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Date: 14 Feb 2007 09:56:56
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Subject: Bye Bye!
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The matter of speed is so important to so many people; it amuses me!
In a pile of photos- I came across a picture of an early 1980s bike/
trike speed record. Over 60 - but WHY? I also saw a pic of a cartoon
of a snail losing to a bent. I just don't get it. Aside from humor,
what is the importance?
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Date: 19 Feb 2007 20:30:34
From: BothellBob
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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Why fast? For some of us riding a bike is more about transportation
from point A to point B than it is about the bicycling experience.
>From that perspective, time spent at point B is more valued than time
spent on the bike; therefore, faster is better. Why 60 mph? Well,
that does seem like it might be pushing the limits of safety, and
increasing the likelihood of arriving at the pine wood box at the head
of the line....but, pushing that limit might also be the groundwork
for lightweight, low energy, low cost, powered vehicles (and I want
one of those).
-BothellBob
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Date: 15 Feb 2007 07:06:28
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Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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Peter Clinch wrote:
> Battle Mountain is probably less fun to watch than a hotly contested
> stage of Le Tour, but the *speeds* are much, much higher.
>
> Pete.
True. It seems to be basically competition. Racing, records, even
shaving time used to go to the mailbox. Maybe the fastest bent sells
easier, or more, or higher priced. But the bent Mochet rode in the
1930s got recumbents left out from future competition to this day in
many races (around here).
Then that rear steer trike at Bonneville Salt Flats goes about 400+.
Interesting feat, but who in their right mind wants to go 400 or deal
with a motor or have a crew handy to solidly tape the door closed to
keep slick aerodynamics?
I would rather stop on a dime, give you nine cents change (thanks Bill
Cosby), look both ways, and pull out smoothly from the stop sign when
it is safe.
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Date: 15 Feb 2007 10:46:34
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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On 15 Feb 2007 07:06:28 -0800, eco_milage_buster_2005@yahoo.com wrote:
>Then that rear steer trike at Bonneville Salt Flats goes about 400+.
>Interesting feat, but who in their right mind wants to go 400 or deal
>with a motor or have a crew handy to solidly tape the door closed to
>keep slick aerodynamics?
You seem to be more fixated on this than the people that you are
talking about. What's the problem? More directly, what's the point?
Moral superiority?
Among the most pointless threads I can think of are the 'Why do
diamond frame riders ride their diamond frames?' (never mind that you
still pretty much get more bang for the buck buying a diamond frame,
and if they are comfortable for you, why NOT ride them?) and the 'Why
do people ride their bikes for different reasons than I do?'.
What's next? All the commuters discuss how stupid it is to do
cyclotourism? Especially on diamond frames...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
Any two wheels...
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Date: 16 Feb 2007 17:18:27
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org > wrote in message
news:ilv8t253an11mnu82empu3arspi6s9i8nf@4ax.com...
> On 15 Feb 2007 07:06:28 -0800, eco_milage_buster_2005@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>Then that rear steer trike at Bonneville Salt Flats goes about 400+.
>>Interesting feat, but who in their right mind wants to go 400 or deal
>>with a motor or have a crew handy to solidly tape the door closed to
>>keep slick aerodynamics?
>
> You seem to be more fixated on this than the people that you are
> talking about. What's the problem? More directly, what's the point?
> Moral superiority?
>
> Among the most pointless threads I can think of are the 'Why do
> diamond frame riders ride their diamond frames?' (never mind that you
> still pretty much get more bang for the buck buying a diamond frame,
> and if they are comfortable for you, why NOT ride them?) and the 'Why
> do people ride their bikes for different reasons than I do?'.
>
> What's next? All the commuters discuss how stupid it is to do
> cyclotourism? Especially on diamond frames...
Well, you wanted on-topic messages and so this is what you get. Just one
freaking idiot after another blathering away about nothing at all.
Eco is an idiot of course and he will soon wear out what little welcome he
is getting here on this newsgroup. ARBR requires intelligent messages which
can be either on-topic or off-topic. The one thing it cannot abide are
idiots like Eco. He and his responders are ever into trivia, the more
trivial the better.
The Great Ed Dolan was never into any kind of trivia. He had too much pride
for that.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 15 Feb 2007 15:43:43
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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eco_milage_buster_2005@yahoo.com wrote:
> True. It seems to be basically competition. Racing, records, even
> shaving time used to go to the mailbox. Maybe the fastest bent sells
> easier, or more, or higher priced. But the bent Mochet rode in the
> 1930s got recumbents left out from future competition to this day in
> many races (around here).
