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Date: 29 Mar 2005 18:58:40
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It is a sad way to promote HPVs since many of my neighbors are freaking
out about many costs going up due to gas- pizza, TV, grapes,
deliveries; but the book on Car-free cities is so timely! Good
reading, thanks to the library. Cost Effective!
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Date: 10 Apr 2005 17:30:34
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MASA; http://home.mindspring.com/~kb7mxu/ under defunct trikes. Easy
Racer started in about '76, Brike was around.
Chris
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 20:42:41
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flash_j_95060@yahoo.com wrote:
> I doubt anyone is 'wishing' for the oil upheaval, but it is
undoubtedly
> here- and getting worse. I found CNN links in a Car_free group:
>
> Two stories from CNN today:
I rather like this version, from Yahoo:
http://tinyurl.com/6oete
Jeff
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 18:23:49
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I doubt anyone is 'wishing' for the oil upheaval, but it is undoubtedly
here- and getting worse. I found CNN links in a Car_free group:
Two stories from CNN today:
#1:
LONDON (Reuters) - Oil kets have entered a "super-spike" period that
could see 1970's-style price surges as high as $105 a barrel,
investment bank Goldman Sachs said in a research report.
Goldman's Global Investment Research note also raised the bank's 2005
and 2006 New York Mercantile Exchange crude price forecasts to $50 and
$55 respectively, from $41 and $40.
These forecasts sit at the top of a table of predictions from 25
analysts, consultants and government bodies surveyed by Reuters.
"We believe oil kets may have entered the early stages of what we
have referred to as a "super spike" period -- a multi-year trading band
of oil prices high enough to meaningfully reduce energy consumption and
recreate a spare capacity cushion only after which will lower energy
prices return," Goldman's analysts wrote.
The analysts said resilient demand had led them to revise their
super-spike range to $50-$105 per barrel from $50-$80 previously,
noting strength in oil demand and economic growth in the United States
and China especially.
The rest of the story is at the URL below:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/31/news/international/goldman_oil.reut/
index.htm
#2:
LONDON (Reuters) - Oil major Royal Dutch/Shell replaced less than half
the oil it pumped last year with new finds, according to revised
reserves figures published Thursday.
Shell said its proved reserves stood at 11.9 billion barrels of oil
equivalent (boe) at the end of 2004, equal to less than nine years'
production at average 2004 rates, excluding the Athabasca oil sands
reserves, which it put at 0.6 billion boe.
While the figures were broadly in line with previous guidance, they
will cement many investors' worries that Shell has lost its knack of
finding oil, following a reserves over-booking scandal last year that
led the company to downgrade around a quarter of its oil and gas
reserves.
The URL:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/31/news/international/shell.reut/index.htm
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 23:00:32
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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You are partially correct in that 99% of the population doesn't wish for it
but HHS isn't one of them. I seriously doubt it will rise to that level,
most of the pricing right now is speculation driven and has little to do
with actual supply and demand. While I doubt prices will drop a great deal I
believe this is a bubble in spite of what Goldman Sachs thinks (I saw that
article as well)
<flash_j_95060@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1112322229.258138.89390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> I doubt anyone is 'wishing' for the oil upheaval, but it is undoubtedly
> here- and getting worse. I found CNN links in a Car_free group:
>
> Two stories from CNN today:
>
> #1:
> LONDON (Reuters) - Oil kets have entered a "super-spike" period that
> could see 1970's-style price surges as high as $105 a barrel,
> investment bank Goldman Sachs said in a research report.
>
> Goldman's Global Investment Research note also raised the bank's 2005
> and 2006 New York Mercantile Exchange crude price forecasts to $50 and
> $55 respectively, from $41 and $40.
>
> These forecasts sit at the top of a table of predictions from 25
> analysts, consultants and government bodies surveyed by Reuters.
>
> "We believe oil kets may have entered the early stages of what we
> have referred to as a "super spike" period -- a multi-year trading band
> of oil prices high enough to meaningfully reduce energy consumption and
> recreate a spare capacity cushion only after which will lower energy
> prices return," Goldman's analysts wrote.
>
> The analysts said resilient demand had led them to revise their
> super-spike range to $50-$105 per barrel from $50-$80 previously,
> noting strength in oil demand and economic growth in the United States
> and China especially.
>
> The rest of the story is at the URL below:
>
> http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/31/news/international/goldman_oil.reut/
> index.htm
>
> #2:
> LONDON (Reuters) - Oil major Royal Dutch/Shell replaced less than half
> the oil it pumped last year with new finds, according to revised
> reserves figures published Thursday.
