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Date: 18 Oct 2005 06:46:58
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: General tire issue, major hassle
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Getting tires onto and off of the rims on my Volae is a
major production. Two different brands of tires, the
original Contis and replacement Kendas are just very
tight.
I purchased a Crank Brothers Speed Lever tool and
used it according to directions, including lubricating the
tire bead. Not much help,-- it tends to bind and not
slide and I'm reluctant to force it lest it break or damage
the tire.
Any one have trade secrets or incantations for handling
tight tires installation and removal? Is the rims, the
tires, or just me? %^P
Thanks,
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 24 Oct 2005 19:16:59
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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Jon Meinecke wrote:
> ...
> The same cannot be said for 20" variants. This 406 vs 451 distinction
> is "Greek" to most LBS....
One must also be careful when purchasing "16" tires and tubes. Many
local bicycle store (LBS) clerks will bring out an ISO 349-mm tire or
tube when an ISO 305-mm size is requested (or vice versa). Fortunately,
the proprietor of my semi-local bike store [1] knows the difference.
> In my case, no, I am not trying to install 559 tires on 571 rims. Two
> different brands of 23-571, both tight fits... Suggestions on how
> to deal with this?...
Impractical suggestion No. 1:
Heat the tire and freeze the rim.
Impractical suggestion No. 2:
Open the rim at the joint, remove a small amount of material, and then
rejoin the ends.
On a more serious note, you could have rims that are at the large end
of the normal variation in bead seat diameter from the design value. In
this case, you may have to find tires that have a slightly larger than
normal bead diameter (expensive and time consuming).
Depending on construction, some tires may become easier to
mount/dismount due to bead elongation if the procedure is repeated
several times. However, this would also be time consuming.
A bike shop owner who mechanical ability I respect (having observed him
work) suggests lubricating the rim with Pledge. [2]
My literary hero, G. Daniels has this suggestion: [3].
> ...
> If one doesn't know the term 650c, it would hard to buy
> 571 tires at many local and web bike shops....
This is why we need a world government to enforce consistent labeling
and standardization of component sizes and interchangeability. ;)
[1] <http://thebikerack.com/site/intro.cfm >.
[2]
<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/browse_frm/thread/230dd73fbc91c84b/6bd405700d40e98a?q=diy+tire+&rnum=4&hl=en#6bd405700d40e98a >.
[3]
<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech/msg/d02ef5dd288631c5?dmode=source&hl=en >.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
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Date: 26 Oct 2005 06:48:16
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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"Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote
>
> Depending on construction, some tires may become easier to
> mount/dismount due to bead elongation if the procedure is repeated
> several times. However, this would also be time consuming.
Ah, a bead stretcher. Perhaps something Rube Goldbergish.
> My literary hero, G. Daniels has this suggestion: [3].
I see he's hidden a reference to your preference for certain orphans.
One thing to be said: learning how to use the tools may be more
important than learning how to change the tire before the sun sets.
Makes me think how undignified the bike looks wheel-less and
sprawled beside the road. The two-legged kickstand on the
Tour Easy avoids this indignity, of course.
> This is why we need a world government to enforce consistent labeling
> and standardization of component sizes and interchangeability. ;)
The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so
many to chose among.
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 22 Oct 2005 21:50:00
From: Jeff Wills
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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gotbent wrote:
> I think if the rim strip is the correct width, the thickness shouldn't make
> much difference. The rim tape just keeps the tube from extruding itself into
> the spoke ends and IIRC from some cross section drawings I've seen, the bead
> shouldn't contact the tape at all.
Take tire off a rim and look inside. On a narrow rim (18 to 20mm
between the beads) the spoke hole is big enough to necessitate a rim
strip that covers the rim bed from one rim wall to the other. The
tire's going to contact the rim strip sometime, particularly when the
tube is deflated.