Note that Mochet designed and built the Velocar, he didn't ride it in
competition
> I would rather stop on a dime, give you nine cents change (thanks Bill
> Cosby), look both ways, and pull out smoothly from the stop sign when
> it is safe.
Why does it have to be one or the other? ;-)
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 14:12:18
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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eco_milage_buster_2005@yahoo.com wrote:
:: The matter of speed is so important to so many people; it amuses me!
:: In a pile of photos- I came across a picture of an early 1980s bike/
:: trike speed record. Over 60 - but WHY? I also saw a pic of a cartoon
:: of a snail losing to a bent. I just don't get it. Aside from humor,
:: what is the importance?
Fun = importance.
So, why don't you ask why it is important to have fun, because going fast is
fun?
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 15:14:13
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:12t6nhqqfu90afe@news.supernews.com...
> eco_milage_buster_2005@yahoo.com wrote:
> :: The matter of speed is so important to so many people; it amuses me!
> :: In a pile of photos- I came across a picture of an early 1980s bike/
> :: trike speed record. Over 60 - but WHY? I also saw a pic of a cartoon
> :: of a snail losing to a bent. I just don't get it. Aside from humor,
> :: what is the importance?
>
> Fun = importance.
>
> So, why don't you ask why it is important to have fun, because going fast
> is fun?
>
Jock mentality/ego stroking. The fastest guy gets the chix. It is hilarious
though. There are probably twenty to thirty fairly fast bent racers in the
world and they for the most part couldn't beat their DF counterparts with a
stick. So the speed thing is all mostly head tripping bullshit. Some of the
best bent racers are still hobby racers. They have jobs and families and NO
PROFESSIONAL contracts for international quality races.
--
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 19:12:25
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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gotbent wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2@hotmail.com > wrote in message
:: news:12t6nhqqfu90afe@news.supernews.com...
::: eco_milage_buster_2005@yahoo.com wrote:
::::: The matter of speed is so important to so many people; it amuses
::::: me! In a pile of photos- I came across a picture of an early
::::: 1980s bike/ trike speed record. Over 60 - but WHY? I also saw a
::::: pic of a cartoon of a snail losing to a bent. I just don't get
::::: it. Aside from humor, what is the importance?
:::
::: Fun = importance.
:::
::: So, why don't you ask why it is important to have fun, because
::: going fast is fun?
:::
::
:: Jock mentality/ego stroking. The fastest guy gets the chix. It is
:: hilarious though. There are probably twenty to thirty fairly fast
:: bent racers in the world and they for the most part couldn't beat
:: their DF counterparts with a stick. So the speed thing is all mostly
:: head tripping bullshit. Some of the best bent racers are still hobby
:: racers. They have jobs and families and NO PROFESSIONAL contracts
:: for international quality races.
going fast has nothing to do with racing.
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 22:14:43
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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gotbent wrote:
> Jock mentality/ego stroking. The fastest guy gets the chix. It is hilarious
> though. There are probably twenty to thirty fairly fast bent racers in the
> world and they for the most part couldn't beat their DF counterparts with a
> stick. So the speed thing is all mostly head tripping bullshit. Some of the
> best bent racers are still hobby racers. They have jobs and families and NO
> PROFESSIONAL contracts for international quality races.
I don't care about racing, but point me down a big hill on a 'bent
and I'll do my best to spin it out because it's *fun*.
There isn't a pro HPV circuit AFAICT, so it's hardly surprising
nobody's got contracts to do it. As for "couldn't beat their DF
counterparts with a stick", that would depend what sort of race it
was. A track based race with fairings on the 'bents would mean the
pros on the DFs getting a bloody good hiding, for example. IIRC
Rob English took the GB national pursuit squad, working together,
to the cleaners on the unfaired Kingcycle Hachi at Manchester
Velodrome, and the HPV hour record is about 30% than the UCI one,
even the better one without the even more braindead restrictions.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 17:00:09
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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"Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk > wrote in message
news:53hfucF1ms7j9U1@mid.individual.net...
> gotbent wrote:
>
>> Jock mentality/ego stroking. The fastest guy gets the chix. It is
>> hilarious though. There are probably twenty to thirty fairly fast bent
>> racers in the world and they for the most part couldn't beat their DF
>> counterparts with a stick. So the speed thing is all mostly head tripping
>> bullshit. Some of the best bent racers are still hobby racers. They have
>> jobs and families and NO PROFESSIONAL contracts for international quality
>> races.
>
> I don't care about racing, but point me down a big hill on a 'bent and
> I'll do my best to spin it out because it's *fun*.