>
> Shell said its proved reserves stood at 11.9 billion barrels of oil
> equivalent (boe) at the end of 2004, equal to less than nine years'
> production at average 2004 rates, excluding the Athabasca oil sands
> reserves, which it put at 0.6 billion boe.
>
> While the figures were broadly in line with previous guidance, they
> will cement many investors' worries that Shell has lost its knack of
> finding oil, following a reserves over-booking scandal last year that
> led the company to downgrade around a quarter of its oil and gas
> reserves.
>
> The URL:
>
> http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/31/news/international/shell.reut/index.htm
>
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Date: 01 Apr 2005 06:50:28
From: HHS
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:SKednZUYDe59SNHfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
> You are partially correct in that 99% of the population doesn't wish for
> it
> but HHS isn't one of them. I seriously doubt it will rise to that level,
> most of the pricing right now is speculation driven and has little to do
> with actual supply and demand. While I doubt prices will drop a great deal
> I
> believe this is a bubble in spite of what Goldman Sachs thinks (I saw that
> article as well)
>
> <flash_j_95060@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1112322229.258138.89390@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
<snip >
>> I doubt anyone is 'wishing' for the oil upheaval, but it is undoubtedly
>> here- and getting worse.
Pat attention Leuck. Sherman is a prophet - get your head out of the sand.
"......we will have earned the disastrous consequences of
excessive carbon dioxide emissions and future energy shortages."
"Enjoy the coming suffering, destruction and death of the 21st century!"
-Tom Sherman
Let's Roll.
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 15:47:30
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Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Mad Max I,II, whatever, nah.
Americathon makes so much more sense.
Daily projects; some work- some don't. Between gas prices and feeding
tubes; people think I have a screw loose with good cheer. I built up a
cheap full fairing on my trike, and everyone seemed to agree it was
bad- not say word, being nonchalant when it did not work.
I removed the foam belly-pan today, and it worked. I was all smiles
and whoops. I could not believe the "what is he on" looks from others.
Can't please all the people all the time. But some people are somewhat
prepared for future doom.
Now; where can I find a campy Americathon movie?
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 06:54:15
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Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> Our society has refused to prepare for the consequences of burning
large
> quantities of fossil fuel. Therefore, as a society, through our
> irresponsibility we will have earned the disastrous consequences of
> excessive carbon dioxide emissions and future energy shortages.
>
> Enjoy the coming suffering, destruction and death of the 21st
century!
Some people think this is the good news, or should I say Good News.
http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/20666/
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 17:52:20
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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<lostjohnriley@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:1112280855.038033.160040@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> >
> > Our society has refused to prepare for the consequences of burning
> large
> > quantities of fossil fuel. Therefore, as a society, through our
> > irresponsibility we will have earned the disastrous consequences of
> > excessive carbon dioxide emissions and future energy shortages.
> >
> > Enjoy the coming suffering, destruction and death of the 21st
> century!
>
> Some people think this is the good news, or should I say Good News.
>
> http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/20666/
Bill Moyers quoted James Watt incorrectly, much of that speech is a fable
that has been going around for years now.
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000797041
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 13:18:15
From: David K. Smith
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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<lostjohnriley@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:1112280855.038033.160040@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>
>>
>> Our society has refused to prepare for the consequences of burning
> large
>> quantities of fossil fuel. Therefore, as a society, through our
>> irresponsibility we will have earned the disastrous consequences of
>> excessive carbon dioxide emissions and future energy shortages.
>>
>> Enjoy the coming suffering, destruction and death of the 21st
> century!
>
> Some people think this is the good news, or should I say Good News.
>
> http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/20666/
>
Re: alternet.org/enviroheath/20666 (hmmm...666)
Mr. Riley I trust you are aware James Watt never made the "after the last
tree is felled, Christ will come back." comment that has been attributed to
him. It is an urban legend from the left. In this incident Moyers, to his
credit, did issue an appropriate apology to Mr. Watt.
The dogs bark, but the anti-Christian caravan rolls on.
David
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Date: 01 Apr 2005 07:31:34
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"David K. Smith" <dsmith@nospam.com > wrote
> James Watt never made the "after the last tree is felled,
> Christ will come back."
Gore never made the "I invented the Internet" rek either.
Cheap energy form oil (not including indirect costs) has shaped
technology, culture, geopolitics, ... So will less cheap oil.
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 01 Apr 2005 17:21:14
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:1112362245.e02e11123fba3701780f6405e9b211af@teranews...
> "David K. Smith" <dsmith@nospam.com> wrote
>
> > James Watt never made the "after the last tree is felled,
> > Christ will come back."
