| |
Main
Date: 30 May 2007 19:44:12
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Ed, Why aren't you out on your bike?
|
Hello Ed,
Even where you live the weather must be getting nice. As someone who still
can, why don't you go on a bike ride for your old pal Jeff and leave the
ng's alone?
If I could still ride I'd be out there everyday and I'd come home too tired
to even think about posting to an ng.
Why don't you leave the posting to people like me who can't ride anymore?
To put it in the President's language, "I'll stand up if you stand down!"
All of my posts will be on topic. There's plenty of stuff to talk about and
I'm just the guy who can find it.
Give the off topic and cross posting stuff a rest, go for a ride, and be
glad that you still can.
Jeff
|
|
| |
Date: 10 Jun 2007 02:44:15
From: Tom Keats
Subject: Re: Ed, Why aren't you out on your bike?
|
In article <TbCdneaazru8tMLbnZ2dnUVZ_uSgnZ2d@prairiewave.com >,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > writes:
> I still do go out for about one hour a day. That seems about all my mental
> and physical constitution will stand these days.
Weakling. How can you stand yourself?
> The fact is that I am
> getting old and that means tired and cranky. Don't you just hate old men who
> are mellow and full of love and kindness for their fellow creatures. You
> need never fear that I will turn into that kind of marshmallow.
Yeah, they all seem to look like Barry Morse or Bertrand Russel, with
that insincere up-looking, shit-eating grin, with remnants of long
hair encircling a balding scalp and cascading affectaciously over
the back of the collar, and looking oh so intellectual. Like the
guy that Alex kicked the shit out of in Clockwork Orange.
> I am going to RBM an dragging some of those threads over to ARBR because we
> need some stimulation here. The nuts and bolts of recumbency are not
> sufficient for an intellectual like myself. We need a little something extra
> and I am here to make sure that we get it.
After your recent posting frenzy it seems the Irish Breakfast Whiskey
has taken its toll on you -- you've become uncharacteristically quiet.
But at least you're thankfully not reciting that horrid so-called
poetry of the Lovesick Bird of Alfred Hitchcock by T.S. Idiot, or
whatever it's called.
> There is no harm done to ARBR as long as we keep our sense of humor about
> all of this. ARBR is just too small to survive without a bit of external
> input. When I am done with RBM I will go to the English and Australian
> cycling groups and I will screw with them too. ARBR is just so lucky to have
> me here!
Dogs need fleas, too. They don't need worms, though.
cheers from a secular Jewish Humanist, you insufferable blockhead,
Tom
--
Nothing is safe from me.
Above address is just a spam midden.
I'm really at: tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca
|
| | |
Date: 12 Jun 2007 04:06:29
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Ed, Why aren't you out on your bike?
|
"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:f5hg4f.4m.ln@bud.garden.local...
> In article <TbCdneaazru8tMLbnZ2dnUVZ_uSgnZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> writes:
>
>> I still do go out for about one hour a day. That seems about all my
>> mental
>> and physical constitution will stand these days.
>
> Weakling. How can you stand yourself?
It is all about age and nothing else. Get back to me when you are 70 years
old.
>> The fact is that I am
>> getting old and that means tired and cranky. Don't you just hate old men
>> who
>> are mellow and full of love and kindness for their fellow creatures. You
>> need never fear that I will turn into that kind of marshmallow.
>
> Yeah, they all seem to look like Barry Morse or Bertrand Russel, with
> that insincere up-looking, shit-eating grin, with remnants of long
> hair encircling a balding scalp and cascading affectaciously over
> the back of the collar, and looking oh so intellectual. Like the
> guy that Alex kicked the shit out of in Clockwork Orange.
I would never vote for anyone for high political office much beyond the age
of 65 (McCain is an old fool and does not know his ass from a hole in the
ground). Old men need to know their place. By the way, you are old by the
age of 65 regardless of what you might think to the contrary.
>> I am going to RBM an dragging some of those threads over to ARBR because
>> we
>> need some stimulation here. The nuts and bolts of recumbency are not
>> sufficient for an intellectual like myself. We need a little something
>> extra
>> and I am here to make sure that we get it.
>
> After your recent posting frenzy it seems the Irish Breakfast Whiskey
> has taken its toll on you -- you've become uncharacteristically quiet.
