. Problem is how to make recumbents more popular. Lower the price(not the pants) and make them easily available, show celebrities riding them, but in the first line: ride it yourself. In my eyes that's the first and most important promotion for recumbents. > Don't any of y'all have daughters you'd be willing to sacrifice? Speaking of daughters, I find it interesting that KMX-Karts dedicates a page especially to girls: http://www.kmxkarts.co.uk/jodiespage.html > > And now please stop this talking about beach beauties and micro bikinis, > > we had 10 inches of new snow this morning again. ;-) > > Which reminds me...them Scandanavian girls have this custom of rushing > out of the sauna right into the snow all naked...sehr erholsung.... Well, lying naked in the snow certainly is a very special form of beeing "recumbent". ;-) Kurt       Date: 28 Feb 2006 06:36:11 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Kurt Fischer" <Imogkoanspam@web.de > wrote in message news:1hbgrt9.1qgnsgfykdqwuN@news.dfncis.de... > NYC XYZ <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote: [...] >> We really need more women in this hobby. How can we make 'bents sexy? > > I see no logic connection between your statement and your question. You > won't get women on recumbents by making 'bents "sexy" in the sense of: > "semi-naked models posing on recumbents". That's a male fantasy, women > tend to think more practically: How much does it cost? Will it fit me? > What can I do with it?... Amen to that male fantasy bit! I truly do not think men are capable of understanding women at all. Fortunately for us, women do understand us men much better. >> I already know the chicks will love the safety and comfort of a CLWB >> like the HP Velotechnik Spirit, which is why I'm ordering that in the >> summer as a guest bike. But we really need to get away from this >> balding areospace engineer image, fellas. > > Chicks may love the safety and the comfort, but most of them don't like > the sensation they attract when riding a recumbent. So it comes down to > the old chicken-egg problem: As long as recumbents are rare, hardly > anyone is willing to take the plunge, as soon as they are mainstream, > everyone will ride them. Problem is how to make recumbents more popular. > > Lower the price(not the pants) and make them easily available, show > celebrities riding them, but in the first line: ride it yourself. In my > eyes that's the first and most important promotion for recumbents. [...] It is always a pleasure to read Kurt Fischer of Germany. He is just so sensible and reasonable. He restores my faith in humanity after having to put up with so many idiots here on ARBR. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 27 Feb 2006 23:21:43 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141093754.979506.28990@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > Kurt Fischer wrote: >> >> >> Bicicletas reclinadas do Brazil? ;-) > > Ack! Is there no escape from the middle-aged fatty??? > >> http://www.zohrer.com.br/filmes/zohrer2.wmv >> >> http://www.zohrer.com.br/gifabertura.gif > > We really need more women in this hobby. How can we make 'bents sexy? > I already know the chicks will love the safety and comfort of a CLWB > like the HP Velotechnik Spirit, which is why I'm ordering that in the > summer as a guest bike. But we really need to get away from this > balding areospace engineer image, fellas. > > Don't any of y'all have daughters you'd be willing to sacrifice? > >> And now please stop this talking about beach beauties and micro bikinis, >> we had 10 inches of new snow this morning again. ;-) > > Which reminds me...them Scandanavian girls have this custom of rushing > out of the sauna right into the snow all naked...sehr erholsung.... > >> Kurt Any woman who shows up on ARBR will have to fall into the mold of Our Blessed Lady, the Virgin y. Either that or she won't last long because of Saint Edward the Great. NYC, the libidinous Jew and Bill, the lascivious Gentile, will have to get their own group where they can pimp the sluts all they like. I assure you, that will never happen here on ARBR while Saint Edward the Great is at the gate. I know exactly how to treat a woman who is not a lady. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 28 Feb 2006 08:33:43 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1141093754.979506.28990@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > >>Kurt Fischer wrote: >> >>> >>>Bicicletas reclinadas do Brazil? ;-) >> >>Ack! Is there no escape from the middle-aged fatty??? >> >> >>>http://www.zohrer.com.br/filmes/zohrer2.wmv >>> >>>http://www.zohrer.com.br/gifabertura.gif >> >>We really need more women in this hobby. How can we make 'bents sexy? >>I already know the chicks will love the safety and comfort of a CLWB >>like the HP Velotechnik Spirit, which is why I'm ordering that in the >>summer as a guest bike. But we really need to get away from this >>balding areospace engineer image, fellas. >> >>Don't any of y'all have daughters you'd be willing to sacrifice? >> >> >>>And now please stop this talking about beach beauties and micro bikinis, >>>we had 10 inches of new snow this morning again. ;-) >> >>Which reminds me...them Scandanavian girls have this custom of rushing >>out of the sauna right into the snow all naked...sehr erholsung.... >> >> >>>Kurt Now I really want to visit Scandinavia. One of my friends went there on business and they have no qualms about getting completely naked in the steam houses with the men (too damn hot for sex anyway) and then jumping into the snow or semi frozen lake. My kind of place. Bill > > > Any woman who shows up on ARBR will have to fall into the mold of Our > Blessed Lady, the Virgin y. Either that or she won't last long because of > Saint Edward the Great. NYC, the libidinous Jew and Bill, the lascivious > Gentile, will have to get their own group where they can pimp the sluts all > they like. I assure you, that will never happen here on ARBR while Saint > Edward the Great is at the gate. I know exactly how to treat a woman who is > not a lady. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >       Date: 27 Feb 2006 23:22:42 From: GaryG Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:muadnXNV3a9vQJ7ZRVn-gw@prairiewave.com... > > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1141093754.979506.28990@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > Kurt Fischer wrote: > >> > >> > >> Bicicletas reclinadas do Brazil? ;-) > > > > Ack! Is there no escape from the middle-aged fatty??? > > > >> http://www.zohrer.com.br/filmes/zohrer2.wmv > >> > >> http://www.zohrer.com.br/gifabertura.gif > > > > We really need more women in this hobby. How can we make 'bents sexy? > > I already know the chicks will love the safety and comfort of a CLWB > > like the HP Velotechnik Spirit, which is why I'm ordering that in the > > summer as a guest bike. But we really need to get away from this > > balding areospace engineer image, fellas. > > > > Don't any of y'all have daughters you'd be willing to sacrifice? > > > >> And now please stop this talking about beach beauties and micro bikinis, > >> we had 10 inches of new snow this morning again. ;-) > > > > Which reminds me...them Scandanavian girls have this custom of rushing > > out of the sauna right into the snow all naked...sehr erholsung.... > > > >> Kurt > > Any woman who shows up on ARBR will have to fall into the mold of Our > Blessed Lady, the Virgin y. Either that or she won't last long because of > Saint Edward the Great. NYC, the libidinous Jew and Bill, the lascivious > Gentile, will have to get their own group where they can pimp the sluts all > they like. I assure you, that will never happen here on ARBR while Saint > Edward the Great is at the gate. I know exactly how to treat a woman who is > not a lady. I'll bet you treat the young boys pretty well too, eh? GG > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >         Date: 28 Feb 2006 03:37:04 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com > wrote in message news:eTSMf.898$%F5.329@fe03.lga... > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:muadnXNV3a9vQJ7ZRVn-gw@prairiewave.com... >> >> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1141093754.979506.28990@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Kurt Fischer wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Bicicletas reclinadas do Brazil? ;-) >> > >> > Ack! Is there no escape from the middle-aged fatty??? >> > >> >> http://www.zohrer.com.br/filmes/zohrer2.wmv >> >> >> >> http://www.zohrer.com.br/gifabertura.gif >> > >> > We really need more women in this hobby. How can we make 'bents sexy? >> > I already know the chicks will love the safety and comfort of a CLWB >> > like the HP Velotechnik Spirit, which is why I'm ordering that in the >> > summer as a guest bike. But we really need to get away from this >> > balding areospace engineer image, fellas. >> > >> > Don't any of y'all have daughters you'd be willing to sacrifice? >> > >> >> And now please stop this talking about beach beauties and micro > bikinis, >> >> we had 10 inches of new snow this morning again. ;-) >> > >> > Which reminds me...them Scandanavian girls have this custom of rushing >> > out of the sauna right into the snow all naked...sehr erholsung.... >> > >> >> Kurt >> >> Any woman who shows up on ARBR will have to fall into the mold of Our >> Blessed Lady, the Virgin y. Either that or she won't last long because > of >> Saint Edward the Great. NYC, the libidinous Jew and Bill, the lascivious >> Gentile, will have to get their own group where they can pimp the sluts > all >> they like. I assure you, that will never happen here on ARBR while Saint >> Edward the Great is at the gate. I know exactly how to treat a woman who > is >> not a lady. > > I'll bet you treat the young boys pretty well too, eh? Mention mother f***ing next why don't you, like the niggers do. Maybe you and NYC could get together and go out cruising on your bikes ogling the girls and, in your case, the boys too. But watch out for those homeboys there in the Bronx. They will whip your ass if they see you eyeing their girls without their permission. But hey, f*** you altogether GaryG (an anonymous coward who hides behind a user name). Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 27 Feb 2006 11:08:33 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Dude, I ain't from Judah and Benjamin, but Sinim: http://tulsa.craigslist.org/m4w/136014026.html Now where's that full-suspension latina 'bent I ordered for a ride? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > Here is the libidinous, lascivious Jew at his worst - or is it his best. > Well, this is what happens when a Jew abandons his religion for the secular > life. Before you know it, he is just into ass and tits, ass and tits, ass > and tits ... All of which leads me to believe that the Jew is totally lost > in this world without his religion to anchor him. > > I am Saint Edward the Great of the Order of the Perpetual Sorrows and I can > tell you all will ever have to know to get along in this world of woe. > Abandon all pleasure, you who will enter into my Order. I will open the > Gates of Hell before you and show you what your pathetic pleasures amount > to. Better yet, I will consign you to the eternal flames where your rotten > soul may burn forever. Unlike the Spanish Inquisition, I do not want to save > your soul. Nay, I want you to lose it since it is not worth anything. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 27 Feb 2006 22:18:57 From: Kurt Fischer Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote: > Now where's that full-suspension latina 'bent I ordered for a ride? Bicicletas reclinadas do Brazil? ;-) http://www.zohrer.com.br/filmes/zohrer2.wmv http://www.zohrer.com.br/gifabertura.gif And now please stop this talking about beach beauties and micro bikinis, we had 10 inches of new snow this morning again. ;-) Kurt       Date: 27 Feb 2006 21:39:31 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Kurt Fischer wrote: > NYC XYZ <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>Now where's that full-suspension latina 'bent I ordered for a ride? > > > Bicicletas reclinadas do Brazil? ;-) > > http://www.zohrer.com.br/filmes/zohrer2.wmv > > http://www.zohrer.com.br/gifabertura.gif > > And now please stop this talking about beach beauties and micro bikinis, > we had 10 inches of new snow this morning again. ;-) > > > Kurt It is a summer 'sport' even in California. No bikinis in Feb or ch. July however, wow. 'nuff said. Bill   Date: 27 Feb 2006 10:27:17 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Bill Baka wrote: > > I can one up you on that easily. Go to Los Angeles and ride the bike > trail along the beaches on a July Saturday or Sunday and all the micro > bikinis on all the babes there will make you fall off the bike, > repeatedly. Or you can just stop and drool, er watch a female volleyball > game. Been there, done that, no comparison. > Bill You mean Venice Beach or something like that? I suppose you might have a point there, then...even during summertime you won't find anyone walking around in a bikini off the beach or boardwalk in NYC the way you see in those movies set in LA...or is that just the movies? Anyway, I'll take one of these fine young latinitasses here any time...more tits and ass than two typical white girls put together!     Date: 27 Feb 2006 20:37:02 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > Bill Baka wrote: > >>I can one up you on that easily. Go to Los Angeles and ride the bike >>trail along the beaches on a July Saturday or Sunday and all the micro >>bikinis on all the babes there will make you fall off the bike, >>repeatedly. Or you can just stop and drool, er watch a female volleyball >>game. Been there, done that, no comparison. >>Bill > > > > > You mean Venice Beach or something like that? Venice beach or Manhattan beach or Santa Monica, wherever. It is like a 30 mile stretch of babes in the summer. The only biking hazard is the girls rollerblading on the sidewalk, end they are show stoppers, too. It is like an international '10s' meeting, yummy. Bill > > I suppose you might have a point there, then...even during summertime > you won't find anyone walking around in a bikini off the beach or > boardwalk in NYC the way you see in those movies set in LA...or is that > just the movies? > > Anyway, I'll take one of these fine young latinitasses here any > time...more tits and ass than two typical white girls put together! >       Date: 27 Feb 2006 23:11:46 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Bill Baka" <LARRYS707@SBCGLOBAL.NET > wrote in message news:OpJMf.54986$dW3.24868@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > NYC XYZ wrote: >> Bill Baka wrote: >> >>>I can one up you on that easily. Go to Los Angeles and ride the bike >>>trail along the beaches on a July Saturday or Sunday and all the micro >>>bikinis on all the babes there will make you fall off the bike, >>>repeatedly. Or you can just stop and drool, er watch a female volleyball >>>game. Been there, done that, no comparison. >>>Bill >> >> >> >> >> You mean Venice Beach or something like that? > > Venice beach or Manhattan beach or Santa Monica, wherever. It is like a 30 > mile stretch of babes in the summer. The only biking hazard is the girls > rollerblading on the sidewalk, end they are show stoppers, too. > It is like an international '10s' meeting, yummy. > Bill >> >> I suppose you might have a point there, then...even during summertime >> you won't find anyone walking around in a bikini off the beach or >> boardwalk in NYC the way you see in those movies set in LA...or is that >> just the movies? >> >> Anyway, I'll take one of these fine young latinitasses here any >> time...more tits and ass than two typical white girls put together! Just a couple of assholes who are into ass and tits, ass and tits, ass and tits ... nothing but ass and tits. They should get their own separate newsgroup where they could discuss this subject endlessly without embarrassing the rest of us. They could name their newsgroup alt.rec.assandtits. There are several other scum bags I know of on ARBR who would be delighted to become members of such a group. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 28 Feb 2006 08:30:28 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > "Bill Baka" <LARRYS707@SBCGLOBAL.NET> wrote in message > news:OpJMf.54986$dW3.24868@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > >>NYC XYZ wrote: >> >>>Bill Baka wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I can one up you on that easily. Go to Los Angeles and ride the bike >>>>trail along the beaches on a July Saturday or Sunday and all the micro >>>>bikinis on all the babes there will make you fall off the bike, >>>>repeatedly. Or you can just stop and drool, er watch a female volleyball >>>>game. Been there, done that, no comparison. >>>>Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>You mean Venice Beach or something like that? >> >>Venice beach or Manhattan beach or Santa Monica, wherever. It is like a 30 >>mile stretch of babes in the summer. The only biking hazard is the girls >>rollerblading on the sidewalk, end they are show stoppers, too. >>It is like an international '10s' meeting, yummy. >>Bill >> >>>I suppose you might have a point there, then...even during summertime >>>you won't find anyone walking around in a bikini off the beach or >>>boardwalk in NYC the way you see in those movies set in LA...or is that >>>just the movies? >>> >>>Anyway, I'll take one of these fine young latinitasses here any >>>time...more tits and ass than two typical white girls put together! > > > Just a couple of assholes who are into ass and tits, ass and tits, ass and > tits ... nothing but ass and tits. They should get their own separate > newsgroup where they could discuss this subject endlessly without > embarrassing the rest of us. They could name their newsgroup > alt.rec.assandtits. There are several other scum bags I know of on ARBR who > would be delighted to become members of such a group. I am definitely not just into tits and ass, there must also be a brain to be of interest, and I find women with small breasts to be much more fun under the sheets, like they are trying to compensate, not that they need to. Bill > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > >           Date: 28 Feb 2006 04:07:04 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Bill Baka" <LARRYS707@SBCGLOBAL.NET > wrote in message news:ESTMf.16336$rL5.11350@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "Bill Baka" <LARRYS707@SBCGLOBAL.NET> wrote in message >> news:OpJMf.54986$dW3.24868@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... >> >>>NYC XYZ wrote: [...] >>>>Anyway, I'll take one of these fine young latinitasses here any >>>>time...more tits and ass than two typical white girls put together! >> >> >> Just a couple of assholes who are into ass and tits, ass and tits, ass >> and tits ... nothing but ass and tits. They should get their own separate >> newsgroup where they could discuss this subject endlessly without >> embarrassing the rest of us. They could name their newsgroup >> alt.rec.assandtits. There are several other scum bags I know of on ARBR >> who would be delighted to become members of such a group. > > I am definitely not just into tits and ass, there must also be a brain to > be of interest, and I find women with small breasts to be much more fun > under the sheets, like they are trying to compensate, not that they need > to. I am put off by men who go on and on about women. In a well ordered world, a man would only really be able to talk about a very few women and finally just one woman, his wife. But I recognize it is just all talk anyway. The main mission of women is to constrain men and they do an excellent job of it to all except for those few men who turn out to be monsters. It may be that NYC is just such a monster. If you are going from one woman to the next based on her bust size, then you are a monster too. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 27 Feb 2006 23:18:57 From: GaryG Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:XLGdncB2rJwARp7ZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@prairiewave.com... > > "Bill Baka" <LARRYS707@SBCGLOBAL.NET> wrote in message > news:OpJMf.54986$dW3.24868@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > > NYC XYZ wrote: > >> Bill Baka wrote: > >> > >>>I can one up you on that easily. Go to Los Angeles and ride the bike > >>>trail along the beaches on a July Saturday or Sunday and all the micro > >>>bikinis on all the babes there will make you fall off the bike, > >>>repeatedly. Or you can just stop and drool, er watch a female volleyball > >>>game. Been there, done that, no comparison. > >>>Bill > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> You mean Venice Beach or something like that? > > > > Venice beach or Manhattan beach or Santa Monica, wherever. It is like a 30 > > mile stretch of babes in the summer. The only biking hazard is the girls > > rollerblading on the sidewalk, end they are show stoppers, too. > > It is like an international '10s' meeting, yummy. > > Bill > >> > >> I suppose you might have a point there, then...even during summertime > >> you won't find anyone walking around in a bikini off the beach or > >> boardwalk in NYC the way you see in those movies set in LA...or is that > >> just the movies? > >> > >> Anyway, I'll take one of these fine young latinitasses here any > >> time...more tits and ass than two typical white girls put together! > > Just a couple of assholes who are into ass and tits, ass and tits, ass and > tits ... nothing but ass and tits. LOL...we should all be like you...feeling ashamed of sexuality, afraid of being a "sinner", and desperately trying to be a "real man". Are you sure you're not still in the closet? GG > They should get their own separate > newsgroup where they could discuss this subject endlessly without > embarrassing the rest of us. They could name their newsgroup > alt.rec.assandtits. There are several other scum bags I know of on ARBR who > would be delighted to become members of such a group. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > >           Date: 28 Feb 2006 03:25:07 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com > wrote in message news:JPSMf.880$%F5.490@fe03.lga... > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:XLGdncB2rJwARp7ZnZ2dnUVZ_t2dnZ2d@prairiewave.com... >> > NYC XYZ wrote: [...] >> >> Anyway, I'll take one of these fine young latinitasses here any >> >> time...more tits and ass than two typical white girls put together! >> >> Just a couple of assholes who are into ass and tits, ass and tits, ass >> and >> tits ... nothing but ass and tits. > > LOL...we should all be like you...feeling ashamed of sexuality, afraid of > being a "sinner", and desperately trying to be a "real man". > > Are you sure you're not still in the closet? Oh for Christ's sakes Gary, I spent 4 long years in the Navy and listened to this kind of shit all day long and well into the night. I got so g.d. sick of it that I resolved I was not going to bother with crap like that ever again. I would like to know the ages of everyone who is engaged in this thread. I think NYC is young and is therefore an idiot. I do not know about the rest of you. You are just coming across as astoundingly stupid. There is absolutely nothing you can tell me about sex that I don't already know in spades. But to blather about it in a public forum ks you as beyond stupid. Like I said, I will make some allowances for the young because their brains are not fully formed, but what is your excuse. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota >> They should get their own separate >> newsgroup where they could discuss this subject endlessly without >> embarrassing the rest of us. They could name their newsgroup >> alt.rec.assandtits. There are several other scum bags I know of on ARBR > who >> would be delighted to become members of such a group.   Date: 27 Feb 2006 10:24:46 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > > An awful lot of really bad anthropology was done early in the last century. > All that free and easy sex of the South Sea Islands was not what it first > appeared to be. garet Mead, for instance, got almost everything wrong. In > addition, there are very few matriarchal societies. Men will always rule the > roost, no matter how lineage is defined. True there are very few matriarchal societies, still. True Ms. Mead fibbed a lot of her research. Does not discount anything I've said. And I don't care if men rule the roost. I live as I do, still, 'bents and all. > So ... just another reason not to take it as a casual thing, unless you > don't mind being murdered for a little sex. I'd die happy. That's good enough for me. Ah, my own Liebestod! I look forward to this summer's crop of newly-pubescent latinas. > You are now doing what you accuse Peter Clinch of doing, going away from the > topic under discussion with a straw man. Actually, in point of fact, you are, right now, this very moment! I do not digress in noting my own feelings on the matter of men, women, and sex. Very a propos, even if you disagree. Do you even know what a straw man argument is? > You cannot compare sex to having a > cup of coffee without being absurd. > [...] So you disagree. Doesn't mean this is a straw man argument. > We are never far removed from Nature. Civilization is a very thin veneer > which just barely covers our nakedness. Like I said, eating and sex are any > creature's two main activities. Not moot at all! So what's your excuse? > So you are a Jew who was born in China. So what does your place of birth > have to do with anything? OMG.... > You are even a greater fool than I suspected. A Jew who does not know his > roots and acknowledge them is an abomination. Instead of flouncing around > NY, you should go to Israel and do something worthwhile for your people and > your nation (Israel). > [...] ROTFLMFAO!!!! I know Jews like Chinese food, but that's no reason to suspect we're a Lost Tribe! > No sun, no life. It doesn't get much simpler than that. Like I said, you need to watch some more National Geographic. > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 27 Feb 2006 23:04:28 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141064686.753684.126830@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> >> An awful lot of really bad anthropology was done early in the last >> century. >> All that free and easy sex of the South Sea Islands was not what it first >> appeared to be. garet Mead, for instance, got almost everything wrong. >> In >> addition, there are very few matriarchal societies. Men will always rule >> the >> roost, no matter how lineage is defined. > > True there are very few matriarchal societies, still. True Ms. Mead > fibbed a lot of her research. Does not discount anything I've said. > And I don't care if men rule the roost. I live as I do, still, 'bents > and all. It discounts everything you have said (although you did not include it in your message). But when you are not serious, who cares what is being said. I am a master at this sort of thing myself and you should not even try to compete with me in this arena. No one can be less serious (and more unpleasant about it) than me when I put my mind to it. >> So ... just another reason not to take it as a casual thing, unless you >> don't mind being murdered for a little sex. > > I'd die happy. That's good enough for me. Ah, my own Liebestod! I > look forward to this summer's crop of newly-pubescent latinas. > >> You are now doing what you accuse Peter Clinch of doing, going away from >> the >> topic under discussion with a straw man. > > Actually, in point of fact, you are, right now, this very moment! I do > not digress in noting my own feelings on the matter of men, women, and > sex. Very a propos, even if you disagree. Do you even know what a > straw man argument is? No one in this world cares about your FEELINGS, least of all me. All we care about on newsgroups is intellectual discourse. Feelings are for women and girlie men. As to a straw man argument, it is what you do all the time. You get non-serious and then briefly serious. You can't have it both ways. You are either serious or you aren't. I have decided you are not serious. That is the way I will treat you from now on, as a non-serious clown and buffoon. >> You cannot compare sex to having a >> cup of coffee without being absurd. >> [...] > > So you disagree. Doesn't mean this is a straw man argument. It means you are not being serious. So yes, it is a straw man argument. In fact, you are nothing but a straw man. After all, it takes one to know one. Funny that you would think I would not recognize your various ploys nor know how to deal with them. >> We are never far removed from Nature. Civilization is a very thin veneer >> which just barely covers our nakedness. Like I said, eating and sex are >> any >> creature's two main activities. Not moot at all! > > So what's your excuse? You needed to address the conflict between nature and civilization, but I realize now that all of this is beyond you. I leave you to your ignorance which in any event is unconquerable. >> So you are a Jew who was born in China. So what does your place of birth >> have to do with anything? > > OMG.... I would not mention about being born in China if I were you. After all, most of the world's people have been born in China - which is precisely the problem. Too g.d. many Chinese. >> You are even a greater fool than I suspected. A Jew who does not know his >> roots and acknowledge them is an abomination. Instead of flouncing around >> NY, you should go to Israel and do something worthwhile for your people >> and >> your nation (Israel). >> [...] > > ROTFLMFAO!!!! >> You are even a greater fool than I suspected. A Jew who does not know his >> roots and acknowledge them is an abomination. Instead of flouncing around >> NY, you should go to Israel and do something worthwhile for your people >> and >> your nation (Israel). > I know Jews like Chinese food, but that's no reason to suspect we're a > Lost Tribe! Anyone who likes Chinese food is a slob. Everyone knows they eat shit. >> No sun, no life. It doesn't get much simpler than that. > > Like I said, you need to watch some more National Geographic. National Geographic is not bad. It will give you 5 minutes of useful information, but you have to watch an hour show to get that 5 minutes. But it is still better to do that than to do what you do, riding your freaking bike around town ogling the girls. What a waste of time that is! By the way, f*** you too! Nothing but short shrift for you from now on. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 27 Feb 2006 09:44:10 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Go read Baruch Spinoza. He liberated Jews from Judaism. He made possible the current notion among most Jews that one can be ethnically Jewish and totally secular, atheistic. Edward Dolan wrote: > > > Gary, I am too lazy to ever go to a link and read anything that I haven't > written myself. > > However, being rational and thoughtful has nothing to do with sticking by > your religion and your tradition. For the Jew, that is one and the same > thing. The Jew abandons his religion at his peril. It is the one thing that > has ensured his survival down through the millennia. Why is the Jew still > with us and not the Philistine? The answer is a religion based on a Book. > The Word is very powerful indeed, especially when it is written down. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 27 Feb 2006 21:50:44 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141062250.661492.314000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... > > Go read Baruch Spinoza. He liberated Jews from Judaism. > > He made possible the current notion among most Jews that one can be > ethnically Jewish and totally secular, atheistic. I believe that is impossible and a disservice to Jews and Judaism. The history of the Jew in the 20th century would seem to prove Spinonza quite wrong. Without his religion, the Jew will disappear from history. He will go the way of the Philistine. It may be that only the tiny nation of Israel will save the Jew from those such as yourself. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> Gary, I am too lazy to ever go to a link and read anything that I haven't >> written myself. >> >> However, being rational and thoughtful has nothing to do with sticking by >> your religion and your tradition. For the Jew, that is one and the same >> thing. The Jew abandons his religion at his peril. It is the one thing >> that >> has ensured his survival down through the millennia. Why is the Jew still >> with us and not the Philistine? The answer is a religion based on a Book. >> The Word is very powerful indeed, especially when it is written down. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> aka >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota >   Date: 26 Feb 2006 20:34:54 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > > I agree that Homo sapiens are creepy. No other species take enjoyment > in being deliberately cruel. > > -- > Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain Speaking of which, it's a real puzzle why evolution hasn't selected out gays. The current theory is that they help protect siblings; they themselves won't reproduce, but given our social nature they will help see their siblings' offspring off to a good start, etc. Basically, they're evolutionary support troops. Or maybe gay apes really knew how to groom for lice?     Date: 05 Mar 2006 16:06:25 From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com> wrote ... > ... come back and talk to me and maybe we can make some sense together. Look out, Gary. I think Ed's taken a shine to you.     Date: 05 Mar 2006 13:15:03 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Bill Baka wrote: > > > Paul Harvey said this week it is not the blacks we have to worry about. > The nation is now 1/5 Mexican and in ten years will be 1/4. Whites are > in serious trouble about becoming the minority that can't complain. > Bill > No Habla F$%cking Espanol! Haha, thank God I'm not white, and lucky for you there's usenet! But I find it odd you feel threatened as a white person. Ed the Grate just sounds like someone whose own life passed him by (chuckle) but what's your excuse? I love latinas, I think they're typically very sexy, but they're very noisy so it gets quite annoying. But what's your gripe?       Date: 06 Mar 2006 01:29:47 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > Bill Baka wrote: > >> >>Paul Harvey said this week it is not the blacks we have to worry about. >>The nation is now 1/5 Mexican and in ten years will be 1/4. Whites are >>in serious trouble about becoming the minority that can't complain. >>Bill >>No Habla F$%cking Espanol! > > > > > Haha, thank God I'm not white, and lucky for you there's usenet! But I > find it odd you feel threatened as a white person. Ed the Grate just > sounds like someone whose own life passed him by (chuckle) but what's > your excuse? > > I love latinas, I think they're typically very sexy, but they're very > noisy so it gets quite annoying. But what's your gripe? > Most of them won't bother to speak English and expect us to speak Spanish and label everything in both languages. Fine until the Chinese, Punjabis, Arabs, and everybody else starts making the same demands. And I hate their music. That's all. Bill       Date: 05 Mar 2006 16:10:02 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141593303.268154.241820@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Bill Baka wrote: >> >> >> Paul Harvey said this week it is not the blacks we have to worry about. >> The nation is now 1/5 Mexican and in ten years will be 1/4. Whites are >> in serious trouble about becoming the minority that can't complain. >> Bill >> No Habla F$%cking Espanol! > > Haha, thank God I'm not white, and lucky for you there's usenet! But I > find it odd you feel threatened as a white person. Ed the Grate just > sounds like someone whose own life passed him by (chuckle) but what's > your excuse? All this business about cultural diversity is total madness. We will end up like the Balkans, everyone wanting to kill everyone else. NYC seems to be pleased that he is not white. What a crock that is considering that whites have ruled the world for the entire 20th century. If and when any of the colored like him ever manage to get into the driver's seat, we will see what a mess they will make of it. So who is NYC? I think he is a black Jew, born in China of a mixed racial couple (probably there as missionaries). He is like one of those Ethiopian blacks who claim to be one of the lost tribes of Israel. However, NYC is now an atheist and he likes to crow about that too. But I guess if I were a black Jew like him, I would not feel like I belonged to anything either. The one thing we can know for sure is that NYC does not know his ass from a hole in the ground > I love latinas, I think they're typically very sexy, but they're very > noisy so it gets quite annoying. But what's your gripe? Who the f*** loves anybody! I hate everybody. I assure you I could hate NYC at the drop of a hat. But why waste any energy on a slob like him. No, he is not worth expending any energy on at all. He will self-destruct soon enough all on his own and it will be good riddance to bad rubbish. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 05 Mar 2006 14:28:41 From: GaryG Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:LLCdnZyxGrVf_JbZRVn-jA@prairiewave.com... > > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1141593303.268154.241820@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > > > Bill Baka wrote: > >> > >> > >> Paul Harvey said this week it is not the blacks we have to worry about. > >> The nation is now 1/5 Mexican and in ten years will be 1/4. Whites are > >> in serious trouble about becoming the minority that can't complain. > >> Bill > >> No Habla F$%cking Espanol! > > > > Haha, thank God I'm not white, and lucky for you there's usenet! But I > > find it odd you feel threatened as a white person. Ed the Grate just > > sounds like someone whose own life passed him by (chuckle) but what's > > your excuse? > > All this business about cultural diversity is total madness. We will end up > like the Balkans, everyone wanting to kill everyone else. > > NYC seems to be pleased that he is not white. What a crock that is > considering that whites have ruled the world for the entire 20th century. If > and when any of the colored like him ever manage to get into the driver's > seat, we will see what a mess they will make of it. > > So who is NYC? I think he is a black Jew, born in China of a mixed racial > couple (probably there as missionaries). He is like one of those Ethiopian > blacks who claim to be one of the lost tribes of Israel. However, NYC is now > an atheist and he likes to crow about that too. But I guess if I were a > black Jew like him, I would not feel like I belonged to anything either. The > one thing we can know for sure is that NYC does not know his ass from a hole > in the ground > > > I love latinas, I think they're typically very sexy, but they're very > > noisy so it gets quite annoying. But what's your gripe? > > Who the f*** loves anybody! I hate everybody. I think you hate yourself worst of all. GG > I assure you I could hate NYC > at the drop of a hat. But why waste any energy on a slob like him. No, he is > not worth expending any energy on at all. He will self-destruct soon enough > all on his own and it will be good riddance to bad rubbish. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >     Date: 27 Feb 2006 05:19:23 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141014894.478675.94550@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >> >> >> I agree that Homo sapiens are creepy. No other species take enjoyment >> in being deliberately cruel. >> >> -- >> Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain > > > > Speaking of which, it's a real puzzle why evolution hasn't selected out > gays. The current theory is that they help protect siblings; they > themselves won't reproduce, but given our social nature they will help > see their siblings' offspring off to a good start, etc. Basically, > they're evolutionary support troops. > > Or maybe gay apes really knew how to groom for lice? The evolutionary process makes all kinds of mistakes Ever hear of mutations? Some few are helpful, but most are harmful. It is society that will make a place for gays, not nature. Nature will see to it that natural selection will eliminate any mistakes that do not promote the survival of the species. Anyone who thinks that homos were put here by nature to protect siblings has got rocks in their heads for brains. By the way, I continue to believe that 95% of homos are nothing but perverts. They have freely chosen their life style for immoral reasons of their own. Nature would never create so many homos. It is strictly a societal construct and the amount of it that is tolerated is an indicator of the moral decay of a society. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 27 Feb 2006 23:05:51 From: GaryG Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:DIydnXqSmqjYfZ_ZRVn-pA@prairiewave.com... > > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1141014894.478675.94550@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > >> > >> > >> I agree that Homo sapiens are creepy. No other species take enjoyment > >> in being deliberately cruel. > >> > >> -- > >> Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain > > > > > > > > Speaking of which, it's a real puzzle why evolution hasn't selected out > > gays. The current theory is that they help protect siblings; they > > themselves won't reproduce, but given our social nature they will help > > see their siblings' offspring off to a good start, etc. Basically, > > they're evolutionary support troops. > > > > Or maybe gay apes really knew how to groom for lice? > > The evolutionary process makes all kinds of mistakes Ever hear of mutations? > Some few are helpful, but most are harmful. It is society that will make a > place for gays, not nature. Nature will see to it that natural selection > will eliminate any mistakes that do not promote the survival of the species. > Anyone who thinks that homos were put here by nature to protect siblings has > got rocks in their heads for brains. Given that the world population of humans just passed the 6.5 billion k, I don't think the "preservation of the species" argument holds water when it comes to the prevalence of homosexuals. In fact, it may be that an increasing incidence of homosexuals may be just what we need to prevent drowning in our own filth through over-procreation. > > By the way, I continue to believe that 95% of homos are nothing but > perverts. They have freely chosen their life style for immoral reasons of > their own. Nature would never create so many homos. It is strictly a > societal construct and the amount of it that is tolerated is an indicator of > the moral decay of a society. Spoken like a troglodytic moron. GG > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > >         Date: 06 Mar 2006 20:05:08 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > ... > Frankly, I think USS is best, though on something like the HP Velo > Spirit or Maxarya Ray 1-X OSS seems to look more logical. However, OSS is in most cases a much better mount for a rear view mirror than USS - the most important reason why I sold the only USS bike I used to own. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain         Date: 05 Mar 2006 18:13:34 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Bill Baka wrote: > > Most of them won't bother to speak English and expect us to speak > Spanish and label everything in both languages. > Fine until the Chinese, Punjabis, Arabs, and everybody else starts > making the same demands. I don't know what the solution is once you've opened up the can of worms. Personally I think there should be an official English-only policy, but at the same time, I do sympathize with the concerns over such a policy, given the history...ultimately, I think on this particular issue folks can afford to be more sanguine than not -- the kids will always speak English, as will the grandkids, etc. My landlord's Italian, and by his own proud proclamation most certainly not American, but though his mother never spoke a word of English, he says, he himself speak it all the time. Matter of fact, I've never ever heard him speak Italian, though I know he speaks it with the other Sicilian who works for him. So this is but a temporary issue, I believe. > And I hate their music. Me too! It's loud and repetitive and just plain mindless. I have the itchy image of jungle ants crawling wildly all over the place when I hear that musicK. Now this crapola noise-for-musicK I don't know when it'll pass. Some things folks almost never give up on -- food, for sure, and maybe...ugh! Maybe this stuff, too.... > That's all. Me, there are many things can't stand about the culture, about the outlook and the way of doing things. It's typically very low-class, yet self-pityingly sentimental. Very in-yo-face and self-righteous, and full of hypocrisy and bathos. It disturbs me to have to deal with that every day, at work, at the gym, on the streets, in the subways, and even when I come home, 'cause they're everywhere. > Bill I don't like identity politics, but I'm afraid that's just something which will always be the case no matter where you go...my friend Balz is Swiss and I'd asked him how did they manage the army...he told me they broke it up according to French, German, Italian, and, what, Romansch? speakers...so even in such a pastoral place you've got such divisions. Frankly, I think USS is best, though on something like the HP Velo Spirit or Maxarya Ray 1-X OSS seems to look more logical.         Date: 05 Mar 2006 16:37:52 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > All this business about cultural diversity is total madness. We will end up > like the Balkans, everyone wanting to kill everyone else. Nah, to me, it's all just like having different kinds of 'bents, and different options to each one! It's great that today I can have Thai food, tomorrow something Mexican, day after that Egyptian cuisine, the next day Italian, then Soul, then Burger King.... > NYC seems to be pleased that he is not white. What a crock that is > considering that whites have ruled the world for the entire 20th century. If > and when any of the colored like him ever manage to get into the driver's > seat, we will see what a mess they will make of it. The Chinese have done well for five thousand years, all things considered, until the last two hundred. That you're imprssed by a mere century (actually, the West has been ascendant for really just about two-to-three hundred) is telling of your short-sightedness, which lack of strategic perspective puts > So who is NYC? I think he is a black Jew, born in China of a mixed racial > couple (probably there as missionaries). He is like one of those Ethiopian > blacks who claim to be one of the lost tribes of Israel. Bwahahahahahahaha! You forgot the Irish part, boyle! > However, NYC is now > an atheist and he likes to crow about that too. But I guess if I were a > black Jew like him, I would not feel like I belonged to anything either. The > one thing we can know for sure is that NYC does not know his ass from a hole > in the ground Actually, they stamped my butt "Made in Taiwan, Assembled in USA!" > Who the f*** loves anybody! I hate everybody. I assure you I could hate NYC > at the drop of a hat. But why waste any energy on a slob like him. No, he is > not worth expending any energy on at all. He will self-destruct soon enough > all on his own and it will be good riddance to bad rubbish. I HEREBY SWEAR THAT WHEN I COME TO GREAT FORTUNE I WILL FIND YOU AND SEND A LUSCIOUS-ASSED BUXOM MAMICITA ON AN HP VELO SMGTE AFTER YOUR BALLS!!!! > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota           Date: 05 Mar 2006 20:35:55 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141605472.780020.12000@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> All this business about cultural diversity is total madness. We will end >> up >> like the Balkans, everyone wanting to kill everyone else. > > Nah, to me, it's all just like having different kinds of 'bents, and > different options to each one! It's great that today I can have Thai > food, tomorrow something Mexican, day after that Egyptian cuisine, the > next day Italian, then Soul, then Burger King.... People in the Balkans were murdering one another because of their differences. There is no such thing as cultural diversity. Either be like me or be dead. That is the message that comes across loud and clear down through history. >> NYC seems to be pleased that he is not white. What a crock that is >> considering that whites have ruled the world for the entire 20th century. >> If >> and when any of the colored like him ever manage to get into the driver's >> seat, we will see what a mess they will make of it. > > The Chinese have done well for five thousand years, all things > considered, until the last two hundred. That you're imprssed by a mere > century (actually, the West has been ascendant for really just about > two-to-three hundred) is telling of your short-sightedness, which lack > of strategic perspective puts [...] The Chinese civilization was vastly overrated, like all the other oriental civilizations. None of them can even began to compare to the West. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 28 Feb 2006 03:09:11 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com > wrote in message news:sDSMf.1906$O25.1222@fe02.lga... > > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:DIydnXqSmqjYfZ_ZRVn-pA@prairiewave.com... [...] >> The evolutionary process makes all kinds of mistakes Ever hear of > mutations? >> Some few are helpful, but most are harmful. It is society that will make >> a >> place for gays, not nature. Nature will see to it that natural selection >> will eliminate any mistakes that do not promote the survival of the > species. >> Anyone who thinks that homos were put here by nature to protect siblings > has >> got rocks in their heads for brains. > > Given that the world population of humans just passed the 6.5 billion > k, > I don't think the "preservation of the species" argument holds water when > it > comes to the prevalence of homosexuals. In fact, it may be that an > increasing incidence of homosexuals may be just what we need to prevent > drowning in our own filth through over-procreation. But that will be a decision that will be made by society, not by evolution. Our evolution is set and it cannot be changed unless we get into the genes and change them by manipulating them biologically. Since we know that men are 95% hetero, do you want to live in a world where many of these men will be encouraged to turn homo to prevent even more births? I think not! >> By the way, I continue to believe that 95% of homos are nothing but >> perverts. They have freely chosen their life style for immoral reasons of >> their own. Nature would never create so many homos. It is strictly a >> societal construct and the amount of it that is tolerated is an indicator > of >> the moral decay of a society. > > Spoken like a troglodytic moron. Spoken like a true brainwashed liberal who does not know anything at all unless it be politically correct. Unfortunately for him, being politically correct has absolutely nothing to do with scientific truth - or most any other kind of truth either for that matter. Gary needs to answer the question of why there are so many homos when we know nature would never create so many. Must be nurture, don't you think? And finally, do you approve or disapprove. If you disapprove, what do you propose to do about it? As you see, the questions just go on and on. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota           Date: 28 Feb 2006 07:01:34 From: GaryG Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:V4GdnQ-RkcbcjpnZRVn-pQ@prairiewave.com... > > "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com> wrote in message > news:sDSMf.1906$O25.1222@fe02.lga... > > > > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > > news:DIydnXqSmqjYfZ_ZRVn-pA@prairiewave.com... > [...] > > >> The evolutionary process makes all kinds of mistakes Ever hear of > > mutations? > >> Some few are helpful, but most are harmful. It is society that will make > >> a > >> place for gays, not nature. Nature will see to it that natural selection > >> will eliminate any mistakes that do not promote the survival of the > > species. > >> Anyone who thinks that homos were put here by nature to protect siblings > > has > >> got rocks in their heads for brains. > > > > Given that the world population of humans just passed the 6.5 billion > > k, > > I don't think the "preservation of the species" argument holds water when > > it > > comes to the prevalence of homosexuals. In fact, it may be that an > > increasing incidence of homosexuals may be just what we need to prevent > > drowning in our own filth through over-procreation. > > But that will be a decision that will be made by society, not by evolution. > Our evolution is set and it cannot be changed unless we get into the genes > and change them by manipulating them biologically. Since we know that men > are 95% hetero, do you want to live in a world where many of these men will > be encouraged to turn homo to prevent even more births? I think not! > > >> By the way, I continue to believe that 95% of homos are nothing but > >> perverts. They have freely chosen their life style for immoral reasons of > >> their own. Nature would never create so many homos. It is strictly a > >> societal construct and the amount of it that is tolerated is an indicator > > of > >> the moral decay of a society. > > > > Spoken like a troglodytic moron. > > Spoken like a true brainwashed liberal who does not know anything at all > unless it be politically correct. Unfortunately for him, being politically > correct has absolutely nothing to do with scientific truth - or most any > other kind of truth either for that matter. > > Gary needs to answer the question of why there are so many homos when we > know nature would never create so many. Other than your own fears and apparent obsessions, what evidence do you have that the frequency of homosexuality is increasing? > Must be nurture, don't you think? I don't know, but I doubt it. Why would someone choose a lifestyle that is not in line with their sexual orientation, and that can get one thrown in jail or killed in many parts of the world? > And finally, do you approve or disapprove. I neither disapprove nor approve. Sexual orientation is not a moral or ethical issue. I've met loving, stable, homosexual couples who I'm proud to call my friends. > If you disapprove, what do you > propose to do about it? As you see, the questions just go on and on. Yes...your obsessions with homosexuality do seem to go on and on. Did I recall you saying that you were childless and unried? GG > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > > >             Date: 06 Mar 2006 20:15:56 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > > However, OSS is in most cases a much better mount for a rear view > mirror than USS - the most important reason why I sold the only USS > bike I used to own. > > -- > Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain Damn it, you're right! Don't I just hate it when you're right? But USS is so much more natural and ergonomic. And it'll still take a rear mirror, of course -- only not as "logically" or "elegantly" as OSS...of course. Oh well, there's always helmet and eyeglass rear-view mirrors...I think one person even mounted one to her boom or something up there! (I say "her" because I seem to recall the photo had a woman on that 'bent.) I'll admit, though -- USS has got me figuring out where to install the AirZound 2 air horn...not to mention the bottle!             Date: 01 Mar 2006 02:26:56 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com > wrote in message news:sBZMf.373$1K4.159@fe07.lga... > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:V4GdnQ-RkcbcjpnZRVn-pQ@prairiewave.com... [...] >> Gary needs to answer the question of why there are so many homos when we >> know nature would never create so many. > > Other than your own fears and apparent obsessions, what evidence do you > have > that the frequency of homosexuality is increasing? Surely you jest! When I was growing up we hardly knew what a homo was and we had no idea what they did. Now everybody knows everything. Something has changed, don't you think? Even NYC seems to know that an anus is for an entrance and not an exit. >> Must be nurture, don't you think? > > I don't know, but I doubt it. Why would someone choose a lifestyle that > is > not in line with their sexual orientation, and that can get one thrown in > jail or killed in many parts of the world? It is all nurture. Our society has become as decadent and corrupt as ever the Roman Empire was. Homos are even being portrayed quite sympathetically in mainstream movies now. Men are imbued with the capacity for infinite evil. Surely you know that much at least. >> And finally, do you approve or disapprove. > > I neither disapprove nor approve. Sexual orientation is not a moral or > ethical issue. I've met loving, stable, homosexual couples who I'm proud > to > call my friends. No, it is a moral issue and no other kind of issue. If you are neutral then you are part of the problem. >> If you disapprove, what do you >> propose to do about it? As you see, the questions just go on and on. > > Yes...your obsessions with homosexuality do seem to go on and on. Did I > recall you saying that you were childless and unried? I am a Great Saint and know all about crapola like this. You are hereby forever excluded from my Order of the Perpetual Sorrows as you are morally deficient and somewhat depraved yourself. Only the pure of heart and body may enter into my Order. By the way, it was NYC who got us off on this tangent, not me. All I was ever discussing was the nature of sex and what it was for. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota               Date: 01 Mar 2006 18:28:20 From: GaryG Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:lYmdnViVY8F9x5jZRVn-pw@prairiewave.com... > > "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com> wrote in message > news:sBZMf.373$1K4.159@fe07.lga... > > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > > news:V4GdnQ-RkcbcjpnZRVn-pQ@prairiewave.com... > [...] > > >> Gary needs to answer the question of why there are so many homos when we > >> know nature would never create so many. > > > > Other than your own fears and apparent obsessions, what evidence do you > > have > > that the frequency of homosexuality is increasing? > > Surely you jest! When I was growing up we hardly knew what a homo was and we > had no idea what they did. Now everybody knows everything. Something has > changed, don't you think? Even NYC seems to know that an anus is for an > entrance and not an exit. The fact that homosexuality is "out of the closet" does not mean that it's any more or less prevalent than it was back in the 50's (or whenever). You seem to think that just because it's now OK to mention it in polite society that there's more of them around, but you've presented no evidence to back that up. It's just as likely that you "hardly knew what a homo was" when you were grown up because you were an ignorant dumbass. > > >> Must be nurture, don't you think? > > > > I don't know, but I doubt it. Why would someone choose a lifestyle that > > is > > not in line with their sexual orientation, and that can get one thrown in > > jail or killed in many parts of the world? > > It is all nurture. Our society has become as decadent and corrupt as ever > the Roman Empire was. Homos are even being portrayed quite sympathetically > in mainstream movies now. Men are imbued with the capacity for infinite > evil. Surely you know that much at least. Many people look around the world and don't see it as "decadent and corrupt"...I think that's more a reflection of your own negative outlook than anything else. Rates for major crimes and teenage pregnancies are substantially lower than they were 20 years ago. We no longer have "Jim Crow" laws, or forced segregation. Women have the right to vote. All these are positive things. Homosexuals have been amongst us forever...they're a part of the natural order. The fact that they are becoming accepted after hundreds of years of irrational fears due to religious bigotry should be celebrated. One does not have to embrace the lifestyle, or even be comfortable with it, to acknowledge that they're just other decent human beings trying to make their way through life as best they can. If you can't see that, it says more about your own fears and prejudices than anything else. As for us being "imbued with the capacity for infinte evil"...it's funny how the vast majority of us manage to get through life without being infinitely, or even infinitesimally, evil. Again, this is merely a reflection of your own fears. > > >> And finally, do you approve or disapprove. > > > > I neither disapprove nor approve. Sexual orientation is not a moral or > > ethical issue. I've met loving, stable, homosexual couples who I'm proud > > to > > call my friends. > > No, it is a moral issue and no other kind of issue. If you are neutral then > you are part of the problem. What's the moral issue involved? Do homosexuals kill more than heteros? Do they steal more? Do they lie more? What is it that makes sexual orientation a "moral issue"? Other than your own fears, and the "ick factor". > > >> If you disapprove, what do you > >> propose to do about it? As you see, the questions just go on and on. > > > > Yes...your obsessions with homosexuality do seem to go on and on. Did I > > recall you saying that you were childless and unried? > > I am a Great Saint and know all about crapola like this. You are a a lonely and pathetic bag of wind. Do you have any close emotional relationships in the real world? Or, is your blustering and namecalling on ARBR all there is? > You are hereby > forever excluded from my Order of the Perpetual Sorrows as you are morally > deficient and somewhat depraved yourself. Only the pure of heart and body > may enter into my Order. I'm quite comfortable with that exclusion...life's too short for "Perpetual Sorrows". GG > > By the way, it was NYC who got us off on this tangent, not me. All I was > ever discussing was the nature of sex and what it was for. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                 Date: 07 Mar 2006 10:19:41 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Hmph. Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure about them, anyway...I'll just have a rear-view mirror on the USS handles, inelegant as they'll look -- though I'm still curious how that woman rigged her 'bent so that the mirror was up by the cranks.... Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > > To quote Jobst Brandt (since I agree with him), "These are not the real > reasons though, because I have found that when looking in a head > mounted mirror, I cannot accurately tell anything about the following > vehicle's position except that it is behind me. That is because I am > looking into a mirror whose angular position with respect to the road > is unknown. The rear view mirror in a car is fixed with respect to the > direction of travel and objects seen in it are seen with reference to > ones own vehicle, be that the rear window frame or side of the car. I > find the image in a head mounted mirror on a bicycle to be distracting > and a source of paranoia if I watch it enough. It does not tell me > whether the upcoming car is, or is not, going to slice me. I > additionally I find it difficult to focus on objects when my eyeballs > are distorted by turning them as much as 45 degrees to the side of > straight ahead. You can try this by reading these words with your head > turned 45 degrees from the text. > > I believe these two effects are the prime reasons for the unpopularity > of such mirrors. They don't provide the function adequately and still > require the rider to look back. I do not doubt that it is possible to > rely on the mirror but it does not disprove my contention that the > information seen is by no means equivalent to motor vehicle rear view > mirrors to which these mirrors have been compared. It is not a valid > comparison." > > OSS mounted mirrors work as well as those on motorcycles and > multi-track motor vehicles. > > -- > Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain                 Date: 06 Mar 2006 21:49:02 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > > > > > However, OSS is in most cases a much better mount for a rear view > > mirror than USS - the most important reason why I sold the only USS > > bike I used to own. > > > Damn it, you're right! > > Don't I just hate it when you're right? Get used to it. > But USS is so much more natural and ergonomic. And it'll still take a > rear mirror, of course -- only not as "logically" or "elegantly" as > OSS...of course. > > Oh well, there's always helmet and eyeglass rear-view mirrors.... To quote Jobst Brandt (since I agree with him), "These are not the real reasons though, because I have found that when looking in a head mounted mirror, I cannot accurately tell anything about the following vehicle's position except that it is behind me. That is because I am looking into a mirror whose angular position with respect to the road is unknown. The rear view mirror in a car is fixed with respect to the direction of travel and objects seen in it are seen with reference to ones own vehicle, be that the rear window frame or side of the car. I find the image in a head mounted mirror on a bicycle to be distracting and a source of paranoia if I watch it enough. It does not tell me whether the upcoming car is, or is not, going to slice me. I additionally I find it difficult to focus on objects when my eyeballs are distorted by turning them as much as 45 degrees to the side of straight ahead. You can try this by reading these words with your head turned 45 degrees from the text. I believe these two effects are the prime reasons for the unpopularity of such mirrors. They don't provide the function adequately and still require the rider to look back. I do not doubt that it is possible to rely on the mirror but it does not disprove my contention that the information seen is by no means equivalent to motor vehicle rear view mirrors to which these mirrors have been compared. It is not a valid comparison." OSS mounted mirrors work as well as those on motorcycles and multi-track motor vehicles. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain           Date: 28 Feb 2006 09:29:46 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com> wrote in message > news:sDSMf.1906$O25.1222@fe02.lga... > >>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message >>news:DIydnXqSmqjYfZ_ZRVn-pA@prairiewave.com... > > [...] > > >>>The evolutionary process makes all kinds of mistakes Ever hear of >> >>mutations? >> >>>Some few are helpful, but most are harmful. It is society that will make >>>a >>>place for gays, not nature. Nature will see to it that natural selection >>>will eliminate any mistakes that do not promote the survival of the >> >>species. >> >>>Anyone who thinks that homos were put here by nature to protect siblings >> >>has >> >>>got rocks in their heads for brains. >> >>Given that the world population of humans just passed the 6.5 billion >>k, >>I don't think the "preservation of the species" argument holds water when >>it >>comes to the prevalence of homosexuals. In fact, it may be that an >>increasing incidence of homosexuals may be just what we need to prevent >>drowning in our own filth through over-procreation. > > > But that will be a decision that will be made by society, not by evolution. > Our evolution is set and it cannot be changed unless we get into the genes > and change them by manipulating them biologically. Since we know that men > are 95% hetero, do you want to live in a world where many of these men will > be encouraged to turn homo to prevent even more births? I think not! Society is inherently incapable of making any sound decision for the good of the entire planet. It will take a backlash by the planet itself to restore the balance, whether it is a super plague, global warming to the point of catastrophe, or triggering another ice age, it will happen, but when is the big question. > > >>>By the way, I continue to believe that 95% of homos are nothing but >>>perverts. They have freely chosen their life style for immoral reasons of >>>their own. Nature would never create so many homos. It is strictly a >>>societal construct and the amount of it that is tolerated is an indicator >> >>of >> >>>the moral decay of a society. >> >>Spoken like a troglodytic moron. > > > Spoken like a true brainwashed liberal who does not know anything at all > unless it be politically correct. Unfortunately for him, being politically > correct has absolutely nothing to do with scientific truth - or most any > other kind of truth either for that matter. > > Gary needs to answer the question of why there are so many homos when we > know nature would never create so many. Must be nurture, don't you think? > And finally, do you approve or disapprove. If you disapprove, what do you > propose to do about it? As you see, the questions just go on and on. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > > > Get off the damned home fixation. They are but a few abberations. Bill             Date: 28 Feb 2006 03:56:08 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Bill Baka" <LARRYS707@SBCGLOBAL.NET > wrote in message news:eKUMf.41125$H71.25730@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com> wrote in message >> news:sDSMf.1906$O25.1222@fe02.lga... [...] >>>Given that the world population of humans just passed the 6.5 billion >>>k, >>>I don't think the "preservation of the species" argument holds water when >>>it >>>comes to the prevalence of homosexuals. In fact, it may be that an >>>increasing incidence of homosexuals may be just what we need to prevent >>>drowning in our own filth through over-procreation. >> >> >> But that will be a decision that will be made by society, not by >> evolution. Our evolution is set and it cannot be changed unless we get >> into the genes and change them by manipulating them biologically. Since >> we know that men are 95% hetero, do you want to live in a world where >> many of these men will be encouraged to turn homo to prevent even more >> births? I think not! > > > Society is inherently incapable of making any sound decision for the good > of the entire planet. It will take a backlash by the planet itself to > restore the balance, whether it is a super plague, global warming to the > point of catastrophe, or triggering another ice age, it will happen, but > when is the big question. The planet is only able to support our vast numbers because of the technology that makes it all possible. If and when that technology ever fails, then the great crash will come as you suggest. [...] > Get off the damned home [homo] fixation. They are but a few aberrations. You and I agree on that, but liberals like Gary and NYC don't. They would create a culture which would permit it if not encourage it because they believe homos are born and not made. I believe just the opposite. My main mission here on ARBR is to take liberals to task on all their idiotic beliefs. Yes, it is nasty business but some one has got to do it. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota               Date: 28 Feb 2006 10:12:01 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > "Bill Baka" <LARRYS707@SBCGLOBAL.NET> wrote in message > news:eKUMf.41125$H71.25730@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com... > >>Edward Dolan wrote: > > >>>"GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com> wrote in message >>>news:sDSMf.1906$O25.1222@fe02.lga... > > [...] > > >>>>Given that the world population of humans just passed the 6.5 billion >>>>k, >>>>I don't think the "preservation of the species" argument holds water when >>>>it >>>>comes to the prevalence of homosexuals. In fact, it may be that an >>>>increasing incidence of homosexuals may be just what we need to prevent >>>>drowning in our own filth through over-procreation. >>> >>> >>>But that will be a decision that will be made by society, not by >>>evolution. Our evolution is set and it cannot be changed unless we get >>>into the genes and change them by manipulating them biologically. Since >>>we know that men are 95% hetero, do you want to live in a world where >>>many of these men will be encouraged to turn homo to prevent even more >>>births? I think not! >> >> >>Society is inherently incapable of making any sound decision for the good >>of the entire planet. It will take a backlash by the planet itself to >>restore the balance, whether it is a super plague, global warming to the >>point of catastrophe, or triggering another ice age, it will happen, but >>when is the big question. > > > The planet is only able to support our vast numbers because of the > technology that makes it all possible. If and when that technology ever > fails, then the great crash will come as you suggest. > [...] It will. do you really think that even 0.001% of those people depending on technology to 'enhance' their lives would ever be able to comprehend what is in those boxes, much less fix one, even if their life depended on it. Even a GPS failing on an unmapped remote hiking trip could be fatal. They probably wouldn't even have a simple magnetic compass. > > >>Get off the damned home [homo] fixation. They are but a few aberrations. > > > You and I agree on that, but liberals like Gary and NYC don't. They would > create a culture which would permit it if not encourage it because they > believe homos are born and not made. I believe just the opposite. My main > mission here on ARBR is to take liberals to task on all their idiotic > beliefs. Yes, it is nasty business but some one has got to do it. I am with you on that too. Homos may be not quite natural, but in some way they are helping with the population problem by not procreating. When we reach 10 billion and the planet is tapped out then people may wise up, a little too late, but.... Bill > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                 Date: 28 Feb 2006 06:23:21 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Bill Baka" <LARRYS707@SBCGLOBAL.NET > wrote in message news:RlVMf.17402$2O6.11580@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] Bill Baka wrote: >>>Society is inherently incapable of making any sound decision for the good >>>of the entire planet. It will take a backlash by the planet itself to >>>restore the balance, whether it is a super plague, global warming to the >>>point of catastrophe, or triggering another ice age, it will happen, but >>>when is the big question. >> >> >> The planet is only able to support our vast numbers because of the >> technology that makes it all possible. If and when that technology ever >> fails, then the great crash will come as you suggest. >> [...] > > It will. do you really think that even 0.001% of those people depending on > technology to 'enhance' their lives would ever be able to comprehend what > is in those boxes, much less fix one, even if their life depended on it. > Even a GPS failing on an unmapped remote hiking trip could be fatal. They > probably wouldn't even have a simple magnetic compass. Yup, we are all at the mercy of our technology. But nonetheless society has made a tremendous investment in the technology which sustains us. We will see the unraveling of societies first in the third world where they do nothing but feed off of us. I do not believe that Western societies can sustain in the long run the degree of complexity that is necessary to keep things going at the present level. We will have to revert to a more primitive life style eventually. The average man is as stupid and as ignorant as a cave man ever was. We are totally depend on an educated elite to keep things going. That is why I respect Mr. Sherman even though he is a dunderheaded liberal. He is a civil engineer and does the kind of work which most of could never do. It is folks like him which make our society possible. I urge him to hang in there for the sake of us all. Bill, I like to contemplate the computer and the Internet. It is all so far beyond me that I do not know where to begin. All of this was invented by geniuses and all we know how to do is turn the damn thing on and click the mouse. I am afraid of my own ignorance. To tell you the truth, the technology of my society completely bamboozles me and intimidates me. I would like to have been a Renaissance Man who would have known everything there was to know. That is clearly impossible now for everyone. We have all become specialists whether we wanted to or not. My father use to take the Encyclopedia Britannica to bed with him every night and read various articles in it. He plowed through the whole damn thing. This was the 1911 onion paper edition which was the scholar's edition. He was trying to know everything there was to know up to that time. Such naiveté is now beyond us all. I despair of ever knowing much at all. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 27 Feb 2006 10:41:25 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? On 26 Feb 2006 20:34:54 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote: > >Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >> >> >> I agree that Homo sapiens are creepy. No other species take enjoyment >> in being deliberately cruel. >> >> -- >> Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain > > > >Speaking of which, it's a real puzzle why evolution hasn't selected out >gays. The current theory is that they help protect siblings; they >themselves won't reproduce, but given our social nature they will help >see their siblings' offspring off to a good start, etc. Basically, >they're evolutionary support troops. > >Or maybe gay apes really knew how to groom for lice? I seem to recall a study where incident of homosexuality in rats increase with overcrowded population. Indiana Mike       Date: 27 Feb 2006 06:30:39 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:3ll502l3d8v1uq7h7gf778e2ocdj5mgalu@4ax.com... [...] > I seem to recall a study where incident of homosexuality in rats > increase with overcrowded population. > > Indiana Mike Mike, there is so much bad science floating around in the world today that I despair of anyone ever knowing anything for sure. Fortunately bad science in the social sciences does not matter so much as long as no public policies are being based on it, but the physical sciences had better get it right or we are all lost. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 26 Feb 2006 20:04:04 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > ... > Homos are creepy.... I agree that Homo sapiens are creepy. No other species take enjoyment in being deliberately cruel. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain   Date: 26 Feb 2006 16:44:33 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > > I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition! > > -- > Tom Sherman Latina mamicitas can ask anything of me, anything. They travel the world on their backs. Seven million years of evolution in an instant. Everything you've ever desired and feared in a female, the good the bad and the ugly, the beautiful and the damned. Just take a bike tour of the Bronx in summertime and tell me if you don't get whip-lash from all the different shapes and colors and sizes and sounds and smells and attitudes. Wow. Pure sex. Are they heavenly...or hot as hell?     Date: 27 Feb 2006 05:40:04 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141001073.590584.74460@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >> >> >> I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition! >> >> -- >> Tom Sherman > > > Latina mamicitas can ask anything of me, anything. They travel the > world on their backs. Seven million years of evolution in an instant. > Everything you've ever desired and feared in a female, the good the bad > and the ugly, the beautiful and the damned. > > Just take a bike tour of the Bronx in summertime and tell me if you > don't get whip-lash from all the different shapes and colors and sizes > and sounds and smells and attitudes. Wow. Pure sex. Are they > heavenly...or hot as hell? Here is the libidinous, lascivious Jew at his worst - or is it his best. Well, this is what happens when a Jew abandons his religion for the secular life. Before you know it, he is just into ass and tits, ass and tits, ass and tits ... All of which leads me to believe that the Jew is totally lost in this world without his religion to anchor him. I am Saint Edward the Great of the Order of the Perpetual Sorrows and I can tell you all will ever have to know to get along in this world of woe. Abandon all pleasure, you who will enter into my Order. I will open the Gates of Hell before you and show you what your pathetic pleasures amount to. Better yet, I will consign you to the eternal flames where your rotten soul may burn forever. Unlike the Spanish Inquisition, I do not want to save your soul. Nay, I want you to lose it since it is not worth anything. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 27 Feb 2006 02:11:36 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > >> >>I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition! >> >>-- >>Tom Sherman > > > > Latina mamicitas can ask anything of me, anything. They travel the > world on their backs. Seven million years of evolution in an instant. > Everything you've ever desired and feared in a female, the good the bad > and the ugly, the beautiful and the damned. > > Just take a bike tour of the Bronx in summertime and tell me if you > don't get whip-lash from all the different shapes and colors and sizes > and sounds and smells and attitudes. Wow. Pure sex. Are they > heavenly...or hot as hell? > I can one up you on that easily. Go to Los Angeles and ride the bike trail along the beaches on a July Saturday or Sunday and all the micro bikinis on all the babes there will make you fall off the bike, repeatedly. Or you can just stop and drool, er watch a female volleyball game. Been there, done that, no comparison. Bill   Date: 26 Feb 2006 16:41:21 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > Well, that is where you have got it most awfully wrong. Sex is never casual > to women. It seems that it is to homos though - which is just another reason > for not liking them. Homos are creepy. The vast majority I know have this errie feline quality to them. The sense you get from a bitch of a boss, only in a male package. Bizarre. But you've got the wrong end of the stick if you think casual sex is emotionally-detached. It can be, but, returning to my coffee analogy, it's something that can be indulged in easily without losing any of its appeal. And in a truly matriarchal society, sex is always casual. Of course emotions are involved -- we're talking sex, here -- but it's casual in the sense that there isn't all this baggage about societal norms and so forth and so on. Basically, like how kissing is regarded these days. I mean, a hundred and fifty years ago girls didn't even go on dates without a chaperone! In five hundred years' time, I bet you the sexual controversy of the day will be whether it's all right to mate with a tian or something like that. > More crimes have been committed over sex than almost anything else (except > money of course). So? > It is like playing with dynamite. Nothing Freudian intended, surely. > Anyone who thinks it is > like having a cup of coffee is severely impaired mentally and emotionally - > and will end up in an asylum for lunatics sooner or later. Anyone who thinks being severely impaired mentally and emotionally should read the papers some time. The most successful stock brokers were overwhelmingly found to be incurable liars, emotionally detached, and borderline insane (as in mistake their inner reality for the world outside). > I believe I will > have to refer you to the Spanish Inquisition after all. They will straighten > you out. I did tell you I love them bubble-butt latina mamis with the cum-one-cum-all culture, didn't I? Many of them have big boobs, too. !Dios mio! > Nope, think about it for a moment. In a state of nature, those are the only > two things that matter. One has to do with the survival of the individual > and the other has to do with the survival of the species. It is only > civilization that makes it possible for us to have other things on our > minds. Exactly -- being that we're no longer in a state of nature, your point is moot. I mean, you can only have sex but so often in a day, anyway...you'll want to ride a 'bent sooner or later, much as these cute fat-assed latinita has got full-suspension with fat tits...ai jai jaieee! > I am assuming you are a secular Jew, one who has fallen away from your > religion. You make a lot of assumptions! For someone who's a fan of co Polo, I'm surprised you don't know where Kaifeng, Henan Province is. > New York City seems to be full of these types. That's why it's called Jew York City! More here than in Israel! Actually, more pervo ricons, too, than in pervo rico. > If that is true, > you will never hear the end of it from me. A Jew who has abandoned his > religion is anathema to me. Of course, fallen away Catholics are legion and > nothing to get excited about. But religion defines the Jew. Not to stand by > your religion ks you as a traitor to your people and an object of scorn > to the rest of us. There are some fascinating photographs in "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers." It's a great ready, winner of some military book award, which source materials have been bought by the Bundeswehr Archiv. The author, a former USMC officer from Texas, only found out his own Jewish roots while researching his book! > What is this pleasure you speak of? Pleasure is pleasure, and indivisible though its sources are myriad. "For the good are always the merry...and the merry love the fiddle, and the merry love to dance." > I have never figured out why worship of the Sun is not the universal > religion of all mankind. But it is. Only now folks are that much more removed from the earth, so it's all papered over -- Plato's necessary conceits of civilization. We no longer do actual sacrifice, but its forms -- the symbolism thereof -- remain. Etc. > After all, life would not be possible without the > light and the heat from the Sun. Tsk, tsk...you need to watch some more National Geographic shows! > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 05 Mar 2006 06:37:27 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Jeff Grippe wrote: > > > I think it is a good idea to separate values from political parties. There > is so much "us vs them" going on in politics these days that it becomes > difficult to determine what is someone standing for something and what is > someone simply trying to win the game. The game has such valuable prizes > that winning has become a goal in its own right. It's always like this. Being with a girl, I myself feel "pressured" to just "get her" even though I already know that she's not "The One"...anything you invest time and effort in has a tendency to "take over"...even jogging, weight-lifting...somehow it becomes a numbers game in short order...but this is called ambition and widely praised in our society.... > The more of us that refuse to associate with either party and continue to > demand answers to issues that are more than "I'm not those guys on the other > side", the better. Actually, many like to speak of themselves as "independent"...I don't know whatever happened to this potent political force.... > Bill knew how to play the game so that he could keep both sides happy and > still get things done. Very few others have been able to walk that line. Hitler said it best: the public is like a woman...frankly, I think the best politicos are the "playaz"...they don't have that sense of ego which makes them ideologues...me, a girly annoys me and I lose interest...other guys, they just go for the kill and then leave her...I think it's the same cognitive process going on in me vis-a-vis females that most politicos seem to have vis-a-vis their politics -- they think it's an expression of themselves, as opposed to doing whatever it takes to get whatever you want...pros and cons, as usual, of course.... > I > don't see anyone on the horizon that can do it. Maybe a very liberal > republican like Rudy would be an interesting choice. I didn't like him as > mayor (although almost everyone else around me did) but he could be > interesting to see at the national level. We'll see. I loved the fact that he refused to deal with al sharpton and the black racists. Of course, he was pandering to his own "white ethnic" constituencies...but being that NYC is more than half black and hispanic, it was something that needed doing...I was just talking to someone the other week who never heard of Tawana Brawley...I don't know why ed crotch rehabilitated this jerk.... > Jeff       Date: 05 Mar 2006 18:01:38 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: <Major snip > > > I loved the fact that he refused to deal with al sharpton and the black > racists. Of course, he was pandering to his own "white ethnic" > constituencies...but being that NYC is more than half black and > hispanic, it was something that needed doing...I was just talking to > someone the other week who never heard of Tawana Brawley...I don't know > why ed crotch rehabilitated this jerk.... > > >>Jeff > > Paul Harvey said this week it is not the blacks we have to worry about. The nation is now 1/5 Mexican and in ten years will be 1/4. Whites are in serious trouble about becoming the minority that can't complain. Bill No Habla F$%cking Espanol!         Date: 05 Mar 2006 12:32:53 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Bill Baka" <LARRYS707@SBCGLOBAL.NET > wrote in message news:6IFOf.27190$_S7.14818@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com... > NYC XYZ wrote: > <Major snip> >> >> I loved the fact that he refused to deal with al sharpton and the black >> racists. Of course, he was pandering to his own "white ethnic" >> constituencies...but being that NYC is more than half black and >> hispanic, it was something that needed doing...I was just talking to >> someone the other week who never heard of Tawana Brawley...I don't know >> why ed crotch rehabilitated this jerk.... >> >> >>>Jeff >> >> > > Paul Harvey said this week it is not the blacks we have to worry about. > The nation is now 1/5 Mexican and in ten years will be 1/4. Whites are in > serious trouble about becoming the minority that can't complain. > Bill > No Habla F$%cking Espanol! Bill, what has happened here in my rather small town located in SW Minnesota is amazing. The entire town has changed radically in just the past decade. The Mexicans and Asians have come pouring in here to work in the meat packing plant, but they have also now spread out and are taking over the town. When I was growing up here I do not recall ever seeing a single minority member, not even any Indians. I believe the whites will soon be in the minority here - and it is happening all over the US. We are committing suicide. I assure you that an America where the majority of its residents are Mexican will not be any kind of America that you and I will like. I am not only death on illegal immigration, I am against ALL immigration period! It is the main reason I can no longer support Bush and many of the Repubs. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 27 Feb 2006 05:03:31 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141000881.279079.99360@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> Well, that is where you have got it most awfully wrong. Sex is never >> casual >> to women. It seems that it is to homos though - which is just another >> reason >> for not liking them. > > Homos are creepy. The vast majority I know have this errie feline > quality to them. The sense you get from a bitch of a boss, only in a > male package. Bizarre. > > But you've got the wrong end of the stick if you think casual sex is > emotionally-detached. It can be, but, returning to my coffee analogy, > it's something that can be indulged in easily without losing any of its > appeal. > > And in a truly matriarchal society, sex is always casual. Of course > emotions are involved -- we're talking sex, here -- but it's casual in > the sense that there isn't all this baggage about societal norms and so > forth and so on. Basically, like how kissing is regarded these days. > I mean, a hundred and fifty years ago girls didn't even go on dates > without a chaperone! In five hundred years' time, I bet you the sexual > controversy of the day will be whether it's all right to mate with a > tian or something like that. An awful lot of really bad anthropology was done early in the last century. All that free and easy sex of the South Sea Islands was not what it first appeared to be. garet Mead, for instance, got almost everything wrong. In addition, there are very few matriarchal societies. Men will always rule the roost, no matter how lineage is defined. >> More crimes have been committed over sex than almost anything else >> (except >> money of course). > > So? So ... just another reason not to take it as a casual thing, unless you don't mind being murdered for a little sex. >> It is like playing with dynamite. > > Nothing Freudian intended, surely. > >> Anyone who thinks it is >> like having a cup of coffee is severely impaired mentally and >> emotionally - >> and will end up in an asylum for lunatics sooner or later. > > Anyone who thinks being severely impaired mentally and emotionally > should read the papers some time. The most successful stock brokers > were overwhelmingly found to be incurable liars, emotionally detached, > and borderline insane (as in mistake their inner reality for the world > outside). You are now doing what you accuse Peter Clinch of doing, going away from the topic under discussion with a straw man. You cannot compare sex to having a cup of coffee without being absurd. [...] >> Nope, think about it for a moment. In a state of nature, those are the >> only >> two things that matter. One has to do with the survival of the individual >> and the other has to do with the survival of the species. It is only >> civilization that makes it possible for us to have other things on our >> minds. > > Exactly -- being that we're no longer in a state of nature, your point > is moot. We are never far removed from Nature. Civilization is a very thin veneer which just barely covers our nakedness. Like I said, eating and sex are any creature's two main activities. Not moot at all! [...] >> I am assuming you are a secular Jew, one who has fallen away from your >> religion. > > You make a lot of assumptions! For someone who's a fan of co Polo, > I'm surprised you don't know where Kaifeng, Henan Province is. So you are a Jew who was born in China. So what does your place of birth have to do with anything? [...] >> If that is true, >> you will never hear the end of it from me. A Jew who has abandoned his >> religion is anathema to me. Of course, fallen away Catholics are legion >> and >> nothing to get excited about. But religion defines the Jew. Not to stand >> by >> your religion ks you as a traitor to your people and an object of >> scorn >> to the rest of us. > > There are some fascinating photographs in "Hitler's Jewish Soldiers." > It's a great ready, winner of some military book award, which source > materials have been bought by the Bundeswehr Archiv. The author, a > former USMC officer from Texas, only found out his own Jewish roots > while researching his book! You are even a greater fool than I suspected. A Jew who does not know his roots and acknowledge them is an abomination. Instead of flouncing around NY, you should go to Israel and do something worthwhile for your people and your nation (Israel). [...] >> After all, life would not be possible without the >> light and the heat from the Sun. > > Tsk, tsk...you need to watch some more National Geographic shows! No sun, no life. It doesn't get much simpler than that. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 26 Feb 2006 08:30:29 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > ...I believe I will have to refer you to the Spanish Inquisition after all. They will > straighten you out.... [JARRING CHORD] Cardinal Ximinez : NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise! ...Surprise and fear...fear and surprise.... Our two weapons are fear and surprise...and ruthless efficiency.... Our three weapons are fear, and surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.... Our four...no... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tom Sherman   Date: 26 Feb 2006 01:17:28 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan the Grate wrote: > ... > I hope I will not have not have to refer you to the Spanish Inquisition in > order to save your immortal soul.... I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition! -- Tom Sherman     Date: 09 Mar 2006 06:24:44 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Lucky for you there's usenet. Otherwise the incest of your own thoughts confirming one another is the only mental stimulation you'd ever get. Edward Dolan wrote: > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1141831339.100252.121730@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > > > Cretin, what do you suppose XYZ stands for? > > It is the end of the alphabet just like you are the end of humanity. > > XXX is often used to indicate pornography, which is what you seem to be into > based on your posts to this newsgroup. I suggest you ride your bike more and > think about porn less. You will live longer and healthier that way. > > > And Catholics have been raunchy ever since they took over pagan orgies > > like Saturnalis and turned it into X-Mas. Why do you think that > > Catholic school girl-look with the plaid mini-skirt has been adopted by > > ghetto lolitasses in inner-city public schools? > > "The only raunchy bastard here is NYC." - Ed Dolan > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1141755887.694660.156910@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > >> > >> All top posters are idiots! > >> > >> > >> The only raunchy bastard here is NYC. Instead of NYC XYZ, he ought to > >> label > >> himself NYC XXX. That would be more honest and give the rest of us fair > >> warning. > >> > >> But why is NYC blathering about St. Theresa and Catholics and Opus Dei. > >> Surely there is a whole universe of porn terms he could use when > >> referring > >> to himself.       Date: 09 Mar 2006 11:42:38 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141914284.343114.236240@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > Lucky for you there's usenet. Otherwise the incest of your own > thoughts confirming one another is the only mental stimulation you'd > ever get. "The only raunchy bastard here is NYC." - Ed Dolan Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 28 Feb 2006 18:05:25 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? I wonder who introduced him to recumbents? Now I know what rush limbaugh looks like on an LWB. Mike Rice wrote: > > Oh no, Ed's hooked a live one. > > I hope that readers (assuming anyone is interested enough to follow > this fiasco) realize that Mr. Ed assuredly does not speak for the > group (ARBR) except in his own mind. > > His abrasive character, so lovingly displayed in this thread and > others, is the priy reason for the near death of our group over the > past few years. > > Ed are you hitting the ol' vino again? Or just delighting in the parry > & thrust? > > Indiana Mike   Date: 25 Feb 2006 21:38:39 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > Maybe not so moot if you can even entertain the idea, however briefly. I > certainly do agree with you about love being the triumph of imagination over > intellect. Hell, I couldn't have said that better myself. Neither could I. Oscar Wilde went on to add that second riage is the triumph of hope over experience. > I am telling you that Kipling would not have written that, nor the 'ass of > empire' bit. Other than that, it could almost have been written by Kipliing. Oh, I don't know. Wasn't Kipling rather proud of the cockney tommy of low repute who built the Raj? I think in one of his poems he used the word "blooming." > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 26 Feb 2006 03:34:59 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1140932319.082263.317590@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> Maybe not so moot if you can even entertain the idea, however briefly. I >> certainly do agree with you about love being the triumph of imagination >> over >> intellect. Hell, I couldn't have said that better myself. > > Neither could I. Oscar Wilde went on to add that second riage is > the triumph of hope over experience. Yes, I knew it was too good to not come from someone like Wilde. I consider Oscar Wilde one of the greatest wits who ever lived. And it is why I never attempt wit myself. After all, a man has got to know his limitations. >> I am telling you that Kipling would not have written that, nor the 'ass >> of >> empire' bit. Other than that, it could almost have been written by >> Kipliing. > > Oh, I don't know. Wasn't Kipling rather proud of the cockney tommy of > low repute who built the Raj? I think in one of his poems he used the > word "blooming." I used to enjoy reading Kipling when I was a kid, but he has fallen out of favor. The empire that the English built was perhaps the most benign empire ever in the entire history of man on this earth. We Americans will never be able to accomplish anything so magnificent. We lack the will to rule and have no staying power at all. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 25 Feb 2006 21:33:18 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > NYC, I worry about your immortal soul. Please don't bother. I don't have one. I look forward to rejoining the great cosmic background radiation soon. > It is never ONLY sex. Well, I didn't mean "just" in the sense of "solely," but in the sense of "no big deal," like the custoy cup of coffee each morning, something everyone should have regularly if they like. > Next to how an > animal feeds is how it reproduces (sex). These are the two most important > things that any animal ever does on this earth. I'm not even going to untangle the warren of assumptions in that one. > I hope I will not have not have to refer you to the Spanish Inquisition in > order to save your immortal soul. Recumbents suck!!! You're all idiots!!!! Hummers rule, baby!!!!! > Forget about ethnic exotics. You are doomed to wed a good skinny Jewish girl > who will make you very happy. Oh, well, I could settle for extreme happiness, yes. > All the brown and black chubbies in the world > will not excuse you from your duties as a Jew in this world of woe. ROTFLMFAO!!!! Are you the ARBR Rabbi??? Though, interestingly, my father's from a small village, known for its lychees, where half of the folks are our relatives, outside the former Imperial Capital of Kaifeng, in modern Henan Province, which had many synagogues in its haydays, and he's circumcised -- ouch! > Always > follow your duty and forget about pleasure. Pleasure is fleeting while duty > goes on forever. I do agree that while pain is temporary, pride is forever -- but pleasure complements logic, informs logic, much as the man, being head of the house, is turned by his wife, the neck of the house. > Thus spake Zarathustra. Heil dir Sonne, heil dir Wind! > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 26 Feb 2006 04:00:45 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1140931998.507059.37240@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> NYC, I worry about your immortal soul. > > Please don't bother. I don't have one. I look forward to rejoining > the great cosmic background radiation soon. > >> It is never ONLY sex. > > Well, I didn't mean "just" in the sense of "solely," but in the sense > of "no big deal," like the custoy cup of coffee each morning, > something everyone should have regularly if they like. Well, that is where you have got it most awfully wrong. Sex is never casual to women. It seems that it is to homos though - which is just another reason for not liking them. More crimes have been committed over sex than almost anything else (except money of course). It is like playing with dynamite. Anyone who thinks it is like having a cup of coffee is severely impaired mentally and emotionally - and will end up in an asylum for lunatics sooner or later. I believe I will have to refer you to the Spanish Inquisition after all. They will straighten you out. >> Next to how an >> animal feeds is how it reproduces (sex). These are the two most important >> things that any animal ever does on this earth. > > I'm not even going to untangle the warren of assumptions in that one. Nope, think about it for a moment. In a state of nature, those are the only two things that matter. One has to do with the survival of the individual and the other has to do with the survival of the species. It is only civilization that makes it possible for us to have other things on our minds. >> I hope I will not have not have to refer you to the Spanish Inquisition >> in >> order to save your immortal soul. > > Recumbents suck!!! You're all idiots!!!! Hummers rule, baby!!!!! > >> Forget about ethnic exotics. You are doomed to wed a good skinny Jewish >> girl >> who will make you very happy. > > Oh, well, I could settle for extreme happiness, yes. > >> All the brown and black chubbies in the world >> will not excuse you from your duties as a Jew in this world of woe. > > ROTFLMFAO!!!! Are you the ARBR Rabbi??? Though, interestingly, my > father's from a small village, known for its lychees, where half of the > folks are our relatives, outside the former Imperial Capital of > Kaifeng, in modern Henan Province, which had many synagogues in its > haydays, and he's circumcised -- ouch! I am assuming you are a secular Jew, one who has fallen away from your religion. New York City seems to be full of these types. If that is true, you will never hear the end of it from me. A Jew who has abandoned his religion is anathema to me. Of course, fallen away Catholics are legion and nothing to get excited about. But religion defines the Jew. Not to stand by your religion ks you as a traitor to your people and an object of scorn to the rest of us. >> Always >> follow your duty and forget about pleasure. Pleasure is fleeting while >> duty >> goes on forever. > > I do agree that while pain is temporary, pride is forever -- but > pleasure complements logic, informs logic, much as the man, being head > of the house, is turned by his wife, the neck of the house. What is this pleasure you speak of? >> Thus spake Zarathustra. > > Heil dir Sonne, heil dir Wind! I have never figured out why worship of the Sun is not the universal religion of all mankind. After all, life would not be possible without the light and the heat from the Sun. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 26 Feb 2006 08:17:17 From: GaryG Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:iZidnTMBmLLI4ZzZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@prairiewave.com... > > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1140931998.507059.37240@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> > >> > >> NYC, I worry about your immortal soul. > > > > Please don't bother. I don't have one. I look forward to rejoining > > the great cosmic background radiation soon. > > > >> It is never ONLY sex. > > > > Well, I didn't mean "just" in the sense of "solely," but in the sense > > of "no big deal," like the custoy cup of coffee each morning, > > something everyone should have regularly if they like. > > Well, that is where you have got it most awfully wrong. Sex is never casual > to women. It seems that it is to homos though - which is just another reason > for not liking them. > > More crimes have been committed over sex than almost anything else (except > money of course). It is like playing with dynamite. Anyone who thinks it is > like having a cup of coffee is severely impaired mentally and emotionally - > and will end up in an asylum for lunatics sooner or later. I believe I will > have to refer you to the Spanish Inquisition after all. They will straighten > you out. > > >> Next to how an > >> animal feeds is how it reproduces (sex). These are the two most important > >> things that any animal ever does on this earth. > > > > I'm not even going to untangle the warren of assumptions in that one. > > Nope, think about it for a moment. In a state of nature, those are the only > two things that matter. One has to do with the survival of the individual > and the other has to do with the survival of the species. It is only > civilization that makes it possible for us to have other things on our > minds. > > >> I hope I will not have not have to refer you to the Spanish Inquisition > >> in > >> order to save your immortal soul. > > > > Recumbents suck!!! You're all idiots!!!! Hummers rule, baby!!!!! > > > >> Forget about ethnic exotics. You are doomed to wed a good skinny Jewish > >> girl > >> who will make you very happy. > > > > Oh, well, I could settle for extreme happiness, yes. > > > >> All the brown and black chubbies in the world > >> will not excuse you from your duties as a Jew in this world of woe. > > > > ROTFLMFAO!!!! Are you the ARBR Rabbi??? Though, interestingly, my > > father's from a small village, known for its lychees, where half of the > > folks are our relatives, outside the former Imperial Capital of > > Kaifeng, in modern Henan Province, which had many synagogues in its > > haydays, and he's circumcised -- ouch! > > I am assuming you are a secular Jew, one who has fallen away from your > religion. New York City seems to be full of these types. If that is true, > you will never hear the end of it from me. A Jew who has abandoned his > religion is anathema to me. Of course, fallen away Catholics are legion and > nothing to get excited about. But religion defines the Jew. Not to stand by > your religion ks you as a traitor to your people and an object of scorn > to the rest of us. It also ks one as rational and thoughful. Check out this site for a well-written alternative to the dogmatic "faith before reason" point of view: http://whydoesgodhateamputees.com/ > > >> Always > >> follow your duty and forget about pleasure. Pleasure is fleeting while > >> duty > >> goes on forever. > > > > I do agree that while pain is temporary, pride is forever -- but > > pleasure complements logic, informs logic, much as the man, being head > > of the house, is turned by his wife, the neck of the house. > > What is this pleasure you speak of? > > >> Thus spake Zarathustra. > > > > Heil dir Sonne, heil dir Wind! > > I have never figured out why worship of the Sun is not the universal > religion of all mankind. After all, life would not be possible without the > light and the heat from the Sun. The Sun was one of many "gods" that mankind has invented and worshipped over the centuries. Perhaps it fell out of favor when warring tribes needed to invoke a god who would be useful in smiting their enemies and committing acts of genocide upon them. The sun warms all equally, so it's not terribly useful as an agent of conquest. GG > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >         Date: 27 Feb 2006 04:29:27 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com > wrote in message news:mwkMf.191$QY6.59@fe03.lga... > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:iZidnTMBmLLI4ZzZnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@prairiewave.com... [...] >> I am assuming you are a secular Jew, one who has fallen away from your >> religion. New York City seems to be full of these types. If that is true, >> you will never hear the end of it from me. A Jew who has abandoned his >> religion is anathema to me. Of course, fallen away Catholics are legion > and >> nothing to get excited about. But religion defines the Jew. Not to stand > by >> your religion ks you as a traitor to your people and an object of >> scorn >> to the rest of us. > > It also ks one as rational and thoughful. Check out this site for a > well-written alternative to the dogmatic "faith before reason" point of > view: > > http://whydoesgodhateamputees.com/ [...] Gary, I am too lazy to ever go to a link and read anything that I haven't written myself. However, being rational and thoughtful has nothing to do with sticking by your religion and your tradition. For the Jew, that is one and the same thing. The Jew abandons his religion at his peril. It is the one thing that has ensured his survival down through the millennia. Why is the Jew still with us and not the Philistine? The answer is a religion based on a Book. The Word is very powerful indeed, especially when it is written down. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 24 Feb 2006 23:55:40 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > Nope! You are thinking romantically, not realistically. If you had a > prostitute for a wife, I guarantee you that you would end up murdering her - > or maybe her you. That is the way it goes, except in Hollywood movies and > Broadway stage plays of course. Hell, love is the triumph of imagination over intellect, anyway. But I don't expect to wind up with a whore, truth be told -- I don't know where I'd meet one! All I was saying is that I wouldn't mind that fact itself. But it's a moot point in any case. > Sounds like something that Kipling might have written, minus the 'ass of > empire' reference of course. Not sure about that 'middle finger of infantry' > either. Not sure what you don't get about a middle finger...?! > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 25 Feb 2006 03:01:48 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1140854140.507703.206670@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> Nope! You are thinking romantically, not realistically. If you had a >> prostitute for a wife, I guarantee you that you would end up murdering >> her - >> or maybe her you. That is the way it goes, except in Hollywood movies and >> Broadway stage plays of course. > > Hell, love is the triumph of imagination over intellect, anyway. But I > don't expect to wind up with a whore, truth be told -- I don't know > where I'd meet one! All I was saying is that I wouldn't mind that fact > itself. But it's a moot point in any case. Maybe not so moot if you can even entertain the idea, however briefly. I certainly do agree with you about love being the triumph of imagination over intellect. Hell, I couldn't have said that better myself. >> Sounds like something that Kipling might have written, minus the 'ass of >> empire' reference of course. Not sure about that 'middle finger of >> infantry' >> either. > > Not sure what you don't get about a middle finger...?! I am telling you that Kipling would not have written that, nor the 'ass of empire' bit. Other than that, it could almost have been written by Kipliing. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 24 Feb 2006 22:05:25 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > Well, yes and no! First of all, you will never in his world find a whore > with a heart of gold. They only exist in Hollywood movies and on the > Broadway stage. The fact is, every man would like to ry a whore provided > she only be a whore with him. But they never are. That is the problem and it > leads to nothing but murder and mayhem. Um, I don't mind a prostitute for a wife. I really don't. Fuck it, I say. It's only sex! > I recommend that NYC get himself down to his local synagogue and pick some > nice Jewish girl there. After all, life is long and our fancies are short. White girls are still too skinny for me. I love me them bubble-butt latinas, but unfortunately ghetto people tend to be "dummer than a Hummer" though sly and cunning, so it's typically the worst of both worlds with them. > Old Navy joke: What is the difference between a slut and a bitch? A slut > will have sex with anyone and a bitch will have sex with anyone except me! Old Army truism: What's the difference between a dog and a fox? About ten pints. > Also, not all men are made for work. However, most men would be well advised > to devote their lives to it as it will keep them out of mischief. Only Great > Ones like Myself can ever rise above the necessity for work. Mr. Sherman for > instance is pure drudgery whereas Mr. Dolan is pure Essence of Being. Mr. > Sherman is bogged down in material things whereas Mr. Dolan is bogged down > in immaterial things. I sometimes question who has the more difficult life. I'd guess your readership, when Your Grateness takes to hiccups and nodding. > Women are very good for men, but I question how good men are for women. Even > when women are being "hard" they are not murderers. Murder lurks just under > the surface of all men. We men are killer apes at heart. Yes, I'm afraid all the peace-makers have long since been bred out by evolution. > I should have been a pair of ragged claws > Scuttling across the floors of silent seas. > > T.S. Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock Before us lies the nation, a map of cheering throngs, and maidens with carnations in hand to cheer us on. In us stirs the nation's sneer, in us ches this nation grave; through the terror of the years the years find us unafraid. Behind us follows our nation as we must to mourning glory in settlements to add in elation to our imperial inventory. Duty is our bugle's call, our regiment is our country -- performance art on canvas sprawled, thespian hall of Infantry. Boys of prey in gall increased bind voice to step in one espirit. Vultures crawl from fast to feast in the storm-fog wake of Infantry. One look for fear to inspire, a ch of supermen are we, wiping the ass of empire, middle finger of Infantry. Me, "The Left Hand of Empire" > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 08 Mar 2006 07:22:19 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Cretin, what do you suppose XYZ stands for? And Catholics have been raunchy ever since they took over pagan orgies like Saturnalis and turned it into X-Mas. Why do you think that Catholic school girl-look with the plaid mini-skirt has been adopted by ghetto lolitasses in inner-city public schools? Edward Dolan wrote: > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1141755887.694660.156910@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > All top posters are idiots! > > > The only raunchy bastard here is NYC. Instead of NYC XYZ, he ought to label > himself NYC XXX. That would be more honest and give the rest of us fair > warning. > > But why is NYC blathering about St. Theresa and Catholics and Opus Dei. > Surely there is a whole universe of porn terms he could use when referring > to himself. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 08 Mar 2006 18:53:51 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141831339.100252.121730@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > Cretin, what do you suppose XYZ stands for? It is the end of the alphabet just like you are the end of humanity. XXX is often used to indicate pornography, which is what you seem to be into based on your posts to this newsgroup. I suggest you ride your bike more and think about porn less. You will live longer and healthier that way. > And Catholics have been raunchy ever since they took over pagan orgies > like Saturnalis and turned it into X-Mas. Why do you think that > Catholic school girl-look with the plaid mini-skirt has been adopted by > ghetto lolitasses in inner-city public schools? "The only raunchy bastard here is NYC." - Ed Dolan Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1141755887.694660.156910@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >> >> All top posters are idiots! >> >> >> The only raunchy bastard here is NYC. Instead of NYC XYZ, he ought to >> label >> himself NYC XXX. That would be more honest and give the rest of us fair >> warning. >> >> But why is NYC blathering about St. Theresa and Catholics and Opus Dei. >> Surely there is a whole universe of porn terms he could use when >> referring >> to himself.     Date: 06 Mar 2006 20:39:44 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? oldslowbenter wrote: > > > In the good old days, a lot of barbers were Italian, from the old country. > The room in the back was a where the bookmakers took bets. Know what? That makes perfect sense!! 'Cause Little Italy's been reduced to about three or four blocks -- almost half the customers in an Italian restaurant there are Chinese! -- so yeah, it could be that these same barber shops with their "surgeons' bandages" out front and the massage parlor out back had bookies' offices in the past! Thanks for the missing link, old rider!     Date: 06 Mar 2006 20:35:46 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Little Meow wrote: > > Yeah. > There are some places that I don't know exactly where and I don't > really know exactly what goes on, but when I mention them to my > friends, or they mention them to me, a big grin breaks out on all > our faces. Alcohol has been the inspiration for many an overactive imagination. > Gotcha! > (Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more.) Are you female? 'Cause I don't mind it if a woman winks at me and nudges...otherwise, it's Ed Dolan for you, buster! > What's the tip for a... how should I put this *looks at paragraph > above*... an "old style" "barber shop" "back-end" in NY. Actually, in Chinese, the expression for copping a feel is "eating her tofu"...a kid brother you have to take along to the movies with your date is a "light bulb"...it's a very poetic and humorous language...I think a quarter of the trolls on usenet are probably Chinese! =)     Date: 25 Feb 2006 06:20:11 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1140847525.715827.101160@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> Well, yes and no! First of all, you will never in his world find a whore >> with a heart of gold. They only exist in Hollywood movies and on the >> Broadway stage. The fact is, every man would like to ry a whore >> provided >> she only be a whore with him. But they never are. That is the problem and >> it >> leads to nothing but murder and mayhem. > > Um, I don't mind a prostitute for a wife. I really don't. Fuck it, I > say. It's only sex! NYC, I worry about your immortal soul. It is never ONLY sex. Next to how an animal feeds is how it reproduces (sex). These are the two most important things that any animal ever does on this earth. I hope I will not have not have to refer you to the Spanish Inquisition in order to save your immortal soul. >> I recommend that NYC get himself down to his local synagogue and pick >> some >> nice Jewish girl there. After all, life is long and our fancies are >> short. > > White girls are still too skinny for me. I love me them bubble-butt > latinas, but unfortunately ghetto people tend to be "dummer than a > Hummer" though sly and cunning, so it's typically the worst of both > worlds with them. Forget about ethnic exotics. You are doomed to wed a good skinny Jewish girl who will make you very happy. All the brown and black chubbies in the world will not excuse you from your duties as a Jew in this world of woe. Always follow your duty and forget about pleasure. Pleasure is fleeting while duty goes on forever. Thus spake Zarathustra. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 25 Feb 2006 00:42:51 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1140847525.715827.101160@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> Well, yes and no! First of all, you will never in his world find a whore >> with a heart of gold. They only exist in Hollywood movies and on the >> Broadway stage. The fact is, every man would like to ry a whore >> provided >> she only be a whore with him. But they never are. That is the problem and >> it >> leads to nothing but murder and mayhem. > > Um, I don't mind a prostitute for a wife. I really don't. Fuck it, I > say. It's only sex! Nope! You are thinking romantically, not realistically. If you had a prostitute for a wife, I guarantee you that you would end up murdering her - or maybe her you. That is the way it goes, except in Hollywood movies and Broadway stage plays of course. [...] > Before us lies the nation, > a map of cheering throngs, > and maidens with carnations > in hand to cheer us on. > > In us stirs the nation's sneer, > in us ches this nation grave; > through the terror of the years > the years find us unafraid. > > Behind us follows our nation > as we must to mourning glory > in settlements to add in elation > to our imperial inventory. > > Duty is our bugle's call, > our regiment is our country -- > performance art on canvas sprawled, > thespian hall of Infantry. > > Boys of prey in gall increased > bind voice to step in one espirit. > Vultures crawl from fast to feast > in the storm-fog wake of Infantry. > > One look for fear to inspire, > a ch of supermen are we, > wiping the ass of empire, > middle finger of Infantry. > > Me, "The Left Hand of Empire" Sounds like something that Kipling might have written, minus the 'ass of empire' reference of course. Not sure about that 'middle finger of infantry' either. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 24 Feb 2006 08:28:20 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > The women are being dragged along by their husbands. They would rather be > home cooking and housecleaning and going to church like all good women > should. If I were a woman, I would know how to treat my husband and he would > be in the business of pleasing me, not me him. Nah, give me a whore any time, a whore with a heart of gold and organs of fire. A woman was made for sex; a man was made for work. > You will normally see more women on organized group week long tours because > they will be safe on such types of bike rides. Woman who go out on the road > on their own are slightly crazy. They seem not to know what monsters we men > are. The sexes do seem to soften one another, ironically enough. Women can be harder than steel itself when left alone. > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 07 Mar 2006 10:24:47 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Me, if I'd sent a woman to heaven that way (heh), I think I'd keep on doing her, still, for the time being. I'd always considered the Ecstasy of Saint Theresa a velous sculpture. Catholics are really raunchy, don't be fooled. 'Member that FBI bigwig caught selling out to the KGB? He was an Opus Dei adherent who penned anonymous Net erotica involving swinging his wife around town, if you know what swinging is.... Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > > Very considerate towards the woman. [End sarcasm] Why not instead go > off and die someplace alone where you will not bother anyone else? > > On second though, maybe she might not notice right away. > > -- > Tom Sherman       Date: 08 Mar 2006 05:51:32 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141755887.694660.156910@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... All top posters are idiots! > Me, if I'd sent a woman to heaven that way (heh), I think I'd keep on > doing her, still, for the time being. > > I'd always considered the Ecstasy of Saint Theresa a velous > sculpture. Catholics are really raunchy, don't be fooled. 'Member > that FBI bigwig caught selling out to the KGB? He was an Opus Dei > adherent who penned anonymous Net erotica involving swinging his wife > around town, if you know what swinging is.... The only raunchy bastard here is NYC. Instead of NYC XYZ, he ought to label himself NYC XXX. That would be more honest and give the rest of us fair warning. But why is NYC blathering about St. Theresa and Catholics and Opus Dei. Surely there is a whole universe of porn terms he could use when referring to himself. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >> >> >> Very considerate towards the woman. [End sarcasm] Why not instead go >> off and die someplace alone where you will not bother anyone else? >> >> On second though, maybe she might not notice right away. >> >> -- >> Tom Sherman >     Date: 06 Mar 2006 21:16:56 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > ... > Well, I thought you might have meant something more "authentic"...! > IOW, I didn't get why you felt you needed a Chinese person to, erm, > "escort" you around unless you thought there was something too exotic > for the tourists that was being kept hidden...like, I dunno, a Gremlin? They used to make Gremlin's near where I live: <http://www.phoenixgraphix.com/amc/1973gx.jpg >. -- Tom Sherman     Date: 06 Mar 2006 21:03:33 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Bill Baka wrote: > > Me too. I want to either go out on a bike doing a serious climb or on a > woman doing a manly act. The ONLY way to die in bed. Very considerate towards the woman. [End sarcasm] Why not instead go off and die someplace alone where you will not bother anyone else? On second though, maybe she might not notice right away. -- Tom Sherman     Date: 06 Mar 2006 20:53:04 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > ... > Not enough sunlight will equal extreme cold. Extreme cold means no life. All > life is based on the photosynthesis of plants. Without that, there can be no > animal life whatsoever.... A trip to a deep sea "vent" is in order for Mr. Ed Dolan. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain       Date: 07 Mar 2006 10:54:28 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141707184.808391.280650@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> ... >> Not enough sunlight will equal extreme cold. Extreme cold means no life. >> All >> life is based on the photosynthesis of plants. Without that, there can be >> no >> animal life whatsoever.... > > A trip to a deep sea "vent" is in order for Mr. Ed Dolan. Until life is discovered on s I will stand by what I have said. Who gives a damn about a few bacteria anyway. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 06 Mar 2006 07:50:55 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Little Meow wrote: > > > He didn't write that he couldn't find them, he wrote that he won't take you > out to show you any of the ones in Chinatown. Actually, a lot of the "old style" barber shops (as opposed to the "salons") seem to have this back-end to them which is, I presume, the massage parlor. Typically there's a one-way mirror that takes up a large part of the wall and a door next to it...but that's really all I know. > It would appear that he is hiding from them. I don't understand what you mean. > I imagine that there are rules for properly tipping > one's personal attendant, but I am loathe to submit a > question of this nature to Miss Manners. A tip is a tip, I'd think. 15% lunch, 20% dinner, no?       Date: 06 Mar 2006 17:51:49 From: Little Meow Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ jack_foreigner@yahoo.com wrote in news:1141660255.297274.255850@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com: > > Little Meow wrote: >> >> >> He didn't write that he couldn't find them, he wrote that he won't take >> you out to show you any of the ones in Chinatown. > > Actually, a lot of the "old style" barber shops (as opposed to the > "salons") seem to have this back-end to them which is, I presume, the > massage parlor. Typically there's a one-way mirror that takes up a > large part of the wall and a door next to it...but that's really all I > know. > Yeah. There are some places that I don't know exactly where and I don't really know exactly what goes on, but when I mention them to my friends, or they mention them to me, a big grin breaks out on all our faces. >> It would appear that he is hiding from them. > > I don't understand what you mean. Gotcha! (Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more.) > >> I imagine that there are rules for properly tipping >> one's personal attendant, but I am loathe to submit a >> question of this nature to Miss Manners. > > A tip is a tip, I'd think. 15% lunch, 20% dinner, no? > What's the tip for a... how should I put this *looks at paragraph above*... an "old style" "barber shop" "back-end" in NY.         Date: 06 Mar 2006 14:31:56 From: oldslowbenter Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Little Meow" <meow@meow.meow > wrote in message news:977EF6E89277E7F0E7FF@127.0.0.1... > NYC XYZ jack_foreigner@yahoo.com wrote in > news:1141660255.297274.255850@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com: > >> >> Little Meow wrote: >>> >>> >>> He didn't write that he couldn't find them, he wrote that he won't take >>> you out to show you any of the ones in Chinatown. >> >> Actually, a lot of the "old style" barber shops (as opposed to the >> "salons") seem to have this back-end to them which is, I presume, the >> massage parlor. Typically there's a one-way mirror that takes up a >> large part of the wall and a door next to it...but that's really all I >> know. >> > Yeah. > There are some places that I don't know exactly where and I don't > really know exactly what goes on, but when I mention them to my > friends, or they mention them to me, a big grin breaks out on all > our faces. > In the good old days, a lot of barbers were Italian, from the old country. The room in the back was a where the bookmakers took bets. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----     Date: 06 Mar 2006 07:44:09 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Jeff Grippe wrote: > > > Funny! You think they are hard to find? There are pages and pages of ads in > the Village Voice and in the Yellow Pages. They don't exactly hide. Well, I thought you might have meant something more "authentic"...! IOW, I didn't get why you felt you needed a Chinese person to, erm, "escort" you around unless you thought there was something too exotic for the tourists that was being kept hidden...like, I dunno, a Gremlin? > I still haven't gotten walking down yet so I think the biking is out for the > time being. I am exercising again and I'm weight training and working my > legs as hard as I can. My right leg, however, is still not much better than > 50-60% of what it used to be. If you don't know what I'm talking about then > let me know and I'll tell you about being hit by a car back in October, etc. No, I know about the accident (you're a better man than me; I'd have stabbed the driver), but I didn't realize that you're still in such...uh, what do you call it...um, such dire straits, physically, anyway...I mean, you looked fine in that Superman outfit! > In August, my wife and I will put in a couple of days on some rail trails. I > imagine that I'll get on a trike before then. I actually have one that > wasn't destroyed. It is going to be some time before I'm back to serious > miles but I fully intend to get there. Well then, the dinner will be on *me*! Seriously, I'm sure it'll be a pleasure making your acquaintance once you're up for a little ride. > At least for a little while, talking about cycling is all I'll probably be > doing. Ah, well, that's great, seeing how my favorite topic these two months have been getting an HP Velotechnik SMGTe...what do you know about air shocks and disc brakes? (Ed and Pete are such ideologues, you know, when it comes to having tea and conversation....) > We have a great Chinese restaurant in the next town over called K-Fung's. > Their menu is not the run of the mill stuff that most Chinese take out's > have. Oh, well, then that's your Chinese acquaintance right there! Don't tell me he doesn't care for 'bents, now! > As far a Chinatown(s), there are a few places with no English menus. They > don't exactly keep white people out but if you can't read the menu or speak > the language then there is very little that you can do. Hmm, I imagine it's what any crazyguyonabike.com journalist would do -- gesticulate! I also think everyone knows the English "beef," "chicken," "pork," "dog"..."ARBR special".... > On the other hand > there are any number of great places that cater to everyone. There are also > some great Vietnamese places as well. I have a client on Broome Street and > whenever I go there there is a Vietnamese place that makes the best soups. I > love getting lunch from there. Aha, you see, you're not some lost out-of-towner, then. Sounds like you could teach me a thing or two! I really don't know Chinatown in any "useful" way...there are a literal handful of places I go to when I go there at all...and anyway, there are two other Chinatowns which are more interesting to me since they're really not tourist destinations and ever-so-slightly less crowded, if that's imaginable! > I have one Chinese friend (she used to work at the place on Broome Street) > but we just don't see much of each other these days. It is just difficult > finding the time to maintain some relationships when your paths don't cross > naturally. She speaks but can't read. We've talked about Sunday brunch for > years but never gotten it together. Well, the offer stands: I'll take *you* out to some place once you are able to ride (ever heard of "stinky tofu"?)! Do you ride any uprights, by any chance? I just can't imagine a trike in the City! I might even be riding an upright myself, since I don't know how I'll lock up a 'bent.... > Take care. > > Jeff You too, Jeff; looking forward to toasting your complete recovery over fruit juice!       Date: 06 Mar 2006 22:13:50 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141659848.972099.160380@j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com... > > Jeff Grippe wrote: >> >> > Aha, you see, you're not some lost out-of-towner, then. Sounds like > you could teach me a thing or two! I really don't know Chinatown in > any "useful" way...there are a literal handful of places I go to when I > go there at all...and anyway, there are two other Chinatowns which are > more interesting to me since they're really not tourist destinations > and ever-so-slightly less crowded, if that's imaginable! > Although the total amount of time that I've actually lived in Manhattan is only 6 months, I've lived within 25 miles of it all my life. I am no stranger to Chinatown, Little Italy, and that whole downtown area. That is why I know that there are "Chinese Only" restaurants. Being in my late 40's, rather on the large side, and of Jewish ancestry, great Chinese food is of much more interest to me than medicore (and somewhat risky) sex. Once I can really ride again we should certainly see if we can do some organized (or disorganized) ride together. Thanks for your good wishes regarding my recovery. Jeff     Date: 27 Feb 2006 09:46:59 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Mike Rice wrote: > > > I seem to recall a study where incident of homosexuality in rats > increase with overcrowded population. > > Indiana Mike How interesting! I saw on PBS once how a group of female-only African bullfrogs will one day have one or two of them turn into a male, just like that!     Date: 24 Feb 2006 20:01:53 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1140798500.386824.167040@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> The women are being dragged along by their husbands. They would rather be >> home cooking and housecleaning and going to church like all good women >> should. If I were a woman, I would know how to treat my husband and he >> would >> be in the business of pleasing me, not me him. > > Nah, give me a whore any time, a whore with a heart of gold and organs > of fire. A woman was made for sex; a man was made for work. Well, yes and no! First of all, you will never in his world find a whore with a heart of gold. They only exist in Hollywood movies and on the Broadway stage. The fact is, every man would like to ry a whore provided she only be a whore with him. But they never are. That is the problem and it leads to nothing but murder and mayhem. I recommend that NYC get himself down to his local synagogue and pick some nice Jewish girl there. After all, life is long and our fancies are short. Old Navy joke: What is the difference between a slut and a bitch? A slut will have sex with anyone and a bitch will have sex with anyone except me! Also, not all men are made for work. However, most men would be well advised to devote their lives to it as it will keep them out of mischief. Only Great Ones like Myself can ever rise above the necessity for work. Mr. Sherman for instance is pure drudgery whereas Mr. Dolan is pure Essence of Being. Mr. Sherman is bogged down in material things whereas Mr. Dolan is bogged down in immaterial things. I sometimes question who has the more difficult life. >> You will normally see more women on organized group week long tours >> because >> they will be safe on such types of bike rides. Woman who go out on the >> road >> on their own are slightly crazy. They seem not to know what monsters we >> men >> are. > > The sexes do seem to soften one another, ironically enough. Women can > be harder than steel itself when left alone. Women are very good for men, but I question how good men are for women. Even when women are being "hard" they are not murderers. Murder lurks just under the surface of all men. We men are killer apes at heart. I should have been a pair of ragged claws Scuttling across the floors of silent seas. T.S. Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 06 Mar 2006 19:37:27 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > ...The final verdict on miscegenation is not yet in. I understand that one can successfully use indexing Campy shifters and a Campy rear derailleur with Shimano rear hubs, clusters, cranks and chainrings. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain       Date: 06 Mar 2006 19:32:59 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? GaryG wrote: > ... > Sex between the races used to be illegal... Did this apply to the rest days of stage races, or just to the time between events during criteriums and at the velodrome? -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain   Date: 23 Feb 2006 07:27:03 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Jeff Wills wrote: > > > You need to get out to the left coast. After looking at the panorama > taken at the Recumbent Retreat: http://www.recumbentretreat.org/ , I'd > guess that the ridership is about 30% female. > > Jeff Hey, that's a really cool shot! Thanks for sharing. Really restores my faith in cycling! =)     Date: 06 Mar 2006 19:20:58 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? GaryG wrote: > ...The 9-11 hijackers were clearly evil guys.... In much of the world you would not get that simplistic answer from most people. > ... > Are things worse now than they were in 1941? Are they worse now than during > the Cuban Missle Crisis? Are they worse now than in the '60's when folks > were building bomb shelters, and we had air raid drills during school? > Worse than when there were Jim Crow laws? Worse than when women couldn't > vote? How, exactly, is evil "worse now than it ever was"?... The Homo sapiens have erred in overpopulating and abusing Earth, and will reap the consequences. -- Tom Sherman     Date: 06 Mar 2006 07:51:44 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Navy, eh? Not my fault you got ripped off on that Rolex, you cheap bastard! Edward Dolan wrote: > > > Jeff, NYC is a work of art (bad art) and I would advise you to stay the hell > away from him. He is scum pure and simple. I know whereof I speak, having > known this type in the Navy. Just when you think you have plumbed the > depths, they reveal ever new depths to their loathsomeness. Finally, you > discover it is bottomless. You meet up with this asshole at your peril. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 05 Mar 2006 16:54:47 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? So true! Reminds me of Caligula at the Shores of Dover proclaiming victory over Neptune, for which proof he had rounded up captured seashells! The aggressor never chooses -- it is the recipient who decides. Little Meow wrote: > > > > However, NYC should not be into taking advantage of women. > Men only think they are taking advantage of women. > The female is the most cunning creature on the face > of the earth. Since the world was created, her goal > has been to tempt men to their downfall and drain > them of their vital fluids.     