>
> Gore never made the "I invented the Internet" rek either.
True but with Gore it seems like it's told more jokingly than the Watt
"statement". I could be wrong
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Date: 04 Apr 2005 07:32:10
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote
>
> "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> wrote
> >
> > Gore never made the "I invented the Internet" rek either.
>
> True but with Gore it seems like it's told more jokingly than the Watt
> "statement". I could be wrong
See Watt-related Doonesbury series on the subject for humorous
take... It's fair to say Watt much favored development over
preservation.
Citing the "second coming" in congressional testimony regarding
federal public lands policy is "colorful" to say the least and so
likewise, apparently, was Watt's taste in jokes. He resigned
after using the c-word (cripple) and in describing the diversity
of his staff (in a joking reference). Later lying to a grand jury
(withholding evidence) about his consulting work didn't exactly
help his legacy.
The oil crisis in the '70s resulted in many changes in the
auto industry, and may have ked the beginning of the
big three's slide. It will be interesting to see how the
current oil prices will change the ket.
What recumbent bikes were being made in the early '80s?
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 04 Apr 2005 16:58:12
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net > wrote in message
news:1112617879.a2ccb94135a9902d1c35bdacfb6ad86c@teranews...
> "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote
> >
> > "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> wrote
> > >
> > > Gore never made the "I invented the Internet" rek either.
> >
> > True but with Gore it seems like it's told more jokingly than the Watt
> > "statement". I could be wrong
>
> See Watt-related Doonesbury series on the subject for humorous
> take... It's fair to say Watt much favored development over
> preservation.
Yes Doonesbury is a great source for unbiased reporting :)
> Citing the "second coming" in congressional testimony regarding
> federal public lands policy is "colorful" to say the least and so
> likewise, apparently, was Watt's taste in jokes. He resigned
> after using the c-word (cripple) and in describing the diversity
> of his staff (in a joking reference). Later lying to a grand jury
> (withholding evidence) about his consulting work didn't exactly
> help his legacy.
I do remember that, was also in trouble for a few other things he said like
that, wasn't that statement something like "I have a black, a jew and a
cripple working for me"?
> The oil crisis in the '70s resulted in many changes in the
> auto industry, and may have ked the beginning of the
> big three's slide. It will be interesting to see how the
> current oil prices will change the ket.
Nonsense, the big three will create smaller cars because that's what the
public now wants, same held true when the big 4 were in trouble during the
70's and early 80's during the first gas crisis. They couldn't adapt fast
enough and japanese cars became popular because they already were small and
more efficient. In this case with quick production turnarounds I doubt they
have the same problems, the real question is will the public buy them or
stick with big vehicles and pay the higher fuel bills
> What recumbent bikes were being made in the early '80s?
>
> Jon Meinecke
Avatar is the only one I can think of
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Date: 07 Apr 2005 18:12:27
From: Joshua Goldberg
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Not in the early 80's, but I had a MASA recumbent in 1979 and then an Avatar
and then a Tour Easy clone and then a Nordica delta that a Garbage truck
backed over.
Joshua
******
>> What recumbent bikes were being made in the early '80s?
>>
>> Jon Meinecke
>
> Avatar is the only one I can think of
>
>
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Date: 07 Apr 2005 20:51:00
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Got any pictures of the MASA? I never heard of that one
"Joshua Goldberg" <evsolutions@rogers.com > wrote in message
news:7L-dnWFiQbfRLcjfRVn-gw@rogers.com...
> Not in the early 80's, but I had a MASA recumbent in 1979 and then an
Avatar
> and then a Tour Easy clone and then a Nordica delta that a Garbage truck
> backed over.
>
> Joshua
> ******
> >> What recumbent bikes were being made in the early '80s?
> >>
> >> Jon Meinecke
> >
> > Avatar is the only one I can think of
> >
> >
>
>
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Date: 08 Apr 2005 10:56:19
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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k Leuck wrote:
> Got any pictures of the MASA? I never heard of that one
<URL: http://home.mindspring.com/~kb7mxu/images/slingshot.jpg >
--
Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
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Date: 08 Apr 2005 20:09:33
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Oh that one, I thought it was something different
"Dave Larrington" <smert.spamionam@privacy.net > wrote in message
news:3bn5moF6hig66U2@individual.net...
> k Leuck wrote:
> > Got any pictures of the MASA? I never heard of that one
>
> <URL: http://home.mindspring.com/~kb7mxu/images/slingshot.jpg>
>
> --
>
> Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
> World Domination?
> Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
> floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
>
>
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Date: 05 Apr 2005 08:03:00
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote
>
> "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@nospam.net> wrote in message
> > See Watt-related Doonesbury series on the subject for humorous
> > take... It's fair to say Watt much favored development over
> > preservation.
>
> Yes Doonesbury is a great source for unbiased reporting :)
I cited humor, not reporting. Trudeau's satirical take on Watt
was classic. (Humor was cited for misquoting Gore.)
> [Watt's] statement something like "I have a black, a jew and a
> cripple working for me"?
I seem to recall it was the c-word that raised most ire. Watt's
public lands policies aside, he was almost a self parody. He
banned the Beach Boys from playing a 4th of July concert in
Washington because they would attract the "wrong element."
> > The oil crisis in the '70s resulted in many changes in the
> > auto industry, and may have ked the beginning of the
> > big three's slide. It will be interesting to see how the
> > current oil prices will change the ket.
>
> Nonsense,
What nonsense? Oil prices in 70's did not result in ket
changes that affected the auto industry??
It was not just smaller cars and fuel economy, but also
improvements in quality, reliability, design innovation,
manufacturing processes, just-in-time parts, etc... The
great American auto industry of the 70's was "ripe" for
change.
> the big three will create smaller cars because that's what the
> public now wants,
If indeed they do, that would be an interesting change in the
ket, of course. (Note I cited interesting to see changes
in _ket_, not _industry_.)
> the real question is will the public buy them [fuel efficient cars]
> or stick with big vehicles and pay the higher fuel bills
Changes in the price of oil affect ket dynamics of the auto
industry, airlines, freight delivery, fuel intensive manufacturing...
Even the cost and availability of fresh flowers (mostly shipped by
air) is affected. Rising fuel prices may enable innovation or
expand certain product niches, e.g., hybrid gas/electric cars,
fuel cells, ...
Car-free cities of any substantial size for US are a distinctly
*unlikely* outcome anytime soon (to get back to the subject line).
I doubt there's any evidence form the '70's of measurable
increases in bicycles use for transpiration displacing
the use of cars.
"Gee, honey, it costs so $#@!$ much to fill up the Hummer, I
think I'll ride a bicycle to work instead." -- not! ;`P
Maybe it will sell more Harley's, though... %^)
Jon Meinecke
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Date: 04 Apr 2005 14:20:31
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Jon Meinecke wrote:
> What recumbent bikes were being made in the early '80s?
Avatar 2000, Roulandt, M5 and Windcheetah definitely; possibly Easy Racers &
Lightning as well.
--
Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
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Date: 04 Apr 2005 17:51:02
From: Bill Patterson
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Dave Larrington wrote:
> Jon Meinecke wrote:
>
>
>>What recumbent bikes were being made in the early '80s?
>
>
> Avatar 2000, Roulandt, M5 and Windcheetah definitely; possibly Easy Racers &
> Lightning as well.
>
We also had the "roadrunner" built in Ventura CA.
--
Don’t be a 0 to 60 sheep, be a 60 mpg wolf. Yes Miles Per Gallon.
See some Bikes At:
http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/index.html
Class and Helicopter
http://www.calpoly.edu/~wpatters/
The Pony Express
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/6850/PonySong.html
Reply to wm.patterson@earthlink.net
wpatters@calpoly.edu
william.patterson@1962.usna.com
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 19:10:24
From: Pat
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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:
: Mr. Riley I trust you are aware James Watt never made the "after the last
: tree is felled, Christ will come back." comment that has been attributed
to
: him. It is an urban legend from the left. In this incident Moyers, to
his
: credit, did issue an appropriate apology to Mr. Watt.
:
: The dogs bark, but the anti-Christian caravan rolls on.
:
: David
You are making a mistake in lumping together all Christians with the loony
far-right Christians. Someone can be against the loonies without being
"anti-Christian" just the same way someone can be against Osama big Laden
without being "anti-Islamic".
Pat in TX
:
:
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Date: 30 Mar 2005 14:22:29
From: HHS
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
Sooner the better. Best of all possible worlds.
Bike to your cost effective library and check out the Mad Max movie.
Bring it on.
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 11:24:08
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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HHS wrote:
> Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
In other news, Satan travels to work on cross-country skis, pig collides
with A320 over Frankfurt and Robert Mugabe accepts defeat in Zibabwean
general election.
Fuel here is about three times the price it is in the US, it costs five quid
a day to drive into the centre of London and it's entirely possible to spend
two or three times that on parking. And guess what? The streets are awash
with motorcars.
--
Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
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Date: 04 Apr 2005 17:57:48
From: Bill Patterson
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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You are right. But you folks aren't riding around in disgusting, multi
ton, death dealing SUV's.
