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Date: 29 Aug 2007 07:32:28
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain bikers. He
is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not stupid like most
of them are.
When I was in my 30's I hiked and camped full time for 10 years in natural
areas and wilderness in the Western US. What was I doing anyway? I was
actually being a pilgrim seeking my roots and my salvation. I am an atheist
and have no religion whatsoever. But I find my religion in nature. After
all, that is where we came from and that is what we shall return to.
When I was hiking I would often pull off the trail and simply worship
nature. Tears would come to my eyes as I contemplated the beauty of the
natural scene before me. I never encountered a cyclist in all those years. I
would encounter a few other hikers of course and a few rare horse parties.
But never any cyclists.
The English will have to go to northern Scotland to find any kind of
wilderness, but the Aussies will find it in their interior deserts. We
Americans still have plenty of it left too, but we need to protect it and
preserve it at all costs.
Mountain bikers are into fun and games. The natural world is nothing but a
playground for them. The fact is that there are hundreds of thousands of
miles of forestry and fire roads for them to do their thing. I do not ever
want them on a hiking trail.
Chris Foster is not stupid. He has told me that he is also a hiker and a
backpacker. Surely it is not asking too much that bikers confine their
activities to whatever roads already exist and to stay off of hiking trails.
Mike Vandeman of RBS is a purist and we need types like him. I consider him
the world's foremost expert on the damage that mountain bikers do to natural
areas and to the human spirit. We do not want to end up in a world where
there are no natural areas left for our spirit. Surely, Chris Foster can
understand this.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
PS. I have decided to include the mountain cycling newsgroup in this post
since they are enthusiastic about the subject no matter how wrongheaded.
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 14:39:45
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sep 1, 3:46 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <u...@ftc.gov > wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:18:42 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
> <1188667122.959304.97...@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >Here's one definition: a little Limey pudpuller who is obsessed with
> >bicycle helmets. IOW, Guy Chapman is the very definition of a wanker.
>
> Welcome to the Michael Vandeman fan club, you just increased the
> membership to one.
Don't mistake my utter disdain for you with something else, simpleton.
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 22:54:28
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:39:45 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > said in
<1188682785.256629.213920@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com >:
>Don't mistake my utter disdain for you with something else, simpleton.
What, like an intelligent comment, you mean? No danger of that,
worry not.
Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 14:37:32
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sep 1, 3:45 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <u...@ftc.gov > wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:39:27 GMT, Mike Vandeman
> <mjva...@pacbell.net> said in
> <us1jd3tpqsrildtv9qdm6gch5nset8s...@4ax.com>:
>
> >What's a wanker?
>
> One who makes a repellant mess while giving pleasure to none but
> himself.
IOW, it's Guy Chapman!
>
> Guy
> --
> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
>
> 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 20:08:45
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:37:32 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>On Sep 1, 3:45 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:39:27 GMT, Mike Vandeman
>> <mjva...@pacbell.net> said in
>> <us1jd3tpqsrildtv9qdm6gch5nset8s...@4ax.com>:
>>
>> >What's a wanker?
>>
>> One who makes a repellant mess while giving pleasure to none but
>> himself.
>
>IOW, it's Guy Chapman!
Or any other mountain biker....
>> Guy
>> --
>> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
>>
>> 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
>
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 22:56:00
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:37:32 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > said in
<1188682652.320511.219500@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com >:
>> >What's a wanker?
>> One who makes a repellant mess while giving pleasure to none but
>> himself.
>IOW, it's Guy Chapman!
So you say. But it's Vandeman who is the sick, perverted poster of
gleeful death reports, not me.
Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 20:13:48
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 22:56:00 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<uce@ftc.gov > wrote:
>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:37:32 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
><bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
><1188682652.320511.219500@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:
>
>>> >What's a wanker?
>>> One who makes a repellant mess while giving pleasure to none but
>>> himself.
>>IOW, it's Guy Chapman!
>
>So you say. But it's Vandeman who is the sick, perverted poster of
>gleeful death reports, not me.
What's sick is trying to sweep the harm that mountain biking does
under the carpet. I'm actually doing mountain bikers a favor by
exposing the truth. It's YOU who are sick, trying to hide the truth.
That only causes more tragedies.
>Guy
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 19:34:59
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:13:48 -0700, Mike Vandeman
<mjvande@pacbell.net > said in
<aaakd3h31td9qt7b12e0ag8q7cfrdmepfn@4ax.com >:
>What's sick is trying to sweep the harm that mountain biking does
>under the carpet.
LOL! Funny how there are no sources for that supposed harm outside
of your own deranged papers, isn't it? The one independent source
you pretended did support you, turned out not to!
You are a hoot!
Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:34:59 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<uce@ftc.gov > wrote:
>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:13:48 -0700, Mike Vandeman
><mjvande@pacbell.net> said in
><aaakd3h31td9qt7b12e0ag8q7cfrdmepfn@4ax.com>:
>
>>What's sick is trying to sweep the harm that mountain biking does
>>under the carpet.
>
>LOL! Funny how there are no sources for that supposed harm outside
>of your own deranged papers, isn't it? The one independent source
>you pretended did support you, turned out not to!
Lie on.
>You are a hoot!
>
>Guy
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 10:05:29
From:
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net > wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:34:59 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
><uce@ftc.gov> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:13:48 -0700, Mike Vandeman
>><mjvande@pacbell.net> said in
>><aaakd3h31td9qt7b12e0ag8q7cfrdmepfn@4ax.com>:
>>
>>>What's sick is trying to sweep the harm that mountain biking does
>>>under the carpet.
>>
>>LOL! Funny how there are no sources for that supposed harm outside
>>of your own deranged papers, isn't it? The one independent source
>>you pretended did support you, turned out not to!
>
> Lie on.
>
>>You are a hoot!
>>
>>Guy
>--
>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
>Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>
>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat, when you remove them and
the changes they make you have no natural habitat. It's like removing beavers
because they damage the habitat. They ARE the habitat. Same thing with humans.
We've been cultivating forests and plains for thousands of years. we've built
paths through the wilderness since the very beginning. The lands without our
work is not "natural."
Now quit acting like a tenured retard and get out in the woods and enjoy them
the way you're supposed to.
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Date: 06 Sep 2007 19:10:57
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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<Hobbes@spnb&s.com > wrote in message
news:lr4od3p1ingk01p2spvtmrf8g4orog1uqi@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:34:59 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>><uce@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:13:48 -0700, Mike Vandeman
>>><mjvande@pacbell.net> said in
>>><aaakd3h31td9qt7b12e0ag8q7cfrdmepfn@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>>What's sick is trying to sweep the harm that mountain biking does
>>>>under the carpet.
>>>
>>>LOL! Funny how there are no sources for that supposed harm outside
>>>of your own deranged papers, isn't it? The one independent source
>>>you pretended did support you, turned out not to!
>>
>> Lie on.
>>
>>>You are a hoot!
>>>
>>>Guy
>>--
>>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>>Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>>fond of!
>>
>>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
> You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups
> that
> might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat, when you remove
> them and
> the changes they make you have no natural habitat. It's like removing
> beavers
> because they damage the habitat. They ARE the habitat. Same thing with
> humans.
> We've been cultivating forests and plains for thousands of years. we've
> built
> paths through the wilderness since the very beginning. The lands without
> our
> work is not "natural."
You don't go back far enough! Take Homo sapiens out of the equation and you
have got a more "natural" situation.
We humans are "unnatural" monsters pure and simple. We destroy whatever we
touch. If and when the earth is ever rid of us, it will be a much better
place for all of the other creatures.
> Now quit acting like a tenured retard and get out in the woods and enjoy
> them
> the way you're supposed to.
There are damn few woods left on this earth. And the god damn mountain
bikers with their infernal machines are seeing to it that there is
absolutely nothing left.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 22:52:59
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:05:29 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:34:59 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>><uce@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:13:48 -0700, Mike Vandeman
>>><mjvande@pacbell.net> said in
>>><aaakd3h31td9qt7b12e0ag8q7cfrdmepfn@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>>What's sick is trying to sweep the harm that mountain biking does
>>>>under the carpet.
>>>
>>>LOL! Funny how there are no sources for that supposed harm outside
>>>of your own deranged papers, isn't it? The one independent source
>>>you pretended did support you, turned out not to!
>>
>> Lie on.
>>
>>>You are a hoot!
>>>
>>>Guy
>>--
>>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>>Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
>might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat,
Humans, as a species, are native to Africa. Period. Everywhere else,
we are a newcomer, and hence an invasive exotic, like zebra mussels or
purple loosestrife. But, hey, thanks for sharing your ignorance and
arrogance with us all.
when you remove them and
>the changes they make you have no natural habitat. It's like removing beavers
>because they damage the habitat. They ARE the habitat. Same thing with humans.
>We've been cultivating forests and plains for thousands of years. we've built
>paths through the wilderness since the very beginning. The lands without our
>work is not "natural."
