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Date: 15 Jul 2006 21:15:45
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: It is OK to post to ARBR!

ARBR is an interesting newsgroup because it is such a small group. A
newsgroup like RBM (rec.bicycles.misc) is far less interesting because it is
such a large group. No one ever gets to know anyone much on such a large
group. Members come and go without any rhyme or reason. However, the
advantage of a large group is that it does not much matter who comes and
goes.

A small group like ARBR needs to have some regular members. When a regular
leaves a small group like ARBR it does matter. Anyone but me notice how this
group has gone to hell since Tom Sherman left. He was a regular, in fact,
the most regular member the group ever had in its history. I cannot replace
him because I am here to do nothing but tweak and annoy as many as possible.
In fact, it may be that I have scared off some. But I do not interfere with
on-topic posts. You will normally only encounter me when you get off-topic,
at which point I will swoop down on you like the vulture that I am.

I encourage any and all newbies to post away to your heart's content on this
newsgroup. There are still some regulars here who will be delighted to
respond you. Even I, as Great as I am, have been known to occasionally post
on-topic.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 12 Sep 2006 17:04:28
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

K_S_ONeill wrote:
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> > Kevin O'Neill wrote:
> > > On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:16:27 -0400, "Al K" <kubeluis@atlanticbb.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hi Jim,
> > > >Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom S,
> > > >with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on arbr. Ed
> > > >challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to be a
> > > >nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
> > > >Al K
> > >
> > > Have any of you heard of killfiles, for god's sake? You've got a few
> > > high volume knuckleheads, killfile 'em and get on with life. Sheesh.
>
> For the record, that second sentence was intended to be an if-then, not
> a statement of fact. I don't know the group well enough to say anyone
> is or is not a troll. I guess. I dunno, this Dolan chap does seem to
> be much more noise than signal. Onwards;
>
> > Some people would rather complain and post revisionist history about
> > past events.
>
> Oh sure, arguing, changing history, all that is good fun. The first
> few messages I read seemed to be in a dispairing tone, and made me
> wonder if perhaps a liberal application of kf might raise the happiness
> level.
>
> > The Google archives will reveal that political arguments occurred on
> > alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent before I posted my first message.
>
> My point was more that if anyone, me, you, whomever, is galling anyone,
> him, her, whoever, so much that they feel the need to have long threads
> about how much me or you or whomever are bugging him or her or whoever,
> him or her or whoever might be better served by killfiling me or you or
> whomever than endlessly arguing, since that's not called "feeding the
> troll" for nothing. If you see what I mean.

If someone posts something untrue about me that is a matter of fact and
not opinion (i.e. libel), I will certainly rebut is. In this case, it
was stupid to post something that can be easily disproved with a simple
search of the Google Group archives.

--
Tom Sherman - Here, not there.

Date: 12 Sep 2006 13:21:05
From: K_S_ONeill
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
> Kevin O'Neill wrote:
> > On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:16:27 -0400, "Al K" <kubeluis@atlanticbb.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Hi Jim,
> > >Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom S,
> > >with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on arbr. Ed
> > >challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to be a
> > >nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
> > >Al K
> >
> > Have any of you heard of killfiles, for god's sake? You've got a few
> > high volume knuckleheads, killfile 'em and get on with life. Sheesh.

For the record, that second sentence was intended to be an if-then, not
a statement of fact. I don't know the group well enough to say anyone
is or is not a troll. I guess. I dunno, this Dolan chap does seem to
be much more noise than signal. Onwards;

> Some people would rather complain and post revisionist history about
> past events.

Oh sure, arguing, changing history, all that is good fun. The first
few messages I read seemed to be in a dispairing tone, and made me
wonder if perhaps a liberal application of kf might raise the happiness
level.

> The Google archives will reveal that political arguments occurred on
> alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent before I posted my first message.

My point was more that if anyone, me, you, whomever, is galling anyone,
him, her, whoever, so much that they feel the need to have long threads
about how much me or you or whomever are bugging him or her or whoever,
him or her or whoever might be better served by killfiling me or you or
whomever than endlessly arguing, since that's not called "feeding the
troll" for nothing. If you see what I mean.

--
Kevin

Date: 12 Sep 2006 18:14:21
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

"K_S_ONeill" <K_S_ONeill@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1158092465.049559.184570@e63g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>> Kevin O'Neill wrote:
>> > On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:16:27 -0400, "Al K" <kubeluis@atlanticbb.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >Hi Jim,
>> > >Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom
>> > >S,
>> > >with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on
>> > >arbr. Ed
>> > >challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to
>> > >be a
>> > >nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
>> > >Al K
>> >
>> > Have any of you heard of killfiles, for god's sake? You've got a few
>> > high volume knuckleheads, killfile 'em and get on with life. Sheesh.
>
> For the record, that second sentence was intended to be an if-then, not
> a statement of fact. I don't know the group well enough to say anyone
> is or is not a troll. I guess. I dunno, this Dolan chap does seem to
> be much more noise than signal. Onwards;

Ed Dolan, more noise than signal? You have got that exactly backwards. Once
you get on my wave length, you will quickly realize that you are in the
realm of the gods and have left this mundane earth far behind you.

>> Some people would rather complain and post revisionist history about
>> past events.
>
> Oh sure, arguing, changing history, all that is good fun. The first
> few messages I read seemed to be in a dispairing tone, and made me
> wonder if perhaps a liberal application of kf might raise the happiness
> level.

The tone you detect is what I have freely given to this newsgroup, otherwise
known as ARBR. I do not even charge for my civilizing services, such is the
largess of my spirit.

>> The Google archives will reveal that political arguments occurred on
>> alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent before I posted my first message.
>
> My point was more that if anyone, me, you, whomever, is galling anyone,
> him, her, whoever, so much that they feel the need to have long threads
> about how much me or you or whomever are bugging him or her or whoever,
> him or her or whoever might be better served by killfiling me or you or
> whomever than endlessly arguing, since that's not called "feeding the
> troll" for nothing. If you see what I mean.

Nay, it is far, far better to feed the troll so everyone can be amused and
not fall into despair. I once knew a guy who fell into despair and he went
down to his dirt floor cellar and hung himself from a rafter. Minnesota and
Wisconsin are notorious for these type of suicides in the dead of winter.
Only the nation of Finland is worse in this regard.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 13 Sep 2006 02:41:54
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "K_S_ONeill" <K_S_ONeill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1158092465.049559.184570@e63g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> Kevin O'Neill wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:16:27 -0400, "Al K" <kubeluis@atlanticbb.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>> Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom
>>>>> S,
>>>>> with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on
>>>>> arbr. Ed
>>>>> challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to
>>>>> be a
>>>>> nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
>>>>> Al K
>>>> Have any of you heard of killfiles, for god's sake? You've got a few
>>>> high volume knuckleheads, killfile 'em and get on with life. Sheesh.
>> For the record, that second sentence was intended to be an if-then, not
>> a statement of fact. I don't know the group well enough to say anyone
>> is or is not a troll. I guess. I dunno, this Dolan chap does seem to
>> be much more noise than signal. Onwards;
>
> Ed Dolan, more noise than signal? You have got that exactly backwards. Once
> you get on my wave length, you will quickly realize that you are in the
> realm of the gods and have left this mundane earth far behind you.
>
>>> Some people would rather complain and post revisionist history about
>>> past events.
>> Oh sure, arguing, changing history, all that is good fun. The first
>> few messages I read seemed to be in a dispairing tone, and made me
>> wonder if perhaps a liberal application of kf might raise the happiness
>> level.
>
> The tone you detect is what I have freely given to this newsgroup, otherwise
> known as ARBR. I do not even charge for my civilizing services, such is the
> largess of my spirit.
>
>>> The Google archives will reveal that political arguments occurred on
>>> alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent before I posted my first message.
>> My point was more that if anyone, me, you, whomever, is galling anyone,
>> him, her, whoever, so much that they feel the need to have long threads
>> about how much me or you or whomever are bugging him or her or whoever,
>> him or her or whoever might be better served by killfiling me or you or
>> whomever than endlessly arguing, since that's not called "feeding the
>> troll" for nothing. If you see what I mean.
>
> Nay, it is far, far better to feed the troll so everyone can be amused and
> not fall into despair. I once knew a guy who fell into despair and he went
> down to his dirt floor cellar and hung himself from a rafter. Minnesota and
> Wisconsin are notorious for these type of suicides in the dead of winter.
> Only the nation of Finland is worse in this regard.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
Ed,
I finally totally kill filed that idiot Brickston, so the only way I am
going to see him is if somebody else takes the bait. I can filter on the
'from' field but not the content of the message.
Better than nothing.
Bill Baka

Date: 13 Sep 2006 02:59:18
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

"Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message
news:SdKNg.672$e66.313@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "K_S_ONeill" <K_S_ONeill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1158092465.049559.184570@e63g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>> Kevin O'Neill wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:16:27 -0400, "Al K" <kubeluis@atlanticbb.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>> Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom
>>>>>> S,
>>>>>> with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on
>>>>>> arbr. Ed
>>>>>> challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to
>>>>>> be a
>>>>>> nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
>>>>>> Al K
>>>>> Have any of you heard of killfiles, for god's sake? You've got a few
>>>>> high volume knuckleheads, killfile 'em and get on with life. Sheesh.
>>> For the record, that second sentence was intended to be an if-then, not
>>> a statement of fact. I don't know the group well enough to say anyone
>>> is or is not a troll. I guess. I dunno, this Dolan chap does seem to
>>> be much more noise than signal. Onwards;
>>
>> Ed Dolan, more noise than signal? You have got that exactly backwards.
>> Once you get on my wave length, you will quickly realize that you are in
>> the realm of the gods and have left this mundane earth far behind you.
>>
>>>> Some people would rather complain and post revisionist history about
>>>> past events.
>>> Oh sure, arguing, changing history, all that is good fun. The first
>>> few messages I read seemed to be in a dispairing tone, and made me
>>> wonder if perhaps a liberal application of kf might raise the happiness
>>> level.
>>
>> The tone you detect is what I have freely given to this newsgroup,
>> otherwise known as ARBR. I do not even charge for my civilizing services,
>> such is the largess of my spirit.
>>
>>>> The Google archives will reveal that political arguments occurred on
>>>> alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent before I posted my first message.
>>> My point was more that if anyone, me, you, whomever, is galling anyone,
>>> him, her, whoever, so much that they feel the need to have long threads
>>> about how much me or you or whomever are bugging him or her or whoever,
>>> him or her or whoever might be better served by killfiling me or you or
>>> whomever than endlessly arguing, since that's not called "feeding the
>>> troll" for nothing. If you see what I mean.
>>
>> Nay, it is far, far better to feed the troll so everyone can be amused
>> and not fall into despair. I once knew a guy who fell into despair and he
>> went down to his dirt floor cellar and hung himself from a rafter.
>> Minnesota and Wisconsin are notorious for these type of suicides in the
>> dead of winter. Only the nation of Finland is worse in this regard.
>
> Ed,
> I finally totally kill filed that idiot Brickston, so the only way I am
> going to see him is if somebody else takes the bait. I can filter on the
> 'from' field but not the content of the message.
> Better than nothing.