Dave Larrington wrote:
> HHS wrote:
>
>
>>Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
>
>
> In other news, Satan travels to work on cross-country skis, pig collides
> with A320 over Frankfurt and Robert Mugabe accepts defeat in Zibabwean
> general election.
>
> Fuel here is about three times the price it is in the US, it costs five quid
> a day to drive into the centre of London and it's entirely possible to spend
> two or three times that on parking. And guess what? The streets are awash
> with motorcars.
>
--
Don’t be a 0 to 60 sheep, be a 60 mpg wolf. Yes Miles Per Gallon.
See some Bikes At:
http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/index.html
Class and Helicopter
http://www.calpoly.edu/~wpatters/
The Pony Express
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/6850/PonySong.html
Reply to wm.patterson@earthlink.net
wpatters@calpoly.edu
william.patterson@1962.usna.com
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Date: 05 Apr 2005 11:00:39
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Bill Patterson wrote:
> You are right. But you folks aren't riding around in disgusting, multi
> ton, death dealing SUV's.
Not to the same extent that youse lot are, but sales of the wretched things
are soaring. Admittedly most of ones over here are smaller than the average
USAnian model, but the new Land Rover Discovery still weighs about 2.75
tonnes...
--
Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
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Date: 04 Apr 2005 17:02:11
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Sure they do, they have many of the same vehicles we do in the US. Ever hear
of Rover?
"Bill Patterson" <wm.patterson@earthlink.net > wrote in message
news:4251802B.7090103@earthlink.net...
> You are right. But you folks aren't riding around in disgusting, multi
> ton, death dealing SUV's.
>
> Dave Larrington wrote:
>
> > HHS wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
> >
> >
> > In other news, Satan travels to work on cross-country skis, pig collides
> > with A320 over Frankfurt and Robert Mugabe accepts defeat in Zibabwean
> > general election.
> >
> > Fuel here is about three times the price it is in the US, it costs five
quid
> > a day to drive into the centre of London and it's entirely possible to
spend
> > two or three times that on parking. And guess what? The streets are
awash
> > with motorcars.
> >
>
>
> --
> Don’t be a 0 to 60 sheep, be a 60 mpg wolf. Yes Miles Per Gallon.
>
> See some Bikes At:
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~wm.patterson/index.html
>
>
> Class and Helicopter
>
> http://www.calpoly.edu/~wpatters/
>
> The Pony Express
> http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Base/6850/PonySong.html
>
>
> Reply to wm.patterson@earthlink.net
> wpatters@calpoly.edu
> william.patterson@1962.usna.com
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 19:12:12
From: Pat
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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:
: > Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
:
: In other news, Satan travels to work on cross-country skis, pig collides
: with A320 over Frankfurt and Robert Mugabe accepts defeat in Zibabwean
: general election.
:
: Fuel here is about three times the price it is in the US, it costs five
quid
: a day to drive into the centre of London and it's entirely possible to
spend
: two or three times that on parking. And guess what? The streets are
awash
: with motorcars.
:
: Dave Larrington -
Yeah, your fuel costs more, but you "get" more out of it. You have taxes
built into that cost; taxes which go towards other quality of life issues
such as subways and trains. In the U.S. some of the taxes on fuel go
towards highway construction/repair/upkeep, but not nearly enough.
Pat in TX
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Date: 01 Apr 2005 10:30:50
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Pat wrote:
> Yeah, your fuel costs more, but you "get" more out of it. You have
> taxes built into that cost; taxes which go towards other quality of
> life issues such as subways and trains. In the U.S. some of the
> taxes on fuel go towards highway construction/repair/upkeep, but not
> nearly enough.
Yebbut it doesn't matter what The Mgt does with the tax moeny. People moan
constantly about the cost of motoring and then keep right on doing it.
--
Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
World Domination?
Just find a world that's into that kind of thing, then chain to the
floor and walk up and down on it in high heels. (Mr. Sunshine)
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 23:05:22
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"Pat" <Pat@newstime.com > wrote in message
news:3b3lfbF6g724fU1@individual.net...
>
> :
> : > Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
> :
> : In other news, Satan travels to work on cross-country skis, pig collides
> : with A320 over Frankfurt and Robert Mugabe accepts defeat in Zibabwean
> : general election.
> :
> : Fuel here is about three times the price it is in the US, it costs five
> quid
> : a day to drive into the centre of London and it's entirely possible to
> spend
> : two or three times that on parking. And guess what? The streets are
> awash
> : with motorcars.
