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Main Date: 30 Jul 2005 11:47:13 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Approaching Milestone for ARBR For as long as I have been a member of ARBR, a certain Mr. Tom Sherman has always been the most prolific poster. That is about to change very shortly, unless he returns and resumes his one liner posts. Yours truly, Ed Dolan the Great, is soon to overtake Tom Sherman and become the all time champion poster to ARBR. Here is the relevant information for those of you who are interested in such esoterica: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about?hl=en Moreover, my posts are not one liners without any content to them which was often the case with Tom Sherman's posts. I never tried for this record though. It just sort of happened due to all the wrangles I get into with everyone here on ARBR. When the big day arrives that I surpass Tom Sherman as the most prolific poster, I will call everyone's attention to it. These are the sort of things that I am good at. I am expecting that congratulations will be in order from all and sundry. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota   Date: 21 Aug 2005 04:43:38 From: Johnny ReBike Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On 30-Jul-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > For as long as I have been a member of ARBR, a certain Mr. Tom Sherman has > > always been the most prolific poster. That is about to change very > shortly, > unless he returns and resumes his one liner posts. Yours truly, Ed Dolan > the > Great, is soon to overtake Tom Sherman and become the all time champion > poster to ARBR. > > Here is the relevant information for those of you who are interested in > such > esoterica: > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about?hl=en > > Moreover, my posts are not one liners without any content to them which > was > often the case with Tom Sherman's posts. I never tried for this record > though. It just sort of happened due to all the wrangles I get into with > everyone here on ARBR. > > When the big day arrives that I surpass Tom Sherman as the most prolific > poster, I will call everyone's attention to it. These are the sort of > things > that I am good at. I am expecting that congratulations will be in order > from > all and sundry. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota Yo Eddie D., If you stopped your self obsession for a minute, you would realize that the astute Mr. Sherman posted many messages prior to 2001 before he moved to the Quad Cities and started using the "qconline.com" email address. Stop being such a doofus. -- Johnny ReBike ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe     Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:00:11 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com > wrote in message news:1124599573_539@spool6-east.superfeed.net... > On 30-Jul-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> For as long as I have been a member of ARBR, a certain Mr. Tom Sherman >> has >> >> always been the most prolific poster. That is about to change very >> shortly, >> unless he returns and resumes his one liner posts. Yours truly, Ed Dolan >> the >> Great, is soon to overtake Tom Sherman and become the all time champion >> poster to ARBR. >> >> Here is the relevant information for those of you who are interested in >> such >> esoterica: >> >> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about?hl=en >> >> Moreover, my posts are not one liners without any content to them which >> was >> often the case with Tom Sherman's posts. I never tried for this record >> though. It just sort of happened due to all the wrangles I get into with >> everyone here on ARBR. >> >> When the big day arrives that I surpass Tom Sherman as the most prolific >> poster, I will call everyone's attention to it. These are the sort of >> things >> that I am good at. I am expecting that congratulations will be in order >> from >> all and sundry. >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > Yo Eddie D., > > If you stopped your self obsession for a minute, you would realize that > the > astute Mr. Sherman posted many messages prior to 2001 before he moved to > the > Quad Cities and started using the "qconline.com" email address. It appears that Ed Gin (Johnny ReBike) is right about this. A cursory look at posts prior to 2001 reveals that the damnable Tom Sherman was posting his usual nonsense way back when. But I will go with the Google statistic on this for a single email address. In the final analysis only the Google statistic will matter. Sherman should have stayed put with a single email address. I am now only about 25 posts from becoming the champion. Stay tuned. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 21 Aug 2005 02:06:50 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com > wrote in message news:1124599573_539@spool6-east.superfeed.net... > On 30-Jul-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> For as long as I have been a member of ARBR, a certain Mr. Tom Sherman >> has >> >> always been the most prolific poster. That is about to change very >> shortly, >> unless he returns and resumes his one liner posts. Yours truly, Ed Dolan >> the >> Great, is soon to overtake Tom Sherman and become the all time champion >> poster to ARBR. >> >> Here is the relevant information for those of you who are interested in >> such >> esoterica: >> >> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about?hl=en >> >> Moreover, my posts are not one liners without any content to them which >> was >> often the case with Tom Sherman's posts. I never tried for this record >> though. It just sort of happened due to all the wrangles I get into with >> everyone here on ARBR. >> >> When the big day arrives that I surpass Tom Sherman as the most prolific >> poster, I will call everyone's attention to it. These are the sort of >> things >> that I am good at. I am expecting that congratulations will be in order >> from >> all and sundry. >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > Yo Eddie D., > > If you stopped your self obsession for a minute, you would realize that > the > astute Mr. Sherman posted many messages prior to 2001 before he moved to > the > Quad Cities and started using the "qconline.com" email address. > > Stop being such a doofus. If others are so stupid as to be changing their email address then that is their lookout. The fact remains that Tom Sherman posted more idiotic messages to this group than anyone, but that is soon to change. I will soon overtake him as the most prolific poster of all time to ARBR under a single email address. The fact also remains that one of my messages is worth ten of his. Finally, anyone who was on this fouled up group prior to 200l should have died and gone to hell long ago. Why are you still here, pray tell? -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 25 Aug 2005 00:39:33 From: Johnny ReBike Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On 21-Aug-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > If others are so stupid as to be changing their email address then that is > > their lookout. The fact remains that Tom Sherman posted more idiotic > messages to this group than anyone, but that is soon to change. I will > soon > overtake him as the most prolific poster of all time to ARBR under a > single > email address. The fact also remains that one of my messages is worth ten > of > his. Finally, anyone who was on this fouled up group prior to 200l should > have died and gone to hell long ago. Why are you still here, pray tell? dolan, Mr. Sherman contributes more to society in a single day that you have in your miserable life. Johnny ReBike [Slowest Bike in the Known Universe] is here to annoy ed doofus. Thus spake Johnny ReBike [Slowest Bike in the Known Universe] -- Johnny ReBike ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----         Date: 24 Aug 2005 21:57:40 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@JohnnyReBike.com > wrote in message news:1124930525_131@spool6-east.superfeed.net... > > On 21-Aug-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> If others are so stupid as to be changing their email address then that >> is >> >> their lookout. The fact remains that Tom Sherman posted more idiotic >> messages to this group than anyone, but that is soon to change. I will >> soon >> overtake him as the most prolific poster of all time to ARBR under a >> single >> email address. The fact also remains that one of my messages is worth ten >> of >> his. Finally, anyone who was on this fouled up group prior to 200l should >> have died and gone to hell long ago. Why are you still here, pray tell? > > dolan, > > Mr. Sherman contributes more to society in a single day that you have in > your miserable life. > > Johnny ReBike [Slowest Bike in the Known Universe] is here to annoy ed > doofus. dolan should be Dolan. Maybe you could take a cue from your mentor Tom Sherman and contribute something to this group yourself instead of mindlessly trolling with idiotic nonsense. But in any event, Sherman was overrated by various members of this group. He was OK when on-topic and he most definitely was NOT OK when he was off-topic. But he is gone now because he got disgusted with the likes of you. It is amusing indeed to consider that Ed Gin (Johnny ReBike) has concern for what others may or may not be contributing to society when all he has ever done is to destroy this newsgroup by his criminal vandal trolling. Don't believe me? Go back and review the posts of last February. There you will see nothing but forgeries and false names, ever the hallks of a criminal. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 13 Aug 2005 16:05:32 From: LoGo USA Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Hey guys - I've once again escaped my cage; Straw hat in hand, I'm back on stage, With ARBR readers waiting, rapt... Said HHS, both true and apt: >... it's not an writer - it's a writer, >Samuel (you idiot). Hmm... did I set a little trap To catch a hand that I could slap, To stress that content outweighs style? Guys, would I stoop to use such guile? In fact, I also dropped a line; Was that because of too much wine, Or lack of coffee, sloppy haste? Or did I blow a cut-and-paste? Think what you want, folks; it's your call. I choose to rise above it all. Not saintly, never made no claim; Not perfect, hey, but just the same... To HHS: Thanks, nicely done. You caught my 'OOPS!', but had some fun. You showed that 'flip' beats 'flap' by far; For picking nits, you've raised the bar. For those few fans who might get pissed, Or always wonder what they missed, Because I screwed up, I'll reprint The last six lines of my last stint: Don't mock misspellings; please refrain. No less an author than k Twain Says, "I respect a writer who... [He pauses, then looks right at you; He puffs his pipe, grins through the haze] Can spell a word in sev'ral ways." Regards, Wayne   Date: 13 Aug 2005 09:34:40 From: LoGo USA Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Hey troops - The TROLL (who's toned it down a tad?) Asks in a style more mild than mad: >Not very clear cut is it? Other grams say >just the opposite. A quick drum roll... a soft-shoe dance... The tall guy wearing baggy pants, Straw hat and face with painted smile (Who's had 'em rollin' in the aisle?), Breathes deep, then states in dulcet tones, "My point, precisely, Mr. Bones!" The rules of gram aren't that tight. Don't make a fuss; don't feud and fight. If someone puts a comma where It isn't needed, don't go there. Don't mock misspellings; please refrain. No less an author than k Twain Said, "I respect an writer who... [He puffed his pipe, grinned through the haze] Can spell a word in sev'ral ways." Regards Wayne     Date: 13 Aug 2005 12:07:17 From: HHS Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message news:1123950880.547266.149610@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... <snip > > The rules of gram aren't that tight. > Don't make a fuss; don't feud and fight. > If someone puts a comma where > It isn't needed, don't go there. > Don't mock misspellings; please refrain. > No less an author than k Twain > Said, "I respect an writer who... > [He puffed his pipe, grinned through the haze] > Can spell a word in sev'ral ways." > Yeahbut.... it's not an writer - it's a writer, Samuel (you idiot).       Date: 13 Aug 2005 19:05:17 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "HHS" <hhs@nospam.com > wrote in message news:RIidnSVE9agmtWPfRVn-rA@comcast.com... > > "LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com> wrote in message > news:1123950880.547266.149610@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > <snip> > >> The rules of gram aren't that tight. >> Don't make a fuss; don't feud and fight. >> If someone puts a comma where >> It isn't needed, don't go there. >> Don't mock misspellings; please refrain. >> No less an author than k Twain >> Said, "I respect an writer who... >> [He puffed his pipe, grinned through the haze] >> Can spell a word in sev'ral ways." >> > > Yeahbut.... it's not an writer - it's a writer, Samuel > (you idiot). That is nothing but a typo. What Wayne LoGo, the Poet of ARBR, does is amazing. There is a quality to his verse which is quite rare. It must take a lot of time and effort to come up with lines that are so well written. We know nothing of his academic background, but I will admit I am curious. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota   Date: 12 Aug 2005 09:03:09 From: LoGo USA Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Hey guys - Cheap wine exacts a heavy toll Upon the mind of one old TROLL: >Forewent is the past tense of forego. It is in my >dictionary. I am hardly ever wrong about the use of >words... but I am to [sic] lazy to point you to... When homophobe met homophones, He made a boo-boo; make no bones! To use a word like 'genes' for 'jeans' Because he mistook what it means Is both pretentious and, well, vain. For future reference, I'll explain: Forgo means: 'give up, do without'; Forego means:'go before'. Devout The doltish TROLL's beliefs may be, But still, he's WRONG, as you can see! Folks, if the TROLL did forego sex, Presumably, then one suspects He's been around a long, long time. I think the truth is less sublime. Miss Muffet wasn't eating Kurds. There's more to proper use of words (Though TROLLs might wish it wasn't so) Than running spell check. (Daunt ewe no?) The TROLL would cow in abject fright To see a link to Strunk and White; Since no one else is apt to care (Preferring pix of pubic hair?) I'll quote in plain prosaic prose What almost any writer knows: Punctuation should go inside quotation ks when it belongs with the quoted material, but may go outside when it belongs to the main sentence. The prevalent but illogical use of 'inside' periods dates to the era of leaded typesetting. >Reaserch ... clearly a typo. Ellipsis, hmmm? Misused, but telling. The TROLL can learn! Next maybe: spelling? Regards, Wayne     Date: 12 Aug 2005 17:30:00 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message news:1123862589.087342.200250@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hey guys - > > Cheap wine exacts a heavy toll > Upon the mind of one old TROLL: Well, I don't know about that. $10. for a gallon of wine does not seem cheap to me. But why pay more when you have found a wine that is pleasing to the taste. The alcohol content is all the same after all. >>Forewent is the past tense of forego. It is in my >>dictionary. I am hardly ever wrong about the use of >>words... but I am to [sic] lazy to point you to.. Another typo which my spell check got wrong. I wonder if I were using MS Word if it would have gotten it correct. MS Word seems to be good at picking up these small errors in gram. > When homophobe met homophones, > He made a boo-boo; make no bones! I only dislike 99% of the slobs and jerks in the world. The remainder are perfectly OK. > To use a word like 'genes' for 'jeans' > Because he mistook what it means > Is both pretentious and, well, vain. > For future reference, I'll explain: Jeans for genes? Never happened! > Forgo means: 'give up, do without'; > Forego means:'go before'. Devout > The doltish TROLL's beliefs may be, > But still, he's WRONG, as you can see! Wayne Logo, the Poet of ARBR, is right about this. He is discovering my mistakes in English that I have been making all of my life. The solution of course is to look things up when you are not sure. I was not sure about forego, but I have gotten lazy in my old age. I now refuse to look up anything anymore. Hence, that is the cause of my few mistakes. Nevertheless, it is good to push our language skills even if we do make occasional mistakes. I enjoy reading prose or verse that is well written and I just hate to read plain old common everyday spoken English. > Folks, if the TROLL did forego sex, > Presumably, then one suspects > He's been around a long, long time. > I think the truth is less sublime. > > Miss Muffet wasn't eating Kurds. > There's more to proper use of words > (Though TROLLs might wish it wasn't so) > Than running spell check. (Daunt ewe no?) I only use the spell check to correct typos. There are very few words that I do not know how to spell. I used to win spelling contests when I was a kid in school. > The TROLL would cow in abject fright > To see a link to Strunk and White; > Since no one else is apt to care > (Preferring pix of pubic hair?) > I'll quote in plain prosaic prose > What almost any writer knows: > > Punctuation should go inside quotation ks when it > belongs with the quoted material, but may go outside > when it belongs to the main sentence. The prevalent > but illogical use of 'inside' periods dates to the > era of leaded typesetting. [...] Not very clear cut is it? Other grams say just the opposite. Periods outside the quotation at the end of the sentence just don't look right. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota PS. Wayne Logo, the Poet of ARBR, has written an excellent bit of verse, topical and on point. It is a pleasure to read him when he does not get foul and dirty.   Date: 11 Aug 2005 08:42:06 From: LoGo USA Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Greetings, gang - How oft the TROLL has rashly spoken His mocking chant, so loud, unbroken: >I never make errors... When you see an error >by [the TROLL], you can rest assured that it >is merely a typo. A MAJOR MILESTONE(!), gentle readers: The patron saint of bottom feeders, The overbearing holy terror, At last acknowledges an error! >ROTB is right about the misspelling of overdo. ROTB, you are a hero! The good guys: ONE; Saint Stupid: ZERO! The TROLL has had a special dinner, The kind that makes its diner thinner. No one says crow tastes just like chicken, So there was not much finger lickin'; Instead the TROLL resumed his sniping By thinking slow, but swiftly typing: >The period... should come before... not after... Oh, I loved that! His ego shaken, The TROLL struck back - but he's mistaken! And then strike three: the narcissistic Old TROLL types this (How masochistic!): >... I forewent [sic] all sex... His ego bruised, but huge and swollen, The TROLL who fears the semi-colon Forgoes to check a simple spelling; Misuse of pompous words? Repelling! If souls improve by frank confession, The TROLL should make one more concession, Retract this bit, admit deceiving (Both?) readers who have been believing: >I say what I believe to be true... I've noted other contradictions; The TROLL's been charged, without convictions: >I am a good troll... >The fact is that I am not a troll... >... the [TROLL] is soon to... become the all time champion >poster to ARBR. Here is the relevant information... [LINK >TO GOOGLE GROUPS ARCHIVE] >Only a nerd would do reaserch [sic] in a newsgroup archive. >You should have a look at that link Mike. >Neither I nor anyone else with an ounce of brains will >ever go to link. The TROLL's one statement no one's doubting - The 'medication' he's been touting: >The one med that works every time for me is a bit of >the old vino... it mellows me out just fine. ROTB, good work. Thank you! Not overdone, but overdue. Regards, Wayne     Date: 11 Aug 2005 17:47:34 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message news:1123774925.981151.37260@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Greetings, gang - > > How oft the TROLL has rashly spoken > His mocking chant, so loud, unbroken: > >>I never make errors... When you see an error >>by [the TROLL], you can rest assured that it >>is merely a typo. > > A MAJOR MILESTONE(!), gentle readers: > The patron saint of bottom feeders, > The overbearing holy terror, > At last acknowledges an error! Ed Dolan the Great is never small minded about matters, not even those touching on himself. It is a k of my Greatness that I can admit to the occasional error without it in the least reflecting on my Greatness. In fact, it even redounds to my Greatness. >>ROTB is right about the misspelling of overdo. > > ROTB, you are a hero! > The good guys: ONE; Saint Stupid: ZERO! > The TROLL has had a special dinner, > The kind that makes its diner thinner. > > No one says crow tastes just like chicken, > So there was not much finger lickin'; > Instead the TROLL resumed his sniping > By thinking slow, but swiftly typing: > >>The period... should come before... not after... > > Oh, I loved that! His ego shaken, > The TROLL struck back - but he's mistaken! Nope, I am not mistaken but I am to lazy to point you to a source of instruction in punctuation. > And then strike three: the narcissistic > Old TROLL types this (How masochistic!): >>... I forewent [sic] all sex... > > His ego bruised, but huge and swollen, > The TROLL who fears the semi-colon > Forgoes to check a simple spelling; > Misuse of pompous words? Repelling! Wrong again! Forewent is the past tense of forego. It is in my dictionary. I am hardly ever wrong about the use of words. By the way, you do not ever want to overuse the semi-colon. It should only be used rarely. If you are using it too often, you need to rethink your sentences. > If souls improve by frank confession, > The TROLL should make one more concession, > Retract this bit, admit deceiving > (Both?) readers who have been believing: > >>I say what I believe to be true... Except when I am pulling the leg of fools like you. > I've noted other contradictions; > The TROLL's been charged, without convictions: > >>I am a good troll... >>The fact is that I am not a troll... It all depends on how you define troll. I define it to suit my purposes of the moment. There is not one person in a hundred here on ARBR who knows what a true troll is like. You don't either for that matter. See last winter's disaster here on ARBR to get up to speed on what trolls are and what they do. I know that if and when you are ever confronted by a true troll, you will run and hide like all the other cowards who infect this newsgroup. >>... the [TROLL] is soon to... become the all time champion >>poster to ARBR. Here is the relevant information... [LINK >>TO GOOGLE GROUPS ARCHIVE] >>Only a nerd would do reaserch [sic] in a newsgroup archive. Reaserch ... clearly a typo. >>You should have a look at that link Mike. >>Neither I nor anyone else with an ounce of brains will >>ever go to a link. Checking a statistic is not rummaging about in the archives. Only Jon Meinecke and fools like you do that sort of thing. I also do not send others to stupid graphics and other asinine websites by way of links. When you get a link from Ed Dolan the Great, you can rest assured that it is on point and to the point. Tom Sherman, an otherwise fairly intelligent person, used to do this sort of thing all the time. I think he thought he was being witty or funny or something. I always held it against him. Only children and juveniles do this and think it is clever. A mature person would never engage in these asininities. To his credit, Wayne Logo the Poet does not post links to crap like so many others do. He should stop rummaging about in the archives as there is nothing there but old shit. Since there is always plenty of new shit being posted, there is never any reason to look up old shit. Unless you prefer old shit of course. Wayne Logo, the Poet of Poop, will know what I am talking about. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota     Date: 11 Aug 2005 12:22:05 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Wayne, I really enjoy your posts and my comment is certainly not meant to be at all insulting but you are either very good at this or you have way too much time on your hands. On the other hand I fritter away far too much time in front of the television so I have no basis at all to comment. Keep up the good work. Your stuff is always fun to read. Jeff "LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message news:1123774925.981151.37260@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Greetings, gang - > > How oft the TROLL has rashly spoken > His mocking chant, so loud, unbroken: > >>I never make errors... When you see an error >>by [the TROLL], you can rest assured that it >>is merely a typo. > > A MAJOR MILESTONE(!), gentle readers: > The patron saint of bottom feeders, > The overbearing holy terror, > At last acknowledges an error! > >>ROTB is right about the misspelling of overdo. > > ROTB, you are a hero! > The good guys: ONE; Saint Stupid: ZERO! > The TROLL has had a special dinner, > The kind that makes its diner thinner. > > No one says crow tastes just like chicken, > So there was not much finger lickin'; > Instead the TROLL resumed his sniping > By thinking slow, but swiftly typing: > >>The period... should come before... not after... > > Oh, I loved that! His ego shaken, > The TROLL struck back - but he's mistaken! > And then strike three: the narcissistic > Old TROLL types this (How masochistic!): > >>... I forewent [sic] all sex... > > His ego bruised, but huge and swollen, > The TROLL who fears the semi-colon > Forgoes to check a simple spelling; > Misuse of pompous words? Repelling! > > If souls improve by frank confession, > The TROLL should make one more concession, > Retract this bit, admit deceiving > (Both?) readers who have been believing: > >>I say what I believe to be true... > > I've noted other contradictions; > The TROLL's been charged, without convictions: > >>I am a good troll... >>The fact is that I am not a troll... > >>... the [TROLL] is soon to... become the all time champion >>poster to ARBR. Here is the relevant information... [LINK >>TO GOOGLE GROUPS ARCHIVE] >>Only a nerd would do reaserch [sic] in a newsgroup archive. > >>You should have a look at that link Mike. >>Neither I nor anyone else with an ounce of brains will >>ever go to link. > > The TROLL's one statement no one's doubting - > The 'medication' he's been touting: > >>The one med that works every time for me is a bit of >>the old vino... it mellows me out just fine. > > ROTB, good work. Thank you! > Not overdone, but overdue. > > Regards, > Wayne >       Date: 11 Aug 2005 17:54:43 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message news:11fmuu6q3jdhv91@news.supernews.com... > Wayne, > > I really enjoy your posts and my comment is certainly not meant to be at > all insulting but you are either very good at this or you have way too > much time on your hands. [...] I too appreciate Wayne LoGo, the Poet of ARBR, but he has to stay off of excrement. Talent is one thing, but taste is far more important. Talent without taste is wasted. Mozart had both and is generally regarded as the greatest classical composer who ever lived because of it. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota         Date: 21 Aug 2005 05:38:36 From: Johnny ReBike Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On 11-Aug-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > I too appreciate Wayne LoGo, the Poet of ARBR, but he has to stay off of > excrement. No Shit? -- Johnny ReBike ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe         Date: 11 Aug 2005 23:00:35 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:54:43 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > >"Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote in message >news:11fmuu6q3jdhv91@news.supernews.com... >> Wayne, >> >> I really enjoy your posts and my comment is certainly not meant to be at >> all insulting but you are either very good at this or you have way too >> much time on your hands. >[...] > >I too appreciate Wayne LoGo, the Poet of ARBR, but he has to stay off of >excrement. Talent is one thing, but taste is far more important. Talent >without taste is wasted. Mozart had both and is generally regarded as the >greatest classical composer who ever lived because of it. But I bet he wasn't a saint. Indiana Mike > >Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > PS-I heard one had to meet some criteria to be deemed a saint. Two of the criteria are to have at least three miracles and then, of coarse, one must be dead. Are you listening, Jeff? Brain dead doesn't count.           Date: 12 Aug 2005 05:22:49 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:8qlnf15950rh46cv624n0mm4ficgou9t1v@4ax.com... > But I bet he wasn't a saint. > > Indiana Mike > > PS-I heard one had to meet some criteria to be deemed a saint. Two of > the criteria are to have at least three miracles and then, of coarse, > one must be dead. > > Are you listening, Jeff? > > Brain dead doesn't count. Brain dead by itself doesn't count as a miracle but brain dead and still able to post to an NG, now that should count for something. As for the other two miracles, we probably don't understand because we are unworthy. As far as him being dead, well I did suggest that he take that step in an earlier post and I don't think I'm the first person to suggest it. I wasn't aware of this added reason for him to bring about his own demise. I'll bet that if he does take his own life, however, it would really put a crimp in his application for canonization. Well what are you going to do? It isn't always easy to make the big choices.             Date: 12 Aug 2005 16:42:10 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11foqn3fk90rv23@news.supernews.com... > > "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote in message > news:8qlnf15950rh46cv624n0mm4ficgou9t1v@4ax.com... >> But I bet he wasn't a saint. >> >> Indiana Mike >> >> PS-I heard one had to meet some criteria to be deemed a saint. Two of >> the criteria are to have at least three miracles and then, of coarse, >> one must be dead. >> >> Are you listening, Jeff? >> >> Brain dead doesn't count. > > Brain dead by itself doesn't count as a miracle but brain dead and still > able to post to an NG, now that should count for something. As for the > other two miracles, we probably don't understand because we are unworthy. > As far as him being dead, well I did suggest that he take that step in an > earlier post and I don't think I'm the first person to suggest it. I > wasn't aware of this added reason for him to bring about his own demise. > I'll bet that if he does take his own life, however, it would really put a > crimp in his application for canonization. Well what are you going to do? > It isn't always easy to make the big choices. I am not planning to die at all, but rather to ascend into Heaven like our Blessed Virgin y. As I ascend, I will hurt curses and heap insults on the denizens of ARBR. It will be my final contribution to the group. Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows, Minnesota > >           Date: 11 Aug 2005 19:20:43 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:8qlnf15950rh46cv624n0mm4ficgou9t1v@4ax.com... > On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:54:43 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> > wrote: > >> >>"Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote in message >>news:11fmuu6q3jdhv91@news.supernews.com... >>> Wayne, >>> >>> I really enjoy your posts and my comment is certainly not meant to be at >>> all insulting but you are either very good at this or you have way too >>> much time on your hands. >>[...] >> >>I too appreciate Wayne LoGo, the Poet of ARBR, but he has to stay off of >>excrement. Talent is one thing, but taste is far more important. Talent >>without taste is wasted. Mozart had both and is generally regarded as the >>greatest classical composer who ever lived because of it. > > But I bet he wasn't a saint. > > Indiana Mike Poor Mozart led a very tragic life. He is generally regarded as the greatest musical genius who ever lived, but not necessarily the greatest composer. I give that place of honor to Beethoven. The trouble with Mozart is that he was eternally trapped in the classical era. He perfected all the forms, but there is no place to go once perfection has been achieved. It took a giant like Beethoven to move music along to a new plateau. I am stuck in the Beethoven era. It would not matter to me in the least if no music had ever been composed after Beethoven. Well, that is not entirely true as I would miss those composers who came immediately after Beethoven. I would also not want to live without Brahms. But great music died shortly after the turn of the last century. There has been nothing composed in the last 50 years except the most god awful tripe. Anyone here on ARBR know of any piece of recent music that a Beethoven lover would want to listen to? > PS-I heard one had to meet some criteria to be deemed a saint. Two of > the criteria are to have at least three miracles and then, of coarse, > one must be dead. > > Are you listening, Jeff? > > Brain dead doesn't count. My saintliness only becomes apparent when compared to the usual run of slobs and jerks who inhabit the world in great numbers. Most will never achieve sainthood because they are trapped by sex. It is too bad really because it is such a small thing, but it looms big in the minds of midgets and dwarfs. Unless you can overcome your base instincts and natural appetites, you will never become a Great Saint like me. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 09 Aug 2005 17:41:43 From: ROTB Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Edward Dolan wrote: > I am trying to figure out if drinking vino has any effect on my blood > pressure. I have one of the highest known blood pressures in the universe > (240/120). That is what most of my meds are for - to bring down my BP and > put it in a normal range. So far, I don't think the vino has any effect > provided I don't overdue it. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota That tells us quite a lot about Mr. Ed. Blood pressure medication is a notorious impotence-inducer. And someone with a pressure as high as that must be taking quite a few potent meds at high doses. It would seem to me that Mr. Ed has a limp noodle, and takes out his sexual frustrations on ARBR. (By the way, Mr. "they're only typos, not misspellings", it's "overdo", not "overdue". I don't think mistaking a "ue" for an "o" qualifies as a typo.) --ROTB     Date: 10 Aug 2005 09:40:54 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR It would seem that our St. D suffers the same type of logical self-deception that is common to conservatives (or anyone else who actually refuses to think for that matter). Since sex's priy function is procreation he concludes that the non-procreative purposes are not relevant. By that idiotic logic, St. D should kill himself immediately. Allow me to explain. It appears (to non-religious types of which St. D claims to be a member) that the only purpose of life itself is replication of genetic material. Since St. D has openly admitted that he does not intend to replicate his genetic material, he should stop using the resources that those of us who do might need. If he does not intend to reproduce then he is committing a sin against the science that he so claims to love. He should therefore kill himself immediately. I'm sure he will respond with some other purpose that he believes his life serves but that answer will not be a scientific one. It will be something that he believes to be true which is also called religion. The only scientific purpose for living is to reproduce. Most organisms don't live much past the age of reproduction. Some even die while reproducing or they die in order to reproduce. I will be expecting St. D, suicide note / post in the near future since he is a man of science. Those of us whose thinking is not quite so rigid are permitted to live and enjoy life. That would include sex. One last thing, St. D. being the master baiter that he is will no doubt respond to this post with some sort of insult. He will remind me that I am fat (there's something I didn't know), or that I'm a Jew (another surprise), or that I'm liberal, or that I'm all of the above and therefore beneath contempt. He might throw in that I support abortion (which he says means that I'm a murderer). All of this has nothing to do with the material that I just posted but it will be the only thing that he can say that has anything to do with facts. He has in the past suggested that I kill myself but I say that science dictates that he either get busy reproducing or drop dead! Sorry to break the bad new St. D, but I, like you, am devoted to science. Jeff "ROTB" <rotb1@aol.com > wrote in message news:1123634503.485120.57300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > That tells us quite a lot about Mr. Ed. Blood pressure medication is a > notorious impotence-inducer. And someone with a pressure as high as > that must be taking quite a few potent meds at high doses. It would > seem to me that Mr. Ed has a limp noodle, and takes out his sexual > frustrations on ARBR. (By the way, Mr. "they're only typos, not > misspellings", it's "overdo", not "overdue". I don't think mistaking a > "ue" for an "o" qualifies as a typo.) > > --ROTB >       Date: 17 Aug 2005 08:35:30 From: Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Edward Dolan wrote: > <perryb67@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1124228479.755885.287610@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > Gee Ed, I see you can't respond to the post! ADHD? > > SNIP........... > What is ADHD? > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota Ed, And you call youself intelligent! Perhaps if you had done something besides live in mommy and daddys house for the past 30 some years, off their inheritance, you would know what ADHD is! Enjoy, Perry B         Date: 18 Aug 2005 06:56:04 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR <perryb67@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1124292930.945931.71190@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > And you call youself intelligent! You nailed it here with your language. St. D. "Calls himself intelligent". That does not make it so, however. I can call myself Superman or Zorro. I can even go around in a cape and costume. None of that would make me anything other than a fool. St. D. says he is an intellectual. He also claims to have given up reading. Sounds like an intellectual to me. ADD is a good guess but he also seems to suffer from delusions and a persecution complex. Both of these are outside of the scope of ADD or ADHD. While there does not seem to be any evidence of dementia, he does have short term memory problems, however. I think we must seek and alternate diagnosis. Jeff           Date: 18 Aug 2005 06:26:17 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message news:11g8qbregnodicc@news.supernews.com... > > <perryb67@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1124292930.945931.71190@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> And you call youself intelligent! > > You nailed it here with your language. St. D. "Calls himself intelligent". > That does not make it so, however. I can call myself Superman or Zorro. I > can even go around in a cape and costume. None of that would make me > anything other than a fool. > > St. D. says he is an intellectual. He also claims to have given up > reading. Sounds like an intellectual to me. > > ADD is a good guess but he also seems to suffer from delusions and a > persecution complex. Both of these are outside of the scope of ADD or > ADHD. While there does not seem to be any evidence of dementia, he does > have short term memory problems, however. > > I think we must seek and alternate diagnosis. > > Jeff Ah, 'tis balm to my soul to be confronted with the likes of Jeff Grippe. The only thing to be said for this fool is that he at least uses his own name, unlike many of the other cowards and knaves who reside on this newsgroup. Well, where to begin. Here we have a simpleton who thinks that liberalism is the answer to all the ills of the world. If only we would all get along with one another, the world would be so much nicer. In the meantime, others mean to blow him to kingdom come and drive all his ilk (Jews) into the sea. But Jeff goes on his way wanting to kill all the unborn babies in the world so as to spare the world of unwanted children. However, he is also into sex big time ("if it moves, fuck it"). He thinks sex is something to be enjoyed since there is an orgasm connected with it. Obviously, his brain is in his gonads. Maybe that would account for the fact that he is incapable of posting in the correct manner. Poor Jeff is sitting on his brain instead of using it. What is this ADD and ADHD? Gobbledygook to you too! -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 17 Aug 2005 17:56:23 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR <perryb67@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1124292930.945931.71190@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> <perryb67@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1124228479.755885.287610@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... >> > Gee Ed, I see you can't respond to the post! ADHD? >> >> SNIP........... > >> What is ADHD? >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > Ed, > > And you call youself intelligent! Perhaps if you had done something > besides live in mommy and daddys house for the past 30 some years, off > their inheritance, you would know what ADHD is! > > Enjoy, > > Perry B So don't tell me. Who gives a rat's ass? You can rest assured of one thing - I will never do any research in connection with you and/or your idiotic posts. You still leading your computer students astray by giving them one bum steer after another? I expect you to be sued one of these days by your students for dereliction of duty and pretending to be someone that you aren't. It is just a matter of time until even those Scandinavian dumbbells in Alexandria discover what a fraud you are. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota PS. It is only total idiots who are sensitive about what they know and what they do not know. Great intellects like myself know that everyone is ignorant more or less on all subjects. The stest people in the world admit freely that they do not know much at all. Anyone who claims otherwise is an idiot. Perry strikes me as one of those idiots, ever the hallk of an inferior teacher who is not sure about himself.       Date: 10 Aug 2005 20:30:06 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message news:11fk10uiq6k1h13@news.supernews.com... > It would seem that our St. D suffers the same type of logical > self-deception that is common to conservatives (or anyone else who > actually refuses to think for that matter). > > Since sex's priy function is procreation he concludes that the > non-procreative purposes are not relevant. By that idiotic logic, St. D > should kill himself immediately. Allow me to explain. > > It appears (to non-religious types of which St. D claims to be a member) > that the only purpose of life itself is replication of genetic material. > Since St. D has openly admitted that he does not intend to replicate his > genetic material, he should stop using the resources that those of us who > do might need. If he does not intend to reproduce then he is committing a > sin against the science that he so claims to love. He should therefore > kill himself immediately. I use minimal resources. I am not a glutton and a hog like Jeff Grippe. The only purpose of the world being in existence prior to my coming was to make my life possible for me in the style to which I would like to be accustomed. If there is one thing I hate above all else, it is new construction. My God, the world has had thousands of years to get ready from my coming and they still did not get it accomplished. > I'm sure he will respond with some other purpose that he believes his life > serves but that answer will not be a scientific one. It will be something > that he believes to be true which is also called religion. The only > scientific purpose for living is to reproduce. Most organisms don't live > much past the age of reproduction. Some even die while reproducing or they > die in order to reproduce. All the above is only too true. Only the species counts. Individuals do not count. > I will be expecting St. D, suicide note / post in the near future since he > is a man of science. > > Those of us whose thinking is not quite so rigid are permitted to live and > enjoy life. That would include sex. Sex is not something to be "enjoyed." It is serious business and is only for the purpose of reproduction. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a sinner, deserving of everlasting damnation and hellfire. [...] > He has in the past suggested that I kill myself but I say that science > dictates that he either get busy reproducing or drop dead! Sorry to break > the bad new St. D, but I, like you, am devoted to science. It is OK to live your life and not reproduce once you forego sex. However, if you are into sex, then you are into reproduction. What is so difficult to understand about this? If I thought there was a great shortage of human beings in the world I might get busy myself. But I have always thought exactly the opposite. There are way too many human beings in the world. Therefore, my contribution to the world ecology has been not to reproduce. Plenty of other idiots are doing that and as a result the world ecology is becoming unbalanced with way too many humans. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota         Date: 21 Aug 2005 05:02:22 From: Johnny ReBike Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On 10-Aug-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > ... > It is OK to live your life and not reproduce once you forego sex. However, > > if you are into sex, then you are into reproduction. What is so difficult > to > understand about this? > > If I thought there was a great shortage of human beings in the world I > might > get busy myself. But I have always thought exactly the opposite. There are > > way too many human beings in the world. Therefore, my contribution to the > world ecology has been not to reproduce. Plenty of other idiots are doing > that and as a result the world ecology is becoming unbalanced with way too > > many humans. Hey Eddie D., A lot of people on ARBR think you should go and f..., er copulate with yourself. -- Johnny ReBike ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----           Date: 21 Aug 2005 02:09:28 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com > wrote in message news:1124600696_557@spool6-east.superfeed.net... > > On 10-Aug-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> ... >> It is OK to live your life and not reproduce once you forego sex. >> However, >> >> if you are into sex, then you are into reproduction. What is so difficult >> to >> understand about this? >> >> If I thought there was a great shortage of human beings in the world I >> might >> get busy myself. But I have always thought exactly the opposite. There >> are >> >> way too many human beings in the world. Therefore, my contribution to the >> world ecology has been not to reproduce. Plenty of other idiots are doing >> that and as a result the world ecology is becoming unbalanced with way >> too >> >> many humans. > > Hey Eddie D., > > A lot of people on ARBR think you should go and f..., er copulate with > yourself. A lot of people on ARBR are fools like you. So what else is new? -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 11 Aug 2005 09:11:18 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Top Posted for your enjoyment..." Well it would appear that our St. D responded as predicted: 1. Insults: "glutton" and "hog" along with mention by name. 2. Religion: "The only purpose of the world ... make my life possible". I would not call number 2 a flaw. Most of us believe that the world is constructed as we believe it to be. That is most of us have our own personal "religion". This include St. D and most certainly includes me. The only difference between most people (including St. D) and me is that I enjoy finding and questioning my basic assumptions. St. D continues to call his opinion "science" although it clearly isn't and he defends his position by being insulting and vulgar while at the same time attributing those same qualities to the people that he is insulting. So here's to St. D, whose most outstanding achievement in life is to have posted more messages to this group than anyone else. We will celebrate this achievement without pointing out that there is a huge difference between quantity and quality. Ooops. I just did point it out. Well mistakes do happen. As for me, I'll be hanging with the sinners. Jeff "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:8budnXkFy9u_N2ffRVn-jg@prairiewave.com... > > "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote in message > news:11fk10uiq6k1h13@news.supernews.com... >> It would seem that our St. D suffers the same type of logical >> self-deception that is common to conservatives (or anyone else who >> actually refuses to think for that matter). >> >> Since sex's priy function is procreation he concludes that the >> non-procreative purposes are not relevant. By that idiotic logic, St. D >> should kill himself immediately. Allow me to explain. >> >> It appears (to non-religious types of which St. D claims to be a member) >> that the only purpose of life itself is replication of genetic material. >> Since St. D has openly admitted that he does not intend to replicate his >> genetic material, he should stop using the resources that those of us who >> do might need. If he does not intend to reproduce then he is committing a >> sin against the science that he so claims to love. He should therefore >> kill himself immediately. > > I use minimal resources. I am not a glutton and a hog like Jeff Grippe. > The only purpose of the world being in existence prior to my coming was to > make my life possible for me in the style to which I would like to be > accustomed. If there is one thing I hate above all else, it is new > construction. My God, the world has had thousands of years to get ready > from my coming and they still did not get it accomplished. > >> I'm sure he will respond with some other purpose that he believes his >> life serves but that answer will not be a scientific one. It will be >> something that he believes to be true which is also called religion. The >> only scientific purpose for living is to reproduce. Most organisms don't >> live much past the age of reproduction. Some even die while reproducing >> or they die in order to reproduce. > > All the above is only too true. Only the species counts. Individuals do > not count. > >> I will be expecting St. D, suicide note / post in the near future since >> he is a man of science. >> >> Those of us whose thinking is not quite so rigid are permitted to live >> and enjoy life. That would include sex. > > Sex is not something to be "enjoyed." It is serious business and is only > for the purpose of reproduction. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a sinner, > deserving of everlasting damnation and hellfire. > [...] > >> He has in the past suggested that I kill myself but I say that science >> dictates that he either get busy reproducing or drop dead! Sorry to break >> the bad new St. D, but I, like you, am devoted to science. > > It is OK to live your life and not reproduce once you forego sex. However, > if you are into sex, then you are into reproduction. What is so difficult > to understand about this? > > If I thought there was a great shortage of human beings in the world I > might get busy myself. But I have always thought exactly the opposite. > There are way too many human beings in the world. Therefore, my > contribution to the world ecology has been not to reproduce. Plenty of > other idiots are doing that and as a result the world ecology is becoming > unbalanced with way too many humans. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > >           Date: 18 Aug 2005 10:27:29 From: Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Edward Dolan wrote: > What is this ADD and ADHD? Gobbledygook to you too! > > -- > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota Ed, Been a long time since you've been out of mommy and daddy's house? Have you read a newspaper or magazine in the last 20+ years? And you call youself intelligent! I know people that are so st they're stupid, but even you don't fall into that category. Enjoy, Perry B             Date: 18 Aug 2005 18:29:13 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR <perryb67@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1124386049.550696.18030@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> What is this ADD and ADHD? Gobbledygook to you too! >> >> -- >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > Ed, > > Been a long time since you've been out of mommy and daddy's house? > > Have you read a newspaper or magazine in the last 20+ years? > > And you call youself intelligent! I know people that are so st > they're stupid, but even you don't fall into that category. Nothing but name calling going on here folks. But Perry does not even do that well. Minnesotans, northern variety, are exceptionally stupid which Perry proves every time he posts. Does Perry have a fixation on his parents? Did his mommy and daddy do him wrong? I am beginning to suspect sexual abuse when he was a child. I can recommend a good psychoanalyst to help him if he is interested. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota           Date: 11 Aug 2005 18:29:39 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message news:11fmjnjhe2d0tb3@news.supernews.com... > "Top Posted for your enjoyment..." > > Well it would appear that our St. D responded as predicted: > > 1. Insults: "glutton" and "hog" along with mention by name. Jeff, I will not insult you if you lay off the sexual allusions. There is no reason for it. We can have some fun with one another and with the group without insulting one another. Those who go to sexual allusions will reap my wrath. > 2. Religion: "The only purpose of the world ... make my life possible". > > I would not call number 2 a flaw. Most of us believe that the world is > constructed as we believe it to be. That is most of us have our own > personal "religion". This include St. D and most certainly includes me. > The only difference between most people (including St. D) and me is that I > enjoy finding and questioning my basic assumptions. Well, I used to do that too when I was young and ignorant, but now that I am old and wise I do not see any reason to be questioning my basic assumptions. As you are no spring chicken yourself, I suggest you come to some final conclusions and abjure all questioning of basic assumptions. There is no life beyond the grave you know, so it is now or never. > St. D continues to call his opinion "science" although it clearly isn't > and he defends his position by being insulting and vulgar while at the > same time attributing those same qualities to the people that he is > insulting. Liberal views on abortion are certainly not science. They are nothing but ideology pure and simple. The American people do not agree with liberals on most moral issues and in fact think liberals are immoral. That is the major reason that liberals can no longer win national elections. > So here's to St. D, whose most outstanding achievement in life is to have > posted more messages to this group than anyone else. We will celebrate > this achievement without pointing out that there is a huge difference > between quantity and quality. Ooops. I just did point it out. Well > mistakes do happen. Compare my posts to those of Tom Sherman and you will quickly see who has quality and who has inanity. I am soon to be not only the most prolific poster to ARBR ever, but I am also the most content ladened poster. That is why I am Ed Dolan the Great. It is a mere dividend to the group that I am also Saint Edward the Great and can instruct the rest of you slobs on morality, especially sexual morality. > As for me, I'll be hanging with the sinners. Never boast of sinfulness. God has been known to rise up and strike sinners dead on the spot. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:8budnXkFy9u_N2ffRVn-jg@prairiewave.com... >> >> "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote in message >> news:11fk10uiq6k1h13@news.supernews.com... >>> It would seem that our St. D suffers the same type of logical >>> self-deception that is common to conservatives (or anyone else who >>> actually refuses to think for that matter). >>> >>> Since sex's priy function is procreation he concludes that the >>> non-procreative purposes are not relevant. By that idiotic logic, St. D >>> should kill himself immediately. Allow me to explain. >>> >>> It appears (to non-religious types of which St. D claims to be a member) >>> that the only purpose of life itself is replication of genetic material. >>> Since St. D has openly admitted that he does not intend to replicate his >>> genetic material, he should stop using the resources that those of us >>> who do might need. If he does not intend to reproduce then he is >>> committing a sin against the science that he so claims to love. He >>> should therefore kill himself immediately. >> >> I use minimal resources. I am not a glutton and a hog like Jeff Grippe. >> The only purpose of the world being in existence prior to my coming was >> to make my life possible for me in the style to which I would like to be >> accustomed. If there is one thing I hate above all else, it is new >> construction. My God, the world has had thousands of years to get ready >> from my coming and they still did not get it accomplished. >> >>> I'm sure he will respond with some other purpose that he believes his >>> life serves but that answer will not be a scientific one. It will be >>> something that he believes to be true which is also called religion. The >>> only scientific purpose for living is to reproduce. Most organisms don't >>> live much past the age of reproduction. Some even die while reproducing >>> or they die in order to reproduce. >> >> All the above is only too true. Only the species counts. Individuals do >> not count. >> >>> I will be expecting St. D, suicide note / post in the near future since >>> he is a man of science. >>> >>> Those of us whose thinking is not quite so rigid are permitted to live >>> and enjoy life. That would include sex. >> >> Sex is not something to be "enjoyed." It is serious business and is only >> for the purpose of reproduction. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a sinner, >> deserving of everlasting damnation and hellfire. >> [...] >> >>> He has in the past suggested that I kill myself but I say that science >>> dictates that he either get busy reproducing or drop dead! Sorry to >>> break the bad new St. D, but I, like you, am devoted to science. >> >> It is OK to live your life and not reproduce once you forego sex. >> However, if you are into sex, then you are into reproduction. What is so >> difficult to understand about this? >> >> If I thought there was a great shortage of human beings in the world I >> might get busy myself. But I have always thought exactly the opposite. >> There are way too many human beings in the world. Therefore, my >> contribution to the world ecology has been not to reproduce. Plenty of >> other idiots are doing that and as a result the world ecology is becoming >> unbalanced with way too many humans. >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >>             Date: 12 Aug 2005 06:34:50 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:GJmdnZ2dnZ37xPGynZ2dnfRCZt-dnZ2dRVn-yJ2dnZ0@prairiewave.com... > > Jeff, I will not insult you if you lay off the sexual allusions. There is > no reason for it. We can have some fun with one another and with the group > without insulting one another. Those who go to sexual allusions will reap > my wrath. > Ed, your promise to not insult has no credibility. You throw around insults and vulgarity when it suits your purpose. Your ethics are clearly situational and you are the ultimate equivicator. > > Well, I used to do that too when I was young and ignorant, but now that I > am old and wise I do not see any reason to be questioning my basic > assumptions. As you are no spring chicken yourself, I suggest you come to > some final conclusions and abjure all questioning of basic assumptions. > There is no life beyond the grave you know, so it is now or never. > The reason to question your basic assumptions Ed is because like all assumptions they are inaccurate. The world is not as you believe it to be. What you believe to be true is based on your ability to percieve and your education (and I don't mean formal). This is science by the way. So by ceasing to question and limiting your growth you have become old and ignorant. I don't claim any special knowledge that you don't have. Infact I claim quite the reverse. You have made the choice to get stuck in one particular lie. I prefer to continue to refine and change my lie. It is all lies as is everything from a human point of view. What lies beyond the grave does not concern me. It isn't now or never, however, it just now and always now. > > Liberal views on abortion are certainly not science. They are nothing but > ideology pure and simple. The American people do not agree with liberals > on most moral issues and in fact think liberals are immoral. That is the > major reason that liberals can no longer win national elections. > Everything that humans believe is ideology. The rest of the abortion stuff we've been through before and there's no need to revisit it now. As to who wins national elections, there is always another one and may the will of the people be served. > Never boast of sinfulness. God has been known to rise up and strike > sinners dead on the spot. > Yeah right! I live in NYC Ed. I promise you that there are far more sinners running around (and boasting) then are being struck dead. Devine intervention is clearly lacking. It is also worth mentioning that I'm only a sinner by your definition. I don't for a moment believe that the things you believe are sinful actually are. A god with any understanding would not have put pleasures on this planet only to have them be forbidden. That whole myth just doesn't hold up. But for you, I'll rephrase. I'll hang with my crowd (sinners in your book) and you hang with yours (sinners in my book). Peace Ed. Jeff               Date: 21 Aug 2005 19:59:42 From: Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Ed, You're the one living in mommy and daddy's house (not me) AND has the sex fetish! Your response was unconsciously to yourself! LOL! Enjoy, Perry B Edward Dolan wrote: > <perryb67@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1124386049.550696.18030@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> What is this ADD and ADHD? Gobbledygook to you too! > >> > >> -- > >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > > > Ed, > > > > Been a long time since you've been out of mommy and daddy's house? > > > > Have you read a newspaper or magazine in the last 20+ years? > > > > And you call youself intelligent! I know people that are so st > > they're stupid, but even you don't fall into that category. > > Nothing but name calling going on here folks. But Perry does not even do > that well. Minnesotans, northern variety, are exceptionally stupid which > Perry proves every time he posts. > > Does Perry have a fixation on his parents? Did his mommy and daddy do him > wrong? I am beginning to suspect sexual abuse when he was a child. I can > recommend a good psychoanalyst to help him if he is interested. > > -- > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                 Date: 21 Aug 2005 23:05:47 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR <perryb67@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1124679582.578876.302660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Ed, > > You're the one living in mommy and daddy's house (not me) AND has the > sex fetish! Apparently, the day Perry got out of his parents house was a red letter day for him. I also have no doubth his moomy an daddy were eqaully glad to see him go. > > Your response was unconsciously to yourself! LOL! > > Enjoy, > > Perry B > > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> <perryb67@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1124386049.550696.18030@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> What is this ADD and ADHD? Gobbledygook to you too! >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> > >> > Ed, >> > >> > Been a long time since you've been out of mommy and daddy's house? >> > >> > Have you read a newspaper or magazine in the last 20+ years? >> > >> > And you call youself intelligent! I know people that are so st >> > they're stupid, but even you don't fall into that category. >> >> Nothing but name calling going on here folks. But Perry does not even do >> that well. Minnesotans, northern variety, are exceptionally stupid which >> Perry proves every time he posts. >> >> Does Perry have a fixation on his parents? Did his mommy and daddy do him >> wrong? I am beginning to suspect sexual abuse when he was a child. I can >> recommend a good psychoanalyst to help him if he is interested. >> >> -- >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> aka >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota >                   Date: 21 Aug 2005 23:10:11 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:BJCdnXGABNeB0pTeRVn-pA@prairiewave.com... > > <perryb67@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1124679582.578876.302660@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Ed, >> >> You're the one living in mommy and daddy's house (not me) AND has the >> sex fetish! It is amazing to me how I keep hitting Send instead of Spell Check. Apparently, I have a subconscious desire to punch Perry in the nose. Here is the post corrected: > > Apparently, the day Perry got out of his parents house was a red letter > day for him. I also have no doubt his mommy and daddy were equally glad to > see him go. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota               Date: 12 Aug 2005 17:58:40 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11fouu6iuo9tc30@news.supernews.com... > > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:GJmdnZ2dnZ37xPGynZ2dnfRCZt-dnZ2dRVn-yJ2dnZ0@prairiewave.com... >> >> Jeff, I will not insult you if you lay off the sexual allusions. There is >> no reason for it. We can have some fun with one another and with the >> group without insulting one another. Those who go to sexual allusions >> will reap my wrath. >> > > Ed, your promise to not insult has no credibility. You throw around > insults and vulgarity when it suits your purpose. Your ethics are clearly > situational and you are the ultimate equivicator. Just stay off the sexual allusions or I will typecast you in a way you will not like. >> Well, I used to do that too when I was young and ignorant, but now that I >> am old and wise I do not see any reason to be questioning my basic >> assumptions. As you are no spring chicken yourself, I suggest you come to >> some final conclusions and abjure all questioning of basic assumptions. >> There is no life beyond the grave you know, so it is now or never. >> > > The reason to question your basic assumptions Ed is because like all > assumptions they are inaccurate. The world is not as you believe it to be. > What you believe to be true is based on your ability to percieve and your > education (and I don't mean formal). This is science by the way. So by > ceasing to question and limiting your growth you have become old and > ignorant. I don't claim any special knowledge that you don't have. Infact > I claim quite the reverse. You have made the choice to get stuck in one > particular lie. I prefer to continue to refine and change my lie. It is > all lies as is everything from a human point of view. What lies beyond the > grave does not concern me. It isn't now or never, however, it just now and > always now. You will go to your grave never knowing anything for sure, questioning to the end. That is not for me. I have examined all sides of all issues that interest me and have come to some conclusions. You continue to quest like a teenager whereas I have grown wise with age and now know what I know. I have become like the Rock of Gibraltar! It is a privilege for this group to be honored by my august presence. >> Liberal views on abortion are certainly not science. They are nothing but >> ideology pure and simple. The American people do not agree with liberals >> on most moral issues and in fact think liberals are immoral. That is the >> major reason that liberals can no longer win national elections. >> > > Everything that humans believe is ideology. The rest of the abortion stuff > we've been through before and there's no need to revisit it now. As to who > wins national elections, there is always another one and may the will of > the people be served. The liberals will have to convince the American people that they are at least as moral as the Republicans. All the moral values that liberals espouse are disagreed with by most Americans, especially the kind of Americans who vote in national elections. Liberals need to return to the roots of the Demoractic party and become more populist in their thinking. >> Never boast of sinfulness. God has been known to rise up and strike >> sinners dead on the spot. >> > > Yeah right! I live in NYC Ed. I promise you that there are far more > sinners running around (and boasting) then are being struck dead. Devine > intervention is clearly lacking. It is also worth mentioning that I'm only > a sinner by your definition. I don't for a moment believe that the things > you believe are sinful actually are. A god with any understanding would > not have put pleasures on this planet only to have them be forbidden. That > whole myth just doesn't hold up. But for you, I'll rephrase. I'll hang > with my crowd (sinners in your book) and you hang with yours (sinners in > my book). > > Peace Ed. Now that is what I like to see, someone who will speak right out and tell us what he thinks. How refreshing! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                 Date: 23 Aug 2005 18:18:58 From: Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Edward Dolan wrote: > Perry knows what is going on here even if you don't. I REFUSE to look up > anything. It comes from my professional training as a college librarian. Are you sure you had "professional training as a college librarian"? >From what cereal box did you get your degree? No wonder you didn't have a career as a librarian! You obviously missed the reason for libraries! LIBRARIES ARE WHERE YOU GO TO LOOK THINGS UP! Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enjoy, Perry B                   Date: 23 Aug 2005 23:14:33 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR <perryb67@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1124846338.420903.204610@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> Perry knows what is going on here even if you don't. I REFUSE to look up >> anything. It comes from my professional training as a college librarian. > > > Are you sure you had "professional training as a college librarian"? >>From what cereal box did you get your degree? > > No wonder you didn't have a career as a librarian! You obviously > missed the reason for libraries! > > LIBRARIES ARE WHERE YOU GO TO LOOK THINGS UP! > > Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Enjoy, > > Perry B Perry has got it half right, but at least 90% of the students who are in college should not be there. They are way too stupid for anyone to waste time on them. All they want out of life is to maximize their incomes and they think they can do that if they have a college degree. As a librarian I would delight in steering the student in the right direction, but I would absolutely refuse to do any of his work for him. The main function of a librarian is to provide the resources - period. It is up to the student to figure out how to access those resources. The main problem with most librarians is that they want to be TOO helpful. I never made that mistake and I would give the student a good swift kick in the pants in order to get him to do his own freaking research. Of all the students I have ever had the misfortune to deal with, there were only about 10% that were worth bothering with. All the others should have gone to a trade school where they could end up like Perry Butler, a blind man leading the blind. Truth to tell, I am an elitist and believe that a college education ought to be reserve for the privileged few. I am a European at heart and I do not believe in this American obsession with education. All that most slobs need in this world is a high school education with a trade school thrown in at the end so that the working man can get an income from their miserable jobs. Real education and real life is reserved for Great souls like myself. The unexamined life is not worth living and that is the kind of life that most men lead. I give you Perry Butler as an example of what I am talking about. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                     Date: 24 Aug 2005 06:48:11 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR You were in a public service profession? That is a mind-numbing concept if ever there was one. "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:RfmdnWp4s7-xaZbeRVn-gQ@prairiewave.com... > > <perryb67@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1124846338.420903.204610@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> >> Edward Dolan wrote: >> >>> Perry knows what is going on here even if you don't. I REFUSE to look up >>> anything. It comes from my professional training as a college librarian. >> >> >> Are you sure you had "professional training as a college librarian"? >>>From what cereal box did you get your degree? >> >> No wonder you didn't have a career as a librarian! You obviously >> missed the reason for libraries! >> >> LIBRARIES ARE WHERE YOU GO TO LOOK THINGS UP! >> >> Geez!!!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> Enjoy, >> >> Perry B > > Perry has got it half right, but at least 90% of the students who are in > college should not be there. They are way too stupid for anyone to waste > time on them. All they want out of life is to maximize their incomes and > they think they can do that if they have a college degree. > > As a librarian I would delight in steering the student in the right > direction, but I would absolutely refuse to do any of his work for him. > The main function of a librarian is to provide the resources - period. It > is up to the student to figure out how to access those resources. The main > problem with most librarians is that they want to be TOO helpful. I never > made that mistake and I would give the student a good swift kick in the > pants in order to get him to do his own freaking research. > > Of all the students I have ever had the misfortune to deal with, there > were only about 10% that were worth bothering with. All the others should > have gone to a trade school where they could end up like Perry Butler, a > blind man leading the blind. > > Truth to tell, I am an elitist and believe that a college education ought > to be reserve for the privileged few. I am a European at heart and I do > not believe in this American obsession with education. All that most slobs > need in this world is a high school education with a trade school thrown > in at the end so that the working man can get an income from their > miserable jobs. Real education and real life is reserved for Great souls > like myself. > > The unexamined life is not worth living and that is the kind of life that > most men lead. I give you Perry Butler as an example of what I am talking > about. > > -- > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >                 Date: 20 Aug 2005 00:11:14 From: LoGo USA Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Hey - Bragged the TROLL with false bravado: >I take great pride in my ignorance of acronyms [like] >ADD and ADHD... Guys, guys, please cut some slack for this old TROLL. Although his is a dark and dismal soul, He still has one, and maybe feelings, too. He's ignorant of acronyms, it's true, Not knowing they're initials SAID AS WORDS - But that distinction's mostly just for nerds. The TROLL's position on this issue, team, (Which at first blush may seem a tad extreme) Is really fairly simple, I believe. If he pretends to be a bit naive, Please understand: his ego's very big And fragile as a bone dry tiny twig. He might just snap at any little slight. Initials for conditions cause him fright, As well they maybe might for me or you, If we were in the TROLL's position, too. But 'How' you ask 'could such a strange thing be?' Remember: his initials are ED. Regards, Wayne                   Date: 20 Aug 2005 02:44:23 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message news:1124521874.353795.65560@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Hey - > > Bragged the TROLL with false bravado: > >>I take great pride in my ignorance of acronyms [like] >>ADD and ADHD... > > Guys, guys, please cut some slack for this old TROLL. > Although his is a dark and dismal soul, > He still has one, and maybe feelings, too. > He's ignorant of acronyms, it's true, > Not knowing they're initials SAID AS WORDS - > But that distinction's mostly just for nerds. There are millions of acronyms and it is a fool's errand to bother with 99.99% of them. How would you say, as a word, ADHD? Since you can't say it, it must not be an acronym. However, you can say ADD. So ADD is an acronym? But hell will freeze over before I ever look up any of this nonsense. > The TROLL's position on this issue, team, > (Which at first blush may seem a tad extreme) > Is really fairly simple, I believe. > If he pretends to be a bit naive, > Please understand: his ego's very big > And fragile as a bone dry tiny twig. > > He might just snap at any little slight. > Initials for conditions cause him fright, > As well they maybe might for me or you, > If we were in the TROLL's position, too. > But 'How' you ask 'could such a strange thing be?' > Remember: his initials are ED. I do not use my initials ever. I am always either Ed or Edward, although some on this group have lately taken to calling me Eddie. No one has called me Eddie since I was 12 years old. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                 Date: 13 Aug 2005 09:30:10 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:NYmdnZjW-Jw6tGDfRVn-pw@prairiewave.com... > You will go to your grave never knowing anything for sure, questioning to > the end. Damn right! The wisdom of the sages has always been knowing that they know nothing. If you want to talk to people who know everything then you should talk to my 12 year old son and his friends. That is a group of people who believe that they have everything figured out. You really have missed some important lessons by not being exposed to children, Ed. > That is not for me. I have examined all sides of all issues that interest > me and have come to some conclusions. You continue to quest like a > teenager whereas You are not capable of examining all sides of anythng wheather it interests you or not. You are only capable of examining things from your point of view which will always be biased. "Knowing what you know" as you put it, has always been folly. "The Earth is Flat", "Bathing causes disease", "The universe has the Earth as its center and everything, including the Sun, revolves around it", "Flies spotaneously occur from garbage" All of these and many more were opinions held by well-educated people who simply didn't question. These facts accorded with what they were capable of observing at the time and were common wisdom. > I have grown wise with age and now know what I know. I have become like > the Rock of Gibraltar! Your metaphor is perfect, by the way. You have become like the rock. But rocks are only unchanging to those who have only limited time to observe. In reality, even the rock is ever changing. It is being eroded and shaped by geological forces. Rocks, however, as far as we know, are not sentient and can not influence how, when, or how much they change. Humans, on the other hand, are capable of that influence. I promise you that the conclusions you have come to are wrong. All conclusions are wrong including the conlcusion contained in this sentence. It is a paradox to be sure. Chew on that for a while if you want to find some wisdom. But don't get sloppy and take the easy way out and return to your prescious conclusions. Basically you are saying that you are either lazy or tired. I have often had the desire to believe in a religion. It would give me so much less to think about. I don't really mean that but I do know how tiring thinking about things can be when you refuse to come to a conclusion. If you revere science as you say that you do then you never stop questioning. Jeff                   Date: 13 Aug 2005 18:44:15 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11frtisigjkq36e@news.supernews.com... > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:NYmdnZjW-Jw6tGDfRVn-pw@prairiewave.com... > >> You will go to your grave never knowing anything for sure, questioning to >> the end. > > Damn right! The wisdom of the sages has always been knowing that they know > nothing. If you want to talk to people who know everything then you should > talk to my 12 year old son and his friends. That is a group of people who > believe that they have everything figured out. You really have missed some > important lessons by not being exposed to children, Ed. I have always regarded children as not only ignorant but stupid, totally lacking in judgment. I would as soon listen to my cats yowl as listen to a teenager. Only an adult brain can cope with the mysteries of the universe. >> That is not for me. I have examined all sides of all issues that interest >> me and have come to some conclusions. You continue to quest like a >> teenager whereas > > You are not capable of examining all sides of anythng wheather it > interests you or not. You are only capable of examining things from your > point of view which will always be biased. Ah, but I used to be a liberal when I was young and foolish. You have never yet been a conservative. I wonder who is hopelessly biased? > "Knowing what you know" as you put it, has always been folly. "The Earth > is Flat", "Bathing causes disease", "The universe has the Earth as its > center and everything, including the Sun, revolves around it", "Flies > spotaneously occur from garbage" You are confusing facts with beliefs. People who argue about facts are morons. If you will note carefully, I only argue over beliefs. > All of these and many more were opinions held by well-educated people who > simply didn't question. These facts accorded with what they were capable > of observing at the time and were common wisdom. Once the facts are established, no one but morons will argue about them. >> I have grown wise with age and now know what I know. I have become like >> the Rock of Gibraltar! > > Your metaphor is perfect, by the way. You have become like the rock. But > rocks are only unchanging to those who have only limited time to observe. > In reality, even the rock is ever changing. It is being eroded and shaped > by geological forces. Geological events are glacial and we humans can hardly observe them without very sophisticated scientific instruments. The Rock of Gibraltar will still be there long after you and I have turned to dust. > Rocks, however, as far as we know, are not sentient and can not influence > how, when, or how much they change. Humans, on the other hand, are capable > of that influence. > > I promise you that the conclusions you have come to are wrong. All > conclusions are wrong including the conlcusion contained in this sentence. > It is a paradox to be sure. Chew on that for a while if you want to find > some wisdom. But don't get sloppy and take the easy way out and return to > your prescious conclusions. You do not have a glimmer of how science operates. I am too weary to instruct you in the ways of science. Needless to say, there is truth and there are conclusions, however provisional. Surely there are colleges there in NYC who offer courses in the history of science and/or how science functions in the world of knowledge. > Basically you are saying that you are either lazy or tired. I have often > had the desire to believe in a religion. It would give me so much less to > think about. I don't really mean that but I do know how tiring thinking > about things can be when you refuse to come to a conclusion. > > If you revere science as you say that you do then you never stop > questioning. All science is provisional, but it is never entirely wrong. A less satisfactory explanation is replaced by a more satisfactory explanation. All of this has to be backed up by experiments or evidence of one kind or another which can be replicated or observed by anyone. Religion falls totally into the category of faith. It is belief and that is all it is. However, some beliefs are better than others. The Muslim religion for instance is infinitely inferior to the Christian religion. Science is not based on belief in the same way. But still, science grew out of Western Protestant Christian culture. However, it would take course in the philosophy of science to get you up to speed. I am way too old and tired to bother about any of that. All you are ever going to get from me are my conclusions. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                     Date: 20 Aug 2005 07:26:38 From: LoGo USA Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Hey again gang - Repetitiously rambled the TROLL: >I do not use my initials ever. [followed by his >stock, schlock, much-too-often-restated 'no one >calls me Eddie' monolog] The TROLL, engaged in his obsessive quest, Repeats himself like some insane (possessed?), Bizarrely ranting loner on the streets Echoes a chant to ev'ryone he meets. That he eschews initials we all know, As well as why it might perhaps be so: Folks, E can mean 'Erectile' (as in 'stiff'), And D 'Dysfunction' (meaning 'great big if'). You might think that won't matter to a saint, But still there is a vague, disturbing taint; A virgin maybe should subdue his voice If - bottom line - he didn't have much choice. If some poor guy's out humping on his bike, But it won't stay up, partners will not like To ride with him - recumbent, standing, prone - And he'll quite likely have to ride alone. When cycling - summer, winter, day or night - It's not all bad for one to ride upright. Regards, Wayne                       Date: 20 Aug 2005 16:59:47 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message news:1124547998.583347.135040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Hey again gang - > > Repetitiously rambled the TROLL: > >>I do not use my initials ever. [followed by his >>stock, schlock, much-too-often-restated 'no one >>calls me Eddie' monolog] I always attempt to add a little something to the conversation that is an aside. More often than not, that is the only thing that keeps this newsgroup the least bit interesting. > The TROLL, engaged in his obsessive quest, > Repeats himself like some insane (possessed?), > Bizarrely ranting loner on the streets > Echoes a chant to ev'ryone he meets. Repetition is the key to all learning. Hells Bells, it is the key to even getting through to the thick skulls that are ever present on this group. > That he eschews initials we all know, > As well as why it might perhaps be so: > Folks, E can mean 'Erectile' (as in 'stiff'), > And D 'Dysfunction' (meaning 'great big if'). > > You might think that won't matter to a saint, > But still there is a vague, disturbing taint; > A virgin maybe should subdue his voice > If - bottom line - he didn't have much choice. Saints should never be subdued in the kind of world we are living in today. No, Great Saints like myself should shout and yell our Holiness at the top of our voices that others may awaken from their sinfulness. The very best thing Man ever did on this earth was to invent Hell in order to punish sinners for all eternity. I, Saint Edward the Great, am ever at the ready to condemn and consign others to Hell. > If some poor guy's out humping on his bike, > But it won't stay up, partners will not like > To ride with him - recumbent, standing, prone - > And he'll quite likely have to ride alone. > > When cycling - summer, winter, day or night - > It's not all bad for one to ride upright. Now Wayne LoGo, the Poet of ARBR, is getting into sexual allusions. I will have to take him to the woodshed for a good cracking around his nether parts. He needs to stay off of shit and cum if he is going to realize his potential as a poet. I urge him to get his mind off his groin. Nature (evolution) made a tremendou mistake by polacing the reporductinve fucntion so cleos toe the exretroy fucntion. Ideally the reporductinve fucn shoud be far remoed fromt eh excretory fucntion, maybe in teh uppre abdomen slightly above the somach (navel?). Wayne Logo, the Poet of ARBR, is nto st enough to get his midn away from the groin. He constatnly consufese piss an shit with cum and sperm. But that is why I, Saint Edward teh Great am here, to set your straight and unconfuse you. Piss and shti have to do with excretionl; cum and pserm have to do with reporduction. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                         Date: 20 Aug 2005 17:11:07 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:mdWdnSBe9YtGOpreRVn-rg@prairiewave.com... Damn, I hit Send instead of Spell Check. I think that happens because I constantly want to punch someone in the nose when I am on ARBR. Here it is corrected. > "LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com> wrote in message > news:1124547998.583347.135040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> Hey again gang - >> >> Repetitiously rambled the TROLL: >> >>>I do not use my initials ever. [followed by his >>>stock, schlock, much-too-often-restated 'no one >>>calls me Eddie' monolog] > I always attempt to add a little something to the conversation that is an > aside. More often than not, that is the only thing that keeps this > newsgroup the least bit interesting. >> The TROLL, engaged in his obsessive quest, >> Repeats himself like some insane (possessed?), >> Bizarrely ranting loner on the streets >> Echoes a chant to ev'ryone he meets. > Repetition is the key to all learning. Hells Bells, it is the key to even > getting through to the thick skulls that are ever present on this group. >> That he eschews initials we all know, >> As well as why it might perhaps be so: >> Folks, E can mean 'Erectile' (as in 'stiff'), >> And D 'Dysfunction' (meaning 'great big if'). >> >> You might think that won't matter to a saint, >> But still there is a vague, disturbing taint; >> A virgin maybe should subdue his voice >> If - bottom line - he didn't have much choice. > Saints should never be subdued in the kind of world we are living in > today. No, Great Saints like myself should shout and yell our Holiness at > the top of our voices that others may awaken from their sinfulness. The > very best thing Man ever did on this earth was to invent Hell in order to > punish sinners for all eternity. I, Saint Edward the Great, am ever at > the ready to condemn and consign others to Hell. >> If some poor guy's out humping on his bike, >> But it won't stay up, partners will not like >> To ride with him - recumbent, standing, prone - >> And he'll quite likely have to ride alone. >> >> When cycling - summer, winter, day or night - >> It's not all bad for one to ride upright. > Now Wayne LoGo, the Poet of ARBR, is getting into sexual allusions. I will > have to take him to the woodshed for a good cracking around his nether > parts. He needs to stay off of shit and cum if he is going to realize his > potential as a poet. I urge him to get his mind off his groin. > Nature (evolution) made a tremendous mistake by placing the reproductive > function so close to the excretory function. Ideally the reproductive > function should be far removed from the excretory function, maybe in the > upper abdomen slightly above the stomach (navel?). Wayne Logo, the Poet of > ARBR, is not st enough to get his mind away from the groin. He > constantly confuses piss and shit with cum and sperm. But that is why I, > Saint Edward the Great am here, to set your straight and unconfuse you. > Piss and shit have to do with excretion; cum and sperm have to do with > reproduction. > -- > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                     Date: 13 Aug 2005 20:56:40 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:feCdnSppsM5FGGPfRVn-2w@prairiewave.com... > > Ah, but I used to be a liberal when I was young and foolish. You have > never yet been a conservative. I wonder who is hopelessly biased? > Actually, in both 1968 and 1972 I volunteered for Nixon. In '72 I actually supported McClosky but was very closely tied to the republican party. Talk about young and foolish. In the 70's I managed to cast away the type of labels that you so enjoy. That fact that I lean more to the left these days is just a conclusion that you have decided to draw about me. It doesn't begin to capture who I am, however. > > You are confusing facts with beliefs. People who argue about facts are > morons. If you will note carefully, I only argue over beliefs. > You clearly missed my entire point. Who's to say what are beliefs and what are facts. Those things I mentioned did not appear to be beliefs. They were plain and obvious to the people who believed them. They were science. You seem to not realize that science and the scientific method itself are beliefs. They are far and away the most useful beliefs we have in my opinion. You seem to have an attachment to the things that you call facts. In your opinion, there is no way you could be wrong. But guess what? Time after time someones "sure fire, can't be wrong" fact is proven wrong. > > Once the facts are established, no one but morons will argue about them. > I don't know where you came up with this one. Facts are challenged and discarded all the time in almost every subject. One of my favorite stories (I'd love to know if it is really true although it sounds true) is about a scientist who declared that everything that can be discovered about optics has been discovered. Shortly after that, LASERs were invented. This could be an urban legend but it feel right. Not only do the best minds attack the facts but there is often the outcome of new knowledge gained. When exactly does establishing the facts end? When you look deep enough, science turns into philosophy. I remember when I took "Symbolic Logic" in college it was taught in the philosophy department. I think that it is now taught in Computer Science departments. I had to take Philosophy 101 so that I could take Symbolic Logic. > Geological events are glacial and we humans can hardly observe them > without very sophisticated scientific instruments. The Rock of Gibraltar > will still be there long after you and I have turned to dust. > It is a metaphor. Don't go mixing metaphors and reality. How long is long? The rock is changing constantly even now. It isn't the same today as it was yesterday. That is a fact, my friend. When will it cease to be recognized the way it is now? I neither know nor care. > > You do not have a glimmer of how science operates. I am too weary to > instruct you in the ways of science. Needless to say, there is truth and > there are conclusions, however provisional. Surely there are colleges > there in NYC who offer courses in the history of science and/or how > science functions in the world of knowledge. > Ed, I fear it is you who have these courses lacking in your background. Maybe it is a result of ceasing to read. > All you are ever going to get from me are my conclusions. Clearly that is all you are capable of. Genuine thought eludes you. So be it.                       Date: 13 Aug 2005 21:11:34 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <pinjukeguy@hotmail.com > wrote in message news:11ft5mdnjhnto8c@news.supernews.com... > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:feCdnSppsM5FGGPfRVn-2w@prairiewave.com... >> >> Ah, but I used to be a liberal when I was young and foolish. You have >> never yet been a conservative. I wonder who is hopelessly biased? >> > > Actually, in both 1968 and 1972 I volunteered for Nixon. In '72 I actually > supported McClosky but was very closely tied to the republican party. Talk > about young and foolish. In the 70's I managed to cast away the type of > labels that you so enjoy. That fact that I lean more to the left these > days is just a conclusion that you have decided to draw about me. It > doesn't begin to capture who I am, however. Nixon was a great president and a great man. I miss him more and more now that he is gone. Nixon however, could be quite the liberal from time to time. You only exchanged one set of labels for another set. Anyone who favors abortion is a big time liberal. You might as well own up to it. >> You are confusing facts with beliefs. People who argue about facts are >> morons. If you will note carefully, I only argue over beliefs. >> > > You clearly missed my entire point. Who's to say what are beliefs and what > are facts. Those things I mentioned did not appear to be beliefs. They > were plain and obvious to the people who believed them. They were science. > You seem to not realize that science and the scientific method itself are > beliefs. They are far and away the most useful beliefs we have in my > opinion. The "things that I mentioned" should be part of your present post. You do not know how to edit. Anytime you reference something it must be there for all of us to see. Here it is, but I am not going to keep doing this sort of thing: > "Knowing what you know" as you put it, has always been folly. "The Earth > is Flat", "Bathing causes disease", "The universe has the Earth as its > center and everything, including the Sun, revolves around it", "Flies > spotaneously occur from garbage" All of the above was never scientific knowledge. It was only current knowledge based on the best thinking that was available at the time. It was not science. The fundamental assumptions underlying science and the scientific method are based on a belief all right, but it is way beyond the kind of beliefs that all other knowledge is based on. You do not understand science and what it is based on. You would need a course in the civilization and culture of the West in order to understand where science came from. Isn't it interesting that science only arose in the West at a particular time and place and no other time and place in the world. Something for you to mull over. > You seem to have an attachment to the things that you call facts. In your > opinion, there is no way you could be wrong. But guess what? Time after > time someones "sure fire, can't be wrong" fact is proven wrong. > >> >> Once the facts are established, no one but morons will argue about them. >> > > I don't know where you came up with this one. Facts are challenged and > discarded all the time in almost every subject. One of my favorite stories > (I'd love to know if it is really true although it sounds true) is about a > scientist who declared that everything that can be discovered about optics > has been discovered. Shortly after that, LASERs were invented. This could > be an urban legend but it feel right. Inferior facts (mostly subsidiary facts) in science are replaced by superior facts. If the facts are significant enough, it will change the theories. But the science is never wrong, it is only incomplete and has been superseded by a better set of facts and theories to better explain the phenomena. Elementary my dear Watson! > Not only do the best minds attack the facts but there is often the outcome > of new knowledge gained. When exactly does establishing the facts end? > When you look deep enough, science turns into philosophy. I remember when > I took "Symbolic Logic" in college it was taught in the philosophy > department. I think that it is now taught in Computer Science departments. > I had to take Philosophy 101 so that I could take Symbolic Logic. Philosophy as given in our academic institutions is a dead end. It devolved into nothing but language and semantics and lost any relevance it ever had for mankind. Science on most levels is not philosophy, far from it. I always like to posit the atom bomb as the vindication for all of science and the scientific method. Who can argue with something that can blow you to kingdom come. There is not one man in a thousand who has any understanding of atoms or atomic theory, but everyone understands what works and what doesn't work. The atom bomb works. >> Geological events are glacial and we humans can hardly observe them >> without very sophisticated scientific instruments. The Rock of Gibraltar >> will still be there long after you and I have turned to dust. >> > > It is a metaphor. Don't go mixing metaphors and reality. How long is long? > The rock is changing constantly even now. It isn't the same today as it > was yesterday. That is a fact, my friend. When will it cease to be > recognized the way it is now? I neither know nor care. The Rock of Gibraltar was there for the ancient Greeks and it will be there for your remote ancestors the same as always. The only time scale we humans need concern ourselves with is the human time scale. >> You do not have a glimmer of how science operates. I am too weary to >> instruct you in the ways of science. Needless to say, there is truth and >> there are conclusions, however provisional. Surely there are colleges >> there in NYC who offer courses in the history of science and/or how >> science functions in the world of knowledge. >> > > Ed, I fear it is you who have these courses lacking in your background. > Maybe it is a result of ceasing to read. > >> All you are ever going to get from me are my conclusions. > > Clearly that is all you are capable of. Genuine thought eludes you. So be > it. I have accomplished all the thinking that I ever intend to do and I have come to some conclusions as a result of it. I do not see any reason to keep going over the same old ground forever like some do. You would be well advised to come to some conclusions of your own lest young people think you are nothing but a fool. You know what they say - no fool like an old fool. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                         Date: 21 Aug 2005 12:32:12 From: ROTB Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Edward Dolan wrote: > Nature (evolution) made a tremendou mistake by polacing the reporductinve > fucntion so cleos toe the exretroy fucntion. Ideally the reporductinve fucn > shoud be far remoed fromt eh excretory fucntion, maybe in teh uppre abdomen > slightly above the somach (navel?). Wayne Logo, the Poet of ARBR, is nto > st enough to get his midn away from the groin. He constatnly consufese > piss an shit with cum and sperm. But that is why I, Saint Edward teh Great > am here, to set your straight and unconfuse you. Piss and shti have to do > with excretionl; cum and pserm have to do with reporduction. And he wrote: >Damn, I hit Send instead of Spell Check. Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain!!! Mr. Ed has finally revealed himself to be the Great Imposter! While he tries to pass himself off as a brilliant genius, we now see that, without his trusty spell-checker, he is nothing more than a semi-literate moron. Never have I seen such a long string of misspelled words in a row. And many of the words are not just slightly off (as if simply a typo), but rather horrifically misspelled, showing that the writer doesn't have the slightest clue how to spell these words. Saturday, August 20, 2005 will go down in history as the day that Sir Edward the Great has revealed that he really is just a horse's ass, and will henceforth go by the name Mr. Ed. --ROTB                           Date: 22 Aug 2005 03:33:00 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "ROTB" <rotb1@aol.com > wrote in message news:1124652732.653381.250960@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >>Damn, I hit Send instead of Spell Check. > > Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain!!! Mr. Ed has finally > revealed himself to be the Great Imposter! While he tries to pass > himself off as a brilliant genius, we now see that, without his trusty > spell-checker, he is nothing more than a semi-literate moron. Never > have I seen such a long string of misspelled words in a row. And many > of the words are not just slightly off (as if simply a typo), but > rather horrifically misspelled, showing that the writer doesn't have > the slightest clue how to spell these words. There is another factor at work here besides the fact that I can't type worth a darn. That is that I am posting half a dozen or so messages for every one that others are posting. This group would be mostly dead by now if it weren't for me. Shortly when I leave, you will see this group die completely as only morons and imbeciles will be left to scatter their seed. I will soon become the all time most prolific and prolix poster ever to ARBR (from a single email address) and then it will be my pleasure to leave you to yourselves. That is all that any of you deserve. You certainly don't deserve me. You will become like the Australian bike group which is into nothing but one liners - ever the hallk of idiots. > Saturday, August 20, 2005 will go down in history as the day that Sir > Edward the Great has revealed that he really is just a horse's ass, and > will henceforth go by the name Mr. Ed. Well, Tom the Sherman did that sort of nonsense like forever and never seemed to tire of it. For a grown man he had a very juvenile sense of humor, not to say retarded. However, it doesn't really work with me because my brilliance comes shining through no matter what. Genius like mine can never be denied. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                           Date: 21 Aug 2005 23:29:22 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "ROTB" <rotb1@aol.com > wrote in message news:1124652732.653381.250960@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> Nature (evolution) made a tremendou mistake by polacing the reporductinve >> fucntion so cleos toe the exretroy fucntion. Ideally the reporductinve >> fucn >> shoud be far remoed fromt eh excretory fucntion, maybe in teh uppre >> abdomen >> slightly above the somach (navel?). Wayne Logo, the Poet of ARBR, is nto >> st enough to get his midn away from the groin. He constatnly consufese >> piss an shit with cum and sperm. But that is why I, Saint Edward teh >> Great >> am here, to set your straight and unconfuse you. Piss and shti have to do >> with excretionl; cum and pserm have to do with reporduction. > > And he wrote: > >>Damn, I hit Send instead of Spell Check. > > Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain!!! Mr. Ed has finally > revealed himself to be the Great Imposter! While he tries to pass > himself off as a brilliant genius, we now see that, without his trusty > spell-checker, he is nothing more than a semi-literate moron. Never > have I seen such a long string of misspelled words in a row. And many > of the words are not just slightly off (as if simply a typo), but > rather horrifically misspelled, showing that the writer doesn't have > the slightest clue how to spell these words. All you have witnessed is the fact that I can't type worth a darn. I have repeatedly told this group that. I type very fast as I think very fast and so of course I only get the gist of many words down. For the first couple of years I did not have a spell check and I had to correct all the typos myself. The spell check is a big aid in correcting the typos and speeding up the process. What really amazes me is how I make the same old typos over and over. Apparently I cannot type the word the. It always comes out teh. But also invariably comes out btu. Nothing but typos of course. I should have taken typing classes when I was in high school, but it seemed at the time that only the girls took that course. I never wanted to be a typist, that is for sure. There are a few words which will trip me up every time I must admit. But even so, I have a doubt when the spelling is not correct, but I am sometimes too lazy to check on it. Believe you me, if I were writing to anyone except the morons and imbeciles who populate this newsgroup in great numbers, everything would be letter perfect. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                         Date: 14 Aug 2005 05:51:29 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:TMmdnUav4LnCNWPfRVn-vw@prairiewave.com... > > You only exchanged one set of labels for another set. Anyone who favors > abortion is a big time liberal. You might as well own up to it. > I never denied it. All I'm saying is that labels, especially in your hands, are inadequate. > The "things that I mentioned" should be part of your present post. You do > not know how to edit. Anytime you reference something it must be there for > all of us to see. > You do it your way, I'll do it mine. There is not and never will be one correct way to post. > Inferior facts (mostly subsidiary facts) in science are replaced by > superior facts. If the facts are significant enough, it will change the > theories. But the science is never wrong, it is only incomplete and has > been superseded by a better set of facts and theories to better explain > the phenomena. Elementary my dear Watson! > You are only able to say this from where you stand today. Everyone thinks they have the best facts and then guess what? They are wrong. It is all very well for you to stand up and say "Now we have finally arrived at the truth". If you actually believe that then you are as ignorant as those who thought that the Earth was flat or at the center of the universe. That was the point. >> Not only do the best minds attack the facts but there is often the >> outcome of new knowledge gained. When exactly does establishing the facts >> end? When you look deep enough, science turns into philosophy. I remember >> when I took "Symbolic Logic" in college it was taught in the philosophy >> department. I think that it is now taught in Computer Science >> departments. I had to take Philosophy 101 so that I could take Symbolic >> Logic. > > Philosophy as given in our academic institutions is a dead end. It > devolved into nothing but language and semantics and lost any relevance it > ever had for mankind. Science on most levels is not philosophy, far from > it. I always like to posit the atom bomb as the vindication for all of > science and the scientific method. Who can argue with something that can > blow you to kingdom come. There is not one man in a thousand who has any > understanding of atoms or atomic theory, but everyone understands what > works and what doesn't work. The atom bomb works. Once again you missed the point and countered with an unrelated and irrelevant point. First to your point: You are absolutely correct that you don't need to understand something in order to use it. That is an obvious truism and it has little do with my point. My point (repeated for your enjoyment): Not only do the best minds attack the facts but there is often the outcome of new knowledge gained. This was the answer to your saying something like "Only an idiot would question the fact". I am beginning to sse why you quote entire fragments. It is because you need to. If I didn't, you apparently wouldn't remember what you said before. You answer one arguement with another that may or may not make sense but it is often unrelated to the arguement you are answering. The reason to quote you better is not because I want to appeal to your rediculous standards but because you cheat. Your habit of not thinking anymore has made you sloppy. > >>> Geological events are glacial and we humans can hardly observe them >>> without very sophisticated scientific instruments. The Rock of Gibraltar >>> will still be there long after you and I have turned to dust. >>> >> >> It is a metaphor. Don't go mixing metaphors and reality. How long is >> long? The rock is changing constantly even now. It isn't the same today >> as it was yesterday. That is a fact, my friend. When will it cease to be >> recognized the way it is now? I neither know nor care. > > The Rock of Gibraltar was there for the ancient Greeks and it will be > there for your remote ancestors the same as always. The only time scale we > humans need concern ourselves with is the human time scale. > This is too idiotic a statement. I don't know where to begin. Like you I don't have time to go back and teach you all of the the 100 level courses that you should have taken. You are talking nonsence, however. > I have accomplished all the thinking that I ever intend to do and I have > come to some conclusions as a result of it. I do not see any reason to > keep going over the same old ground forever like some do. Clearly this is the case. It is why having a discussion with you is close to pointless. But somehow I keep doing it. At this point, however, I see it more as an exercise to see how well my ideas can be expressed and how well they stand up. > You would be well advised to come to some conclusions of your own lest > young people think you are nothing but a fool. You know what they say - no > fool like an old fool. > Yes, I know what they say. That isn't meant to be a compliment Ed.                           Date: 14 Aug 2005 22:40:07 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <pinjukeguy@hotmail.com > wrote in message news:11fu51145kcpja5@news.supernews.com... > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:TMmdnUav4LnCNWPfRVn-vw@prairiewave.com... >> >> You only exchanged one set of labels for another set. Anyone who favors >> abortion is a big time liberal. You might as well own up to it. >> > > I never denied it. All I'm saying is that labels, especially in your > hands, are inadequate. Labels are labels and serve very useful functions, no matter who uses them. >> The "things that I mentioned" should be part of your present post. You do >> not know how to edit. Anytime you reference something it must be there >> for all of us to see. >> > > You do it your way, I'll do it mine. There is not and never will be one > correct way to post. There is a right way and there is a wrong way. You frequently post the wrong way, which Is why I shall give you short shrift when you do so. I do not have enough time left in my life to correct your posts. >> Inferior facts (mostly subsidiary facts) in science are replaced by >> superior facts. If the facts are significant enough, it will change the >> theories. But the science is never wrong, it is only incomplete and has >> been superseded by a better set of facts and theories to better explain >> the phenomena. Elementary my dear Watson! >> > > You are only able to say this from where you stand today. Everyone thinks > they have the best facts and then guess what? They are wrong. It is all > very well for you to stand up and say "Now we have finally arrived at the > truth". If you actually believe that then you are as ignorant as those who > thought that the Earth was flat or at the center of the universe. That was > the point. I am talking about science and it's facts which no one intelligent will argue about. The "knowledge" that the earth was flat was never based on any science. Remember, science was a very late invention in the history of mankind. >>> Not only do the best minds attack the facts but there is often the >>> outcome of new knowledge gained. When exactly does establishing the >>> facts end? When you look deep enough, science turns into philosophy. I >>> remember when I took "Symbolic Logic" in college it was taught in the >>> philosophy department. I think that it is now taught in Computer Science >>> departments. I had to take Philosophy 101 so that I could take Symbolic >>> Logic. >> >> Philosophy as given in our academic institutions is a dead end. It >> devolved into nothing but language and semantics and lost any relevance >> it ever had for mankind. Science on most levels is not philosophy, far >> from it. I always like to posit the atom bomb as the vindication for all >> of science and the scientific method. Who can argue with something that >> can blow you to kingdom come. There is not one man in a thousand who has >> any understanding of atoms or atomic theory, but everyone understands >> what works and what doesn't work. The atom bomb works. > > Once again you missed the point and countered with an unrelated and > irrelevant point. You are unable to follow a train of thought. It is the hallk of the uneducated mind. Remind me never to run anything too complicated pass you. > First to your point: You are absolutely correct that you don't need to > understand something in order to use it. That is an obvious truism and it > has little do with my point. But as a result of this phenomena, those otherwise too ignorant to understand something nevertheless do not question the knowledge that it is based on - because it works. Joe Blow does not understand science anymore than you do, but he respects it because it is capable of producing all manner of things that work. Truth to tell, most men hate science and all it stands for and would like to return to a more comfortable medieval universe. But it makes their material lives better in a thousand ways, and so they accept it and do not question it. Because they know the atom bomb can blow them to smithereens, they do not question science however much they would like to. If science definitively establishes that life begins at conception, you are in big trouble with your liberal attitude on the rightness of abortion. Remember, there is universal respect for science because it works. Just as an aside, the Muslim terrorists want to return all of mankind to an age when there was no science but lots and lots of religion. I do not think Western Man by and large is going to take them up on this, no matter how many of us they manage to murder. It is really quite ironic how a nation like Iran under the mullahs wants to take the world back to an Islamic Middle Ages and yet desperately wants the bomb also, something that only Western science can give them. > My point (repeated for your enjoyment): Not only do the best minds attack > the facts but there is often the outcome of new knowledge gained. This was > the answer to your saying something like "Only an idiot would question the > fact". An inferior (subsidiary) fact in science will be replaced (superseded) by a superior fact which better explains the phenomena. A scientific fact is incapable of being false. It is simply that a better fact has been discovered which is more inclusive. Theories can change as a result, but scientific theories are not the same as scientific facts. I do not believe anything can ever over turn the scientific theory of evolution, but of course the details of the theory are open for change in any number of ways. But the main idea is as solid, dare I say it, as the Rock of Gibraltar. Creationism is nonsense of course as is intelligent design, which is the same thing. However, it is OK to teach this idea as part of a course in the history of ideas, but it is not and can never be part of scientific teaching - unless you would like to return to the Dark Ages. > I am beginning to sse why you quote entire fragments. It is because you > need to. If I didn't, you apparently wouldn't remember what you said > before. You answer one arguement with another that may or may not make > sense but it is often unrelated to the arguement you are answering. The > reason to quote you better is not because I want to appeal to your > rediculous standards but because you cheat. Your habit of not thinking > anymore has made you sloppy. Always let the reader decide what is pertinent and what is not. You are no judge at all. Note how very little of what you say do I ever edit out. I trust the reader to make intelligent decisions. >>>> Geological events are glacial and we humans can hardly observe them >>>> without very sophisticated scientific instruments. The Rock of >>>> Gibraltar will still be there long after you and I have turned to dust. >>>> >>> >>> It is a metaphor. Don't go mixing metaphors and reality. How long is >>> long? The rock is changing constantly even now. It isn't the same today >>> as it was yesterday. That is a fact, my friend. When will it cease to be >>> recognized the way it is now? I neither know nor care. >> >> The Rock of Gibraltar was there for the ancient Greeks and it will be >> there for your remote ancestors the same as always. The only time scale >> we humans need concern ourselves with is the human time scale. >> > > This is too idiotic a statement. I don't know where to begin. Like you I > don't have time to go back and teach you all of the the 100 level courses > that you should have taken. You are talking nonsence, however. You are telling me that the Rock of Gibraltar changes. I am telling you that it does not change over the course of the human life span. What could be simpler? Jeff Grippe is shortly going to turn to dust and the Rock of Gibraltar will still be there, just as Ed Dolan the Great said it always would be. >> I have accomplished all the thinking that I ever intend to do and I have >> come to some conclusions as a result of it. I do not see any reason to >> keep going over the same old ground forever like some do. > > Clearly this is the case. It is why having a discussion with you is close > to pointless. But somehow I keep doing it. At this point, however, I see > it more as an exercise to see how well my ideas can be expressed and how > well they stand up. Your ideas will only stand up (barely) at the high school level. They will not stand up when you go beyond that level. >> You would be well advised to come to some conclusions of your own lest >> young people think you are nothing but a fool. You know what they say - >> no fool like an old fool. >> > > Yes, I know what they say. That isn't meant to be a compliment Ed. You have come to some conclusions all right, but very bad ones. You position on abortion is horrendous. It is the kind of position that an immoral teenager would take who wants to screw around and not take responsibility for his screwing. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                             Date: 21 Aug 2005 13:48:06 From: LoGo USA Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Hey again gang - I bet this dawn was not a bed of clover For one old TROLL with brutal wine hangover. I think the TROLL, not quite coherent, ranting, Began a message just before decanting Another jug of wine, deep red, enchanting... The zenith was this classic hackneyed chanting: >Great Saints like myself should shout and yell >our Holiness at the top of our voices... Another tired old tune he keeps on piping, Though neither God nor we will buy his hyping. He took a few more swigs, then drooling, wiping With trembling hand, he kept right on mistyping: >Nature (evolution) made a tremendou mistake by polacing >the eporductinve fucntion so cleos toe the exretroy >fucntion. Ideally the reporductinve fucn shoud be far >remoed fromt eh excretory fucntion, maybe in teh uppre... Do you believe that anyone created That message - incoherent, unabated, So poorly typed it couldn't be translated - Unless he'd gone way past intoxicated? I've often thought the TROLL has overstated His sloppy typing skill; he's annotated That trite excuse to foul-ups he's created So much... but now we see - it's OVERrated! The poor TROLL's typing truly is horrendous; WHOA! Talk about mistakes - that WAS tremendous, Way, way beyond mere stupid to stupendous - That style might top his content to offend us. But it takes more than clumsy hunt-and-peckers To screw words up that bad; this language wrecker's Well qualified to beta test spell checkers, Or try for Guiness, awing rubberneckers. >I think that happens because I constantly want to punch >someone in the nose when I am on ARBR. Damn! One more thing to dread each time he's writing: Expecting more inciting, slighting, fighting - Along with repetitious rote reciting - Will make his postings even less inviting, >I [The TROLL] will have to take him [Wayne] to the >woodshed for a good cracking around his nether parts. The TROLL's just teasing, folks, by talking dirty To get himself worked up and feeling squirty. His NAMBLA rules won't let him get past 'flirty' With any guy who's clearly over thirty. >[MORE MUDDLED GIBBERISH SUBSEQUENTLY MADE MORE >READABLE YET EVEN MORE RIDICULOUS BY HIS REPOST] Verbatim quote's a chore that I'm forgoin' - Some churlish, childish slur about the groin. The old TROLL's logorrhea freely flowin', He charged that I'm confused, despite well knowin': (Unlike himself, to judge from his last showin') I do know if I'm comin' or I'm goin'. Regards, Wayne                               Date: 21 Aug 2005 23:50:27 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message news:1124657286.820661.120840@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Hey again gang - > > I bet this dawn was not a bed of clover > For one old TROLL with brutal wine hangover. > > I think the TROLL, not quite coherent, ranting, > Began a message just before decanting > Another jug of wine, deep red, enchanting... > The zenith was this classic hackneyed chanting: I actually think better when I am slightly high. >>Great Saints like myself should shout and yell >>our Holiness at the top of our voices... > > Another tired old tune he keeps on piping, > Though neither God nor we will buy his hyping. > He took a few more swigs, then drooling, wiping > With trembling hand, he kept right on mistyping: When others boast of their sinfulness, then I shall boast of my holiness. What could be fairer than that. >>Nature (evolution) made a tremendou mistake by polacing >>the eporductinve fucntion so cleos toe the exretroy >>fucntion. Ideally the reporductinve fucn shoud be far >>remoed fromt eh excretory fucntion, maybe in teh uppre... Nothing but typos. > Do you believe that anyone created > That message - incoherent, unabated, > So poorly typed it couldn't be translated - > Unless he'd gone way past intoxicated? I believe I re-posted it perfectly correct so that even a poet could understand it. > I've often thought the TROLL has overstated > His sloppy typing skill; he's annotated > That trite excuse to foul-ups he's created > So much... but now we see - it's OVERrated! Nothing but typos. > The poor TROLL's typing truly is horrendous; > WHOA! Talk about mistakes - that WAS tremendous, > Way, way beyond mere stupid to stupendous - > That style might top his content to offend us. Style and content go together as all poets know only too well. Verse is much more about style than content. I used to read the Romantic poets until I decided their verse was almost devoid of content. It was way too much effort for not much return. > But it takes more than clumsy hunt-and-peckers > To screw words up that bad; this language wrecker's > Well qualified to beta test spell checkers, > Or try for Guiness, awing rubberneckers. Nothing but typos. >>I think that happens because I constantly want to punch >>someone in the nose when I am on ARBR. > > Damn! One more thing to dread each time he's writing: > Expecting more inciting, slighting, fighting - > Along with repetitious rote reciting - > Will make his postings even less inviting, > >>I [The TROLL] will have to take him [Wayne] to the >>woodshed for a good cracking around his nether parts. > > The TROLL's just teasing, folks, by talking dirty > To get himself worked up and feeling squirty. > His NAMBLA rules won't let him get past 'flirty' > With any guy who's clearly over thirty. You were the one who brought up the subject of sex. When you do so, I will retaliate the same as I do when you bring up the subject of excrement. Either way you lose as both those subjects destroy your not otherwise bad verse. >>[MORE MUDDLED GIBBERISH SUBSEQUENTLY MADE MORE >>READABLE YET EVEN MORE RIDICULOUS BY HIS REPOST] > > Verbatim quote's a chore that I'm forgoin' - > Some churlish, childish slur about the groin. You are working ten times harder than I am. Therefore, why get sidetracked by sex and excrement. Stay away from the groin unless you are having major problems in that area. > The old TROLL's logorrhea freely flowin', > He charged that I'm confused, despite well knowin': > (Unlike himself, to judge from his last showin') > I do know if I'm comin' or I'm goin'. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                             Date: 15 Aug 2005 15:17:00 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Ed, There was just too much luncay in your previous post to go through the exercise of quoting it. I'm sorry if you can't remember what you said. For everyone else who reads this group, is interested, and knows how to use a computer, the information is one mouse click away. Your understanding of science and the scientific method is poor at best. You pretend that things are happening only at the level that you can comprehend. The Rock (any rock for that matter) is changing moment by moment. You may say that it doesn't matter but then you would never spot such problems as erosion, pollution, or habitat destruction all of which happen more gradually. You hold up today's facts and say that because they work today they must be right. You neglect that the facts that people had in the past seemed just as obvious to them. If you studied physics or math at levels higher than elementary then you would know that even the most basic facts are not beyond questioning. The Bohr model, for example, is very useful for some things but current theory doesn't build on it, it destroys it. That doesn't make it any less useful a model, however. Finally, when you argue, you leap around from point to point bringing in your favorite pet subjects like abortion whenever you feel like it. This is useless. If it is ok with you (and even if it isn't) I'm going to go back to talking about you instead of talking to you. Jeff                               Date: 15 Aug 2005 16:33:28 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message news:11g1qj1qnfohb0d@news.supernews.com... > Ed, There was just too much luncay in your previous post to go through the > exercise of quoting it. I'm sorry if you can't remember what you said. For > everyone else who reads this group, is interested, and knows how to use a > computer, the information is one mouse click away. > > Your understanding of science and the scientific method is poor at best. > You pretend that things are happening only at the level that you can > comprehend. > > The Rock (any rock for that matter) is changing moment by moment. You may > say that it doesn't matter but then you would never spot such problems as > erosion, pollution, or habitat destruction all of which happen more > gradually. > > You hold up today's facts and say that because they work today they must > be right. You neglect that the facts that people had in the past seemed > just as obvious to them. If you studied physics or math at levels higher > than elementary then you would know that even the most basic facts are not > beyond questioning. The Bohr model, for example, is very useful for some > things but current theory doesn't build on it, it destroys it. That > doesn't make it any less useful a model, however. > > Finally, when you argue, you leap around from point to point bringing in > your favorite pet subjects like abortion whenever you feel like it. This > is useless. If it is ok with you (and even if it isn't) I'm going to go > back to talking about you instead of talking to you. > > Jeff You are strictly into e-mail and should not be posting to a newsgroup at all. Since I have no desire to correspond with you on an e-mail level and since your method of posting will never rise to the level of newsgroup posting, I shall not bother with you any further. I leave idiots like you to other idiots of which ARBR has no shortage. You want to be very careful about what you say to the group about me since I now have enough ammunition to use against you and I assure you that I will use it in retaliation. Since you are not capable of taking me on directly, I strongly suggest that you do not attempt it indirectly as I will know how to deal with you in ways that you won't like. Also, do not step on my posts for no good reason or I will return the favor with interest. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota         Date: 11 Aug 2005 08:13:34 From: Slugger Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR > > Sex is not something to be "enjoyed." It is serious business and is only for > the purpose of reproduction. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a sinner, > deserving of everlasting damnation and hellfire. > [...] > Holy shit its hot as hell in here.           Date: 11 Aug 2005 04:00:10 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com > wrote in message news:110820050112564633%upyer@bumbum.com... Edward Dolan wrote: > >> >> Sex is not something to be "enjoyed." It is serious business and is only >> for >> the purpose of reproduction. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a sinner, >> deserving of everlasting damnation and hellfire. >> [...] >> > > Holy shit its hot as hell in here. Slugger is not attributing properly. I will have to take him to task if he does not reform his ways. its should be it's for it is. Slugger, like so many others here on ARBR, is into sex without any reproductive interest. I enjoin all you sinners to emulate the Saints of the Church. Some of the Saints were initially sinners like you, but they reformed themselves. But the greatest Saints were like me who abjured all sex from an early age. The very best thing about being a Saint like me is that you can look down on all the rest of humanity with contempt and disdain. I am constantly puzzling over the fact of my vast superiority to the rest of you. I think it springs from my virginity. Sometimes I feel myself so Holy that I think I may ascend into Heaven without having to go through the bother of dying. Kind of like the Virgin y that way. Well, we can't all be Great Saints like me, but that should not prevent you from wanting to better your pitiful selves. Abjure all sex, ye who would be Great and Holy like Saint Edward the Great. Or as any confessor will tell you, go and sin no more. I give Slugger the penance of saying 5 Our Fathers and 10 Hail ys. Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota             Date: 12 Aug 2005 00:26:05 From: Slugger Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR In article <mcSdnTxjtYU7jmbfRVn-pg@prairiewave.com >, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com> wrote in message > news:110820050112564633%upyer@bumbum.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: > > > >> > >> Sex is not something to be "enjoyed." It is serious business and is only > >> for > >> the purpose of reproduction. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a sinner, > >> deserving of everlasting damnation and hellfire. > >> [...] > >> > > > > Holy shit its hot as hell in here. > > Slugger is not attributing properly. I will have to take him to task if he > does not reform his ways. > > its should be it's for it is. > > Slugger, like so many others here on ARBR, is into sex without any > reproductive interest. I enjoin all you sinners to emulate the Saints of the > Church. Some of the Saints were initially sinners like you, but they > reformed themselves. But the greatest Saints were like me who abjured all > sex from an early age. > > The very best thing about being a Saint like me is that you can look down on > all the rest of humanity with contempt and disdain. I am constantly puzzling > over the fact of my vast superiority to the rest of you. I think it springs > from my virginity. Sometimes I feel myself so Holy that I think I may ascend > into Heaven without having to go through the bother of dying. Kind of like > the Virgin y that way. > > Well, we can't all be Great Saints like me, but that should not prevent you > from wanting to better your pitiful selves. Abjure all sex, ye who would be > Great and Holy like Saint Edward the Great. Or as any confessor will tell > you, go and sin no more. I give Slugger the penance of saying 5 Our Fathers > and 10 Hail ys. > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota *Puts on his plastic devil horns and tail*     Date: 09 Aug 2005 23:57:33 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "ROTB" <rotb1@aol.com > wrote in message news:1123634503.485120.57300@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: >> I am trying to figure out if drinking vino has any effect on my blood >> pressure. I have one of the highest known blood pressures in the universe >> (240/120). That is what most of my meds are for - to bring down my BP and >> put it in a normal range. So far, I don't think the vino has any effect >> provided I don't overdue it. >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > That tells us quite a lot about Mr. Ed. Blood pressure medication is a > notorious impotence-inducer. And someone with a pressure as high as > that must be taking quite a few potent meds at high doses. It would > seem to me that Mr. Ed has a limp noodle, and takes out his sexual > frustrations on ARBR. (By the way, Mr. "they're only typos, not > misspellings", it's "overdo", not "overdue". I don't think mistaking a > "ue" for an "o" qualifies as a typo.) > > --ROTB ROTB is right about the misspelling of overdo. It is encouraging to see others here on ARBR who have a concern for correct usage of our glorious English language. The period following "overdue" in your statement above should come before the quotation k, not after. Thus, "overdue." - not "overdue". Punctuation counts too you know. Mr. Ed should be Mr. Dolan. Or you could call me Eddie like some do here on ARBR. No one has called me that since I was about 12 years old, but still it is kind of nice. The one main thing that my many BP meds do (besides lowering my BP) is to prevent me from ever getting my heart rate up. It is like there is a governor on my heart. Beta blockers are very good at doing that. My heart rate before I got on medication used to be well over 100, sometimes 120. The effect of the beta blocker pretty much limits how much I can exert myself cycling due to keeping my heart rate down. But I was always a lazy cyclist anyway, so I do not miss the loss. I am quite content to poke along in my accustomed fashion. I have never noticed any impairment of sexual function due to my medications other than that which age brings on. However, I was always a Saint from my teenage years when I realized that sex was all about procreation and NOTHING else. Since I did not ever want to be ried (perish the thought!) and most certainly did not ever want any children, I forewent all sex like most of the Great Saints of the Church. By the way, I consider myself a greater saint than Saint Augustine. He was a Great Sinner before he decided to become a Great Saint. I was never a Great Sinner, therefore I am a Greater Saint than him. Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota PS. ROTB might be interested in what is really a notorious impotence producer. It is an anti-hormone shot which they give you to control your prostate cancer prior to treatment. Believe me when I tell you this, that will take away any thought of sex 100%. But didn't we always know that sex is nothing but hormones. It is all just chemistry. It is better to know this at age 16 than at age 70.   Date: 04 Aug 2005 02:29:12 From: nj_diver Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Not only does the big-mouth shithead (Ed Dolan) need his medication adjusted, someone needs to take a sledge hammer to his keyboard and cancel his ISP. I don't both replying to the f__ing idiot directly since it's like talking to a brick wall (his intelligence level is below that of said brick wall). But for ALL who try and use this nearly useless newsgroup please do one thing and one thing ONLY: DO NOT REPLY TO HIM AT ALL!! Let him bang away at the keys with his one hand (you do know what he is doing with the other one, right?) but DO NOT REPLY!!! Eventually he will move on to annoy others in another group but the secret is to NOT REPLY to his rambling idiotic posts. All you are accomplishing is feeding & encouraging the troll who signs himself Ed Dolan.     Date: 04 Aug 2005 23:49:08 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "nj_diver" <modiver@earthlink.net > wrote in message news:1123147752.471876.264530@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... [...] > But for ALL who try and use this nearly useless newsgroup please do one > thing and one thing ONLY: DO NOT REPLY TO HIM AT ALL!! Let him bang > away at the keys with his one hand (you do know what he is doing with > the other one, right?) but DO NOT REPLY!!! Eventually he will move on > to annoy others in another group but the secret is to NOT REPLY to his > rambling idiotic posts. All you are accomplishing is feeding & > encouraging the troll who signs himself Ed Dolan. The Great Ed Dolan does not move on so easily. If and when he does, it is at his own volition and not at the volition of idiots like nj. nj obviously stands for New Jersey, a pit of depravity and imbecility. nj is a coward who posts sexual innuendo and then hides behind a user name. nj is into masturbating as it is clear from his message above. I would like to know the age of this New Jersey idiot. Anyone over the age of about 16 should not be masturbating. The only others who do this are retards. Is nj a retard? Well, yes, I think we can safely say that he is. But the main thing to know about him is that he is a coward. All those who use names not their own are cowards. nj is a masturbating coward. How is that for an ID. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota     Date: 04 Aug 2005 09:08:27 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR I understand your concern and mostly agree but he has now taken to responding to himself. I think we should pity the poor man whose biggest accomplishment in life is being the most voluminous poster on this newsgroup. I agree, however, that it is best not to respond to him directly. At this point, however, he is not to be stopped. He will respond to himself, start a new topic (about himself), or respond to something from the past. He thinks he is deserving of our praise. I would say he deserves our pity. I live in New York City. I think of him as I do the homeless: Unsightly Deserving of our pity Probably should be in an institution Glad not to be one of them "nj_diver" <modiver@earthlink.net > wrote in message news:1123147752.471876.264530@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Not only does the big-mouth shithead (Ed Dolan) need his medication > adjusted, someone needs to take a sledge hammer to his keyboard and > cancel his ISP. > > I don't both replying to the f__ing idiot directly since it's like > talking to a brick wall (his intelligence level is below that of said > brick wall). > > But for ALL who try and use this nearly useless newsgroup please do one > thing and one thing ONLY: DO NOT REPLY TO HIM AT ALL!! Let him bang > away at the keys with his one hand (you do know what he is doing with > the other one, right?) but DO NOT REPLY!!! Eventually he will move on > to annoy others in another group but the secret is to NOT REPLY to his > rambling idiotic posts. All you are accomplishing is feeding & > encouraging the troll who signs himself Ed Dolan. >       Date: 04 Aug 2005 16:00:19 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message news:11f44s3r8bk7a30@news.supernews.com... >I understand your concern and mostly agree but he has now taken to >responding to himself. I think we should pity the poor man whose biggest >accomplishment in life is being the most voluminous poster on this >newsgroup. > > I agree, however, that it is best not to respond to him directly. At this > point, however, he is not to be stopped. He will respond to himself, start > a new topic (about himself), or respond to something from the past. > > He thinks he is deserving of our praise. I would say he deserves our pity. > I live in New York City. I think of him as I do the homeless: > > Unsightly > Deserving of our pity > Probably should be in an institution > Glad not to be one of them Jeff Grippe does not mind someone who posts using words like shithead and making sexual innuendoes. He even responds to those types, no doubt because he recognizes a kindred spirit. New York Jews know all about being shitheads and sexual innuendoes. They imbibe that with their mother's milk, provided they haven't been aborted. The trouble is that many of them know only excrement and sex and nothing else - like nj (probably stands for New Jersey, another sinkhole of depravity). The one other thing we do know about Jeff Grippe is that he favors abortion. The more unborn children that are killed, the better he likes it. So, as near as I can figure any of this out, Jeff Grippe is into excrement, sex and the killing of unborn children. Jeff Grippe and nj are soul mates, heavily into excrement and sex. But the worst that can be said about either of them is that they are top posters who may or may not include any of the previous post to which they are responding. Here Jeff Grippe has included nj's post at the bottom. I can only conclude that Jeff Grippe, like nj, prefers excrement and sex since he references them. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > "nj_diver" <modiver@earthlink.net> wrote in message > news:1123147752.471876.264530@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... >> Not only does the big-mouth shithead (Ed Dolan) need his medication >> adjusted, someone needs to take a sledge hammer to his keyboard and >> cancel his ISP. >> >> I don't both replying to the f__ing idiot directly since it's like >> talking to a brick wall (his intelligence level is below that of said >> brick wall). >> >> But for ALL who try and use this nearly useless newsgroup please do one >> thing and one thing ONLY: DO NOT REPLY TO HIM AT ALL!! Let him bang >> away at the keys with his one hand (you do know what he is doing with >> the other one, right?) but DO NOT REPLY!!! Eventually he will move on >> to annoy others in another group but the secret is to NOT REPLY to his >> rambling idiotic posts. All you are accomplishing is feeding & >> encouraging the troll who signs himself Ed Dolan. >> > >     Date: 04 Aug 2005 05:46:49 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "nj_diver" <modiver@earthlink.net > wrote in message news:1123147752.471876.264530@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com... > Not only does the big-mouth shithead (Ed Dolan) need his medication > adjusted, someone needs to take a sledge hammer to his keyboard and > cancel his ISP. Another fucking top poster! Why is it that all idiots are top posters? I note that he also hides behind a user name like all cowards. So we know that we are dealing with an idiot and a coward - always a great combination. Maybe nj should have a closer look at himself in order to realise what shit and shitheads are all about. > I don't both replying to the f__ing idiot directly since it's like > talking to a brick wall (his intelligence level is below that of said > brick wall). I can be gotten to but only by an intelligence which is superior to mine. So far, I have never discovered such an intelligence on ARBR. I can clearly see that nj is not going to be the break through. Guess I will just have to soldier on with the idiots and morons like nj that this group is infested with in spades. > But for ALL who try and use this nearly useless newsgroup please do one > thing and one thing ONLY: DO NOT REPLY TO HIM AT ALL!! Let him bang > away at the keys with his one hand (you do know what he is doing with > the other one, right?) but DO NOT REPLY!!! Here is the classic liberal pig for all to see. Like all such swine, he is into sex big time even though he is not procreating. He is simply indulging himself like all liberals do. He no doubt thinks it was perfectly OK for Clinton to be getting head in the White House by a slut and a whore. That is something that all liberals understand and forgive because they are into that themselves. After all, it was only sex! Eventually he will move on > to annoy others in another group but the secret is to NOT REPLY to his > rambling idiotic posts. All you are accomplishing is feeding & > encouraging the troll who signs himself Ed Dolan. I use my real name unlike nj who is a coward and hides behind a user name. My posts are the quintessence of intelligence and wisdom, but of course liberals like nj are like children who never grew up. They think a newsgroup is for stroking one another with buddy-buddy shit. So it comes as a revelation to them when they encounter someone like me who thinks a newsgroup is only for voicing contrary opinions - and let the chips fall where they may. Nj is not worthy of me. I need some foils that can come up to my high standards. Where, oh where can a find a worthy adversary? Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota   Date: 02 Aug 2005 12:10:20 From: Dan B. Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Edward Dolan wrote: <snip > > Basically, I see myself as a mighty roaring god having to swat midges and > gnats here on ARBR. I am overwhelmed by the trivia that gets posted on this > forum. I feel I ought to get some kind of an award and/or acclamation for my > efforts here on behalf of the group, but no man is a prophet in his home > country. Some day the Lilliputians will not have Ed Dolan the Great to kick > around anymore and then they will be sorry. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota Heh...when that day comes, would you prefer be kicked around by the Brobdignagians or the Yahoos? Best, Dan   Date: 01 Aug 2005 19:06:05 From: Dan B. Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Edward Dolan wrote: <snip > > > I will henceforth treat you the way you deserve to be treated based on your > incipient criminality. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota Mr. Dolan, Did you ever read Philip K. Dick's "Minority Report"? (Watching the film version would also suffice, but I feel the original prose is superior...) Best, Dan     Date: 02 Aug 2005 13:15:50 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Dan B." <reddan@trimestigus.net > wrote in message news:1122948365.191657.200530@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: > <snip> >> >> I will henceforth treat you the way you deserve to be treated based on >> your >> incipient criminality. >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > Mr. Dolan, > > Did you ever read Philip K. Dick's "Minority Report"? (Watching the > film version would also suffice, but I feel the original prose is > superior...) Nope, I follow my own path undisturbed by what anyone else says or does. We Great ones are like this. Basically, I see myself as a mighty roaring god having to swat midges and gnats here on ARBR. I am overwhelmed by the trivia that gets posted on this forum. I feel I ought to get some kind of an award and/or acclamation for my efforts here on behalf of the group, but no man is a prophet in his home country. Some day the Lilliputians will not have Ed Dolan the Great to kick around anymore and then they will be sorry. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota       Date: 02 Aug 2005 14:27:03 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Eddie, you need your medication adjusted big time. "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:FtmdnQPJNJHEJXLfRVn-pQ@prairiewave.com... > > "Dan B." <reddan@trimestigus.net> wrote in message > news:1122948365.191657.200530@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Edward Dolan wrote: >> <snip> >>> >>> I will henceforth treat you the way you deserve to be treated based on >>> your >>> incipient criminality. >>> >>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> >> Mr. Dolan, >> >> Did you ever read Philip K. Dick's "Minority Report"? (Watching the >> film version would also suffice, but I feel the original prose is >> superior...) > > Nope, I follow my own path undisturbed by what anyone else says or does. > We > Great ones are like this. > > Basically, I see myself as a mighty roaring god having to swat midges and > gnats here on ARBR. I am overwhelmed by the trivia that gets posted on > this > forum. I feel I ought to get some kind of an award and/or acclamation for > my > efforts here on behalf of the group, but no man is a prophet in his home > country. Some day the Lilliputians will not have Ed Dolan the Great to > kick > around anymore and then they will be sorry. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > > > >   Date: 01 Aug 2005 08:58:51 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Clearly you are confusing quantity with quality. This is quite a mistake for one as great as you. Generally I've found that as one increases the other tends to diminish. I'm certain that you consider yourself an exception. That thought doesn't make you exceptional, however. "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:5vKdnW3Ci72EMnbfRVn-iQ@prairiewave.com... > For as long as I have been a member of ARBR, a certain Mr. Tom Sherman has > always been the most prolific poster. That is about to change very > shortly, unless he returns and resumes his one liner posts. Yours truly, > Ed Dolan the Great, is soon to overtake Tom Sherman and become the all > time champion poster to ARBR. > > Here is the relevant information for those of you who are interested in > such esoterica: > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about?hl=en > > Moreover, my posts are not one liners without any content to them which > was often the case with Tom Sherman's posts. I never tried for this record > though. It just sort of happened due to all the wrangles I get into with > everyone here on ARBR. > > When the big day arrives that I surpass Tom Sherman as the most prolific > poster, I will call everyone's attention to it. These are the sort of > things that I am good at. I am expecting that congratulations will be in > order from all and sundry. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >     Date: 06 Aug 2005 16:12:49 From: Leif Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR " I think Stern is also a st ass New York Jew. Birds of a feather ... " Ed, please don't say you're an antisemite. Though my name doesn't sound it, I'm jewish. Up until now, I've enjoyed your posts for what they are but the jew stuff seems beneath you, no? Is it New York Jews that bother you? I dated one for awhile and she seemed as nutty as the average female to me. -Leif (a.k.a. Jew Viking)       Date: 07 Aug 2005 04:23:27 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR We don't know what Dolan actually believes. We do know that he is willing to say anything for the effect it will have. I wouldn't let his rantings get to you. They are meaningless noise. They can be fun to discuss, however. I do wonder what type of pitiable creature he must be to resort to this. Jeff "Leif" <LeifEric@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1123369969.741708.111780@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >" I think Stern > is also a st ass New York Jew. Birds of a feather ... " > > Ed, please don't say you're an antisemite. Though my name doesn't > sound it, I'm jewish. Up until now, I've enjoyed your posts for what > they are but the jew stuff seems beneath you, no? > > Is it New York Jews that bother you? I dated one for awhile and she > seemed as nutty as the average female to me. > > -Leif > (a.k.a. Jew Viking) >         Date: 07 Aug 2005 14:43:29 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message news:11fbha8fsq7p9db@news.supernews.com... > We don't know what Dolan actually believes. We do know that he is willing > to say anything for the effect it will have. > > I wouldn't let his rantings get to you. They are meaningless noise. They > can be fun to discuss, however. I do wonder what type of pitiable creature > he must be to resort to this. > > Jeff Being a st ass New York Jew is not necessarily a bad thing to be. I lived in New York for many years when I was young and just about everybody I knew was Jewish. We got along just great once I impressed upon them that I was more than their equal intellectually. I actually like intellectuals, provided they do not get down on the masses of men who are not intellectuals and never will be. After all, we need plumbers and electricians in order to make things work. Jeff will never figure me out accurately because he is heavily into being PC (politically correct). He does his own stereotyping and I do mine. That is the only difference between us. I do say outrageous things for effect, but I believe there is always an element of truth to everything I say. Otherwise, I would not say it. My main interest in being here on ARBR is to get others to think about things outside how the liberal media wants you to think about things. I believe there is some kind of crazy consistency to everything I say no matter the subject. It appears contradictory at times, but I think there is a deeper internal consistency that is there. But I am too lazy to search for it. What do any of us know except what we think we know. I do entertain the notion that I could possibly be wrong about everything under the sun. We true intellectuals are like that. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > "Leif" <LeifEric@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1123369969.741708.111780@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>" I think Stern >> is also a st ass New York Jew. Birds of a feather ... " >> >> Ed, please don't say you're an antisemite. Though my name doesn't >> sound it, I'm jewish. Up until now, I've enjoyed your posts for what >> they are but the jew stuff seems beneath you, no? >> >> Is it New York Jews that bother you? I dated one for awhile and she >> seemed as nutty as the average female to me. >> >> -Leif >> (a.k.a. Jew Viking) >> > >       Date: 06 Aug 2005 21:13:46 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Leif" <LeifEric@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1123369969.741708.111780@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >" I think Stern > is also a st ass New York Jew. Birds of a feather ... " > > Ed, please don't say you're an antisemite. Though my name doesn't > sound it, I'm jewish. Up until now, I've enjoyed your posts for what > they are but the jew stuff seems beneath you, no? "jewish" should be capitalized - Jewish! Anti-Semites are to be found in great numbers in old Europe. They are very rare here in the New World. Relax, everyone comes to hate me eventually. It is my karma because I say exactly what is on my mind. If I wanted to be liked and admired, I would know how to do it. But I am not interested in that. > Is it New York Jews that bother you? I dated one for awhile and she > seemed as nutty as the average female to me. It is possible and sensible to make generalizations about every group of people who have ever existed on this earth. Only PC numskulls think otherwise. I make generalizations about everything under the sun and they are true as generalizations. However, generalizations are never true when it comes down to particulars. However, I believe I have got Jeff Grippe pegged about right. He is a st ass arrogant New York Jew who thinks he knows far more than he actually does. I know what is meant by the phrase "st ass New York Jew." So do most other people in the world. If you want me to explain it to you, I will be delighted. How the HELL can you possibly be a Jew with a name like Leif. You have got to be of Scandinavian ancestry. I think if I were a Jew with a name like Leif, I would change my name so others would know who and what I am without a lot of crazy explanations. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota       Date: 06 Aug 2005 23:41:18 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On 6 Aug 2005 16:12:49 -0700, "Leif" <LeifEric@gmail.com > wrote: >" I think Stern >is also a st ass New York Jew. Birds of a feather ... " > >Ed, please don't say you're an antisemite. Though my name doesn't >sound it, I'm jewish. Up until now, I've enjoyed your posts for what >they are but the jew stuff seems beneath you, no? If you pay attention I think you will notice not much is beneath Mr. Ed. Indiana Mike, '03 Tour Easy > >Is it New York Jews that bother you? I dated one for awhile and she >seemed as nutty as the average female to me. > >-Leif >(a.k.a. Jew Viking)         Date: 06 Aug 2005 21:18:45 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:3fiaf1p24jfb5b02gmqapeb3l375dhbslr@4ax.com... > On 6 Aug 2005 16:12:49 -0700, "Leif" <LeifEric@gmail.com> wrote: > >>" I think Stern >>is also a st ass New York Jew. Birds of a feather ... " >> >>Ed, please don't say you're an antisemite. Though my name doesn't >>sound it, I'm jewish. Up until now, I've enjoyed your posts for what >>they are but the jew stuff seems beneath you, no? > > If you pay attention I think you will notice not much is beneath Mr. > Ed. If you pay attention you will soon discover that I am not into pleasing others, at least not here on ARBR. I say what I believe to be true and I let the chips fall where they may. If anyone does not think what I say is true, they are free to take issue with me. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota     Date: 01 Aug 2005 08:23:07 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message news:11es762s3pdocc0@news.supernews.com... > Clearly you are confusing quantity with quality. This is quite a mistake > for one as great as you. Generally I've found that as one increases the > other tends to diminish. I'm certain that you consider yourself an > exception. That thought doesn't make you exceptional, however. Clearly someone who top posts like a newbie does not have a clue about what constitutes a quality post. Once you get the technique of posting learned, then we can discuss whether your posts have any quality or not. I learned proper posting technique by observing the posts of Tom Sherman. He was the most correct poster ever to inhabit the precincts of ARBR. However, it is possible to post even more correctly as a scholar would, but that is overkill for ARBR. After all, there is no here but us idiots. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota       Date: 01 Aug 2005 19:13:50 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Re: Posting style As we discussed in earlier threads, Ed, I was posting to discussion boards when you were still in diapers (metaphorically). If you think for the slightest moment that I accept you as an authority on the subject then you should look into having your medication dosages adjusted. Jeff         Date: 01 Aug 2005 20:21:47 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11etb1k3rhtms65@news.supernews.com... > Re: Posting style > > As we discussed in earlier threads, Ed, I was posting to discussion boards > when you were still in diapers (metaphorically). If you think for the > slightest moment that I accept you as an authority on the subject then you > should look into having your medication dosages adjusted. > > Jeff Screw you and your freaking top posting and your Re's: ! No one else here posts like you do. If you had a brain in your head this would tell you something. I regard you as an idiot and a scoundrel and it is scofflaws like you that ruin newsgroups Where the hell do you get off thinking you can post anyway you want? You deserve the criminal vandal troll and I most sincerely hope that the two of you will some day connect. One thing is for sure - you do not deserve me. Why the hell do I even bother with a delinquent like you who does not even know HOW to post? I will henceforth treat you the way you deserve to be treated based on your incipient criminality. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota           Date: 02 Aug 2005 09:36:43 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:H5KdnY0GXbSvU3PfRVn-tw@prairiewave.com... > Where the hell do you get off thinking you can post anyway you want? > Where do you get off thinking that I can't? As you yourself have pointed out in the past, usenet is a free range. Get over this Ed. There is no set of rules that must be followed about how to post.             Date: 02 Aug 2005 13:34:26 From: Jon Meinecke Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote > > There is no set of rules that must be followed > about how to post. Certainly, nntp is just code and bits and storage. And alt.* is even more free-range in content and control than the big 5. Posters' choice, yes, what and how you respond,-- and others now, and those before, also here by choice, or no longer here by choice. There are other metaphors that comes to mind regarding stones and ARBR, think recurring kidney stones... %^( And then there's maybe out of context the song, I'll put a pebble in my shoe [...] I shall call the pebble dare We will walk together about walking Dare shall be carried And when we both have had enough I will take him from my shoe singing, "Meet your new road." Had enough? Time for Dare to meet the new road? %^) My question: What do you lend him by engagement and what is the broader effect? Not that it matters... Jon Meinecke               Date: 02 Aug 2005 15:54:39 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net > wrote in message news:1123007555.2e68f61f32e03b0fc47ca4fe2011a87c@teranews... > "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote >> >> There is no set of rules that must be followed >> about how to post. > > Certainly, nntp is just code and bits and storage. And > alt.