Brickston is far from being an idiot. In fact, he is quite intelligent and
you need someone like him to keep you on the straight and narrow (just as
Mr. Tom Sherman needs me to keep him on the straight and narrow).

I have my followers too who pester me from time to time, but I consider it a
complement to me. I am never insulted by what anyone says to me or about me.
If I were, I would immediately leave these newsgroups never to return. What
a loss that would be for everyone. Nay, I feel obliged to hang in here for
the benefit of my thousands of admirers.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 13 Sep 2006 17:31:41
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
>> Ed,
>> I finally totally kill filed that idiot Brickston, so the only way I am
>> going to see him is if somebody else takes the bait. I can filter on the
>> 'from' field but not the content of the message.
>> Better than nothing.
>
> Brickston is far from being an idiot. In fact, he is quite intelligent and
> you need someone like him to keep you on the straight and narrow (just as
> Mr. Tom Sherman needs me to keep him on the straight and narrow).

Yeah, maybe not an idiot, just a pure bred asshole. If he thinks I am
BS'ing about everything I post, he just hasn't lived or maybe grew up in
a monestary. If they kept records I am in the books of the McHenry, Ill.
police at least 3 times. There was the tricycle thing where they brought
me home, once that I walked into town at about 5 with a friend to go to
a soda fountain (when they existed) and order a chocolate Coke, and
another where I faked a nap in Kindergarten and went across the street
to my sister's high school and got caught. It continues on from there.
I really have done almost everything a person could do growing up and
then some, short of what I could have done with money. Just for what
it's worth, my best friend and neighbor back then was a little Mexican
kid named Pacheco.
Bill Baka
>
> I have my followers too who pester me from time to time, but I consider it a
> complement to me. I am never insulted by what anyone says to me or about me.
> If I were, I would immediately leave these newsgroups never to return. What
> a loss that would be for everyone. Nay, I feel obliged to hang in here for
> the benefit of my thousands of admirers.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>

Date: 15 Sep 2006 05:47:19
From: Roger Houston
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

"Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message
news:1gXNg.1385$7I1.905@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> Just for what it's worth, my best friend and neighbor back then was a
> little Mexican kid named Pacheco.

He must be so proud of you now.

I'll bet some of your best friends are Jews, too, right?

Date: 15 Sep 2006 11:18:47
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

Roger Houston wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
> news:1gXNg.1385$7I1.905@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> Just for what it's worth, my best friend and neighbor back then was a
>> little Mexican kid named Pacheco.
>
> He must be so proud of you now.
>
> I'll bet some of your best friends are Jews, too, right?
>
>
I dated a Jewish girl in college buy her parents said no more because I
wasn't a Jew by blood or religion.
Bill Baka

Date: 15 Sep 2006 13:47:18
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:18:47 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote:

>Roger Houston wrote:
>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
>> news:1gXNg.1385$7I1.905@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Just for what it's worth, my best friend and neighbor back then was a
>>> little Mexican kid named Pacheco.
>>
>> He must be so proud of you now.
>>
>> I'll bet some of your best friends are Jews, too, right?
>>
>>
>I dated a Jewish girl in college buy her parents said no more because I
>wasn't a Jew by blood or religion.
>Bill Baka

Billy, they were just using that as an excuse to get you away from the
daughter.

Date: 13 Sep 2006 17:32:03
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

"Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message
news:1gXNg.1385$7I1.905@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
>>> Ed,
>>> I finally totally kill filed that idiot Brickston, so the only way I am
>>> going to see him is if somebody else takes the bait. I can filter on the
>>> 'from' field but not the content of the message.
>>> Better than nothing.
>>
>> Brickston is far from being an idiot. In fact, he is quite intelligent
>> and you need someone like him to keep you on the straight and narrow
>> (just as Mr. Tom Sherman needs me to keep him on the straight and
>> narrow).
>
> Yeah, maybe not an idiot, just a pure bred asshole. If he thinks I am
> BS'ing about everything I post, he just hasn't lived or maybe grew up in a
> monestary. If they kept records I am in the books of the McHenry, Ill.
> police at least 3 times. There was the tricycle thing where they brought
> me home, once that I walked into town at about 5 with a friend to go to a
> soda fountain (when they existed) and order a chocolate Coke, and another
> where I faked a nap in Kindergarten and went across the street to my
> sister's high school and got caught. It continues on from there.
> I really have done almost everything a person could do growing up and then
> some, short of what I could have done with money. Just for what it's
> worth, my best friend and neighbor back then was a little Mexican kid
> named Pacheco.

Well, I am bamboozled for sure. My life has been just one long snooze
compared to yours. I am the original Rip van Winkle.

Unlike Brickston, I do not doubt any of what you say. No one could possibly
make up your adventures. I vel that you could have had such an exciting
life.

I was born with fear instilled in me and I have never done anything much.
All of my adventures have been strictly mental. I have spent my life reading
books and listening to classical music. Yup, that is it except for the
period in my 30's when I spend 10 years wandering the Western U.S. hiking
and camping for 10 years straight. That was as good as life ever got for me.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 14 Sep 2006 03:38:08
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
> news:1gXNg.1385$7I1.905@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
>>>> Ed,
>>>> I finally totally kill filed that idiot Brickston, so the only way I am
>>>> going to see him is if somebody else takes the bait. I can filter on the
>>>> 'from' field but not the content of the message.
>>>> Better than nothing.
>>> Brickston is far from being an idiot. In fact, he is quite intelligent
>>> and you need someone like him to keep you on the straight and narrow
>>> (just as Mr. Tom Sherman needs me to keep him on the straight and
>>> narrow).
>> Yeah, maybe not an idiot, just a pure bred asshole. If he thinks I am
>> BS'ing about everything I post, he just hasn't lived or maybe grew up in a
>> monestary. If they kept records I am in the books of the McHenry, Ill.
>> police at least 3 times. There was the tricycle thing where they brought
>> me home, once that I walked into town at about 5 with a friend to go to a
>> soda fountain (when they existed) and order a chocolate Coke, and another
>> where I faked a nap in Kindergarten and went across the street to my
>> sister's high school and got caught. It continues on from there.
>> I really have done almost everything a person could do growing up and then
>> some, short of what I could have done with money. Just for what it's
>> worth, my best friend and neighbor back then was a little Mexican kid
>> named Pacheco.
>
> Well, I am bamboozled for sure. My life has been just one long snooze
> compared to yours. I am the original Rip van Winkle.
>
> Unlike Brickston, I do not doubt any of what you say. No one could possibly
> make up your adventures. I vel that you could have had such an exciting
> life.

I only vel at the fact I haven't killed myself yet. For some reason
danger gives me a real sense of being alive, and that can be by driving
cars, motorcycles, or even bicycles at insane speeds, or even in some
cases encountering bears in the woods. I have seen some but keep my
distance. Lot's of deer, few bears, no Cougars so far.
Bill Baka
>
> I was born with fear instilled in me and I have never done anything much.
> All of my adventures have been strictly mental. I have spent my life reading
> books and listening to classical music. Yup, that is it except for the
> period in my 30's when I spend 10 years wandering the Western U.S. hiking
> and camping for 10 years straight. That was as good as life ever got for me.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>

Date: 15 Sep 2006 05:53:54
From: Roger Houston
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

"Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message
news:A84Og.664$Ij.435@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>
> I only vel at the fact I haven't killed myself yet.

That is not really anything to be veled at because it would require at
least some degree of competence.

Date: 15 Sep 2006 11:20:14
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

Roger Houston wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
> news:A84Og.664$Ij.435@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>> I only vel at the fact I haven't killed myself yet.
>
> That is not really anything to be veled at because it would require at
> least some degree of competence.
>
>
I probably have more than anyone here. 57 is not easy to attain, much
less perfectly healthy.
Bill Baka

Date: 15 Sep 2006 13:46:34
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:20:14 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote:

>Roger Houston wrote:
>> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
>> news:A84Og.664$Ij.435@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>>> I only vel at the fact I haven't killed myself yet.
>>
>> That is not really anything to be veled at because it would require at
>> least some degree of competence.
>>
>>
>I probably have more than anyone here. 57 is not easy to attain, much
>less perfectly healthy.
>Bill Baka

Well, you have enough competence to be the Emperor of your own planet.

Date: 14 Sep 2006 05:33:33
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

"Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message
news:A84Og.664$Ij.435@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> Unlike Brickston, I do not doubt any of what you say. No one could
>> possibly make up your adventures. I vel that you could have had such
>> an exciting life.
>
> I only vel at the fact I haven't killed myself yet. For some reason
> danger gives me a real sense of being alive, and that can be by driving
> cars, motorcycles, or even bicycles at insane speeds, or even in some
> cases encountering bears in the woods. I have seen some but keep my
> distance. Lot's of deer, few bears, no Cougars so far.
> Bill Baka

Bill, you and I are polar opposites. Every society needs risk takers and
warriors which is what I think you are. But every society also needs more
sane types like myself who hang back and reflect.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

>> I was born with fear instilled in me and I have never done anything much.
>> All of my adventures have been strictly mental. I have spent my life
>> reading books and listening to classical music. Yup, that is it except
>> for the period in my 30's when I spend 10 years wandering the Western
>> U.S. hiking and camping. That was as good as life ever got for me.

Date: 14 Sep 2006 16:01:09
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
> news:A84Og.664$Ij.435@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>>> Unlike Brickston, I do not doubt any of what you say. No one could
>>> possibly make up your adventures. I vel that you could have had such
>>> an exciting life.
>> I only vel at the fact I haven't killed myself yet. For some reason
>> danger gives me a real sense of being alive, and that can be by driving
>> cars, motorcycles, or even bicycles at insane speeds, or even in some
>> cases encountering bears in the woods. I have seen some but keep my
>> distance. Lot's of deer, few bears, no Cougars so far.
>> Bill Baka
>
> Bill, you and I are polar opposites. Every society needs risk takers and
> warriors which is what I think you are. But every society also needs more
> sane types like myself who hang back and reflect.

As long as I live I will be a freedom advocate, no mandatory helmet
laws, and repeal the 'Patriot Act', getting too much like big brother
from Orson Welles (George Orwell) 1984. Cameras everywhere. 2 years ago
it was estimated that the average city dweller is on camera at least 35
times a day. What do you think it is now. The government is tracking
everybody and has a database on every ATM machine, phone call, VOIP
(Internet phone) and credit card transaction you make, just to name a
few. They claim it is only terrorists but I can smell bullshit miles
away. Wonderful 21st Century. Even cell phones with GpS are wired to
report their exact location, supposedly for 911 service, but they can
track you without even ringing the phone in your pocket. I have an old
1999 phone without gadgets and that is all I want to do, make a phone call.
Bill Baka
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>>> I was born with fear instilled in me and I have never done anything much.
>>> All of my adventures have been strictly mental. I have spent my life
>>> reading books and listening to classical music. Yup, that is it except
>>> for the period in my 30's when I spend 10 years wandering the Western
>>> U.S. hiking and camping. That was as good as life ever got for me.
>
>

Date: 13 Sep 2006 18:29:34
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 17:31:41 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote:

>
>Yeah, maybe not an idiot, just a pure bred asshole. If he thinks I am
>BS'ing about everything I post, he just hasn't lived or maybe grew up in
>a monestary.