> :
> : Dave Larrington -
>
> Yeah, your fuel costs more, but you "get" more out of it. You have taxes
> built into that cost; taxes which go towards other quality of life issues
> such as subways and trains. In the U.S. some of the taxes on fuel go
> towards highway construction/repair/upkeep, but not nearly enough.
>
> Pat in TX
Close but not quite, they pay more taxes for bloated socialist programs, the
roads that I've seen in Europe aren't any better or worse than the US with
the exception of the Autobahn and Norway, why Norway? I have no idea
And they have fewer roads than the US to take care of
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Date: 02 Apr 2005 09:35:15
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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On Thu, 31 2005 23:05:22 -0600, "k Leuck"
<m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote in message
<HdCdnSqba7CfStHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com >:
>they pay more taxes for bloated socialist programs
Like free education and healthcare. Who'd want those?
Guy
--
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http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
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Date: 02 Apr 2005 08:06:00
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
news:t8ms41tuhrd8cvl9b1et43hdu3grellms7@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 31 2005 23:05:22 -0600, "k Leuck"
> <m..leuck@comcast.net> wrote in message
> <HdCdnSqba7CfStHfRVn-hQ@comcast.com>:
>
> >they pay more taxes for bloated socialist programs
>
> Like free education and healthcare. Who'd want those?
>
> Guy
Everyone would if they were indeed FREE which isn't the case. And as usual
with every government program they aren't cost effective or efficient and
nothing that couldn't be done better by the private sector.
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Date: 02 Apr 2005 18:30:14
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 08:06:00 -0600, "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net >
wrote in message <HuSdnXnl_aDrO9PfRVn-2w@comcast.com >:
>> >they pay more taxes for bloated socialist programs
>> Like free education and healthcare. Who'd want those?
>Everyone would if they were indeed FREE which isn't the case. And as usual
>with every government program they aren't cost effective or efficient and
>nothing that couldn't be done better by the private sector.
LOL! Do you not know that the US has the most expensive healthcare,
per capita, in the world? And that's with a significant proportion
relegated to very much lower levels of provision in the chronically
underfunded public sector.
Come to think of it, Cuba seems to do better than either the US or the
UK in terms of providing a very high quality healthcare system for a
surprisingly low cost per capita.
And if it comes to that, I will offer you a five pound prize if you
can find a single socialist in our supposedly Labour Government.
Guy
--
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http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
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Date: 02 Apr 2005 20:51:19
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"Just zis Guy, you know?" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
news:aalt411lg03drb27pd68t9971dmc7pou4u@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 08:06:00 -0600, "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net>
> wrote in message <HuSdnXnl_aDrO9PfRVn-2w@comcast.com>:
>
> >> >they pay more taxes for bloated socialist programs
>
> >> Like free education and healthcare. Who'd want those?
>
> >Everyone would if they were indeed FREE which isn't the case. And as
usual
> >with every government program they aren't cost effective or efficient and
> >nothing that couldn't be done better by the private sector.
>
> LOL! Do you not know that the US has the most expensive healthcare,
> per capita, in the world? And that's with a significant proportion
> relegated to very much lower levels of provision in the chronically
> underfunded public sector.
I don't doubt that but I do doubt putting it in complete control of the
government would improve it, do these studies also show the quality of
health care?
> Come to think of it, Cuba seems to do better than either the US or the
> UK in terms of providing a very high quality healthcare system for a
> surprisingly low cost per capita.
Obviously by skipping on brooms to sweep insects from the floor
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/004070.php
Thanks but I'll stick with what we in the US already have
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Date: 03 Apr 2005 13:12:28
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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On Sat, 2 Apr 2005 20:51:19 -0600, "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net >
wrote in message <BvednXweW6xSxNLfRVn-hg@comcast.com >:
>> >with every government program they aren't cost effective or efficient and
>> >nothing that couldn't be done better by the private sector.
>> LOL! Do you not know that the US has the most expensive healthcare,
>> per capita, in the world? And that's with a significant proportion
>> relegated to very much lower levels of provision in the chronically
>> underfunded public sector.
>I don't doubt that but I do doubt putting it in complete control of the
>government would improve it, do these studies also show the quality of
>health care?
One of the things which has always dogged our NHS is the fact that a
lot of people in Government, especially these days, fail to understand
the public service ethic - they discount any motive other than profit.
What happens in any privately run healthcare system is that - by law
and by inclination - profit is the driver. We prefer our health
system to be driven by other criteria.
>> Come to think of it, Cuba seems to do better than either the US or the
>> UK in terms of providing a very high quality healthcare system for a
>> surprisingly low cost per capita.