>
>Now quit acting like a tenured retard and get out in the woods and enjoy them
>the way you're supposed to.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 09:38:03
From:
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:52:59 -0700, Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net > wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:05:29 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
>>might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat,
>
>Humans, as a species, are native to Africa. Period. Everywhere else,
>we are a newcomer, and hence an invasive exotic, like zebra mussels or
>purple loosestrife. But, hey, thanks for sharing your ignorance and
>arrogance with us all.
Do you propose the usual extermination efforts to deal with this exotic species
infestation?
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 08:23:02
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:38:03 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 22:52:59 -0700, Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:05:29 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>
>
>>>You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
>>>might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat,
>>
>>Humans, as a species, are native to Africa. Period. Everywhere else,
>>we are a newcomer, and hence an invasive exotic, like zebra mussels or
>>purple loosestrife. But, hey, thanks for sharing your ignorance and
>>arrogance with us all.
>
>Do you propose the usual extermination efforts to deal with this exotic species
>infestation?
I propose that humans should act like the guests that they are: with
restraint. No frivolous habitat destruction.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 19:55:11
From:
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:05:29 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:34:59 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>><uce@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:13:48 -0700, Mike Vandeman
>>><mjvande@pacbell.net> said in
>>><aaakd3h31td9qt7b12e0ag8q7cfrdmepfn@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>>What's sick is trying to sweep the harm that mountain biking does
>>>>under the carpet.
>>>
>>>LOL! Funny how there are no sources for that supposed harm outside
>>>of your own deranged papers, isn't it? The one independent source
>>>you pretended did support you, turned out not to!
>>
>> Lie on.
>>
>>>You are a hoot!
>>>
>>>Guy
>>--
>>I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>>Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
>>
>>http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
>might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat, when you remove them and
>the changes they make you have no natural habitat. It's like removing beavers
>because they damage the habitat. They ARE the habitat. Same thing with humans.
>We've been cultivating forests and plains for thousands of years. we've built
>paths through the wilderness since the very beginning. The lands without our
>work is not "natural."
>
>Now quit acting like a tenured retard and get out in the woods and enjoy them
>the way you're supposed to.
Yeah, loggers, diamond miners and big oil along with nuclear power
plants are as much a part of the natural habitat and do about as much
damage as beavers. However, "The lands without our work is not
natural" was most likely written by your undeniably more intelligent
mongoloid brother.
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 09:35:59
From:
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:55:11 GMT, toss@gmail.com wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:05:29 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
>>might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat, when you remove them and
>>the changes they make you have no natural habitat. It's like removing beavers
>>because they damage the habitat. They ARE the habitat. Same thing with humans.
>>We've been cultivating forests and plains for thousands of years. we've built
>>paths through the wilderness since the very beginning. The lands without our
>>work is not "natural."
>>
>>Now quit acting like a tenured retard and get out in the woods and enjoy them
>>the way you're supposed to.
>
>Yeah, loggers, diamond miners and big oil along with nuclear power
>plants are as much a part of the natural habitat and do about as much
>damage as beavers. However, "The lands without our work is not
>natural" was most likely written by your undeniably more intelligent
>mongoloid brother.
Mike isn't complaining about oil refineries and power plants. He is complaining
about people making single track trails through forests.
Do YOU really think those are the same thing?
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 08:21:50
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Tue, 04 Sep 2007 09:35:59 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 19:55:11 GMT, toss@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 10:05:29 -0400, Hobbes@spnb&s.com wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 15:59:07 -0700, Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>>
>
>>>You would be thanked to confine your blithering obsession to newsgroups that
>>>might possibly care. Humans are a part of the habitat, when you remove them and
>>>the changes they make you have no natural habitat. It's like removing beavers
>>>because they damage the habitat. They ARE the habitat. Same thing with humans.
>>>We've been cultivating forests and plains for thousands of years. we've built
>>>paths through the wilderness since the very beginning. The lands without our
>>>work is not "natural."
>>>
>>>Now quit acting like a tenured retard and get out in the woods and enjoy them
>>>the way you're supposed to.
>>
>>Yeah, loggers, diamond miners and big oil along with nuclear power
>>plants are as much a part of the natural habitat and do about as much
>>damage as beavers. However, "The lands without our work is not
>>natural" was most likely written by your undeniably more intelligent
>>mongoloid brother.
>
>Mike isn't complaining about oil refineries and power plants. He is complaining
>about people making single track trails through forests.
>
>Do YOU really think those are the same thing?
Mountain bikers LOVE to change the subject -- to ANYTHING but their
selfish, destructive sport.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 10:18:42
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sep 1, 10:39 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:54:10 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>
> <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:
> >Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
>
> >Because he's a wanker.
>
> What's a wanker?
Here's one definition: a little Limey pudpuller who is obsessed with
bicycle helmets. IOW, Guy Chapman is the very definition of a wanker.
>
>
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 21:46:35
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:18:42 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > said in
<1188667122.959304.97340@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com >:
>Here's one definition: a little Limey pudpuller who is obsessed with
>bicycle helmets. IOW, Guy Chapman is the very definition of a wanker.
Welcome to the Michael Vandeman fan club, you just increased the
membership to one.
Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 20:15:28
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 21:46:35 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<uce@ftc.gov > wrote:
>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:18:42 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
><bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
><1188667122.959304.97340@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>:
>
>>Here's one definition: a little Limey pudpuller who is obsessed with
>>bicycle helmets. IOW, Guy Chapman is the very definition of a wanker.
>
>Welcome to the Michael Vandeman fan club, you just increased the
>membership to one.
Don't change the subject. It's YOU.
>Guy
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 19:33:51
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:15:28 -0700, Mike Vandeman
<mjvande@pacbell.net > said in
<tlakd3l536psl1fd455sili3aeu7515ku7@4ax.com >:
>>Welcome to the Michael Vandeman fan club, you just increased the
>>membership to one.
>Don't change the subject. It's YOU.
No, I'm not the Mike Vandeman fan club, I think you're a pathetic
loser, but you're funny to watch because yo are so ineffectual that
you pose no risk of actually achieving the ain of your Holy Jihad.
Guy
--
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 16:02:29
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 19:33:51 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<uce@ftc.gov > wrote:
>On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:15:28 -0700, Mike Vandeman
><mjvande@pacbell.net> said in
><tlakd3l536psl1fd455sili3aeu7515ku7@4ax.com>:
>
>>>Welcome to the Michael Vandeman fan club, you just increased the
>>>membership to one.
>
>>Don't change the subject. It's YOU.
>
>No, I'm not the Mike Vandeman fan club, I think you're a pathetic
>loser, but you're funny to watch because yo are so ineffectual that
>you pose no risk of actually achieving the ain of your Holy Jihad.
>
>Guy
Double-yawn.
--
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 17:39:02
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:29 -0700, Mike Vandeman
<mjvande@pacbell.net > said in
<n7gmd3tpm0gvi2qjsknjd0muonro8rr080@4ax.com >:
>Double-yawn.
Capitulation noted.
Guy
--
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 20:16:01
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 10:18:42 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>On Sep 1, 10:39 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:54:10 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>>
>> <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:
>> >Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
>>
>> >Because he's a wanker.
>>
>> What's a wanker?
>
>Here's one definition: a little Limey pudpuller who is obsessed with
>bicycle helmets. IOW, Guy Chapman is the very definition of a wanker.
Thanks. Just what I suspected. Like our so-called "senator" who was
criticizing gays, while trying to get some surreptitious action in
men's rooms....
--
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 00:54:17
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Cycling in nature and the wilderness
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 07:32:28 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain bikers. He
>is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not stupid like most
>of them are.
>
>When I was in my 30's I hiked and camped full time for 10 years in natural
>areas and wilderness in the Western US. What was I doing anyway? I was
>actually being a pilgrim seeking my roots and my salvation. I am an atheist
>and have no religion whatsoever. But I find my religion in nature. After
>all, that is where we came from and that is what we shall return to.
>
>When I was hiking I would often pull off the trail and simply worship
>nature. Tears would come to my eyes as I contemplated the beauty of the
>natural scene before me. I never encountered a cyclist in all those years. I
>would encounter a few other hikers of course and a few rare horse parties.
>But never any cyclists.
>
>The English will have to go to northern Scotland to find any kind of
>wilderness, but the Aussies will find it in their interior deserts. We
>Americans still have plenty of it left too, but we need to protect it and
>preserve it at all costs.
>
>Mountain bikers are into fun and games. The natural world is nothing but a
>playground for them. The fact is that there are hundreds of thousands of
>miles of forestry and fire roads for them to do their thing. I do not ever
>want them on a hiking trail.
>
>Chris Foster is not stupid. He has told me that he is also a hiker and a
>backpacker. Surely it is not asking too much that bikers confine their
>activities to whatever roads already exist and to stay off of hiking trails.
>
>Mike Vandeman of RBS is a purist and we need types like him. I consider him
>the world's foremost expert on the damage that mountain bikers do to natural
>areas and to the human spirit. We do not want to end up in a world where
>there are no natural areas left for our spirit. Surely, Chris Foster can
>understand this.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>PS. I have decided to include the mountain cycling newsgroup in this post
>since they are enthusiastic about the subject no matter how wrongheaded.