> If they kept records I am in the books of the McHenry, Ill.
>police at least 3 times.

A whole three times? You're joking, that number gives bragging rights?

>There was the tricycle thing where they brought
>me home,

This is the episode where you later admitted you lied about.

>once that I walked into town at about 5 with a friend to go to
>a soda fountain (when they existed) and order a chocolate Coke,

Good Lord! Have you called the Guinness Book of Records yet?

>and
>another where I faked a nap in Kindergarten and went across the street
>to my sister's high school and got caught.

Oh, my! Isn't this how Clyde Barrow started out?

>It continues on from there.
>I really have done almost everything a person could do growing up and
>then some, short of what I could have done with money.

I hate to inform you, but you really have done nothing very exciting
or even that dangerous.

>Just for what
>it's worth, my best friend and neighbor back then was a little Mexican
>kid named Pacheco.
>Bill "I'm not a racist, really I'm not" Baka

So, according to Mr. Billy Baka, just about everyone else on the
entire usenet has never, ever done anything remotely as exciting as
he. This is evidenced by the fact that just about everyone else on the
entire usenet has never, ever posted their entire episodic life
history. Because, apparently, only Billy Baka has one to post.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 18:43:11
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

Ed,

Look in a mirror. You are the fool who thinks ARBR is his to do with
as he pleases and you have taken over and dominated this newsgroup.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that what the All-Time High Poster
to ARBR thread was about. What a hypocrite.

So how was your vacation when I was on vacation? I'm back at least for
the time being.

Yep ... top posting, again ... Jim McNaa

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157925817.831598.288000@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Kevin O'Neill wrote:
> >> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:16:27 -0400, "Al K" <kubeluis@atlanticbb.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hi Jim,
> >> >Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom S,
> >> >with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on arbr.
> >> >Ed
> >> >challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to be
> >> >a
> >> >nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
> >> >Al K
> >>
> >> Have any of you heard of killfiles, for god's sake? You've got a few
> >> high volume knuckleheads, killfile 'em and get on with life. Sheesh.
> >
> > Some people would rather complain and post revisionist history about
> > past events.
> >
> > The Google archives will reveal that political arguments occurred on
> > alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent before I posted my first message.
>
> Mr. Sherman, who knows more about ARBR than any other person extant, is
> quite correct of course. There have not been any prolonged political
> discussions on ARBR for quite some time now and I hope it stays that way.
> But I am always at the ready to take on any liberal fool who thinks ARBR is
> his to do with as he pleases. We NEVER want to return to the days when
> liberals were given free reign on this newsgroup.
>
> Both Mr. Sherman and I were and are priily responders. It is a good thing
> we are or we would take over and dominate this newsgroup. But we only try to
> keep ARBR intelligent and do not allow fools to take it over, like they have
> so many other newsgroups.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 12 Sep 2006 16:03:12
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157938991.922017.18010@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

> Ed,
>
> Look in a mirror. You are the fool who thinks ARBR is his to do with
> as he pleases and you have taken over and dominated this newsgroup.
> Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that what the All-Time High Poster
> to ARBR thread was about. What a hypocrite.
>
> So how was your vacation when I was on vacation? I'm back at least for
> the time being.

Every day of my life is a vacation since I passed the age of 30 some 40
years ago and stopped being a slave to work and a job. However, I do not
recommend this course for most folks. Only very superior types like myself
are capable of it. The rest of you, if you tried it, would drive yourselves
crazy for want of something to do.

I grow old . I grow old .
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.

T.S.Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1157925817.831598.288000@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Kevin O'Neill wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:16:27 -0400, "Al K" <kubeluis@atlanticbb.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Hi Jim,
>> >> >Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom
>> >> >S,
>> >> >with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on
>> >> >arbr.
>> >> >Ed
>> >> >challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to
>> >> >be
>> >> >a
>> >> >nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
>> >> >Al K
>> >>
>> >> Have any of you heard of killfiles, for god's sake? You've got a few
>> >> high volume knuckleheads, killfile 'em and get on with life. Sheesh.
>> >
>> > Some people would rather complain and post revisionist history about
>> > past events.
>> >
>> > The Google archives will reveal that political arguments occurred on
>> > alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent before I posted my first message.
>>
>> Mr. Sherman, who knows more about ARBR than any other person extant, is
>> quite correct of course. There have not been any prolonged political
>> discussions on ARBR for quite some time now and I hope it stays that way.
>> But I am always at the ready to take on any liberal fool who thinks ARBR
>> is
>> his to do with as he pleases. We NEVER want to return to the days when
>> liberals were given free reign on this newsgroup.
>>
>> Both Mr. Sherman and I were and are priily responders. It is a good
>> thing
>> we are or we would take over and dominate this newsgroup. But we only try
>> to
>> keep ARBR intelligent and do not allow fools to take it over, like they
>> have
>> so many other newsgroups.

Date: 10 Sep 2006 15:03:37
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

Kevin O'Neill wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:16:27 -0400, "Al K" <kubeluis@atlanticbb.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi Jim,
> >Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom S,
> >with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on arbr. Ed
> >challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to be a
> >nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
> >Al K
>
> Have any of you heard of killfiles, for god's sake? You've got a few
> high volume knuckleheads, killfile 'em and get on with life. Sheesh.

Some people would rather complain and post revisionist history about
past events.

The Google archives will reveal that political arguments occurred on
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent before I posted my first message.

--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!

Date: 10 Sep 2006 19:02:29
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157925817.831598.288000@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> Kevin O'Neill wrote:
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:16:27 -0400, "Al K" <kubeluis@atlanticbb.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Hi Jim,
>> >Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom S,
>> >with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on arbr.
>> >Ed
>> >challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to be
>> >a
>> >nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
>> >Al K
>>
>> Have any of you heard of killfiles, for god's sake? You've got a few
>> high volume knuckleheads, killfile 'em and get on with life. Sheesh.
>
> Some people would rather complain and post revisionist history about
> past events.
>
> The Google archives will reveal that political arguments occurred on
> alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent before I posted my first message.

Mr. Sherman, who knows more about ARBR than any other person extant, is
quite correct of course. There have not been any prolonged political
discussions on ARBR for quite some time now and I hope it stays that way.
But I am always at the ready to take on any liberal fool who thinks ARBR is
his to do with as he pleases. We NEVER want to return to the days when
liberals were given free reign on this newsgroup.

Both Mr. Sherman and I were and are priily responders. It is a good thing
we are or we would take over and dominate this newsgroup. But we only try to
keep ARBR intelligent and do not allow fools to take it over, like they have
so many other newsgroups.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 14 Aug 2006 09:58:23
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1155519068.417838.112050@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >
> >> Jimbo strikes me as a high school kid who is permanently stuck at that
> >> age.
> >> He loves to read his own writing and does not care to connect with
> >> anyone.
> >> Word play is not the same thing as communicating.
> >
> > Once again ... opinoin stated as fact from someone whom I have
> > repeatedly told that his opinions don't mean SHIT!!!
>
> But my opinions matter because I am highly intelligent and your opinions
> don't matter since you are stuck at the high school level. If and when I
> want to know what high school kids think, then I will defer to you.

An opinion regarding your opinions. Could anything possibly be more
worthless?

> > Ed is an admitted hermit who has indicated that he has no use for his
> > fellow man except for the aritfacts he produces and he has the gall to
> > lecture me about connecting with others. Get real ... Ed. Have you
> > forgotten your own words regarding how you really really feel. Allow
> > me to remind you...
>
> We hermits are unjustly castigated. I have always liked to be alone. Is this
> such a great sin? I have spent my life listening to the great masterpieces
> of Beethoven et al. I have simply never had any use for people. They have
> always proven themselves to be a pain in the the royal neck and ass. I
> prefer to contemplate the eternal verities unencumbered by any actual
> relationships with real people. What is so wrong about this?

If you have no use for people why bother with them here. As ususal,
your rationalization make no sense.

> > "I frankly do not have the slightest idea what newsgroups are all
> > about."
> >
> > "Usenet is strictly for idiots, assholes and jerks - positively no
> > exceptions! When I am on Usenet I try to be the biggest idiot, asshole
> > and jerk of them all. I set the standard for one and all. I believe I
> > can state with absolute assurance that I am the Greatest Idiot, the
> > Greatest Asshole and the Greatest Jerk that Usenet has ever known in
> > its' long and dishonored history. For Christ's sakes, I prove it every
> > time I post. Can't any of you poor bastards read?"
> >
> > Readers, does this sound like someone who should be lecturing anyone
> > about word play, communication or connecting with others???
>
> Yes, actually it does! I have risen above the common run of mankind. You
> need to listen to me most carefully to get a perspective that you would
> otherwise never get. I have no ego at all and I do not care what others
> think of me. I know what I think of myself and that is all that matters to
> me. The rest of you can benefit greatly from my lack of ego. Poor Jimbo can
> never escape the drags of his own ego. He is very much like Ed Gin that way.

You don't have an ego??? Thanks for the best joke that I've heard in
quite some time. The only way you will ever escape your ego is by
death ... an event that the ARBR readership will celebrate. You still
are operating from the basic misconception that the readership can
benefit from your alleged wisdom whereas what they coud benefit by is
your absence. Begone ... TROLL!!!

Jim McNaa

Date: 16 Aug 2006 04:50:19
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1155574703.494018.205170@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> > Ed is an admitted hermit who has indicated that he has no use for his
>> > fellow man except for the aritfacts he produces and he has the gall to
>> > lecture me about connecting with others. Get real ... Ed. Have you
>> > forgotten your own words regarding how you really really feel. Allow
>> > me to remind you...
>>
>> We hermits are unjustly castigated. I have always liked to be alone. Is
>> this
>> such a great sin? I have spent my life listening to the great
>> masterpieces
>> of Beethoven et al. I have simply never had any use for people. They have
>> always proven themselves to be a pain in the the royal neck and ass. I
>> prefer to contemplate the eternal verities unencumbered by any actual
>> relationships with real people. What is so wrong about this?
>
> If you have no use for people why bother with them here. As ususal,
> your rationalization make no sense.

I do not bother with people anymore here than I do in real life. I am only
bothering (ever so slightly) with their artifacts, i.e., what they write in
their messages.

>> > "I frankly do not have the slightest idea what newsgroups are all
>> > about."
>> >
>> > "Usenet is strictly for idiots, assholes and jerks - positively no
>> > exceptions! When I am on Usenet I try to be the biggest idiot, asshole
>> > and jerk of them all. I set the standard for one and all. I believe I
>> > can state with absolute assurance that I am the Greatest Idiot, the
>> > Greatest Asshole and the Greatest Jerk that Usenet has ever known in
>> > its' long and dishonored history. For Christ's sakes, I prove it every
>> > time I post. Can't any of you poor bastards read?"
>> >
>> > Readers, does this sound like someone who should be lecturing anyone
>> > about word play, communication or connecting with others???
>>
>> Yes, actually it does! I have risen above the common run of mankind. You
>> need to listen to me most carefully to get a perspective that you would
>> otherwise never get. I have no ego at all and I do not care what others
>> think of me. I know what I think of myself and that is all that matters
>> to
>> me. The rest of you can benefit greatly from my lack of ego. Poor Jimbo
>> can
>> never escape the drag of his own ego. He is very much like Ed Gin that
>> way.
>
> You don't have an ego??? Thanks for the best joke that I've heard in
> quite some time. The only way you will ever escape your ego is by
> death ... an event that the ARBR readership will celebrate. You still
> are operating from the basic misconception that the readership can
> benefit from your alleged wisdom whereas what they coud benefit by is
> your absence. Begone ... TROLL!!!