> But at least you're thankfully not reciting that horrid so-called
> poetry of the Lovesick Bird of Alfred Hitchcock by T.S. Idiot, or
> whatever it's called.
I will only look in on these freaking cycling newsgroups about once a week.
Any more than that and I would go insane.
But T.S. Elliot is not horrid. He is the poet for our times. Western
civilization is in decline. If it weren't for America, it would all be over
by now and you would be kissing Muslim ass. I urge you to read his entire
opus. But barring that , here is one of his very greatest poems for you to
re-read and ponder deeply:
T.S. Eliot (1888-1965). Prufrock and Other Observations. 1917.
1. The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
S'io credesse che mia risposta fosse
A persona che mai tornasse al mondo,
Questa fiamma staria senza piu scosse.
Ma perciocche giammai di questo fondo
Non torno vivo alcun, s'i'odo il vero,
Senza tema d'infamia ti rispondo.
LET us go then, you and I,
When the evening is spread out against the sky
Like a patient etherised upon a table;
Let us go, through certain half-deserted streets,
The muttering retreats 5
Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels
And sawdust restaurants with oyster-shells:
Streets that follow like a tedious argument
Of insidious intent
To lead you to an overwhelming question . 10
Oh, do not ask, "What is it?"
Let us go and make our visit.
In the room the women come and go
Talking of Michelangelo.
The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the window-panes, 15
The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes
Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening,
Lingered upon the pools that stand in drains,
Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from chimneys,
Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap, 20
And seeing that it was a soft October night,
Curled once about the house, and fell asleep.
And indeed there will be time
For the yellow smoke that slides along the street,
Rubbing its back upon the window-panes; 25
There will be time, there will be time
To prepare a face to meet the faces that you meet;
There will be time to murder and create,
And time for all the works and days of hands
That lift and drop a question on your plate; 30
Time for you and time for me,
And time yet for a hundred indecisions,
And for a hundred visions and revisions,
Before the taking of a toast and tea.
In the room the women come and go 35
Talking of Michelangelo.
And indeed there will be time
To wonder, "Do I dare?" and, "Do I dare?"
Time to turn back and descend the stair,
With a bald spot in the middle of my hair- 40
[They will say: "How his hair is growing thin!"]
My morning coat, my collar mounting firmly to the chin,
My necktie rich and modest, but asserted by a simple pin-
[They will say: "But how his arms and legs are thin!"]
Do I dare 45
Disturb the universe?
In a minute there is time
For decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse.
For I have known them all already, known them all:-
Have known the evenings, mornings, afternoons, 50
I have measured out my life with coffee spoons;
I know the voices dying with a dying fall
Beneath the music from a farther room.
So how should I presume?
And I have known the eyes already, known them all- 55
The eyes that fix you in a formulated phrase,
And when I am formulated, sprawling on a pin,
When I am pinned and wriggling on the wall,
Then how should I begin
To spit out all the butt-ends of my days and ways? 60
And how should I presume?
And I have known the arms already, known them all-
Arms that are braceleted and white and bare
[But in the lamplight, downed with light brown hair!]
It is perfume from a dress 65
That makes me so digress?
Arms that lie along a table, or wrap about a shawl.
And should I then presume?
And how should I begin?
. . . . .
Shall I say, I have gone at dusk through narrow streets 70
And watched the smoke that rises from the pipes
Of lonely men in shirt-sleeves, leaning out of windows?.
I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas.
. . . . .
And the afternoon, the evening, sleeps so peacefully! 75
Smoothed by long fingers,
Asleep . tired . or it malingers,
Stretched on the floor, here beside you and me.
Should I, after tea and cakes and ices,
Have the strength to force the moment to its crisis? 80
But though I have wept and fasted, wept and prayed,
Though I have seen my head [grown slightly bald] brought in upon a platter,
I am no prophet-and here's no great matter;
I have seen the moment of my greatness flicker,
And I have seen the eternal Footman hold my coat, and snicker, 85
And in short, I was afraid.
And would it have been worth it, after all,
After the cups, the marmalade, the tea,
Among the porcelain, among some talk of you and me,
Would it have been worth while, 90
To have bitten off the matter with a smile,
To have squeezed the universe into a ball
To roll it toward some overwhelming question,
To say: "I am Lazarus, come from the dead,
Come back to tell you all, I shall tell you all"- 95
If one, settling a pillow by her head,
Should say: "That is not what I meant at all.