Jeff
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Date: 23 Oct 2005 08:21:44
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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"Jeff Wills" <jwills@pacifier.com > wrote in message
news:1130043000.786154.307990@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> gotbent wrote:
>> I think if the rim strip is the correct width, the thickness shouldn't
>> make
>> much difference. The rim tape just keeps the tube from extruding itself
>> into
>> the spoke ends and IIRC from some cross section drawings I've seen, the
>> bead
>> shouldn't contact the tape at all.
>
> Take tire off a rim and look inside. On a narrow rim (18 to 20mm
> between the beads) the spoke hole is big enough to necessitate a rim
> strip that covers the rim bed from one rim wall to the other. The
> tire's going to contact the rim strip sometime, particularly when the
> tube is deflated.
>
> Jeff
>
Getting a tight tire on a rim is still a matter of applying enough force and
a Koolstop tire bead jack will do quite nicely when you get old and decrepit
like me. I keep one in my on-road kit. If I carry a pump, spare tubes, and a
patch kit, I have a tire bead jack in the pannier too. I haven't been able
to install Stelvios or Conti GPs on Alex DA16 rims with just finger force.
So if you're a strong gorilla type than you can save ten bucks and a few
ounces; I'm not.
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Date: 24 Oct 2005 08:06:58
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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"gotbent" <gofast@golow.com > wrote
>
> Getting a tight tire on a rim is still a matter of applying enough force
and
> a Koolstop tire bead jack will do quite nicely
I have the Crank Bros speed lever tool. I will have to look for the
Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack. Info at http://www.koolstop.com/Accessories/
says:
Will pull the tightest of tire beads over a rim without causing
any damage to tube, tire or rim
Sounds great, have to see how well it performs.
Thanks,
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 24 Oct 2005 21:46:32
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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"Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:1130159027.48010b1b02d25c881bc93e96fd73b879@teranews...
> "gotbent" <gofast@golow.com> wrote
>>
>> Getting a tight tire on a rim is still a matter of applying enough force
> and
>> a Koolstop tire bead jack will do quite nicely
>
> I have the Crank Bros speed lever tool. I will have to look for the
> Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack. Info at http://www.koolstop.com/Accessories/
> says:
>
> Will pull the tightest of tire beads over a rim without causing
> any damage to tube, tire or rim
>
> Sounds great, have to see how well it performs.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon Meinecke
>
>
Just don't use the tool by locating it at the center of the chord line.
Start prying near the ends of the chord and the tire will ease itself onto
the rim with practically no effort.
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Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:56:41
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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Victor Kan wrote:
> ...
> Personally, I'd prefer to have a common wheel size in my fleet, but it's
> already too late for me.
>
> I've got bikes/trikes with 622/451, 406/406/406, 622/622, 571/571,
> 559/559. Why not throw a 584/584 in there? :-)...
I have been considering have a custom lowracer built with dual ISO
203-mm wheels. ;) Unfortunately, there are not any appropriate tires
available in this size (unlike ISO 305-mm).
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Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
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Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:51:17
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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Jon Meinecke wrote:
> "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote
> >
> > The funny part is I hadn't had a flat in over a year and a half and to
> date
> > any flat I have had has been within 1 mile of my home or truck, never been
> > nailed yet out in the middle of nowhere
>
> Captors of free air, beware. The P*nct*re Fairy is vain and
> capricious. She is planter of goatheads and p*nct*re vine,
> scatterer of glass and road debris, in league with the demon
> steel-belted-tire-wire gremlin.
>
> She is ever wont to thwart our best pneumatic intentions.
> Slowly and subtlety or suddenly, explosively, she has her ways.
> Appeasement is not possible, though many practice certain
> secret rites with incantations in Italian and offerings of Kevlar,
> Slime, and endless patching.
Oddly enough, I have had only two (2) punctures in the last five (5)
years. However, I have had three (3) flats due to leaking valves (two
(2) Schrader, one (1) Presta), four (4) flats from tears in tubes, and
one (1) flat from a herniated tire (due to excessive wear).
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
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Date: 22 Oct 2005 15:45:07
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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Jon Meinecke wrote:
> ...