I could not kid about myself and others the way I do if I were the least bit
insecure in my own ego. You should forget about your own sensitivities and
concentrate on others for a change. You would find it quite liberating. I
only get concerned with myself when something important is at stake. Nothing
important is ever at stake on Usenet.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 13 Aug 2006 18:31:08
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Edward Dolan wrote:

> Jimbo strikes me as a high school kid who is permanently stuck at that age.
> He loves to read his own writing and does not care to connect with anyone.
> Word play is not the same thing as communicating.

Once again ... opinoin stated as fact from someone whom I have
repeatedly told that his opinions don't mean SHIT!!!

Ed is an admitted hermit who has indicated that he has no use for his
fellow man except for the aritfacts he produces and he has the gall to
lecture me about connecting with others. Get real ... Ed. Have you
forgotten your own words regarding how you really really feel. Allow
me to remind you...

"I frankly do not have the slightest idea what newsgroups are all
about."

"Usenet is strictly for idiots, assholes and jerks - positively no
exceptions! When I am on Usenet I try to be the biggest idiot, asshole
and jerk of them all. I set the standard for one and all. I believe I
can state with absolute assurance that I am the Greatest Idiot, the
Greatest Asshole and the Greatest Jerk that Usenet has ever known in
its' long and dishonored history. For Christ's sakes, I prove it every
time I post. Can't any of you poor bastards read?"

Readers, does this sound like someone who should be lecturing anyone
about word play, communication or connecting with others???

Jim McNaa

Date: 13 Aug 2006 21:06:32
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1155519068.417838.112050@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>> Jimbo strikes me as a high school kid who is permanently stuck at that
>> age.
>> He loves to read his own writing and does not care to connect with
>> anyone.
>> Word play is not the same thing as communicating.
>
> Once again ... opinoin stated as fact from someone whom I have
> repeatedly told that his opinions don't mean SHIT!!!

But my opinions matter because I am highly intelligent and your opinions
don't matter since you are stuck at the high school level. If and when I
want to know what high school kids think, then I will defer to you.

> Ed is an admitted hermit who has indicated that he has no use for his
> fellow man except for the aritfacts he produces and he has the gall to
> lecture me about connecting with others. Get real ... Ed. Have you
> forgotten your own words regarding how you really really feel. Allow
> me to remind you...

We hermits are unjustly castigated. I have always liked to be alone. Is this
such a great sin? I have spent my life listening to the great masterpieces
of Beethoven et al. I have simply never had any use for people. They have
always proven themselves to be a pain in the the royal neck and ass. I
prefer to contemplate the eternal verities unencumbered by any actual
relationships with real people. What is so wrong about this?

> "I frankly do not have the slightest idea what newsgroups are all
> about."
>
> "Usenet is strictly for idiots, assholes and jerks - positively no
> exceptions! When I am on Usenet I try to be the biggest idiot, asshole
> and jerk of them all. I set the standard for one and all. I believe I
> can state with absolute assurance that I am the Greatest Idiot, the
> Greatest Asshole and the Greatest Jerk that Usenet has ever known in
> its' long and dishonored history. For Christ's sakes, I prove it every
> time I post. Can't any of you poor bastards read?"
>
> Readers, does this sound like someone who should be lecturing anyone
> about word play, communication or connecting with others???

Yes, actually it does! I have risen above the common run of mankind. You
need to listen to me most carefully to get a perspective that you would
otherwise never get. I have no ego at all and I do not care what others
think of me. I know what I think of myself and that is all that matters to
me. The rest of you can benefit greatly from my lack of ego. Poor Jimbo can
never escape the drags of his own ego. He is very much like Ed Gin that way.

Here it is again for all of you who cannot read carefully:

> "Usenet is strictly for idiots, assholes and jerks - positively no
> exceptions! When I am on Usenet I try to be the biggest idiot, asshole
> and jerk of them all. I set the standard for one and all. I believe I
> can state with absolute assurance that I am the Greatest Idiot, the
> Greatest Asshole and the Greatest Jerk that Usenet has ever known in
> its' long and dishonored history. For Christ's sakes, I prove it every
> time I post. Can't any of you poor bastards read?" - Ed Dolan

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 06 Aug 2006 09:48:29
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1154468150.628067.281090@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
> >> > As for no longer being longwinded and eschewing former highfaluting
> >> > verbiage, allow me to prove you wrong again Ed...
> >>
> >> I did not read past this point since you periodically revert to
> >> juvenility
> >> unworthy of your age and I am embarrassed for you. I assure you, no one
> >> else
> >> read it either. You need to adhere closely to all my instructions for
> >> you.
> >> When you depart from them, you go astray and make a fool of yourself.
> >
> > Well Roger responded, so he read it and I suggest that if you had, you
> > would have been equally overwhelmed. You need to understand that I
> > don't value your instruction and your opinion matters not. You'll not
> > find me adhering to any of your worthless suggestions. They are wasted
> > on me. I don't take instructions from inferiors and you certainly
> > qualify.
>
> I assure you that Roger did not read your post past the point where you
> become ridiculous anymore than I did.

Had you read his long reply you would know otherwise ... dunderhead.

> His eyes glazed over as mine did. Why
> do you continue to embarrass yourself? You did it with Ed Gin, you did it
> with Tom Sherman and now you do it with me. You seem not to have a clue what
> Usenet is all about.

Opinions stated as fact ... as usual.

> Yes, I am pretty much a hermit but I am more clued in about Usenet than you
> will ever be. You come across as nothing but a stalker and a leech.

Sticks and stones ... Quit your whining, already. You have only
yourself to blame for the "stalking" that you have fallen victim of
from your many adversaries. You intentionally go trolling for fights.
When you encounter a tenacious, formidable adversary, and find yourself
hopelessly embroiled in an embarrassing no-win cyber-skirmish, in
desperation, you move to disencumber yourself by seeking to discredit
and dismiss your adversary by labeling him or her as a stalker. This
thinly disguised ploy of yours has failed countless
times. If you really want to escape your self-inflicted dilemma, then
turn tail, crawl on out of here. Return to the rock that you slithered
out from under.

> Frankly,
> I am embarrassed for you because I KNOW that you are more intelligent than
> that. Always use your own words to say what you want and never, I repeat
> never, resort to a thesaurus or a dictionary of synonyms.

You opinions matter not. What dont' you understand about that simple
concept??? Lecture someone who cares.

> That is strictly for high school kids who are trying to impress their teachers.

Wisdom form Conan the Librarian, keeper of the dictionary and
thesaurus. Get some new material brain dead. You 're boring me ...
YAWN!!!

Jim McNaa

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 07 Aug 2006 19:51:51
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1154882908.984236.136970@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> Frankly,
>> I am embarrassed for you because I KNOW that you are more intelligent
>> than
>> that. Always use your own words to say what you want and never, I repeat
>> never, resort to a thesaurus or a dictionary of synonyms.
>
> You opinions matter not. What dont' you understand about that simple
> concept??? Lecture someone who cares.
>
>> That is strictly for high school kids who are trying to impress their
>> teachers.
>
> Wisdom form Conan the Librarian, keeper of the dictionary and
> thesaurus. Get some new material brain dead. You 're boring me ...
> YAWN!!!

Jimbo strikes me as a high school kid who is permanently stuck at that age.
He loves to read his own writing and does not care to connect with anyone.
Word play is not the same thing as communicating.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date:
From:
Subject:

Date: 03 Aug 2006 17:59:39
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: NGM: Perspective ARBR

Jon Meinecke wrote:
> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote
> > Jon Meinecke wrote:
> >> > The real rot started [after 2000]
> >> Perhaps.
> >
> > I happen to remember a time when the big controversies [...]
> > if BikeE rear wheels were really as bad as Bob Cardone [3]
> > claimed.
>
> Bob's was, perhaps. Mine and the wheels of two other BikeEs
> I have direct knowledge of have not had any problems. Neither
> sample size is large enough to generalize. 1 in 3 I know of
> (not mine) did have swingarm weld failure,-- replaced under
> warranty.
>
> You forgot the other big controversies, whether BikeE lied to
> retailers and customers about their impending demise. And
> whether BigHa was tainted by BikeE connections and
> whether anyone who had anything good to say about BigHa
> had ever paid retail price for one! %^)

I remember those events, such as this post [1] by Chad Ash of BikeE and
the Lorenzo L. Love/Larry Varney BigHa value debate [2]. However, those
occurred in 2002 and 2004, while I was discussing the previous
millennium.

[1]
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/browse_frm/thread/1541652760b4616d/8b69e1b014d78888?lnk=gst&q=chad+ash&rnum=4#8b69e1b014d78888 >.
[2]
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/browse_frm/thread/cfbab6917b68d1e2/bb8f2a13f7cbce55?lnk=gst&q=world+without+end&rnum=1#bb8f2a13f7cbce55 >.

--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!

Date: 04 Aug 2006 05:51:47
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: NGM: Perspective ARBR

"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1154653179.203580.178540@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jon Meinecke wrote:
>> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote
>> > Jon Meinecke wrote:
>> >> > The real rot started [after 2000]
>> >> Perhaps.
>> >
>> > I happen to remember a time when the big controversies [...]
>> > if BikeE rear wheels were really as bad as Bob Cardone [3]
>> > claimed.
>>
>> Bob's was, perhaps. Mine and the wheels of two other BikeEs
>> I have direct knowledge of have not had any problems. Neither
>> sample size is large enough to generalize. 1 in 3 I know of
>> (not mine) did have swingarm weld failure,-- replaced under
>> warranty.
>>
>> You forgot the other big controversies, whether BikeE lied to
>> retailers and customers about their impending demise. And
>> whether BigHa was tainted by BikeE connections and
>> whether anyone who had anything good to say about BigHa
>> had ever paid retail price for one! %^)
>
> I remember those events, such as this post [1] by Chad Ash of BikeE and
> the Lorenzo L. Love/Larry Varney BigHa value debate [2]. However, those
> occurred in 2002 and 2004, while I was discussing the previous
> millennium.
[...]

The Lorenzo L. Love/Larry Varney debate was one of the high points of this
newsgroup and one of the main reasons I am still here, hoping to come across
good shit like that once again before I die. Lorenzo was like a great
nonplused bull dog and Larry was like a pesky insect buzzing around
aimlessly. It was a chemistry made in Heaven!