That is not it, at all."
And would it have been worth it, after all,
Would it have been worth while, 100
After the sunsets and the dooryards and the sprinkled streets,
After the novels, after the teacups, after the skirts that trail along the
floor-
And this, and so much more?-
It is impossible to say just what I mean!
But as if a magic lantern threw the nerves in patterns on a screen:
105
Would it have been worth while
If one, settling a pillow or throwing off a shawl,
And turning toward the window, should say:
"That is not it at all,
That is not what I meant, at all."
. . . . . 110
No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
Am an attendant lord, one that will do
To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
Deferential, glad to be of use, 115
Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
Almost, at times, the Fool.
I grow old . I grow old . 120
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.
Shall I part my hair behind? Do I dare to eat a peach?
I shall wear white flannel trousers, and walk upon the beach.
I have heard the mermaids singing, each to each.
I do not think that they will sing to me. 125
I have seen them riding seaward on the waves
Combing the white hair of the waves blown back
When the wind blows the water white and black.
We have lingered in the chambers of the sea
By sea-girls wreathed with seaweed red and brown 130
Till human voices wake us, and we drown.
[...]
> cheers from a secular Jewish Humanist, you insufferable blockhead,
> Tom
Jews are not allowed to be secularists. That is reserved for Irish Catholics
like myself.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
|
| |
Date: 31 May 2007 17:40:49
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Ed, Why aren't you out on your bike?
|
On May 31, 2:59 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
>
> PS. Why can't you [Jeff Grippe] ride anymore? Surely you could go out for 1 hour a day
> like I do? Just poke about. You don't have to go fast. That is for teenagers
> and other severely mentally deprived souls.
Yo Eddie,
The answer is in one of your own posts: <http://groups.google.com/
group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/68682f727945e0fa?
dmode=source&hl=en >.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
|
| | |
Date: 31 May 2007 21:40:30
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Ed, Why aren't you out on your bike?
|
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1180658449.569661.173290@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On May 31, 2:59 pm, Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
>>
>> PS. Why can't you [Jeff Grippe] ride anymore? Surely you could go out for
>> 1 hour a day
>> like I do? Just poke about. You don't have to go fast. That is for
>> teenagers
>> and other severely mentally deprived souls.
>
> Yo Eddie,
>
> The answer is in one of your own posts: <http://groups.google.com/
> group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/68682f727945e0fa?
> dmode=source&hl=en>.
I recall of course, but I did not think his injuries were as serious or as
long-lasting as they are proving to be.
Jeff Grippe was generous for sharing his accident experience with this
newsgroup. We can all learn something ourselves from it. The main thing I
learned is to get out of dense urban traffic even if you have to take to the
sidewalks. You are just asking for trouble if you don't. Thanks Jeff!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
|
| |
Date: 31 May 2007 14:59:20
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Ed, Why aren't you out on your bike?
|
"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message
news:135s2v0m7ed6a3c@news.supernews.com...
> Hello Ed,
>
> Even where you live the weather must be getting nice. As someone who still
> can, why don't you go on a bike ride for your old pal Jeff and leave the
> ng's alone?
>
> If I could still ride I'd be out there everyday and I'd come home too
> tired to even think about posting to an ng.
>
> Why don't you leave the posting to people like me who can't ride anymore?
>
> To put it in the President's language, "I'll stand up if you stand down!"
>
> All of my posts will be on topic. There's plenty of stuff to talk about
> and I'm just the guy who can find it.
>
> Give the off topic and cross posting stuff a rest, go for a ride, and be
> glad that you still can.
Hi Jeff,
I still do go out for about one hour a day. That seems about all my mental
and physical constitution will stand these days. The fact is that I am
getting old and that means tired and cranky. Don't you just hate old men who
are mellow and full of love and kindness for their fellow creatures. You
need never fear that I will turn into that kind of marshmallow.
I am going to RBM an dragging some of those threads over to ARBR because we
need some stimulation here. The nuts and bolts of recumbency are not
sufficient for an intellectual like myself. We need a little something extra
and I am here to make sure that we get it.