> Actually, they are 650c rims/tires. Velocity Uriel wheels and
> Conti Gatorskin tires as well as Kenda Koncept tires. Tires
> are narrow (23) as are rims.
While the bead seat diameter may be the same as a 650C tire, i.e.
571-mm, it is not a true 650C wheel/tire combination unless the rolling
diameter is actually 650-mm. For 23-mm width tires, the rolling
diameter will be considerably less than 650-mm.
To avoid this error, refer to the tire size by its ISO designation,
i.e. 23-571, and to the rim as a 571-mm size.
Pedantically yours,
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
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Date: 24 Oct 2005 08:36:04
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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"Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic"
>
> Jon Meinecke wrote:
> > ...
> > Actually, they are 650c rims/tires. Velocity Uriel wheels and
> > Conti Gatorskin tires as well as Kenda Koncept tires. Tires
> > are narrow (23) as are rims.
>
> While the bead seat diameter may be the same as a 650C tire, i.e.
> 571-mm, it is not a true 650C wheel/tire combination unless the rolling
> diameter is actually 650-mm. For 23-mm width tires, the rolling
> diameter will be considerably less than 650-mm.
As far as I know, today 23-571 is the most common 650c
tire width. I have no idea historically what tire width measured
650-mm.
> To avoid this error, refer to the tire size by its ISO designation,
> i.e. 23-571, and to the rim as a 571-mm size.
While confusion between 20" rims/tires (406/451) may be common,
confusion between 650c(571) and other "26 inch" rim/tires is less so.
Perhaps that is because some triathlon, time trial, and small road bikes
use 571 size rims. These are keted as 650c wheels. Bike owners
and bike shop owners know the difference whether they know 571
or not.
The same cannot be said for 20" variants. This 406 vs 451 distinction
is "Greek" to most LBS.
In my case, no, I am not trying to install 559 tires on 571 rims. Two
different brands of 23-571, both tight fits... Suggestions on how
to deal with this?
> Pedantically yours,
Do you ask for H20 or dihydrogen monoxide? [ www.dhmo.org/ ]
When Googling for tire choices, use of the parochial terms are
as much as 39,900 to 674 times more productive. "650 x 23"
is in fact how they are listed for sale on that frequently cited and
popularly authoritative site for discussion of bicycle tire sizing
associated with Sheldon "ISO/E.T.R.T.O." Brown.
If one doesn't know the term 650c, it would hard to buy
571 tires at many local and web bike shops.
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 25 Oct 2005 00:00:15
From: Victor Kan
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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Jon Meinecke wrote:
> If one doesn't know the term 650c, it would hard to buy
> 571 tires at many local and web bike shops.
One mitigating factor I've found when shopping for "unusual" sized tires
is that regardless of what the bike shop folks know or don't know, or
what a web site lists or doesn't list, or what a tire's fancy color
label says (e.g. the confusion Continental introduces into the de facto
inch sizing conventions every one else uses), far more often than not
the ISO/ETRTO size is molded into the side wall of the tire and/or is
printed on the label somewhere.
Whatever somebody who doesn't really know the answer thinks, looking at
the tire in hand for that ISO/ETRTO size is pretty much definitive.
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Date: 19 Oct 2005 09:24:25
From: Jeff Wills
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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Jon Meinecke wrote:
> Getting tires onto and off of the rims on my Volae is a
> major production. Two different brands of tires, the
> original Contis and replacement Kendas are just very
> tight.
>
Jon- it's not the tires or the rims- it's the rim strips. When you're
removing or installing a tire, the bead needs to go to the center of
the rim, where its diameter is smaller, so you can pull the bead over
the edge of the rim. If you've got a thick cloth rim strip in there, it
will make the diameter too large to get the bead off or on the rim
easily. A thin plastic rimstrip or Velocity's Veloplugs should help, or
in extreme cases you can substitute two or three layers of
fiberglass-reinforced straping tape.
A few years ago I had a narrow 17" rim on the front of my Lightning.