>Obviously by skipping on brooms to sweep insects from the floor
Or not. The WHO found that the United States ranked Number 1 on
per-capita expenditure but 37th in overall health system performance,
just behind Costa Rica and ahead of Slovenia. In most industrial
countries, out-of-pocket health expenses average only about 25 percent
because of universal health coverage. In the United States, that
average is 56%.
I'll stick with my bloated socialist system, thanks al the same.
Guy
--
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Date: 30 Mar 2005 21:11:10
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"HHS" <hhs@spammenot.com > wrote in message
news:kbGdnZEbHv7nl9bfRVn-oA@giganews.com...
> Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
>
> Sooner the better. Best of all possible worlds.
>
> Bike to your cost effective library and check out the Mad Max movie.
>
> Bring it on.
Wishing bad times to support your chosen hobby, selfish and moronic
statement. Keep wishing, you may however not like what you end up getting
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Date: 30 Mar 2005 21:20:47
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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k "Pollyanna" Leuck wrote:
> "HHS" <hhs@spammenot.com> wrote in message
> news:kbGdnZEbHv7nl9bfRVn-oA@giganews.com...
>
>>Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
>>
>>Sooner the better. Best of all possible worlds.
>>
>>Bike to your cost effective library and check out the Mad Max movie.
>>
>>Bring it on.
>
>
> Wishing bad times to support your chosen hobby, selfish and moronic
> statement. Keep wishing, you may however not like what you end up getting
Our society has refused to prepare for the consequences of burning large
quantities of fossil fuel. Therefore, as a society, through our
irresponsibility we will have earned the disastrous consequences of
excessive carbon dioxide emissions and future energy shortages.
Enjoy the coming suffering, destruction and death of the 21st century!
--
Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 08:42:23
From: HHS
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com > wrote in message
news:3b18jqF6dsnk5U1@individual.net...
> k "Pollyanna" Leuck wrote:
>
>> "HHS" <hhs@spammenot.com> wrote in message
>> news:kbGdnZEbHv7nl9bfRVn-oA@giganews.com...
>>
>>>Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
>>>
>>>Sooner the better. Best of all possible worlds.
>>>
>>>Bike to your cost effective library and check out the Mad Max movie.
>>>
>>>Bring it on.
>>
>>
>> Wishing bad times to support your chosen hobby, selfish and moronic
>> statement. Keep wishing, you may however not like what you end up getting
>
> Our society has refused to prepare for the consequences of burning large
> quantities of fossil fuel. Therefore, as a society, through our
> irresponsibility we will have earned the disastrous consequences of
> excessive carbon dioxide emissions and future energy shortages.
>
> Enjoy the coming suffering, destruction and death of the 21st century!
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)
>
Lueck is an idiot. Sherman is right.
I can hardly wait until the day I see some former SUV driving, cell phone
talking, filthy rich, Halliburton like, war mongering oil pig die of a heart
attack trying to pedal a velomobile up a hill. These bastards will reap
what they sow. Sherman couldn't have said it better, "Enjoy the coming
suffering, destruction and death of the 21st century!" It's too late to
turn back so let's get it on.
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Date: 31 Mar 2005 17:46:04
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"HHS" <hhs@spammenomore.com > wrote in message
news:XbKdnZ85bpnekdHfRVn-1w@giganews.com...
>
> > Enjoy the coming suffering, destruction and death of the 21st century!
> >
> > --
> > Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)
> >
>
> Lueck is an idiot. Sherman is right.
>
> I can hardly wait until the day I see some former SUV driving, cell phone
> talking, filthy rich, Halliburton like, war mongering oil pig die of a
heart
> attack trying to pedal a velomobile up a hill. These bastards will reap
> what they sow. Sherman couldn't have said it better, "Enjoy the coming
> suffering, destruction and death of the 21st century!" It's too late to
> turn back so let's get it on.
LOL you have a serious anger management problem,
"IF" everything you appear to want comes true those "filty rich Haliburton
like" people will still be rich, will still be able to afford large cars,
still be able to pay for expensive gas and you will be looking at them while
holding a "Will work for food" sign
And for god sakes man if you are going to hate someone at least spell the
name right, its Haliburton not Halliburton
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Date: 30 Mar 2005 22:12:50
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"Tom Sherman" <tsherman@qconline.com > wrote in message
news:3b18jqF6dsnk5U1@individual.net...
> k "Pollyanna" Leuck wrote:
>
> > "HHS" <hhs@spammenot.com> wrote in message
> > news:kbGdnZEbHv7nl9bfRVn-oA@giganews.com...
> >
> >>Oil prices up. Car- free cities a distinct possibility.
