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Date: 23 Sep 2005 22:46:34
From: db.
Subject: Break it down for me
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I went to Bentfest, and tried a couple of bikes, but I was surprised to
get more opinion than fact on the functionality wheel size,priily
front wheel size. As I mentioned on more than on occasion I was
interested in a dual 26" USS touring `bent, but trying one with no
experience reminded me of how long it took me as a kid to ride a regular
bike.
I'm still looking for a touring bent, but I've changed my mind on USS
and maybe a 26" front wheel. Is there a real benefit to wheel size? I
mean, to see people ride different sizes, you can see a pedaling
difference, but does it change the experience? When is a smaller front
wheel better. Thanks
db.
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Date: 26 Sep 2005 14:12:56
From: LoGo USA
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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Hey guys -
I suspect Tom wasn't the only reader a tad confused
by nget's notation:
>I should really be leaving now...
>Your friend
>k.
>--
>nget
I'm sure most of us agree with nget's comment; he
REALLY should be! But what was that signoff about?
Is the person pretending to be nget (oh, who could
it be?) truly dumb enough to think he could convince
us that it's really some guy named k who is
writing as nget? Even after the little man behind
the curtain had been uncovered, where did Professor
vel really intend to take little Dorothy in that
balloon, and just exactly what was he planning to do
with her once he got there?
Along the newer, lower section of the Rails-to-Trails
bike path from Ventura to Ojai, there is a series of
something like sculptures or artwork. Each of them
has an object of interest on a concrete base embossed
with one of the many definitions of the word 'k'.
With the background of dozens of trips past those
'kers', I was maybe a bit more prepared to think
out of the box than most folks when I saw the word
'k' on a single line at the end of a nget-o-gram.
My guess was that it was intended to mean something
like 'Take notice of this advice.' - or maybe even
'Appreciate the fact that I am [quote] Your friend
[unquote].' [No, I don't think so!] Either way, oddly
enough, that slightly dated style reminds me of a
(former?) poster on the group who spent his evenings
alone (watching 1930s movies?) rather than having
contemporary conversations with real people.
Sighh-hh-hh... how will we ever get back to Kansas?
Regards,
Wayne
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Date: 27 Sep 2005 11:06:16
From: nget
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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LoGo USA Wrote:
> Hey guys -
>
> I suspect Tom wasn't the only reader a tad confused
> by nget's notation:
>
> >I should really be leaving now...
> >Your friend
> >k.
> >--
> >nget
>
> I'm sure most of us agree with nget's comment; he
> REALLY should be! But what was that signoff about?
> Is the person pretending to be nget (oh, who could
> it be?) truly dumb enough to think he could convince
> us that it's really some guy named k who is
> writing as nget? Even after the little man behind
> the curtain had been uncovered, where did Professor
> vel really intend to take little Dorothy in that
> balloon, and just exactly what was he planning to do
> with her once he got there?
>
> Along the newer, lower section of the Rails-to-Trails
> bike path from Ventura to Ojai, there is a series of
> something like sculptures or artwork. Each of them
> has an object of interest on a concrete base embossed
> with one of the many definitions of the word 'k'.
>
> With the background of dozens of trips past those
> 'kers', I was maybe a bit more prepared to think
> out of the box than most folks when I saw the word
> 'k' on a single line at the end of a nget-o-gram.
> My guess was that it was intended to mean something
> like 'Take notice of this advice.' - or maybe even
> 'Appreciate the fact that I am > > > Your friend
> > [unquote].' [No, I don't think so!] Either way, oddly
> > enough, that slightly dated style reminds me of a
> > (former?) poster on the group who spent his evenings
> > alone (watching 1930s movies?) rather than having
> > contemporary conversations with real people.