The only way I could get a tire on or off was by using the strapping
tape trick.
Jeff
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Date: 19 Oct 2005 11:48:04
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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I think if the rim strip is the correct width, the thickness shouldn't make
much difference. The rim tape just keeps the tube from extruding itself into
the spoke ends and IIRC from some cross section drawings I've seen, the bead
shouldn't contact the tape at all.
"Jeff Wills" <jwills@pacifier.com > wrote in message
news:1129739065.103953.158530@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jon Meinecke wrote:
>> Getting tires onto and off of the rims on my Volae is a
>> major production. Two different brands of tires, the
>> original Contis and replacement Kendas are just very
>> tight.
>>
>
> Jon- it's not the tires or the rims- it's the rim strips. When you're
> removing or installing a tire, the bead needs to go to the center of
> the rim, where its diameter is smaller, so you can pull the bead over
> the edge of the rim. If you've got a thick cloth rim strip in there, it
> will make the diameter too large to get the bead off or on the rim
> easily. A thin plastic rimstrip or Velocity's Veloplugs should help, or
> in extreme cases you can substitute two or three layers of
> fiberglass-reinforced straping tape.
>
> A few years ago I had a narrow 17" rim on the front of my Lightning.
> The only way I could get a tire on or off was by using the strapping
> tape trick.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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Date: 19 Oct 2005 11:55:33
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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"Jeff Wills" <jwills@pacifier.com > wrote
>
> Jon- it's not the tires or the rims- it's the rim strips. When you're
> removing or installing a tire, the bead needs to go to the center of
> the rim, where its diameter is smaller, so you can pull the bead over
> the edge of the rim. If you've got a thick cloth rim strip in there, it
> will make the diameter too large to get the bead off or on the rim
> easily. A thin plastic rimstrip
I'll double check next time I have to change the tube/tire.
hopefully sometime a long time from now! %^) I'm almost
sure the rim tape is the thin plastic variety.
> or Velocity's Veloplugs should help,
I'll look for those.
Thanks,
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 19 Oct 2005 08:46:45
From: rBOB
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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> There's not many choices for 650c tires.. Even fewer, when you're
> as "cheap" as I am. %^)
I empathize. I am cheap too. That's one reason I dislike oddball wheel
sizes but I don't know much about these bikes and I am sure there is a
reason for selecting that size. 650B is another size that seems all the
rage in the upright bike world now. Beats me why though.
> > A drastic measure would be to get a whole new wheel set
> > that works better for you.
>
> That would be drastic! The Uriel wheelset is more than $300.
I see your point. However, high quality bike stuff has good resale
value. Ebay has made cheapskates like me more adventurous in trying
expensive bike stuff (knowing I can unload it pretty easily if
necessary). Of course, you'd have to make sure you had a better
wheel/tire option first.
>I can't think of much that I hate worse than struggling
> to get a tire off and on squatting beside the road in 100+ degree
> heat, dripping sweat and dodging fire ants... %^P
That's bad but in the cold with a little rain or snow falling, my 47
year-old hands freeze solid and I have no chance at all. I might as
well call the wife to bring the car--and a thermos of hot cocoa while
she is at it. Oh my...where did the years go? I used to be young once.
Best of luck to you.
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Date: 20 Oct 2005 02:07:38
From: Victor Kan
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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rBOB wrote:
> I empathize. I am cheap too. That's one reason I dislike oddball wheel
> sizes but I don't know much about these bikes and I am sure there is a
> reason for selecting that size. 650B is another size that seems all the
> rage in the upright bike world now. Beats me why though.
Is it actually "all the rage", or is it being talked about by a few
folks as if it could/should be?
From what I've read, mainly from Sheldon Brown, his interview with
Grant Peterson of Rivendell (see
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/podcasts/grantpetersen.html), and arguments
about it in the rec.bicycles.* groups, the attraction is that you can
take a 622/700c road bike that isn't very appropriate for comfort riding
in all conditions (e.g. minimal tire clearance, no provisions for
fenders) and for an investment of a new set of wheels, maybe new long
reach brakes and maybe a new fork, you can use 584/650B tires that can
be much fatter (giving a cushier ride), yet still fit a 700c frame/fork
at the same effective tire/wheel diameter.