I notice most of my debates sooner or later become quite mean and nasty and
probably not very pleasant to read. Why this should be so I do not know.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 01 Aug 2006 14:36:14
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1154227421.013275.162650@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1154198019.071665.267970@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> >> Yes, I am just so Great! I am like a God here on ARBR. l am not too
> >> >> merciful but ever just. I do not suffer fools like Jimbo lightly who
> >> >> are
> >> >> tend to be longwinded bores, but I will allow them some leeway. I do
> >> >> note
> >> >> that he is not as longwinded as he used to be so I think he is
> >> >> learning
> >> >> something under my instruction.
> >> >
> >> > Errant assumption. One cannot learn from an inferior. The only thing
> >> > I've learned is not to waste too much time on someone so unworthy. I
> >> > don't take instruction from fools and you certainly qualify as a fool.
> >>
> >> Nope, Jimbo is no longer longwinded like he used to be with his every
> >> post.
> >> He is also using more down to earth language eschewing all the former
> >> highfaluting verbiage. So I do take credit for this progress in his
> >> affairs.
> >> I am a better teacher than I know!
> >> [...]
> >
> > Dunderhead Dolan stubbornly adheres to errant assumptions. One cannot
> > take credit for someon elses progress not that I agree with the
> > assertion that I have made what Ed Dolan considers progress, not that I
> > could give two shits about his opinion in this regard. I have learned
> > little from Conan the Librarian, but I have learned those who have
> > engaged Ed Dolan in cyber skirmishes should give the man his due. He
> > possesses a unique, uncanny ability to galvanize the ARBR membership in
> > steadfast opposition to himself. Ed deliberately crafts a post to
> > instigate, infuriate and elicit a response. That's what TROLLs do and
> > Ed does it better than most.
>
> It takes intelligence to know what to say and how to say it as well as to
> know what not to say and how not to say it. I write to be read, don't you?
> What any of this has to do with trolling escapes me.

"Know what not to say and how not to say it??? Care to rephrase that
in such a way that it makes some sense? Much escapes your poor powers
of perception. It is about time you fianlly made the frank admission.

> I am mostly off-topic, although when I am discussing the newsgroup itself I
> do not consider that off-topic, but rather a necessary housekeeping chore.
> It is not necessary that we stay on the topic of recumbents all the time.
> Others on this group enjoy off-topic subjects and the interplay of
> personalities. The one thing a newsgroup must avoid at all costs is boredom.
> That alone has killed more newsgroups than everything else put together.

Nonsensical cut and paste boiler plate, said and read countless times
before.

> Of the multitude of Ed Dolan posts, the
> > one that is destined to distinguish itself from all the rest and being
> > the most well received by the readership will be Ed Dolan's obituary.
>
> My obit is for family and friends. It will have nothing to do with Usenet
> and ARBR. My passing will be as unreked as has been my life.

Friends??? You actually have those???. Now this is the first new and
refreshing information that you have written in ages. As concerns your
obit ... fear not as there are many here at ARBR who will celebrate
your passing.

> > As for no longer being longwinded and eschewing former highfaluting
> > verbiage, allow me to prove you wrong again Ed...
>
> I did not read past this point since you periodically revert to juvenility
> unworthy of your age and I am embarrassed for you. I assure you, no one else
> read it either. You need to adhere closely to all my instructions for you.
> When you depart from them, you go astray and make a fool of yourself.

Well Roger responded, so he read it and I suggest that if you had, you
would have been equally overwhelmed. You need to understand that I
don't value your instruction and your opinion matters not. You'll not
find me adhering to any of your worthless suggestions. They are wasted
on me. I don't take instructions from inferiors and you certainly
qualify.

Jim McNaa

> [major snip]
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 01 Aug 2006 14:35:50
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Date: 01 Aug 2006 17:29:14
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1154468150.628067.281090@s13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> > As for no longer being longwinded and eschewing former highfaluting
>> > verbiage, allow me to prove you wrong again Ed...
>>
>> I did not read past this point since you periodically revert to
>> juvenility
>> unworthy of your age and I am embarrassed for you. I assure you, no one
>> else
>> read it either. You need to adhere closely to all my instructions for
>> you.
>> When you depart from them, you go astray and make a fool of yourself.
>
> Well Roger responded, so he read it and I suggest that if you had, you
> would have been equally overwhelmed. You need to understand that I
> don't value your instruction and your opinion matters not. You'll not
> find me adhering to any of your worthless suggestions. They are wasted
> on me. I don't take instructions from inferiors and you certainly
> qualify.

I assure you that Roger did not read your post past the point where you
become ridiculous anymore than I did. His eyes glazed over as mine did. Why
do you continue to embarrass yourself? You did it with Ed Gin, you did it
with Tom Sherman and now you do it with me. You seem not to have a clue what
Usenet is all about.

Yes, I am pretty much a hermit but I am more clued in about Usenet than you
will ever be. You come across as nothing but a stalker and a leech. Frankly,
I am embarrassed for you because I KNOW that you are more intelligent than
that. Always use your own words to say what you want and never, I repeat
never, resort to a thesaurus or a dictionary of synonyms. That is strictly
for high school kids who are trying to impress their teachers.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 11 Sep 2006 13:06:54
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Bill Baka wrote:
> JimmyMac wrote:
> > Truth hurts. I meant what I said and I said what I meant. You deserve
> > it ... you earned it and you shouldn't be deprived of it. What goes
> > around comes around. Why is it that when this happens the victimizer
> > claims to be the victim and the game just isn't fun anymore?
> >
> > Jim McNaa.
> >
> Jim,
> Turn on your spell checker, please. Don't give anyone even the ammo of a
> typo on this group.
> Bill Baka

Hi Bill,

Did you have anyone in particular in mind ;^) ??? The problem is that
I don't use a newsreader, but probably should. I just use the Google
Groups facility, so I am disadvantaged being without a spell checker.
On the other hand, those that use typos for ammunition generally have
gotten the intended message regardless, although it bugs me to see that
I've mistyped something. Perhaps I should just cut and paste into Word
and use its spell checker. Had I done so, I wouldn't have made the
above mistake s... now corrected (does/goes & aroud/around).

Jim McNaa

Date: 11 Sep 2006 21:05:22
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

JimmyMac wrote:
> Bill Baka wrote:
>> JimmyMac wrote:
>>> Truth hurts. I meant what I said and I said what I meant. You deserve
>>> it ... you earned it and you shouldn't be deprived of it. What goes
>>> around comes around. Why is it that when this happens the victimizer
>>> claims to be the victim and the game just isn't fun anymore?
>>>
>>> Jim McNaa.
>>>
>> Jim,
>> Turn on your spell checker, please. Don't give anyone even the ammo of a
>> typo on this group.
>> Bill Baka
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Did you have anyone in particular in mind ;^) ??? The problem is that
> I don't use a newsreader, but probably should. I just use the Google
> Groups facility, so I am disadvantaged being without a spell checker.
> On the other hand, those that use typos for ammunition generally have
> gotten the intended message regardless, although it bugs me to see that
> I've mistyped something. Perhaps I should just cut and paste into Word
> and use its spell checker. Had I done so, I wouldn't have made the
> above mistake s... now corrected (does/goes & aroud/around).
>
> Jim McNaa
>
Jim,
I use Mozilla Thunderbird, both in Windows (2000 right now), and with
Linux. It has a basic spell checker but some of the Internet things like
ROTFL catch it up, as do any technical words. Sometimes when I am groggy
and can't sleep I may make a gram error that it won't catch, like
their, there, they're. I could drop out and use Word or Open Office but
I really don't take posting on here as a literary masterpiece kind of
thing. There are only about a half dozen nit-pickers and one nasty jerk,
whom I need not name, and it isn't Dolan. This is just verbal sparring
with the fingers, in between working and riding/running, whatever.
I am only on RBM but somebody keeps making these darn cross posts.
Recumbents look interesting, but I do too much off road to consider one.
.soc is OK, too, but I tend to get into the 'misc' threads a lot.
Basically it is a time killer.
Good Day to you, I'm going out to sweat on the bike.
Bill Baka

Date: 12 Sep 2006 15:45:42
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message
news:mckNg.313$vJ2.152@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
[...]
> I use Mozilla Thunderbird, both in Windows (2000 right now), and with
> Linux. It has a basic spell checker but some of the Internet things like
> ROTFL catch it up, as do any technical words. Sometimes when I am groggy
> and can't sleep I may make a gram error that it won't catch, like
> their, there, they're. I could drop out and use Word or Open Office but I
> really don't take posting on here as a literary masterpiece kind of thing.
> There are only about a half dozen nit-pickers and one nasty jerk, whom I
> need not name, and it isn't Dolan. This is just verbal sparring with the
> fingers, in between working and riding/running, whatever.

I will only take someone to task for spelling and grammatical errors if and
when his level of assholeness exceeds all bounds. Jim McNaa does not yet
fall into that category, but he is getting close on occasion.

> I am only on RBM but somebody keeps making these darn cross posts.
> Recumbents look interesting, but I do too much off road to consider one.
> .soc is OK, too, but I tend to get into the 'misc' threads a lot.
> Basically it is a time killer.

I will look in on RBM to hijack various topics over to ARBR which is where I
am located 100% of the time. I do this because ARBR is such a small group
that we need some outside input. The kind of topics I steal and post my
comments to are mostly always off-topic which can be entertaining for anyone
to read no matter what groups you are normally on.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 12 Sep 2006 22:15:54
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com> wrote in message
> news:mckNg.313$vJ2.152@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
> [...]
>> I use Mozilla Thunderbird, both in Windows (2000 right now), and with
>> Linux. It has a basic spell checker but some of the Internet things like
>> ROTFL catch it up, as do any technical words. Sometimes when I am groggy
>> and can't sleep I may make a gram error that it won't catch, like
>> their, there, they're. I could drop out and use Word or Open Office but I
>> really don't take posting on here as a literary masterpiece kind of thing.
>> There are only about a half dozen nit-pickers and one nasty jerk, whom I
>> need not name, and it isn't Dolan. This is just verbal sparring with the
>> fingers, in between working and riding/running, whatever.
>
> I will only take someone to task for spelling and grammatical errors if and
> when his level of assholeness exceeds all bounds. Jim McNaa does not yet
> fall into that category, but he is getting close on occasion.

Good point, don't pick on everybody.
>
>> I am only on RBM but somebody keeps making these darn cross posts.
>> Recumbents look interesting, but I do too much off road to consider one.
>> .soc is OK, too, but I tend to get into the 'misc' threads a lot.
>> Basically it is a time killer.
>
> I will look in on RBM to hijack various topics over to ARBR which is where I
> am located 100% of the time. I do this because ARBR is such a small group
> that we need some outside input. The kind of topics I steal and post my
> comments to are mostly always off-topic which can be entertaining for anyone
> to read no matter what groups you are normally on.

So you are rendering a 'service'? Some of these threads go so way off
topic it is impossible to keep up when only reading part time. Sometimes
I don't know who is insulting who or whom.
Bill Baka
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>

Date: 12 Sep 2006 23:40:47
From: R Brickston
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 22:15:54 GMT, Bill Baka <bbaka@syix.com > wrote:

>So you are rendering a 'service'? Some of these threads go so way off
>topic it is impossible to keep up when only reading part time. Sometimes
>I don't know who is insulting who or whom.
>Bill Baka

Well, if someone is replying to one Billy Baka, the odds are about 10
to 1 that it will be perceived as an insult.

Date: 12 Sep 2006 17:54:38
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"Bill Baka" <bbaka@syix.com > wrote in message
news:ukGNg.553$vJ2.365@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> I will look in on RBM to hijack various topics over to ARBR which is
>> where I am located 100% of the time. I do this because ARBR is such a
>> small group that we need some outside input. The kind of topics I steal
>> and post my comments to are mostly always off-topic which can be
>> entertaining for anyone to read no matter what groups you are normally
>> on.
>
> So you are rendering a 'service'? Some of these threads go so way off
> topic it is impossible to keep up when only reading part time. Sometimes I
> don't know who is insulting who or whom.

It is extremely important that we keep our sense of humor when on these
newsgroups. I will admit when I first came to Usenet I had a wrong
impression of it. I thought it was for serious discussions of serious
issues. I could not have been more wrong. Usenet is all about who can be the
biggest clown. It is a huge mistake to take any of this at all seriously.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 01 Aug 2006 14:20:26
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Roger Houston wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1154227421.013275.162650@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > unharnessed, unruly repository regurgitated, monotonous mantra tiresome
> > inane dogma.
> banal, incoherent, fatuous drivel abyss enigma, disenfranchised egocentric,
> self-indulgent persona bizarre, pitiful warped fixations profusion myopic
> perceptions misconceptions conspicuously
> unrestrained enormously distended consummate, undeterred, demented
> apotheosis Afflicted conundrum complex amalgam absurd contradiction bigoted
> emotionally challenged egomaniacal misanthrope immense insurmountable
> abnegating rejecting collective communal consciousness avows cerebral
> transcendence pretentiously extols fanaticized preeminence blasphemously
> dissenting enamored inflammatory rhetoric solicit recognition pompous
> asserts that circumvented arrogance appropriate lavish impassioned
> verbosity disdains comprehension and rationality contradiction perseveres
> insatiable crusade incongruous curmudgeon intoxicated cerebral flatulence
> screeds legendary pretentious purveyor cyclical incoherent rhetoric advocate
> agenda savors opinionated prosaic perfunctory prattle whereas enthralled
> officious choleric eristic babble pedant enraptured vacuous gibberish
> sanctimonious hermit exaggerated prominence hierarchical relevance emerged
> garners pathetic shallow cantankerous misguided quintessential labiodental
> fricative
>
> Say, as long as you've got that thing handy, check and see if there's
> another word for "thesaurus", will you?

By "another word", I presume you meant a word equivalent in meaning ...
a synonym. Well a thesaurus is a synonym finder, but there is no
synonym for thesaurus. Roger, understand that this was written for
Conan the Librarian (Ed DOlan) in direct response to what he wrote ....
"Nope, Jimbo is no longer longwinded like he used to be with his every
post. He is also using more down to earth language eschewing all the
former highfaluting verbiage. So I do take credit for this progress in
his affairs. I am a better teacher than I know!", to which I replied
... As for no longer being longwinded and eschewing former highfaluting
verbiage, allow me to prove you wrong again Ed ... immediately followed
by the verbiage you took isuue with and the following commentary ...
Long winded and highfaluting enough for you Ed??? - Jim McNaa

Date: 31 Jul 2006 19:40:42
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Edward Dolan wrote:
> ....
> My obit is for family and friends. It will have nothing to do with Usenet
> and ARBR. My passing will be as unreked as has been my life.....

Nonsense. The reaction will be similar to that of the starving knights
in the frozen land of Nador when they were forced to eat Brave Sir
Robin's minstrels.

--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!

Date: 31 Jul 2006 19:33:07
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: NGM: Perspective [was: Cycling or Politics?]

Jon Meinecke wrote:
> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> Welcome back, JSTS.
>
> > Jon Meinecke wrote:
> >> Neither was first with such posts...
> >
> > Someone finally gets it right.
>
> Better than a stopped clock, I hope, more than twice
> a day correct. %^)
>
> >> Since '98, I've seen a lot of
> >> posters come and go in ARBR
> >
> > The real rot started [after 2000]
>
> Perhaps. The group dynamic shifted somewhat subtlety
> several times before that in my recollection. But what
> become a mean-spirited and abusive/vulgar norm, with
> negative topical content is quite different than the *generally*
> congenial group culture in the late previous millennia.....

I happen to remember a time when the big controversies on
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent were issues such as whether Falmouth
Recumbent Bicycles treated Brian "Tailwind from Hell" Clark properly
[1], tin Krieg cross-posting his NGB and recumbent evangelism to
every bicycle related group [2], and if BikeE rear wheels were really
as bad as Bob Cardone [3] claimed.

[1]
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/browse_frm/thread/8041e598bd3d9295/c61108244362b207?lnk=gst&q=tailwind+hell&rnum=1#c61108244362b207 >.
[2] A particular annoyance to Cletus Lee. [4]
[3]
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/c1c9fe5dc8ffe6c0?dmode=source >.
[4]
<http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/msg/d4058b92e4e37c57?dmode=source >.
--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!

Date: 03 Aug 2006 11:58:42
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: NGM: Perspective ARBR

"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote
> Jon Meinecke wrote:
>> > The real rot started [after 2000]
>> Perhaps.
>
> I happen to remember a time when the big controversies [...]
> if BikeE rear wheels were really as bad as Bob Cardone [3]
> claimed.

Bob's was, perhaps. Mine and the wheels of two other BikeEs
I have direct knowledge of have not had any problems. Neither
sample size is large enough to generalize. 1 in 3 I know of
(not mine) did have swingarm weld failure,-- replaced under
warranty.

You forgot the other big controversies, whether BikeE lied to
retailers and customers about their impending demise. And
whether BigHa was tainted by BikeE connections and
whether anyone who had anything good to say about BigHa
had ever paid retail price for one! %^)

Jon Meinecke

Date: 31 Jul 2006 22:14:50
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: NGM: Perspective [was: Cycling or Politics?]

"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1154399586.973849.315060@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Jon Meinecke wrote:
>> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>> Welcome back, JSTS.
>>
>> > Jon Meinecke wrote:
>> >> Neither was first with such posts...
>> >
>> > Someone finally gets it right.
>>
>> Better than a stopped clock, I hope, more than twice
>> a day correct. %^)
>>
>> >> Since '98, I've seen a lot of
>> >> posters come and go in ARBR
>> >
>> > The real rot started [after 2000]
>>
>> Perhaps. The group dynamic shifted somewhat subtlety
>> several times before that in my recollection. But what
>> become a mean-spirited and abusive/vulgar norm, with
>> negative topical content is quite different than the *generally*
>> congenial group culture in the late previous millennia.....
>
> I happen to remember a time when the big controversies on
> alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent were issues such as whether Falmouth
> Recumbent Bicycles treated Brian "Tailwind from Hell" Clark properly
> [1], tin Krieg cross-posting his NGB and recumbent evangelism to
> every bicycle related group [2], and if BikeE rear wheels were really
> as bad as Bob Cardone [3] claimed.
[...]

Yea, the group really only got on track when Ed Dolan the Great appeared and
saved everyone from themselves. I do not discuss trivia and I will only
tolerate a certain amount of it from others. Sooner or later, you will have
to elevate yourselves to my olympian level. After all, we do not want to be
like all those other negligible newsgroups out there in Usenet-land.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 31 Jul 2006 13:17:01
From: stratrider
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote:

> I see Jim Reilly of Reading, PA can not get his chronology correct
> either. DAGS - it will prove that I did not initiate the off-topic
> political discussions on this group.
>
> I will be generous and assume for the time being that Mr. Reilly has
> merely committed an error, and not libel.

Save your generousity for your favorite charity as I have asked for
none of it. As for my error in chronology, I will accept and take
responsibility for that.

Jim Reilly (still in Reading, PA)

Date: 29 Jul 2006 19:43:41
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1154198019.071665.267970@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
> >> Yes, I am just so Great! I am like a God here on ARBR. l am not too
> >> merciful but ever just. I do not suffer fools like Jimbo lightly who are
> >> tend to be longwinded bores, but I will allow them some leeway. I do note
> >> that he is not as longwinded as he used to be so I think he is learning
> >> something under my instruction.
> >
> > Errant assumption. One cannot learn from an inferior. The only thing
> > I've learned is not to waste too much time on someone so unworthy. I
> > don't take instruction from fools and you certainly qualify as a fool.
>
> Nope, Jimbo is no longer longwinded like he used to be with his every post.
> He is also using more down to earth language eschewing all the former
> highfaluting verbiage. So I do take credit for this progress in his affairs.
> I am a better teacher than I know!
> [...]

Dunderhead Dolan stubbornly adheres to errant assumptions. One cannot
take credit for someon elses progress not that I agree with the
assertion that I have made what Ed Dolan considers progress, not that I
could give two shits about his opinion in this regard. I have learned
little from Conan the Librarian, but I have learned those who have
engaged Ed Dolan in cyber skirmishes should give the man his due. He
possesses a unique, uncanny ability to galvanize the ARBR membership in
steadfast opposition to himself. Ed deliberately crafts a post to
instigate, infuriate and elicit a response. That's what TROLLs do and
Ed does it better than most. Of the multitude of Ed Dolan posts, the
one that is destined to distinguish itself from all the rest and being
the most well received by the readership will be Ed Dolan's obituary.
As for no longer being longwinded and eschewing former highfaluting
verbiage, allow me to prove you wrong again Ed...

Usenet newsgroups are the showcase for Ed Dolan's unharnessed, unruly
ego run amok. Usenet newsgroups have become the repository for Ed
Dolan's regurgitated, monotonous mantra ... his tiresome inane dogma.
To read Ed Dolan's banal, incoherent, fatuous drivel is to take a
journey into the realm of irrationality and peer into the abyss of
lunacy. Ed Dolan is an enigma, disenfranchised from reality, a victim
of an egocentric, self-indulgent persona. He is a bizarre, pitiful
soul, consumed by warped fixations and driven by a profusion of myopic
perceptions and twisted misconceptions. He has conspicuously
demonstrated that he is possessed by an unrestrained and enormously
distended sense of self-importance. He is Usenet newsgroup's
(particularly ARBR's) consummate, undeterred, demented parasite ... a
self-appointed and self-anointed apotheosis. Afflicted with delusions
of grandeur, Ed Dolan is a legend in his own mind. He has an opinion
of himself far beyond the opinion that others will ever have of him.
He is a conundrum ... a complex amalgam of absurd contradiction ... a
bigoted, emotionally challenged, egomaniacal misanthrope in dire need
of a therapist.

The gap between Ed and reality is immense and insurmountable. Just
listen to what the man has to say of himself for what he reveals is
very telling. He professes to have attained spiritual fulfillment by
abnegating contact with others, in effect rejecting humanity's
collective communal consciousness and he urges, even insistently
demands that the readership follow in his errant footsteps.

Ed Dolan avows his cerebral transcendence over all who venture into the
web of his "personal Usenet newsgroup lair". He pretentiously extols
his fanaticized preeminence, disrespecting all who blasphemously offer
a dissenting opinion. Enamored of inflammatory rhetoric, Ed insults
the vary target audience from whom he expects to solicit recognition.
In all of us, there is an inherent human desire to be recognized by
one's peers, but the pompous Ed Dolan asserts that he has no peers ...
no equals. Consequently, the very recognition that Ed Dolan demands is
circumvented by his own arrogance. That he manages to appropriate time
to lavish impassioned verbosity on those whom he disdains as inferiors
defies comprehension and rationality. In utter contradiction, he
perseveres in his insatiable crusade to be heard by those who seemingly
matter not. Is this not just a bit incongruous?

Ed Dolan is a curmudgeon intoxicated by his own cerebral flatulence.
His screeds (read Gospels according to St. Edward) are legendary. A
pretentious purveyor of disinformation, Ed employs cyclical, incoherent
rhetoric to advocate his own personal agenda. He subscribes to the
mistaken notion that the readership savors his opinionated, prosaic,
perfunctory prattle whereas in reality the only person who values what
the man says is the man saying it. Enthralled with his officious,
choleric, eristic babble, Ed is a pedant, enraptured by his own vacuous
gibberish.

It must really suck to be head swollen ... HEAD Dolan. With no one
allegedly worthy of his companionship, the sanctimonious hermit has
little more than ARBR from which to derive meaning in his life. The
Usenet newsgroup (particularly ARBR) has assumed an exaggerated
prominence in his hierarchical order of relevance and has emerged as
the source from which he garners his sense of accomplishment and
self-esteem. Regardless of his expressed opinion of the readership,
without the lifeblood of the Usenet newsgroup audience to sustain him,
Ed Dolan has nothing and is nothing. What a pathetic shallow
existence. Pity the cantankerous, misguided, quintessential fool.
Since, however, Ed is the only one worthy of himself, I have a
suggestion, if you'll pardon the labiodental fricative. Ed, why don't
you just go FUCK yourself!!!

Long winded and highfaluting enough for you Ed??? Jim McNaa

>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 31 Jul 2006 15:24:21
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1154227421.013275.162650@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1154198019.071665.267970@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Edward Dolan wrote:
>> [...]
>> >> Yes, I am just so Great! I am like a God here on ARBR. l am not too
>> >> merciful but ever just. I do not suffer fools like Jimbo lightly who
>> >> are
>> >> tend to be longwinded bores, but I will allow them some leeway. I do
>> >> note
>> >> that he is not as longwinded as he used to be so I think he is
>> >> learning
>> >> something under my instruction.
>> >
>> > Errant assumption. One cannot learn from an inferior. The only thing
>> > I've learned is not to waste too much time on someone so unworthy. I
>> > don't take instruction from fools and you certainly qualify as a fool.
>>
>> Nope, Jimbo is no longer longwinded like he used to be with his every
>> post.
>> He is also using more down to earth language eschewing all the former
>> highfaluting verbiage. So I do take credit for this progress in his
>> affairs.
>> I am a better teacher than I know!
>> [...]
>
> Dunderhead Dolan stubbornly adheres to errant assumptions. One cannot
> take credit for someon elses progress not that I agree with the
> assertion that I have made what Ed Dolan considers progress, not that I
> could give two shits about his opinion in this regard. I have learned
> little from Conan the Librarian, but I have learned those who have
> engaged Ed Dolan in cyber skirmishes should give the man his due. He
> possesses a unique, uncanny ability to galvanize the ARBR membership in
> steadfast opposition to himself. Ed deliberately crafts a post to
> instigate, infuriate and elicit a response. That's what TROLLs do and
> Ed does it better than most.

It takes intelligence to know what to say and how to say it as well as to
know what not to say and how not to say it. I write to be read, don't you?
What any of this has to do with trolling escapes me.

I am mostly off-topic, although when I am discussing the newsgroup itself I
do not consider that off-topic, but rather a necessary housekeeping chore.
It is not necessary that we stay on the topic of recumbents all the time.
Others on this group enjoy off-topic subjects and the interplay of
personalities. The one thing a newsgroup must avoid at all costs is boredom.
That alone has killed more newsgroups than everything else put together.

Of the multitude of Ed Dolan posts, the
> one that is destined to distinguish itself from all the rest and being
> the most well received by the readership will be Ed Dolan's obituary.

My obit is for family and friends. It will have nothing to do with Usenet
and ARBR. My passing will be as unreked as has been my life.

> As for no longer being longwinded and eschewing former highfaluting
> verbiage, allow me to prove you wrong again Ed...

I did not read past this point since you periodically revert to juvenility
unworthy of your age and I am embarrassed for you. I assure you, no one else
read it either. You need to adhere closely to all my instructions for you.
When you depart from them, you go astray and make a fool of yourself.

[major snip]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 10 Sep 2006 20:29:14
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157938138.818251.273530@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> [...]
> > Quit your whining, already. You have only yourself to blame for the
> > "stalking" that you have fallen victim of from your many adversaries.
> > You intentionally go trolling for fights. When you encounter a
> > tenacious, formidable adversary, and find yourself hopelessly embroiled
> > in an embarrassing no-win cyber-skirmish, in desperation, you move to
> > disencumber yourself by seeking to discredit and dismiss your adversary
> > by labeling him or her as a stalker. This thinly disguised ploy of
> > yours has failed countless times. If you really want to escape your
> > self-inflicted dilemma, then turn tail, crawl on out of here. Return
> > to the rock that you slithered out from under.
> [...]
>
> Nothing but a pitiful and pathetic stalker. Let this be a warning to the
> rest of you. Unless you want to end up like him, you had best find something
> of your own to say.

Truth hurts. I meant what I said and I said what I meant. You deserve
it ... you earned it and you shouldn't be deprived of it. What does
around comes aroud. Why is it that when this happens the victimizer
claims to be the victim and the game just isn't fun anymore?

Jim McNaa.

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 11 Sep 2006 07:21:59
From: Bill Baka
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

JimmyMac wrote:
> Truth hurts. I meant what I said and I said what I meant. You deserve
> it ... you earned it and you shouldn't be deprived of it. What does
> around comes aroud. Why is it that when this happens the victimizer
> claims to be the victim and the game just isn't fun anymore?
>
> Jim McNaa.
>
Jim,
Turn on your spell checker, please. Don't give anyone even the ammo of a
typo on this group.
Bill Baka

Date: 30 Jul 2006 16:55:39
From: Roger Houston
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1154227421.013275.162650@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> unharnessed, unruly repository regurgitated, monotonous mantra tiresome
> inane dogma.
banal, incoherent, fatuous drivel abyss enigma, disenfranchised egocentric,
self-indulgent persona bizarre, pitiful warped fixations profusion myopic
perceptions misconceptions conspicuously
unrestrained enormously distended consummate, undeterred, demented
apotheosis Afflicted conundrum complex amalgam absurd contradiction bigoted
emotionally challenged egomaniacal misanthrope immense insurmountable
abnegating rejecting collective communal consciousness avows cerebral
transcendence pretentiously extols fanaticized preeminence blasphemously
dissenting enamored inflammatory rhetoric solicit recognition pompous
asserts that circumvented arrogance appropriate lavish impassioned
verbosity disdains comprehension and rationality contradiction perseveres
insatiable crusade incongruous curmudgeon intoxicated cerebral flatulence
screeds legendary pretentious purveyor cyclical incoherent rhetoric advocate
agenda savors opinionated prosaic perfunctory prattle whereas enthralled
officious choleric eristic babble pedant enraptured vacuous gibberish
sanctimonious hermit exaggerated prominence hierarchical relevance emerged
garners pathetic shallow cantankerous misguided quintessential labiodental
fricative

Say, as long as you've got that thing handy, check and see if there's
another word for "thesaurus", will you?

Date: 29 Jul 2006 19:31:09
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Date: 29 Jul 2006 18:49:43
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Perspective [was: Cycling or Politics?]

Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
> "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@none.non> wrote in message
> news:44bf6047$0$2218$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> > "stratrider" <jreilly@enter.net> wrote
> >>
> >> Al, you are absolutely correct. Sherman was the first to use ARBR as a
> >> soapbox for his left leaning political editorials. And yes, Ed was the
> >> first to challenge him!
> >
> > Neither was first with such posts... Since '98, I've seen a lot of
> > posters come and go in ARBR. A lot of reasonable discussion
> > took place even between people of widely differing opinions. And
> > topical posts used to outnumber the non-topical. Imagine that.
> >
> > Jon Meinecke
>
> I suspect Jon is right about this as he has been on this group a lot longer
> than I have. But when I came on this group about 3 years ago I did not see
> any balance nor did I think there were any reasonable discussions taking
> place. All I saw was Sherman's rants followed by a lot of quipsters.
> Conservatives especially seemed to be tongue-tied and never said much to
> counterbalance all the liberal blather....

Eddie Boy,

Read the Google alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent archives from 2000 and 2001
and you will find plenty of right-wing posts, quips, etc. I expect you
might actually have been able to get along with Gus Morrow.

--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!

Date: 31 Jul 2006 14:21:27
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Perspective [was: Cycling or Politics?]

"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1154224183.012008.27520@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
>> "Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@none.non> wrote in message
>> news:44bf6047$0$2218$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>> > "stratrider" <jreilly@enter.net> wrote
>> >>
>> >> Al, you are absolutely correct. Sherman was the first to use ARBR as
>> >> a
>> >> soapbox for his left leaning political editorials. And yes, Ed was
>> >> the
>> >> first to challenge him!
>> >
>> > Neither was first with such posts... Since '98, I've seen a lot of
>> > posters come and go in ARBR. A lot of reasonable discussion
>> > took place even between people of widely differing opinions. And
>> > topical posts used to outnumber the non-topical. Imagine that.
>> >
>> > Jon Meinecke
>>
>> I suspect Jon is right about this as he has been on this group a lot
>> longer
>> than I have. But when I came on this group about 3 years ago I did not
>> see
>> any balance nor did I think there were any reasonable discussions taking
>> place. All I saw was Sherman's rants followed by a lot of quipsters.
>> Conservatives especially seemed to be tongue-tied and never said much to
>> counterbalance all the liberal blather....
>
> Eddie Boy,
>
> Read the Google alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent archives from 2000 and 2001
> and you will find plenty of right-wing posts, quips, etc. I expect you
> might actually have been able to get along with Gus Morrow.

2000 and 2001 were before my time. I did not even know what computers were
back then, let alone newsgroups.

An interesting phenomenon is that RBM has its usual share of liberal nut
cases, but it also has very many conservative types, thus insuring a balance
of political views. That is all I ever wanted for ARBR.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Jul 2006 18:42:59
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: NGM: Perspective [was: Cycling or Politics?]

Jon Meinecke wrote:
> "stratrider" <jreilly@enter.net> wrote
> >
> > Al, you are absolutely correct. Sherman was the first to use ARBR as a
> > soapbox for his left leaning political editorials. And yes, Ed was the
> > first to challenge him!
>
> Neither was first with such posts...

Someone finally gets it right.

> Since '98, I've seen a lot of
> posters come and go in ARBR. A lot of reasonable discussion
> took place even between people of widely differing opinions. And
> topical posts used to outnumber the non-topical. Imagine that.

The real rot started with the 2000 US presidential election, and went
much further after September 11, 2001.

--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!

Date: 31 Jul 2006 09:33:02
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: Re: NGM: Perspective [was: Cycling or Politics?]

"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote

Welcome back, JSTS.

> Jon Meinecke wrote:
>> Neither was first with such posts...
>
> Someone finally gets it right.

Better than a stopped clock, I hope, more than twice
a day correct. %^)

>> Since '98, I've seen a lot of
>> posters come and go in ARBR
>
> The real rot started [after 2000]

Perhaps. The group dynamic shifted somewhat subtlety
several times before that in my recollection. But what
become a mean-spirited and abusive/vulgar norm, with
negative topical content is quite different than the *generally*
congenial group culture in the late previous millennia.

