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Date: 12 Apr 2005 07:45:40
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Subject: Chain advise
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It has been quite a while since I ask questions of this group, now
Longbikes needs chain advice. I need to explore switching chain
manufacturers for our trusty Longbikes. I have always tried to use
Shimano drive train components, but not being able to buy chain in bulk
rolls requires us to piece together three chains to build a Slipstream
or Eliminator. This is extra pins and labor to do so. SRAM makes it
impractical to buy bulk due to their OEM purchasing requirements. They
have a minimum purchase requirement per factory shipping location
(chains come from Portugal) which prevents us from buying SRAM chain in
bulk. With Shimano and SRAM both unavailable, that leaves KMC.
I remember hearing negative comments about KMC chain years ago, but
would like input on their current chains, particularly the following
high end models:
X9.xx
Z9200
Z9900
If there are problems with these KMC's I will not think of going there,
but if on the other hand they are viewed as competitive quality
products, I may.
Being able to buy 500 ft. rolls of chain and assemble the chain with
only one connector / pin offers us some inventory and labor reasons to
change.
Please email me directly or post replies. Thanks for the help.
Greg Peek
Longbikes
www.longbikes.com
mailto: greg@longbikes.com
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Date: 14 Apr 2005 12:48:33
From: S. Delaire \Rotatorrecumbent\
Subject: Re: Chain advise
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Greg
The sales pitch KMC gave me some years ago was that they make 98% of
Shimano chains. They claim the last 2% is made in third world countries
for third world countries.
Back in the days when we were pushing pins back in to piece together 3
sections of chain the failure rate was 10%.
Since we switched to bulk chain and quick links it has dropped to basically
none.
( I personally failed 1 quick link, with a style that they no longer make)
Speedy
Rotatorrecumbents.com
greg@longbikes.com wrote:
> It has been quite a while since I ask questions of this group, now
> Longbikes needs chain advice. I need to explore switching chain
> manufacturers for our trusty Longbikes. I have always tried to use
> Shimano drive train components, but not being able to buy chain in bulk
> rolls requires us to piece together three chains to build a Slipstream
> or Eliminator. This is extra pins and labor to do so. SRAM makes it
> impractical to buy bulk due to their OEM purchasing requirements. They
> have a minimum purchase requirement per factory shipping location
> (chains come from Portugal) which prevents us from buying SRAM chain in
> bulk. With Shimano and SRAM both unavailable, that leaves KMC.
> I remember hearing negative comments about KMC chain years ago, but
> would like input on their current chains, particularly the following
> high end models:
> X9.xx
> Z9200
> Z9900
> If there are problems with these KMC's I will not think of going there,
> but if on the other hand they are viewed as competitive quality
> products, I may.
> Being able to buy 500 ft. rolls of chain and assemble the chain with
> only one connector / pin offers us some inventory and labor reasons to
> change.
>
> Please email me directly or post replies. Thanks for the help.
>
> Greg Peek
> Longbikes
> www.longbikes.com
> mailto: greg@longbikes.com
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Date: 15 Apr 2005 08:56:16
From: jtaylor
Subject: Re: Chain advise
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"S. Delaire "Rotatorrecumbent"" <rotator@neteze.com > wrote in message
news:425EC911.6D594A54@neteze.com...
> Back in the days when we were pushing pins back in to piece together 3
> sections of chain the failure rate was 10%.
Were those normal pins (&chains) or the single-use shimano ones?
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Date: 19 Apr 2005 09:18:22
From: S. Delaire \Rotatorrecumbent\
Subject: Re: Chain advise
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either style, pushing pins back in on chains is increasing the risk for
failure
Speedy
jtaylor wrote:
> "S. Delaire "Rotatorrecumbent"" <rotator@neteze.com> wrote in message
> news:425EC911.6D594A54@neteze.com...
>
> > Back in the days when we were pushing pins back in to piece together 3
> > sections of chain the failure rate was 10%.
>
> Were those normal pins (&chains) or the single-use shimano ones?
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Date: 13 Apr 2005 04:37:45
From: funbun2@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Chain advise
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There's a bent shop about 50 miles from me that has a big role of chain
just sitting there on the floor of hid repair shop. Not sure ofthe
brand though. SRAM and Shimano need to get on the ball.