* is even more free-range in content and control > than the big 5. Posters' choice, yes, what and how > you respond,-- and others now, and those before, also > here by choice, or no longer here by choice. [...] And pray tell, what is "the big 5?" I do note a lot of "alt." in connection with various newsgroups. Is this a downgrade I wonder? Why aren't we just "rec.?" I know that Jon Meinecke knows this stuff, but he is a kill filer and so is out of the loop of ARBR - except for trivial posts that start nowhere and go nowhere. Anyone else know? [...] > My question: What do you lend him by engagement and > what is the broader effect? Not that it matters... Here is Jon Meinecke at his very worst, taking Jeff Grippe to task because we are having an interesting and enjoyable conversation about top posting, abortion, New York Jews, sex, etc. Why, oh why can't we be boring and dead like old Jon is. That is the question that he is asking. Jealousy and spite is ever what Jon Meinecke is all about. He is right down there with old Cletus Lee of Texas, another jackass who never knew which way was up. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota               Date: 02 Aug 2005 15:28:48 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net > wrote in message news:1123007555.2e68f61f32e03b0fc47ca4fe2011a87c@teranews... > "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote > My question: What do you lend him by engagement and > what is the broader effect? Not that it matters... > I'm a slow learner and he show glimmers of rationality at times but I think I've finally got it. I hope that is the last time I'm sucked into one of his idiotic tirades. Jeff                 Date: 03 Aug 2005 07:11:07 From: Jon Meinecke Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote > > "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> wrote > > My question: What do you lend him by engagement and > > what is the broader effect? Not that it matters... > > I'm a slow learner Not from what I've seen,-- simply more patient than most. A number of posters have attempted to respond to even the most irrational and abusive posts rationally. Some have tried polite appeals with humor. Some have tried logic. A few have sunk to his level. Some have reached a different conclusion with respect to the master baiters' games and the continued useful existence of ARBR. "The only way to win the game, is not to play at all." -- WOPR, _War Games_ > show glimmers of rationality at times May be genuine. May be a ploy. Doesn't matter. The continuing effect is to command attention, attract certain responses, and in the opinion of many, reduce the topical and community appeal of the newsgroup. A number of posters of many years standing here, generous with their expertise, experience, and helpful observations are no longer actively participating. *Their choice.* Many left when the norm of constructive interaction and friendly discourse became more and more exceptional, overwhelmed by vulgar insult and abuse in an ever more "look at me, look at me" exhibition by one who functions as a veritable black hole of wisdom and insight. *His choice.* Our choice, if we value this community, remains as always,-- Do we take the bait? Jon Meinecke                   Date: 03 Aug 2005 21:35:00 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:11:07 -0500, "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net > wrote: <Major Snipage > > >Our choice, if we value this community, remains as >always,-- Do we take the bait? > >Jon Meinecke > I trwoo-woo-woohly wooden touch it! It stinks! Indiana Mike                     Date: 03 Aug 2005 17:08:47 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:l0e2f19dgi7kigmti3m8b8e81j0tmmfrk7@4ax.com... > On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:11:07 -0500, "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> > wrote: > > <Major Snipage> >> >>Our choice, if we value this community, remains as >>always,-- Do we take the bait? >> >>Jon Meinecke >> > > I trwoo-woo-woohly wooden touch it! It stinks! > > Indiana Mike Newbies come and go and so do some of the regulars who can't take the heat. The newbies get their two bits worth of information about recumbents and go away feeling good about ARBR. Some of the regulars go to BROL where, provided they are sufficiently dumb and stupid, are satisfied, and others, the ones with brains, miss the give and take of ARBR and soon return. ARBR is for adults. If you are not an adult, then be gone and stay gone. Many thanks Ed for keeping this group interesting and alive. Without you ARBR would be the pits, even worse than BROL and the HPV lists. By God Ed, if I do say so myself, you are truly Great - and I know you are a Great Saint too. Keep up the good work! Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                       Date: 05 Aug 2005 05:36:54 From: Slugger Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR In article <ItKdnYRukvzk3WzfRVn-3Q@prairiewave.com >, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote in message > news:l0e2f19dgi7kigmti3m8b8e81j0tmmfrk7@4ax.com... > > On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 07:11:07 -0500, "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> > > wrote: > > > > <Major Snipage> > >> > >>Our choice, if we value this community, remains as > >>always,-- Do we take the bait? > >> > >>Jon Meinecke > >> > > > > I trwoo-woo-woohly wooden touch it! It stinks! > > > > Indiana Mike > > Newbies come and go and so do some of the regulars who can't take the heat. > The newbies get their two bits worth of information about recumbents and go > away feeling good about ARBR. Some of the regulars go to BROL where, > provided they are sufficiently dumb and stupid, are satisfied, and others, > the ones with brains, miss the give and take of ARBR and soon return. ARBR > is for adults. If you are not an adult, then be gone and stay gone. > > Many thanks Ed for keeping this group interesting and alive. Without you > ARBR would be the pits, even worse than BROL and the HPV lists. By God Ed, > if I do say so myself, you are truly Great - and I know you are a Great > Saint too. Keep up the good work! > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > Truly pathetic.                         Date: 05 Aug 2005 12:11:29 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com > wrote in message news:040820052236055977%upyer@bumbum.com... > In article <ItKdnYRukvzk3WzfRVn-3Q@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: [...] >> Newbies come and go and so do some of the regulars who can't take the >> heat. >> The newbies get their two bits worth of information about recumbents and >> go >> away feeling good about ARBR. Some of the regulars go to BROL where, >> provided they are sufficiently dumb and stupid, are satisfied, and >> others, >> the ones with brains, miss the give and take of ARBR and soon return. >> ARBR >> is for adults. If you are not an adult, then be gone and stay gone. >> >> Many thanks Ed for keeping this group interesting and alive. Without you >> ARBR would be the pits, even worse than BROL and the HPV lists. By God >> Ed, >> if I do say so myself, you are truly Great - and I know you are a Great >> Saint too. Keep up the good work! >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> > > Truly pathetic. Hey Ed, how are things going with you? I see that upyerbumbum Slugger is still with us, but do not pay any attention to him. He is jealous of you and is like a spiteful little kid. He will never get over it because he has never grown up and he never will. But enough on him. He is not worth bothering with. I encourage you Ed to only take on intellects that are the equal of yours. When you stoop to midgets and dwarfs you only lower yourself to their abysmal level. Ed, you are too Great for that. In fact, I recommend that you only post to yourself as there are no others on ARBR who are worthy of you. Yes, Ed, I highly recommend that you only post to yourself. That way the entire group will get the benefit of your infinite wisdom without being constantly distracted by idiots and imbeciles. Keep up the good work Ed. I for one know that you are truly Great - and I know that you are a Great Saint too. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                           Date: 06 Aug 2005 22:42:49 From: Slugger Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR In article <NL2dnWyW38lVAG7fRVn-jg@prairiewave.com >, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com> wrote in message > news:040820052236055977%upyer@bumbum.com... > > In article <ItKdnYRukvzk3WzfRVn-3Q@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan > > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > [...] > >> Newbies come and go and so do some of the regulars who can't take the > >> heat. > >> The newbies get their two bits worth of information about recumbents and > >> go > >> away feeling good about ARBR. Some of the regulars go to BROL where, > >> provided they are sufficiently dumb and stupid, are satisfied, and > >> others, > >> the ones with brains, miss the give and take of ARBR and soon return. > >> ARBR > >> is for adults. If you are not an adult, then be gone and stay gone. > >> > >> Many thanks Ed for keeping this group interesting and alive. Without you > >> ARBR would be the pits, even worse than BROL and the HPV lists. By God > >> Ed, > >> if I do say so myself, you are truly Great - and I know you are a Great > >> Saint too. Keep up the good work! > >> > >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > >> > > > > Truly pathetic. > > Hey Ed, how are things going with you? I see that upyerbumbum Slugger is > still with us, but do not pay any attention to him. He is jealous of you and > is like a spiteful little kid. He will never get over it because he has > never grown up and he never will. But enough on him. He is not worth > bothering with. > > I encourage you Ed to only take on intellects that are the equal of yours. > When you stoop to midgets and dwarfs you only lower yourself to their > abysmal level. Ed, you are too Great for that. In fact, I recommend that you > only post to yourself as there are no others on ARBR who are worthy of you. > > Yes, Ed, I highly recommend that you only post to yourself. That way the > entire group will get the benefit of your infinite wisdom without being > constantly distracted by idiots and imbeciles. > > Keep up the good work Ed. I for one know that you are truly Great - and I > know that you are a Great Saint too. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > aka > > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Lonely ole Bastards - Minnesota > Better get caught up on your meds Dolan.                             Date: 06 Aug 2005 21:25:21 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com > wrote in message news:060820051542023411%upyer@bumbum.com... [...] > Better get caught up on your meds Dolan. You would not believe how complicated my medications are. I set them up a week in advance and it takes me about 30 minutes to do it. And then you have to be thinking ahead all the time so you don't run out. When you end up taking more than 8 medications very day, life gets very complicated very fast. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                               Date: 07 Aug 2005 02:41:50 From: Slugger Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR In article <lfCdneMied6E7GjfRVn-hg@prairiewave.com >, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com> wrote in message > news:060820051542023411%upyer@bumbum.com... > [...] > > Better get caught up on your meds Dolan. > > You would not believe how complicated my medications are. I set them up a > week in advance and it takes me about 30 minutes to do it. And then you have > to be thinking ahead all the time so you don't run out. When you end up > taking more than 8 medications very day, life gets very complicated very > fast. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > Actually I would believe it since my girlfriend has a pile of meds to take every night/morning to keep her sane. Problem is your meds don't seem to be working. Maybe you should take up pot smoking.                                 Date: 06 Aug 2005 22:36:05 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com > wrote in message news:060820051941043914%upyer@bumbum.com... > In article <lfCdneMied6E7GjfRVn-hg@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com> wrote in message >> news:060820051542023411%upyer@bumbum.com... >> [...] >> > Better get caught up on your meds Dolan. >> >> You would not believe how complicated my medications are. I set them up a >> week in advance and it takes me about 30 minutes to do it. And then you >> have >> to be thinking ahead all the time so you don't run out. When you end up >> taking more than 8 medications every day, life gets very complicated very >> fast. >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> >> > Actually I would believe it since my girlfriend has a pile of meds to > take every night/morning to keep her sane. Problem is your meds don't > seem to be working. Maybe you should take up pot smoking. The one med that works every time for me is a bit of the old vino. I have to be careful that it doesn't raise my blood pressure, but other than that it mellows me out just fine. The best vino I have ever discovered is Livingston Cellars Red Rose. It is the cheapest vino in the world, but it has a nice vino taste and it never gives me a headache. Beer is OK when it is very hot and humid, but I have never really liked beer. Vino is the nectar of the gods and has always been considered a hallk of a high civilization. If it was good enough for the ancient Romans, it is good enough for me. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                   Date: 03 Aug 2005 11:13:37 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net > wrote in message news:1123070955.23326337c0a5616ca1fd9762d5182b65@teranews... [...] > Our choice, if we value this community, remains as > always,-- Do we take the bait? > > Jon Meinecke Choice was the theme of Meinecke's latest outrageous post to the group. Yes, Meinecke certainly did have a choice when the criminal vandal troll was here destroying the group last winter. He chose not to say anything at all. That other great coward, Tom Sherman, also chose not to say anything at all. Instead of blathering about choice, maybe Meinecke could enlighten the group on why he did not enter into the fray when the group was being destroyed. Who values the community when it comes under attack, someone who defends it or someone who absents himself? Too many like Meinecke and Sherman and we can all cash in our chips and prepare to go to Hell. Choice indeed! Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                   Date: 03 Aug 2005 10:47:12 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net > wrote in message news:1123070955.23326337c0a5616ca1fd9762d5182b65@teranews... > "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote >> >> "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> wrote >> > My question: What do you lend him by engagement and >> > what is the broader effect? Not that it matters... >> >> I'm a slow learner > > Not from what I've seen,-- simply more patient than most. Here is Meinecke trying to ingratiate himself with Jeff. The question is will Jeff fall for it. These New York Jews, whatever else you might want to say about them, are at least st and not easily taken in by weasel words. Stay tuned. > A number of posters have attempted to respond to even > the most irrational and abusive posts rationally. Some have > tried polite appeals with humor. Some have tried logic. > A few have sunk to his level. > > Some have reached a different conclusion with respect > to the master baiters' games and the continued useful > existence of ARBR. Here is Meinecke trying to be a bit foul, but without going overboard. He likes to play on the words "master baiter," as much as his limited wit will permit. Just because he is into masturbating doesn't mean a Great Saint like Saint Edward is. It is really funny when these heavy Germanic types like Meinecke try to contest with quicksilver Gaelic types like myself. > "The only way to win the game, is not to play at all." > -- WOPR, _War Games_ > >> show glimmers of rationality at times > > May be genuine. May be a ploy. Doesn't matter. > The continuing effect is to command attention, attract > certain responses, and in the opinion of many, reduce > the topical and community appeal of the newsgroup. I made short work of Meinecke many years ago when he pretended to be a professor of intelligence. Very funny. Discussing anything with him is like talking to a dead man. Abandon hope, all ye who enter into a conversation with Meinecke! Thank God this nut case has kill filled me. Now I can tell the rest of the group what to think of him without having to put up with his feeble protestations. > A number of posters of many years standing here, generous > with their expertise, experience, and helpful observations > are no longer actively participating. *Their choice.* They are mostly to be found on BROL now where they continue to post their idiocies to the delight of other numskulls. Why not go there and stay there if you like those kind of moronic posts. The HPV lists are another good source for getting bored out of your skull. > Many left when the norm of constructive interaction and > friendly discourse became more and more exceptional, > overwhelmed by vulgar insult and abuse in an ever more > "look at me, look at me" exhibition by one who functions > as a veritable black hole of wisdom and insight. *His > choice.* This group was taken down by a single criminal vandal troll. Meinecke was no where to be found when it occurred. I have nothing but contempt for him because he would not defend the group when it came under attack. I charge Meinecke with being a coward. Why he even professes to have any concern for this group is one of the supreme mysteries when there was not a peep out of him when the criminal vandal troll was destroying this group. Meinecke is too despicable for words! Yes, he will take on me through proxies (he is a kill filer who does not directly take me on ever) because he knows he is dealing with a gentleman and a scholar. If I am also a bit of a troll, I am a good and law abiding troll. Meinecke only shows a bare minimum of guts when he is dealing (via proxies) with a Great Saint like myself. When Meinecke has to deal with a real flesh and blood criminal vandal troll, his guts turn yellow. If he had any brains at all that was in any way connected to his gut, he would have the good grace to never mention this subject (the welfare of the group) again and move on. My opinion of him is set in concrete and it is never going to change. When it came time for Meinecke to show what he was made of, he did a disappearing act. When confronted with a real troll, a criminal vandal troll, he was nowhere to be found. His hypocrisy is monumental and he has no credibility whatsoever on this issue of concern for ARBR. He was as one with Tom Sherman, another coward who took to the tall grass when the going got rough. > Our choice, if we value this community, remains as > always,-- Do we take the bait? > > Jon Meinecke Meinecke sure does not value this group as he would not defend it when it came under attack. Such cowardice revolts me. Meinecke is nothing but a whiner and complainer who has the peculiar knack of never saying anything the least bit interesting. I do not know how you get to be such a dull person. I think maybe you have to be born that way or else take special instruction in how to become tiresome. Meinecke needs to take a cue from that other major ARBR coward, Tom Sherman, and leave this group forever since he has shown where his loyalties lie. He will be happiest on BROL with all the other dullards and idiots to be found there. Mr. Ball, the moderator of that forum and the quintessential liberal who thought is was just fine for liberals to post to ARBR but not for conservatives, will welcome him with open arms. It will be a riage made in Hell like all riages. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                     Date: 03 Aug 2005 12:16:21 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Re: Meinecke Wow Eddie. You really don't like him do you?                       Date: 04 Aug 2005 06:31:57 From: Jon Meinecke Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote > Re: Meinecke > > Wow Eddie. You really don't like him do you? I've been winning by not playing *that* game for some time. Check the archives. Compare contributions. Mine go back to '98 in ARBR. I've been reading and posting in USENET newsgroups since '87,-- well before the Internet. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc/msg/b73c8cc2cee2c1ba http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/11cacdf0eea4ee18 '87 is long enough ago to remember when you had to configure UUCP and know people who provided your newsfeed personally. In those days, if you acted like today's troll, you would likely get a phone call in short order and might find your login being rejected. I've been around long enough to know how to examine message headers and trace routes and IP addresses. Long enough to know what ISPs will and won't pay attention to... http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/218ed2f8b74bea1a http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/d15ec3cff50a290c http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/9c79ff5866b9a266 I've seen it all before,-- and probably more than once. I expect to see it again. There are numerous examples of abusive, vulgar, obscene and off-topic posts, in ARBR by the look-at-me, look-at-me trollers... http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/12a4b3b656461fe2 I am happy not to play that game and urge others not play it either. Jon Meinecke net.subtle-apteryx                         Date: 05 Aug 2005 10:53:15 From: Dave Clary Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:31:57 -0500, "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net > wrote: >"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote >> Re: Meinecke >> >> Wow Eddie. You really don't like him do you? > >I've been winning by not playing *that* game for some time. >Check the archives. Compare contributions. Mine go back >to '98 in ARBR. And so do mine...and we had to deal with asshole posters back then as well: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/e461e88403cfa073?hl=en& It goes hand in hand with Usenet. Feed the trolls and they will stay with the food source. You current regulars (I just drop in once and a while these days) should seriously consider the UIP.* Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx EZ-1SC Pilot (Texas P-38 Squadron Retired) http://davidclary.com *UIP n. Usenet Ignore Penalty. Coined by "Menjy", this term is given to the act of completely ignoring a certain poster at all costs.                           Date: 05 Aug 2005 11:22:09 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Dave Clary" <dclary@stx.rr.com > wrote in message news:pmg6f11539nh689ebctvbfgqo2ooaj74lv@4ax.com... > On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:31:57 -0500, "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> > wrote: > >>"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote >>> Re: Meinecke >>> >>> Wow Eddie. You really don't like him do you? >> >>I've been winning by not playing *that* game for some time. >>Check the archives. Compare contributions. Mine go back >>to '98 in ARBR. > > And so do mine...and we had to deal with asshole posters back then as > well: [...] Careful there Dave Clary, you good old Texas boy, or Jon Meinecke will report you to your ISP for using a word like asshole. He does not like that kind of thing and he is a weasel enough to inform on you. Dave Clary is a million times better off with guys like me than he is with guys like Meinecke. Meinecke is essentially a police state informer. He is your family member that will turn you in order to ingratiate himself with the authorities for his own gain. He is of the type who was the main stay of societies like Soviet Communism - you know, the ultimate weasel informer. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                           Date: 05 Aug 2005 10:28:31 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR It has gotten to the point where I find him an amusing idiot. It is kind of like listening to Howard Stern except that Stern with his first amendment bent is sometimes poignant. I am not a Howard Stern fan, however, and I don't go out of my way to listen to him. Likewise I am not an Ed Dolan fan. If his greatest pleasure in life is posting idiotic messages that is fine with me. There are still plenty of on-topic discussions in this ng. Mostly at this point, I pity Ed. There is no use in responding to him although he can be interesting to observe and talk about. He is like the screaming homeless people that you sometimes see. You don't want to look but your attention is drawn to them. Ultimately you realize that they are crazy and you stay away. Jeff "Dave Clary" <dclary@stx.rr.com > wrote in message news:pmg6f11539nh689ebctvbfgqo2ooaj74lv@4ax.com... > On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:31:57 -0500, "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> > wrote: > >>"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote >>> Re: Meinecke >>> >>> Wow Eddie. You really don't like him do you? >> >>I've been winning by not playing *that* game for some time. >>Check the archives. Compare contributions. Mine go back >>to '98 in ARBR. > > And so do mine...and we had to deal with asshole posters back then as > well: > > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/e461e88403cfa073?hl=en& > > It goes hand in hand with Usenet. Feed the trolls and they will stay with > the > food source. > > > You current regulars (I just drop in once and a while these days) should > seriously consider the UIP.* > > Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx > EZ-1SC Pilot (Texas P-38 Squadron Retired) > http://davidclary.com > > *UIP n. Usenet Ignore Penalty. Coined by "Menjy", this term is given to > the act > of completely ignoring a certain poster at all costs.                             Date: 06 Aug 2005 16:17:47 From: nget Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Jeff Grippe Wrote: > It has gotten to the point where I find him an amusing idiot. It is kin > of > like listening to Howard Stern except that Stern with his firs > amendment > bent is sometimes poignant. I am not a Howard Stern fan, however, an > I > don't go out of my way to listen to him. Likewise I am not an Ed Dola > fan. > > If his greatest pleasure in life is posting idiotic messages that i > fine > with me. There are still plenty of on-topic discussions in this ng. > > Mostly at this point, I pity Ed. There is no use in responding to him > although he can be interesting to observe and talk about. > > He is like the screaming homeless people that you sometimes see. Yo > don't > want to look but your attention is drawn to them. Ultimately yo > realize > that they are crazy and you stay away. > > Jeff > "Dave Clary" <dclary@stx.rr.com> wrote in message > news:pmg6f11539nh689ebctvbfgqo2ooaj74lv@4ax.com... > > On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:31:57 -0500, "Jon Meinecke > <jonmein@nospam.net> > > wrote: > > > >>"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote > >>> Re: Meinecke > >>> > >>> Wow Eddie. You really don't like him do you? > >> > >>I've been winning by not playing *that* game for some time. > >>Check the archives. Compare contributions. Mine go back > >>to '98 in ARBR. > > > > And so do mine...and we had to deal with asshole posters back the > as > > well: > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/excuq > > > > It goes hand in hand with Usenet. Feed the trolls and they will sta > with > > the > > food source. > > > > > > You current regulars (I just drop in once and a while these days > should > > seriously consider the UIP.* > > > > Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx > > EZ-1SC Pilot (Texas P-38 Squadron Retired) > > http://davidclary.com > > > > *UIP n. Usenet Ignore Penalty. Coined by "Menjy", this term is give > to > > the act > > of completely ignoring a certain poster at all costs. Jeff ,its time to smell the coffee.There are many Jews making aliya right now and you should consider this for yourself.Your heritage i not in New York but iin the Holy Land.If you do go, would you pleas take Howard Stern with you ,that guy is starting to stink up th place,you know what I mean -- nget                               Date: 07 Aug 2005 04:26:21 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR We have covered this in other threads but basically, while my heritage is Jewish, I have lost the faith. I only consider myself a Jew culturally. While I don't buy into ED's meaning, I find that "New York Jew" or "Liberal New York Jew" actually fits me quite well. In truth, however, I am faithless. Jeff "nget" <nget.1tbxmy@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote in message news:nget.1tbxmy@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com... > > Jeff Grippe Wrote: >> It has gotten to the point where I find him an amusing idiot. It is kind >> of >> like listening to Howard Stern except that Stern with his first >> amendment >> bent is sometimes poignant. I am not a Howard Stern fan, however, and >> I >> don't go out of my way to listen to him. Likewise I am not an Ed Dolan >> fan. >> >> If his greatest pleasure in life is posting idiotic messages that is >> fine >> with me. There are still plenty of on-topic discussions in this ng. >> >> Mostly at this point, I pity Ed. There is no use in responding to him >> although he can be interesting to observe and talk about. >> >> He is like the screaming homeless people that you sometimes see. You >> don't >> want to look but your attention is drawn to them. Ultimately you >> realize >> that they are crazy and you stay away. >> >> Jeff >> "Dave Clary" <dclary@stx.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:pmg6f11539nh689ebctvbfgqo2ooaj74lv@4ax.com... >> > On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:31:57 -0500, "Jon Meinecke" >> <jonmein@nospam.net> >> > wrote: >> > >> >>"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote >> >>> Re: Meinecke >> >>> >> >>> Wow Eddie. You really don't like him do you? >> >> >> >>I've been winning by not playing *that* game for some time. >> >>Check the archives. Compare contributions. Mine go back >> >>to '98 in ARBR. >> > >> > And so do mine...and we had to deal with asshole posters back then >> as >> > well: >> > >> > >> > http://tinyurl.com/excuq >> > >> > It goes hand in hand with Usenet. Feed the trolls and they will stay >> with >> > the >> > food source. >> > >> > >> > You current regulars (I just drop in once and a while these days) >> should >> > seriously consider the UIP.* >> > >> > Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx >> > EZ-1SC Pilot (Texas P-38 Squadron Retired) >> > http://davidclary.com >> > >> > *UIP n. Usenet Ignore Penalty. Coined by "Menjy", this term is given >> to >> > the act >> > of completely ignoring a certain poster at all costs. > > Jeff ,its time to smell the coffee.There are many Jews making aliyah > right now and you should consider this for yourself.Your heritage is > not in New York but iin the Holy Land.If you do go, would you please > take Howard Stern with you ,that guy is starting to stink up the > place,you know what I mean? > > > -- > nget >                                 Date: 08 Aug 2005 00:38:23 From: nget Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Jeff Grippe Wrote: > We have covered this in other threads but basically, while my heritag > is > Jewish, I have lost the faith. I only consider myself a Je > culturally. > While I don't buy into ED's meaning, I find that "New York Jew" o > "Liberal > New York Jew" actually fits me quite well. In truth, however, I am > faithless. > > Jeff > Maybe you never had any faith to lose in the first place and you hav > always been faithless.I think that Catholics lose the faith, Jews jus > decide not to keep His laws and find out He in turn does not kee > them.You must be brave to stay in New York,I consider it the bullsey > in the USA for the terrorists.Those Arabs only want one thing from yo > and it isn't your faith or lack of it -- nget                                   Date: 07 Aug 2005 11:27:57 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR >> Maybe you never had any faith to lose in the first place and you have >> always been faithless.I think that Catholics lose the faith, Jews just >> decide not to keep His laws and find out He in turn does not keep >> them.You must be brave to stay in New York,I consider it the bullseye >> in the USA for the terrorists.Those Arabs only want one thing from you >> and it isn't your faith or lack of it. > -- > nget > I can make that description work for me. My mother did not believe. As a result I was not raised "Jewish". There was no Bar Mitzvah, no Jewish education, nothing really. By the time I became and adult and could choose for myself, it was not something that I could really believe in although I must confess much more ignorance in this area than knowledge. Generally I don't like to stereotype. As for the Arabs, there are some that want me dead because I'm a Jew regardless of what I believe. There are some that want me dead because I'm an American regardless of what I believe. And there are many that are ordinary decent people. The same thing can be said of many nationalities. The Nazis taught us that a charismatic tyrant can get ordinary decent people to at best ignore atrocity and at worst participate. People are easily taught to hate and to see the world as "us" vs. "them". Once hate has been taught it is hard although not impossible to teach peace and tolerance. Children, on the other hand, learn to accept each other easily. They have to be taught to hate. Jeff                                     Date: 08 Aug 2005 08:26:43 From: nget Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Jeff Grippe Wrote: > >> Maybe you never had any faith to lose in the first place and yo > have > >> always been faithless.I think that Catholics lose the faith, Jew > just > >> decide not to keep His laws and find out He in turn does not keep > >> them.You must be brave to stay in New York,I consider it th > bullseye > >> in the USA for the terrorists.Those Arabs only want one thing fro > you > >> and it isn't your faith or lack of it. > > -- > > nget > > > > I can make that description work for me. My mother did not believe. A > a > result I was not raised "Jewish". There was no Bar Mitzvah, no Jewish > education, nothing really. By the time I became and adult and coul > choose > for myself, it was not something that I could really believe i > although I > must confess much more ignorance in this area than knowledge. > > Generally I don't like to stereotype. As for the Arabs, there are som > that > want me dead because I'm a Jew regardless of what I believe. There ar > some > that want me dead because I'm an American regardless of what I believe > And > there are many that are ordinary decent people. > > The same thing can be said of many nationalities. The Nazis taught u > that a > charismatic tyrant can get ordinary decent people to at best ignor > atrocity > and at worst participate. People are easily taught to hate and to se > the > world as "us" vs. "them". Once hate has been taught it is hard althoug > not > impossible to teach peace and tolerance. Children, on the other hand > learn > to accept each other easily. They have to be taught to hate. > > Jeff If there were just some Arabs that were bent on blowing things up w could deal with that,but the numbers are in the millions and that make it a big problem for those who want to live in peace.It is truly sa that the "us" vs. them" is exactly what is being taught in many Ara circles but what can we do about that? I have watched toddlers at play when one of them will pick up hi tonka truck and slam it into another just because he got mad.Parent spend much time and effort teaching their kids to be good but there i no telling exactly how a kid will turn out. We all have a good dog and a bad dog in us, the one you feed is th one that grows -- nget                                       Date: 07 Aug 2005 23:14:21 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "nget" <nget.1tf0r0@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote in message news:nget.1tf0r0@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com... > > If there were just some Arabs that were bent on blowing things up we > could deal with that,but the numbers are in the millions and that makes > it a big problem for those who want to live in peace.It is truly sad > that the "us" vs. them" is exactly what is being taught in many Arab > circles but what can we do about that? > I have watched toddlers at play when one of them will pick up his > tonka truck and slam it into another just because he got mad.Parents > spend much time and effort teaching their kids to be good but there is > no telling exactly how a kid will turn out. > We all have a good dog and a bad dog in us, the one you feed is the > one that grows. > I agree with most of what you said but the Arab world is not the only place where us vs. them is taught. One of my closest friends is an Israeli Jew who was mostly raised over here. He is fairly progressive but concedes that a generation or two may have to die before peace can be achieved. We do seem to be focusing on that segment of the Arab culture that teaches hate but I wonder how much of the culture that really represents. Unfortunately, as we have seen in the past, it doesn't take a huge number to be a really destructive force.                                       Date: 07 Aug 2005 19:12:24 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "nget" <nget.1tf0r0@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com > wrote in message news:nget.1tf0r0@no-mx.forums.cyclingforums.com... > > Jeff Grippe Wrote: >> >> Maybe you never had any faith to lose in the first place and you >> have >> >> always been faithless.I think that Catholics lose the faith, Jews >> just >> >> decide not to keep His laws and find out He in turn does not keep >> >> them.You must be brave to stay in New York,I consider it the >> bullseye >> >> in the USA for the terrorists.Those Arabs only want one thing from >> you >> >> and it isn't your faith or lack of it. >> > -- >> > nget >> > >> >> I can make that description work for me. My mother did not believe. As >> a >> result I was not raised "Jewish". There was no Bar Mitzvah, no Jewish >> education, nothing really. By the time I became and adult and could >> choose >> for myself, it was not something that I could really believe in >> although I >> must confess much more ignorance in this area than knowledge. >> >> Generally I don't like to stereotype. As for the Arabs, there are some >> that >> want me dead because I'm a Jew regardless of what I believe. There are >> some >> that want me dead because I'm an American regardless of what I believe. >> And >> there are many that are ordinary decent people. >> >> The same thing can be said of many nationalities. The Nazis taught us >> that a >> charismatic tyrant can get ordinary decent people to at best ignore >> atrocity >> and at worst participate. People are easily taught to hate and to see >> the >> world as "us" vs. "them". Once hate has been taught it is hard although >> not >> impossible to teach peace and tolerance. Children, on the other hand, >> learn >> to accept each other easily. They have to be taught to hate. >> >> Jeff > > If there were just some Arabs that were bent on blowing things up we > could deal with that,but the numbers are in the millions and that makes > it a big problem for those who want to live in peace.It is truly sad > that the "us" vs. them" is exactly what is being taught in many Arab > circles but what can we do about that? [...] Nget is onto something here. I urge Jeff to consider what is being told to him. A Jew that will not defend himself, considering what has transpired in the past century, is abhorrent to all mankind. Hey Jeff, it is OK to hate those Arabs who want to kill you and all your kind and it is especially OK to want to kill them before they kill you. Jeff reminds me of the self hating Jew who will allow himself to be led to the slaughter house by Hitler's minions. This is what comes of a religion that is tolerant to the point of absurdity and/or what happens when people are too cowardly to defend themselves The Warsaw ghetto uprising was a great moment in Jewish history in WW2, but there should have been hundreds of Warsaw ghetto uprisings. Now the Palestinian Arabs are bent on destroying the state of Israel. What does Jeff think about any of this. It would be interesting to know what a st ass New York liberal Jew has to say about the situation that Israel finds itself in. I am not even Jewish, and I would not mind in the least going to Israel and killing a few thousand Palestinian Arabs. In fact, I am in favor of bringing back the Crusades and kicking Muslim ass all over the planet. Ah, those were the good old days! I do not think Jeff is fit to live in a state like Israel. His liberal secularism has robbed him of his religion which is the only reason for being Jewish in the first place. Jews who are not religious are an abomination. It is the Jewish religion which has insured the survival of the Jew for thousands of years. Without religion, the Jew would have perished along with the Philistines. I am always amazed when others accuse me of being an anti-Semite when I am the greatest defender of the state of Israel who ever lived. When Jews kick Arab ass, I just love it. On the oher hand, I do not like Jews who will not side with Israel. They seem like traitors to their own people. God, how I hate those who do not know who they are and who are not loyal to their own group. Individuals in the grand scheme of things count for nothing. The group is everything. The communists were right about that at least. Let me repeat that since it is very profound wisdom: Individuals in the grand scheme of things count for nothing. The group is everything. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                                     Date: 07 Aug 2005 15:15:51 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message news:11fca6si4u0bi0b@news.supernews.com... >>> Maybe you never had any faith to lose in the first place and you have >>> always been faithless.I think that Catholics lose the faith, Jews just >>> decide not to keep His laws and find out He in turn does not keep >>> them.You must be brave to stay in New York,I consider it the bullseye >>> in the USA for the terrorists.Those Arabs only want one thing from you >>> and it isn't your faith or lack of it. >> -- >> nget >> > > I can make that description work for me. My mother did not believe. As a > result I was not raised "Jewish". There was no Bar Mitzvah, no Jewish > education, nothing really. By the time I became and adult and could choose > for myself, it was not something that I could really believe in although I > must confess much more ignorance in this area than knowledge. The kind of world culture we are increasingly living in is going to destroy everyone's religious faith. However, mankind needs religion and it will never be entirely destroyed, only submerged as it was in the Soviet Union for several generations. Nevertheless, I fear that what is taking place in the world today (increasing secularism under the influence of science) may eventually come to completely destroy mankind's instinct based religious faith that he inherited in his genes from his primate ancestors who needed it in order to deal with the knowledge of death. All animals die but they do not KNOW that they die. We humans uniquely know that we die and that is the reason for all religion. The beginning of wisdom is the fear of death. I will save what I think of Jews who are not religous for another day. > Generally I don't like to stereotype. As for the Arabs, there are some > that want me dead because I'm a Jew regardless of what I believe. There > are some that want me dead because I'm an American regardless of what I > believe. And there are many that are ordinary decent people. > > The same thing can be said of many nationalities. The Nazis taught us that > a charismatic tyrant can get ordinary decent people to at best ignore > atrocity and at worst participate. People are easily taught to hate and to > see the world as "us" vs. "them". Once hate has been taught it is hard > although not impossible to teach peace and tolerance. Children, on the > other hand, learn to accept each other easily. They have to be taught to > hate. ON THE OTHER HAND, it is damn important to hate those back who hate you and to kill those who want to kill you. My main criticism of liberals in general is that they do not hate enough and that most particularly they do not hate the right kind of people. Who to hate? I will give you a long list if you are interested. The kind of tolerance that liberals profess with be the death of us all. Let us learn to hate the kind of people who would kill us. I will save what I think of Jews who do not hate Arabs for another day. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                             Date: 05 Aug 2005 11:49:05 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message news:11f6up6gb1fll21@news.supernews.com... The only idiot here is Jeff Grippe, a st ass New York Jew who favors abortion, references excrement and sex, and who continues to top post even though he knows it is wrong. He has nothing but contempt for this group as he proves every time he top posts. > It has gotten to the point where I find him an amusing idiot. It is kind > of like listening to Howard Stern except that Stern with his first > amendment bent is sometimes poignant. I am not a Howard Stern fan, > however, and I don't go out of my way to listen to him. Likewise I am not > an Ed Dolan fan. Howard Stern like Jeff Grippe is also into excrement and sex big time. I also have no doubt that Stern favors abortion too, just like Grippe does. Grippe was quite right to align himself with scum like Stern. I think Stern is also a st ass New York Jew. Birds of a feather ... > If his greatest pleasure in life is posting idiotic messages that is fine > with me. There are still plenty of on-topic discussions in this ng. Of course there are. Why not tell that to your buddy Jon Meinecke? > Mostly at this point, I pity Ed. There is no use in responding to him > although he can be interesting to observe and talk about. Grippe is a liberal who checked in his brain long ago. He only knows PC (political correctness) like a dumbbell and a zombie. > He is like the screaming homeless people that you sometimes see. You don't > want to look but your attention is drawn to them. Ultimately you realize > that they are crazy and you stay away. Better a crazy st person than a dumb normal person. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                         Date: 04 Aug 2005 20:11:15 From: Steve Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR John, That's really interesting stuff; never mind what he says. Many Internet users are unaware of newsgroups, but many newsgroup participants may not be aware that Usenet existed before the Internet fully developed. I remember that some of the data transmissions were done by servers auto-dialing each other to transfer data over ordinary phone lines. It's amazing how computer communications have developed over the last 30 years, and especially in the last 10. Almost equally amazing, I find, is the ability we now have to store and carry data. I recently aquired a pocket-sized 80 GB external drive for very little money, and it's realistically possible to have a Terabyte of storage in one's desktop computer. Remeber when computers were considered to be calculating machines, and then business machines? Now the biggest use is very likely entertainment of all kinds. Steve Jon Meinecke wrote: > '87 is long enough ago to remember when you had to configure > UUCP and know people who provided your newsfeed personally. > In those days, if you acted like today's troll, you would likely get > a phone call in short order and might find your login being rejected. > > I've been around long enough to know how to examine message > headers and trace routes and IP addresses. Long enough to know > what ISPs will and won't pay attention to... > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/218ed2f8b74bea1a > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/d15ec3cff50a290c > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/9c79ff5866b9a266 >                           Date: 04 Aug 2005 20:17:05 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Steve" <see@reply.to > wrote in message news:94yIe.7138$z91.725223@news20.bellglobal.com... > John, His first name is Jon, not John. If you weren't top posting, you might not make these very elementary mistakes. > That's really interesting stuff; never mind what he says. You had always better mind what Ed Dolan the Great says. Otherwise, you are doomed to ignorance and you will be universally regarded as an idiot. Many Internet > users are unaware of newsgroups, but many newsgroup participants may not > be aware that Usenet existed before the Internet fully developed. I > remember that some of the data transmissions were done by servers > auto-dialing each other to transfer data over ordinary phone lines. > > It's amazing how computer communications have developed over the last 30 > years, and especially in the last 10. Almost equally amazing, I find, is > the ability we now have to store and carry data. I recently aquired a > pocket-sized 80 GB external drive for very little money, and it's > realistically possible to have a Terabyte of storage in one's desktop > computer. > > Remeber when computers were considered to be calculating machines, and > then business machines? Now the biggest use is very likely entertainment > of all kinds. > Steve Steve, I think you are right in that computers and newsgroups now exist solely for the purpose of entertainment. Meinecke goes way back, but that is all ancient history now. I got into computers only a couple of years ago. As far as I am concerned, the computer and the Internet is there for my amusement only. None of us should be taking newsgroups at all seriously. That is the biggest mistake that Meinecke makes. He wants newsgroups to be serious forums for the exchange of information. Those days are gone forever. Even moderated forums are not worth much. Scholars and serious folk will continue to communicate with one another the way they always have, via scholarly publications and peer review. There is no other way. The rest of us are clowns and my genius is that I realize it and act accordingly. Too bad Meinecke does not get up to speed and realize that he is a clown too. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                         Date: From: Subject:                         Date: 04 Aug 2005 16:15:57 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net > wrote in message news:1123155004.21e3efff6acae8c0a3de33e8e910c356@teranews... > "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote >> Re: Meinecke >> >> Wow Eddie. You really don't like him do you? > > I've been winning by not playing *that* game for some time. > Check the archives. Compare contributions. Mine go back > to '98 in ARBR. I've been reading and posting in USENET > newsgroups since '87,-- well before the Internet. > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.sys.ibm.pc/msg/b73c8cc2cee2c1ba > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/11cacdf0eea4ee18 [...] Meinecke and I perform entirely different functions here on ARBR. He is another Tom Sherman who likes to help newbies with their recumbent questions. I have no interest in that at all. My only interest in being here is to deflate all the fools who pontificate without knowing what they are talking about. I have also appointed myself the off topic hall monitor to make sure that liberals and other miscreants get their comeuppance. Meinecke is a relatively harmless fool. He mostly stays on topic except when he is trying to get others booted off ARBR. I have only contempt for him. He really belongs on a moderated forum where he can be with others like himself. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                       Date: 03 Aug 2005 15:42:07 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11f1rasm01v6a7a@news.supernews.com... > Re: Meinecke > > Wow Eddie. You really don't like him do you? Meinecke to his credit does not mention me by name, but we all know who he is talking about. I say to his credit because he has kill filed me and therefore never knows what I am saying fully. He only gets me in bits and pieces from others who quote me at least partially in their responses. He is another Cletus Lee who used to operate this way too. They are birds of a feather - ostriches. Meinecke is a very underhanded kind of character, almost like a woman that way. I DO mention him by name over and over because I want the group to know what kind of scoundrel he is. I think we men admire open and above board kind of guys who do not beat about the bush. Now, of course, I am talking about myself. Meinecke ought to direct his complaints to me instead of to the ether. But I will know how to respond to him no matter how he chooses to evade me when he is whining about me to newbies like Jeff. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                         Date: 03 Aug 2005 18:26:02 From: Steve Subject: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Edward Dolan wrote: > a very underhanded kind of character, almost like a woman that > way. I'll take this bait. You've inferred to disdain liberals, non-whites and non-Americans, and now there is this. Please explain why you feel this way about women. Also, what does it have to do with cycling? Thanks. Steve                           Date: 03 Aug 2005 19:25:27 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Steve, It has nothing to do with cycling and everything to do with his real favorite topic which is Ed Dolan. He is so intent on being the top poster that he is increasing his numbers by leaving messages in praise of himself. It reminds me of the 2000 election in a roundabout sort of way. Jeff PS I'm sorry if the content of this message was at all unclear due to top-posting. "Steve" <see@reply.to > wrote in message news:zrbIe.5435$z91.553332@news20.bellglobal.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> a very underhanded kind of character, almost like a woman that way. > > I'll take this bait. You've inferred to disdain liberals, non-whites and > non-Americans, and now there is this. Please explain why you feel this way > about women. Also, what does it have to do with cycling? Thanks. > Steve                             Date: 04 Aug 2005 01:59:23 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11f2kh54k6hjcdc@news.supernews.com... > Steve, > > It has nothing to do with cycling and everything to do with his real > favorite topic which is Ed Dolan. [...] I personalize my messages so as to make them more interesting to the readers of ARBR. If you had more concern for the readers and less concern for your own ego, you would do the same. Both you and Steve are a couple of assholes. You both top post and you do not include any of the substance of the previous message You are thieves of ARBR and you do not belong here at all. You both need a monitor (moderator) who will baby sit you. Why the hell don't you go to BROL where you will receive some instruction on how to post. I simply can't imagine that anyone would find anything you say either interesting or even relevant. How to you expect the reader to even know what the hell you are talking about. Only I know and what I mainly know is that you are both a couple of morons who do not know how to post correctly. Screw you, you imbecilic top posters who are thieves of ARBR. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                               Date: 04 Aug 2005 21:49:57 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Oh here's a new one: "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:YaWdnWMGlfVNIWzfRVn-sw@prairiewave.com... I call it the side post > > "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message It is new and improved > news:11f2kh54k6hjcdc@news.supernews.com... It makes top posting seem > Steve, ancient. > >>It has nothing to do with cycling and everything to do with his real I think that side posting could >> favorite topic which is Ed Dolan. really catch on if someone > [...] would write some software > to make it easier > I personalize my messages so as to make them more interesting to the readers > of ARBR. If you had more concern for the readers and less concern for your Dolanite beware: > own ego, you would do the same. the era of the side poster > will soon be here > Both you and Steve are a couple of assholes. You both top post and you do > not include any of the substance of the previous message You are thieves of what a pity if this doesn't > ARBR and you do not belong here at all. You both need a monitor (moderator) work and the lines are all > who will baby sit you. Why the hell don't you go to BROL where you will scrambled. > receive some instruction on how to post. > well at least i gave it a shot > I simply can't imagine that anyone would find anything you say either it looked good on my screen > interesting or even relevant. How to you expect the reader to even know what before i hit send > the hell you are talking about. Only I know and what I mainly know is that > you are both a couple of morons who do not know how to post correctly. Screw later chaps, > you, you imbecilic top posters who are thieves of ARBR. jeff >                                 Date: 04 Aug 2005 20:54:13 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11f5ha8c4hd7191@news.supernews.com... > > Oh here's a new one: "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote > in message news:YaWdnWMGlfVNIWzfRVn-sw@prairiewave.com... > I call it the side post > > > "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> > wrote in message > It is new and improved > > news:11f2kh54k6hjcdc@news.supernews.com... > It makes top posting seem > Steve, > ancient. > > >>It has nothing to do with > cycling and everything to do with his real > I think that side posting could >> favorite topic which is Ed Dolan. > really catch on if someone > [...] > would write some software > > to make it easier > I personalize my messages so as to > make them more interesting to the readers > > of ARBR. If you had more > concern for the readers and less concern for your > Dolanite beware: > own ego, you would do the same. > the era of the side poster > > will soon be here > Both you and Steve are a couple of > assholes. You both top post and you do > > not include any of the > substance of the previous message You are thieves of > what a pity if this doesn't > ARBR and you do not belong here at > all. You both need a monitor (moderator) > work and the lines are all > who will baby sit you. Why the hell > don't you go to BROL where you will > scrambled. > receive some instruction on how to > post. > > > well at least i gave it a shot > I simply can't imagine that anyone > would find anything you say either > it looked good on my screen > interesting or even relevant. How to you > expect the reader to even know what > before i hit send > the hell you are talking about. > Only I know and what I mainly know is that > > you are both a couple of > morons who do not know how to post correctly. Screw > later chaps, > you, you imbecilic top posters > who are thieves of ARBR. > jeff > > Total Garbage! But keep them coming so I can become the champion poster to ARBR. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                                 Date: 04 Aug 2005 21:55:47 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Well this was a stunning failure. Hey but at least I tried. I guess I'll stick to top posting. Jeff "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11f5ha8c4hd7191@news.supernews.com... > > Oh here's a new one: "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote > in message news:YaWdnWMGlfVNIWzfRVn-sw@prairiewave.com... > I call it the side post > > > "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> > wrote in message > It is new and improved > > news:11f2kh54k6hjcdc@news.supernews.com... > It makes top posting seem > Steve, > ancient. > > >>It has nothing to do with > cycling and everything to do with his real > I think that side posting could >> favorite topic which is Ed Dolan. > really catch on if someone > [...] > would write some software > > to make it easier > I personalize my messages so as to > make them more interesting to the readers > > of ARBR. If you had more > concern for the readers and less concern for your > Dolanite beware: > own ego, you would do the same. > the era of the side poster > > will soon be here > Both you and Steve are a couple of > assholes. You both top post and you do > > not include any of the > substance of the previous message You are thieves of > what a pity if this doesn't > ARBR and you do not belong here at > all. You both need a monitor (moderator) > work and the lines are all > who will baby sit you. Why the hell > don't you go to BROL where you will > scrambled. > receive some instruction on how to > post. > > > well at least i gave it a shot > I simply can't imagine that anyone > would find anything you say either > it looked good on my screen > interesting or even relevant. How to you > expect the reader to even know what > before i hit send > the hell you are talking about. > Only I know and what I mainly know is that > > you are both a couple of > morons who do not know how to post correctly. Screw > later chaps, > you, you imbecilic top posters > who are thieves of ARBR. > jeff > > >                                   Date: 05 Aug 2005 10:59:28 From: Dave Clary Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:55:47 -0400, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote: >Well this was a stunning failure. Hey but at least I tried. I guess I'll >stick to top posting. > >Jeff It's actually quite easy if you use a real newsreader (like Agent) and dump Outlook Express. And you get the added bonus of being less vulnerable to virus and worm attacks. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx EZ-1SC Pilot (Texas P-38 Squadron Retired)                                     Date: 05 Aug 2005 10:20:34 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR I tried Agent. I even paid for it. I guess I'm just used to OE. Besides it easy to check my email and then check my ng's. Jeff "Dave Clary" <dclary@stx.rr.com > wrote in message news:ehh6f1hl3r3ht968v3vi0uu95v6h8jcbob@4ax.com... > On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:55:47 -0400, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote: > >>Well this was a stunning failure. Hey but at least I tried. I guess I'll >>stick to top posting. >> >>Jeff > > It's actually quite easy if you use a real newsreader (like Agent) and > dump > Outlook Express. And you get the added bonus of being less vulnerable to > virus > and worm attacks. > > Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx > EZ-1SC Pilot (Texas P-38 Squadron Retired) >                                     Date: 05 Aug 2005 12:23:05 From: Dave Larrington Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Dave Clary wrote: > On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 21:55:47 -0400, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote: > >> Well this was a stunning failure. Hey but at least I tried. I guess >> I'll stick to top posting. >> >> Jeff > > It's actually quite easy if you use a real newsreader (like Agent) > and dump Outlook Express. And you get the added bonus of being less > vulnerable to virus and worm attacks. One can even do it /with/ Outhouse Excess, provided one installs OE-Quotefix from URL:http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/ -- Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ > May you have an accident shaped like an umbrella.                                   Date: 04 Aug 2005 20:57:19 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11f5hl6a10luq1b@news.supernews.com... > Well this was a stunning failure. Hey but at least I tried. I guess I'll > stick to top posting. > > Jeff Yes, by all means. Establish yourself firmly as an idiot. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                             Date: 03 Aug 2005 23:17:15 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11f2kh54k6hjcdc@news.supernews.com... > Steve, > > It has nothing to do with cycling and everything to do with his real > favorite topic which is Ed Dolan. > > He is so intent on being the top poster that he is increasing his numbers > by leaving messages in praise of himself. It reminds me of the 2000 > election in a roundabout sort of way. I will shortly become the all time champion poster to ARBR without ever intending such a thing. I take my events one by one on ARBR and play fair and square with everyone. Now I will shortly be rewarded for my humble efforts by being crowned King of the Hill. Many of Mr. Sherman's posts were one liners and many others were strictly screwball posts. Only Ed Dolan the Great has maintained a consistent level of quality to his posts. ARBR must be the luckiest newsgroup in existence to have had such a great soul as myself honor them with his presence. It is all part of my noblesse oblige as a superior personage which I confer on my inferiors. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                             Date: 03 Aug 2005 21:21:17 From: Steve Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Jeff, At least he's unlikely to father/ have fathered many children, if his disdain for women is genuine. BTW, your message was perfectly clear. Steve Jeff Grippe wrote: > Steve, > > It has nothing to do with cycling and everything to do with his real > favorite topic which is Ed Dolan. > > He is so intent on being the top poster that he is increasing his numbers by > leaving messages in praise of himself. It reminds me of the 2000 election in > a roundabout sort of way. > > Jeff > > PS I'm sorry if the content of this message was at all unclear due to > top-posting. > > "Steve" <see@reply.to> wrote in message > news:zrbIe.5435$z91.553332@news20.bellglobal.com... > >>Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> >>> a very underhanded kind of character, almost like a woman that way. >> >>I'll take this bait. You've inferred to disdain liberals, non-whites and >>non-Americans, and now there is this. Please explain why you feel this way >>about women. Also, what does it have to do with cycling? Thanks. >>Steve > > >                               Date: 04 Aug 2005 01:27:49 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Steve" <see@reply.to > wrote in message news:S%dIe.5543$z91.582554@news20.bellglobal.com... > Jeff, > At least he's unlikely to father/ have fathered many children, if his > disdain for women is genuine. [...] Steve has now entered the list in my Black Book of those who are scoundrels and enemies. Here is the complete previous pertinent passage to which he was responding: "Women, as all the world knows, are inferior to men in intelligence and physical prowess. Therefore, it is their way to be underhanded and devious to get what they want. Meinecke reminds me of a woman the way he will not confront me directly, but instead makes his reks about me indirectly via posts to others. Those others have their own opportunities to come to their own conclusions about me without any help from the likes of a third party like Meinecke who behaves like a woman. Glad I was able to clear that up for you! [...] He might want to think about having his sex changed too if he thinks women are ster and stronger than men. However, women are infinitely better than men in almost every other respect. Some women are as bad as they are because they have been corrupted by men. But women are just naturally good; in fact, they are all saints compared to Steve and I." Are there any fair minded readers left here on ARBR? Where is the disdain for women when I tell him that women are superior to men in every way except intelligence and physical strength. Steve is a scoundrel because he does not play the game of newsgroup fair. He top posts without any reference to the message that he is responding to. Since he is a scoundrel, I will treat him like one henceforth. Jeff is another jackass who consistently does this sort of thing. The only way to prevent it, unless you have a very large brain like me that knows how to edit, is to include all of the relevant post. That way, even if you are an idiot like Steve and Jeff, you will at least not show yourself to be a scoundrel. I am fed up with these assholes who do not know the first thing about how to post. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                               Date: 03 Aug 2005 23:25:52 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Steve" <see@reply.to > wrote in message news:S%dIe.5543$z91.582554@news20.bellglobal.com... > Jeff, > At least he's unlikely to father/ have fathered many children, if his > disdain for women is genuine. BTW, your message was perfectly clear. > Steve Nothing but idiot top posters left on ARBR! Just because I say that women are inferior to men in intelligence and physical strength does not mean that I regard them as overall inferior. Au contraire! However, I am not into reproduction like most of the male slobs in the world. After all, the world was perfected with my entrance into it. You can't improve on perfection. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                             Date: 04 Aug 2005 01:21:28 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:25:27 -0400, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote: >Steve, > >It has nothing to do with cycling and everything to do with his real >favorite topic which is Ed Dolan. > >He is so intent on being the top poster Now, now, Jeff. I thought you *at least* by now now knew how Mr. Ed feels about 'top posters'. Indiana Mike >that he is increasing his numbers by >leaving messages in praise of himself. It reminds me of the 2000 election in >a roundabout sort of way. > >Jeff > >PS I'm sorry if the content of this message was at all unclear due to >top-posting. Come to think of it, I bet that no matter how many irrelevant, off-topic, egocentric posts (and I'll admit right now that he occassionaly includes something recumbent oriented, if only to shock) Mr. Ed can rack up, no matter the numbers, he will never be the top poster that Mr. Grippe is. > >"Steve" <see@reply.to> wrote in message >news:zrbIe.5435$z91.553332@news20.bellglobal.com... >> Edward Dolan wrote: >> >>> a very underhanded kind of character, almost like a woman that way. >> >> I'll take this bait. You've inferred to disdain liberals, non-whites and >> non-Americans, and now there is this. Please explain why you feel this way >> about women. Also, what does it have to do with cycling? Thanks. >> Steve >                               Date: 03 Aug 2005 21:28:48 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Certainly I know, Mike. Did you think the top posting was an accident? "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:k1r2f11a6qlu6p01bjat74ahg42a5dmj5m@4ax.com... > On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:25:27 -0400, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote: > > Now, now, Jeff. I thought you *at least* by now now knew how Mr. Ed > feels about 'top posters'. > > Indiana Mike >                                 Date: 04 Aug 2005 01:41:33 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:28:48 -0400, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote: >Certainly I know, Mike. Did you think the top posting was an accident? Nope, just wanted to congratulate you for beating Mr. Ed in becoming the top poster! Mike > >"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote in message >news:k1r2f11a6qlu6p01bjat74ahg42a5dmj5m@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:25:27 -0400, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote: >> >> Now, now, Jeff. I thought you *at least* by now now knew how Mr. Ed >> feels about 'top posters'. >> >> Indiana Mike >> >                                   Date: 03 Aug 2005 23:34:58 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:1hs2f1t0rt942pd6q7ijrbm2fbs27f4fv1@4ax.com... > On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:28:48 -0400, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote: > >>Certainly I know, Mike. Did you think the top posting was an accident? > > Nope, just wanted to congratulate you for beating Mr. Ed in becoming > the top poster! > > Mike Mike, Jeff is not nearly as st as he imagines himself to be. He is a New York Jew and these types think they are ster than us Gentiles. However, I lived in New York when I was young and soon learned that Jews are about as stupid as they come. It is their arrogance that defeats them every time. You really do have to be stupid to be that arrogant. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >>"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote in message >>news:k1r2f11a6qlu6p01bjat74ahg42a5dmj5m@4ax.com... >>> On Wed, 3 Aug 2005 19:25:27 -0400, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote: >>> >>> Now, now, Jeff. I thought you *at least* by now now knew how Mr. Ed >>> feels about 'top posters'. >>> >>> Indiana Mike                           Date: 03 Aug 2005 18:11:44 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Women Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Steve" <see@reply.to > wrote in message news:zrbIe.5435$z91.553332@news20.bellglobal.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> a very underhanded kind of character, almost like a woman that way. > > I'll take this bait. You've inferred to disdain liberals, non-whites and > non-Americans, and now there is this. Please explain why you feel this way > about women. Also, what does it have to do with cycling? Thanks. > Steve I dislike having to explain the obvious. Women, as all the world knows, are inferior to men in intelligence and physical prowess. Therefore, it is their way to be underhanded and devious to get what they want. Meinecke reminds me of a woman the way he will not confront me directly, but instead makes his reks about me indirectly via posts to others. Those others have their own opportunities to come to their own conclusions about me without any help from the likes of a third party like Meinecke who behaves like a woman. Glad I was able to clear that up for you! If Steve thinks Americans are not the best, that Whites are not the best and that Conservatives are not the best, then why doesn't he go somewhere where he can be among the best as he sees it. I suggest Nigeria to him. He might want to think about having his sex changed too if he thinks women are ster and stronger than men. However, women are infinitely better than men in almost every other respect. Some women are as bad as they are because they have been corrupted by men. But women are just naturally good; in fact, they are all saints compared to Steve and I. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota PS. Is ARBR about cycling? I hadn't noticed.                 Date: 02 Aug 2005 16:01:25 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message news:11evid4qb7klpca@news.supernews.com... > > "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> wrote in message > news:1123007555.2e68f61f32e03b0fc47ca4fe2011a87c@teranews... >> "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote > >> My question: What do you lend him by engagement and >> what is the broader effect? Not that it matters... >> > > I'm a slow learner and he show glimmers of rationality at times but I > think I've finally got it. I hope that is the last time I'm sucked into > one of his idiotic tirades. > > Jeff When I pass Tom Sherman as the most prolific poster ever to ARBR you can look forward to a momentous announcement by me. I will expect congratulations and best wishes from all and sundry. Some of you may want to send me special gifts. Only soreheads like Meinecke will refuse to acknowledge my Greatness. Stay tuned! Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                   Date: 03 Aug 2005 03:00:58 From: Slugger Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR In article <2ZGdnY8Seqi1QnLfRVn-3A@prairiewave.com >, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote in message > news:11evid4qb7klpca@news.supernews.com... > > > > "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> wrote in message > > news:1123007555.2e68f61f32e03b0fc47ca4fe2011a87c@teranews... > >> "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote > > > >> My question: What do you lend him by engagement and > >> what is the broader effect? Not that it matters... > >> > > > > I'm a slow learner and he show glimmers of rationality at times but I > > think I've finally got it. I hope that is the last time I'm sucked into > > one of his idiotic tirades. > > > > Jeff > > When I pass Tom Sherman as the most prolific poster ever to ARBR you can > look forward to a momentous announcement by me. I will expect > congratulations and best wishes from all and sundry. Some of you may want to > send me special gifts. Only soreheads like Meinecke will refuse to > acknowledge my Greatness. Stay tuned! > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > How cute! Eddie misses his play friend Tom Sherman.                     Date: 03 Aug 2005 09:28:32 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com > wrote in message news:020820052000046315%upyer@bumbum.com... > In article <2ZGdnY8Seqi1QnLfRVn-3A@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote in message >> news:11evid4qb7klpca@news.supernews.com... >> > >> > "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> wrote in message >> > news:1123007555.2e68f61f32e03b0fc47ca4fe2011a87c@teranews... >> >> "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote >> > >> >> My question: What do you lend him by engagement and >> >> what is the broader effect? Not that it matters... >> >> >> > >> > I'm a slow learner and he show glimmers of rationality at times but I >> > think I've finally got it. I hope that is the last time I'm sucked into >> > one of his idiotic tirades. >> > >> > Jeff >> >> When I pass Tom Sherman as the most prolific poster ever to ARBR you can >> look forward to a momentous announcement by me. I will expect >> congratulations and best wishes from all and sundry. Some of you may want >> to >> send me special gifts. Only soreheads like Meinecke will refuse to >> acknowledge my Greatness. Stay tuned! >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> > How cute! > Eddie misses his play friend Tom Sherman. Tom Sherman is not missed, neither by me nor anyone else. He was a plodder, much like Meinecke. The few times he ever got inspired was when he came under my influence. He was a dyed in the wool liberal and therefore hopeless - much like upyerbumbum Slugger that way. The only difference is that I had to more careful around Tom because he showed glimmers of intelligence from time to time, something Slugger never does. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota             Date: 02 Aug 2005 09:18:38 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message news:11eutp07r40pde1@news.supernews.com... > > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:H5KdnY0GXbSvU3PfRVn-tw@prairiewave.com... > >> Where the hell do you get off thinking you can post anyway you want? >> > > Where do you get off thinking that I can't? As you yourself have pointed > out in the past, usenet is a free range. Get over this Ed. There is no set > of rules that must be followed about how to post. There are rules for everything in life. All this crock about everyone being free to do whatever they want (as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else) is a bunch of liberal hooey. I want everyone severely restrained from their natural inclinations and their insane notions of freedom. Is ARBR a newsGROUP or is it just a random assemblage of nuts and screwballs? Do we belong to society or are we just free floating individuals? Jeff Grippe is just a step away from becoming a criminal troll due to his reprehensible technique of posting. How is it possible to have no sense of shame about any of this. I attribute it to the liberal mentality which is incapable of conceiving that liberalism could ever be 100% wrong about everything. Freedom from rules are only for those like myself who have proven themselves to be superior beings and Great Saints. It is not for the likes of Jeff Grippe who is a secular Jew who thinks abortion is a fine thing to prevent the world from being overrun by unwanted children. It's like I am free to kill you and you are free to be killed. That is the liberal's insane notion of freedom. Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 30 Jul 2005 22:33:16 From: Slugger Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR In article <5vKdnW3Ci72EMnbfRVn-iQ@prairiewave.com >, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > For as long as I have been a member of ARBR, a certain Mr. Tom Sherman has > always been the most prolific poster. That is about to change very shortly, > unless he returns and resumes his one liner posts. Yours truly, Ed Dolan the > Great, is soon to overtake Tom Sherman and become the all time champion > poster to ARBR. > > Here is the relevant information for those of you who are interested in such > esoterica: > > http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about?hl=en > > Moreover, my posts are not one liners without any content to them which was > often the case with Tom Sherman's posts. I never tried for this record > though. It just sort of happened due to all the wrangles I get into with > everyone here on ARBR. > > When the big day arrives that I surpass Tom Sherman as the most prolific > poster, I will call everyone's attention to it. These are the sort of things > that I am good at. I am expecting that congratulations will be in order from > all and sundry. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > Sounds like somebody's mommy or daddy didn't give him enough attention when he was a boy.     