> >>
> >>Sooner the better. Best of all possible worlds.
> >>
> >>Bike to your cost effective library and check out the Mad Max movie.
> >>
> >>Bring it on.
> >
> >
> > Wishing bad times to support your chosen hobby, selfish and moronic
> > statement. Keep wishing, you may however not like what you end up
getting
>
> Our society has refused to prepare for the consequences of burning large
> quantities of fossil fuel. Therefore, as a society, through our
> irresponsibility we will have earned the disastrous consequences of
> excessive carbon dioxide emissions and future energy shortages.
>
> Enjoy the coming suffering, destruction and death of the 21st century!
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)
It's one thing to predict or speculate about a bad event, quite another to
hope and pray it happens. The current high price of oil is based more on
speculation than supply and demand, it's a bubble
And its a very short-sighted view, in many cases more new oil will be pumped
because it is now profitable to do so, Canada's "slush" reserves and even
some Texas fields are a good example. Contrary to popular belief the oil
producers don't want long term high prices because it causes the ket to
look for other sources of crude or alternative energy sources which reduces
their overall ket percentages later which is the reason why OPEC doesn't
have the same power over the ket they did back in the 70's
And assuming the worst case scenario such as HHS seems to desire he will
then have to pay at least double for his next recumbent bike (thats assuming
todays manufacturers are still in business after the collapse) and parts for
his current bike will be astronomical, that is assuming he has a job left to
pay for said parts.
All I can say is I'm damn glad I got my new Terracycle 70mm titanium idler
today instead of next year..whew! :)
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Date: 30 Mar 2005 10:05:24
From: Al Luminium
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Great news. Soon bike tires will cost $75 apiece.
<flash_j_95060@yahoo.com > wrote in message
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> It is a sad way to promote HPVs since many of my neighbors are freaking
> out about many costs going up due to gas- pizza, TV, grapes,
> deliveries; but the book on Car-free cities is so timely! Good
> reading, thanks to the library. Cost Effective!
>
>
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Date: 30 Mar 2005 21:07:39
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Mine did, just replaced the stock chain on the baron with 3 Shimano chains
which ended up around 75 bux
"Al Luminium" <al@johnnynocom.com > wrote in message
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> Great news. Soon bike tires will cost $75 apiece.
> <flash_j_95060@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1112151520.163253.194500@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > It is a sad way to promote HPVs since many of my neighbors are freaking
> > out about many costs going up due to gas- pizza, TV, grapes,
> > deliveries; but the book on Car-free cities is so timely! Good
> > reading, thanks to the library. Cost Effective!
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Date: 30 Mar 2005 12:28:47
From: LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Al Luminium wrote:
> Great news. Soon bike tires will cost $75 apiece.
Maybe even $131 apiece:
http://www.coker.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=17131
--
"Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much
to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)
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Date: 30 Mar 2005 17:50:21
From: Al Luminium
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net > wrote in
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> Al Luminium wrote:
>
>> Great news. Soon bike tires will cost $75 apiece.
>
> Maybe even $131 apiece:
Maybe more if they are the last of the Japanese ones in stock.
>
> http://www.coker.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=17131
>
> --
> "Bicycling is a healthy and manly pursuit with much
> to recommend it, and, unlike other foolish crazes,
> it has not died out." -- The Daily Telegraph (1877)
>
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Date: 30 Mar 2005 18:30:51
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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Al Luminium wrote:
> "LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net> wrote in
> message news:3_D2e.34361$AN1.21691@fed1read03...
>
>>Al Luminium wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Great news. Soon bike tires will cost $75 apiece.
>>
>>Maybe even $131 apiece:
>
>
> Maybe more if they are the last of the Japanese ones in stock....
Are you a friend of Cletus Lee? [1]
[1] Yes, this is relevant to the discussion at hand.
--
Tom Sherman - Earth (Downstate Illinois, North of Forgottonia)
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Date: 30 Mar 2005 15:21:29
From: HHS
Subject: Re: Good news; oil prices up. Car-free cities a distinct possibility.
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"LioNiNoiL_a t_Y a h 0 0_d 0 t_c 0 m" <nobody@devnull.spamcop.net > wrote in
message news:3_D2e.34361$AN1.21691@fed1read03...
> Al Luminium wrote:
>
>> Great news. Soon bike tires will cost $75 apiece.
>
> Maybe even $131 apiece:
>
> http://www.coker.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=17131
A solid rubber bike tire weighing 10 pounds is a man's tire. Candy assed,
easy riding, speedo wannabes - don't even go there. You can't handle this
tire.
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