> >
> > Sighh-hh-hh... how will we ever get back to Kansas?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Wayne> >
>
> Most of us know that all the languge we speak and write only takes
> very small part of the human brain.At this time I would like fo
> Wayne to step out of that small place wherein he thinks an
> lives.Perhaps you can join the rest of us here in what is calle
> reality
--
nget
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Date: 26 Sep 2005 03:33:00
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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Peter Clinch, Medical Physics IT Officer at Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells
Hospital, wrote:
> Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic wrote:
>
> > There is a scientifically proven inverse correlation between rider
> > intelligence and preferred front wheel size. ;)
>
> Up to a point. I don't think eggheads really go for skateboard wheels
> on the front. An interesting point of speculation here may be whether
> Sir Clive Sinclair's penchant for /very/ small wheels on his cycle
> products shows him to be very clever, or not actually as clever as he
> likes to think... ;-)
Here is the bike the devil rides:
<http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/news/feb05/germany-cycling-tandem-61.jpg >,
<http://www.recordholders.org/images/didi2.jpg >,
<http://www.birdy-freunde.de/faltradkultur/img/didisenft.jpg >,
<http://home.foni.net/~cadam/Linkbilder/largestbicycle.jpg >.
Notice the wheel size. ;)
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
"...john dear owns a tuscany reserve next door to the bay shore
folks" - G. Daniels
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Date: 26 Sep 2005 11:56:52
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic wrote:
> Here is the bike the devil rides:
> <http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2005/news/feb05/germany-cycling-tandem-61.jpg>,
> <http://www.recordholders.org/images/didi2.jpg>,
> <http://www.birdy-freunde.de/faltradkultur/img/didisenft.jpg>,
> <http://home.foni.net/~cadam/Linkbilder/largestbicycle.jpg>.
>
> Notice the wheel size. ;)
But is the devil st or is he stupid? I think it could be argued
either way... ;-)
Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 26 Sep 2005 03:23:47
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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nget (k ?) wrote:
>
> I should really be leaving now Tom.I no longer wish to see you drooling
> like this.Let me leave you with a good word and that word is
> balance.Balance is not just for cycling but for your whole life.
If I lose my balance, I can still ride my blue Earth Cycles Dragonflyer
[TM] [1] trike. ;)
[1] <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/ >.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
"They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
- M.V.
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Date: 27 Sep 2005 00:55:45
From: nget
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
> Fanatic']nget (k ) wrote:
> >
> > I should really be leaving now Tom.I no longer wish to see yo
> drooling
> > like this.Let me leave you with a good word and that word is
> > balance.Balance is not just for cycling but for your whole life.
>
> If I lose my balance, I can still ride my blue Earth Cycle
> Dragonflyer
> [TM] [1] trike. ;)
>
> [1] <http://www.ihpva.org/incoming/2002/Dragonflyer/>.
> --
> Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
>
> "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
> - M.V.
See Tom ride his trike.Ride Tom ride.Can your friend Johnny ride
trike too
--
nget
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Date: 25 Sep 2005 20:55:40
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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nget who? anonymously snipes:
> 'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
> > Lunatic wrote
> >
> > > > [1] Even a common ORANGE Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM].
> > ;)[/color]
> > >
> > > Tell a joke once and then move on otherwise you will look stupid.[
> > ]Your
> > > bike is just a bike,[ ]get over it.[/color]
> >
> > "Space" bar broken?
> >
> > Obviously you don't get it. ;) To quote a famous racing cyclist,
> > "It's not about the bike".
> > --
> > Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
> >
> > "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
> > - M.V.
> No Tom ,its all about mountain lions right?
Indeed. Mountain lions [1] eat mountain bikers. Since there is no such
thing as a "lowracer lion", it is very unlikely that I will get eaten
while riding either of my Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracers [TM]. :)
[1] Felis concolor for Ed Dolan.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
"They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
- M.V.
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Date: 26 Sep 2005 15:25:38
From: nget
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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> 'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
> > Lunatic wrote
> >
> > > > [1] Even a common ORANGE Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM].
> > ;)
> > >
> > > Tell a joke once and then move on otherwise you will loo
stupid.[
> > ]Your
> > > bike is just a bike,[ ]get over it.[/color]
> >
> > "Space" bar broken?
> >
> > Obviously you don't get it. ;) To quote a famous racing cyclist,
> > "It's not about the bike".