There is no harm done to ARBR as long as we keep our sense of humor about
all of this. ARBR is just too small to survive without a bit of external
input. When I am done with RBM I will go to the English and Australian
cycling groups and I will screw with them too. ARBR is just so lucky to have
me here!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
PS. Why can't you ride anymore? Surely you could go out for 1 hour a day
like I do? Just poke about. You don't have to go fast. That is for teenagers
and other severely mentally deprived souls.
|
| | |
Date: 31 May 2007 20:40:36
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Ed, Why aren't you out on your bike?
|
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:TbCdneaazru8tMLbnZ2dnUVZ_uSgnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
> PS. Why can't you ride anymore? Surely you could go out for 1 hour a day
> like I do? Just poke about. You don't have to go fast. That is for
> teenagers and other severely mentally deprived souls.
I never was into going fast. That isn't the issue.
First of all, I don't feel safe riding where I live anymore. I won't do it.
In order to ride I would need to travel to a rail trail which means it has
become an activity that would be limited to vacations BUT...
My spinal cord injury has left me with a most unpleasant after effect called
"clonus". What happens is that my foot and ankle begin to shake
uncontrollably when pressure is applied to the foot at exactly the spot that
the pedal usually would hit. There is probably the option of having some
sort of custom pedal made that would change the point of contact BUT...
I'm still fighting the fight with lower back pain (which, in spite of my
weight, I did not have before the accident).
In short, at the moment, riding is no longer the pleasure that it once was.
I'm working on the problems that are keeping me from riding but it is going
to be a while before I can ride regularly again.
I'd love to get out for an hour a day and there may come a point in the
future when that can happen. I've already told my wife that once my son
graduates from college (7-8 years from now as he is just turning 14), I
would like to move somewhere along the GAP (the rail trail that runs from
Pittsburgh to Washington DC. Then I could ride frequently assuming I've been
able to get the other problems under control.
Thanks for asking.
Jeff
|
| | | |
Date: 01 Jun 2007 06:36:52
From: Jon
Subject: Re: Ed, Why aren't you out on your bike?
|
"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote
> My spinal cord injury has left me with a most unpleasant after effect
> called "clonus". What happens is that my foot and ankle begin to shake
> uncontrollably when pressure is applied to the foot at exactly the spot
> that the pedal usually would hit. There is probably the option of having
> some sort of custom pedal made that would change the point of contact
> BUT...
I hope you are getting medical advice from someone who *understands
that you want to cycle again*.
I didn't have "clonus" symptoms, but did have unilateral nerve damage
from a herniate disc that resulted in 70% loss of muscle control in
one ankle. A good physical therapist helped me with targeted exercises
and "positions" to recover probably 95% of strength and control.
> I'm still fighting the fight with lower back pain (which, in spite of my
> weight, I did not have before the accident).
My PT told me that effect from spinal injuries and some treatments
can "migrate". My GP said I would need surgery to recover. PT
said surgery for my injury would likely address the problem but also
might shift the symptom up or down. Perhaps your T8 vertabrae
break and cord injury put more stress on your lumbar spine which
might account for the low back pain and ankle "clonus". Surely
your MD or PT has addressed this, but if not, don't let them off
the hook.
My experience is, if you are motivated, good physical therapy can
help with lower back pain.
Good luck.
Jon Meinecke
|
| | | | |
Date: 02 Jun 2007 12:04:02
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Ed, Why aren't you out on your bike?
|
"Jon" <jonmein@none.non > wrote in message
news:46600195$0$9268$88260bb3@news.teranews.com...
> I hope you are getting medical advice from someone who *understands
> that you want to cycle again*.
The docs I am working with do understand that I want to return to a level of
athletic ability that is similar to what I had before the accident. I'm
going to reach for whatever I can get.
> My PT told me that effect from spinal injuries and some treatments
> can "migrate". My GP said I would need surgery to recover. PT
> said surgery for my injury would likely address the problem but also
> might shift the symptom up or down. Perhaps your T8 vertabrae
> break and cord injury put more stress on your lumbar spine which
> might account for the low back pain and ankle "clonus". Surely
> your MD or PT has addressed this, but if not, don't let them off
> the hook.
There is no doubt that the T6-T10 fusion that I have is putting stress on
whatever is above and below. I gather from the docs I've talked to that many
people with this type of fusion end up needing more fusion down the road. If
I knew what I know now I would talk to the surgeon about less (or even none)
fusion and longer immobility to allow the broken vertebrae to heal. It is
too late to make that decision now, however.