>
> There isn't a pro HPV circuit AFAICT, so it's hardly surprising nobody's
> got contracts to do it. As for "couldn't beat their DF counterparts with
> a stick", that would depend what sort of race it was. A track based race
> with fairings on the 'bents would mean the pros on the DFs getting a
> bloody good hiding, for example. IIRC Rob English took the GB national
> pursuit squad, working together, to the cleaners on the unfaired Kingcycle
> Hachi at Manchester Velodrome, and the HPV hour record is about 30% than
> the UCI one, even the better one without the even more braindead
> restrictions.
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
How about one of the spring classics? Rain, mud and cobbles. How about a
cyclocross? Don't think the Hachi would do too well there, although Rob
might do OK on a 'cross bike. But overall the Hans' and Robs are few and far
between. If the world of fast pro and semi-pro racers were a SI swimsuit
model, bent racers might barely amount to a pimple on her ass. So when the
swagger starts on places like ARBR and BROL it's a mostly a bunch of
wannabe's blowing smoke out of their asses.
BTW, if you really like speed, point yourself UP the hill and try to spin it
out without Sir Issac helping.
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Date: 15 Feb 2007 08:36:01
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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gotbent wrote:
> How about one of the spring classics? Rain, mud and cobbles. How about a
> cyclocross?
In terms of absolute speed these will typically be much slower on /any/
bike than good tarmac or a velodrome.
> But overall the Hans' and Robs are few and far
> between. If the world of fast pro and semi-pro racers were a SI swimsuit
> model, bent racers might barely amount to a pimple on her ass.
Though racing is about racing, not necessarily speed. And if you want
to race you'll want opponents and a busy racing calendar and structured
rules and a local chain gang to go out with for practice, and you get
that on the established DF bikes and you don't get that on HPVs. How
fast they go (or not) is incidental.
Battle Mountain is probably less fun to watch than a hotly contested
stage of Le Tour, but the *speeds* are much, much higher.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 11:08:30
From: Bentracer and Bentrider
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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On Feb 14, 11:56 am, eco_milage_buster_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> The matter of speed is so important to so many people; it amuses me!
> In a pile of photos- I came across a picture of an early 1980s bike/
> trike speed record. Over 60 - but WHY? I also saw a pic of a cartoon
> of a snail losing to a bent. I just don't get it. Aside from humor,
> what is the importance?
Hey, speed is great, BTW i want to beat up on you, need to win some
more $$$$$
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 22:08:22
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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"Bentracer and Bentrider" <lowbike1@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:1171480109.946409.189520@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 14, 11:56 am, eco_milage_buster_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> The matter of speed is so important to so many people; it amuses me!
>> In a pile of photos- I came across a picture of an early 1980s bike/
>> trike speed record. Over 60 - but WHY? I also saw a pic of a cartoon
>> of a snail losing to a bent. I just don't get it. Aside from humor,
>> what is the importance?
>
> Hey, speed is great, BTW i want to beat up on you, need to win some
> more $$$$$
Christ, aren't you dead yet you old fool?
It just goes to show that if you are tough and dumb you will live forever.
The main thing is never to engage your brain. That will take years off of
your life.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 18:05:32
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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eco_milage_buster_2005@yahoo.com wrote:
> The matter of speed is so important to so many people; it amuses me!
> In a pile of photos- I came across a picture of an early 1980s bike/
> trike speed record. Over 60 - but WHY? I also saw a pic of a cartoon
> of a snail losing to a bent. I just don't get it. Aside from humor,
> what is the importance?
More speed can be more fun, and it can just be the buzz of doing
something rekable under your own steam.
Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 14 Feb 2007 13:10:28
From: Joel
Subject: Re: Bye Bye!
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Peter Clinch wrote:
> eco_milage_buster_2005@yahoo.com wrote:
>> The matter of speed is so important to so many people; it amuses me!
>> In a pile of photos- I came across a picture of an early 1980s bike/
>> trike speed record. Over 60 - but WHY? I also saw a pic of a cartoon
>> of a snail losing to a bent. I just don't get it. Aside from humor,
>> what is the importance?
>
> More speed can be more fun, and it can just be the buzz of doing
> something rekable under your own steam.
>
> Pete.
This whole country is into the aspect of speed. I myself found that when
asking about replacement tires for my trike, I said I wanted these
specifications: Fast, puncture resistance, durability. As you can see
the first word was "FAST". I want to replace my great Scorcher TR tires
with one as fast and puncture resistant and as durable but narrower. I
think I won't find anything.
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