> > --
> > Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
> >
> > "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
> > - M.V.[/color]
> No Tom ,its all about mountain lions right?[/color]
Indeed. Mountain lions [1] eat mountain bikers. Since there is no such
thing as a "lowracer lion", it is very unlikely that I will get eaten
while riding either of my Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracers [TM]. :)
[1] Felis concolor for Ed Dolan.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
"They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
- M.V.
I should really be leaving now Tom.I no longer wish to see you droolin
like this.Let me leave you with a good word and that word i
balance.Balance is not just for cycling but for your whole life.
Your friend
k
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nget
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Date: 25 Sep 2005 12:07:55
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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nget anonymously snipes:
> 'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
> > ...
> > [1] Even a common ORANGE Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]. ;)
>
> Tell a joke once and then move on otherwise you will look stupid.[ ]Your
> bike is just a bike,[ ]get over it.
"Space" bar broken?
Obviously you don't get it. ;) To quote a famous racing cyclist,
"It's not about the bike".
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
"They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
- M.V.
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Date: 26 Sep 2005 07:28:13
From: nget
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
> Lunatic wrote
>
> > > [1] Even a common ORANGE Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]
> ;)[/color]
> >
> > Tell a joke once and then move on otherwise you will look stupid.
> ]Your
> > bike is just a bike,[ ]get over it.[/color]
>
> "Space" bar broken?
>
> Obviously you don't get it. ;) To quote a famous racing cyclist,
> "It's not about the bike".
> --
> Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
>
> "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
> - M.V.
No Tom ,its all about mountain lions right
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nget
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Date: 25 Sep 2005 06:46:47
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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nget who? wrote:
>
> Have you ever run a chainsaw?I'm thinking no.
I have enough experience with chain saws to know that operating a chain
saw is much less fun than riding an Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]
[1].
The image of Mr. Daniels sticking a running chainsaw into a vat of hot
oil is as humorous as his creative use of the English language.
[1] Even a common ORANGE Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]. ;)
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
"They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
- M.V.
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Date: 26 Sep 2005 01:02:07
From: nget
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
> one note johnny
>
>
> I have enough experience with chain saws to know that operating
> chain
> saw is much less fun than riding an Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]
> [1].
>
> The image of Mr. Daniels sticking a running chainsaw into a vat of hot
> oil is as humorous as his creative use of the English language.
>
> [1] Even a common ORANGE Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]. ;)
> --
> Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
>
> "They [hominids] ARE acceptable prey, ESPECIALLY mountain bikers."
> - M.V.
Tell a joke once and then move on otherwise you will look stupid.You
bike is just a bike,get over it
--
nget
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Date: 25 Sep 2005 00:34:02
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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nget wrote:
> 'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
> > Fanatic']Peter Clinch, Medical Physics IT Officer at the Univ. of
> > Dundee,
> > Ninewells Hospital, wrote:
> > > ...
> > > Unless you're riding across a desert or something daft like that
> > which
> > > wants bigger tyres with knobbly tread I really don't see any huge
> > > justification for going to 26 /unless you try out a 26 bike and it
> > tells
> > > you It's The One/. A lot of the current trend for "highracers" is,
> > I
> > > suspect, just a trend and a fashion.
> >
> > There is a scientifically proven inverse correlation between rider
> > intelligence and preferred front wheel size. ;)
> > --
> > Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
> >
> > "john dear owns a tuscany reserve next door to the bay shore folks"
> > - G. Daniels
> Give it up Tom,have you ever know anyone in the recent past who made it
> big time as a comedian having once been an engineer?
All this is just a lead in to my favorite ON TOPIC subject - the best
ca. 20 things [1] to come from Minnesota.
[1] Many of which have migrated to Chicagoland.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
"ever get suspicious about chain saw oil attracting wood dust?
generally mucking up after two cuts?
try dumping hot oil into a container just right sized for inserting
the running blade on the job. rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....
plus 750 rpm!..." - G. Daniels
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Date: 25 Sep 2005 18:09:05
From: nget
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
> Fanatic']nget wrote:
> > 'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
> > > Fanatic']Peter Clinch, Medical Physics IT Officer at the Univ. of
> > > Dundee,
> > > Ninewells Hospital, wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > > Unless you're riding across a desert or something daft like that
> > > which
> > > > wants bigger tyres with knobbly tread I really don't see an
> huge
> > > > justification for going to 26 /unless you try out a 26 bike an
> it
> > > tells
> > > > you It's The One/. A lot of the current trend for "highracers
> is,
> > > I
> > > > suspect, just a trend and a fashion.