Date: 30 Jul 2005 18:19:51 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com > wrote in message news:300720051532357651%upyer@bumbum.com... > In article <5vKdnW3Ci72EMnbfRVn-iQ@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> For as long as I have been a member of ARBR, a certain Mr. Tom Sherman >> has >> always been the most prolific poster. That is about to change very >> shortly, >> unless he returns and resumes his one liner posts. Yours truly, Ed Dolan >> the >> Great, is soon to overtake Tom Sherman and become the all time champion >> poster to ARBR. >> >> Here is the relevant information for those of you who are interested in >> such >> esoterica: >> >> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about?hl=en >> >> Moreover, my posts are not one liners without any content to them which >> was >> often the case with Tom Sherman's posts. I never tried for this record >> though. It just sort of happened due to all the wrangles I get into with >> everyone here on ARBR. >> >> When the big day arrives that I surpass Tom Sherman as the most prolific >> poster, I will call everyone's attention to it. These are the sort of >> things >> that I am good at. I am expecting that congratulations will be in order >> from >> all and sundry. >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> >> > Sounds like somebody's mommy or daddy didn't give him enough attention > when he was a boy. Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup in just a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota       Date: 05 Aug 2005 05:12:35 From: Slugger Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR In article <RZmdncHZRsG8lnHfRVn-pQ@prairiewave.com >, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com> wrote in message > news:300720051532357651%upyer@bumbum.com... > > In article <5vKdnW3Ci72EMnbfRVn-iQ@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan > > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > > > >> For as long as I have been a member of ARBR, a certain Mr. Tom Sherman > >> has > >> always been the most prolific poster. That is about to change very > >> shortly, > >> unless he returns and resumes his one liner posts. Yours truly, Ed Dolan > >> the > >> Great, is soon to overtake Tom Sherman and become the all time champion > >> poster to ARBR. > >> > >> Here is the relevant information for those of you who are interested in > >> such > >> esoterica: > >> > >> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about?hl=en > >> > >> Moreover, my posts are not one liners without any content to them which > >> was > >> often the case with Tom Sherman's posts. I never tried for this record > >> though. It just sort of happened due to all the wrangles I get into with > >> everyone here on ARBR. > >> > >> When the big day arrives that I surpass Tom Sherman as the most prolific > >> poster, I will call everyone's attention to it. These are the sort of > >> things > >> that I am good at. I am expecting that congratulations will be in order > >> from > >> all and sundry. > >> > >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > >> > >> > > Sounds like somebody's mommy or daddy didn't give him enough attention > > when he was a boy. > > Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup in just > a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota If you post that same message again you'll be there soon enough dolan. I don't know why anyone would be proud of that feat but there is not much I understand about you and your simpleton ways.         Date: 05 Aug 2005 00:38:07 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com > wrote in message news:040820052211458414%upyer@bumbum.com... > In article <RZmdncHZRsG8lnHfRVn-pQ@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: [...] >> Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup in >> just >> a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > > If you post that same message again you'll be there soon enough dolan. > I don't know why anyone would be proud of that feat but there is not > much I understand about you and your simpleton ways. >> Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup in >> just >> a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota           Date: 06 Aug 2005 22:39:56 From: Slugger Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR In article <zvidnTHs6I_bZm_fRVn-gw@prairiewave.com >, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com> wrote in message > news:040820052211458414%upyer@bumbum.com... > > In article <RZmdncHZRsG8lnHfRVn-pQ@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan > > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > [...] > >> Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup in > >> just > >> a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. > >> > >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > > > > > If you post that same message again you'll be there soon enough dolan. > > I don't know why anyone would be proud of that feat but there is not > > much I understand about you and your simpleton ways. > > >> Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup in > >> just > >> a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > Uh what? No content again Dolan? So lame dude. So lame.             Date: 07 Aug 2005 04:20:24 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Slugger, The Dolan is lacking in any real content. He does enjoy using whatever he can to get a response. This is probably to compensate for the lack of any genuine personality. Are you really surprised? Jeff "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com > wrote in message news:060820051539093069%upyer@bumbum.com... > In article <zvidnTHs6I_bZm_fRVn-gw@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com> wrote in message >> news:040820052211458414%upyer@bumbum.com... >> > In article <RZmdncHZRsG8lnHfRVn-pQ@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan >> > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: >> [...] >> >> Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup >> >> in >> >> just >> >> a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. >> >> >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> > >> > >> > If you post that same message again you'll be there soon enough dolan. >> > I don't know why anyone would be proud of that feat but there is not >> > much I understand about you and your simpleton ways. >> >> >> Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup >> >> in >> >> just >> >> a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> >> > > Uh what? No content again Dolan? So lame dude. So lame.               Date: 07 Aug 2005 14:16:51 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message news:11fbh4h9pfg0n14@news.supernews.com... > Slugger, > > The Dolan is lacking in any real content. He does enjoy using whatever he > can to get a response. This is probably to compensate for the lack of any > genuine personality. Are you really surprised? > > Jeff Slugger gets treated by me exactly how he deserves to get treated. When he posts content, I will respond with content. When he posts tripe, then that is what he will get back. Unlike you, I know how to deal with idiots, having had an education on the subject here on ARBR. Be careful that you do not fall into that class yourself as I will know how to deal with you. Never forget, I lived in New York (New York means New York City for all of you who have never known the Big Apple) for many years and I know all about st ass New York Jews. The rek about personality is extremely funny. I am one of the very few here on ARBR who has splurged his personality all over the place. One of my main criticisms of other types is that they do not display enough personality. I hate dead types like Meinecke. You are OK in this respect as is Slugger. However, I have nothing but the greatest contempt for those who are afraid to let their personalities blossom here on ARBR. What the hell are newsgroups for anyway if not to display our personalities. I even knew how to bring Tom Sherman out of his shell. He was an engineering type who needed to be lead. Some of it was good, some of it was not so good. But who cares? It was fun and we had a great time. Meinecke would like to kill this newsgroup by limiting it to on topic posts - just a medium of exchange for information about recumbents. He is my mortal enemy. I disagree with him most profoundly about what newgroups are for. Too bad he will not debate me about any of this. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota             Date: 06 Aug 2005 20:52:22 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com > wrote in message news:060820051539093069%upyer@bumbum.com... > In article <zvidnTHs6I_bZm_fRVn-gw@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com> wrote in message >> news:040820052211458414%upyer@bumbum.com... >> > In article <RZmdncHZRsG8lnHfRVn-pQ@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan >> > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: >> [...] >> >> Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup >> >> in >> >> just >> >> a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. >> >> >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> > >> > >> > If you post that same message again you'll be there soon enough dolan. >> > I don't know why anyone would be proud of that feat but there is not >> > much I understand about you and your simpleton ways. >> >> >> Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup >> >> in >> >> just >> >> a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> >> > > Uh what? No content again Dolan? So lame dude. So lame. >> >> Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup >> >> in >> >> just >> >> a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota               Date: 15 Aug 2005 19:53:20 From: Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Anal Retentive Ed, You threatened me the same way and what happened? Nothing! You couldn't back up your word! In other words you're a liar! Put up or shut up! Enjoy, Perry Butler PS, I see you're still anal retentive about how YOU think people should post on newsgroups! Edward Dolan wrote: > You are strictly into e-mail and should not be posting to a newsgroup at > all. Since I have no desire to correspond with you on an e-mail level and > since your method of posting will never rise to the level of newsgroup > posting, I shall not bother with you any further. I leave idiots like you to > other idiots of which ARBR has no shortage. > > You want to be very careful about what you say to the group about me since I > now have enough ammunition to use against you and I assure you that I will > use it in retaliation. Since you are not capable of taking me on directly, I > strongly suggest that you do not attempt it indirectly as I will know how to > deal with you in ways that you won't like. Also, do not step on my posts for > no good reason or I will return the favor with interest. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                 Date: 16 Aug 2005 16:20:28 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR <perryb67@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1124160800.379946.280490@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... Need I say it - all top posters are idiots! But at least Perry Butler, unlike Jeff Grippe, includes my message to which he is responding at the bottom of his post. So Perry is ginally more fair and honest than Jeff. > Anal Retentive Ed, > > You threatened me the same way and what happened? Nothing! You > couldn't back up your word! In other words you're a liar! Put up or > shut up! > > Enjoy, > > Perry Butler > > PS, I see you're still anal retentive about how YOU think people should > post on newsgroups! Perry, I recommend Jeff Grippe to you. The two of you should soon become bosom buddies. He, like you, is a liberal nut and screwball who refuses to post correctly. He, also like you, loves to call others liars with whom he disagrees. Since neither one of you has any intellect, I cannot imagine what you will end up talking about. Maybe if you restrict your conversations to the delights of riding your recumbents on bike trails it might work. But I advise that you stay off of anything the least bit intellectual or you, like him, will become the laughing stock of ARBR. He thinks the Rock of Gibraltar is eroding away and will soon be unrecognizable. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > Edward Dolan wrote: >> You are strictly into e-mail and should not be posting to a newsgroup at >> all. Since I have no desire to correspond with you on an e-mail level and >> since your method of posting will never rise to the level of newsgroup >> posting, I shall not bother with you any further. I leave idiots like you >> to >> other idiots of which ARBR has no shortage. >> >> You want to be very careful about what you say to the group about me >> since I >> now have enough ammunition to use against you and I assure you that I >> will >> use it in retaliation. Since you are not capable of taking me on >> directly, I >> strongly suggest that you do not attempt it indirectly as I will know how >> to >> deal with you in ways that you won't like. Also, do not step on my posts >> for >> no good reason or I will return the favor with interest. >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >               Date: 07 Aug 2005 23:18:59 From: Slugger Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR In article <2bOdnTfZRo7C9GjfRVn-hA@prairiewave.com >, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com> wrote in message > news:060820051539093069%upyer@bumbum.com... > > In article <zvidnTHs6I_bZm_fRVn-gw@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan > > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > > > >> "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com> wrote in message > >> news:040820052211458414%upyer@bumbum.com... > >> > In article <RZmdncHZRsG8lnHfRVn-pQ@prairiewave.com>, Edward Dolan > >> > <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> [...] > >> >> Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup > >> >> in > >> >> just > >> >> a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. > >> >> > >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > >> > > >> > > >> > If you post that same message again you'll be there soon enough dolan. > >> > I don't know why anyone would be proud of that feat but there is not > >> > much I understand about you and your simpleton ways. > >> > >> >> Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup > >> >> in > >> >> just > >> >> a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. > >> > >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > >> > >> > > > > Uh what? No content again Dolan? So lame dude. So lame. > > >> >> Still, it is not easy to post more than 5000 messages to a newsgroup > >> >> in > >> >> just > >> >> a couple of years. If you don't think so, try it sometime. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota And you call yourself a prolific poster? You piss on everyone elses posts yet you can't post anything of any worth. I should just kill file your crazy ass. You have absolutely nothing to say about bikes. You are a useless tit. Truly sad. No need to respond if you have nothing to say chief.                 Date: 08 Aug 2005 03:17:00 From: Dave Clary Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On Sun, 07 Aug 2005 23:18:59 GMT, Slugger <upyer@bumbum.com > wrote: >And you call yourself a prolific poster? You piss on everyone elses >posts yet you can't post anything of any worth. I should just kill file >your crazy ass. What a concept! Try it. Dave Clary/Corpus Christi, Tx Home: http://davidclary.com                 Date: 07 Aug 2005 20:50:59 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com > wrote in message news:070820051618147723%upyer@bumbum.com... [...] > And you call yourself a prolific poster? You piss on everyone elses > posts yet you can't post anything of any worth. I should just kill file > your crazy ass. You have absolutely nothing to say about bikes. You are > a useless tit. > Truly sad. No need to respond if you have nothing to say chief. Nothing but name calling going on here. Slugger cannot tell the difference between name calling and adding some content. He will have to add content if he wants a response from Ed Dolan the Great. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                   Date: 08 Aug 2005 07:51:47 From: Slugger Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR In article <kLKdnZ2dnZ1CB5b-nZ2dnRkna9-dnZ2dRVn-y52dnZ0@prairiewave.com >, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com> wrote in message > news:070820051618147723%upyer@bumbum.com... > [...] > > And you call yourself a prolific poster? You piss on everyone elses > > posts yet you can't post anything of any worth. I should just kill file > > your crazy ass. You have absolutely nothing to say about bikes. You are > > a useless tit. > > Truly sad. No need to respond if you have nothing to say chief. > > Nothing but name calling going on here. Slugger cannot tell the difference > between name calling and adding some content. He will have to add content if > he wants a response from Ed Dolan the Great. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > Triple your meds. Lay off the vino. Meds and vino don't mix.                     Date: 08 Aug 2005 13:31:50 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Slugger" <upyer@bumbum.com > wrote in message news:080820050051033858%upyer@bumbum.com... [...] > Triple your meds. Lay off the vino. Meds and vino don't mix. I am trying to figure out if drinking vino has any effect on my blood pressure. I have one of the highest known blood pressures in the universe (240/120). That is what most of my meds are for - to bring down my BP and put it in a normal range. So far, I don't think the vino has any effect provided I don't overdue it. By the way, don't believe all that hooey about exercise being the cure all for what ails you. I went out for 2 hours a day almost every day for 20 years riding my bike and I still ended up with the world's highest BP. If it weren't for my meds, I would be resting peacefully out at the local cemetery. FDR actually died of high blood pressure. They didn't have any good treatments for it back then. He was always going down to Georgia for rest and relaxation, but that is no treatment for high BP at all. Only medication will bring it down. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota                       Date: 16 Aug 2005 14:41:19 From: Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Gee Ed, I see you can't respond to the post! ADHD? Enjoy, Perry B Edward Dolan wrote: > <perryb67@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1124160800.379946.280490@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Need I say it - all top posters are idiots! But at least Perry Butler, > unlike Jeff Grippe, includes my message to which he is responding at the > bottom of his post. So Perry is ginally more fair and honest than Jeff. > > > Anal Retentive Ed, > > > > You threatened me the same way and what happened? Nothing! You > > couldn't back up your word! In other words you're a liar! Put up or > > shut up! > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Perry Butler > > > > PS, I see you're still anal retentive about how YOU think people should > > post on newsgroups! > > Perry, I recommend Jeff Grippe to you. The two of you should soon become > bosom buddies. He, like you, is a liberal nut and screwball who refuses to > post correctly. He, also like you, loves to call others liars with whom he > disagrees. Since neither one of you has any intellect, I cannot imagine > what you will end up talking about. Maybe if you restrict your conversations > to the delights of riding your recumbents on bike trails it might work. But > I advise that you stay off of anything the least bit intellectual or you, > like him, will become the laughing stock of ARBR. He thinks the Rock of > Gibraltar is eroding away and will soon be unrecognizable. > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> You are strictly into e-mail and should not be posting to a newsgroup at > >> all. Since I have no desire to correspond with you on an e-mail level and > >> since your method of posting will never rise to the level of newsgroup > >> posting, I shall not bother with you any further. I leave idiots like you > >> to > >> other idiots of which ARBR has no shortage. > >> > >> You want to be very careful about what you say to the group about me > >> since I > >> now have enough ammunition to use against you and I assure you that I > >> will > >> use it in retaliation. Since you are not capable of taking me on > >> directly, I > >> strongly suggest that you do not attempt it indirectly as I will know how > >> to > >> deal with you in ways that you won't like. Also, do not step on my posts > >> for > >> no good reason or I will return the favor with interest. > >> > >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > >                         Date: 16 Aug 2005 21:03:13 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR <perryb67@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1124228479.755885.287610@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Gee Ed, I see you can't respond to the post! ADHD? Perry will take me on directly which I can respect. The only ones I have complete contempt for are those who comment on me via other's posts and then claim they have kill filed me. Cletus Lee springs immediately to mind as does Jon Meinecke. Those types are scoundrels and that is how I treat them. Perry has never done that and so far Jeff is just toying with the idea. Basically I regard Perry and Jeff as just your next door not unfriendly idiots. I don't mind them as I have had to deal with these types all of my life. They have neglected their minds and have refused to become intellectuals for reasons of their own. Perry is mostly into nothing but name calling and that I understand. He is jealous of me and if I were him I would be jealous of me too. It is nothing but a complement to my Greatness. Perry is also from Minnesota like me and so I THOROUGHLY understand him. He is petty and vindictive to the bitter end. We Minnesotans are like that. What is ADHD? Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > Edward Dolan wrote: >> <perryb67@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1124160800.379946.280490@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> Need I say it - all top posters are idiots! But at least Perry Butler, >> unlike Jeff Grippe, includes my message to which he is responding at the >> bottom of his post. So Perry is ginally more fair and honest than >> Jeff. >> >> > Anal Retentive Ed, >> > >> > You threatened me the same way and what happened? Nothing! You >> > couldn't back up your word! In other words you're a liar! Put up or >> > shut up! >> > >> > Enjoy, >> > >> > Perry Butler >> > >> > PS, I see you're still anal retentive about how YOU think people should >> > post on newsgroups! >> >> Perry, I recommend Jeff Grippe to you. The two of you should soon become >> bosom buddies. He, like you, is a liberal nut and screwball who refuses >> to >> post correctly. He, also like you, loves to call others liars with whom >> he >> disagrees. Since neither one of you has any intellect, I cannot imagine >> what you will end up talking about. Maybe if you restrict your >> conversations >> to the delights of riding your recumbents on bike trails it might work. >> But >> I advise that you stay off of anything the least bit intellectual or you, >> like him, will become the laughing stock of ARBR. He thinks the Rock of >> Gibraltar is eroding away and will soon be unrecognizable. >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> >> >> > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> You are strictly into e-mail and should not be posting to a newsgroup >> >> at >> >> all. Since I have no desire to correspond with you on an e-mail level >> >> and >> >> since your method of posting will never rise to the level of newsgroup >> >> posting, I shall not bother with you any further. I leave idiots like >> >> you >> >> to >> >> other idiots of which ARBR has no shortage. >> >> >> >> You want to be very careful about what you say to the group about me >> >> since I >> >> now have enough ammunition to use against you and I assure you that I >> >> will >> >> use it in retaliation. Since you are not capable of taking me on >> >> directly, I >> >> strongly suggest that you do not attempt it indirectly as I will know >> >> how >> >> to >> >> deal with you in ways that you won't like. Also, do not step on my >> >> posts >> >> for >> >> no good reason or I will return the favor with interest. >> >> >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> > >   Date: 30 Jul 2005 21:43:32 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:47:13 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: >For as long as I have been a member of ARBR, a certain Mr. Tom Sherman has >always been the most prolific poster. That is about to change very shortly, >unless he returns and resumes his one liner posts. Yours truly, Ed Dolan the >Great, is soon to overtake Tom Sherman and become the all time champion >poster to ARBR. > >Here is the relevant information for those of you who are interested in such >esoterica: > >http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about?hl=en > >Moreover, my posts are not one liners without any content to them which was >often the case with Tom Sherman's posts. I never tried for this record >though. It just sort of happened due to all the wrangles I get into with >everyone here on ARBR. > >When the big day arrives that I surpass Tom Sherman as the most prolific >poster, I will call everyone's attention to it. These are the sort of things >that I am good at. I am expecting that congratulations will be in order from >all and sundry. > >Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > I'm not very much surprised to learn that you may be about to become the most prolific poster to this group. I'll take your word on this as I can't get excited enough to follow the link you conveniently provide. Somehow I don't find that trooly equatable with 'champion' poster. Didn't even realize there had been a competition running. Indiana Mike PS-congrats on your persistance.     Date: 30 Jul 2005 18:15:54 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:14tne11fods0jfec3mtl7g80ae8ksc80ce@4ax.com... > On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:47:13 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> > wrote: > >>For as long as I have been a member of ARBR, a certain Mr. Tom Sherman has >>always been the most prolific poster. That is about to change very >>shortly, >>unless he returns and resumes his one liner posts. Yours truly, Ed Dolan >>the >>Great, is soon to overtake Tom Sherman and become the all time champion >>poster to ARBR. >> >>Here is the relevant information for those of you who are interested in >>such >>esoterica: >> >>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about?hl=en >> >>Moreover, my posts are not one liners without any content to them which >>was >>often the case with Tom Sherman's posts. I never tried for this record >>though. It just sort of happened due to all the wrangles I get into with >>everyone here on ARBR. >> >>When the big day arrives that I surpass Tom Sherman as the most prolific >>poster, I will call everyone's attention to it. These are the sort of >>things >>that I am good at. I am expecting that congratulations will be in order >>from >>all and sundry. >> >>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >> > > I'm not very much surprised to learn that you may be about to become > the most prolific poster to this group. I'll take your word on this as > I can't get excited enough to follow the link you conveniently > provide. You should have a look at that link Mike. If you look at the number of posts listed in the archives over the years you will note some very interesting numbers. ARBR was at it's prime several years ago and has been in a decline for the past couple of years. But the big falling off occurs after the criminal vandal troll appears, each and every time. The group is slowly making a recovery, but I don't believe it will ever get back to where it once was. Newgroups are actually very delicate creations. They can easily be destroyed by a single criminal vandal troll. Those of us who cherish this group need to defend it when it comes under attack. I did what I could the last time around, but one person cannot defend the group. The group must rise as one to defend itself. Old timers who do not defend the group against criminal vandal trolls are beneath contempt and I reserve a special venom for them. Tom Sherman left the group after the last episode. I was death on him because he would not defend the group against the criminal vandal troll. I treat most of the rest of the old timers with contempt too because of the way they behaved when the criminal vandal troll ruined the group. Mr. Meinecke, who caterwauls about improving the group, did absolutely nothing when it came under attack. Cowards are just so despicable. > Somehow I don't find that trooly equatable with 'champion' poster. > Didn't even realize there had been a competition running. > > Indiana Mike > > PS-congrats on your persistance. Tom Sherman would keep track of stuff like this. He once brought it to the attention of the group that he and I were responsible for a thread that had gone on for almost 600 posts. This is what happens when one Billy goat encounters another Billy goat. We butt heads until we become senseless and drop from exhaustion. I could generally out last Tom Sherman, but it was never an easy thing to do. There are at present no others on ARBR who can compare to Tom Sherman for stubborn resistance to the brilliance and genius of Ed Dolan the Great. I always respected Mr. Sherman no matter how much I disagreed with him because he played the game of newsgroup fair and square. The only types I cannot stand are criminal vandal trolls of which ARBR has thankfully had only a few. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota       Date: 31 Jul 2005 01:46:43 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Apologies to the group for this long-ish post. On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:15:54 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > >"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote in message >news:14tne11fods0jfec3mtl7g80ae8ksc80ce@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:47:13 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> >> wrote: >> >>>For as long as I have been a member of ARBR, a certain Mr. Tom Sherman has >>>always been the most prolific poster. That is about to change very >>>shortly, >>>unless he returns and resumes his one liner posts. Yours truly, Ed Dolan >>>the >>>Great, is soon to overtake Tom Sherman and become the all time champion >>>poster to ARBR. >>> >>>Here is the relevant information for those of you who are interested in >>>such >>>esoterica: >>> >>>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about?hl=en >>> >>>Moreover, my posts are not one liners without any content to them which >>>was >>>often the case with Tom Sherman's posts. I never tried for this record >>>though. It just sort of happened due to all the wrangles I get into with >>>everyone here on ARBR. >>> >>>When the big day arrives that I surpass Tom Sherman as the most prolific >>>poster, I will call everyone's attention to it. These are the sort of >>>things >>>that I am good at. I am expecting that congratulations will be in order >>>from >>>all and sundry. >>> >>>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >>> >> >> I'm not very much surprised to learn that you may be about to become >> the most prolific poster to this group. I'll take your word on this as >> I can't get excited enough to follow the link you conveniently >> provide. > >You should have a look at that link Mike. If you look at the number of posts >listed in the archives over the years you will note some very interesting >numbers. ARBR was at it's prime several years ago and has been in a decline >for the past couple of years. But the big falling off occurs after the >criminal vandal troll appears, each and every time. The group is slowly >making a recovery, but I don't believe it will ever get back to where it >once was. OK, I did check out the link. Interesting, indeed. I found this group in mid '03 while deciding which recumbent I to buy. The decline (I'm guessing you are referring to the decline in numbers of posts...I also wonder about percentage of relevent (not necessarily 'on topic' ones as well) was already begun, apparently, but I being new was unaware. I found this group to be a good source of information and to contain a wide variety of perspectives, mostly related to recumbent cycling. The decline did not gain my notice until fairly recently, I see that about five months back the numbers of posts took the biggest drop ever. Frankly I blamed this on the likes of you and Mr. Sherman. Notice the past tense in that sentaence. I don't use kill filing, but believe it to be appropriate in the case of the vandal trolls you describe. I am sure, however, that I was not the only reader to be discouraged when viewing the latest batch of posts only to find that the useful ones were buried among a seemingly never ending list of a couple of brats teasing each other. It seemed this group was being buried. The criminal types were obvious, and I generally subscribe to the theory that if they got no feedback boredom would drive them elsewhere. However, if a cantankerous old goat insisted on butting heads with them they would derive the only pleasure in their sad little lives and settle in for the long haul. > >Newgroups are actually very delicate creations. They can easily be destroyed >by a single criminal vandal troll. Those of us who cherish this group need >to defend it when it comes under attack. I did what I could the last time >around, but one person cannot defend the group. The group must rise as one >to defend itself. Old timers who do not defend the group against criminal >vandal trolls are beneath contempt and I reserve a special venom for them. Remember the old saw,'never argue with a fool, your audience might not be able to tell the difference?' I think your battles with the trolls may have prolonged their stay. You never let any thread die without at least one more jab, niether would the true (am I spelling this word correctly? My poor IDIOT mind seems to have a special problem with it) troll. Indiana Mike > >Tom Sherman left the group after the last episode. I was death on him >because he would not defend the group against the criminal vandal troll. I >treat most of the rest of the old timers with contempt too because of the >way they behaved when the criminal vandal troll ruined the group. Mr. >Meinecke, who caterwauls about improving the group, did absolutely nothing >when it came under attack. Cowards are just so despicable. > >> Somehow I don't find that trooly equatable with 'champion' poster. >> Didn't even realize there had been a competition running. >> >> Indiana Mike >> >> PS-congrats on your persistance. > >Tom Sherman would keep track of stuff like this. He once brought it to the >attention of the group that he and I were responsible for a thread that had >gone on for almost 600 posts. This is what happens when one Billy goat >encounters another Billy goat. We butt heads until we become senseless and >drop from exhaustion. I could generally out last Tom Sherman, but it was >never an easy thing to do. > >There are at present no others on ARBR who can compare to Tom Sherman for >stubborn resistance to the brilliance and genius of Ed Dolan the Great. I >always respected Mr. Sherman no matter how much I disagreed with him because >he played the game of newsgroup fair and square. The only types I cannot >stand are criminal vandal trolls of which ARBR has thankfully had only a >few. > >Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > >         Date: 21 Aug 2005 05:46:37 From: Johnny ReBike Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On 30-Jul-2005, Mike Rice <jodymike@gte.net > wrote: > Frankly I blamed this on the likes of you and Mr. Sherman. Notice the > past tense in that sentaence. Mr. Sherman is gone (hard at work at his job, no doubt), yet slacker E. D. continues to post useless crapola. Who is the problem here? -- Johnny ReBike ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe           Date: 21 Aug 2005 12:06:47 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 05:46:37 GMT, "Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com > wrote: > >On 30-Jul-2005, Mike Rice <jodymike@gte.net> wrote: > >> Frankly I blamed this on the likes of you and Mr. Sherman. Notice the >> past tense in that sentaence. > >Mr. Sherman is gone (hard at work at his job, no doubt), yet slacker E. D. >continues to post useless crapola. Who is the problem here? As Mr. Ed's self proclaimed 'milestone' nears this group is becoming a ghost town. eddie's egocentric braying has cluttered the landscape so badly that all that is left seems to be his inane chatter. He has become reduced to talking to himself. I wish Wilbur would regain some control, but fear that the barn door has too long been left open. At least we have our resident poet to provide some relief, even if the name of the group has become (temporarily, one hopes) irrelevant. Indiana Mike             Date: 21 Aug 2005 23:03:26 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:q5rgg1tvaf10onleu6l8mlo2jclmelbdpo@4ax.com... > On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 05:46:37 GMT, "Johnny ReBike" > <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com> wrote: > >> >>On 30-Jul-2005, Mike Rice <jodymike@gte.net> wrote: >> >>> Frankly I blamed this on the likes of you and Mr. Sherman. Notice the >>> past tense in that sentaence. >> >>Mr. Sherman is gone (hard at work at his job, no doubt), yet slacker E. D. >>continues to post useless crapola. Who is the problem here? > > As Mr. Ed's self proclaimed 'milestone' nears this group is becoming a > ghost town. eddie's egocentric braying has cluttered the landscape so > badly that all that is left seems to be his inane chatter. He has > become reduced to talking to himself. I wish Wilbur would regain some > control, but fear that the barn door has too long been left open. > > At least we have our resident poet to provide some relief, even if > the name of the group has become (temporarily, one hopes) irrelevant. > > Indiana Mike Indiana Mike is as free as he ever was to post as many on-topic messages as his little heart desires. Unlike Johnny Rebike (Ed Gin), I NEVER interfere with such messages. Poor Indiana Mike does not have a clue about anything respecting this group. It was Johnny Rebike (Ed Gin) who destroyed this group. Don't believe me? Go back and have another look at the Google statistics for this group and you will immediately see where the big drop off occurred. It was in ch of this year after Ed Gin completely destroyed this group with his forgeries, his Monkey Island crapola and his overall criminal behavior. But this group constantly gathers naifs like Indiana Mike who think they know enough to comment on the group. This group is now as dead as a door nail and all it took was just one criminal vandal troll to kill it. That is why I have such contempt for newsgroups and will soon be gone from here never to return. I have said it once or twice before, but it bears repeating for the blind and deaf: NEWSGROUPS ARE FOR IDIOTS AND MORONS! ARBR is never going to come back to where it was because no self respecting recumbent enthusiast of any dignity will have anything to do with it. If you want to post and/or read messages about recumbents go to BROL, or better yet subscribe to RCN, the only honest source for information about recumbents. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota               Date: 23 Aug 2005 01:53:00 From: Johnny ReBike Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On 21-Aug-2005, "Edward Doofus" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > Indiana Mike is as free as he ever was to post as many on-topic messages > as > his little heart desires. Unlike Johnny Rebike (Ed Gin), I NEVER interfere > > with such messages. > > Poor Indiana Mike does not have a clue about anything respecting this > group. > It was Johnny Rebike (Ed Gin) who destroyed this group. Don't believe me? > Go > back and have another look at the Google statistics for this group and you > > will immediately see where the big drop off occurred. It was in ch of > this year after Ed Gin completely destroyed this group with his forgeries, > > his Monkey Island crapola and his overall criminal behavior. Eddie boy, Johnny ReBike is not Ed Gin. Only a doofus would think that. -- Johnny ReBike ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----                 Date: 22 Aug 2005 22:38:01 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com > wrote in message news:1124762136_467@spool6-east.superfeed.net... > > On 21-Aug-2005, "Edward Doofus" <edolan@iw.net> wrote: > >> Indiana Mike is as free as he ever was to post as many on-topic messages >> as >> his little heart desires. Unlike Johnny Rebike (Ed Gin), I NEVER >> interfere >> >> with such messages. >> >> Poor Indiana Mike does not have a clue about anything respecting this >> group. >> It was Johnny Rebike (Ed Gin) who destroyed this group. Don't believe me? >> Go >> back and have another look at the Google statistics for this group and >> you >> >> will immediately see where the big drop off occurred. It was in ch of >> this year after Ed Gin completely destroyed this group with his >> forgeries, >> >> his Monkey Island crapola and his overall criminal behavior. > > Eddie boy, > > Johnny ReBike is not Ed Gin. Only a doofus would think that. Your style is as unmistakable as is the content of your posts. You can no more camouflage your posts than I can. We both have inimitable styles which give us away. I hope we can be civil to one another and not repeat the last episode. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota               Date: 22 Aug 2005 04:16:09 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:03:26 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: <major snip > > NEWSGROUPS ARE FOR IDIOTS AND MORONS! >... Must be why we feel so at home. Indiana Mike               Date: 22 Aug 2005 04:14:16 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:03:26 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > >"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote in message >news:q5rgg1tvaf10onleu6l8mlo2jclmelbdpo@4ax.com... >> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 05:46:37 GMT, "Johnny ReBike" >> <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>On 30-Jul-2005, Mike Rice <jodymike@gte.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Frankly I blamed this on the likes of you and Mr. Sherman. Notice the >>>> past tense in that sentaence. >>> >>>Mr. Sherman is gone (hard at work at his job, no doubt), yet slacker E. D. >>>continues to post useless crapola. Who is the problem here? >> >> As Mr. Ed's self proclaimed 'milestone' nears this group is becoming a >> ghost town. eddie's egocentric braying has cluttered the landscape so >> badly that all that is left seems to be his inane chatter. He has >> become reduced to talking to himself. I wish Wilbur would regain some >> control, but fear that the barn door has too long been left open. >> >> At least we have our resident poet to provide some relief, even if >> the name of the group has become (temporarily, one hopes) irrelevant. >> >> Indiana Mike > >Indiana Mike is as free as he ever was to post as many on-topic messages as >his little heart desires. Unlike Johnny Rebike (Ed Gin), I NEVER interfere >with such messages. > >Poor Indiana Mike does not have a clue about anything respecting this group. >It was Johnny Rebike (Ed Gin) who destroyed this group. Don't believe me? Go >back and have another look at the Google statistics for this group and you >will immediately see where the big drop off occurred. It was in ch of >this year after Ed Gin completely destroyed this group with his forgeries, >his Monkey Island crapola and his overall criminal behavior. > >But this group constantly gathers naifs like Indiana Mike who think they >know enough to comment on the group. This group is now as dead as a door >nail and all it took was just one criminal vandal troll to kill it. That is >why I have such contempt for newsgroups and will soon be gone from here >never to return. I have said it once or twice before, but it bears repeating >for the blind and deaf: NEWSGROUPS ARE FOR IDIOTS AND MORONS! > >ARBR is never going to come back to where it was because no self respecting >recumbent enthusiast of any dignity will have anything to do with it. If you >want to post and/or read messages about recumbents go to BROL, or better yet >subscribe to RCN, the only honest source for information about recumbents. I must not have been paying attention, Ed. What does RCN stand for? Indiana Mike                 Date: 22 Aug 2005 00:42:16 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:17kig1p3ikpoe2u9c7p6f92gmg3njh981c@4ax.com... > On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:03:26 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> > wrote: > >> >>"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote in message >>news:q5rgg1tvaf10onleu6l8mlo2jclmelbdpo@4ax.com... >>> On Sun, 21 Aug 2005 05:46:37 GMT, "Johnny ReBike" >>> <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>On 30-Jul-2005, Mike Rice <jodymike@gte.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Frankly I blamed this on the likes of you and Mr. Sherman. Notice the >>>>> past tense in that sentaence. >>>> >>>>Mr. Sherman is gone (hard at work at his job, no doubt), yet slacker E. >>>>D. >>>>continues to post useless crapola. Who is the problem here? >>> >>> As Mr. Ed's self proclaimed 'milestone' nears this group is becoming a >>> ghost town. eddie's egocentric braying has cluttered the landscape so >>> badly that all that is left seems to be his inane chatter. He has >>> become reduced to talking to himself. I wish Wilbur would regain some >>> control, but fear that the barn door has too long been left open. >>> >>> At least we have our resident poet to provide some relief, even if >>> the name of the group has become (temporarily, one hopes) irrelevant. >>> >>> Indiana Mike >> >>Indiana Mike is as free as he ever was to post as many on-topic messages >>as >>his little heart desires. Unlike Johnny Rebike (Ed Gin), I NEVER interfere >>with such messages. >> >>Poor Indiana Mike does not have a clue about anything respecting this >>group. >>It was Johnny Rebike (Ed Gin) who destroyed this group. Don't believe me? >>Go >>back and have another look at the Google statistics for this group and you >>will immediately see where the big drop off occurred. It was in ch of >>this year after Ed Gin completely destroyed this group with his forgeries, >>his Monkey Island crapola and his overall criminal behavior. >> >>But this group constantly gathers naifs like Indiana Mike who think they >>know enough to comment on the group. This group is now as dead as a door >>nail and all it took was just one criminal vandal troll to kill it. That >>is >>why I have such contempt for newsgroups and will soon be gone from here >>never to return. I have said it once or twice before, but it bears >>repeating >>for the blind and deaf: NEWSGROUPS ARE FOR IDIOTS AND MORONS! >> >>ARBR is never going to come back to where it was because no self >>respecting >>recumbent enthusiast of any dignity will have anything to do with it. If >>you >>want to post and/or read messages about recumbents go to BROL, or better >>yet >>subscribe to RCN, the only honest source for information about recumbents. > > I must not have been paying attention, Ed. What does RCN stand for? > > Indiana Mike It is appropriate to use initials for recumbent specific words on this recumbent newsgroup. RCN stand for Recumbent Cyclist News. It is a publication by Robert Bryant of Washington who does practically all the work of the magazine himself. He has been doing this for many years now and has earned great credibility in the world of recumbents as a result of his honesty and forthrightness. It is a magazine for recumbent enthusiasts and not any industry sales flyer like so many others I could name. By the way, I have every issue of RCN going back to the beginning. Those of you who think BROL is the cat's pajamas are naive in the extreme. BROL is a Johnny come lately and their reviews are highly suspect. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                   Date: 22 Aug 2005 10:14:35 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:42:16 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > >"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote in message >> I must not have been paying attention, Ed. What does RCN stand for? >> >> Indiana Mike > >It is appropriate to use initials for recumbent specific words on this >recumbent newsgroup. > >RCN stand for Recumbent Cyclist News. It is a publication by Robert Bryant >of Washington who does practically all the work of the magazine himself. He >has been doing this for many years now and has earned great credibility in >the world of recumbents as a result of his honesty and forthrightness. It is >a magazine for recumbent enthusiasts and not any industry sales flyer like >so many others I could name. > >By the way, I have every issue of RCN going back to the beginning. Those of >you who think BROL is the cat's pajamas are naive in the extreme. BROL is a >Johnny come lately and their reviews are highly suspect. Thanks for the info, from the letters RCN I knew that you were refering to Recumbent Cycling News, although some lurkers may not have been familiar with that august publication. You may have been the only one on this forum who missed my little joke (quoted above). 'Attention' being the priy word in ADD and ADHD mentioned in another thread. Do you still pretend not to be familiar with Adult Attention Disorder? Indiana Mike                     Date: 22 Aug 2005 16:01:37 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:s39jg1p7lud1sd2eci02kh02n8b78g66nh@4ax.com... > On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:42:16 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> > wrote: [...] > You may have been the only one on this forum who missed my little joke > (quoted above). 'Attention' being the priy word in ADD and ADHD > mentioned in another thread. Do you still pretend not to be familiar > with Adult Attention Disorder? > > Indiana Mike It is incumbent on the writer who uses initials to explain what they stand for when asked. If one does not want to be asked what the initials mean, then write it out in full. The reader need never look up anything provided he is proficient in the English language as commonly written and understood. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                       Date: 22 Aug 2005 17:30:33 From: HHS Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:wYSdnQsggtWvoJfeRVn-pw@prairiewave.com... > > "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote in message > news:s39jg1p7lud1sd2eci02kh02n8b78g66nh@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 00:42:16 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> >> wrote: > [...] >> You may have been the only one on this forum who missed my little joke >> (quoted above). 'Attention' being the priy word in ADD and ADHD >> mentioned in another thread. Do you still pretend not to be familiar >> with Adult Attention Disorder? >> >> Indiana Mike > > It is incumbent on the writer who uses initials to explain what they stand > for when asked. If one does not want to be asked what the initials mean, > then write it out in full. The reader need never look up anything provided > he is proficient in the English language as commonly written and > understood. > > -- Ed is right. I too am weary of those who love to unremittingly spew acronyms and jargon at the populace. I find these people monotonous and uninteresting and communication suffers because of them. From my experience they can usually be found working in the lower levels of government or schools. And no, I don't know what the letters ADHD might stand for - nor is it important enough for me to bother looking it up. Ed isn't the only one who feels this way.                         Date: 22 Aug 2005 21:16:58 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "HHS" <hhs@nospam.com > wrote in message news:9f2dnYnFjPt9zJfeRVn-iA@comcast.com... > > Ed is right. > > I too am weary of those who love to unremittingly spew acronyms and > jargon at the populace. I find these people monotonous and uninteresting > and communication suffers > because of them. From my experience they can usually be found working in > the lower levels of government or schools. > > And no, I don't know what the letters ADHD might stand for - nor is it > important enough for me to bother looking it up. > > Ed isn't the only one who feels this way. > Then don't look it up if you feel that way. You must realize that some acronyms become part of the language. Some are passing and some aren't. Somehow I don't imagine that you object to people who use FBI, CIA, DEA, USA, NYPD, or any of many that you happen to be familiar with. You would consider it strange if they didn't use the acronym because the acronym has become part of the general language. For that matter LOL, ROTFL and many other internet acronyms are also accepted without resistance. If I say ISP, AOL, DSL, ISDN, etc. I don't get accused of being uninteresting. So you are not familiar with ADD and ADHD but many people are. It has made the cover of many national magazines, been reported extensively on network and cable television news, and is generally pretty well known. It really doesn't qualify as jargon at this point. It is merely something that you haven't been exposed to and don't understand. All of this started because of a joke that was made in which it was suggested that Ed suffered from ADHD. If you want to get the joke then you are going to have to look it up. Based on the number of hits you will get I think you will find that it is hardly obscure. Jargon and "shop talk" have their place and there are places where they clearly don't belong including most newsgroups. Not everything that you don't understand is jargon, however, some of it is just things with which you are unfamiliar. Jeff                           Date: 22 Aug 2005 22:32:34 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11gku8cg46q58a8@news.supernews.com... > > "HHS" <hhs@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:9f2dnYnFjPt9zJfeRVn-iA@comcast.com... >> >> Ed is right. >> >> I too am weary of those who love to unremittingly spew acronyms and >> jargon at the populace. I find these people monotonous and uninteresting >> and communication suffers >> because of them. From my experience they can usually be found working in >> the lower levels of government or schools. >> >> And no, I don't know what the letters ADHD might stand for - nor is it >> important enough for me to bother looking it up. >> >> Ed isn't the only one who feels this way. >> > > Then don't look it up if you feel that way. I sure as hell won't look up anything that is not in common usage. It is presumptuous and arrogant of others to not spell things out. You must realize that some > acronyms become part of the language. Some few do, but most don't. It is only the bamboozlers who pretend to know more than they actually do that resort to initials and acronyms. Is the hallk of the ignorant. Some are passing and some aren't. > Somehow I don't imagine that you object to people who use FBI, CIA, DEA, > USA, NYPD, or any of many that you happen to be familiar with. You would > consider it strange if they didn't use the acronym because the acronym has > become part of the general language. Those you list above are in the common language of every American. They may or may not be in the common language of non-Americans. You presume too much. Still, I do like to read the full version of what initials and acronyms stand for every now and then. The New York Police Department instead of NYPD. Yes! For that matter LOL, ROTFL and many > other internet acronyms are also accepted without resistance. If I say > ISP, AOL, DSL, ISDN, etc. I don't get accused of being uninteresting. All of the above could be spelled out. It is annoying and irritating to be confronted with this idiotic jargon. Frankly, I am fed up with it. Computer nerds are the lowest scum there is. Screw them! > So you are not familiar with ADD and ADHD but many people are. It has made > the cover of many national magazines, been reported extensively on network > and cable television news, and is generally pretty well known. It really > doesn't qualify as jargon at this point. It is merely something that you > haven't been exposed to and don't understand. All of this started because > of a joke that was made in which it was suggested that Ed suffered from > ADHD. If you want to get the joke then you are going to have to look it > up. Based on the number of hits you will get I think you will find that it > is hardly obscure. I will not look up crap like this. I asked what it meant and all I get are know it all comments from idiots like you. Write it out if you want to be understood. > Jargon and "shop talk" have their place and there are places where they > clearly don't belong including most newsgroups. Not everything that you > don't understand is jargon, however, some of it is just things with which > you are unfamiliar. I do think it is appropriate to use some recumbent shortcuts on this group since it is a recumbent newsgroup. But never assume that others will know what you are talking about when you get into other types of jargon and using initials and acronyms which have nothing to do with recumbents. I was taught in school to use the King's English. I have read thousands of books that also use the King's English. Damn it all to Hell, I am not going to bother with those who do not use the King's English! -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                             Date: 23 Aug 2005 06:18:10 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:_eadnReRacZIBZfeRVn-oQ@prairiewave.com... > > I will not look up crap like this. I asked what it meant and all I get are > know it all comments from idiots like you. Write it out if you want to be > understood. > No Ed, you didn't ask. If you had asked, I would have answered. You are far to arrogant to ask. Instead you got confrontational and flat out refused to ask. But why am I telling you this. You know who you are and what you did. Remember when they called Kerry a "flip flopper"? If he was one then it must be a skill he learned from you as you are clearly the living master of the art.                               Date: 23 Aug 2005 20:30:35 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11gltv4e3ute6c1@news.supernews.com... > > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:_eadnReRacZIBZfeRVn-oQ@prairiewave.com... >> >> I will not look up crap like this. I asked what it meant and all I get >> are know it all comments from idiots like you. Write it out if you want >> to be understood. >> > > No Ed, you didn't ask. If you had asked, I would have answered. You are > far to arrogant to ask. Instead you got confrontational and flat out > refused to ask. But why am I telling you this. You know who you are and > what you did. Remember when they called Kerry a "flip flopper"? If he was > one then it must be a skill he learned from you as you are clearly the > living master of the art. Well, I clearly asked SOMEONE what it meant. Maybe Perry Butler? But I am way too lazy to go back and look any of this up. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                           Date: 22 Aug 2005 22:32:12 From: HHS Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11gku8cg46q58a8@news.supernews.com... > > "HHS" <hhs@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:9f2dnYnFjPt9zJfeRVn-iA@comcast.com... >> >> Ed is right. >> >> I too am weary of those who love to unremittingly spew acronyms and >> jargon at the populace. I find these people monotonous and uninteresting >> and communication suffers >> because of them. From my experience they can usually be found working in >> the lower levels of government or schools. >> >> And no, I don't know what the letters ADHD might stand for - nor is it >> important enough for me to bother looking it up. >> >> Ed isn't the only one who feels this way. >> > > Then don't look it up if you feel that way. You must realize that some > acronyms become part of the language. Some are passing and some aren't. > Somehow I don't imagine that you object to people who use FBI, CIA, DEA, > USA, NYPD, or any of many that you happen to be familiar with. You would > consider it strange if they didn't use the acronym because the acronym has > become part of the general language. For that matter LOL, ROTFL and many > other internet acronyms are also accepted without resistance. If I say > ISP, AOL, DSL, ISDN, etc. I don't get accused of being uninteresting. Yeah that's fine. Mentioning FBI, USA, and CIA isn't exactly what I would call unremittant spewing of acronyms and jargon. And yes, I know AOL stands for America On Line. But truth be known I don't know what the acronyms DSL (Direct Service Line?) and ISDN stand for. Would you tell me if I asked? > > So you are not familiar with ADD and ADHD but many people are. It has made > the cover of many national magazines, been reported extensively on network > and cable television news, and is generally pretty well known. It really > doesn't qualify as jargon at this point. It is merely something that you > haven't been exposed to and don't understand. All of this started because > of a joke that was made in which it was suggested that Ed suffered from > ADHD. If you want to get the joke then you are going to have to look it > up. Based on the number of hits you will get I think you will find that it > is hardly obscure. ADD I suspect is Attention Deficit Disorder, but I don't know what ADHD stands for. I suppose I should pay more attention to magazine covers. Could it possibly be a disorder that people who constantly make up new acronyms might suffer from? That would be my hope. > <snip > Not everything that you > don't understand is jargon, however, some of it is just things with which > you are unfamiliar. > Can you give me an example?                             Date: 23 Aug 2005 06:12:25 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "HHS" <hhs@nospam.com > wrote in message news:w5WdnYLvDrQOBZfeRVn-sw@comcast.com... > > > Can you give me an example? > You provided the examples yourself. DSL is Digital Subscriber Line or Digital Service Line. It doesn't matter. You know that DSL = High Speed Internet without having to know the exact details of what the acronym stands for. My point was that it has become commonly understood and is no longer in the category of jargon. If I said "digital subscriber line" without capitalization you might not understand me but you know that DSL = high speed internet. The H in ADHD is for hyperactivity. The rest of the acronym you appear to understand. ADD and ADHD are used together. There are more similarities than differences. ADHD is becoming more used than ADD. ADD was the "technical term" that replaced the older "Hyperactive". For most non-medical purposes the two can be used interchangeably. I have no problem explaining acronyms that you don't understand unless, like our friend Ed, you post a message that says "I'm not going to ask and I'm not going to look it up". That amounts to pride in ignorance. As for other examples, it really is impossible for me to know what you don't know but there are gaps in everyone's knowledge including mine. It happens all the time that someone shows me the simplest thing that I end up being surprised I didn't already know. I am often amazed but never do I claim that if I don't already know it, it isn't worth knowing. Jeff                               Date: 23 Aug 2005 20:37:37 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11gltkev832ca0@news.supernews.com... [...] > I have no problem explaining acronyms that you don't understand unless, > like our friend Ed, you post a message that says "I'm not going to ask and > I'm not going to look it up". That amounts to pride in ignorance. > > As for other examples, it really is impossible for me to know what you > don't know but there are gaps in everyone's knowledge including mine. It > happens all the time that someone shows me the simplest thing that I end > up being surprised I didn't already know. I am often amazed but never do I > claim that if I don't already know it, it isn't worth knowing. I expect others to write everything out unless the initials and acronyms are as common as mud. It is highly presumptuous to expect the reader to look up anything that is not common knowledge by resorting to initials and acronyms. Intelligent writers never do that sort of thing. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota                                 Date: 24 Aug 2005 02:46:26 From: Johnny ReBike Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On 23-Aug-2005, "E(dward) D(olan)" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > I expect others to write everything out unless the initials and acronyms > are > as common as mud. It is highly presumptuous to expect the reader to look > up > anything that is not common knowledge by resorting to initials and > acronyms. > Intelligent writers never do that sort of thing. We all know what E.D. stands for -- Johnny ReBike ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =----                               Date: 23 Aug 2005 06:23:30 From: HHS Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11gltkev832ca0@news.supernews.com... > > "HHS" <hhs@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:w5WdnYLvDrQOBZfeRVn-sw@comcast.com... >> >> >> Can you give me an example? >> > > You provided the examples yourself. DSL is Digital Subscriber Line or > Digital Service Line. It doesn't matter. You know that DSL = High Speed > Internet without having to know the exact details of what the acronym > stands for. My point was that it has become commonly understood and is no > longer in the category of jargon. If I said "digital subscriber line" > without capitalization you might not understand me but you know that DSL = > high speed internet. > > The H in ADHD is for hyperactivity. The rest of the acronym you appear to > understand. ADD and ADHD are used together. There are more similarities > than differences. ADHD is becoming more used than ADD. ADD was the > "technical term" that replaced the older "Hyperactive". For most > non-medical purposes the two can be used interchangeably. > > I have no problem explaining acronyms that you don't understand unless, > like our friend Ed, you post a message that says "I'm not going to ask and > I'm not going to look it up". That amounts to pride in ignorance. > > As for other examples, it really is impossible for me to know what you > don't know but there are gaps in everyone's knowledge including mine. It > happens all the time that someone shows me the simplest thing that I end > up being surprised I didn't already know. I am often amazed but never do I > claim that if I don't already know it, it isn't worth knowing. > > Jeff > I looked up DSL. To better understand it one would also need to know ISDN, DSLAM, DBS, DMT, DWNT, DNS, DWMT, G.dmt, and G.lite along with a seemingly endless stream of other acronyms and what they stand for. So I leave all that with you and the others. If I must learn them I'm confident I will when that day comes, but until then I intend to go on in my own blissful, willful, arrogant acronym unknowledge. Happy Trails.                                 Date: 23 Aug 2005 19:39:20 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "HHS" <hhs@nospam.com > wrote in message news:44mdnRMWD4mVmpbeRVn-pQ@comcast.com... > > I looked up DSL. To better understand it one would also need to know > ISDN, DSLAM, DBS, DMT, DWNT, DNS, DWMT, G.dmt, and G.lite along with a > seemingly endless stream of other acronyms and what they stand for. > > So I leave all that with you and the others. If I must learn them I'm > confident I will when that day comes, but until then I intend to go on in > my own blissful, willful, arrogant acronym unknowledge. > It isn't important to understand the long list of acronyms that you supplied. The important point is DSL = high speed internet. This is all that the telephone companies who sell it need for you to understand. The acronym has become a thing that doesn't require technical knowledge to be useful. Likewise if you are a parent of a young child today, you don't have to understand ADD/ADHD at a technical level to have a working knowledge of what is involved. It is a subject that will come up and as a parent you will be exposed to it over and over. All you need to understand at a basic level is ADD/ADHD = learning problem or behavior problem. That is the core of what is funny about applying it to Ed as a joke. Jeff                                   Date: 24 Aug 2005 10:01:10 From: HHS Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message news:11gncta2jaq0je1@news.supernews.com... > > "HHS" <hhs@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:44mdnRMWD4mVmpbeRVn-pQ@comcast.com... >> >> I looked up DSL. To better understand it one would also need to know >> ISDN, DSLAM, DBS, DMT, DWNT, DNS, DWMT, G.dmt, and G.lite along with a >> seemingly endless stream of other acronyms and what they stand for. >> >> So I leave all that with you and the others. If I must learn them I'm >> confident I will when that day comes, but until then I intend to go on in >> my own blissful, willful, arrogant acronym unknowledge. >> > > It isn't important to understand the long list of acronyms that you > supplied. The important point is DSL = high speed internet. This is all > that the telephone companies who sell it need for you to understand. The > acronym has become a thing that doesn't require technical knowledge to be > useful. > > Likewise if you are a parent of a young child today, you don't have to > understand ADD/ADHD at a technical level to have a working knowledge of > what is involved. It is a subject that will come up and as a parent you > will be exposed to it over and over. All you need to understand at a basic > level is ADD/ADHD = learning problem or behavior problem. That is the core > of what is funny about applying it to Ed as a joke. > > Jeff > This seems to take us back to our starting point where the only acronyms we really need to know are the important ones which appear on magazine covers or those that the keters require us to know for the purchase their products.           Date: 21 Aug 2005 02:16:29 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com > wrote in message news:1124603352_621@spool6-east.superfeed.net... > > On 30-Jul-2005, Mike Rice <jodymike@gte.net> wrote: > >> Frankly I blamed this on the likes of you and Mr. Sherman. Notice the >> past tense in that sentaence. > > Mr. Sherman is gone (hard at work at his job, no doubt), yet slacker E. D. > continues to post useless crapola. Who is the problem here? Sherman the Tom is gone and may he stay gone forever. Speaking of useless crapola, we sure do not need his liberal, socialist, communist propaganda on this group. It would only lead idiots like you astray. -- Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 30 Jul 2005 21:41:33 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:v5aoe153pdhl97clgdbd5clbkupd3t278i@4ax.com... > Apologies to the group for this long-ish post. Nothing much ever gets said in a short post. Those who post one liners are without exception idiots. > On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:15:54 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> > wrote: > >> >>"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote in message >>news:14tne11fods0jfec3mtl7g80ae8ksc80ce@4ax.com... >>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 11:47:13 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>For as long as I have been a member of ARBR, a certain Mr. Tom Sherman >>>>has >>>>always been the most prolific poster. That is about to change very >>>>shortly, >>>>unless he returns and resumes his one liner posts. Yours truly, Ed Dolan >>>>the >>>>Great, is soon to overtake Tom Sherman and become the all time champion >>>>poster to ARBR. >>>> >>>>Here is the relevant information for those of you who are interested in >>>>such >>>>esoterica: >>>> >>>>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/about?hl=en >>>> >>>>Moreover, my posts are not one liners without any content to them which >>>>was >>>>often the case with Tom Sherman's posts. I never tried for this record >>>>though. It just sort of happened due to all the wrangles I get into with >>>>everyone here on ARBR. >>>> >>>>When the big day arrives that I surpass Tom Sherman as the most prolific >>>>poster, I will call everyone's attention to it. These are the sort of >>>>things >>>>that I am good at. I am expecting that congratulations will be in order >>>>from >>>>all and sundry. >>>> >>>>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota >>>> >>> >>> I'm not very much surprised to learn that you may be about to become >>> the most prolific poster to this group. I'll take your word on this as >>> I can't get excited enough to follow the link you conveniently >>> provide. >> >>You should have a look at that link Mike. If you look at the number of >>posts >>listed in the archives over the years you will note some very interesting >>numbers. ARBR was at it's prime several years ago and has been in a >>decline >>for the past couple of years. But the big falling off occurs after the >>criminal vandal troll appears, each and every time. The group is slowly >>making a recovery, but I don't believe it will ever get back to where it >>once was. > > OK, I did check out the link. Interesting, indeed. > > I found this group in mid '03 while deciding which recumbent I to buy. > The decline (I'm guessing you are referring to the decline in numbers > of posts...I also wonder about percentage of relevent (not necessarily > 'on topic' ones as well) was already begun, apparently, but I being > new was unaware. I did look up those years when there were thousands of posts. Most of them were idiotic posts by idiots who were saying absolutely nothing at all. > I found this group to be a good source of information and to contain a > wide variety of perspectives, mostly related to recumbent cycling. The > decline did not gain my notice until fairly recently, I see that about > five months back the numbers of posts took the biggest drop ever. > > Frankly I blamed this on the likes of you and Mr. Sherman. Notice the > past tense in that sentaence. You are quite wrong about that Mike. Mr. Sherman and I were feuding from day one for a couple of years and that did not affect the numbers posting to ARBR. The deadwood from Florida soon decided to leave and it was good riddance to them. But what did affect it was the criminal vandal troll. A newsgroup can only take so much cussing and swearing before many decide to leave forever. The criminal vandal troll never posted under his own name (always using proxy addresses) and used other's names fraudulently. He was nothing but a criminal and the group, while recognizing this, refused to condemn it - most likely for fear of coming under attack themselves. Such cowardice turns my stomach! > I don't use kill filing, but believe it to be appropriate in the case > of the vandal trolls you describe. I am sure, however, that I was not > the only reader to be discouraged when viewing the latest batch of > posts only to find that the useful ones were buried among a seemingly > never ending list of a couple of brats teasing each other. You are unable to make discriminations. One was a criminal brat who was bent on destroying the group and the other was trying to save the group. Kill filing is the coward's way out. I simply can't tell you how much I abhor those types. Criminal vandal trolls must be fought the same way that Islamic terrorists must be fought. All it takes for evil to prevail is that good men do nothing. > It seemed this group was being buried. The criminal types were > obvious, and I generally subscribe to the theory that if they got no > feedback boredom would drive them elsewhere. However, if a > cantankerous old goat insisted on butting heads with them they would > derive the only pleasure in their sad little lives and settle in for > the long haul. I do not leave a battle unfought. Your attitude is what brings disgrace on a newsgroup. It is a typical liberal reaction when confronted with criminal types. It is far better to go down to defeat than to leave the field of battle. Furthermore, you are equating that which cannot be equated. I always posted fair and square, something that the criminal vandal troll never did. >>Newgroups are actually very delicate creations. They can easily be >>destroyed >>by a single criminal vandal troll. Those of us who cherish this group need >>to defend it when it comes under attack. I did what I could the last time >>around, but one person cannot defend the group. The group must rise as one >>to defend itself. Old timers who do not defend the group against criminal >>vandal trolls are beneath contempt and I reserve a special venom for them. > > Remember the old saw,'never argue with a fool, your audience might not > be able to tell the difference?' I think your battles with the trolls > may have prolonged their stay. You never let any thread die without at > least one more jab, niether would the true (am I spelling this word > correctly? My poor IDIOT mind seems to have a special problem with it) > troll. You are equating that which cannot be equated. The fact is that I am not a troll, but believe me if I wanted to be a troll I would know how from my experience with the criminal vandal troll. I could easily destroy this newsgroup so no one, not even you, would ever come here again. The fact is that it is easy to destroy something. It is not so easy to build something. It never ceases to amaze me how some take to the tall grass when the going gets rough. Frankly, the only virtue I admire unreservedly is courage because courage makes all the other virtues possible. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota           Date: 31 Jul 2005 04:16:41 From: Mike Rice Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:41:33 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > >"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote <snip > >> I found this group to be a good source of information and to contain a >> wide variety of perspectives, mostly related to recumbent cycling. The >> decline did not gain my notice until fairly recently, I see that about >> five months back the numbers of posts took the biggest drop ever. >> >> Frankly I blamed this on the likes of you and Mr. Sherman. Notice the >> past tense in that sentaence. > >You are quite wrong about that Mike. Mr. Sherman and I were feuding from day >one for a couple of years and that did not affect the numbers posting to >ARBR. The deadwood from Florida soon decided to leave and it was good >riddance to them. But what did affect it was the criminal vandal troll. A >newsgroup can only take so much cussing and swearing before many decide to >leave forever. let me repeat: >> Notice the past tense in that sentaence. (...) > >>>Newgroups are actually very delicate creations. They can easily be >>>destroyed >>>by a single criminal vandal troll. Those of us who cherish this group need >>>to defend it when it comes under attack. I did what I could the last time >>>around, but one person cannot defend the group. The group must rise as one >>>to defend itself. Old timers who do not defend the group against criminal >>>vandal trolls are beneath contempt and I reserve a special venom for them. >> >> Remember the old saw,'never argue with a fool, your audience might not >> be able to tell the difference?' I think your battles with the trolls >> may have prolonged their stay. You never let any thread die without at >> least one more jab, niether would the true (am I spelling this word >> correctly? My poor IDIOT mind seems to have a special problem with it) >> troll. > >You are equating that which cannot be equated. The fact is that I am not a >troll, but believe me if I wanted to be a troll I would know how from my >experience with the criminal vandal troll. I could easily destroy this >newsgroup so no one, not even you, would ever come here again. The fact is >that it is easy to destroy something. It is not so easy to build something. Glad to hear you consdider yourself constructive. I don't think I;d like to see you *try* to be offensive. And relax, Ed I know you and the criminal vandal troll are un-eqauatable. > >It never ceases to amaze me how some take to the tall grass when the going >gets rough. Frankly, the only virtue I admire unreservedly is courage >because courage makes all the other virtues possible. > >Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > > Carry on Ed. Indiana Mike             Date: 30 Jul 2005 23:39:30 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:pojoe11hklaccv4su6nmcft787bg7ei54n@4ax.com... > On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:41:33 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> > wrote: [...] >>You are equating that which cannot be equated. The fact is that I am not a >>troll, but believe me if I wanted to be a troll I would know how from my >>experience with the criminal vandal troll. I could easily destroy this >>newsgroup so no one, not even you, would ever come here again. The fact is >>that it is easy to destroy something. It is not so easy to build >>something. > > Glad to hear you consdider yourself constructive. I don't think I;d > like to see you *try* to be offensive. I do not intentionally try to be offensive, but I only have so much patience for idiocy and stupidity. Whenever I get fed up with this group, I investigate other newsgroups and I quickly learn what TOTAL idiocy is all about. ARBR is not so bad as it is mostly composed of elderly types like myself. There is a certain wisdom which comes with age that the young cannot know until they advance in age themselves. [...] > Carry on Ed. Well, yes, but I do expect the support of others who are experienced in life and who will know how to deal with a criminal vandal troll other then running and kill filling. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota   Date: 30 Jul 2005 13:34:19 From: Leif Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR Keep up the good work, Ed! -Leif (prolifoc lurker, occasional poster)     Date: 30 Jul 2005 20:45:39 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Approaching Milestone for ARBR "Leif" <LeifEric@gmail.com > wrote in message news:1122755659.421306.56410@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... > Keep up the good work, Ed! > > -Leif > > (prolifoc lurker, occasional poster) I will overlook your top posting - this once! Leif, I write for quiet souls like you, not for the cantankerous and altogether despicable regulars who exasperate me no end with their confounded opinions. Why is it that everyone cannot just agree with me 100% on my every utterance. That is the way to peace and harmony in the universe. Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota