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Date: 14 Jan 2006 18:54:42
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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On October 26, while riding home from the train station on my trike, I was hit from behind by a car. The result was a broken back (T8) and a spinal cord injury. I spent a total of one month in the hospital between the trauma hospital and the rehab hospital. I have been home since the day before Thanksgiving. At this point I am walking with a cane and can actually walk a mile or two on good days. It isn't clear how much I'll get back but I certainly should get back enough to be riding again. Pictures of the post-crash trike can be seen here: http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/crashedtrike.msnw Pictures of me in my back brace can be seen here: http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/superjef.msnw I teach a Sunday school class and when the accident occurred it was as if I suddenly disappeared. I wanted to do something to let me kids know that I was in good spirits and that I was recovering. That was the reason for drawing the Superman logo on the back brace. It turned out to be a real mood elevator for both the staff and the other patients in the rehab hospital. The whole experience has turned me into a bit of a Superman collector especially in the apparel department. The back brace has been off for over a month now and I am continuing to slowly heal and improve. Jeff Grippe White Plains, NY
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 21:12:45
From: NYC XYZ
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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Ouch -- but good to see you share God's sense of humor! I'm new to this 'bent scene, but thanks for sharing your experiences...will be a cautionary tale for me, though it sounds entirely unpreventable. I hope she's paying for the trike and recuperation. Jeff Grippe wrote: > On October 26, while riding home from the train station on my trike, I was > hit from behind by a car. The result was a broken back (T8) and a spinal > cord injury. I spent a total of one month in the hospital between the trauma > hospital and the rehab hospital. I have been home since the day before > Thanksgiving. At this point I am walking with a cane and can actually walk a > mile or two on good days. It isn't clear how much I'll get back but I > certainly should get back enough to be riding again. > > Pictures of the post-crash trike can be seen here: > > http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/crashedtrike.msnw > > Pictures of me in my back brace can be seen here: > > http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/superjef.msnw > > I teach a Sunday school class and when the accident occurred it was as if I > suddenly disappeared. I wanted to do something to let me kids know that I > was in good spirits and that I was recovering. That was the reason for > drawing the Superman logo on the back brace. It turned out to be a real mood > elevator for both the staff and the other patients in the rehab hospital. > The whole experience has turned me into a bit of a Superman collector > especially in the apparel department. > > The back brace has been off for over a month now and I am continuing to > slowly heal and improve. > > Jeff Grippe > White Plains, NY
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 15:59:27
From: Mike Rice
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:54:42 -0500, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote: >On October 26, while riding home from the train station on my trike, I was >hit from behind by a car. The result was a broken back (T8) and a spinal >cord injury. I spent a total of one month in the hospital between the trauma >hospital and the rehab hospital. I have been home since the day before >Thanksgiving. At this point I am walking with a cane and can actually walk a >mile or two on good days. It isn't clear how much I'll get back but I >certainly should get back enough to be riding again. > >Pictures of the post-crash trike can be seen here: > >http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/crashedtrike.msnw > >Pictures of me in my back brace can be seen here: > >http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/superjef.msnw > >I teach a Sunday school class and when the accident occurred it was as if I >suddenly disappeared. I wanted to do something to let me kids know that I >was in good spirits and that I was recovering. That was the reason for >drawing the Superman logo on the back brace. It turned out to be a real mood >elevator for both the staff and the other patients in the rehab hospital. >The whole experience has turned me into a bit of a Superman collector >especially in the apparel department. > >The back brace has been off for over a month now and I am continuing to >slowly heal and improve. > >Jeff Grippe >White Plains, NY > Hi Jeff. You have been missed on this forum. So sorry to learn of your accident. Were there any repercusions for the driver? I am gladdened to hear of the progress in your recovery and especially heartened to know that this has not caused you to give up cycling. Your old opponent, as you may have noticed, seems to be making an effort to control his more outrageous aspects, if only due to the limited number of targets remaining here on ARBR. His recent cross-posting campaign with RBM still reveals one of his favourite tactics, you know the one where he will engage a poster with one or two seemingly friendly missives and then fire off the venom. I like the 'S' logo on your brace. I keep a small Superman figure suspended between two water bottle cages mounted to the handlerbars on my Tour Easy. The figure I'm using was originally a Burger King give-away in their kid's meal, it came with a 'Daily Planet' building & is formed to balance atop the spire atop said structure, seeming to be caught mid-flight with only a strategically placed divot on the chin touching the spire. The building portion is on a shelf at home (along with a spare set). Another customization on my TE is a small round metal 'stealie' (Grateful Dead logo) on the front tube, below the 'Freedom California' decal. Hope you are riding again soon, Indiana Mike
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 14:53:31
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:agrks19hbpg8f7n1ue98klu8mlrgkvugj3@4ax.com... [...] > Your old opponent, as you may have noticed, seems to be making an > effort to control his more outrageous aspects, if only due to the > limited number of targets remaining here on ARBR. His recent > cross-posting campaign with RBM still reveals one of his favourite > tactics, you know the one where he will engage a poster with one or > two seemingly friendly missives and then fire off the venom. It is never my plan to do as you suppose. It just happens that way. People say the most confounded stupid things to me in the course of a conversation. In real life I would let it pass of course, but Usenet is perfect for taking on such reks and not getting punched in the nose. How did things go for you down in Florida? I have told my brother and my sister that I plan to precede them in death as I am not up to going to any funerals anymore. It is all I will be able to do to attend my own funeral. Regards, Ed Dolan -Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2006 08:14:30
From: Mike Rice
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:53:31 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote: > >"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote in message >news:agrks19hbpg8f7n1ue98klu8mlrgkvugj3@4ax.com... >[...] >> Your old opponent, as you may have noticed, seems to be making an >> effort to control his more outrageous aspects, if only due to the >> limited number of targets remaining here on ARBR. His recent >> cross-posting campaign with RBM still reveals one of his favourite >> tactics, you know the one where he will engage a poster with one or >> two seemingly friendly missives and then fire off the venom. > >It is never my plan to do as you suppose. It just happens that way. People >say the most confounded stupid things to me in the course of a conversation. >In real life I would let it pass of course, but Usenet is perfect for taking >on such reks and not getting punched in the nose. > >How did things go for you down in Florida? I have told my brother and my >sister that I plan to precede them in death as I am not up to going to any >funerals anymore. It is all I will be able to do to attend my own funeral. > >Regards, > >Ed Dolan -Minnesota Florida went quickly. My brother was diagnosed with liver cancer, which had spread to his lungs on a Tuesday. The following Tuesday he died. I arrived the Saturday in between. I now have the distinction of being the only surviving member of my immediate family, and also to have been with each member as they passed. The bright spots were that he died at home, the place of his choosing, and meeting his 8 year old grand-daughter, a precocious and very entertaining child. Indiana Mike >
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Date: 16 Jan 2006 14:36:31
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:98lms15ct2stk5gog8thsvuvuhlsr5c9n9@4ax.com... > On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:53:31 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> > wrote: [...] >>How did things go for you down in Florida? I have told my brother and my >>sister that I plan to precede them in death as I am not up to going to any >>funerals anymore. It is all I will be able to do to attend my own funeral. > > Florida went quickly. My brother was diagnosed with liver cancer, > which had spread to his lungs on a Tuesday. The following Tuesday he > died. I arrived the Saturday in between. I now have the distinction of > being the only surviving member of my immediate family, and also to > have been with each member as they passed. > > The bright spots were that he died at home, the place of his choosing, > and meeting his 8 year old grand-daughter, a precocious and very > entertaining child. > > Indiana Mike Mike, I remember my mother when she died. She had a very small funeral although she had been a very sociable person all her life (unlike me). But all her friends had preceded her in death. She lived to be 89 and there was just no one left to attend her funeral except for close family members. The liver is just about the largest internal organ in the body and it performs many vital functions. When the liver goes, you go. Best Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2006 08:29:27
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:98lms15ct2stk5gog8thsvuvuhlsr5c9n9@4ax.com... > On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 14:53:31 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> > wrote: > >> >>"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net> wrote in message >>news:agrks19hbpg8f7n1ue98klu8mlrgkvugj3@4ax.com... >>[...] >>> Your old opponent, as you may have noticed, seems to be making an >>> effort to control his more outrageous aspects, if only due to the >>> limited number of targets remaining here on ARBR. His recent >>> cross-posting campaign with RBM still reveals one of his favourite >>> tactics, you know the one where he will engage a poster with one or >>> two seemingly friendly missives and then fire off the venom. >> >>It is never my plan to do as you suppose. It just happens that way. People >>say the most confounded stupid things to me in the course of a >>conversation. >>In real life I would let it pass of course, but Usenet is perfect for >>taking >>on such reks and not getting punched in the nose. >> >>How did things go for you down in Florida? I have told my brother and my >>sister that I plan to precede them in death as I am not up to going to any >>funerals anymore. It is all I will be able to do to attend my own funeral. >> >>Regards, >> >>Ed Dolan -Minnesota > > Florida went quickly. My brother was diagnosed with liver cancer, > which had spread to his lungs on a Tuesday. The following Tuesday he > died. I arrived the Saturday in between. I now have the distinction of > being the only surviving member of my immediate family, and also to > have been with each member as they passed. > > The bright spots were that he died at home, the place of his choosing, > and meeting his 8 year old grand-daughter, a precocious and very > entertaining child. > > Indiana Mike >> > My deepest condolences Mike. What you did for each family member who died is quite wonderful. I'm sure you made the most uncertain and frightening time of their lives much more bearable. Jeff
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 13:00:12
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Mike Rice" <jodymike@gte.net > wrote in message news:agrks19hbpg8f7n1ue98klu8mlrgkvugj3@4ax.com... > On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:54:42 -0500, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> > wrote: > So sorry to learn of your accident. Were there any repercusions for > the driver? I am gladdened to hear of the progress in your recovery > and especially heartened to know that this has not caused you to give > up cycling. > I think the only reprecusions for the driver of the car that hit me will be that her insurance rates will go up. > Your old opponent, as you may have noticed, seems to be making an > effort to control his more outrageous aspects, if only due to the > limited number of targets remaining here on ARBR. His recent > cross-posting campaign with RBM still reveals one of his favourite > tactics, you know the one where he will engage a poster with one or > two seemingly friendly missives and then fire off the venom. > I never really thought of him as an opponent. I think that all points of view are important and deserve a voice. Generally I like people to be respectful and polite in tone but you don't always get everything you ask for. Regardless, I've pretty much always welcomed him. > I like the 'S' logo on your brace. I keep a small Superman figure > suspended between two water bottle cages mounted to the handlerbars on > my Tour Easy. The figure I'm using was originally a Burger King > give-away in their kid's meal, it came with a 'Daily Planet' building > & is formed to balance atop the spire atop said structure, seeming to > be caught mid-flight with only a strategically placed divot on the > chin touching the spire. The building portion is on a shelf at home > (along with a spare set). > I've been buying a lot of Superman apparel lately. It keeps me goal oreinted and focused on what I want to become. > > Hope you are riding again soon, > Thanks for the good wishes. I'll be back as soon as I can. Jeff
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Date: 14 Jan 2006 17:55:19
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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Edward Dolan wrote: > ... > Jeff, do you think you would have suffered the accident if you had not be= en > so low on your trike. You had the kind of accident that all of us who ride > low trikes have nightes about. Judging from the pictures, Jeff's trike has a seat height of about 20 inches (~50 cm) and a modest recline of about 75=B0 (from horizontal). This seat position is very similar to that of an Easy Racers TE/GRR/TiGRR, and is very high and upright compared to most tadpole trikes. --=20 Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley (For a bit?)
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 06:47:44
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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>Judging from the pictures, Jeff's trike has a seat height of about 20 >inches (~50 cm) and a modest recline of about 75° (from horizontal). >This seat position is very similar to that of an Easy Racers >TE/GRR/TiGRR, and is very high and upright compared to most tadpole >trikes. the Tricruiser is quite high off the ground. You do not have to "climb" into and out of it. It has a fairly wide track but it is clearly not built for speed. It is more unstable at high speed then any other trike I've ever ridden. For going along at 10-12 MPH, on the other hand, it is perfect. With its huge rear rack, I would pile on a few folding chairs, a cooler, blankets, towels, etc. and pedal the whole works to a nearby pool during the summer. It was a great pack mule of a trike and for short commutes and local errands it was perfect. Jeff
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Date: 14 Jan 2006 20:33:44
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1137290119.029897.285180@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... Edward Dolan wrote: > ... > Jeff, do you think you would have suffered the accident if you had not > been > so low on your trike. You had the kind of accident that all of us who ride > low trikes have nightes about. Judging from the pictures, Jeff's trike has a seat height of about 20 inches (~50 cm) and a modest recline of about 75° (from horizontal). This seat position is very similar to that of an Easy Racers TE/GRR/TiGRR, and is very high and upright compared to most tadpole trikes. Well damnation! I suppose I should go and have a look at the pictures myself. I have three recumbent trikes (two deltas and one tadpole) and they are all very low to the ground. I wonder what kind of trike Jeff has. Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Jan 2006 19:18:49
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:11sj3qv39v2hv04@news.supernews.com... > On October 26, while riding home from the train station on my trike, I was > hit from behind by a car. The result was a broken back (T8) and a spinal > cord injury. I spent a total of one month in the hospital between the > trauma hospital and the rehab hospital. I have been home since the day > before Thanksgiving. At this point I am walking with a cane and can > actually walk a mile or two on good days. It isn't clear how much I'll get > back but I certainly should get back enough to be riding again. > > Pictures of the post-crash trike can be seen here: > > http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/crashedtrike.msnw > > Pictures of me in my back brace can be seen here: > > http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/superjef.msnw > > I teach a Sunday school class and when the accident occurred it was as if > I suddenly disappeared. I wanted to do something to let me kids know that > I was in good spirits and that I was recovering. That was the reason for > drawing the Superman logo on the back brace. It turned out to be a real > mood elevator for both the staff and the other patients in the rehab > hospital. The whole experience has turned me into a bit of a Superman > collector especially in the apparel department. > > The back brace has been off for over a month now and I am continuing to > slowly heal and improve. > > Jeff Grippe > White Plains, NY Hi Jeff, I was wondering what had happened to you. I missed you here on ARBR. You were a worthy adversary for me, one of the few. I am very sorry to hear about your accident and hope that you will make a full recovery and soon. It can't be much fun to be hobbling around when you could be riding your bike. Jeff, I am not going to the links above because I have a picture of you in my mind which I want to keep. I picture you as a big guy and kind of a gruff. Further, it would not be fair for me to see what you look like and you not see what I look like. I suggest we stay off the subject of abortion forever. You and I are never going to solve this vexing social problem in our lifetimes. Jeff, do you think you would have suffered the accident if you had not been so low on your trike. You had the kind of accident that all of us who ride low trikes have nightes about. Best Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 06:41:14
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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> I was wondering what had happened to you. I missed you here on ARBR. You > were a worthy adversary for me, one of the few. I am very sorry to hear > about your accident and hope that you will make a full recovery and soon. > It can't be much fun to be hobbling around when you could be riding your > bike. > Certainly not fun but I am recovering well all things considered. > Jeff, I am not going to the links above because I have a picture of you in > my mind which I want to keep. I picture you as a big guy and kind of a > gruff. Further, it would not be fair for me to see what you look like and > you not see what I look like. > I'm not in the pictures of the crashed trike. > I suggest we stay off the subject of abortion forever. You and I are never > going to solve this vexing social problem in our lifetimes. > As you wish. I agree. > Jeff, do you think you would have suffered the accident if you had not > been so low on your trike. You had the kind of accident that all of us who > ride low trikes have nightes about. > The Tricruiser is not low at all. It is among the highest of tadpole trikes. Go to www.americruiser.com Where there are both pictures and videos. If I had been on any other tadpole I think I would have been killed. The heavy rear rack on the tricruiser took most of the impact and the fact that the cruiser is so high, I'm sure, saved my life.
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 14:44:45
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:11skdanc6sbtu6b@news.supernews.com... Edward Dolan Wrote: [...] >> Jeff, do you think you would have suffered the accident if you had not >> been so low on your trike. You had the kind of accident that all of us >> who ride low trikes have nightes about. >> > > The Tricruiser is not low at all. It is among the highest of tadpole > trikes. Go to > > www.americruiser.com > > Where there are both pictures and videos. > > If I had been on any other tadpole I think I would have been killed. The > heavy rear rack on the tricruiser took most of the impact and the fact > that the cruiser is so high, I'm sure, saved my life. I WILL go to a link when it has been introduced with intelligence and set up properly as is has been here by Jeff Grippe. Yes, the Tricruiser is sufficiently high so that was not the cause of the accident. All of my recumbent trikes are much lower. I do worry about drivers not seeing me, particularly in heavy traffic conditions. Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 20:54:16
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:Xcidnb4EWPvOKVfenZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@prairiewave.com... > > "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message > news:11skdanc6sbtu6b@news.supernews.com... > > Edward Dolan Wrote: > [...] >>> Jeff, do you think you would have suffered the accident if you had not >>> been so low on your trike. You had the kind of accident that all of us >>> who ride low trikes have nightes about. >>> >> >> The Tricruiser is not low at all. It is among the highest of tadpole >> trikes. Go to >> >> www.americruiser.com >> >> Where there are both pictures and videos. >> >> If I had been on any other tadpole I think I would have been killed. The >> heavy rear rack on the tricruiser took most of the impact and the fact >> that the cruiser is so high, I'm sure, saved my life. > > I WILL go to a link when it has been introduced with intelligence and set > up properly as is has been here by Jeff Grippe. > > Yes, the Tricruiser is sufficiently high so that was not the cause of the > accident. All of my recumbent trikes are much lower. I do worry about > drivers not seeing me, particularly in heavy traffic conditions. > The accident did occur at night and although I had a blinky light, she does claim to have not seen me. Here is my best guess as to what happened. Since it all happened behind me, however, I really have no way of knowing for sure. The road that I was on has two lanes. I was stopped at a light and I was in front of the cars. About 50 yards past the light, the bike lane begins. When there is no bike lane, I always take the car lane because I don't want someone to sideswipe me thinking that they can get around me. When the light was red, I was in front of the cars. The first few cars behind me could clearly see me. When the light turned green we all took off. The cars that were behind me moved into the left hand lane to get around me. I estimate she was four or five cars back. Her error in judgment was in not realizing that people were moving into the left hand lane to get around a slow moving obstacle in the right hand lane (me). I think she saw a lane magically open up and hit the gas. By the time she realized that there was something in the lane, she was already on top of me. No other explanation makes such sense to me. When I got hit I was already beginning to get into the bike lane. A few seconds more and I would have been safe. Life is like that sometimes. Regarding the Tricrusier: It is quite high. Sid Gowdy, the builder, is a very nice guy and quite easy to work with. I can't say enough good things about him or his trike. It was a great trike for local rides and short trips. He was able to gear it low enough that I was able to climb up just about anything. 24/34/44 in the front with 12-28 in the back. Jeff Jeff
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 20:20:13
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:11slv5vjgcff15@news.supernews.com... > > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:Xcidnb4EWPvOKVfenZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@prairiewave.com... >> >> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message >> news:11skdanc6sbtu6b@news.supernews.com... >> >> Edward Dolan Wrote: >> [...] >>>> Jeff, do you think you would have suffered the accident if you had not >>>> been so low on your trike. You had the kind of accident that all of us >>>> who ride low trikes have nightes about. >>>> >>> >>> The Tricruiser is not low at all. It is among the highest of tadpole >>> trikes. Go to >>> >>> www.americruiser.com >>> >>> Where there are both pictures and videos. >>> >>> If I had been on any other tadpole I think I would have been killed. The >>> heavy rear rack on the tricruiser took most of the impact and the fact >>> that the cruiser is so high, I'm sure, saved my life. >> >> I WILL go to a link when it has been introduced with intelligence and set >> up properly as it has been here by Jeff Grippe. >> >> Yes, the Tricruiser is sufficiently high so that was not the cause of the >> accident. All of my recumbent trikes are much lower. I do worry about >> drivers not seeing me, particularly in heavy traffic conditions. >> > > The accident did occur at night and although I had a blinky light, she > does claim to have not seen me. Here is my best guess as to what happened. > Since it all happened behind me, however, I really have no way of knowing > for sure. > > The road that I was on has two lanes. I was stopped at a light and I was > in front of the cars. About 50 yards past the light, the bike lane begins. > When there is no bike lane, I always take the car lane because I don't > want someone to sideswipe me thinking that they can get around me. When > the light was red, I was in front of the cars. The first few cars behind > me could clearly see me. When the light turned green we all took off. The > cars that were behind me moved into the left hand lane to get around me. I > estimate she was four or five cars back. Her error in judgment was in not > realizing that people were moving into the left hand lane to get around a > slow moving obstacle in the right hand lane (me). I think she saw a lane > magically open up and hit the gas. By the time she realized that there was > something in the lane, she was already on top of me. No other explanation > makes such sense to me. Yes, I think you have got it exactly right. The danger is not from the driver immediately behind you, but from the other drivers further back who can't figure out what is delaying traffic. Your best bet would have been to go on the sidewalk at that stop since you did not have a bike lane or a shoulder and the traffic was heavy. > When I got hit I was already beginning to get into the bike lane. A few > seconds more and I would have been safe. Life is like that sometimes. > > Regarding the Tricrusier: It is quite high. Sid Gowdy, the builder, is a > very nice guy and quite easy to work with. I can't say enough good things > about him or his trike. It was a great trike for local rides and short > trips. He was able to gear it low enough that I was able to climb up just > about anything. 24/34/44 in the front with 12-28 in the back. I recall seeing a trike like this many years ago, but it was not called a Tricruiser. It is amazing how certain trikes stay around forever, constantly changing their brand names. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2006 02:50:02
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:ELmdnaZv3MJun1benZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@prairiewave.com... > > "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message > news:11slv5vjgcff15@news.supernews.com... >> >> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message >> news:Xcidnb4EWPvOKVfenZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@prairiewave.com... >>> >>> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message >>> news:11skdanc6sbtu6b@news.supernews.com... >>> >>> Edward Dolan Wrote: >>> [...] >>>>> Jeff, do you think you would have suffered the accident if you had not >>>>> been so low on your trike. You had the kind of accident that all of us >>>>> who ride low trikes have nightes about. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The Tricruiser is not low at all. It is among the highest of tadpole >>>> trikes. Go to >>>> >>>> www.americruiser.com >>>> >>>> Where there are both pictures and videos. >>>> >>>> If I had been on any other tadpole I think I would have been killed. >>>> The heavy rear rack on the tricruiser took most of the impact and the >>>> fact that the cruiser is so high, I'm sure, saved my life. >>> >>> I WILL go to a link when it has been introduced with intelligence and >>> set up properly as it has been here by Jeff Grippe. >>> >>> Yes, the Tricruiser is sufficiently high so that was not the cause of >>> the accident. All of my recumbent trikes are much lower. I do worry >>> about drivers not seeing me, particularly in heavy traffic conditions. >>> >> >> The accident did occur at night and although I had a blinky light, she >> does claim to have not seen me. Here is my best guess as to what >> happened. Since it all happened behind me, however, I really have no way >> of knowing for sure. >> >> The road that I was on has two lanes. I was stopped at a light and I was >> in front of the cars. About 50 yards past the light, the bike lane >> begins. When there is no bike lane, I always take the car lane because I >> don't want someone to sideswipe me thinking that they can get around me. >> When the light was red, I was in front of the cars. The first few cars >> behind me could clearly see me. When the light turned green we all took >> off. The cars that were behind me moved into the left hand lane to get >> around me. I estimate she was four or five cars back. Her error in >> judgment was in not realizing that people were moving into the left hand >> lane to get around a slow moving obstacle in the right hand lane (me). I >> think she saw a lane magically open up and hit the gas. By the time she >> realized that there was something in the lane, she was already on top of >> me. No other explanation makes such sense to me. > > Yes, I think you have got it exactly right. The danger is not from the > driver immediately behind you, but from the other drivers further back who > can't figure out what is delaying traffic. Your best bet would have been > to go on the sidewalk at that stop since you did not have a bike lane or a > shoulder and the traffic was heavy. > There was no sidewalk and besides, it is against the law. I was on the official bike route so I felt safe. In reality safe was only a feeling not a reality. >> When I got hit I was already beginning to get into the bike lane. A few >> seconds more and I would have been safe. Life is like that sometimes. >> >> Regarding the Tricrusier: It is quite high. Sid Gowdy, the builder, is a >> very nice guy and quite easy to work with. I can't say enough good things >> about him or his trike. It was a great trike for local rides and short >> trips. He was able to gear it low enough that I was able to climb up just >> about anything. 24/34/44 in the front with 12-28 in the back. > > I recall seeing a trike like this many years ago, but it was not called a > Tricruiser. It is amazing how certain trikes stay around forever, > constantly changing their brand names. > I don't think that is the case here. Sid is a small, one man shop in San Deigo. There may have been other similar designs but Sid is just Sid. He did change the name of his company from Golden West to Americruiser (must be the ex-ine asserting itself) but the Tricrusier has always been the Tricruiser. > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >
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Date: 16 Jan 2006 14:27:49
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:11smk0ln8duut0c@news.supernews.com... Edward Dolan Wrote: [...] >> Yes, I think you have got it exactly right. The danger is not from the >> driver immediately behind you, but from the other drivers further back >> who can't figure out what is delaying traffic. Your best bet would have >> been to go on the sidewalk at that stop since you did not have a bike >> lane or a shoulder and the traffic was heavy. >> > > There was no sidewalk and besides, it is against the law. I was on the > official bike route so I felt safe. In reality safe was only a feeling not > a reality. It is always OK to get off your bike and walk it on any sidewalk anywhere in the world. Everyone else will respect your intelligence and good sense when you do this. If there is no sidewalk, then take to the shoulder or the ditch. The main thing is to get out of the way of heavy traffic if you do not have a lane to yourself. [...] >>> Regarding the Tricrusier: It is quite high. Sid Gowdy, the builder, is a >>> very nice guy and quite easy to work with. I can't say enough good >>> things about him or his trike. It was a great trike for local rides and >>> short trips. He was able to gear it low enough that I was able to climb >>> up just about anything. 24/34/44 in the front with 12-28 in the back. >> >> I recall seeing a trike like this many years ago, but it was not called a >> Tricruiser. It is amazing how certain trikes stay around forever, >> constantly changing their brand names. >> > > I don't think that is the case here. Sid is a small, one man shop in San > Deigo. There may have been other similar designs but Sid is just Sid. He > did change the name of his company from Golden West to Americruiser (must > be the ex-ine asserting itself) but the Tricrusier has always been the > Tricruiser. That particular configuration you have on your Tricruiser has been around forever. Mr. Sherman will know what the original was called and I could look it up, but as usual I am way too lazy to ever look anything up. ;) Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2006 18:06:12
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:QYCdnbb9vfJbnFHeRVn-pQ@prairiewave.com... > > "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message > news:11smk0ln8duut0c@news.supernews.com... > > Edward Dolan Wrote: > [...] > >>> Yes, I think you have got it exactly right. The danger is not from the >>> driver immediately behind you, but from the other drivers further back >>> who can't figure out what is delaying traffic. Your best bet would have >>> been to go on the sidewalk at that stop since you did not have a bike >>> lane or a shoulder and the traffic was heavy. >>> >> >> There was no sidewalk and besides, it is against the law. I was on the >> official bike route so I felt safe. In reality safe was only a feeling >> not a reality. > > It is always OK to get off your bike and walk it on any sidewalk anywhere > in the world. Everyone else will respect your intelligence and good sense > when you do this. If there is no sidewalk, then take to the shoulder or > the ditch. The main thing is to get out of the way of heavy traffic if you > do not have a lane to yourself. > [...] > I'm sure you are right about this and had I not had a false feeling of safety I certainly would have taken better precautions. No matter what I did, however, on the section of the (busy) road that I was on where I got hit, there is no sidewalk and no shoulder. I think I would have been just as vulnerable walking along the side of the road. I would probably have avoided this particular incident but I think I would still have gotten hit at some point since there is really know adequate separation from the heavy traffic. The bottom line here is that this road should not be an official bike route in the condition that it is in. >>>> Regarding the Tricrusier: It is quite high. Sid Gowdy, the builder, is >>>> a very nice guy and quite easy to work with. I can't say enough good >>>> things about him or his trike. It was a great trike for local rides and >>>> short trips. He was able to gear it low enough that I was able to climb >>>> up just about anything. 24/34/44 in the front with 12-28 in the back. >>> >>> I recall seeing a trike like this many years ago, but it was not called >>> a Tricruiser. It is amazing how certain trikes stay around forever, >>> constantly changing their brand names. >>> >> >> I don't think that is the case here. Sid is a small, one man shop in San >> Deigo. There may have been other similar designs but Sid is just Sid. He >> did change the name of his company from Golden West to Americruiser (must >> be the ex-ine asserting itself) but the Tricrusier has always been the >> Tricruiser. > > That particular configuration you have on your Tricruiser has been around > forever. Mr. Sherman will know what the original was called and I could > look it up, but as usual I am way too lazy to ever look anything up. ;) > Its just a tadpole that was built by someone whose basic experience was hang gliders. I'm sure that there have been lots of similar configurations. All I was saying is that Sid is a small one man operation working out of his garage and not some company that has gone under and re-surfaced. > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > >
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Date: 16 Jan 2006 23:29:59
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:11so9n4evkkbu99@news.supernews.com... > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >>>>> Regarding the Tricrusier: It is quite high. Sid Gowdy, the builder, is >>>>> a very nice guy and quite easy to work with. I can't say enough good >>>>> things about him or his trike. It was a great trike for local rides >>>>> and short trips. He was able to gear it low enough that I was able to >>>>> climb up just about anything. 24/34/44 in the front with 12-28 in the >>>>> back. >>>> >>>> I recall seeing a trike like this many years ago, but it was not called >>>> a Tricruiser. It is amazing how certain trikes stay around forever, >>>> constantly changing their brand names. >>>> >>> >>> I don't think that is the case here. Sid is a small, one man shop in San >>> Deigo. There may have been other similar designs but Sid is just Sid. He >>> did change the name of his company from Golden West to Americruiser >>> (must be the ex-ine asserting itself) but the Tricrusier has always >>> been the Tricruiser. >> >> That particular configuration you have on your Tricruiser has been around >> forever. Mr. Sherman will know what the original was called and I could >> look it up, but as usual I am way too lazy to ever look anything up. ;) >> > > Its just a tadpole that was built by someone whose basic experience was > hang gliders. I'm sure that there have been lots of similar > configurations. All I was saying is that Sid is a small one man operation > working out of his garage and not some company that has gone under and > re-surfaced. Yes, it is a tadpole but one that sits you fairly high and so it is quite different than most other tadpoles which sit you quite low. It resembles the S & B Trike which dates back to 1995 at least. I think the trike sold for about $800. at the time. It was a product of S & B Recumbents of Compton, California. The designers were J. Smith and J. Baker. I refer you to RCN issue no. 26/27 (1995 Buyers Guide), page 34. What basically happened with tadpoles is that the Greenspeed from Australia was very successful (but costly) and all subsequent tadpole manufacturers copied the Greenspeed. Consequently, high sitting tadpoles like your Tricruiser are rare. I have always very much favored delta trikes because I do not like the way tadpoles handle due to the twitchy steering at speed. There is something just so logical about having your steering up front on one wheel and to have your two trailing wheels in the rear. I have never understood the fascination with tadpoles. They seem more like go-carts than bicycles. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Jan 2006 18:51:52
From: HH
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:11sj3qv39v2hv04@news.supernews.com... > On October 26, while riding home from the train station on my trike, I was > hit from behind by a car. The result was a broken back (T8) and a spinal > cord injury. I spent a total of one month in the hospital between the > trauma hospital and the rehab hospital. I have been home since the day > before Thanksgiving. At this point I am walking with a cane and can > actually walk a mile or two on good days. It isn't clear how much I'll get > back but I certainly should get back enough to be riding again. > > Pictures of the post-crash trike can be seen here: > > http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/crashedtrike.msnw > > Pictures of me in my back brace can be seen here: > > http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/superjef.msnw > > I teach a Sunday school class and when the accident occurred it was as if > I suddenly disappeared. I wanted to do something to let me kids know that > I was in good spirits and that I was recovering. That was the reason for > drawing the Superman logo on the back brace. It turned out to be a real > mood elevator for both the staff and the other patients in the rehab > hospital. The whole experience has turned me into a bit of a Superman > collector especially in the apparel department. > > The back brace has been off for over a month now and I am continuing to > slowly heal and improve. > > Jeff Grippe > White Plains, NY > I'm sorry to hear this. It sounds to me as if you are lucky to be able to walk. I'm glad you making a good recovery. After looking at your trike photos I think I would take the "This Bike Fights Diabetes" sign off until the repairs are complete. As it looks now diabetes appears to have won the fight. ;-) I'm wondering after all this you've been through, if you still think trike commuting in NYC is worth it?
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 06:34:40
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"HH" <HH@bigpicture.com > wrote in message news:kt2dncCuJswIAVTenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com... > > "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message > news:11sj3qv39v2hv04@news.supernews.com... >> On October 26, while riding home from the train station on my trike, I >> was hit from behind by a car. The result was a broken back (T8) and a >> spinal cord injury. I spent a total of one month in the hospital between >> the trauma hospital and the rehab hospital. I have been home since the >> day before Thanksgiving. At this point I am walking with a cane and can >> actually walk a mile or two on good days. It isn't clear how much I'll >> get back but I certainly should get back enough to be riding again. >> >> Pictures of the post-crash trike can be seen here: >> >> http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/crashedtrike.msnw >> >> Pictures of me in my back brace can be seen here: >> >> http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/superjef.msnw >> >> I teach a Sunday school class and when the accident occurred it was as if >> I suddenly disappeared. I wanted to do something to let me kids know that >> I was in good spirits and that I was recovering. That was the reason for >> drawing the Superman logo on the back brace. It turned out to be a real >> mood elevator for both the staff and the other patients in the rehab >> hospital. The whole experience has turned me into a bit of a Superman >> collector especially in the apparel department. >> >> The back brace has been off for over a month now and I am continuing to >> slowly heal and improve. >> >> Jeff Grippe >> White Plains, NY >> > > I'm sorry to hear this. It sounds to me as if you are lucky to be able to > walk. I'm glad you making a good recovery. > > After looking at your trike photos I think I would take the "This Bike > Fights Diabetes" sign off until the repairs are complete. As it looks now > diabetes appears to have won the fight. ;-) > > I'm wondering after all this you've been through, if you still think trike > commuting in NYC is worth it? > Worth it? When you put it that way it becomes a difficult question to answer. On the one hand I don't want to let the cars win. On the other hand it is really too long a trip for me to find a safe route. I'm thinking of finding a "less traveled" route to the train station that would give me between 5 and 10 miles each way. Jeff
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 10:26:44
From: HH
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:11skcud7doemm32@news.supernews.com... > > "HH" <HH@bigpicture.com> wrote in message > news:kt2dncCuJswIAVTenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com... >> >> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message >> news:11sj3qv39v2hv04@news.supernews.com... >>> On October 26, while riding home from the train station on my trike, I >>> was hit from behind by a car. The result was a broken back (T8) and a >>> spinal cord injury. I spent a total of one month in the hospital between >>> the trauma hospital and the rehab hospital. I have been home since the >>> day before Thanksgiving. At this point I am walking with a cane and can >>> actually walk a mile or two on good days. It isn't clear how much I'll >>> get back but I certainly should get back enough to be riding again. >>> >>> Pictures of the post-crash trike can be seen here: >>> >>> http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/crashedtrike.msnw >>> >>> Pictures of me in my back brace can be seen here: >>> >>> http://groups.msn.com/grippesphotos/superjef.msnw >>> >>> I teach a Sunday school class and when the accident occurred it was as >>> if I suddenly disappeared. I wanted to do something to let me kids know >>> that I was in good spirits and that I was recovering. That was the >>> reason for drawing the Superman logo on the back brace. It turned out to >>> be a real mood elevator for both the staff and the other patients in the >>> rehab hospital. The whole experience has turned me into a bit of a >>> Superman collector especially in the apparel department. >>> >>> The back brace has been off for over a month now and I am continuing to >>> slowly heal and improve. >>> >>> Jeff Grippe >>> White Plains, NY >>> >> >> I'm sorry to hear this. It sounds to me as if you are lucky to be able >> to walk. I'm glad you making a good recovery. >> >> After looking at your trike photos I think I would take the "This Bike >> Fights Diabetes" sign off until the repairs are complete. As it looks >> now diabetes appears to have won the fight. ;-) >> >> I'm wondering after all this you've been through, if you still think >> trike commuting in NYC is worth it? >> > > Worth it? When you put it that way it becomes a difficult question to > answer. On the one hand I don't want to let the cars win. On the other > hand it is really too long a trip for me to find a safe route. I'm > thinking of finding a "less traveled" route to the train station that > would give me between 5 and 10 miles each way. > > Jeff > You don't want the cars to win? Seems to me that in a crash with a bike, trike, or motorcycle the odds of the car winning are more than overwhelming. Get real not killed. My advice is to find a safer way to work that will put odds of your survival more in your favor. From what I remember of NYC I didn't even feel safe taking a cab ride in that place.
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 12:47:12
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"HH" <HH@bigpicture.com > wrote in message news:k7qdnbU47cAz6lfeRVn-qw@comcast.com... > You don't want the cars to win? Seems to me that in a crash with a bike, > trike, or motorcycle the odds of the car winning are more than > overwhelming. Get real not killed. > > My advice is to find a safer way to work that will put odds of your > survival more in your favor. From what I remember of NYC I didn't even > feel safe taking a cab ride in that place. You are certainly correct. If I give up commuting by bike/trike then my cycling activities will be limited to a few times per year and that is just not acceptable. On the other hand it isn't acceptable to get killed either. My current plan is to resume commuting to the train station by a route that is less traveled. It turns out that the route I had been using ("The official bike route") is in reality a disaster for cyclists. The places where they have chosen to put "Bike Route" signs in White Plains are among the most heavily trafficked road with many of them having no accommodation for bikes at all. The road I got hit on does have a bike lane but there are a few gaps. I got hit in one of them. 2-3 seconds more and I would have been safe in my bike lane. Jeff
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 14:31:51
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:11sl2ounp4aic4@news.supernews.com... [...] > The places where they have chosen to put "Bike Route" signs in White > Plains are among the most heavily trafficked road with many of them having > no accommodation for bikes at all. The road I got hit on does have a bike > lane but there are a few gaps. I got hit in one of them. 2-3 seconds more > and I would have been safe in my bike lane. Bike lanes in heavily congested traffic corridors are not safe. Some idiot will always not see you. I would try to find safe residential streets on which to ride, whether they have bike lanes or not. For the ultimate in safety, you want a bike path of course. When traffic conditions get too bad I have been known to walk my bike on the sidewalk and think nothing of it. Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Jan 2006 19:42:06
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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"HH" <HH@bigpicture.com > wrote in message news:kt2dncCuJswIAVTenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com... [...] > I'm wondering after all this you've been through, if you still think trike > commuting in NYC is worth it? That is an excellent question HH. I know I am very careful about where I ride my low recumbent trikes. But even so, I do fear being hit from behind because I am so low. I try never to get in the roadway with motor vehicles. I will always be very far to the right and preferably on a shoulder. I once did a week long bike tour in Wyoming where there was one recumbent trike. The darn roads there in Wyoming are just two lanes with not much of a shoulder at all. And then the shoulder had those speed bumps in them so that the trike had to ride in the roadway with motor vehicles. I just about had a heart attack worrying about him. He survived but there were many scary moments. These damn big trucks would come up behind him and then had to brake like crazy. The guy on the trike thought he had a right to the road the same as those trucks and he would not get over and those damn speed bumps prevented him from riding on the shoulder like the rest of us. I think the director decided after that experience to prohibit trikes on that ride (Tour de Wyoming). Regards, Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Jan 2006 16:48:01
From: Johnny Sunset
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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Jeff Grippe wrote: > On October 26, while riding home from the train station on my trike, I was > hit from behind by a car. The result was a broken back (T8) and a spinal > cord injury. I spent a total of one month in the hospital between the trauma > hospital and the rehab hospital. I have been home since the day before > Thanksgiving. At this point I am walking with a cane and can actually walk a > mile or two on good days. It isn't clear how much I'll get back but I > certainly should get back enough to be riding again.... I suggest a replacement trike with suspension (to reduce shock to the spine), more crash protection, and more visibility to motorists: <http://www.leitra.dk/ >. -- Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley (For a bit?)
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Date: 15 Jan 2006 06:32:34
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: I can't believe I forgot to post this here
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Funny that you should provide me with a link to the Leitra web site. The trike that I have committed to purchase from someone close to me is a Leitra. I am impressed with that fact that CG has been building them for over 20 years. 8 of them have been in collisions with cars and nobody has been seriously hurt. Good call. Jeff "Johnny Sunset" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1137286081.853885.327360@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Jeff Grippe wrote: >> On October 26, while riding home from the train station on my trike, I >> was >> hit from behind by a car. The result was a broken back (T8) and a spinal >> cord injury. I spent a total of one month in the hospital between the >> trauma >> hospital and the rehab hospital. I have been home since the day before >> Thanksgiving. At this point I am walking with a cane and can actually >> walk a >> mile or two on good days. It isn't clear how much I'll get back but I >> certainly should get back enough to be riding again.... > > I suggest a replacement trike with suspension (to reduce shock to the > spine), more crash protection, and more visibility to motorists: > <http://www.leitra.dk/>. > > -- > Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley (For a bit?) >
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