"Pearls before swine" is the phrase that comes to mind. Keep up the
good work, Ed! God (that would be me, in this context) knows you are
right! :)
--
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Date: 31 Aug 2007 09:17:18
From: Scott Gordo
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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On Aug 30, 11:20 am, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me > wrote:
> zencycle wrote:
> > Die Dolan Die!!
>
> Won, like, how /zen/...
Those with no peace, preach peace.
/s
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Date: 31 Aug 2007 09:44:52
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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Scott Gordo wrote:
> On Aug 30, 11:20 am, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me> wrote:
>> zencycle wrote:
>>> Die Dolan Die!!
>> Won, like, how /zen/...
> Those with no peace, preach peace.
SEX!
(D'oh.)
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 07:06:29
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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On Aug 30, 8:32 am, zencycle <zency...@bikerider.com > wrote:
> On Aug 30, 7:09 am, Terryc <newsthreespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> > > Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on one
> > > thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural scene and
> > > wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>
> > So, should their be a "MTB" season?
>
> You people need to understand something, as long as you reply this
> waste of human flesh's' posts, he won't go away. Just imagine, logging
> onto this group some day and NOT seeing perverted insane rantings from
> ed dolan the mental defective. That day would be greater than
> indictments handed down against dick cheney.
>
> I truly feel sorry for the good people of Minnesota, and especially
> for every bicycle that has ever had the indignity of suffer the weight
> of ed dolans fat hairy gassy ass. The only reason there is any sorrow
> (perpetual or not) in Minnesota is due to the existence on this planet
> of ed dolan. This world would be a much better place if he were to get
> hit by a big Minnesota snow plow.
>
> Through the years of lurking on this website, I have never seen a post
> from this stinking pile of human fecal matter that even _resembles_
> anything that could pass for lucid or well-reasoned technical dialog.
> I generally ignore his posts, as he is so far beneath the level of
> even the most naive cycling debutante that he isn't worth reading.
> However, when I see a thread in response to some useless dolan sputum,
> I feel as compelled to caution the legitimate users of this site to
> refrain from entertaining ed dolan the insipid as a family values
> republican does to snort crystal meth and hire male prostitutes.
>
> Die Dolan Die!!
I agree and I think this about sums it up ... NEVER MAKE SOMEONE YOUR
PRIORITY WHILE YOU REMAIN THEIR OPTION!!!!!
Jim McNamara.
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 06:32:35
From: zencycle
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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On Aug 30, 7:09 am, Terryc <newsthreespam-s...@woa.com.au > wrote:
> Edward Dolan wrote:
> > Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on one
> > thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural scene and
> > wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>
> So, should their be a "MTB" season?
You people need to understand something, as long as you reply this
waste of human flesh's' posts, he won't go away. Just imagine, logging
onto this group some day and NOT seeing perverted insane rantings from
ed dolan the mental defective. That day would be greater than
indictments handed down against dick cheney.
I truly feel sorry for the good people of Minnesota, and especially
for every bicycle that has ever had the indignity of suffer the weight
of ed dolans fat hairy gassy ass. The only reason there is any sorrow
(perpetual or not) in Minnesota is due to the existence on this planet
of ed dolan. This world would be a much better place if he were to get
hit by a big Minnesota snow plow.
Through the years of lurking on this website, I have never seen a post
from this stinking pile of human fecal matter that even _resembles_
anything that could pass for lucid or well-reasoned technical dialog.
I generally ignore his posts, as he is so far beneath the level of
even the most naive cycling debutante that he isn't worth reading.
However, when I see a thread in response to some useless dolan sputum,
I feel as compelled to caution the legitimate users of this site to
refrain from entertaining ed dolan the insipid as a family values
republican does to snort crystal meth and hire male prostitutes.
Die Dolan Die!!
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 01:30:43
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling in nature and the wilderness
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"zencycle" <zencycle@bikerider.com > wrote in message
news:1188480755.423975.305070@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 30, 7:09 am, Terryc <newsthreespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> > Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on one
>> > thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural scene
>> > and
>> > wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>>
>> So, should their be a "MTB" season?
>
>
> You people need to understand something, as long as you reply this
> waste of human flesh's' posts, he won't go away. Just imagine, logging
> onto this group some day and NOT seeing perverted insane rantings from
> ed dolan the mental defective. That day would be greater than
> indictments handed down against dick cheney.
>
> I truly feel sorry for the good people of Minnesota, and especially
> for every bicycle that has ever had the indignity of suffer the weight
> of ed dolans fat hairy gassy ass. The only reason there is any sorrow
> (perpetual or not) in Minnesota is due to the existence on this planet
> of ed dolan. This world would be a much better place if he were to get
> hit by a big Minnesota snow plow.
>
> Through the years of lurking on this website, I have never seen a post
> from this stinking pile of human fecal matter that even _resembles_
> anything that could pass for lucid or well-reasoned technical dialog.
> I generally ignore his posts, as he is so far beneath the level of
> even the most naive cycling debutante that he isn't worth reading.
> However, when I see a thread in response to some useless dolan sputum,
> I feel as compelled to caution the legitimate users of this site to
> refrain from entertaining ed dolan the insipid as a family values
> republican does to snort crystal meth and hire male prostitutes.
>
> Die Dolan Die!!
Here is an example of one of my most ardent admirers, but please, it is
embarrassing to be so highly praised in front of so many strangers. Try to
restrain your enthusiasm. Yea, you and I both know how Great I am, but let
others find it out for themselves.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 15:33:03
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Cycling in nature and the wilderness
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On Sat, 1 Sep 2007 01:30:43 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>
>"zencycle" <zencycle@bikerider.com> wrote in message
>news:1188480755.423975.305070@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 30, 7:09 am, Terryc <newsthreespam-s...@woa.com.au> wrote:
>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> > Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on one
>>> > thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural scene
>>> > and
>>> > wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>>>
>>> So, should their be a "MTB" season?
>>
>>
>> You people need to understand something, as long as you reply this
>> waste of human flesh's' posts, he won't go away. Just imagine, logging
>> onto this group some day and NOT seeing perverted insane rantings from
>> ed dolan the mental defective. That day would be greater than
>> indictments handed down against dick cheney.
>>
>> I truly feel sorry for the good people of Minnesota, and especially
>> for every bicycle that has ever had the indignity of suffer the weight
>> of ed dolans fat hairy gassy ass. The only reason there is any sorrow
>> (perpetual or not) in Minnesota is due to the existence on this planet
>> of ed dolan. This world would be a much better place if he were to get
>> hit by a big Minnesota snow plow.
>>
>> Through the years of lurking on this website, I have never seen a post
>> from this stinking pile of human fecal matter that even _resembles_
>> anything that could pass for lucid or well-reasoned technical dialog.
>> I generally ignore his posts, as he is so far beneath the level of
>> even the most naive cycling debutante that he isn't worth reading.
>> However, when I see a thread in response to some useless dolan sputum,
>> I feel as compelled to caution the legitimate users of this site to
>> refrain from entertaining ed dolan the insipid as a family values
>> republican does to snort crystal meth and hire male prostitutes.
>>
>> Die Dolan Die!!
>
>Here is an example of one of my most ardent admirers, but please, it is
>embarrassing to be so highly praised in front of so many strangers. Try to
>restrain your enthusiasm. Yea, you and I both know how Great I am, but let
>others find it out for themselves.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
BRILLIANT, Your Saintliness!
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 08:20:04
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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zencycle wrote:
> Die Dolan Die!!
Won, like, how /zen/...
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 14:47:52
From: Mark McNeill
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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Response to zencycle:
> Just imagine, logging
> onto this group some day and NOT seeing perverted insane rantings from
> ed dolan the mental defective. That day would be greater than
> indictments handed down against dick cheney.
That happy state - the first one, at least - already exists, for some of
us. Ed has been in my killfile for years now.
--
Mark, UK
"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it
turns out that God hates all the same people you do."
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Date: 29 Aug 2007 17:52:04
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in
news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not
> stupid like most of them are.
I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
Chris Foster
>
> When I was in my 30's I hiked and camped full time for 10 years in
> natural areas and wilderness in the Western US. What was I doing
> anyway? I was actually being a pilgrim seeking my roots and my
> salvation. I am an atheist and have no religion whatsoever. But I find
> my religion in nature. After all, that is where we came from and that
> is what we shall return to.
>
> When I was hiking I would often pull off the trail and simply worship
> nature. Tears would come to my eyes as I contemplated the beauty of
> the natural scene before me. I never encountered a cyclist in all
> those years. I would encounter a few other hikers of course and a few
> rare horse parties. But never any cyclists.
>
> The English will have to go to northern Scotland to find any kind of
> wilderness, but the Aussies will find it in their interior deserts. We
> Americans still have plenty of it left too, but we need to protect it
> and preserve it at all costs.