I'm going to continue to work toward being athletic with the full
understanding that it may put additional stress on my back now that will
require more surgery later. I'm willing to assume that risk. I don't want to
give up these years to this injury.
Thanks for all your encouragement and feedback.
Jeff
|
| | | |
Date: 31 May 2007 21:31:10
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Ed, Why aren't you out on your bike?
|
"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message
news:135uqkrn1itgd12@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:TbCdneaazru8tMLbnZ2dnUVZ_uSgnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
>> PS. Why can't you ride anymore? Surely you could go out for 1 hour a day
>> like I do? Just poke about. You don't have to go fast. That is for
>> teenagers and other severely mentally deprived souls.
>
> I never was into going fast. That isn't the issue.
>
> First of all, I don't feel safe riding where I live anymore. I won't do
> it. In order to ride I would need to travel to a rail trail which means it
> has become an activity that would be limited to vacations BUT...
>
> My spinal cord injury has left me with a most unpleasant after effect
> called "clonus". What happens is that my foot and ankle begin to shake
> uncontrollably when pressure is applied to the foot at exactly the spot
> that the pedal usually would hit. There is probably the option of having
> some sort of custom pedal made that would change the point of contact
> BUT...
>
> I'm still fighting the fight with lower back pain (which, in spite of my
> weight, I did not have before the accident).
>
> In short, at the moment, riding is no longer the pleasure that it once
> was. I'm working on the problems that are keeping me from riding but it is
> going to be a while before I can ride regularly again.
>
> I'd love to get out for an hour a day and there may come a point in the
> future when that can happen. I've already told my wife that once my son
> graduates from college (7-8 years from now as he is just turning 14), I
> would like to move somewhere along the GAP (the rail trail that runs from
> Pittsburgh to Washington DC. Then I could ride frequently assuming I've
> been able to get the other problems under control.
>
> Thanks for asking.
Your injuries from your accident appear more serious that I had at first
thought.
It is hard for me to imagine that you could not find a safe place to ride
your bike somewhere in your neighborhood. But maybe that comes from small
town living most of my life.
It s has been my observation that most folks, even those who are
enthusiasts, only ride their bikes for about 10 years or so and then go on
to other things. However, it is no fun to ride a bike if you are hurting. It
may be that you will have to give up cycling for good. There are many other
things you can do that will give you pleasure just like cycling did. I think
I would start searching for those other things if I were you.
Best Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
|
| | | | |
Date: 01 Jun 2007 05:38:11
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Ed, Why aren't you out on your bike?
|
> Your injuries from your accident appear more serious that I had at first
> thought.
>
I don't know what you thought but briefly, I broke T8 (in my back) and my
spinal cord was injured at that spot in my back. My lower back also appears
to have been effected. It is the spinal cord injury that causes the problems
that make it difficult to ride.
> It is hard for me to imagine that you could not find a safe place to ride
> your bike somewhere in your neighborhood. But maybe that comes from small
> town living most of my life.
>
White Plains isn't NYC but it is still a city. I have to go 4 miles from
home to get to a "path" that is free from cars. The route to that path is
the same one I used to take when I was riding so I would consider it a risk.
My retirement plans include moving to a small town somewhere along the GAP.
If I move 30 min to 1 hour away (by car) from either Pittsburgh, Baltimore,
or Washington DC then I can still have access to the cultural pleasures of a
city while having access to riding.
> It s has been my observation that most folks, even those who are
> enthusiasts, only ride their bikes for about 10 years or so and then go on
> to other things. However, it is no fun to ride a bike if you are hurting.
> It may be that you will have to give up cycling for good. There are many
> other things you can do that will give you pleasure just like cycling did.
> I think I would start searching for those other things if I were you.
>
I got my first bike as an adult in 1983. It was love at first ride. It was
in the late 80's that I got my first recumbent (the Infinity) and that too
was a pleasure. I'm going to do what it takes to repair my body and find a
way to cycle again. It won't be the same but that is ok. I think that with
time it can return to being pleasurable. Going back to the 80's, my three
sports have been cycling, cross country skiing, and martial arts. I think
the only one I'm going to have to give up is the skiing although it might be
perfectly safe on a rail trail where there are no hills. We'll see.
Thanks for your concern and for giving me a chance to put some of this into
writing. It helps.
Regards,
Jeff
|
|