QBP is getting in on the act, offering tires, tubes and bikes using this
size, but skeptics look at this as a solution looking for a problem,
especially as it pertains to new bikes (vs. retrofits).
An answer to that is that it's a good in between size bridging 559/26"
bikes with road tires and 622/700c bikes.
Personally, I'd prefer to have a common wheel size in my fleet, but it's
already too late for me.
I've got bikes/trikes with 622/451, 406/406/406, 622/622, 571/571,
559/559. Why not throw a 584/584 in there? :-) Seriously though, I
doubt I'd get a new 584/584 bike since for the roads I ride and the
622/622 bike I have, I don't need super fat tires and that bike already
has fender clearance.
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Date: 20 Oct 2005 17:26:02
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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>
> I've got bikes/trikes with 622/451, 406/406/406, 622/622, 571/571,
> 559/559. Why not throw a 584/584 in there? :-) Seriously though, I doubt
> I'd get a new 584/584 bike since for the roads I ride and the 622/622 bike
> I have, I don't need super fat tires and that bike already has fender
> clearance.
>
584 (650B) is a bad choice. It's been tough (impossible?) to get a tire and
rim to fit properly. I bought new 584 rims, and bought tires from England,
but I can't seat the tires so that they don't blow off the rims, so now my
Raleigh Portage sits in my son's storage space. When the bike was new there
wasn't a problem, even for a few years after as Giant used that size. Even
though the Portage was a sweet touring frame the tire issue makes that moot
Changing to a more common size wheel and having a frame maker braze on new
brake studs seemed like a too expensive solution. Now I think I've turned
the boy onto the dark side by letting him have a few rides on the V-REX. Now
he's talking about getting a Cattrike. Hope he lets me have a ride or two on
that.
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Date: 20 Oct 2005 06:58:52
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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"Victor Kan" <victor@usenet.NO_UCEloopdrive.net > wrote
>
> I've got bikes/trikes with 622/451, 406/406/406, 622/622, 571/571,
> 559/559. Why not throw a 584/584 in there? :-)
Do you know ci? %^)
Keeping spares for tubes and tires for the family's bikes can be a
challenge. Some bikes have more than one configuration depending
on time of year or planned usage. 7 bikes have 5 different rim
sizes and 10 different tube/tire sizes for 4 people. %^P
349 (wide)
406 (narrow, medium, and wide)
559 (narrow/slick and wide/knobby)
571 (narrow)
622 (narrow, medium, and wide)
Of these, only the 571s have been very difficult to mount...
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 19 Oct 2005 05:34:25
From: rBOB
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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Some tire/rim combos are worse than others. I would ask the Hostel
Shoppe if they know of comparable tire that would be a looser fit on
these rims. A drastic measure would be to get a whole new wheel set
that works better for you.
I try avoid combos that require tools to mount the tires but as I get
older and my hand strength decreases, that criteria is getting harder
to meet. I recently had some 26" Armadillos that were impossible to
mount so I got rid of them. I bought some Performance brand tires that
fit better but in the end, those particular wheels/rims where tight
with every tire. I got a much better fit with another wheel set I had
on hand. The rim width was about the same on both sets. Some people
claim that the thickness of the rim tape makes a difference (thinner is
better) but I have never checked into this in any way. I use the
standard cloth adhesive tape on my wheels (forgot the name of the brand
but it's the one everybody sells). Good luck.
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Date: 19 Oct 2005 10:05:40
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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"rBOB" <bobish@gmail.com > wrote
> Some tire/rim combos are worse than others. I would ask the Hostel
> Shoppe if they know of comparable tire that would be a looser fit on
> these rims.