>
> Mountain bikers are into fun and games. The natural world is nothing
> but a playground for them. The fact is that there are hundreds of
> thousands of miles of forestry and fire roads for them to do their
> thing. I do not ever want them on a hiking trail.
>
> Chris Foster is not stupid. He has told me that he is also a hiker and
> a backpacker. Surely it is not asking too much that bikers confine
> their activities to whatever roads already exist and to stay off of
> hiking trails.
>
> Mike Vandeman of RBS is a purist and we need types like him. I
> consider him the world's foremost expert on the damage that mountain
> bikers do to natural areas and to the human spirit. We do not want to
> end up in a world where there are no natural areas left for our
> spirit. Surely, Chris Foster can understand this.
Don't call me Shirley !
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> PS. I have decided to include the mountain cycling newsgroup in this
> post since they are enthusiastic about the subject no matter how
> wrongheaded.
>
>
>
>
>
>
--
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 13:00:31
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sep 2, 2:02 pm, "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk > wrote:
> "Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1188759094.554520.108320@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> In MikeyWorld, yes. Nobody else gives a flying fuck, which is why
> >> your Holy Jihad is so funny!
>
> > Substitute "bike helmets" for "mountain biker", and this applies
> > perfectly to Guy Chapman and his helmet crusade. ;-)
>
> Smiley noted, but nope. And if you didn't give a flying fuck, you wouldn't
> keep on about it.
>
By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about Vandeman's
crusade, right?
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 17:40:26
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:00:31 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > said in
<1188763231.621809.188800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com >:
>By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about Vandeman's
>crusade, right?
Nope. I just enjoy poking the idiot with a sharp stick. He's funny
to watch.
Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 03:29:13
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
|
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:40:26 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
<uce@ftc.gov > wrote:
>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:00:31 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
><bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
><1188763231.621809.188800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>:
>
>>By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about Vandeman's
>>crusade, right?
>
>Nope. I just enjoy poking the idiot with a sharp stick. He's funny
>to watch.
>
>Guy
Anyone expecting this guy to tell the truth is in for a rude
awakening.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 20:33:15
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
|
Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net > wrote in
news:2fe9e31cuhm6he8uilhm4pqv1043hq5oge@4ax.com:
> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:40:26 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
> <uce@ftc.gov> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:00:31 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>><bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
>><1188763231.621809.188800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>>>By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about Vandeman's
>>>crusade, right?
>>
>>Nope. I just enjoy poking the idiot with a sharp stick. He's funny
>>to watch.
>>
>>Guy
>
> Anyone expecting this guy to tell the truth is in for a rude
> awakening.
Mike,
In the thread "Black bear attacks mountain biker in Washington State
park" your statement that black bears attack to defend their young. This
assertion was proven wrong by two different people using two different
lines of reasoning.
Simply put: You were wrong!
If you were wrong then, how can I take anything you write seriously??
Who is in for a rude awaking?? I think it is all of us.
--
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Date: 11 Sep 2007 17:30:05
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
|
On 10 Sep 2007 20:33:15 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>news:2fe9e31cuhm6he8uilhm4pqv1043hq5oge@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:40:26 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>> <uce@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:00:31 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>>><bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
>>><1188763231.621809.188800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>:
>>>
>>>>By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about Vandeman's
>>>>crusade, right?
>>>
>>>Nope. I just enjoy poking the idiot with a sharp stick. He's funny
>>>to watch.
>>>
>>>Guy
>>
>> Anyone expecting this guy to tell the truth is in for a rude
>> awakening.
>
>Mike,
> In the thread "Black bear attacks mountain biker in Washington State
>park" your statement that black bears attack to defend their young. This
>assertion was proven wrong by two different people using two different
>lines of reasoning.
>
> Simply put: You were wrong!
BS. Unless you are a bear, you don't know why they attack.
> If you were wrong then, how can I take anything you write seriously??
>
> Who is in for a rude awaking?? I think it is all of us.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 13:41:08
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net > wrote in
news:5ncee3l2es5ktahhdeo468bka7hvijb851@4ax.com:
> On 10 Sep 2007 20:33:15 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>>news:2fe9e31cuhm6he8uilhm4pqv1043hq5oge@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:40:26 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>>> <uce@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:00:31 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>>>><bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
>>>><1188763231.621809.188800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about Vandeman's
>>>>>crusade, right?
>>>>
>>>>Nope. I just enjoy poking the idiot with a sharp stick. He's funny
>>>>to watch.
>>>>
>>>>Guy
>>>
>>> Anyone expecting this guy to tell the truth is in for a rude
>>> awakening.
>>
>>Mike,
>> In the thread "Black bear attacks mountain biker in Washington
>> State
>>park" your statement that black bears attack to defend their young.
>>This assertion was proven wrong by two different people using two
>>different lines of reasoning.
>>
>> Simply put: You were wrong!
>
> BS. Unless you are a bear, you don't know why they attack.
>
>> If you were wrong then, how can I take anything you write
>> seriously??
>>
>> Who is in for a rude awaking?? I think it is all of us.
You can stick your head in the sand all you want. Your assertion was
proven wrong. Didnt you even read the replies to your stupid statement.
I will cut and paste it again for you and all to read once again:
From a long list of characteristics, the last one listed
at <http://www.bear.org/Black/Black_Bear_Facts.html > is
Greatest misconception:
The greatest misconception about black bears is that
they are likely to attack people in defense of cubs.
They are highly unlikely to do this. Black bear
researchers often capture screaming cubs in the
presence of bluff-charging mothers with no attacks.
Defense of cubs is a grizzly bear trait. About 70
percent of human deaths from grizzly bears are from
mothers defending cubs, but black bear mothers have
not been known to kill anyone in defense of cubs.
--
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Date: 12 Sep 2007 19:08:48
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On 12 Sep 2007 13:41:08 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>news:5ncee3l2es5ktahhdeo468bka7hvijb851@4ax.com:
>
>> On 10 Sep 2007 20:33:15 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>>>news:2fe9e31cuhm6he8uilhm4pqv1043hq5oge@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:40:26 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>>>> <uce@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:00:31 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>>>>><bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
>>>>><1188763231.621809.188800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about Vandeman's
>>>>>>crusade, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope. I just enjoy poking the idiot with a sharp stick. He's funny
>>>>>to watch.
>>>>>
>>>>>Guy
>>>>
>>>> Anyone expecting this guy to tell the truth is in for a rude
>>>> awakening.
>>>
>>>Mike,
>>> In the thread "Black bear attacks mountain biker in Washington
>>> State
>>>park" your statement that black bears attack to defend their young.
>>>This assertion was proven wrong by two different people using two
>>>different lines of reasoning.
>>>
>>> Simply put: You were wrong!
>>
>> BS. Unless you are a bear, you don't know why they attack.
>>
>>> If you were wrong then, how can I take anything you write
>>> seriously??
>>>
>>> Who is in for a rude awaking?? I think it is all of us.
>
>You can stick your head in the sand all you want. Your assertion was
>proven wrong. Didnt you even read the replies to your stupid statement.
>I will cut and paste it again for you and all to read once again:
>
>
>
>From a long list of characteristics, the last one listed
>at <http://www.bear.org/Black/Black_Bear_Facts.html> is
>
> Greatest misconception:
>
> The greatest misconception about black bears is that
> they are likely to attack people in defense of cubs.
> They are highly unlikely to do this.
So they MIGHT do it. QED Can't you read?
Black bear
> researchers often capture screaming cubs in the
> presence of bluff-charging mothers with no attacks.
> Defense of cubs is a grizzly bear trait. About 70
> percent of human deaths from grizzly bears are from
> mothers defending cubs, but black bear mothers have
> not been known to kill anyone in defense of cubs.
--
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 12:38:46
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net > wrote in
news:ur6he3hl05ugdlp2pghkqa26mt3g7f7tot@4ax.com:
> On 12 Sep 2007 13:41:08 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>>news:5ncee3l2es5ktahhdeo468bka7hvijb851@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On 10 Sep 2007 20:33:15 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>>>>news:2fe9e31cuhm6he8uilhm4pqv1043hq5oge@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:40:26 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>>>>> <uce@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:00:31 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>>>>>><bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
>>>>>><1188763231.621809.188800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about
>>>>>>>Vandeman's crusade, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nope. I just enjoy poking the idiot with a sharp stick. He's
>>>>>>funny to watch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Guy
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone expecting this guy to tell the truth is in for a rude
>>>>> awakening.
>>>>
>>>>Mike,
>>>> In the thread "Black bear attacks mountain biker in Washington
>>>> State
>>>>park" your statement that black bears attack to defend their young.
>>>>This assertion was proven wrong by two different people using two
>>>>different lines of reasoning.
>>>>
>>>> Simply put: You were wrong!
>>>
>>> BS. Unless you are a bear, you don't know why they attack.
>>>
>>>> If you were wrong then, how can I take anything you write
>>>> seriously??
>>>>
>>>> Who is in for a rude awaking?? I think it is all of us.