Date: 05 Mar 2006 16:50:51 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Jeff Grippe wrote: > > Are you Chinese as in someone who can actually speak and read Chinese? I > haven't had a real Chinese friend or acquaintance in years. I'll buy lunch > in Chinatown if you'll take to one of those places where there are no > English menus and they don't tend to let in "Round Eyes" unescorted. > > Jeff Sure Jeff -- just don't expect me to show you no massage parlors, okay? Actually, no, I don't really speak and write Chinese...my French and German is actually better, at the intermediate (200-level)! And I don't know of any place that wouldn't let in non-Chinese in the three NYC Chinatowns, but there are lotsa good eats for $10 a person, depending on your appetite (I can eat $30 myself at one of these joints [not to worry, we'll Dutch, since the best 'bents are made there!]). Will you be doing the Five Borough Bike Tour this year, or the Montauk 145-Miler? We could meet up then, a post-ride celebratory dinner! I'm curious how you could live around NYC and not have even a Chinese acquaintance...ain't there no Chinese take-out by you?? Even Baghdad's Green Zone has one, a hole-in-the-wall called The Green Dragon!       Date: 05 Mar 2006 20:43:07 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141606251.915933.65890@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Jeff Grippe wrote: >> >> Are you Chinese as in someone who can actually speak and read Chinese? I >> haven't had a real Chinese friend or acquaintance in years. I'll buy >> lunch >> in Chinatown if you'll take to one of those places where there are no >> English menus and they don't tend to let in "Round Eyes" unescorted. >> >> Jeff > > > Sure Jeff -- just don't expect me to show you no massage parlors, okay? Funny! You think they are hard to find? There are pages and pages of ads in the Village Voice and in the Yellow Pages. They don't exactly hide. > > Actually, no, I don't really speak and write Chinese...my French and > German is actually better, at the intermediate (200-level)! And I > don't know of any place that wouldn't let in non-Chinese in the three > NYC Chinatowns, but there are lotsa good eats for $10 a person, > depending on your appetite (I can eat $30 myself at one of these joints > [not to worry, we'll Dutch, since the best 'bents are made there!]). > > Will you be doing the Five Borough Bike Tour this year, or the Montauk > 145-Miler? We could meet up then, a post-ride celebratory dinner! I'm > curious how you could live around NYC and not have even a Chinese > acquaintance...ain't there no Chinese take-out by you?? Even Baghdad's > Green Zone has one, a hole-in-the-wall called The Green Dragon! > I still haven't gotten walking down yet so I think the biking is out for the time being. I am exercising again and I'm weight training and working my legs as hard as I can. My right leg, however, is still not much better than 50-60% of what it used to be. If you don't know what I'm talking about then let me know and I'll tell you about being hit by a car back in October, etc. In August, my wife and I will put in a couple of days on some rail trails. I imagine that I'll get on a trike before then. I actually have one that wasn't destroyed. It is going to be some time before I'm back to serious miles but I fully intend to get there. At least for a little while, talking about cycling is all I'll probably be doing. We have a great Chinese restaurant in the next town over called K-Fung's. Their menu is not the run of the mill stuff that most Chinese take out's have. As far a Chinatown(s), there are a few places with no English menus. They don't exactly keep white people out but if you can't read the menu or speak the language then there is very little that you can do. On the other hand there are any number of great places that cater to everyone. There are also some great Vietnamese places as well. I have a client on Broome Street and whenever I go there there is a Vietnamese place that makes the best soups. I love getting lunch from there. I have one Chinese friend (she used to work at the place on Broome Street) but we just don't see much of each other these days. It is just difficult finding the time to maintain some relationships when your paths don't cross naturally. She speaks but can't read. We've talked about Sunday brunch for years but never gotten it together. Take care. Jeff         Date: 06 Mar 2006 03:06:53 From: Little Meow Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Jeff Grippe jeff@door7.com wrote in news:120n4r57hurjpb1@news.supernews.com: > > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1141606251.915933.65890@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... >> >> Jeff Grippe wrote: >>> >>> Are you Chinese as in someone who can actually speak and read Chinese? I >>> haven't had a real Chinese friend or acquaintance in years. I'll buy >>> lunch >>> in Chinatown if you'll take to one of those places where there are no >>> English menus and they don't tend to let in "Round Eyes" unescorted. >>> >>> Jeff >> >> >> Sure Jeff -- just don't expect me to show you no massage parlors, okay? > > Funny! You think they are hard to find? There are pages and pages of ads in > the Village Voice and in the Yellow Pages. > He didn't write that he couldn't find them, he wrote that he won't take you out to show you any of the ones in Chinatown. > They don't exactly hide. It would appear that he is hiding from them. I imagine that there are rules for properly tipping one's personal attendant, but I am loathe to submit a question of this nature to Miss Manners.     Date: 05 Mar 2006 13:08:31 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > China has been a mess like forever. If you think China was so wonderful, why > didn't you stay there and spare the rest of us your idiocies. Since when did you refer to yourself in the plural? And who said China's so wonderful? Only that I'd rather eat dogs than drink dog-piss. Elementary, my dear Dolan! > Nope, not enough sunlight and there would be no life on earth. Elementary my > dear Watson! No shit, Sherlock. But that's about getting life started. Once started, it's evolved such that some can live without sunlight. > The entire group now knows what you are thanks to me. But that is what I am > here for, to expose frauds like yourself. Just answer the question and tell me what model kitchen sink that Peter Clinch says is available for recumbents. I want the hands-free one with motion sensors. > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 05 Mar 2006 16:21:28 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141592911.269603.164990@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> China has been a mess like forever. If you think China was so wonderful, >> why >> didn't you stay there and spare the rest of us your idiocies. > > Since when did you refer to yourself in the plural? I am speaking for the group since I have been here many years and you are a newbie. > And who said China's so wonderful? Only that I'd rather eat dogs than > drink dog-piss. Elementary, my dear Dolan! > >> Nope, not enough sunlight and there would be no life on earth. Elementary >> my >> dear Watson! > > No shit, Sherlock. But that's about getting life started. Once > started, it's evolved such that some can live without sunlight. [...] Not enough sunlight will equal extreme cold. Extreme cold means no life. All life is based on the photosynthesis of plants. Without that, there can be no animal life whatsoever. There is no life on s for precisely this reason. Too damn cold because it does not get enough sunlight. Pluto, anyone? Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 05 Mar 2006 19:18:09 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:5s-dnawQwfLy-ZbZRVn-og@prairiewave.com... > > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1141592911.269603.164990@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> Edward Dolan wrote: >>> >>> >>> China has been a mess like forever. If you think China was so wonderful, >>> why >>> didn't you stay there and spare the rest of us your idiocies. >> >> Since when did you refer to yourself in the plural? > > I am speaking for the group since I have been here many years and you are > a newbie. > Please Ed, don't speak for me. I'll do my own speaking when I choose to. Please don't ever claim to be the voice of the group. I think you've had enough responses from enough people to know that isn't so. Your cute little numbers game (most prolific poster) does not allow you to lay claim to being the voice of the group. As a member of the group, you get one vote regardless of how much you post. We can all speak for ourselves. As you have pointed out many times, this group does not have a unified voice. That being the case, you can't speak for it. And BTW, I'm speaking for the group here. Jeff           Date: 05 Mar 2006 20:46:16 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:120mvrra831okc7@news.supernews.com... > > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:5s-dnawQwfLy-ZbZRVn-og@prairiewave.com... >> >> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1141592911.269603.164990@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> Edward Dolan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> China has been a mess like forever. If you think China was so >>>> wonderful, why >>>> didn't you stay there and spare the rest of us your idiocies. >>> >>> Since when did you refer to yourself in the plural? >> >> I am speaking for the group since I have been here many years and you are >> a newbie. >> > > Please Ed, don't speak for me. I'll do my own speaking when I choose to. > Please don't ever claim to be the voice of the group. I think you've had > enough responses from enough people to know that isn't so. Your cute > little numbers game (most prolific poster) does not allow you to lay claim > to being the voice of the group. As a member of the group, you get one > vote regardless of how much you post. We can all speak for ourselves. As > you have pointed out many times, this group does not have a unified voice. > That being the case, you can't speak for it. > > And BTW, I'm speaking for the group here. NYC is an asshole and when I tell him that I am sure I am speaking for the group. I am Mr. ARBR as everyone knows. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota           Date: 06 Mar 2006 02:08:03 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? On Sun, 5 2006 19:18:09 -0500, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote: > >"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message >news:5s-dnawQwfLy-ZbZRVn-og@prairiewave.com... >> >> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1141592911.269603.164990@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> Edward Dolan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> China has been a mess like forever. If you think China was so wonderful, >>>> why >>>> didn't you stay there and spare the rest of us your idiocies. >>> >>> Since when did you refer to yourself in the plural? >> >> I am speaking for the group since I have been here many years and you are >> a newbie. >> > >Please Ed, don't speak for me. I'll do my own speaking when I choose to. >Please don't ever claim to be the voice of the group. I think you've had >enough responses from enough people to know that isn't so. Your cute little >numbers game (most prolific poster) does not allow you to lay claim to being >the voice of the group. As a member of the group, you get one vote >regardless of how much you post. We can all speak for ourselves. As you have >pointed out many times, this group does not have a unified voice. That being >the case, you can't speak for it. > >And BTW, I'm speaking for the group here. > >Jeff > Thanks Jeff. In this case you have spoken for me. at least. Mr. Ed was more tolerable than usual during the recent time he spent away from his little red friend, but I see he's again extiolling the virtues of vino, and again slipping into his more usual persona. As to another misconception Mr E is leaving strewn about riders of the female persuasion are welcome of course, most of the posters to ARBR aren't nearly so negatively opinionated as the ol' blowhard. If you find him difficult to ignore some have found kill filters to be appropriate. When Ed's not in his defensive insulting mode he can on occasion be of some entertainment value, so I will never use a killfile in his direction. Overall, I am afraid the only purpose Ed's presence serves (outside of his own delusional version of reality) is to limit participation in the group. Too bad we don't have a higher volumn of on topic material, although that does seem to looking up a little. On an unrelated subject, I haven't been very active as a poster here for a while. I may have mentioned a cardiac incedent from back in October, I recently was confirmed in my suspicions that it was a heart attack. Probably due to my riding and being somewhat aerobically fit I was fortunate to grow a new blood supply for the damaged area, and have finally begun commuting on my Tour Easy again just this past week or so. I foolishly avoided seeing a physician until after I was nearly recovered (four or five weeks) and two-and-a-half more months went by before the tests were done to definiatively show my situation. I'm afraid that I will be taking another break from both riding and posting due to bypass surgery scheduled for this coming Friday to take care of blockages in two other arteries. My computer is down a flight of stairs from the living area, and I think stairs will be forbiden for several weeks at least. Hoping your experiencing as speedy a recovery as I am plannig, Indiana Mike             Date: 07 Mar 2006 10:49:40 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:1h4n021tmds9qljga31tj48udv4faaosa4@4ax.com... [...] > Thanks Jeff. In this case you have spoken for me. at least. Mr. Ed was > more tolerable than usual during the recent time he spent away from > his little red friend, but I see he's again extiolling the virtues of > vino, and again slipping into his more usual persona. But that is the effect that idiots, morons and imbeciles have on me. Nothing is ever going to change in that regard. But moral cretins especially, like GaryG, NYC and Jeff, will really bring out the best in me. Great Saints are like that, you know. > As to another misconception Mr E is leaving strewn about riders of the > female persuasion are welcome of course, most of the posters to ARBR > aren't nearly so negatively opinionated as the ol' blowhard. If you > find him difficult to ignore some have found kill filters to be > appropriate. When Ed's not in his defensive insulting mode he can on > occasion be of some entertainment value, so I will never use a > killfile in his direction. Overall, I am afraid the only purpose Ed's > presence serves (outside of his own delusional version of reality) is > to limit participation in the group. Too bad we don't have a higher > volumn of on topic material, although that does seem to looking up a > little. We need to drag some of the posts from RBM over here. It is all bicycle related and much of it applies to recumbents as well as uprights. There is a real danger in being too small a newsgroup, as Ed Gin proved decisively once and for all. > On an unrelated subject, I haven't been very active as a poster here > for a while. I may have mentioned a cardiac incedent from back in > October, I recently was confirmed in my suspicions that it was a heart > attack. Probably due to my riding and being somewhat aerobically fit I > was fortunate to grow a new blood supply for the damaged area, and > have finally begun commuting on my Tour Easy again just this past week > or so. I foolishly avoided seeing a physician until after I was nearly > recovered (four or five weeks) and two-and-a-half more months went by > before the tests were done to definiatively show my situation. I'm > afraid that I will be taking another break from both riding and > posting due to bypass surgery scheduled for this coming Friday to take > care of blockages in two other arteries. My computer is down a flight > of stairs from the living area, and I think stairs will be forbiden > for several weeks at least. I think the doc is going to put me on a statin as my cholesterol is running a bit high lately. Damn, I hate all these medications I am on, but I guess if you need them you need them. My main aim in life is to avoid any and all cardiovascular surgery. Best of luck to you on your bypass operation. Just take things easy for awhile and you will be OK. Almost everyone I know has had bypass surgery, and some have had it a couple of times. But I must admit it scares the hell out of me! Best Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota             Date: 06 Mar 2006 22:17:30 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:1h4n021tmds9qljga31tj48udv4faaosa4@4ax.com... > On Sun, 5 2006 19:18:09 -0500, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> > On an unrelated subject, I haven't been very active as a poster here > for a while. I may have mentioned a cardiac incedent from back in > October, I recently was confirmed in my suspicions that it was a heart > attack. Probably due to my riding and being somewhat aerobically fit I > was fortunate to grow a new blood supply for the damaged area, and > have finally begun commuting on my Tour Easy again just this past week > or so. I foolishly avoided seeing a physician until after I was nearly > recovered (four or five weeks) and two-and-a-half more months went by > before the tests were done to definiatively show my situation. I'm > afraid that I will be taking another break from both riding and > posting due to bypass surgery scheduled for this coming Friday to take > care of blockages in two other arteries. My computer is down a flight > of stairs from the living area, and I think stairs will be forbiden > for several weeks at least. > > Hoping your experiencing as speedy a recovery as I am plannig, > > Indiana Mike Mike, I don't know if you'll see this any time soon but I wish you a full and speedy recovery. Best of luck. Jeff               Date: 07 Mar 2006 10:38:34 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? On Mon, 6 2006 22:17:30 -0500, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote: > >"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote in message >news:1h4n021tmds9qljga31tj48udv4faaosa4@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 5 2006 19:18:09 -0500, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> > >> On an unrelated subject, I haven't been very active as a poster here >> for a while. I may have mentioned a cardiac incedent from back in >> October, I recently was confirmed in my suspicions that it was a heart >> attack. Probably due to my riding and being somewhat aerobically fit I >> was fortunate to grow a new blood supply for the damaged area, and >> have finally begun commuting on my Tour Easy again just this past week >> or so. I foolishly avoided seeing a physician until after I was nearly >> recovered (four or five weeks) and two-and-a-half more months went by >> before the tests were done to definiatively show my situation. I'm >> afraid that I will be taking another break from both riding and >> posting due to bypass surgery scheduled for this coming Friday to take >> care of blockages in two other arteries. My computer is down a flight >> of stairs from the living area, and I think stairs will be forbiden >> for several weeks at least. >> >> Hoping your experiencing as speedy a recovery as I am plannig, >> >> Indiana Mike > >Mike, > >I don't know if you'll see this any time soon but I wish you a full and >speedy recovery. Best of luck. > >Jeff > My surgery is this Friday, so I have three more days before confined to the upstairs (and away from the computer. Thanks for the well wishes. Indiana Mike         Date: 05 Mar 2006 15:39:25 From: GaryG Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:5s-dnawQwfLy-ZbZRVn-og@prairiewave.com... > > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1141592911.269603.164990@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> > >> > > I am speaking for the group since I have been here many years and you are a > newbie. How can you speak for anybody, when you hate everybody? > > > And who said China's so wonderful? Only that I'd rather eat dogs than > > drink dog-piss. Elementary, my dear Dolan! > > > >> Nope, not enough sunlight and there would be no life on earth. Elementary > >> my > >> dear Watson! > > > > No shit, Sherlock. But that's about getting life started. Once > > started, it's evolved such that some can live without sunlight. > [...] > > Not enough sunlight will equal extreme cold. Extreme cold means no life. All > life is based on the photosynthesis of plants. Without that, there can be no > animal life whatsoever. The "Grate" ED once again illustrates his ignorance. Apparently, ED has never heard of chemosynthetic autotrophs (e.g., deep-sea bacteria that live without light and are fueled by the oxidation of simple inorganic compounds). These same types of bacteria have been discovered living beneath the Anartctic ice cap at depths of several thousand meters. See http://www.answers.com/topic/chemosynthesis GG > > There is no life on s for precisely this reason. Too damn cold because it > does not get enough sunlight. Pluto, anyone? > > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan           Date: 05 Mar 2006 20:41:47 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com > wrote in message news:iEKOf.964$RC4.786@fe03.lga... [...] > The "Grate" ED once again illustrates his ignorance. Apparently, ED has > never heard of chemosynthetic autotrophs (e.g., deep-sea bacteria that > live > without light and are fueled by the oxidation of simple inorganic > compounds). These same types of bacteria have been discovered living > beneath the Anartctic ice cap at depths of several thousand meters. > > See http://www.answers.com/topic/chemosynthesis But there has to be enough sunlight to keep water in a liquid state. Therefore, not enough sunlight, no life. Elementary, my dear Watson! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 05 Mar 2006 12:58:59 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Did you say something? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > You could post in Sanskrit and it wouldn't matter to me because I have > determined that you never know what the hell you are talking about no matter > the language. No one here knows any Chinese nor do we want to know it > anymore than we want to know Sanskrit. What an idiot! > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 05 Mar 2006 16:41:12 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141592339.356967.188450@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > Did you say something? Only that you are a jackass and a moron, but you already know that much no doubt. But I want the newsgroup to know too without any shadow of a doubt. So, I am saying it to them, not to you. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> You could post in Sanskrit and it wouldn't matter to me because I have >> determined that you never know what the hell you are talking about no >> matter >> the language. No one here knows any Chinese nor do we want to know it >> anymore than we want to know Sanskrit. What an idiot!         Date: 05 Mar 2006 15:45:28 From: GaryG Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:4uKdnWTKfoCN9JbZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@prairiewave.com... > > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1141592339.356967.188450@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > > > Did you say something? > > Only that you are a jackass and a moron, but you already know that much no > doubt. But I want the newsgroup to know too without any shadow of a doubt. > So, I am saying it to them, not to you. That would be an effective strategy...but only if the group didn't already view you as a fearful, bigoted, angry, blowhard who hasn't been laid in a long, long time. GG > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan           Date: 05 Mar 2006 21:01:22 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "GaryG" <sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com > wrote in message news:ZJKOf.965$RC4.443@fe03.lga... > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:4uKdnWTKfoCN9JbZnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@prairiewave.com... >> >> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1141592339.356967.188450@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Did you say something? >> >> Only that you are a jackass and a moron, but you already know that much >> no >> doubt. But I want the newsgroup to know too without any shadow of a >> doubt. >> So, I am saying it to them, not to you. > > That would be an effective strategy...but only if the group didn't already > view you as a fearful, bigoted, angry, blowhard who hasn't been laid in a > long, long time. Care to tell us all about your lays? Only then can we form an adequate opinion of your swinishness. But who would lay with a piece of shit like you? That is the question! I can see you laying with pigs because that is what you are, but humans? Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 28 Feb 2006 19:55:05 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Bill Baka wrote: > ... > AIDs and homos may be the answer to overpopulation.... How about putting children at the top of steep hills on their trikes [1] and seeing how fast they can go? [1] Upright, fixed gear, direct drive, moving bottom bracket delta trikes, that is. -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain       Date: 01 Mar 2006 06:39:53 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > Bill Baka wrote: > >>... >>AIDs and homos may be the answer to overpopulation.... > > > How about putting children at the top of steep hills on their trikes > [1] and seeing how fast they can go? I was an excessively outrageous kid, and like I have mentioned here, what seemed like 50 MPH to me at 4 worked out to 25 when I let my car roll in neutral down that same hill. A lot of kids will try things like that if they are normal and not wimps, it is called growing up and learning by doing. > > [1] Upright, fixed gear, direct drive, moving bottom bracket delta > trikes, that is. >     Date: 28 Feb 2006 11:59:34 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > > I allow no one on this group to get to the right of me. Share the road. > What you say about them is only too true. We would rank right up there with > Switzerland if we were not constantly being dragged down by all our colored > minorities. They will be the ruination of the US. Demography is destiny. And > Mr. Sherman and I are not reproducing. How about you? Not yet, but I'm a colored minority so there are lots of my fellows taking over in my stead. I must say that I was initially a bit surprised at how many non-whites there seems to be on 'bents in NYC. > NYC - You are an asshole! I do love a woman's "brown eye".... > NYC - You are an asshole! Well, I am what I eat! > NYC - You are an asshole! Are you a faggot, O Grate One? > NYC - You are an asshole! No wonder you're so homophobic! > It is minuscule. What percentage of the US population do you think are > actually homo (born that way) as opposed to how many are acting homo for > reasons of their own (not born that way). The statistics on this are all > screwed up and no one has a good fix on it. One thing is for sure, nature > does not create many homos. It is society that creates all the homos, and > sick societies at that. Who cares. The world's doing fine on its own. > But I am stripping away civilization to get back to the essentials. It is > only the essentials that interest me. Everything else that you concern > yourself with is just icing on the cake. Okay, keep chasing your own tail if it amuses you so much. > Nope, recumbents will NEVER be popular. If they were ever going to be > popular, they would have been so by now. After all, they have been around > since the beginning. Please, do not try to reinvent the wheel. It is a waste > of time and effort and you will just end up back where you started. Try to > learn from the experience of others. 'Bents have an image problem. HP Velo needs to do product placement in all the summer block-busters. And no old people! But yes, you must have lots of gays in on this...they make the most money out of any demographic group in the US. > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 01 Mar 2006 02:07:17 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141156774.425160.123570@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] > I must say that I was initially a bit surprised at how many non-whites > there seems to be on 'bents in NYC. They have most likely lost their driver's license due to drunken driving and in general just being the kind of fools they are. We have the same configuration here in SW Minnesota where all the newly arrived Hispanics think they can drive here in the US like they drive in Mexico. Consequently, they soon lose their driver's licenses and end up on bikes. After all, cycling beat walking. [...] >> Nope, recumbents will NEVER be popular. If they were ever going to be >> popular, they would have been so by now. After all, they have been around >> since the beginning. Please, do not try to reinvent the wheel. It is a >> waste >> of time and effort and you will just end up back where you started. Try >> to >> learn from the experience of others. > > 'Bents have an image problem. HP Velo needs to do product placement in > all the summer block-busters. And no old people! But yes, you must > have lots of gays in on this...they make the most money out of any > demographic group in the US. It has nothing to do with an image problem and everything to do with the fact that people don't like them for whatever reasons. Very few adults care about any kind of bikes. They care about cars - and pickup trucks in the mountain West. It is really only 12 year old kids who are into bikes. Is NYC a Gay Black Jew? My God, the worst of all possible combinations! Even Sammy Davis Jr., as ugly as he was, managed to ry a tall blond Swede, like that was somehow going to save him. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 23 Feb 2006 18:00:41 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1140708423.614716.127910@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Jeff Wills wrote: >> >> >> You need to get out to the left coast. After looking at the panorama >> taken at the Recumbent Retreat: http://www.recumbentretreat.org/ , I'd >> guess that the ridership is about 30% female. >> >> Jeff > > > Hey, that's a really cool shot! Thanks for sharing. Really restores > my faith in cycling! =) The women are being dragged along by their husbands. They would rather be home cooking and housecleaning and going to church like all good women should. If I were a woman, I would know how to treat my husband and he would be in the business of pleasing me, not me him. You will normally see more women on organized group week long tours because they will be safe on such types of bike rides. Woman who go out on the road on their own are slightly crazy. They seem not to know what monsters we men are. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 22 Feb 2006 17:37:02 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Rich wrote: > GaryG wrote: > > > Because I hope to never ride a tricycle. > > > > Why would I want to ride something that's heavy and slow, when a 2-wheeled > > bike is so much faster, and more fun? > > I think most of those who've ridden both would say the trike is more fun. I find riding a trike much more relaxing since one can run over things such as railroad tracks and through loose chip seal without paying attention to balance. However, the trike lacks the connected feel one has on a bicycle (especially a lowracer) since it does not steer (to any noticeable extent) with upper body weight shift. The difficult part is remembering to stay clipped-in when stopping on the trike. ;) -- Tom Sherman   Date: 21 Feb 2006 08:31:05 From: Jeff Wills Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > Peter Clinch wrote: > > > > > > Maybe I'm reading that a different way than you intended... I saw it as > > "appeal more to women than men", where maybe you meant "trikes appeal to > > women more than bikes". > > Yes. > > > My sample base of lady 'benters is far too > > small > > It's okay; you can whisper -- I won't tell! > You need to get out to the left coast. After looking at the panorama taken at the Recumbent Retreat: http://www.recumbentretreat.org/ , I'd guess that the ridership is about 30% female. Jeff     Date: 01 Mar 2006 09:27:50 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Peter Clinch wrote: > > > He developed the compact DF and the Halfway folder for them. Nothing > recumbent came out of it. The more recent Revivce is a semi recumbent, > and while some people seem to like them others have suggested they take > the worst features of 'bents and uprights and combine them. Having > tried a fairly similar R&M Equinox a few years ago, I can see where the > adverse comment comes from :-( > > Having parted company with Giant, he's back working for himself. Though > he still makes 'bents it seems most of his production right now is the 8 > Freight cargo bike (see > http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/8f-sofa.jpg) which is long > enough as it is without sitting the rider down too, so probably best off > as it is. Hmmm...bit of a cautionary tale...thanks for the history.... > Yes, basically the 3 speeds you usually get from a front changer are > replaced with a 3 speed hub at the back. It's nothing new, Moulton had > similar setups on AMs years and years ago, but now the DualDrive and a > Shimano equivalent are fairly mainstream. > > It keeps the front of the bike tidier and it means you can change gears > on the hub when stood still, plus there's a bit less wear and > maintenance needed, all of which is good. It makes taking out the back > wheel more awkward, and there's a bit more rolling resistance > freewheeling, which is not so good. You choose, you lose... > > Roos has it on her bike, and likes it, deciding on it over the Rohloff > as she really doesn't like twist shifters and that's the only way of > changing a Rohloff (DualDrives are usually twisters too, but Nazca have > done a nice job hacking bar end shifters so they work with DD, and > that's what she has on her bike). Well, thanks again! So I guess I'll stick with the bar-end shifters...if only for the novelty factor -- never seen 'em before! Though changing gears while stationary sounds convenient, I don't think I'd want the increased rolling resistance and hassle with the rear wheel...how much more resistance is there? Is it noticeable?? Like with the SON Dynamo Lighting System? Less wear and maintenance is good, though I'm not sure I see that (not mechanically-minded, after all).... > Pete. > -- > Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer > Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital > Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK > net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/       Date: 01 Mar 2006 22:40:14 From: Kurt Fischer Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote: > Peter Clinch wrote: > > It keeps the front of the bike tidier and it means you can change gears > > on the hub when stood still, plus there's a bit less wear and > > maintenance needed, all of which is good. It makes taking out the back > > wheel more awkward, and there's a bit more rolling resistance > > freewheeling, which is not so good. You choose, you lose... Just a little addendum to Pete's excellent explanation: If you need for some reason a very wide range of gears, it's easy to add a double or even triple crank-set in front. You'll get more gears than you can swallow under normal circumstances. ;-) > Well, thanks again! So I guess I'll stick with the bar-end > shifters...if only for the novelty factor -- never seen 'em before! Bar-end shifters are your best choice for 'bents with USS: simple, exact shifting, almost indestructible and you can chose between friction and indexed modus. And not to forget: they are easy to handle even with wet, greasy, or cold fingers. [ DualDrive ] > ...how much more resistance is there? Is it noticeable?? It's existent but hardly noticeable, especially in the middle gear of the hub which is direct driven, so to say. I have the predecessor of the DD on my trike, the Sachs 3x7. With a 11-34 cassette I'm able to stay most of the time in this gear, so no big loss there. Kurt       Date: 01 Mar 2006 21:30:14 From: Peter Clinch Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > Well, thanks again! So I guess I'll stick with the bar-end > shifters...if only for the novelty factor -- never seen 'em > before! They work very well on the underseat bars on the SMGT IME, I wouldn't change them for anything else myself. > Though changing gears while stationary sounds > convenient, I don't think I'd want the increased rolling > resistance and hassle with the rear wheel...how much more > resistance is there? Is it noticeable?? The extra hassle with the rear wheel is only hassle if you have to take it off. And it saves you hassle cleaning multiple front chainwheels, and chamging chains and chainrings more often, so it's all swings and roundabouts. The extra rolling resistance is a non-issue when underway, I only know it's the case because my biek freewheels downhill /slightly/ faster than Roos'. > Like with the SON Dynamo Lighting System? The only way I've ever been able to tell there was some sort of hub dynamo on the two bikes I have SONs on is because I can see where I'm going after dark. There's no tangible resistance IME, though clearly there must be /some/ in there. > Less wear and maintenance is good, though I'm not sure I see that No mechanism at the front so you don't have to look after it, straighter chainline and less chain derailling as there's none done at the front means less chain wear, and the rear hub is enclosed and protected from the elements and any crunge about the place so there's no cleaning to do and because there's no goop getting at the gubbins it stays in good order for much longer. Hub gear blocks are almost zero maintenance, derailleurs aren't. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/         Date: 02 Mar 2006 07:23:38 From: Jon Meinecke Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? [newsgroups trimmed] "Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk > wrote > [internal gear hub] > The extra rolling resistance is a non-issue when underway, ~33% of my recumbent bikes have no front derailer. %^) I have a three-speed Sachs 3x7 rear hub on my BikeE. I recall reading that there are drive-train losses associated with the internal gearing compared to a front derailer system. Efficiency varies depending on which gear, is used, with the direct-drive mode having less losses. Sheldon Brown discusses this some, I think, so there may be resistance issues even when applying power for some internal gear hubs. Another concern of internal gear hubs is maintenance and repair. They are quite reliable, but if they do require repair, it can be more complex than simply replacing/adjusting a front derailer... Some older gear hub designs had failure modes that rendered the bike unridable. My BikeE rear hub has given many years and thousands of miles of trouble-free service. It can be a pain to readjust the shifting after removing the rear wheel, but I've gotten somewhat better at it with practice. Jon Meinecke   Date: 21 Feb 2006 03:07:49 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Rich ? wrote: > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > Dave Larrington wrote: > > > >>>Keep in mind that the aforementioned forum is moderated (i.e. > >>>censored). > >> > >>Only to keep the monkeys out. > > > > Although often obnoxious, the "Monkeys" are sometimes the only ones > > who say what needs to be said. The court jester's function was more > > than mere entertainment. > > Spoken like a true monkey. Well, I do live in Chicagoland and I have a couple of lowracers... ;) -- J. Sunset   Date: 21 Feb 2006 01:47:21 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Rich wrote: > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > Dave Larrington wrote: > > > >>>Keep in mind that the aforementioned forum is moderated (i.e. > >>>censored). > >> > >>Only to keep the monkeys out. > > > > Although often obnoxious, the "Monkeys" are sometimes the only ones > > who say what needs to be said. The court jester's function was more > > than mere entertainment. > > Spoken like a true monkey. Hehe...I have to agree with Tom on this one. The British Parliament is certainly a lot more interesting to watch than our Congress! Oddly enough, my tolerance only applies to usenet and other such fora for debates and/or informational exchange. I don't like even seeing ghetto types in my neighborhood...what's with these fools wearing earrings and Aunt Jemima do-rags? Worst of all is seeing all the middle-aged "cool daddies"...especially if they're white! Unfortunately we can't killfile -- or just plain kill -- these eyesores and eyebores, and in NYC, they're really everywhere. I guess I myself don't mind crap on usenet since I can choose to ignore them, whereas crap on TV or out there in the world, in real life, you have to deal with and so are very frustrating. Which is another reason I love biking -- nothing like being stuck on a bus or train with ghetto monkeys. Usenet monkeys are at least fun at times. Ooo ooo aah ahh!   Date: 20 Feb 2006 17:57:25 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Dave Larrington wrote: > In article <1140398455.322045.307870@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman (sunsetss0003@yahoo.com) wrote: > > > Keep in mind that the aforementioned forum is moderated (i.e. > > censored). > > Only to keep the monkeys out. Without the knowledge of all the actions of the BROL moderators, this statement can not be proven. Although often obnoxious, the "Monkeys" are sometimes the only ones who say what needs to be said. The court jester's function was more than mere entertainment. -- Tom Sherman - Post Free or Die!     Date: 20 Feb 2006 22:51:41 From: Rich Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > Dave Larrington wrote: > >>>Keep in mind that the aforementioned forum is moderated (i.e. >>>censored). >> >>Only to keep the monkeys out. > > Although often obnoxious, the "Monkeys" are sometimes the only ones > who say what needs to be said. The court jester's function was more > than mere entertainment. Spoken like a true monkey.   Date: 20 Feb 2006 17:54:07 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: bentirderonline [was: Any of You Do Trikes] Jon Meinecke wrote: > [newsgroups trimmed] > > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote > > Rich ? wrote: > >> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > >> > Joelw135 wrote: > >> >>http://www.bentrideronline.com/ in the speciality listing there are > >> >>many trike users. Ask your question there. > >> > > >> > Keep in mind that the aforementioned forum is moderated > > The quality of moderation is the key. bentrideronline is a private > enterprise, but in my experience, it provides a decent perspective > in news articles and reviews. Their forums seem to offer civil > discussion within the bounds of moderation. > > There are many other forums that offer otherwise... > > Others may calibrate differently. > > >> > [bentrideronline forums moderated] (i.e. censored). > > Then by that measure, so too, censored are the New York Times, > Fox News, ABC, NPR, etc... All of these, and bentrideronline, > of course, lack the official standing and scope of control for > actual censorship of ideas to obtain. > > >> [Rich wrote] > >> Which keeps the rif-raf out and makes it an excellent place to get > >> actual information on trikes. > > > > Ignore what I wrote at your peril. > > Certainly, know the characteristics of the medium, but in this > case, *peril*? > > People often mistake USENET newsgroups as sources > for information. Trust the "information" here, at your peril, > indeed! It is possible for an intelligent and informed person to sort the wheat from the chaff, and with some research the general credibility of any regular Usenet poster can be determined with a suitable level of accuracy. On a moderated/censored forum, a non-moderator does not know what has been suppressed, and furthermore, no one knows what has been self-censored out of the fear of being banned from the forum. > > If ya can't stand the heat... > > A properly designed kitchen, used cooperatively, can accommodate > collaboration of quite a few chefs without overheating. Usenet is exactly that, for the intelligent reader with proper analytical skills. -- Tom Sherman - Post Free or Die!     Date: 21 Feb 2006 16:23:33 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: bentirderonline [was: Any of You Do Trikes] "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1140486847.792652.125510@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... [...] > It is possible for an intelligent and informed person to sort the wheat > from the chaff, and with some research the general credibility of any > regular Usenet poster can be determined with a suitable level of > accuracy. You bet! I determined early on that Mr. Sherman was OK on recumbent topics and a total idiot on most every other subject under the sun. Same goes for Mr. Meinecke. Once you have got this sorted out, you can indeed separate the wheat from the chaff. > On a moderated/censored forum, a non-moderator does not know what has > been suppressed, and furthermore, no one knows what has been > self-censored out of the fear of being banned from the forum. The main thing a moderated forum will do is keep all the idiots, morons and imbeciles away. I think 99% of mankind would prefer it that way. It is only a few of us who want to play games on USENET. I have said this before and I will now say it again. Anyone who comes to USENET for any reason other than to be entertained and amused is a blooming idiot. Mr. Sherman and Mr. Meinecke think they can provide instruction to the rest of us dumbbells, but all they are doing is indulging their egos, the same as I. But I am having more fun than they are. That, incidentally, is why I am so Great and why they are such dwarfs! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota PS. Can anyone tell me why USENET should be capitalized as Mr. Meinecke does it?     Date: 21 Feb 2006 07:09:38 From: Jon Meinecke Subject: Re: bentirderonline [was: Any of You Do Trikes] "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote > Jon Meinecke wrote: >> >> People often mistake USENET newsgroups as sources >> for information. Trust the "information" here, at your peril, >> indeed! > > It is possible for an intelligent and informed person to sort the wheat > from the chaff, and with some research the general credibility of any > regular Usenet poster can be determined with a suitable level of > accuracy. USENET newsgroups are communities. They vary widely in content and reliability and inherently dubious as reliable information sources. An expectation that ARBR or any newsgroup represents all views or a meritocracy of free ideas is not realistic. Most everyone here "self censors", and participation is clearly self selected. Some choose to post not at all, anymore or ever,-- not because their opinions are uninformed or credibility questionable. > On a moderated/censored forum, a non-moderator does not know what > has been suppressed, and furthermore, no one knows what has been > self-censored out of the fear of being banned from the forum. Once again, the quality and integrity of the moderation is key,-- the general credibility, as you say. If one understands the rules and trusts their implementation, then the content of moderated forums (which includes most every medium) can be calibrated. >> A properly designed kitchen, used cooperatively, can accommodate >> collaboration of quite a few chefs without overheating. > > Usenet is exactly that, for the intelligent reader with proper > analytical skills. USENET, indeed, like the kitchen is what you/we make it and make in it. There are moderated and self-moderate USENET groups. There are groups where flames, vulgar, obscene and abusive trolling is the norm. There are many groups in the middle. To presume that people who choose to participate in other forums rather than USENET and ARBR, do so mainly for heat avoidance, ignores other and more credible, intelligent reasons. Be careful of the fallacy of circumstantial ad hominem. Jon Meinecke       Date: 21 Feb 2006 16:57:36 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: bentirderonline [was: Any of You Do Trikes] "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@none.non > wrote in message news:43fb0ffc$0$8225$6d36acad@taz.nntpserver.com... > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote >> Jon Meinecke wrote: >>> >>> People often mistake USENET newsgroups as sources >>> for information. Trust the "information" here, at your peril, >>> indeed! >> >> It is possible for an intelligent and informed person to sort the wheat >> from the chaff, and with some research the general credibility of any >> regular Usenet poster can be determined with a suitable level of >> accuracy. > > USENET newsgroups are communities. They vary widely in content > and reliability and inherently dubious as reliable information sources. > An expectation that ARBR or any newsgroup represents all views or a > meritocracy of free ideas is not realistic. Most everyone here > "self censors", and participation is clearly self selected. Some > choose to post not at all, anymore or ever,-- not because their > opinions are uninformed or credibility questionable. I agree totally with Mr. Meinecke on the above statement. Ed Gin proved once and for all that newsgroups without any exceptions are for idiots, scoundrels and criminals. This was something that Mr. Meinecke could do absolutely nothing about except commiserate on it. One wonders what Mr. Meinecke is still doing here on ARBR other than honoring us with his august presence. Not happy on BROL? >> On a moderated/censored forum, a non-moderator does not know what >> has been suppressed, and furthermore, no one knows what has been >> self-censored out of the fear of being banned from the forum. > > Once again, the quality and integrity of the moderation is key,-- > the general credibility, as you say. If one understands the rules > and trusts their implementation, then the content of moderated > forums (which includes most every medium) can be calibrated. I would not be caught dead on BROL because Mr. Ball, who owns the forum, is a liberal nut and thinks that conservatives should not be posting to cycling groups. But hey, if you are a liberal nut you will be welcome there. Apparently words like quality and integrity can mean anything you want them to mean. Mr. Ball has absolutely no credibility with me. I have calibrated him right out of existence. >>> A properly designed kitchen, used cooperatively, can accommodate >>> collaboration of quite a few chefs without overheating. >> >> Usenet is exactly that, for the intelligent reader with proper >> analytical skills. > > USENET, indeed, like the kitchen is what you/we make it and > make in it. There are moderated and self-moderate USENET > groups. There are groups where flames, vulgar, obscene and > abusive trolling is the norm. There are many groups in the > middle. Where the hell was Mr. Meinecke when this group was being destroyed by Ed Gin. He was hiding under the bed. I frankly do not want to hear what this coward has to say about anything. He is lower than a skunk and is a weasel besides. Why the hell doesn't he go to BROL and stay there with all the other liberal scum bags. Old Cletus Lee of Texas will welcome him to the club. > To presume that people who choose to participate in other forums > rather than USENET and ARBR, do so mainly for heat avoidance, > ignores other and more credible, intelligent reasons. Be careful > of the fallacy of circumstantial ad hominem. All Mr. Meinecke ever knows what to do when he encounters anyone with whom he disagrees is to kill file the poor slob. I myself have never recovered from this affront to my honor and dignity. I propose pistols at dawn down by the riverside. Mr. Sherman can be your second and I will dragoon some drunken yahoo from the local bar to be my second. Mr. Meineke will have to come to SW Minnesota as I am no longer up for any travel. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 20 Feb 2006 17:24:59 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1140372177.583000.272600@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Hey, trikes do look like lotsa fun! More expensive, hmm. Anyone in > NYC (or some other metro area) do trikes? Besides poor Jeff Grippe > (hope all is well). > poor Jeff Grippe is planning a comeback and is getting better slowly. Seriously, I have ridden my Tricruiser (the very same one that got hit) up the West Side Bike Trail and it was a blast. I encountered many other recumbents but no other trikes on that day. I don't imagine that MetroNorth would allow me to take a trike on the train and lugging it in and out of the subway would be a real pain. But why would you need the subway if you have the trike? I was able to get into Westchester and the Bronx by going over the Broadway Bridge. You can get to Queens over the 59th Street Bridge and Brooklyn over the Brooklyn Bridge. I have always felt safer on a trike because I'm so much bigger and tend to get more attention from drivers. On the other hand, based upon my experiences I wouldn't use my feelings about the matter as a guide. Obviously I was mistaken. I would feel safe in Manhattan only when sticking to bike paths that are physically separated from automobile traffic. On the day I came home from the hospital, my TA (Transportations Alternatives) members welcome kit was waiting for me with other unopened mail. The cover article of my first issue of the magazine was about the rising number of bicyclists that were killed by automobiles. Wasn't that a coincidence? For the future, I plan on riding a Leitra and taking only less traveled roads (which interestingly enough will keep me off the official bike route completely). The Leitra will be lit up like a Christmas tree when I ride at night (which will be rare I hope). Jeff   Date: 20 Feb 2006 12:15:04 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Peter Clinch wrote: > > > Maybe I'm reading that a different way than you intended... I saw it as > "appeal more to women than men", where maybe you meant "trikes appeal to > women more than bikes". Yes. > My sample base of lady 'benters is far too > small It's okay; you can whisper -- I won't tell! > to draw conclusions from viz bikes vs. trikes, but there certainly > isn't any obvious shortage of men on trikes. I've yet to see one out on the streets of NYC, and have only seen 'bents on about three or four occasions in twenty-five years! > Pete. > -- > Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer > Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital > Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK > net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/     Date: 06 Mar 2006 21:09:16 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ who? wrote: > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > > > > > Please do not post attachments to Usenet unless it is to a binary > > group. Both alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent and rec.bicycles.misc are text > > groups. > > Oh, now you believe in "censorship"?... This is so non-responsive I assume the "shy person" [1] is being flippant. [1] To use a Sheldon Brownism. -- Tom Sherman       Date: 07 Mar 2006 11:09:08 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141708156.885517.118310@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > NYC XYZ who? wrote: > >> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >> > >> > >> > Please do not post attachments to Usenet unless it is to a binary >> > group. Both alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent and rec.bicycles.misc are text >> > groups. >> >> Oh, now you believe in "censorship"?... > > This is so non-responsive I assume the "shy person" [1] is being > flippant. > > [1] To use a Sheldon Brownism. Yes, flippancy is his response to nearly everything. I won't respond to flippancy because it is too easy to do. To merit a response from the Great Ed Dolan you have to say something. By the way, Mr. Sherman is being unusually flippant these days as well. By doing that he is letting us know that he is still here, but I miss his more substantive posts of yore. After all, any idiot can be flippant. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 05 Mar 2006 07:11:16 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Oh, now you believe in "censorship"? I had tried posting Chinese again to annoy The Grate One, but tat time I couldn't 'cause it was considered "binary" by googlegroups, The Death of Usenet (TM). As anyone knows who knows any Chinese, it's a lunar base-six culture ferchrissake. Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > > Please do not post attachments to Usenet unless it is to a binary > group. Both alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent and rec.bicycles.misc are text > groups. > > Your helpful net nanny, > > -- > Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain       Date: 05 Mar 2006 19:23:01 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141571476.628361.159440@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > Oh, now you believe in "censorship"? > > I had tried posting Chinese again to annoy The Grate One, but tat time > I couldn't 'cause it was considered "binary" by googlegroups, The Death > of Usenet (TM). As anyone knows who knows any Chinese, it's a lunar > base-six culture ferchrissake. > > > > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >> >> >> Please do not post attachments to Usenet unless it is to a binary >> group. Both alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent and rec.bicycles.misc are text >> groups. >> >> Your helpful net nanny, >> >> -- >> Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain > Are you Chinese as in someone who can actually speak and read Chinese? I haven't had a real Chinese friend or acquaintance in years. I'll buy lunch in Chinatown if you'll take to one of those places where there are no English menus and they don't tend to let in "Round Eyes" unescorted. Jeff         Date: 05 Mar 2006 21:10:41 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:120n04vhr3s5911@news.supernews.com... [...] > Are you Chinese as in someone who can actually speak and read Chinese? I > haven't had a real Chinese friend or acquaintance in years. I'll buy lunch > in Chinatown if you'll take to one of those places where there are no > English menus and they don't tend to let in "Round Eyes" unescorted. > > Jeff Jeff, NYC is a work of art (bad art) and I would advise you to stay the hell away from him. He is scum pure and simple. I know whereof I speak, having known this type in the Navy. Just when you think you have plumbed the depths, they reveal ever new depths to their loathsomeness. Finally, you discover it is bottomless. You meet up with this asshole at your peril. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 05 Mar 2006 11:43:41 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141571476.628361.159440@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... All top posters are idiots. Why even bother with them? Screw them! > Oh, now you believe in "censorship"? > > I had tried posting Chinese again to annoy The Grate One, but tat time > I couldn't 'cause it was considered "binary" by googlegroups, The Death > of Usenet (TM). As anyone knows who knows any Chinese, it's a lunar > base-six culture ferchrissake. You could post in Sanskrit and it wouldn't matter to me because I have determined that you never know what the hell you are talking about no matter the language. No one here knows any Chinese nor do we want to know it anymore than we want to know Sanskrit. What an idiot! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >> >> >> Please do not post attachments to Usenet unless it is to a binary >> group. Both alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent and rec.bicycles.misc are text >> groups. >> >> Your helpful net nanny, >> >> -- >> Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain >     Date: 05 Mar 2006 07:05:52 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > But more intelligently than you. What a dumb thing to say. > I would not want to be a girlie man myself, but that is up to you. How very precious your are with yourself. Sounds princessy to me. > I know when to be light and when to be heavy. You don't. But I don't care. And you need to lighten up. > Nonsense, all you do is kid, but less intelligently than me. You can have all the rotten tomatoes you want. > That should be "terra incognita". Like I said, "incogita" in your case! > Not really. China has been backward like forever. No nation in the world has > known famines like China has, not even India. Success does not equate with > numbers. Like I said, go read the late Oxford don Joseph Needham's unfinished elven-volume "Science and Civilization in Ancient China." For that matter, do some research on the Enlightenment; China was held as an example of an enlightened state by many, such as Leibnitz. As for famines, five thousand years will see all kinds of disaster. You obviously don't run long-distance. > When you examine closely what is in oriental food, you realize they will eat > anything. A billion most certainly can be wrong as eating anything beats > eating nothing and starving to death. It's all a matter of culture and what you're used to. As a 'bent rider, you ought to know this. All cuisines have "poor people food" which has become enconsced as delicacies. Frankly, I'd take eating anything over *drinking* anything any day. > Meaning absolutely nothing of course, but that is pretty much what you > amount to all the time. Imbecile, please don't die without learning that there are organisms, and not all microscopic, which live in ocean depths and under Antartic ice with no sunlight at all. > You are wasting your life in fantasy. Too bad, there are others who are not > similarly wasting their lives. They will get ahead of you and you will end > up in the toilet. But maybe that is where you belong. Wow, talk about projecting! Goodness, a walking textbook of Jungian psychology you are. > A Jew who does not acknowledge his religion and his heritage is human scum. > I knew a few of your type when I was last in NY many years ago and I didn't > like them any better then either. In fact, the only Jews I have ever liked > were those who freely acknowledged their religion, their heritage and their > loyalty to both. They were proud of who they were. Many of them wore those > funny little caps on their heads. Like you, some of them were into chasing > skirts, but they at least had some shame about it. Strip a man of his shame > and you have nothing left but an ape-man, a parody of a human being. Kiss me, I'm Irish. > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 05 Mar 2006 11:23:24 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141571152.522756.176920@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> Not really. China has been backward like forever. No nation in the world >> has >> known famines like China has, not even India. Success does not equate >> with >> numbers. > > Like I said, go read the late Oxford don Joseph Needham's unfinished > elven-volume "Science and Civilization in Ancient China." For that > matter, do some research on the Enlightenment; China was held as an > example of an enlightened state by many, such as Leibnitz. China has been a mess like forever. If you think China was so wonderful, why didn't you stay there and spare the rest of us your idiocies. [...] > Imbecile, please don't die without learning that there are organisms, > and not all microscopic, which live in ocean depths and under Antartic > ice with no sunlight at all. Nope, not enough sunlight and there would be no life on earth. Elementary my dear Watson! [...] >> A Jew who does not acknowledge his religion and his heritage is human >> scum. >> I knew a few of your type when I was last in NY many years ago and I >> didn't >> like them any better then either. In fact, the only Jews I have ever >> liked >> were those who freely acknowledged their religion, their heritage and >> their >> loyalty to both. They were proud of who they were. Many of them wore >> those >> funny little caps on their heads. Like you, some of them were into >> chasing >> skirts, but they at least had some shame about it. Strip a man of his >> shame >> and you have nothing left but an ape-man, a parody of a human being. > > Kiss me, I'm Irish. The entire group now knows what you are thanks to me. But that is what I am here for, to expose frauds like yourself. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 28 Feb 2006 13:01:31 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > You are the one who is concentrated on that particular subject, not me. I think the record -- in your case, a broken one -- speaks for itself. > However, what difference does it make whether it is ass and tits or tits and > ass. A woman seems more aesthetically pleasing if she's bottom heavy, don't you think? > Let's face it, some are more into one than the other. Are you an ass > man or a tits man? This newsgroup needs to know! For someone who's been following my ass all over the place, I'd think you'd know by now. > Speaking of Freud, there was another asshole who was never right about > anything in his life. Goodness! where does that leave your wikipedia entry, then? > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 28 Feb 2006 10:54:36 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Mmmm...sluts...I like.... Edward Dolan wrote: > > > NYC - You are an asshole! > > I will make short work of any sluts you bring to this newsgroup. Count on > it! And I will know how to characterize you too.     Date: 27 Feb 2006 20:59:53 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > Mutations are just that - mutations, and almost all of them are harmful. > Only those every few which are helpful get continued. It is nature's way of > experimenting with what might work even better than what currently works. > But like I said, almost all mutations are harmful and so they do not get > continued. Nature has never yet endorsed homo behavior and it never will. Whatever. I don't really care, not my cup of tea, I just hope they shut up about AIDS research already. And black women! Gimme a break -- I wished someone had the balls to tell gwen ifill during the VP Debates to shut the fuck up about black women having the highest rate of AIDS in the US...like how the fuck is that a national issue, frankly? I'm sorry, but too many of the wrong people are reproducing, and bennett was right in saying you could halve your crime by aborting all black babies (almost wipe out crime if you abort all hispanic babies, too).... > Has it ever occurred to anyone but me that AIDS may be nature's way of > telling us that it does not want homos. Or any kind of anal sex either for > that matter. That is because the anus is an exit, not an entrance. Wayne > Leggett, the Poet of PooP of ARBR, is confused about this, but what does he > know. Hells Bells, he is confused about most things under the sun. Any oriface in a woman is fair game for a probe. Too bad I can't do her ears. Some women have very beautiful ears, ever notice? > A healthy society will not tolerate much in the way of homosexual behavior > because it is not helpful. However, entire societies can become pathologic, > at which point they are inevitably replaced by more vigorous societies. You're mixing up cause and correlation. You should read "Innumeracy" in addition to watching National Geographic. > There is no design to anything under the sun. It is simply what works and > what doesn't work. It is all experimentation from beginning to end. If homo > behavior worked it would have been in place, but it never has been. It has > always been a deviation and considered pathological by every society that > ever existed. Some few societies have made a place for it provided it does > not become dominant. Dude, why are you even arguing about this? That's so...gay. > There is no biologic imperative relating to homos in the care of siblings > other than the parents involved and the society involved. The more help the better. Instead of being busy with their own offspring, homos help get their siblings'...and since siblings share 50% of their genes, well, it's practically doing themselves an evolutionary favor (which explains how gay behavior is passed on genetically [loaded statement, I know] despite their not actually reproducing themselves). > Society may decide > to give homos something to do to help out but nature is not involved in > this. That would be anthropomorphizing and trying to find a design where > none exists. You're the one anthropromorphinzing, not me. I keep saying that it's just chance. But why it tends to happen rather regularly suggests some kind of species-wide benefit to the behavior. > Sex is all about reproduction and nothing else. If it deviates from that, > then that is just what it is - a deviation and nothing else. Remember that > the next time you are ogling the girls. Girls = babies = society = work > until you drop. Now you already know more than most poor slobs will ever > know. No charge - I give this good advice out of the largess of my heart. Heh heh...you sound like these neocon chickenhawks waving others off to war...girls do not equal babies et al. It's the 21st Century, man. The same way you do not always eat for sustenance, but simply for fun, sex and girls are just another of life's many pleasures. 