> > >
> > > There is a scientifically proven inverse correlation between rider
> > > intelligence and preferred front wheel size. ;)
> > > --
> > > Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
> > >
> > > "john dear owns a tuscany reserve next door to the bay shor
> folks"
> > > - G. Daniels
> > Give it up Tom,have you ever know anyone in the recent past who mad
> it
> > big time as a comedian having once been an engineer?
>
> All this is just a lead in to my favorite ON TOPIC subject - the best
> ca. 20 things [1] to come from Minnesota.
>
> [1] Many of which have migrated to Chicagoland.
> --
> Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
>
> "ever get suspicious about chain saw oil attracting wood dust?
> generally mucking up after two cuts?
> try dumping hot oil into a container just right sized for inserting
> the running blade on the job. rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....
> plus 750 rpm!..." - G. Daniels
Have you ever run a chainsaw?I'm thinking no
--
nget
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Date: 24 Sep 2005 12:43:35
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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Peter Clinch, Medical Physics IT Officer at the Univ. of Dundee,
Ninewells Hospital, wrote:
> ...
> Unless you're riding across a desert or something daft like that which
> wants bigger tyres with knobbly tread I really don't see any huge
> justification for going to 26 /unless you try out a 26 bike and it tells
> you It's The One/. A lot of the current trend for "highracers" is, I
> suspect, just a trend and a fashion.
There is a scientifically proven inverse correlation between rider
intelligence and preferred front wheel size. ;)
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
"john dear owns a tuscany reserve next door to the bay shore folks"
- G. Daniels
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Date: 26 Sep 2005 10:38:49
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic wrote:
> There is a scientifically proven inverse correlation between rider
> intelligence and preferred front wheel size. ;)
Up to a point. I don't think eggheads really go for skateboard wheels
on the front. An interesting point of speculation here may be whether
Sir Clive Sinclair's penchant for /very/ small wheels on his cycle
products shows him to be very clever, or not actually as clever as he
likes to think... ;-)
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 25 Sep 2005 16:47:38
From: nget
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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'Sunset Lowracer [TM Wrote:
> Fanatic']Peter Clinch, Medical Physics IT Officer at the Univ. o
> Dundee,
> Ninewells Hospital, wrote:
> > ...
> > Unless you're riding across a desert or something daft like tha
> which
> > wants bigger tyres with knobbly tread I really don't see any huge
> > justification for going to 26 /unless you try out a 26 bike and i
> tells
> > you It's The One/. A lot of the current trend for "highracers" is
> I
> > suspect, just a trend and a fashion.
>
> There is a scientifically proven inverse correlation between rider
> intelligence and preferred front wheel size. ;)
> --
> Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
>
> "john dear owns a tuscany reserve next door to the bay shore folks"
> - G. Daniels
Give it up Tom,have you ever know anyone in the recent past who made i
big time as a comedian having once been an engineer
--
nget
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Date: 24 Sep 2005 18:44:14
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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db. wrote:
> I'm still looking for a touring bent, but I've changed my mind on USS
> and maybe a 26" front wheel. Is there a real benefit to wheel size? I
> mean, to see people ride different sizes, you can see a pedaling
> difference, but does it change the experience? When is a smaller front
> wheel better.
Or rather, when is a small front wheel worse... Dr. Moulton proved long
ago that a small wheel fitted with a high pressure tyre and some
reasonable suspension will largely overcome the rolling resistance
advantages a bigger wheel has, and once you've done that a small wheel
is stronger, lighter and easier to design with because it takes up less
space.
A lot of the reason people prefer bigger wheels is because that's what
their impression of a "proper bike" involves. Riding my Brompton I get
all sorts of questions about how the small wheels must make it slow and
a problem up hills, as if you can't use gearing!