>>
>>You can stick your head in the sand all you want. Your assertion was
>>proven wrong. Didnt you even read the replies to your stupid
>>statement. I will cut and paste it again for you and all to read once
>>again:
>>
>>
>>
>>From a long list of characteristics, the last one listed
>>at <http://www.bear.org/Black/Black_Bear_Facts.html> is
>>
>> Greatest misconception:
>>
>> The greatest misconception about black bears is that
>> they are likely to attack people in defense of cubs.
>> They are highly unlikely to do this.
>
> So they MIGHT do it. QED Can't you read?
And a meteor MIGHT hit you in the forehead, but alas, it probably won't.
You love to streatch the truth a bit to fit your odd sense of the world.
Remember, I am not a mountain biker, therefore; you can not say "Why Do
Mountain Bikers ALWAYS Resort to THREATS AND VIOLENCE?"
>
> Black bear
>> researchers often capture screaming cubs in the
>> presence of bluff-charging mothers with no attacks.
>> Defense of cubs is a grizzly bear trait. About 70
>> percent of human deaths from grizzly bears are from
>> mothers defending cubs, but black bear mothers have
>> not been known to kill anyone in defense of cubs.
--
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 08:22:37
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On 13 Sep 2007 12:38:46 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>news:ur6he3hl05ugdlp2pghkqa26mt3g7f7tot@4ax.com:
>
>> On 12 Sep 2007 13:41:08 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>>>news:5ncee3l2es5ktahhdeo468bka7hvijb851@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On 10 Sep 2007 20:33:15 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>>>>>news:2fe9e31cuhm6he8uilhm4pqv1043hq5oge@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:40:26 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>>>>>> <uce@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:00:31 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>>>>>>><bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
>>>>>>><1188763231.621809.188800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about
>>>>>>>>Vandeman's crusade, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nope. I just enjoy poking the idiot with a sharp stick. He's
>>>>>>>funny to watch.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Guy
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone expecting this guy to tell the truth is in for a rude
>>>>>> awakening.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mike,
>>>>> In the thread "Black bear attacks mountain biker in Washington
>>>>> State
>>>>>park" your statement that black bears attack to defend their young.
>>>>>This assertion was proven wrong by two different people using two
>>>>>different lines of reasoning.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simply put: You were wrong!
>>>>
>>>> BS. Unless you are a bear, you don't know why they attack.
>>>>
>>>>> If you were wrong then, how can I take anything you write
>>>>> seriously??
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is in for a rude awaking?? I think it is all of us.
>>>
>>>You can stick your head in the sand all you want. Your assertion was
>>>proven wrong. Didnt you even read the replies to your stupid
>>>statement. I will cut and paste it again for you and all to read once
>>>again:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>From a long list of characteristics, the last one listed
>>>at <http://www.bear.org/Black/Black_Bear_Facts.html> is
>>>
>>> Greatest misconception:
>>>
>>> The greatest misconception about black bears is that
>>> they are likely to attack people in defense of cubs.
>>> They are highly unlikely to do this.
>>
>> So they MIGHT do it. QED Can't you read?
>
>And a meteor MIGHT hit you in the forehead, but alas, it probably won't.
>You love to streatch the truth a bit to fit your odd sense of the world.
>
>Remember, I am not a mountain biker, therefore; you can not say "Why Do
>Mountain Bikers ALWAYS Resort to THREATS AND VIOLENCE?"
But you are a mountain biker sympathizer. QED
>>
>> Black bear
>>> researchers often capture screaming cubs in the
>>> presence of bluff-charging mothers with no attacks.
>>> Defense of cubs is a grizzly bear trait. About 70
>>> percent of human deaths from grizzly bears are from
>>> mothers defending cubs, but black bear mothers have
>>> not been known to kill anyone in defense of cubs.
--
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
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Date: 13 Sep 2007 19:50:01
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net > wrote in
news:3dlie3dmrdbeq720uic05l6cl8feb5kvot@4ax.com:
> On 13 Sep 2007 12:38:46 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>>news:ur6he3hl05ugdlp2pghkqa26mt3g7f7tot@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On 12 Sep 2007 13:41:08 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>>>>news:5ncee3l2es5ktahhdeo468bka7hvijb851@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10 Sep 2007 20:33:15 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>>>>>>news:2fe9e31cuhm6he8uilhm4pqv1043hq5oge@4ax.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:40:26 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>>>>>>> <uce@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:00:31 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>>>>>>>><bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
>>>>>>>><1188763231.621809.188800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about
>>>>>>>>>Vandeman's crusade, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nope. I just enjoy poking the idiot with a sharp stick. He's
>>>>>>>>funny to watch.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Guy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone expecting this guy to tell the truth is in for a rude
>>>>>>> awakening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike,
>>>>>> In the thread "Black bear attacks mountain biker in Washington
>>>>>> State
>>>>>>park" your statement that black bears attack to defend their
>>>>>>young. This assertion was proven wrong by two different people
>>>>>>using two different lines of reasoning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simply put: You were wrong!
>>>>>
>>>>> BS. Unless you are a bear, you don't know why they attack.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you were wrong then, how can I take anything you write
>>>>>> seriously??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who is in for a rude awaking?? I think it is all of us.
>>>>
>>>>You can stick your head in the sand all you want. Your assertion
>>>>was proven wrong. Didnt you even read the replies to your stupid
>>>>statement. I will cut and paste it again for you and all to read
>>>>once again:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>From a long list of characteristics, the last one listed
>>>>at <http://www.bear.org/Black/Black_Bear_Facts.html> is
>>>>
>>>> Greatest misconception:
>>>>
>>>> The greatest misconception about black bears is that
>>>> they are likely to attack people in defense of cubs.
>>>> They are highly unlikely to do this.
>>>
>>> So they MIGHT do it. QED Can't you read?
>>
>>And a meteor MIGHT hit you in the forehead, but alas, it probably
>>won't. You love to streatch the truth a bit to fit your odd sense of
>>the world.
>>
>>Remember, I am not a mountain biker, therefore; you can not say "Why
>>Do Mountain Bikers ALWAYS Resort to THREATS AND VIOLENCE?"
>
> But you are a mountain biker sympathizer. QED
Nope ! I am a persom who likes to poke the trolls under the bridge
with sharp sticks.
Once again. You were wrong about your assertion. Why cant you admit
it?
>
>>>
>>> Black bear
>>>> researchers often capture screaming cubs in the
>>>> presence of bluff-charging mothers with no attacks.
>>>> Defense of cubs is a grizzly bear trait. About 70
>>>> percent of human deaths from grizzly bears are from
>>>> mothers defending cubs, but black bear mothers have
>>>> not been known to kill anyone in defense of cubs.
--
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 16:17:07
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On 13 Sep 2007 19:50:01 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>news:3dlie3dmrdbeq720uic05l6cl8feb5kvot@4ax.com:
>
>> On 13 Sep 2007 12:38:46 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>>>news:ur6he3hl05ugdlp2pghkqa26mt3g7f7tot@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On 12 Sep 2007 13:41:08 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>>>>>news:5ncee3l2es5ktahhdeo468bka7hvijb851@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10 Sep 2007 20:33:15 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>>>>>>>news:2fe9e31cuhm6he8uilhm4pqv1043hq5oge@4ax.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:40:26 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
>>>>>>>> <uce@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:00:31 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>>>>>>>>><bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
>>>>>>>>><1188763231.621809.188800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about
>>>>>>>>>>Vandeman's crusade, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Nope. I just enjoy poking the idiot with a sharp stick. He's
>>>>>>>>>funny to watch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Guy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyone expecting this guy to tell the truth is in for a rude
>>>>>>>> awakening.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mike,
>>>>>>> In the thread "Black bear attacks mountain biker in Washington
>>>>>>> State
>>>>>>>park" your statement that black bears attack to defend their
>>>>>>>young. This assertion was proven wrong by two different people
>>>>>>>using two different lines of reasoning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simply put: You were wrong!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BS. Unless you are a bear, you don't know why they attack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you were wrong then, how can I take anything you write
>>>>>>> seriously??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who is in for a rude awaking?? I think it is all of us.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can stick your head in the sand all you want. Your assertion
>>>>>was proven wrong. Didnt you even read the replies to your stupid
>>>>>statement. I will cut and paste it again for you and all to read
>>>>>once again:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>From a long list of characteristics, the last one listed
>>>>>at <http://www.bear.org/Black/Black_Bear_Facts.html> is
>>>>>
>>>>> Greatest misconception:
>>>>>
>>>>> The greatest misconception about black bears is that
>>>>> they are likely to attack people in defense of cubs.
>>>>> They are highly unlikely to do this.
>>>>
>>>> So they MIGHT do it. QED Can't you read?
>>>
>>>And a meteor MIGHT hit you in the forehead, but alas, it probably
>>>won't. You love to streatch the truth a bit to fit your odd sense of
>>>the world.
>>>
>>>Remember, I am not a mountain biker, therefore; you can not say "Why
>>>Do Mountain Bikers ALWAYS Resort to THREATS AND VIOLENCE?"