There's not many choices for 650c tires.. Even fewer, when you're
as "cheap" as I am. %^)
The Conti Gatorskins were original equipment from Volae
and were difficult to get back on. Not much easier than the
Kendas, if at all.
The Gatorskins must be fairly high carbon content because
every time I had to change a tube, my hands got filthy (even
wiping tires with a rag). I laid the rim down on the kitchen
floor and when I picked it up noticed a circle of "soot".
I like the Kenda Koncepts. Particularly for the price, they roll
well and are pretty tough. I've used similar model Kenda tires
on my 700c Tour Easy rear wheel and gotten very good mileage
out of them. I've only had them on the Volae for 500 miles
or so. Got a goat-head (sand burr) puncture in the sidewall.
> A drastic measure would be to get a whole new wheel set
> that works better for you.
That would be drastic! The Uriel wheelset is more than $300. %^P
I bought the bike used, -- it's a Volae Sport model. The Uriel
wheels were an upgrade specified by the original owner... Except
for a broken spoke (from bounced road debris) the wheels have
been trouble free and true.
> I try avoid combos that require tools to mount the tires
Me too. I can't think of much that I hate worse than struggling
to get a tire off and on squatting beside the road in 100+ degree
heat, dripping sweat and dodging fire ants... %^P
> Some people claim that the thickness of the rim tape makes
> a difference (thinner is better)
Rim tape seems reasonably thin.
Thanks for the response.
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 18 Oct 2005 23:01:21
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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"Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:1129635833.45d78f60741630ddc83116a94c980aea@teranews...
> Getting tires onto and off of the rims on my Volae is a
> major production. Two different brands of tires, the
> original Contis and replacement Kendas are just very
> tight.
>
> I purchased a Crank Brothers Speed Lever tool and
> used it according to directions, including lubricating the
> tire bead. Not much help,-- it tends to bind and not
> slide and I'm reluctant to force it lest it break or damage
> the tire.
>
> Any one have trade secrets or incantations for handling
> tight tires installation and removal? Is the rims, the
> tires, or just me? %^P
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon Meinecke
I've had quite a lesson these last 2 weeks changing tires, (5 flats) I
assume you are having problems with the 20" wheel(s) since they can be much
harder to install.
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Date: 19 Oct 2005 06:44:15
From: David Martin
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:01:21 -0500, "k Leuck"
<m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote:
>
>"Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> wrote in message
>news:1129635833.45d78f60741630ddc83116a94c980aea@teranews...
>> Getting tires onto and off of the rims on my Volae is a
>> major production. Two different brands of tires, the
>> original Contis and replacement Kendas are just very
>> tight.
>>
>> I purchased a Crank Brothers Speed Lever tool and
>> used it according to directions, including lubricating the
>> tire bead. Not much help,-- it tends to bind and not
>> slide and I'm reluctant to force it lest it break or damage
>> the tire.
>>
>> Any one have trade secrets or incantations for handling
>> tight tires installation and removal? Is the rims, the
>> tires, or just me? %^P
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jon Meinecke
>
>I've had quite a lesson these last 2 weeks changing tires, (5 flats) I
>assume you are having problems with the 20" wheel(s) since they can be much
>harder to install.
>
Sometimes the old tools still are the best.
Park tools sells 9" long aluminum tire tools. They are heavy and not a
lot of fun to carry with you on a daily basis, but they work. Use care
to avoid pinching the tube and you can get even very tight 20" tires
replaced properly.
I rode cross-country with a group this summer and used these on
someone's tires about every other day. My personal record was three
flats the same day (Interstate tire wires).
If Hostel shop does not stock them, they can order them for you.
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Date: 19 Oct 2005 07:15:28
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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"David tin" <dctin@concast.net > wrote
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> "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> wrote
> >
> > Getting tires onto and off of the rims on my Volae is a
> > major production.
>
> Sometimes the old tools still are the best.
>
> Park tools sells 9" long aluminum tire tools.