A 26" back wheel is easier to get a high gear for high speed on, it's
naturally about 25% higher geared than a 20" using the same gearing.
This is a bit of a moot point on a tourer, of course... Another
advantage from the gearing perspective of a 26" or 700c wheel is if
you're using derailleurs then the rear mech is significantly further
from harm's way getting banked on kerbs or other obstacles. Not a huge
problem, but something to be aware of when riding down over kerbs or
along rough tracks.
Other good things about 26"/700c wheels are a bigger and better tyre
choice (especially 26") that is more easily available.
But none of those things really give a 26" a significant advantage to my
mind on reasonable roads, and if you've got good suspension not really
on rough stuff either.
OTOH a 20" front means it's easier to get a seat positioned so it's easy
to put a foot down. There's less likely to be overlap between feet and
front wheel. All else being equal I'd take a 20/20 over a 26/26. As it
is I ride a 20/26 and I ride it because all else is /not/ equal. I just
prefer the feel of the Streetmachine for relaxed touring to anything
else I've yet tried. I've never felt its 20" front wheel was a limiting
factor in any way, except that I have to carry 2 sizes of spare tube.
Finally, don't get hung up on paper specifications. Ride all the models
you can and get the one which puts the biggest grin on your face. My gf
rides a Nazca Fiero 20/20 for touring which on /paper/ she'd dismissed
as unsuitable, but a ride of it revealed it had the Magic X Factor and
we did a 300 mile tour including roads and tracks last year with full
camping gear and it was never a problem because it had 20" wheels.
Unless you're riding across a desert or something daft like that which
wants bigger tyres with knobbly tread I really don't see any huge
justification for going to 26 /unless you try out a 26 bike and it tells
you It's The One/. A lot of the current trend for "highracers" is, I
suspect, just a trend and a fashion.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 24 Sep 2005 10:11:58
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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Slugger wrote:
>
> The front wheel is often smaller due to the bottom bracket placement so
> that your feet don't hit the front wheel when turning. At least thats
> how I understand it.
This is one of the reasons why the most user friendly and practical
lowracer ever produced; the Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM] has an
ISO 305-mm front wheel. Unfortunately, only 20 or so are in existence,
and I understand that one person is being greedy by having two Sunsets!
;)
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
"ever get suspicious about chain saw oil attracting wood dust?
generally mucking up after two cuts?
try dumping hot oil into a container just right sized for inserting
the running blade on the job. rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....
plus 750 rpm!..." - G. Daniels
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Date: 24 Sep 2005 11:08:42
From: Slugger
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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In article <eB%Ye.380$Xl2.135@twister.nyroc.rr.com >, db. <db823@go.com>
wrote:
> I went to Bentfest, and tried a couple of bikes, but I was surprised to
> get more opinion than fact on the functionality wheel size,priily
> front wheel size. As I mentioned on more than on occasion I was
> interested in a dual 26" USS touring `bent, but trying one with no
> experience reminded me of how long it took me as a kid to ride a regular
> bike.
> I'm still looking for a touring bent, but I've changed my mind on USS
> and maybe a 26" front wheel. Is there a real benefit to wheel size? I
> mean, to see people ride different sizes, you can see a pedaling
> difference, but does it change the experience? When is a smaller front
> wheel better. Thanks
>
>
> db.
The front wheel is often smaller due to the bottom bracket placement so
that your feet don't hit the front wheel when turning. At least thats
how I understand it.
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Date: 23 Sep 2005 23:21:55
From: Steve knight
Subject: Re: Break it down for me
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On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 22:46:34 GMT, "db." <db823@go.com > wrote:
> I'm still looking for a touring bent, but I've changed my mind on USS
>and maybe a 26" front wheel. Is there a real benefit to wheel size? I
>mean, to see people ride different sizes, you can see a pedaling
>difference, but does it change the experience? When is a smaller front
>wheel better. Thanks
myself I would stick with 20" or larger. really it is rough roads that
cause more problems with smaller wheels. the road can slow you down
some. usually not a huge amount though.
Knight-Toolworks
http://www.knight-toolworks.com
affordable handmade wooden planes
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