>>
>> But you are a mountain biker sympathizer. QED
>
>Nope ! I am a persom who likes to poke the trolls under the bridge
>with sharp sticks.
>
>Once again. You were wrong about your assertion. Why cant you admit
>it?
Because it's impossible for me to understand such irrational people.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 15:58:47
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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< snip van-DUH-mans BS >
> Because it's impossible for me to understand such irrational people.
I will keep it as simple as I can for you.
1) You made an assertion (Black bears attack to protect cubs)
2) Your assertion was proven to be wrong
http://www.bear.org/Black/Black_Bear_Facts.html
3) I ask a simple question "why cant you admit you were wrong"
Question 1) How is that irrational?
Question 2) Why cant you admit you were wrong?
--
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Date: 15 Sep 2007 01:36:18
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On 14 Sep 2007 15:58:47 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>< snip van-DUH-mans BS>
>
>> Because it's impossible for me to understand such irrational people.
>
>I will keep it as simple as I can for you.
After CONVENIENTLY removing the context, so no one can see just how
STOOPID you are.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
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Date: 17 Sep 2007 13:23:20
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net > wrote in
news:0ndme31b50imv10dq1pfrmn21b8bpl4r17@4ax.com:
> On 14 Sep 2007 15:58:47 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>< snip van-DUH-mans BS>
>>
>>> Because it's impossible for me to understand such irrational people.
>>
>>I will keep it as simple as I can for you.
>
> After CONVENIENTLY removing the context, so no one can see just how
> STOOPID you are.
OK van-DUH-man here is the old thread:
>>>>>>>Mike,
>>>>>>> In the thread "Black bear attacks mountain biker in Washington
>>>>>>> State
>>>>>>>park" your statement that black bears attack to defend their
>>>>>>>young. This assertion was proven wrong by two different people
>>>>>>>using two different lines of reasoning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simply put: You were wrong!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BS. Unless you are a bear, you don't know why they attack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you were wrong then, how can I take anything you write
>>>>>>> seriously??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who is in for a rude awaking?? I think it is all of us.
>>>>>
>>>>>You can stick your head in the sand all you want. Your assertion
>>>>>was proven wrong. Didnt you even read the replies to your stupid
>>>>>statement. I will cut and paste it again for you and all to read
>>>>>once again:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>From a long list of characteristics, the last one listed
>>>>>at <http://www.bear.org/Black/Black_Bear_Facts.html> is
>>>>>
>>>>> Greatest misconception:
>>>>>
>>>>> The greatest misconception about black bears is that
>>>>> they are likely to attack people in defense of cubs.
>>>>> They are highly unlikely to do this.
>>>>
>>>> So they MIGHT do it. QED Can't you read?
>>>
>>>And a meteor MIGHT hit you in the forehead, but alas, it probably
>>>won't. You love to streatch the truth a bit to fit your odd sense of
>>>the world.
>>>
>>>Remember, I am not a mountain biker, therefore; you can not say "Why
>>>Do Mountain Bikers ALWAYS Resort to THREATS AND VIOLENCE?"
>>
>> But you are a mountain biker sympathizer. QED
>
>Nope ! I am a persom who likes to poke the trolls under the bridge
>with sharp sticks.
>
>Once again. You were wrong about your assertion. Why cant you admit
>it?
Because it's impossible for me to understand such irrational people.
Now, please answer the questions
--
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Date: 17 Sep 2007 08:23:53
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On 17 Sep 2007 13:23:20 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net> wrote in
>news:0ndme31b50imv10dq1pfrmn21b8bpl4r17@4ax.com:
>
>> On 14 Sep 2007 15:58:47 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>< snip van-DUH-mans BS>
>>>
>>>> Because it's impossible for me to understand such irrational people.
>>>
>>>I will keep it as simple as I can for you.
>>
>> After CONVENIENTLY removing the context, so no one can see just how
>> STOOPID you are.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>OK van-DUH-man here is the old thread:
>
>>>>>>>>Mike,
>>>>>>>> In the thread "Black bear attacks mountain biker in Washington
>>>>>>>> State
>>>>>>>>park" your statement that black bears attack to defend their
>>>>>>>>young. This assertion was proven wrong by two different people
>>>>>>>>using two different lines of reasoning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Simply put: You were wrong!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BS. Unless you are a bear, you don't know why they attack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you were wrong then, how can I take anything you write
>>>>>>>> seriously??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who is in for a rude awaking?? I think it is all of us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can stick your head in the sand all you want. Your assertion
>>>>>>was proven wrong. Didnt you even read the replies to your stupid
>>>>>>statement. I will cut and paste it again for you and all to read
>>>>>>once again:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>From a long list of characteristics, the last one listed
>>>>>>at <http://www.bear.org/Black/Black_Bear_Facts.html> is
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greatest misconception:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The greatest misconception about black bears is that
>>>>>> they are likely to attack people in defense of cubs.
>>>>>> They are highly unlikely to do this.
>>>>>
>>>>> So they MIGHT do it. QED Can't you read?
>>>>
>>>>And a meteor MIGHT hit you in the forehead, but alas, it probably
>>>>won't. You love to streatch the truth a bit to fit your odd sense of
>>>>the world.
>>>>
>>>>Remember, I am not a mountain biker, therefore; you can not say "Why
>>>>Do Mountain Bikers ALWAYS Resort to THREATS AND VIOLENCE?"
>>>
>>> But you are a mountain biker sympathizer. QED
>>
>>Nope ! I am a persom who likes to poke the trolls under the bridge
>>with sharp sticks.
>>
>>Once again. You were wrong about your assertion. Why cant you admit
>>it?
>
>Because it's impossible for me to understand such irrational people.
Thanks. Now you can understand my answer (on the line above).
>Now, please answer the questions
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Date: 17 Sep 2007 19:43:25
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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>>Now, please answer the questions
You are avoiding answering the question.
Why cant you admit you were wrong??
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 08:11:16
From: Jon
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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newsgroups trimmed:
"Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com > wrote
> Nope ! I am a [person] who likes to poke the trolls under the bridge
> with sharp sticks.
1) the derivation of the term "troll" in newsgroups is related to the
fishing method or trolling rather than the mythical/fairytale characters.
1a) all posts are "trolls", -- it is the topic and quality of the "bait"
combined with the technique of the fisher that differs.
2) the apparent sharpness of "sticks" may be a matter of perspective
3) the inclusion of alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent in this, ahem, "discussion"
of MTB and the V-Man is irrelevant since "everyone knows" recumbents
cannot be ridden "off road". %^) [there's a troll]
Jon
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Date: 15 Sep 2007 01:11:03
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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"Jon" <jonmein@none.non > wrote in message
news:46ea8452$0$16371$88260bb3@news.teranews.com...
> newsgroups trimmed:
>
> "Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Nope ! I am a [person] who likes to poke the trolls under the bridge
>> with sharp sticks.
>
> 1) the derivation of the term "troll" in newsgroups is related to the
> fishing method or trolling rather than the mythical/fairytale characters.
>
> 1a) all posts are "trolls", -- it is the topic and quality of the "bait"
> combined with the technique of the fisher that differs.
>
> 2) the apparent sharpness of "sticks" may be a matter of perspective
>
> 3) the inclusion of alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent in this, ahem, "discussion"
> of MTB and the V-Man is irrelevant since "everyone knows" recumbents
> cannot be ridden "off road". %^) [there's a troll]
Jon, ARBR has died and gone to Hell. I think even the redoubtable Tom
Sherman has left the group. We need all the other cycling groups we can get
here. If and when ARBR ever recovers its former glory (destroyed by the
criminal vandal troll Ed Gin) we can cut lose from all the current
irrelevant trash posting.
By the way, I very much like your comment that all posts are trolls. I have
always thought this myself.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Sep 2007 16:18:53
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:11:16 -0500, "Jon" <jonmein@none.non > wrote:
>newsgroups trimmed:
>
>"Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Nope ! I am a [person] who likes to poke the trolls under the bridge
>> with sharp sticks.
>
>1) the derivation of the term "troll" in newsgroups is related to the
>fishing method or trolling rather than the mythical/fairytale characters.
>
>1a) all posts are "trolls", -- it is the topic and quality of the "bait"
>combined with the technique of the fisher that differs.
>
>2) the apparent sharpness of "sticks" may be a matter of perspective
>
>3) the inclusion of alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent in this, ahem, "discussion"
>of MTB and the V-Man is irrelevant since "everyone knows" recumbents
>cannot be ridden "off road". %^) [there's a troll]
As soon as you say that, someone will want to try it. Human stupidity
is the only thing in the universe that is infinite (Einstein?).
>Jon
>
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 16:08:37
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:00:31 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>On Sep 2, 2:02 pm, "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> "Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1188759094.554520.108320@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> In MikeyWorld, yes. Nobody else gives a flying fuck, which is why
>> >> your Holy Jihad is so funny!
>>
>> > Substitute "bike helmets" for "mountain biker", and this applies
>> > perfectly to Guy Chapman and his helmet crusade. ;-)
>>
>> Smiley noted, but nope. And if you didn't give a flying fuck, you wouldn't
>> keep on about it.