Damon
greg@longbikes.com wrote:
> It has been quite a while since I ask questions of this group, now
> Longbikes needs chain advice. I need to explore switching chain
> manufacturers for our trusty Longbikes. I have always tried to use
> Shimano drive train components, but not being able to buy chain in
bulk
> rolls requires us to piece together three chains to build a
Slipstream
> or Eliminator. This is extra pins and labor to do so. SRAM makes it
> impractical to buy bulk due to their OEM purchasing requirements.
They
> have a minimum purchase requirement per factory shipping location
> (chains come from Portugal) which prevents us from buying SRAM chain
in
> bulk. With Shimano and SRAM both unavailable, that leaves KMC.
> I remember hearing negative comments about KMC chain years ago, but
> would like input on their current chains, particularly the following
> high end models:
> X9.xx
> Z9200
> Z9900
> If there are problems with these KMC's I will not think of going
there,
> but if on the other hand they are viewed as competitive quality
> products, I may.
> Being able to buy 500 ft. rolls of chain and assemble the chain with
> only one connector / pin offers us some inventory and labor reasons
to
> change.
>
> Please email me directly or post replies. Thanks for the help.
>
>
>
> Greg Peek
> Longbikes
> www.longbikes.com
> mailto: greg@longbikes.com
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Date: 12 Apr 2005 20:25:02
From: Ben Fox
Subject: Re: Chain advise
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Greg,
My LBS thinks KMC chains are just fine and apparently RANS and Lightning do
too as they use them on all their models.
Most Bent riders stay with the stock KMC chains and when it comes time to
replace it they go to SRAM or Shimano.
Ben Fox
<greg@longbikes.com > wrote in message
news:1113317140.305773.102440@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> It has been quite a while since I ask questions of this group, now
> Longbikes needs chain advice. I need to explore switching chain
> manufacturers for our trusty Longbikes. I have always tried to use
> Shimano drive train components, but not being able to buy chain in bulk
> rolls requires us to piece together three chains to build a Slipstream
> or Eliminator. This is extra pins and labor to do so. SRAM makes it
> impractical to buy bulk due to their OEM purchasing requirements. They
> have a minimum purchase requirement per factory shipping location
> (chains come from Portugal) which prevents us from buying SRAM chain in
> bulk. With Shimano and SRAM both unavailable, that leaves KMC.
> I remember hearing negative comments about KMC chain years ago, but
> would like input on their current chains, particularly the following
> high end models:
> X9.xx
> Z9200
> Z9900
> If there are problems with these KMC's I will not think of going there,
> but if on the other hand they are viewed as competitive quality
> products, I may.
> Being able to buy 500 ft. rolls of chain and assemble the chain with
> only one connector / pin offers us some inventory and labor reasons to
> change.
>
> Please email me directly or post replies. Thanks for the help.
>
>
>
> Greg Peek
> Longbikes
> www.longbikes.com
> mailto: greg@longbikes.com
>
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Date: 12 Apr 2005 19:32:34
From: billstream@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chain advise
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It is so cool that you would ask. Did you sleep through
that part of business school where you're taught to
tell your customers what they want? :-)
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Date: 12 Apr 2005 12:49:26
From:
Subject: Re: Chain advise
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> I remember hearing negative comments about KMC chain years ago, but
> would like input on their current chains, particularly the following
> high end models:
> X9.xx
> Z9200
> Z9900
Greg:
You might check in with Steve Delaire at rotatorrecumbent.com. He uses
KMC on his Rotators for the reasons you listed - I don't know which
model. My new Tiger will have the KMC, which I'll probably wear out
before switching to SRAM.
Regards,
John
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Date: 12 Apr 2005 11:16:39
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: Chain advise
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<greg@longbikes.com > wrote
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> [bulk chain sources] that leaves KMC.
> I remember hearing negative comments about KMC chain years ago, but
> would like input on their current chains
Cannot offer insight on KMC, but if you find a reasonably
priced source of quality bulk chain would you consider selling it
by the length retail? Those of us piecing 2.3 chains together
with two extra quick links might appreciate the option of a
one-piece chain...
The risk of quick link failure is small, but it has happened to me
while riding (once in 8000 miles and several chain replacements).
The link was lost, so I'm not sure what the failure mode was...
Cutting exposure by 2/3rds would be nice.
Jon Meinecke
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