'Bents are another. I am so happy, you don't know. What an incredibly comfy ride that was, on the HP Velp SMGTe! No more "exercise" per se...really kick back and enjoy the view! Can't wait to get the HP Velo Spirit CLWB for a guest bike for chicks sometime this summer! Looks cute, and looks like another comfy bike, too. It probably won't even matter so much where I go, actually, since wherever I go it will be as if I'm biking there for the first time -- and it would be, in point of fact, since to ride a 'bent is to rediscover bicycling all over again! I can't wait to see where this niche goes in the years to come...surely it will only get more and more popular! > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 28 Feb 2006 08:26:05 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> >>Mutations are just that - mutations, and almost all of them are harmful. >>Only those every few which are helpful get continued. It is nature's way of >>experimenting with what might work even better than what currently works. >>But like I said, almost all mutations are harmful and so they do not get >>continued. Nature has never yet endorsed homo behavior and it never will. > > > Whatever. I don't really care, not my cup of tea, I just hope they > shut up about AIDS research already. And black women! Gimme a break > -- I wished someone had the balls to tell gwen ifill during the VP > Debates to shut the fuck up about black women having the highest rate > of AIDS in the US...like how the fuck is that a national issue, > frankly? I'm sorry, but too many of the wrong people are reproducing, > and bennett was right in saying you could halve your crime by aborting > all black babies (almost wipe out crime if you abort all hispanic > babies, too).... Sad to say but true. Evolution has come to a screeching halt in this country with the advent of social welfare programs paying the lowest dregs of the race to have more babies of the same stock. Not just black, but white, especially Mexicans, and any one else who can work the system. > > >>Has it ever occurred to anyone but me that AIDS may be nature's way of >>telling us that it does not want homos. Or any kind of anal sex either for >>that matter. That is because the anus is an exit, not an entrance. Wayne >>Leggett, the Poet of PooP of ARBR, is confused about this, but what does he >>know. Hells Bells, he is confused about most things under the sun. AIDs and homos may be the answer to overpopulation. > > > Any oriface in a woman is fair game for a probe. Too bad I can't do > her ears. Some women have very beautiful ears, ever notice? Yeah, many of my women have liked it wherever, but I couldn't concieve of willingly doing it with a man....wretch, yuuuch, lose lunch and dinner. > > >>A healthy society will not tolerate much in the way of homosexual behavior >>because it is not helpful. However, entire societies can become pathologic, >>at which point they are inevitably replaced by more vigorous societies. Are these Christian values, such as overpopulate the earth until it revolts with a plague to make AIDs, SARs, and Ebola look tame? With daily airline travel all over the planet a serious plague with a rapid spread and a two week incubation period could wipe out 95% or more or the human race virtually overnight. > > > You're mixing up cause and correlation. You should read "Innumeracy" > in addition to watching National Geographic. > > >>There is no design to anything under the sun. It is simply what works and >>what doesn't work. It is all experimentation from beginning to end. If homo >>behavior worked it would have been in place, but it never has been. It has >>always been a deviation and considered pathological by every society that >>ever existed. Some few societies have made a place for it provided it does >>not become dominant. Nation Geographic has shown that even some Chimpanzees turn homo with lack of the opposite sex so it is not just people. > > > Dude, why are you even arguing about this? That's so...gay. > > >>There is no biologic imperative relating to homos in the care of siblings >>other than the parents involved and the society involved. > > > The more help the better. Instead of being busy with their own > offspring, homos help get their siblings'...and since siblings share > 50% of their genes, well, it's practically doing themselves an > evolutionary favor (which explains how gay behavior is passed on > genetically [loaded statement, I know] despite their not actually > reproducing themselves). Not entirely true as many homo couples adopt and the poor kid has to grow up with 2 mommies or 2 daddies. What do you tell the kid when he/she asks "What's a daddie?". > > >>Society may decide >>to give homos something to do to help out but nature is not involved in >>this. That would be anthropomorphizing and trying to find a design where >>none exists. > > > You're the one anthropromorphinzing, not me. I keep saying that it's > just chance. But why it tends to happen rather regularly suggests some > kind of species-wide benefit to the behavior. > > >>Sex is all about reproduction and nothing else. If it deviates from that, >>then that is just what it is - a deviation and nothing else. Remember that >>the next time you are ogling the girls. Girls = babies = society = work >>until you drop. Now you already know more than most poor slobs will ever >>know. No charge - I give this good advice out of the largess of my heart. That is nature's imperative, to survive until breeding age and then pass your genes along. If you don't do that you are a Darwinian failure. > > > Heh heh...you sound like these neocon chickenhawks waving others off to > war...girls do not equal babies et al. It's the 21st Century, man. > The same way you do not always eat for sustenance, but simply for fun, > sex and girls are just another of life's many pleasures. > > 'Bents are another. I am so happy, you don't know. What an incredibly > comfy ride that was, on the HP Velp SMGTe! No more "exercise" per > se...really kick back and enjoy the view! Can't wait to get the HP > Velo Spirit CLWB for a guest bike for chicks sometime this summer! > Looks cute, and looks like another comfy bike, too. It probably won't > even matter so much where I go, actually, since wherever I go it will > be as if I'm biking there for the first time -- and it would be, in > point of fact, since to ride a 'bent is to rediscover bicycling all > over again! I can't wait to see where this niche goes in the years to > come...surely it will only get more and more popular! > > >>Regards, >> >>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >>aka >>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > That's all for me on this silly homo debate. Ed Dolan the What?????? Saint (snicker...), heh. Bill         Date: 28 Feb 2006 02:45:01 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Bill Baka" <LARRYS707@SBCGLOBAL.NET > wrote in message news:xOTMf.16334$rL5.5616@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... >> Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >>>Sex is all about reproduction and nothing else. If it deviates from that, >>>then that is just what it is - a deviation and nothing else. Remember >>>that >>>the next time you are ogling the girls. Girls = babies = society = work >>>until you drop. Now you already know more than most poor slobs will ever >>>know. No charge - I give this good advice out of the largess of my heart. > > That is nature's imperative, to survive until breeding age and then pass > your genes along. If you don't do that you are a Darwinian failure. Yes, Bill is quite right about this. However, being a failure individually is not the same thing as causing the species to fail. Not everyone has to reproduce when there are already too many of us. Any given individual would only have to worry about reproduction if and when he thought his species (or his particular group to which he belonged) was failing to insure its own survival. But even so too many dumb people are reproducing and not enough st people are. That can not be good for the future of the human race. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 28 Feb 2006 00:27:43 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141102793.511947.317540@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> Mutations are just that - mutations, and almost all of them are harmful. >> Only those every few which are helpful get continued. It is nature's way >> of >> experimenting with what might work even better than what currently works. >> But like I said, almost all mutations are harmful and so they do not get >> continued. Nature has never yet endorsed homo behavior and it never will. > > Whatever. I don't really care, not my cup of tea, I just hope they > shut up about AIDS research already. And black women! Gimme a break > -- I wished someone had the balls to tell gwen ifill during the VP > Debates to shut the fuck up about black women having the highest rate > of AIDS in the US...like how the fuck is that a national issue, > frankly? I'm sorry, but too many of the wrong people are reproducing, > and bennett was right in saying you could halve your crime by aborting > all black babies (almost wipe out crime if you abort all hispanic > babies, too).... I allow no one on this group to get to the right of me. What you say about them is only too true. We would rank right up there with Switzerland if we were not constantly being dragged down by all our colored minorities. They will be the ruination of the US. Demography is destiny. And Mr. Sherman and I are not reproducing. How about you? >> Has it ever occurred to anyone but me that AIDS may be nature's way of >> telling us that it does not want homos. Or any kind of anal sex either >> for >> that matter. That is because the anus is an exit, not an entrance. Wayne >> Leggett, the Poet of PooP of ARBR, is confused about this, but what does >> he >> know. Hells Bells, he is confused about most things under the sun. > > Any oriface in a woman is fair game for a probe. Too bad I can't do > her ears. Some women have very beautiful ears, ever notice? NYC - You are an asshole! >> A healthy society will not tolerate much in the way of homosexual >> behavior >> because it is not helpful. However, entire societies can become >> pathologic, >> at which point they are inevitably replaced by more vigorous societies. > > You're mixing up cause and correlation. You should read "Innumeracy" > in addition to watching National Geographic. NYC - You are an asshole! >> There is no design to anything under the sun. It is simply what works and >> what doesn't work. It is all experimentation from beginning to end. If >> homo >> behavior worked it would have been in place, but it never has been. It >> has >> always been a deviation and considered pathological by every society that >> ever existed. Some few societies have made a place for it provided it >> does >> not become dominant. > > Dude, why are you even arguing about this? That's so...gay. NYC - You are an asshole! >> There is no biologic imperative relating to homos in the care of siblings >> other than the parents involved and the society involved. > > The more help the better. Instead of being busy with their own > offspring, homos help get their siblings'...and since siblings share > 50% of their genes, well, it's practically doing themselves an > evolutionary favor (which explains how gay behavior is passed on > genetically [loaded statement, I know] despite their not actually > reproducing themselves). NYC - You are an asshole! >> Society may decide >> to give homos something to do to help out but nature is not involved in >> this. That would be anthropomorphizing and trying to find a design where >> none exists. > > You're the one anthropromorphinzing, not me. I keep saying that it's > just chance. But why it tends to happen rather regularly suggests some > kind of species-wide benefit to the behavior. It is minuscule. What percentage of the US population do you think are actually homo (born that way) as opposed to how many are acting homo for reasons of their own (not born that way). The statistics on this are all screwed up and no one has a good fix on it. One thing is for sure, nature does not create many homos. It is society that creates all the homos, and sick societies at that. >> Sex is all about reproduction and nothing else. If it deviates from that, >> then that is just what it is - a deviation and nothing else. Remember >> that >> the next time you are ogling the girls. Girls = babies = society = work >> until you drop. Now you already know more than most poor slobs will ever >> know. No charge - I give this good advice out of the largess of my heart. > > Heh heh...you sound like these neocon chickenhawks waving others off to > war...girls do not equal babies et al. It's the 21st Century, man. > The same way you do not always eat for sustenance, but simply for fun, > sex and girls are just another of life's many pleasures. But I am stripping away civilization to get back to the essentials. It is only the essentials that interest me. Everything else that you concern yourself with is just icing on the cake. > 'Bents are another. I am so happy, you don't know. What an incredibly > comfy ride that was, on the HP Velp SMGTe! No more "exercise" per > se...really kick back and enjoy the view! Can't wait to get the HP > Velo Spirit CLWB for a guest bike for chicks sometime this summer! > Looks cute, and looks like another comfy bike, too. It probably won't > even matter so much where I go, actually, since wherever I go it will > be as if I'm biking there for the first time -- and it would be, in > point of fact, since to ride a 'bent is to rediscover bicycling all > over again! I can't wait to see where this niche goes in the years to > come...surely it will only get more and more popular! Nope, recumbents will NEVER be popular. If they were ever going to be popular, they would have been so by now. After all, they have been around since the beginning. Please, do not try to reinvent the wheel. It is a waste of time and effort and you will just end up back where you started. Try to learn from the experience of others. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 20 Feb 2006 15:13:59 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1140466504.697543.97790@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Peter Clinch wrote: [...] >> to draw conclusions from viz bikes vs. trikes, but there certainly >> isn't any obvious shortage of men on trikes. > > I've yet to see one out on the streets of NYC, and have only seen > 'bents on about three or four occasions in twenty-five years! Yes, those nuts in the UK are always telling us how popular bikes are over there in their tiny kingdom by the sea. However, like you, I hardly ever see anyone on bikes, let alone recumbent bikes - and recumbent trikes are extremely rare. I have only seen a few in action in my lifetime. In fact, I have seen more sitting in store windows than I have ever seen on the road. One of the reasons for this is because they are so damn expensive. If they ever get the price down to something reasonable, it is possible that we will see more of them in the future because there is a fun factor that is exclusive to them. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 20 Feb 2006 12:11:30 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Bill Baka wrote: > > Interesting observation. The girls I know from about 5 up want 2 wheels > to keep up with the boys and I had to teach some of them how to break > the training wheel habit to ride with me and my grandkids. Over 16 is > another story since cars are the cool thing. Cars are fun on an open road, but otherwise just way too much hassle. I honestly never did see the appeal. Barely do, still. I consider it a convenience, not a "lifestyle" like the bicycle is. Besides, I think cars are like television -- quite evil, insofar as they hasten the corruption of character with certain people. > Some of the 18 year olds go > with me on the exercise trips and every female I know over 50 seems to > be piloting one of those powered scooter chairs. There seems to be a > mindset around here that 50 is the time to start acting old and quitting > any real physical activity, but why??? Nothing betrays the inanity of our human race than how many give up the activities that actually help keep them young or younger and settle instead for obsessions which help give them the mere appearance of youth, like Rogain, Viagra, or Botox. > Riding with a bunch of 13 to 18 > year olds, mostly girls, mostly talking, really keeps me up on the > latest gossip, er, happenings. The boys tend not to ride but would > rather pose while throwing a football. Group rides are not all out > training but accumulating 30 miles in a day is still better than none. > Bill I'm most likely hanging around the proverbial wrong crowd, but the girls I know have barely the mildest of curiosity in cycling, and then basically because I'm into it myself.... Oh, BTW, I'm a sexist so I don't often distinguish "girls" and "women"...what you say about "female kids" is pretty interesting, and confirms the finding that sports and physical activity make for more independent and trouble-free females. I'm only a sexist because most females easily conform to stereotypes, but I'm all for female empowerment so that I can finally find both tits and wits, for a change! Anyway, I seem to find the serious, but non-racing, cyclists to be older folks...sheesh....   Date: 20 Feb 2006 09:25:37 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? GaryG wrote: > > > Are those "girls" about 5 years old? Or, are they closer to 85? Those seem > to be the typical ages for females interested in tricycles. > > GG That too! But why did you say "hell no" so vociferously for?     Date: 21 Feb 2006 21:11:39 From: GaryG Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1140456337.277415.30380@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > GaryG wrote: > > > > > > Are those "girls" about 5 years old? Or, are they closer to 85? Those seem > > to be the typical ages for females interested in tricycles. > > > > GG > > > That too! > > But why did you say "hell no" so vociferously for? > Because I hope to never ride a tricycle. Why would I want to ride something that's heavy and slow, when a 2-wheeled bike is so much faster, and more fun? GG       Date: 22 Feb 2006 13:45:29 From: Peter Clinch Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? GaryG wrote: > Because I hope to never ride a tricycle. > > Why would I want to ride something that's heavy and slow, when a 2-wheeled > bike is so much faster, and more fun? How do you know it's more fun if you haven't been on a trike? Now, personally I prefer bikes too for the most part, but slamming one's thigh into icy tarmac on a frosty morning is very distinctly *not* fun, but not really an issue on a trike. The fastest time set for the UK's Land's End to John O' Groats end to route was set on a trike: fast and fun enough for you? And until you've done right angle handbrake turns on a trike with left/right brakes and the rider over the paired wheels I wouldn't make /too/ many assumption that speed is all there is to fun. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/       Date: 22 Feb 2006 12:22:40 From: Dave Larrington Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? In article <boSKf.1429$gZ1.1390@fe04.lga >, GaryG (sorrynoemail@NOSPAMX.com) wrote: > "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1140456337.277415.30380@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > GaryG wrote: > > > > > > > > > Are those "girls" about 5 years old? Or, are they closer to 85? Those > seem > > > to be the typical ages for females interested in tricycles. > > > > > > GG > > > > > > That too! > > > > But why did you say "hell no" so vociferously for? > > > > Because I hope to never ride a tricycle. > > Why would I want to ride something that's heavy and slow, when a 2-wheeled > bike is so much faster, and more fun? Just wait until you come round a downhill corner at 70 km/h and find the road ahead covered in Skog(tm). That extra wheel suddenly becomes /very/ attractive. -- Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ > Electricity comes from other planets.       Date: 21 Feb 2006 23:05:47 From: Rich Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? GaryG wrote: > Because I hope to never ride a tricycle. > > Why would I want to ride something that's heavy and slow, when a 2-wheeled > bike is so much faster, and more fun? I think most of those who've ridden both would say the trike is more fun. Rich     Date: 20 Feb 2006 19:38:54 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > GaryG wrote: > >> >>Are those "girls" about 5 years old? Or, are they closer to 85? Those seem >>to be the typical ages for females interested in tricycles. >> >>GG > > > > That too! > > But why did you say "hell no" so vociferously for? > Interesting observation. The girls I know from about 5 up want 2 wheels to keep up with the boys and I had to teach some of them how to break the training wheel habit to ride with me and my grandkids. Over 16 is another story since cars are the cool thing. Some of the 18 year olds go with me on the exercise trips and every female I know over 50 seems to be piloting one of those powered scooter chairs. There seems to be a mindset around here that 50 is the time to start acting old and quitting any real physical activity, but why??? Riding with a bunch of 13 to 18 year olds, mostly girls, mostly talking, really keeps me up on the latest gossip, er, happenings. The boys tend not to ride but would rather pose while throwing a football. Group rides are not all out training but accumulating 30 miles in a day is still better than none. Bill   Date: 20 Feb 2006 02:25:36 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Actually, I could almost swear I read that in Velovision, a UK mag, that trikes appeal/sell more to females! Peter Clinch wrote: > > <SNIP> > > > Judging from what I see in the UK that's not the case. > > Pete. > -- > Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer > Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital > Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK > net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/     Date: 05 Mar 2006 12:57:19 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Tits and wits is such a rare combination, I'm settling just for the t&a. If I want brains, I'll open a book. Bill Baka wrote: > > > I am definitely not just into tits and ass, there must also be a brain > to be of interest, and I find women with small breasts to be much more > fun under the sheets, like they are trying to compensate, not that they > need to. > Bill > > > > Regards, > > > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > aka > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 05 Mar 2006 16:35:38 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141592239.615048.181720@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > Tits and wits is such a rare combination, I'm settling just for the > t&a. If I want brains, I'll open a book. I can see that NYC and I both have a rather dim view of the opposite sex. I do appreciate women for their virtues, which are many, but they should not try to compete with us men in all areas. All this blather about men and women being equal in every respect is just that - nothing but foolish blather. However, NYC should not be into taking advantage of women. If that is what he is doing, then I condemn him for it and I will castigate him for it in front of the entire newsgroup. Sin should never be treated casually or allowed to pass unreked. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > Bill Baka wrote: >> >> >> I am definitely not just into tits and ass, there must also be a brain >> to be of interest, and I find women with small breasts to be much more >> fun under the sheets, like they are trying to compensate, not that they >> need to. >> Bill         Date: 05 Mar 2006 23:05:58 From: Little Meow Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan edolan@iw.net wrote in news:9JadnT99CNJf-pbZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@prairiewave.com: > However, NYC should not be into taking advantage of women. Men only think they are taking advantage of women. The female is the most cunning creature on the face of the earth. Since the world was created, her goal has been to tempt men to their downfall and drain them of their vital fluids.           Date: 05 Mar 2006 20:51:15 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Little Meow" <meow@meow.meow > wrote in message news:977DFA3CAF71A1D0E7FF@127.0.0.1... > Edward Dolan edolan@iw.net wrote in > news:9JadnT99CNJf-pbZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@prairiewave.com: > >> However, NYC should not be into taking advantage of women. > Men only think they are taking advantage of women. > The female is the most cunning creature on the face > of the earth. Since the world was created, her goal > has been to tempt men to their downfall and drain > them of their vital fluids. "Dr. Strangelove" was one of the better movies portraying the Cold War and the Bomb. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota             Date: 06 Mar 2006 03:15:10 From: Little Meow Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan edolan@iw.net wrote in news:IaadnWTRC_k3PpbZ4p2dnA@prairiewave.com: > > "Little Meow" <meow@meow.meow> wrote in message > news:977DFA3CAF71A1D0E7FF@127.0.0.1... >> Edward Dolan edolan@iw.net wrote in >> news:9JadnT99CNJf-pbZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@prairiewave.com: >> >>> However, NYC should not be into taking advantage of women. >> Men only think they are taking advantage of women. >> The female is the most cunning creature on the face >> of the earth. Since the world was created, her goal >> has been to tempt men to their downfall and drain >> them of their vital fluids. > > "Dr. Strangelove" was one of the better movies portraying the Cold War and > the Bomb. > Movie?! I thought it was a documentary, and that we now live in a post-Apocalyptic dystopia, where oil is king and bicyclists must dodge raging cages of steel that carry semi-concious cyborgs with transceivers attached to the sides of their heads by means of a hand.           Date: 05 Mar 2006 19:20:03 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Little Meow" <meow@meow.meow > wrote in message news:977DFA3CAF71A1D0E7FF@127.0.0.1... > Edward Dolan edolan@iw.net wrote in > news:9JadnT99CNJf-pbZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@prairiewave.com: > >> However, NYC should not be into taking advantage of women. > Men only think they are taking advantage of women. > The female is the most cunning creature on the face > of the earth. Since the world was created, her goal > has been to tempt men to their downfall and drain > them of their vital fluids. Oh but what a way to go...sign me up...they don't call it "The Dumb Stick" for nothin'!             Date: 06 Mar 2006 01:32:12 From: Bill Baka Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Jeff Grippe wrote: > "Little Meow" <meow@meow.meow> wrote in message > news:977DFA3CAF71A1D0E7FF@127.0.0.1... > >>Edward Dolan edolan@iw.net wrote in >>news:9JadnT99CNJf-pbZnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@prairiewave.com: >> >> >>>However, NYC should not be into taking advantage of women. >> >>Men only think they are taking advantage of women. >>The female is the most cunning creature on the face >>of the earth. Since the world was created, her goal >>has been to tempt men to their downfall and drain >>them of their vital fluids. > > > Oh but what a way to go...sign me up...they don't call it "The Dumb Stick" > for nothin'! > > Me too. I want to either go out on a bike doing a serious climb or on a woman doing a manly act. The ONLY way to die in bed. Bill Baka     Date: 05 Mar 2006 07:12:30 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? GaryG wrote: > > > LOL...we should all be like you...feeling ashamed of sexuality, afraid of > being a "sinner", and desperately trying to be a "real man". > > Are you sure you're not still in the closet? > > GG Have some sympathy; I think it's to compensate for being made fun of on his 'bent.       Date: 05 Mar 2006 11:35:36 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141571550.041249.310760@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > GaryG wrote: >> >> >> LOL...we should all be like you...feeling ashamed of sexuality, afraid of >> being a "sinner", and desperately trying to be a "real man". >> >> Are you sure you're not still in the closet? >> >> GG > > > Have some sympathy; I think it's to compensate for being made fun of on > his 'bent. I was riding 'bents when it seemed that no one else in the world was. I could care less what anyone thinks of me, on or off a 'bent. That is what being Great is all about. Is GaryG a "real man" because he is sleeping around without being ried? That is what NYC needed to comment on, but since he is doing the same thing himself it would be like the kettle calling the pot black. But ARBR is just chock full of human trash like these two. As you can see, I have my work cut out for me. I am like Hercules cleaning the Augean stables. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 28 Feb 2006 20:21:00 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > ... > That's it -- I'm gonna have to get a digital camera, too and get all > the pretty girls I know to sit on my 'bent and pose! Girls love > getting their pictures taken, they're very flattered. I'll post 'em > here on ARBR!... Please do not post attachments to Usenet unless it is to a binary group. Both alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent and rec.bicycles.misc are text groups. Your helpful net nanny, -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain       Date: 01 Mar 2006 02:30:53 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141186860.423461.27980@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > NYC XYZ wrote: >> ... >> That's it -- I'm gonna have to get a digital camera, too and get all >> the pretty girls I know to sit on my 'bent and pose! Girls love >> getting their pictures taken, they're very flattered. I'll post 'em >> here on ARBR!... > > Please do not post attachments to Usenet unless it is to a binary > group. Both alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent and rec.bicycles.misc are text > groups. > > Your helpful net nanny, Yes, and thank God for that! Otherwise, we would have nothing but porn images here on ARBR. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 28 Feb 2006 19:46:40 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > ...Hamsters eat their own shit for protein, > etc.,, did you know that? As crazy as it sounds, that behavior is > either positive or harmless to the species, so it's not been weeded > out. Not exactly. From <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophagia >:"Rabbits, cavies (guinea pigs) and related species do not have the complicated ruminant digestive system. Instead they extract more nutrition from grass by giving their food a second pass through the gut. Soft caecal pellets of partially digested food are excreted and generally consumed immediately. They also produce normal droppings, which are not re-eaten." -- Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain     Date: 28 Feb 2006 12:58:26 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Kurt Fischer wrote: > > > You mean FOG's(Fat Old Guys)? > > That's mostly an american problem. Go to Europe and you'll find a > considerable number of younger, well trained riders on recumbents. Women > are still the vast minority, though. Odd, considering that their number one excuse, after fear of danger, for not riding is discomfort. > I see no logic connection between your statement and your question. You > won't get women on recumbents by making 'bents "sexy" in the sense of: > "semi-naked models posing on recumbents". That's a male fantasy, women > tend to think more practically: How much does it cost? Will it fit me? > What can I do with it?... Oh, please -- women are practical? Why do you think the world is full of these unwed mothers? Making something sexy means giving it a powerful enough keting cache so that practicality is no longer a major issue. Folks were buying Windows '95 simply on account of Microsoft's keting blitz, folks who didn't even have computers! Of course, not even the whole 'bent industry has that kind of keting muscle, but you see what I mean...the sizzle needs to be created before anyone will investigate the steak! And 'bents are extremely practical, particularly the user-friendly CLWBs like HP Velo's Spirit...but what's lacking, actually, is the buzz, the chic...put it this way: if drugs can be made cool, then certainly something can be done with 'bents! If lots of sexy chicks are riding 'bents, if this can somehow be made to be a kind of yuppie status symbol (or "urban tough" or "suburban grunge") then it'll fly for sure. > Chicks may love the safety and the comfort, but most of them don't like > the sensation they attract when riding a recumbent. So it comes down to > the old chicken-egg problem: As long as recumbents are rare, hardly > anyone is willing to take the plunge, as soon as they are mainstream, > everyone will ride them. Problem is how to make recumbents more popular. Right, and I've been saying all along that the strategy involves keting and image-making. Look at how many chicks are getting into skate-boarding, for Christ's sake! > Lower the price(not the pants) and make them easily available, show > celebrities riding them, but in the first line: ride it yourself. In my > eyes that's the first and most important promotion for recumbents. That, too. I can't wait! I'll let y'all know how it goes. > Speaking of daughters, I find it interesting that KMX-Karts dedicates a > page especially to girls: > > http://www.kmxkarts.co.uk/jodiespage.html Cute! There's a way to do this...I think what we gotta aim for is the white and Asian upwardly-mobile yuppie crowd...having a 'bent will be "the pony of the 21st Century"...thing is, not to so associate it with lil' girls that it becomes the Kiss of Death for other kets, namely young men.... > Well, lying naked in the snow certainly is a very special form of beeing > "recumbent". ;-) This would make a cool 'bent commercial! > Kurt       Date: 01 Mar 2006 15:02:15 From: Kurt Fischer Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote: > Kurt Fischer wrote: >> Women are still the vast minority, though. > Odd, considering that their number one excuse, after fear of danger, > for not riding is discomfort. Don't forget the fear of attracting unwanted attention, especially beautiful women get a lot of it every day, riding a recumbent surely won't help in this case. > Oh, please -- women are practical? Why do you think the world is full > of these unwed mothers? Yes, women are more practical when it comes to everyday life or their attitude towards vehicles, they are not practical when buying shoes or parking backwards. ;-) BTW: You don't want masses of unwed mothers on recumbents, that's not good for the image either. ;-) > Making something sexy means giving it a powerful enough keting cache > so that practicality is no longer a major issue. Folks were buying > Windows '95 simply on account of Microsoft's keting blitz, folks who > didn't even have computers! Of course, not even the whole 'bent > industry has that kind of keting muscle, but you see what I > mean...the sizzle needs to be created before anyone will investigate > the steak! Yes, I know what you mean and I agree, but "muscle" in this case translates to "cash", and that's exactly what most of the current manufactures are lacking, they are simply too small. On the other hand, the big guys in the cycling industry are not willing/able/ready at the moment to step in the recumbent business. A few weak and half-hearted attempts, that's all. At least Giant should have known it better, they had Mike Burrows(Windcheetah, Ratcatcher) on their pay-role for a while. > And 'bents are extremely practical, particularly the user-friendly > CLWBs like HP Velo's Spirit...but what's lacking, actually, is the > buzz, the chic...put it this way: if drugs can be made cool, then > certainly something can be done with 'bents! If lots of sexy chicks > are riding 'bents, if this can somehow be made to be a kind of yuppie > status symbol (or "urban tough" or "suburban grunge") then it'll fly > for sure. I agree about the important role of women in this game. They even don't have to ride recumbents, more important is in my eyes the conviction of men that they will impress the "chicks" by riding them(the recumbents, that is). And then price doesn't matter anymore. No price is too high for a guy to get the desired positive attention of a girl. It's all about image, you're right, and I don't think it difficult to establish bents as a new status symbol. The message is clear and simple. "Recumbents are cool, you need one!" Problem is the already mentioned lack of cash and/or will to spread this message under the crowds and I don't see at the moment where it should come from. > Right, and I've been saying all along that the strategy involves > keting and image-making. Look at how many chicks are getting into > skate-boarding, for Christ's sake! Yes, but how much is a skate-board and how much is your average recumbent? You're going to pay 3.5 grands for your Streetmachine, right? That's a jaw-dropping price for a young student, even 1000 $ for a RANS Rocket or Tailwind are way too much. > Cute! There's a way to do this...I think what we gotta aim for is the > white and Asian upwardly-mobile yuppie crowd...having a 'bent will be > "the pony of the 21st Century"...thing is, not to so associate it with > lil' girls that it becomes the Kiss of Death for other kets, namely > young men.... Sooner or later Barbie and Jim will ride recumbents, it's inevitable. ;-) The diversity of 'bents probably is wide enough to avoid the danger you mentioned. Sport freaks will lust for different recumbents than recreational riders or little girls. But there are a lot of people afraid of trying a recumbent because they fear to make a fool of themselves by falling over. When they see a little girl riding a 'bent and enjoying it, they probably get rid of this fear and are willing to give them a try: "Okay, when this girl is able to ride such a bike, then I'm able too!" So in the end it all comes down to money, nothing new here at all. ;-) Kurt       Date: 01 Mar 2006 09:30:10 From: Peter Clinch Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > And 'bents are extremely practical, particularly the user-friendly > CLWBs like HP Velo's Spirit...but what's lacking, actually, is the > buzz, the chic...put it this way: if drugs can be made cool, then > certainly something can be done with 'bents! Problem is that "cool" usually means, to some extent, "like what everyone else is using, but a bit better". Something completely different from the norm is often geeky rather than cool. Whether that /should/ be the case is moot, that's what it is... It's about as sensible as people asserting their cool individuality by wearing the same thing as everyone around them! > If lots of sexy chicks are riding 'bents, if this can somehow be made > to be a kind of yuppie status symbol (or "urban tough" or "suburban > grunge") then it'll fly for sure. But the "if"s in there are very big indeed :-( I'd love to see it happen, but it won't any time soon. Too many people are too afraid to stand out from the crowd, as you'll learn from a lot of "I could never ride one of those" statements from people you meet who are genuinely interested. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/     Date: 27 Feb 2006 22:09:16 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > <SNIP> > > > > It is even worse than that of the Irish - which is > saying a lot! y Mother of God, not that Fenian self-pity again. > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 28 Feb 2006 02:11:25 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141106956.660987.241930@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> <SNIP> >> >> >> >> It is even worse than that of the Irish - which is >> saying a lot! > > y Mother of God, not that Fenian self-pity again. Every time I read the story of the Great Irish Famine, I get all upset and want to go out and murder some Englishmen. My BP goes sky high. I told the doc what I thought was causing it, and he told me to stop reading books about the Great Irish Famine. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 27 Feb 2006 22:02:06 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Mmmm...virgins...we like.... Edward Dolan wrote: > > > Any woman who shows up on ARBR will have to fall into the mold of Our > Blessed Lady, the Virgin y. Either that or she won't last long because of > Saint Edward the Great. NYC, the libidinous Jew and Bill, the lascivious > Gentile, will have to get their own group where they can pimp the sluts all > they like. I assure you, that will never happen here on ARBR while Saint > Edward the Great is at the gate. I know exactly how to treat a woman who is > not a lady. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 28 Feb 2006 02:22:46 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141106526.920233.51940@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Mmmm...virgins...we like.... NYC - You are an asshole! I will make short work of any sluts you bring to this newsgroup. Count on it! And I will know how to characterize you too. > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> Any woman who shows up on ARBR will have to fall into the mold of Our >> Blessed Lady, the Virgin y. Either that or she won't last long because >> of >> Saint Edward the Great. NYC, the libidinous Jew and Bill, the lascivious >> Gentile, will have to get their own group where they can pimp the sluts >> all >> they like. I assure you, that will never happen here on ARBR while Saint >> Edward the Great is at the gate. I know exactly how to treat a woman who >> is >> not a lady. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> aka >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota >         Date: 28 Feb 2006 21:07:40 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:22:46 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > >"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1141106526.920233.51940@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> Mmmm...virgins...we like.... > >NYC - You are an asshole! > >I will make short work of any sluts you bring to this newsgroup. Count on >it! And I will know how to characterize you too. > >> Edward Dolan wrote: >>> >>> >>> Any woman who shows up on ARBR will have to fall into the mold of Our >>> Blessed Lady, the Virgin y. Either that or she won't last long because >>> of >>> Saint Edward the Great. NYC, the libidinous Jew and Bill, the lascivious >>> Gentile, will have to get their own group where they can pimp the sluts >>> all >>> they like. I assure you, that will never happen here on ARBR while Saint >>> Edward the Great is at the gate. I know exactly how to treat a woman who >>> is >>> not a lady. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >>> aka >>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota >> > Oh no, Ed's hooked a live one. I hope that readers (assuming anyone is interested enough to follow this fiasco) realize that Mr. Ed assuredly does not speak for the group (ARBR) except in his own mind. His abrasive character, so lovingly displayed in this thread and others, is the priy reason for the near death of our group over the past few years. Ed are you hitting the ol' vino again? Or just delighting in the parry & thrust? Indiana Mike           Date: 01 Mar 2006 02:52:51 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:cge902liimj1lpc9k5268kbkt0fo8gat2u@4ax.com... > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 02:22:46 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> > wrote: > >> >>"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message >>news:1141106526.920233.51940@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>> >>> Mmmm...virgins...we like.... >> >>NYC - You are an asshole! >> >>I will make short work of any sluts you bring to this newsgroup. Count on >>it! And I will know how to characterize you too. >> >>> Edward Dolan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Any woman who shows up on ARBR will have to fall into the mold of Our >>>> Blessed Lady, the Virgin y. Either that or she won't last long >>>> because >>>> of >>>> Saint Edward the Great. NYC, the libidinous Jew and Bill, the >>>> lascivious >>>> Gentile, will have to get their own group where they can pimp the sluts >>>> all >>>> they like. I assure you, that will never happen here on ARBR while >>>> Saint >>>> Edward the Great is at the gate. I know exactly how to treat a woman >>>> who >>>> is >>>> not a lady. > > Oh no, Ed's hooked a live one. > > I hope that readers (assuming anyone is interested enough to follow > this fiasco) realize that Mr. Ed assuredly does not speak for the > group (ARBR) except in his own mind. > > His abrasive character, so lovingly displayed in this thread and > others, is the priy reason for the near death of our group over the > past few years. > > Ed are you hitting the ol' vino again? Or just delighting in the parry > & thrust? > > Indiana Mike Old Indiana Mike is ever the voice of moderation. But that is not what newsgroups need. No, they need firebrands like me who will not how to create some sparks and you do this mainly by knowing how to kick some ass. Of course I only do this to asses which need to be kicked. But you can depend on old Indiana Mike here never to get so engaged. Respectability is his middle name. However, there is not much left to be done with this asshole who goes by the name of NYC. He thinks he can goad me, but who is goading who. The winner in the game of Usenet is whoever can say the most with the least amount of effort. So far, I have never found anyone who can beat me at this game. If it seems that I go on a bit too much with NYC that is because I am saying things that I want to say in any event. I am just using him as a pretext for saying what I want to say. Hells Bells, that is all I am ever using any of you for, including old Indiana Mike. If Indiana Mike were not so respectable, he would have commented on the libidinous Jew and the lascivious Gentile, but he is much too polite and correct for that. But that is why everyone reads me and why no one reads him. He should really try to say something slightly outrageous from time to time. He will feel better and like himself better. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 27 Feb 2006 22:00:47 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? The phrase is "tits and ass." Interesting you keep chanting "ass and tits." Freudian slip, O Grate One, or has pussy got your tongue? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > Just a couple of assholes who are into ass and tits, ass and tits, ass and > tits ... nothing but ass and tits. They should get their own separate > newsgroup where they could discuss this subject endlessly without > embarrassing the rest of us. They could name their newsgroup > alt.rec.assandtits. There are several other scum bags I know of on ARBR who > would be delighted to become members of such a group. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 28 Feb 2006 02:18:56 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141106447.649309.98580@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > The phrase is "tits and ass." Interesting you keep chanting "ass and > tits." Freudian slip, O Grate One, or has pussy got your tongue? You are the one who is concentrated on that particular subject, not me. However, what difference does it make whether it is ass and tits or tits and ass. Let's face it, some are more into one than the other. Are you an ass man or a tits man? This newsgroup needs to know! Speaking of Freud, there was another asshole who was never right about anything in his life. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> Just a couple of assholes who are into ass and tits, ass and tits, ass >> and >> tits ... nothing but ass and tits. They should get their own separate >> newsgroup where they could discuss this subject endlessly without >> embarrassing the rest of us. They could name their newsgroup >> alt.rec.assandtits. There are several other scum bags I know of on ARBR >> who >> would be delighted to become members of such a group.     Date: 27 Feb 2006 18:37:21 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Bill Baka wrote: > > > It is a summer 'sport' even in California. No bikinis in Feb or ch. > July however, wow. > 'nuff said. > Bill That's it -- I'm gonna have to get a digital camera, too and get all the pretty girls I know to sit on my 'bent and pose! Girls love getting their pictures taken, they're very flattered. I'll post 'em here on ARBR! We need more estrogen here, like what they did for poker nowadays! Yes, yes, I'll get their permission first for public dessimination of their likenesses.... What's up with all these 'bent manufacturers? Why can't they hire the local cutie for $50 to sit on their 'bent in suggestive poses wearing spandex bodysuits?     Date: 27 Feb 2006 10:05:34 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Edward Dolan wrote: > > > The evolutionary process makes all kinds of mistakes No such thing as a mistake. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. Oftentimes. But a mistake is too anthropromorphic a word, really. Is not winning the lottery a mistake? Were unsuccessful sperm mistakes? Something is only a mistake if you never wanted it in the first place. Think about it. > Ever hear of mutations? > Some few are helpful, but most are harmful. It is society that will make a > place for gays, not nature. Nature will see to it that natural selection > will eliminate any mistakes that do not promote the survival of the species. The question is why gay behavior hasn't been weeded out more thoroughly. Yes, society allows for it, to varying degrees. Therefore, from an evolutionary perspective, the behavior isn't anti-life, anti-the-species. Hamsters eat their own shit for protein, etc.,, did you know that? As crazy as it sounds, that behavior is either positive or harmless to the species, so it's not been weeded out. Likewise with gays. > Anyone who thinks that homos were put here by nature to protect siblings has > got rocks in their heads for brains. Your problem is that you're anthropromorphizing something which hasn't intelligence or design. You're confusing yourself. > By the way, I continue to believe that 95% of homos are nothing but > perverts. They have freely chosen their life style for immoral reasons of > their own. Nature would never create so many homos. It is strictly a > societal construct and the amount of it that is tolerated is an indicator of > the moral decay of a society. I don't suppose I think it's all "nature" and no "nurture" at all, but I do recall from a Discovery magazine from like 1989 -- their famous Sex Issue; you can't miss it; it was all about sex -- photos of chimpanzees having sex. One caption stated that a male was doing a very young female, another claimed one male was blowing another male, and still another had the Bonano (sp?) chimps doing the missionary position, with the male grasping onto his offering of fruits still. > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 27 Feb 2006 22:25:49 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1141063534.202412.142320@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >> The evolutionary process makes all kinds of mistakes > > No such thing as a mistake. Sometimes it just doesn't work out. > Oftentimes. But a mistake is too anthropromorphic a word, really. Is > not winning the lottery a mistake? Were unsuccessful sperm mistakes? > Something is only a mistake if you never wanted it in the first place. > Think about it. Mutations are just that - mutations, and almost all of them are harmful. Only those every few which are helpful get continued. It is nature's way of experimenting with what might work even better than what currently works. But like I said, almost all mutations are harmful and so they do not get continued. Nature has never yet endorsed homo behavior and it never will. Has it ever occurred to anyone but me that AIDS may be nature's way of telling us that it does not want homos. Or any kind of anal sex either for that matter. That is because the anus is an exit, not an entrance. Wayne Leggett, the Poet of PooP of ARBR, is confused about this, but what does he know. Hells Bells, he is confused about most things under the sun. >> Ever hear of mutations? >> Some few are helpful, but most are harmful. It is society that will make >> a >> place for gays, not nature. Nature will see to it that natural selection >> will eliminate any mistakes that do not promote the survival of the >> species. > > The question is why gay behavior hasn't been weeded out more > thoroughly. Yes, society allows for it, to varying degrees. > Therefore, from an evolutionary perspective, the behavior isn't > anti-life, anti-the-species. Hamsters eat their own shit for protein, > etc.,, did you know that? As crazy as it sounds, that behavior is > either positive or harmless to the species, so it's not been weeded > out. Likewise with gays. A healthy society will not tolerate much in the way of homosexual behavior because it is not helpful. However, entire societies can become pathologic, at which point they are inevitably replaced by more vigorous societies. >> Anyone who thinks that homos were put here by nature to protect siblings >> has >> got rocks in their heads for brains. > > Your problem is that you're anthropromorphizing something which hasn't > intelligence or design. You're confusing yourself. There is no design to anything under the sun. It is simply what works and what doesn't work. It is all experimentation from beginning to end. If homo behavior worked it would have been in place, but it never has been. It has always been a deviation and considered pathological by every society that ever existed. Some few societies have made a place for it provided it does not become dominant. There is no biologic imperative relating to homos in the care of siblings other than the parents involved and the society involved. Society may decide to give homos something to do to help out but nature is not involved in this. That would be anthropomorphizing and trying to find a design where none exists. >> By the way, I continue to believe that 95% of homos are nothing but >> perverts. They have freely chosen their life style for immoral reasons of >> their own. Nature would never create so many homos. It is strictly a >> societal construct and the amount of it that is tolerated is an indicator >> of >> the moral decay of a society. > > I don't suppose I think it's all "nature" and no "nurture" at all, but > I do recall from a Discovery magazine from like 1989 -- their famous > Sex Issue; you can't miss it; it was all about sex -- photos of > chimpanzees having sex. One caption stated that a male was doing a > very young female, another claimed one male was blowing another male, > and still another had the Bonano (sp?) chimps doing the missionary > position, with the male grasping onto his offering of fruits still. Sex is all about reproduction and nothing else. If it deviates from that, then that is just what it is - a deviation and nothing else. Remember that the next time you are ogling the girls. Girls = babies = society = work until you drop. Now you already know more than most poor slobs will ever know. No charge - I give this good advice out of the largess of my heart. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 20 Feb 2006 10:38:17 From: Peter Clinch Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > Actually, I could almost swear I read that in Velovision, a UK mag, > that trikes appeal/sell more to females! Maybe I'm reading that a different way than you intended... I saw it as "appeal more to women than men", where maybe you meant "trikes appeal to women more than bikes". My sample base of lady 'benters is far too small to draw conclusions from viz bikes vs. trikes, but there certainly isn't any obvious shortage of men on trikes. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/       Date: 06 Mar 2006 21:37:14 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Kurt Fischer wrote: > ... > Yes, but how much is a skate-board and how much is your average > recumbent? You're going to pay 3.5 grands for your Streetmachine, right? > That's a jaw-dropping price for a young student, even 1000 $ for a RANS > Rocket or Tailwind are way too much.... I was able to afford both [1] as a student, because I did not spend my money on stupid stuff. > Sooner or later Barbie and Jim will ride recumbents, it's inevitable. Barbie rides a Velokraft VK-1 lowracer. [1] Strictly speaking, the 'Tailwind" was a Wave with a Tailwind fork. -- Tom Sherman       Date: 01 Mar 2006 07:43:51 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Kurt Fischer wrote: > > > Don't forget the fear of attracting unwanted attention, especially > beautiful women get a lot of it every day, riding a recumbent surely > won't help in this case. Oh, right, that too. I hate sheep mentality. > Yes, women are more practical when it comes to everyday life or their > attitude towards vehicles, they are not practical when buying shoes or > parking backwards. ;-) Hmm, I love it when women "park backwards"...mmmm.... > BTW: You don't want masses of unwed mothers on recumbents, that's not > good for the image either. ;-) I dunno...the way society is heading, the government would probably step in with a free recumbent bicycle program.... > Yes, I know what you mean and I agree, but "muscle" in this case > translates to "cash", and that's exactly what most of the current > manufactures are lacking, they are simply too small. There's rather too many of them -- fun for us consumers, but golly, just not enough business to go around! > On the other hand, > the big guys in the cycling industry are not willing/able/ready at the > moment to step in the recumbent business. A few weak and half-hearted > attempts, that's all. At least Giant should have known it better, they > had Mike Burrows(Windcheetah, Ratcatcher) on their pay-role for a while. Oh, wow, I wonder what happened with that! > I agree about the important role of women in this game. They even don't > have to ride recumbents, more important is in my eyes the conviction of > men that they will impress the "chicks" by riding them(the recumbents, > that is). > And then price doesn't matter anymore. No price is too high for a guy to > get the desired positive attention of a girl. > > It's all about image, you're right, and I don't think it difficult to > establish bents as a new status symbol. The message is clear and simple. > "Recumbents are cool, you need one!" > > Problem is the already mentioned lack of cash and/or will to spread this > message under the crowds and I don't see at the moment where it should > come from. That's why I'm thinking product placement somehow? Sponsor some kind of gay ride? (After women, gays seem to be the demographic of choice.) Oh well, I don't think 'bent makers even have keting Departments.... > Yes, but how much is a skate-board and how much is your average > recumbent? You're going to pay 3.5 grands for your Streetmachine, right? > That's a jaw-dropping price for a young student, even 1000 $ for a RANS > Rocket or Tailwind are way too much. Well, there's always the ActionBent stuff from Taiwan. But, gosh, the website looks like it was done in Microsoft Word! > Sooner or later Barbie and Jim will ride recumbents, it's inevitable. > ;-) THERE YOU GO! Make 'bent toys for dolls...an "action bent" for G.I. Joes or something.... > The diversity of 'bents probably is wide enough to avoid the danger you > mentioned. Sport freaks will lust for different recumbents than > recreational riders or little girls. But there are a lot of people > afraid of trying a recumbent because they fear to make a fool of > themselves by falling over. When they see a little girl riding a 'bent > and enjoying it, they probably get rid of this fear and are willing to > give them a try: "Okay, when this girl is able to ride such a bike, then > I'm able too!" > > So in the end it all comes down to money, nothing new here at all. ;-) Yeah...sigh! Reminds me of the Aesop's Fable about the meeting of mice whereupon it was finally and conclusively decided, to cheers and applause, that something's got to be done about that cat! And the thing to do is to hang a bell around its neck! But the problem was...who's gonna do it? > Kurt BTW, what do you think of SRAM DualDrive? It's some kinda internal hub and derailleur mix, init?         Date: 01 Mar 2006 16:58:55 From: Peter Clinch Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > Kurt Fischer wrote: >> At least Giant should have known it better, they >> had Mike Burrows(Windcheetah, Ratcatcher) on their pay-role for a while. > > Oh, wow, I wonder what happened with that! He developed the compact DF and the Halfway folder for them. Nothing recumbent came out of it. The more recent Revivce is a semi recumbent, and while some people seem to like them others have suggested they take the worst features of 'bents and uprights and combine them. Having tried a fairly similar R&M Equinox a few years ago, I can see where the adverse comment comes from :-( Having parted company with Giant, he's back working for himself. Though he still makes 'bents it seems most of his production right now is the 8 Freight cargo bike (see http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/8f-sofa.jpg) which is long enough as it is without sitting the rider down too, so probably best off as it is. > BTW, what do you think of SRAM DualDrive? It's some kinda internal hub > and derailleur mix, init? Yes, basically the 3 speeds you usually get from a front changer are replaced with a 3 speed hub at the back. It's nothing new, Moulton had similar setups on AMs years and years ago, but now the DualDrive and a Shimano equivalent are fairly mainstream. It keeps the front of the bike tidier and it means you can change gears on the hub when stood still, plus there's a bit less wear and maintenance needed, all of which is good. It makes taking out the back wheel more awkward, and there's a bit more rolling resistance freewheeling, which is not so good. You choose, you lose... Roos has it on her bike, and likes it, deciding on it over the Rohloff as she really doesn't like twist shifters and that's the only way of changing a Rohloff (DualDrives are usually twisters too, but Nazca have done a nice job hacking bar end shifters so they work with DD, and that's what she has on her bike). Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/           Date: 06 Mar 2006 12:40:20 From: Dave Larrington Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? In article <46m26fFbs3omU1@individual.net >, Peter Clinch (p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk) wrote: > He developed the compact DF and the Halfway folder for them. Nothing > recumbent came out of it. The prototype Ratcatcher 9 is badged as a Giant, but they weren't interested. Silly sods. -- Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ > Hoc ardur vincere docet.   Date: 20 Feb 2006 10:07:40 From: Peter Clinch Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > Hey, trikes do look like lotsa fun! Up to a point. I was playing on an HPVel Scorpion on Saturday, and while they're fun I don't personally find them particularly more fun than a bike. Mileage varies, of course, but don't assume you'll really feel the need for one. > (hey, any you two-wheeled 'benters take the train > with your bikes?) Yes. Check with the train company what their general cycle policy is and if there are any limitations. > girls would take to much more gladly than a 'bent, basically on account > of the obvious safety thanks to three wheels...indeed, I think I read > somewhere that trikes sell mostly to females! Judging from what I see in the UK that's not the case. Pete. -- Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/   Date: 19 Feb 2006 22:30:22 From: NYC XYZ Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? GaryG wrote: > > > Hell no! > > GG The girls I wind up meeting are almost always scared or uncomfortable when it comes to bike-riding, so trikes seem like a nice way to get them involved.     Date: 20 Feb 2006 07:38:33 From: GaryG Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1140417022.474642.114090@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > GaryG wrote: > > > > > > Hell no! > > > > GG > > > The girls I wind up meeting are almost always scared or uncomfortable > when it comes to bike-riding, so trikes seem like a nice way to get > them involved. > Are those "girls" about 5 years old? Or, are they closer to 85? Those seem to be the typical ages for females interested in tricycles. GG   Date: 19 Feb 2006 22:27:47 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > Hey, trikes do look like lotsa fun! More expensive, hmm. Anyone in > NYC (or some other metro area) do trikes? Besides poor Jeff Grippe > (hope all is well). > > Just wondering. Links, etc., much appreciated. Don't expect to get > into this for another decade at least -- and can't really imagine where > I could ride, or how to transport such a contraption through the > subways if necessary (hey, any you two-wheeled 'benters take the train > with your bikes?) -- but it's an interesting idea which I think most > girls would take to much more gladly than a 'bent, basically on account > of the obvious safety thanks to three wheels...indeed, I think I read > somewhere that trikes sell mostly to females! I ride a trike, but I certainly do not "do" trikes. -- Tom Sherman   Date: 19 Feb 2006 20:07:16 From: GaryG Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1140372177.583000.272600@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Hey, trikes do look like lotsa fun! More expensive, hmm. Anyone in > NYC (or some other metro area) do trikes? Hell no! GG > Besides poor Jeff Grippe > (hope all is well). > > Just wondering. Links, etc., much appreciated. Don't expect to get > into this for another decade at least -- and can't really imagine where > I could ride, or how to transport such a contraption through the > subways if necessary (hey, any you two-wheeled 'benters take the train > with your bikes?) -- but it's an interesting idea which I think most > girls would take to much more gladly than a 'bent, basically on account > of the obvious safety thanks to three wheels...indeed, I think I read > somewhere that trikes sell mostly to females! >   Date: 19 Feb 2006 19:15:40 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Rich ? wrote: > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > > Joelw135 wrote: > > If you try this forum > >>http://www.bentrideronline.com/ in the speciality listing there are > >>many trike users. Ask your question there. > > > > Keep in mind that the aforementioned forum is moderated (i.e. > > censored). > > Which keeps the rif-raf out and makes it an excellent place to get > actual information on trikes. Ignore what I wrote at your peril. If ya can't stand the heat... -- Tom Sherman     Date: 20 Feb 2006 08:00:53 From: Jon Meinecke Subject: bentirderonline [was: Any of You Do Trikes] [newsgroups trimmed] "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote > Rich ? wrote: >> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: >> > Joelw135 wrote: >> >>http://www.bentrideronline.com/ in the speciality listing there are >> >>many trike users. Ask your question there. >> > >> > Keep in mind that the aforementioned forum is moderated The quality of moderation is the key. bentrideronline is a private enterprise, but in my experience, it provides a decent perspective in news articles and reviews. Their forums seem to offer civil discussion within the bounds of moderation. There are many other forums that offer otherwise... Others may calibrate differently. >> > [bentrideronline forums moderated] (i.e. censored). Then by that measure, so too, censored are the New York Times, Fox News, ABC, NPR, etc... All of these, and bentrideronline, of course, lack the official standing and scope of control for actual censorship of ideas to obtain. >> [Rich wrote] >> Which keeps the rif-raf out and makes it an excellent place to get >> actual information on trikes. > > Ignore what I wrote at your peril. Certainly, know the characteristics of the medium, but in this case, *peril*? People often mistake USENET newsgroups as sources for information. Trust the "information" here, at your peril, indeed! > If ya can't stand the heat... A properly designed kitchen, used cooperatively, can accommodate collaboration of quite a few chefs without overheating. Jon Meinecke       Date: 20 Feb 2006 15:00:05 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: bentirderonline [was: Any of You Do Trikes] "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@none.non > wrote in message news:43f9ca81$0$8248$6d36acad@taz.nntpserver.com... [...] > The quality of moderation is the key. bentrideronline is a private > enterprise, but in my experience, it provides a decent perspective > in news articles and reviews. Their forums seem to offer civil > discussion within the bounds of moderation. I have never yet looked at the BROL forum nor do I ever intend to. I already know everything I will every want to know about recumbents and no one, least of all Jon Meinecke, will ever be able to tell me anything. My Greatness will not permit it. [...] > People often mistake USENET newsgroups as sources > for information. Trust the "information" here, at your peril, > indeed! Yes, if you want information it must be run past an editor who is an expert in the field. Otherwise you are just going to get a lot of trash information from an assortment of idiots, morons and imbeciles.The very best source for recumbent information is from the magazine RCN. If you are into recumbents and are not subscribing to this magazine, then you are not a serious person. Thus spake Zarathustra. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota PS. USENET newsgroups are for idiots. Now you know what I am doing here. I am playing with all the idiots! I hope you are having some fun too.   Date: 19 Feb 2006 17:20:55 From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Joelw135 wrote: > NYC XYZ wrote: > > Hey, trikes do look like lotsa fun! More expensive, hmm. Anyone in > > NYC (or some other metro area) do trikes? Besides poor Jeff Grippe > > (hope all is well). > > > > Just wondering. Links, etc., much appreciated. Don't expect to get > > into this for another decade at least -- and can't really imagine where > > I could ride, or how to transport such a contraption through the > > subways if necessary (hey, any you two-wheeled 'benters take the train > > with your bikes?) -- but it's an interesting idea which I think most > > girls would take to much more gladly than a 'bent, basically on account > > of the obvious safety thanks to three wheels...indeed, I think I read > > somewhere that trikes sell mostly to females! > > You would not believe how many trikes are around NYC. There are trikes > that fold and can be carried on the subway. My trike fits in my Hyundai > Santa Fe and there is plenty of room. Some trikes have very small > wheelbase and the width is narrow. Mine is 32" wide, but no it doesn't > fold and the subway is out. If you try this forum > http://www.bentrideronline.com/ in the speciality listing there are > many trike users. Ask your question there. Keep in mind that the aforementioned forum is moderated (i.e. censored). -- Tom Sherman - Post Free or Die!     Date: 20 Feb 2006 14:59:47 From: Dave Larrington Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? In article <1140398455.322045.307870@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com >, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman (sunsetss0003@yahoo.com) wrote: > Keep in mind that the aforementioned forum is moderated (i.e. > censored). Only to keep the monkeys out. -- Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ > If you are choking on an ice cube, simply pour a jug of boiling water down your throat and presto! The blockage is almost instantly removed.     Date: 19 Feb 2006 18:31:39 From: Rich Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote: > Joelw135 wrote: > If you try this forum >>http://www.bentrideronline.com/ in the speciality listing there are >>many trike users. Ask your question there. > > Keep in mind that the aforementioned forum is moderated (i.e. > censored). Which keeps the rif-raf out and makes it an excellent place to get actual information on trikes.   Date: 19 Feb 2006 12:28:22 From: Joelw135 Subject: Re: Any of You Do Trikes -- in A Metro Area, Too?? NYC XYZ wrote: > Hey, trikes do look like lotsa fun! More expensive, hmm. Anyone in > NYC (or some other metro area) do trikes? Besides poor Jeff Grippe > (hope all is well). > > Just wondering. Links, etc., much appreciated. Don't expect to get > into this for another decade at least -- and can't really imagine where > I could ride, or how to transport such a contraption through the > subways if necessary (hey, any you two-wheeled 'benters take the train > with your bikes?) -- but it's an interesting idea which I think most > girls would take to much more gladly than a 'bent, basically on account > of the obvious safety thanks to three wheels...indeed, I think I read > somewhere that trikes sell mostly to females! You would not believe how many trikes are around NYC. There are trikes that fold and can be carried on the subway. My trike fits in my Hyundai Santa Fe and there is plenty of room. Some trikes have very small wheelbase and the width is narrow. Mine is 32" wide, but no it doesn't fold and the subway is out. If you try this forum http://www.bentrideronline.com/ in the speciality listing there are many trike users. Ask your question there.