>>
>
>
>By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about Vandeman's
>crusade, right?
You bet he does, but he's too dishonest to admit it!
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 21:03:09
From: Clive George
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote in message
news:1188763231.621809.188800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 2, 2:02 pm, "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>> "Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1188759094.554520.108320@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> In MikeyWorld, yes. Nobody else gives a flying fuck, which is why
>> >> your Holy Jihad is so funny!
>>
>> > Substitute "bike helmets" for "mountain biker", and this applies
>> > perfectly to Guy Chapman and his helmet crusade. ;-)
>>
>> Smiley noted, but nope. And if you didn't give a flying fuck, you
>> wouldn't
>> keep on about it.
>
> By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about Vandeman's
> crusade, right?
He does appear to be being suckered in by it at the moment, yes.
clive
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 16:09:20
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 21:03:09 +0100, "Clive George"
<clive@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk > wrote:
>"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
>news:1188763231.621809.188800@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 2, 2:02 pm, "Clive George" <cl...@xxxx-x.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> "Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:1188759094.554520.108320@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> >> In MikeyWorld, yes. Nobody else gives a flying fuck, which is why
>>> >> your Holy Jihad is so funny!
>>>
>>> > Substitute "bike helmets" for "mountain biker", and this applies
>>> > perfectly to Guy Chapman and his helmet crusade. ;-)
>>>
>>> Smiley noted, but nope. And if you didn't give a flying fuck, you
>>> wouldn't
>>> keep on about it.
>>
>> By your "logic", Chapman must "give a flying fuck" about Vandeman's
>> crusade, right?
>
>He does appear to be being suckered in by it at the moment, yes.
>
>clive
Yes, "suck" is the operative word, isn't it?
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 11:51:34
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sep 2, 1:35 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <u...@ftc.gov > wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:08:10 -0700, Mike Vandeman
> <mjva...@pacbell.net> said in
> <56akd39fc92n9t68n9rfntbbrdri80q...@4ax.com>:
>
> >That's a perfect definition of a mountain biker! Their selfishness is
> >legendary.
>
> In MikeyWorld, yes. Nobody else gives a flying fuck, which is why
> your Holy Jihad is so funny!
>
Substitute "bike helmets" for "mountain biker", and this applies
perfectly to Guy Chapman and his helmet crusade. ;-)
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 16:05:24
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:51:34 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>On Sep 2, 1:35 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:08:10 -0700, Mike Vandeman
>> <mjva...@pacbell.net> said in
>> <56akd39fc92n9t68n9rfntbbrdri80q...@4ax.com>:
>>
>> >That's a perfect definition of a mountain biker! Their selfishness is
>> >legendary.
>>
>> In MikeyWorld, yes. Nobody else gives a flying fuck, which is why
>> your Holy Jihad is so funny!
>>
>
>Substitute "bike helmets" for "mountain biker", and this applies
>perfectly to Guy Chapman and his helmet crusade. ;-)
That's a scream! What the hell does he think he has to protect?!
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 20:02:38
From: Clive George
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
|
"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote in message
news:1188759094.554520.108320@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> In MikeyWorld, yes. Nobody else gives a flying fuck, which is why
>> your Holy Jihad is so funny!
>>
>
> Substitute "bike helmets" for "mountain biker", and this applies
> perfectly to Guy Chapman and his helmet crusade. ;-)
Smiley noted, but nope. And if you didn't give a flying fuck, you wouldn't
keep on about it.
clive
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 15:34:36
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sep 1, 4:56 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <u...@ftc.gov > wrote:
> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:37:32 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
> <1188682652.320511.219...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:
>
> >> >What's a wanker?
> >> One who makes a repellant mess while giving pleasure to none but
> >> himself.
> >IOW, it's Guy Chapman!
>
> So you say.
Chapman grasps the obvious!
> But it's Vandeman who is the sick, perverted poster of
> gleeful death reports, not me.
The subject was "wankers", simpleton; you are a giant amongst wankers.
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 20:14:45
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 15:34:36 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>On Sep 1, 4:56 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:
>> On Sat, 01 Sep 2007 14:37:32 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> said in
>> <1188682652.320511.219...@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>:
>>
>> >> >What's a wanker?
>> >> One who makes a repellant mess while giving pleasure to none but
>> >> himself.
>> >IOW, it's Guy Chapman!
>>
>> So you say.
>
>Chapman grasps the obvious!
>
>
>> But it's Vandeman who is the sick, perverted poster of
>> gleeful death reports, not me.
>
>
>The subject was "wankers", simpleton; you are a giant amongst wankers.
Careful, he'll probably take that the wrong way. :)
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 00:56:50
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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On 29 Aug 2007 17:52:04 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>
>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not
>> stupid like most of them are.
>
>I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
So you are just a mountain-biking defender?
> Chris Foster
>
>>
>> When I was in my 30's I hiked and camped full time for 10 years in
>> natural areas and wilderness in the Western US. What was I doing
>> anyway? I was actually being a pilgrim seeking my roots and my
>> salvation. I am an atheist and have no religion whatsoever. But I find
>> my religion in nature. After all, that is where we came from and that
>> is what we shall return to.
>>
>> When I was hiking I would often pull off the trail and simply worship
>> nature. Tears would come to my eyes as I contemplated the beauty of
>> the natural scene before me. I never encountered a cyclist in all
>> those years. I would encounter a few other hikers of course and a few
>> rare horse parties. But never any cyclists.
>>
>> The English will have to go to northern Scotland to find any kind of
>> wilderness, but the Aussies will find it in their interior deserts. We
>> Americans still have plenty of it left too, but we need to protect it
>> and preserve it at all costs.
>>
>> Mountain bikers are into fun and games. The natural world is nothing
>> but a playground for them. The fact is that there are hundreds of
>> thousands of miles of forestry and fire roads for them to do their
>> thing. I do not ever want them on a hiking trail.
>>
>> Chris Foster is not stupid. He has told me that he is also a hiker and
>> a backpacker. Surely it is not asking too much that bikers confine
>> their activities to whatever roads already exist and to stay off of
>> hiking trails.
>>
>> Mike Vandeman of RBS is a purist and we need types like him. I
>> consider him the world's foremost expert on the damage that mountain
>> bikers do to natural areas and to the human spirit. We do not want to
>> end up in a world where there are no natural areas left for our
>> spirit. Surely, Chris Foster can understand this.
>
>Don't call me Shirley !
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>> PS. I have decided to include the mountain cycling newsgroup in this
>> post since they are enthusiastic about the subject no matter how
>> wrongheaded.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 11:40:32
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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Mike Vandeman <mjvande@pacbell.net > wrote in
news:a5ehd3d2ofj8rnqk7oqjok5drk5j3vsqsn@4ax.com:
> On 29 Aug 2007 17:52:04 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>>news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>>
>>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is
not
>>> stupid like most of them are.
>>
>>I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>>dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>>going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
>
> So you are just a mountain-biking defender?
No! I just like to poke sticks at trolls. You (Vandeman) and ED
(erectile dysfunction) are two of the dumbest trolls around.
>
>> Chris Foster
>>
>>>
>>> When I was in my 30's I hiked and camped full time for 10 years in
>>> natural areas and wilderness in the Western US. What was I doing
>>> anyway? I was actually being a pilgrim seeking my roots and my
>>> salvation. I am an atheist and have no religion whatsoever. But I
find
>>> my religion in nature. After all, that is where we came from and
that
>>> is what we shall return to.
>>>
>>> When I was hiking I would often pull off the trail and simply
worship
>>> nature. Tears would come to my eyes as I contemplated the beauty of
>>> the natural scene before me. I never encountered a cyclist in all
>>> those years. I would encounter a few other hikers of course and a
few
>>> rare horse parties. But never any cyclists.
>>>
>>> The English will have to go to northern Scotland to find any kind of
>>> wilderness, but the Aussies will find it in their interior deserts.
We
>>> Americans still have plenty of it left too, but we need to protect
it
>>> and preserve it at all costs.
>>>
>>> Mountain bikers are into fun and games. The natural world is nothing
>>> but a playground for them. The fact is that there are hundreds of
>>> thousands of miles of forestry and fire roads for them to do their
>>> thing. I do not ever want them on a hiking trail.
>>>
>>> Chris Foster is not stupid. He has told me that he is also a hiker
and
>>> a backpacker. Surely it is not asking too much that bikers confine
>>> their activities to whatever roads already exist and to stay off of
>>> hiking trails.
>>>
>>> Mike Vandeman of RBS is a purist and we need types like him. I
>>> consider him the world's foremost expert on the damage that mountain
>>> bikers do to natural areas and to the human spirit. We do not want
to
>>> end up in a world where there are no natural areas left for our
>>> spirit. Surely, Chris Foster can understand this.
>>
>>Don't call me Shirley !