I can get tires back on using levers. I have Park plastic ones
are OK, -- probably not as good as the metal ones. Careful
is right to avoid pinching (ruined on tube that way). I may look
for the aluminum tire tools to keep at home.
The wheels/tires causing the tire changing grief are 650c. No
major issues with the 16", 20", and 700c wheels on my other
bikes.
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 19 Oct 2005 06:26:16
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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"k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote
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> I've had quite a lesson these last 2 weeks changing tires, (5 flats) I
5 in two weeks beats my record of 4 in two weeks, but I once
had three out of four of the tires flat on two different bikes in two
days including a sidewall blowout. I had previously gone more
than a year without changing a tube on the road.
> assume you are having problems with the 20" wheel(s) since
> they can be much harder to install.
Actually, they are 650c rims/tires. Velocity Uriel wheels and
Conti Gatorskin tires as well as Kenda Koncept tires. Tires
are narrow (23) as are rims.
I've tried the push away with heels of hands recommended procedure,
and as I said, the Crank Bros Speed Lever without much success.
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 20 Oct 2005 09:56:14
From: Robert Milligan
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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I use folding tires on 650 rims
Bob Milligan FORCE 5 XP
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Date: 19 Oct 2005 20:04:50
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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"Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:1129720989.f30940404f919567b797609337b0b39d@teranews...
> "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote
> >
> > I've had quite a lesson these last 2 weeks changing tires, (5 flats) I
>
> 5 in two weeks beats my record of 4 in two weeks, but I once
> had three out of four of the tires flat on two different bikes in two
> days including a sidewall blowout. I had previously gone more
> than a year without changing a tube on the road.
Well in my case it was mostly my stupidity, I had just changed from my last
set of Vrederstein S-Licks which lasted over 9,500 trouble-free miles. I
have learned in these last 2 weeks (actually it's been about a month)
1. Tire tape exists for a reason and it should be changed
2. Don't use a tire that has a slight cut going all the way through without
patching it.
The funny part is I hadn't had a flat in over a year and a half and to date
any flat I have had has been within 1 mile of my home or truck, never been
nailed yet out in the middle of nowhere
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Date: 20 Oct 2005 07:32:15
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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"k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote
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> The funny part is I hadn't had a flat in over a year and a half and to
date
> any flat I have had has been within 1 mile of my home or truck, never been
> nailed yet out in the middle of nowhere
Captors of free air, beware. The P*nct*re Fairy is vain and
capricious. She is planter of goatheads and p*nct*re vine,
scatterer of glass and road debris, in league with the demon
steel-belted-tire-wire gremlin.
She is ever wont to thwart our best pneumatic intentions.
Slowly and subtlety or suddenly, explosively, she has her ways.
Appeasement is not possible, though many practice certain
secret rites with incantations in Italian and offerings of Kevlar,
Slime, and endless patching.
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 19 Oct 2005 09:59:12
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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Koolstop Tire Bead Jack, Jack! Wheel diameter doesn't matter.
"Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:1129720989.f30940404f919567b797609337b0b39d@teranews...
> "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote
>>
>> I've had quite a lesson these last 2 weeks changing tires, (5 flats) I
>
> 5 in two weeks beats my record of 4 in two weeks, but I once
> had three out of four of the tires flat on two different bikes in two
> days including a sidewall blowout. I had previously gone more
> than a year without changing a tube on the road.
>
>> assume you are having problems with the 20" wheel(s) since
>> they can be much harder to install.
>
> Actually, they are 650c rims/tires. Velocity Uriel wheels and
> Conti Gatorskin tires as well as Kenda Koncept tires. Tires
> are narrow (23) as are rims.
>
> I've tried the push away with heels of hands recommended procedure,
> and as I said, the Crank Bros Speed Lever without much success.
>
> Jon Meinecke
>
>
>
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Date: 18 Oct 2005 18:16:11
From:
Subject: Re: General tire issue, major hassle
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Are the tires the correct size for the rims?
High pressure tires are made pretty tight, otherwise they'd blow off
the rims.
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