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>>> aka
>>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>>
>>> PS. I have decided to include the mountain cycling newsgroup in this
>>> post since they are enthusiastic about the subject no matter how
>>> wrongheaded.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 02:32:38
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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"Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:Xns999B8172DF972johnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
> news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>
>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not
>> stupid like most of them are.
>
> I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
> dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
> going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on one
thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural scene and
wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
There are hundreds of thousands of miles of gravel and dirt roads in the US
for mountain bikers to do their thing. We do not want them on hiking trails.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 00:57:59
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 02:32:38 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>
>"Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns999B8172DF972johnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>> news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>>
>>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not
>>> stupid like most of them are.
>>
>> I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>> dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>> going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
>
>Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on one
>thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural scene and
>wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>
>There are hundreds of thousands of miles of gravel and dirt roads in the US
>for mountain bikers to do their thing. We do not want them on hiking trails.
Correction: I don't care if they are on hiking trails. I only care
about BIKES being on hiking trails. BIKES don't belong there.
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 15:42:47
From: =?utf-8?B?4paAU2xhY2s=?=
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:32:38 -0700, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
>
> "Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns999B8172DF972johnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>> news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>>
>>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is not
>>> stupid like most of them are.
>>
>> I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>> dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>> going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
>
> Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers.
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
Don't you have a public restroom to tend?
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 21:16:30
From: Chris
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in
news:0uSdnVlssqFK70vbnZ2dnUVZ_tqtnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>
> "Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns999B8172DF972johnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>> news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>>
>>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is
>>> not stupid like most of them are.
>>
>> I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>> dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>> going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
>
> Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on
> one thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural
> scene and wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>
> There are hundreds of thousands of miles of gravel and dirt roads in
> the US for mountain bikers to do their thing. We do not want them on
> hiking trails.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
Last I checked, this was still a free country! I am allowed to defend them
as you are to attack them
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 01:40:41
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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"Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:Xns999CA41B31Djohnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
> news:0uSdnVlssqFK70vbnZ2dnUVZ_tqtnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>
>>
>> "Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns999B8172DF972johnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>>> news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>>>
>>>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>>>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is
>>>> not stupid like most of them are.
>>>
>>> I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>>> dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>>> going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
>>
>> Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on
>> one thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural
>> scene and wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>>
>> There are hundreds of thousands of miles of gravel and dirt roads in
>> the US for mountain bikers to do their thing. We do not want them on
>> hiking trails.
>
> Last I checked, this was still a free country! I am allowed to defend
> them
> as you are to attack them
But you claimed you are also a hiker and a backpacker. Those activities just
don't compute with cycling on hiking trails. Please consult with a head
shrink as there is something wrong with the way your brain works.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 01:03:16
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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On 30 Aug 2007 21:16:30 GMT, Chris <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>news:0uSdnVlssqFK70vbnZ2dnUVZ_tqtnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>
>>
>> "Chris" <john_foster_in_erie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns999B8172DF972johnfosterinerieyaho@66.150.105.47...
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in
>>> news:XoCdnWQOBNQA-kjbnZ2dnUVZ_uWlnZ2d@prairiewave.com:
>>>
>>>> Chris Foster is one of the most interesting defenders of mountain
>>>> bikers. He is a Ph.D in electrical engineering so that means he is
>>>> not stupid like most of them are.
>>>
>>> I think we had this discussion at one in the past. I am a roadie. I
>>> dont ride a Mountain bike. II dont even own one. Please, if you are
>>> going to attempt to slander me, at least get your facts correct.
>>
>> Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on
>> one thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural
>> scene and wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>>
>> There are hundreds of thousands of miles of gravel and dirt roads in
>> the US for mountain bikers to do their thing. We do not want them on
>> hiking trails.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>>
>
>Last I checked, this was still a free country! I am allowed to defend them
>as you are to attack them
Too bad they are INDEFENSIBLE. Even by you.
--
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Date: 30 Aug 2007 21:09:08
From: Terryc
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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Edward Dolan wrote:
> Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on one
> thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural scene and
> wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
So, should their be a "MTB" season?
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 15:43:16
From: Bill C
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sep 9, 12:39 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <u...@ftc.gov > wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:29 -0700, Mike Vandeman
> <mjva...@pacbell.net> said in
> <n7gmd3tpm0gvi2qjsknjd0muonro8rr...@4ax.com>:
>
> >Double-yawn.
>
> Capitulation noted.
>
> Guy
> --
> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
>
> 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
For someone who claims to be the worlds most excellent genius, or
something like that, Mikey's ability to respond intelligently is
pretty weak. This is understandable in real time conversation, as that
isn't a skill that everyone has, but "yawn" as a cogent response after
given plenty of time for consideration of the discussion, just shows
what he is as a human being.
He's Wiley Coyote, "The Worlds Most Excellent Genius". Just proof
that in many cases PHD stand for "Piled Higher and Deeper".
Anonymous Bill C
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Date: 15 Sep 2007 00:58:08
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:1189377796.658629.261520@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 9, 12:39 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:29 -0700, Mike Vandeman
>> <mjva...@pacbell.net> said in
>> <n7gmd3tpm0gvi2qjsknjd0muonro8rr...@4ax.com>:
>>
>> >Double-yawn.
>>
>> Capitulation noted.
>>
>> Guy
>> --
>> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
>> posting.http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
>>
>> 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
>
> For someone who claims to be the worlds most excellent genius, or
> something like that, Mikey's ability to respond intelligently is
> pretty weak. This is understandable in real time conversation, as that
> isn't a skill that everyone has, but "yawn" as a cogent response after
> given plenty of time for consideration of the discussion, just shows
> what he is as a human being.
> He's Wiley Coyote, "The Worlds Most Excellent Genius". Just proof
> that in many cases PHD stand for "Piled Higher and Deeper".
> Anonymous Bill C
Mr. Vandeman is quite right to treat cretins like you with just one or two
words. Why waste words on idiots.
I have learned much from Mr. Vandeman myself. In the past I was far too
tolerant of idiots. From now on I will treat them with the contempt they so
richly deserve.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Sep 2007 08:21:56
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:58:08 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>
>"Bill C" <tritonrider@verizon.net> wrote in message
>news:1189377796.658629.261520@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 9, 12:39 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:29 -0700, Mike Vandeman
>>> <mjva...@pacbell.net> said in
>>> <n7gmd3tpm0gvi2qjsknjd0muonro8rr...@4ax.com>:
>>>
>>> >Double-yawn.
>>>
>>> Capitulation noted.
>>>
>>> Guy
>>> --
>>> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
>>> posting.http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
>>>
>>> 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
>>
>> For someone who claims to be the worlds most excellent genius, or
>> something like that, Mikey's ability to respond intelligently is
>> pretty weak. This is understandable in real time conversation, as that
>> isn't a skill that everyone has, but "yawn" as a cogent response after
>> given plenty of time for consideration of the discussion, just shows
>> what he is as a human being.
>> He's Wiley Coyote, "The Worlds Most Excellent Genius". Just proof
>> that in many cases PHD stand for "Piled Higher and Deeper".
>> Anonymous Bill C
>
>Mr. Vandeman is quite right to treat cretins like you with just one or two
>words. Why waste words on idiots.
AMEN! Ed, you are an inspiration for thinking people everywhere. Have
you read Emerson's essay on self-reliance? I think you would like it.
It's you.
>I have learned much from Mr. Vandeman myself. In the past I was far too
>tolerant of idiots. From now on I will treat them with the contempt they so
>richly deserve.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 03:30:20
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Why Does Vandeman ALWAYS Resort to INVENTING THREATS AND VIOLENCE?
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:43:16 -0700, Bill C <tritonrider@verizon.net >
wrote:
>On Sep 9, 12:39 pm, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <u...@ftc.gov> wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:02:29 -0700, Mike Vandeman
>> <mjva...@pacbell.net> said in
>> <n7gmd3tpm0gvi2qjsknjd0muonro8rr...@4ax.com>:
>>
>> >Double-yawn.
>>
>> Capitulation noted.
>>
>> Guy
>> --
>> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
>>
>> 85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
>
>For someone who claims to be the worlds most excellent genius, or
>something like that, Mikey's ability to respond intelligently is
>pretty weak. This is understandable in real time conversation, as that
>isn't a skill that everyone has, but "yawn" as a cogent response after
>given plenty of time for consideration of the discussion, just shows
>what he is as a human being.
> He's Wiley Coyote, "The Worlds Most Excellent Genius". Just proof
>that in many cases PHD stand for "Piled Higher and Deeper".
>Anonymous Bill C
Anyone unwilling to give his real name isn't worth listening to,
OBVIOUSLY.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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Date: 01 Sep 2007 00:58:34
From: Mike Vandeman
Subject: Re: Cycling in naure and the wilderness
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:09:08 +1000, Terryc
<newsthreespam-spam@woa.com.au > wrote:
>Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> Then do not defend cretinous mountain bikers. They are only bent on one
>> thing - their own 'fun' and consequently destroying the natural scene and
>> wilderness for hikers and backpackers like us.
>
>So, should their be a "MTB" season?
On pavement, yes: year round.
--
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!
http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
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