"She turned me into a newt!"

We can get better. Posters choice.

Jon Meinecke
net.subtle-apteryx

Date: 31 Jul 2006 14:33:02
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: NGM: Perspective [was: Cycling or Politics?]

"Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@none.non > wrote in message
news:44ce13f2$0$5378$88260bb3@news.teranews.com...
[...]
> Perhaps. The group dynamic shifted somewhat subtlety
> several times before that in my recollection. But what
> become a mean-spirited and abusive/vulgar norm, with
> negative topical content is quite different than the *generally*
> congenial group culture in the late previous millennia. ...

Congeniality is vastly overrated. It mostly consisted of greetings and the
most trivial small talk imaginable. It was only of interest to the few who
were so engaged.

I do not like newsgroups which are too clubby. However, ARBR is a small
group and it will always be a small group, but that does not mean we have to
be congenial and clubby. Oftentimes, the only proper response to what is
being said is to be mean-spirited and abusive/vulgar. A newsgroup without a
curmudgeon or two is worthless.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Jul 2006 18:38:56
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153091522.874532.226550@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>
> > Ed,
>
> No need to address me personally since this is Usenet (not email) where
> many hundreds of folks will read whatever is written.
>
> > Can the bullshit and adolescent bravado. You wouldn't have the
> > testicular fortitude to say half the crap that you do on ARBR up close
> > and personal. Prove me wrong. Post your address an invite your
> > adversaries over. Or ask for their address and pay them a visit.
>
> Anyone but me notice how Jimbo is one of the sorriest assholes to ever
> infest ARBR? It must be horrible to go through life with such an
> inferiority complex, although in his case it is well deserved.
>
> > What everyone has noticed is how ARBR went to hell when your sorry ass
> > showed up showed up. I suspect that Tom Sherman left because of you.
>
> Sherman would never leave on account of me. He had too much pride for that,
> unlike you....

I will assume that Ed Dolan had nothing to do with the difficulty in an
order for VDSL modems not being fulfilled.

--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!

Date: 31 Jul 2006 14:50:10
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1154223536.728422.118550@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mr. Ed Dolan wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1153091522.874532.226550@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
[...]

>> > What everyone has noticed is how ARBR went to hell when your sorry ass
>> > showed up showed up. I suspect that Tom Sherman left because of you.
>>
>> Sherman would never leave on account of me. He had too much pride for
>> that,
>> unlike you....
>
> I will assume that Ed Dolan had nothing to do with the difficulty in an
> order for VDSL modems not being fulfilled.

Why are you still moving around the country like a gypsy. It is time for you
to settle down. The Chicago area should suit you I would suspect.

> Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain

Cheddar, having to do with cheese - therefore back to Wisconsin?

> Post Free or Die!

Well, yes, but can you imagine a moderator on a website putting up with the
likes of you and me. You would last longer than I would, but not by much.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Jul 2006 18:35:24
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

stratrider aka Jim Reilly wrote:
> Al K wrote:
> > Hi Jim,
> > Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom S,
> > with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on arbr. Ed
> > challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to be a
> > nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
>
> Al, you are absolutely correct. Sherman was the first to use ARBR as a
> soapbox for his left leaning political editorials. And yes, Ed was the
> first to challenge him!

I see Jim Reilly of Reading, PA can not get his chronology correct
either. DAGS - it will prove that I did not initiate the off-topic
political discussions on this group.

I will be generous and assume for the time being that Mr. Reilly has
merely committed an error, and not libel.

--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!

Date: 31 Jul 2006 14:39:13
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1154223324.675434.235580@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> stratrider aka Jim Reilly wrote:
>> Al K wrote:
>> > Hi Jim,
>> > Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom
>> > S,
>> > with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on arbr.
>> > Ed
>> > challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to
>> > be a
>> > nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
>>
>> Al, you are absolutely correct. Sherman was the first to use ARBR as a
>> soapbox for his left leaning political editorials. And yes, Ed was the
>> first to challenge him!
>
> I see Jim Reilly of Reading, PA can not get his chronology correct
> either. DAGS - it will prove that I did not initiate the off-topic
> political discussions on this group.
>
> I will be generous and assume for the time being that Mr. Reilly has
> merely committed an error, and not libel.

I am sure what Jim meant is that you preceded me and that I succeeded you.
In that he is most certainly 100% correct. Anything before my time on ARBR
is ancient history and is of no interest to anyone, least of all me.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Jul 2006 18:31:36
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

Al K wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom S,
> with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on arbr. Ed
> challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to be a
> nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
> Al K

Revising history, eh? I thought you were better than that, Al.

There were long off-topic debates on alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent long
before I ever posted anything political, and several years before Ed
Dolan turned up. For instance, this discussion [1] predates my first
recumbent purchase by 32 days, and therefore I am certain any postings
to this newsgroup.

[1]
<http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/browse_frm/thread/14013b94dc0b7112/1c6d6ebd019f6ab8?lnk=gst&q=gus+morrow+gun&rnum=12#1c6d6ebd019f6ab8 >.

--
Tom Sherman - Behind the Cheddar Curtain
Post Free or Die!

Date: 29 Jul 2006 11:33:39
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153424106.250650.24650@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1153091522.874532.226550@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
> >>
> >> > Ed,
> >>
> >> No need to address me personally since this is Usenet (not email) where
> >> many hundreds of folks will read whatever is written.
> >
> > And ... isn't that what you have just done here (Jim being understood
> > as implied) unless of course you are addressing the hundreds of folks
> > you imagine to read the tripe you struggle to scribble???.
>
> There are not hundreds of folks who are reading what I write, but thousands.
> Try to get up to speed why don't you!

Delusion duly noted. Even hundreds is a gross exaggeration. Why don't
I get up to speed??? Why don't you get real???

> >> > Can the bullshit and adolescent bravado. You wouldn't have the
> >> > testicular fortitude to say half the crap that you do on ARBR up close
> >> > and personal. Prove me wrong. Post your address an invite your
> >> > adversaries over. Or ask for their address and pay them a visit.
> >
> >> Anyone but me notice how Jimbo is one of the sorriest assholes to ever
> >> infest ARBR? It must be horrible to go through life with such an
> >> inferiority complex, although in his case it is well deserved.
> >
> > Diversion duly noted. Opinion stated as fact by the most opinionated
> > parastie to ever TROLL the ARBR waters. Ed, try not to let your mind
> > wander so ... It is far too small and fragile to be out and about all
> > by itself.
>
> Yes, I am just so Great! I am like a God here on ARBR. l am not too
> merciful but ever just. I do not suffer fools like Jimbo lightly who are
> tend to be longwinded bores, but I will allow them some leeway. I do note
> that he is not as longwinded as he used to be so I think he is learning
> something under my instruction.

Errant assumption. One cannot learn from an inferior. The only thing
I've learned is not to waste too much time on someone so unworthy. I
don't take instruction from fools and you certainly qualify as a fool.

> >> > What everyone has noticed is how ARBR went to hell when your sorry ass
> >> > showed up showed up. I suspect that Tom Sherman left because of you.
> >>
> >> Sherman would never leave on account of me. He had too much pride for
> >> that,
> >> unlike you.
> >> [...]
> >
> > Save your breath. You'll need it to blow up you date (read Vabndeman).
>
> Tom Sherman was my one and only nemesis. He was worthy of me, however
> wrongheaded he was about everything under the sun. I respected him and I
> think he respected me. That is about all we can ever expect of any human
> relationship among men.

>From the myopic visionary, comes another errant observation regarding
that which he admittedly shuns ... interpersonal realationships ...
thus speaketh the hermit misanthrope.

Jim McNaa

>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 29 Jul 2006 14:21:54
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1154198019.071665.267970@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> Yes, I am just so Great! I am like a God here on ARBR. l am not too
>> merciful but ever just. I do not suffer fools like Jimbo lightly who are
>> tend to be longwinded bores, but I will allow them some leeway. I do note
>> that he is not as longwinded as he used to be so I think he is learning
>> something under my instruction.
>
> Errant assumption. One cannot learn from an inferior. The only thing
> I've learned is not to waste too much time on someone so unworthy. I
> don't take instruction from fools and you certainly qualify as a fool.

Nope, Jimbo is no longer longwinded like he used to be with his every post.
He is also using more down to earth language eschewing all the former
highfaluting verbiage. So I do take credit for this progress in his affairs.
I am a better teacher than I know!
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 10 Sep 2006 18:28:58
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1157928867.079440.268290@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1155875605.026248.85510@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >
> >> >> >> always proven themselves to be a pain in the the royal neck and
> >> >> >> ass. I
> >> >> >> prefer to contemplate the eternal verities unencumbered by any
> >> >> >> actual
> >> >> >> relationships with real people. What is so wrong about this?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If you have no use for people why bother with them here. As ususal,
> >> >> > your rationalization make no sense.
> >> >>
> >> >> I do not bother with people anymore here than I do in real life. I am
> >> >> only
> >> >> bothering (ever so slightly) with their artifacts, i.e., what they
> >> >> write
> >> >> in
> >> >> their messages.
> >> >
> >> > Translation ... I'm a pain in the ass in real life too, but I will
> >> > reply in such a manner in the hope that no one will notice the
> >> > diversion intended.
> >>
> >> No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
> >> Am an attendant lord, one that will do
> >> To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
> >> Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
> >> Deferential, glad to be of use,
> >> Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
> >> Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
> >> At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
> >> Almost, at times, the Fool.
> >>
> >> T.S.Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> >> I could not kid about myself and others the way I do if I were the
> >> >> least
> >> >> bit
> >> >> insecure in my own ego. You should forget about your own sensitivities
> >> >> and
> >> >> concentrate on others for a change. You would find it quite
> >> >> liberating. I
> >> >> only get concerned with myself when something important is at stake.
> >> >> Nothing
> >> >> important is ever at stake on Usenet.
> >> >
> >> > You should refrain from offering advice. Just who the fuck do you
> >> > think you are??? Hopefully not someone that expects to be taken
> >> > seriously.
> >> > You know far to llittle about me to be talkng of my insecurities. You
> >> > have enough of your own insecurities to manage without concerning
> >> > yourself with anyone else. I've never met anyone like you . You are a
> >> > real a pice of work.
>
> Why do you persist in acting like an idiot all the time. You are not nearly
> st as you imagine yourself to be. In essence, you are nothing but a
> stalker as you prove every time you post to one of my scintillating messages
> on these freaking newsgroups. You have become the laughing stock of these
> groups and you do not even have any perspective to see what a fool I am
> making of you. Jealousy is the worst of all the vices because it is the one
> vice that does not give any pleasure.
>
> You and Ed Gin truly deserved one another. Only Tom Sherman treated you with
> the contempt that you so richly deserved. Apparently Chicagoland is just
> chock fool of fools like you. Why not get to that freaking Monkey Island
> website and stay there. That is where you clearly belong.
> [...]

Quit your whining, already. You have only yourself to blame for the
"stalking" that you have fallen victim of from your many adversaries.
You intentionally go trolling for fights. When you encounter a
tenacious, formidable adversary, and find yourself hopelessly embroiled
in an embarrassing no-win cyber-skirmish, in desperation, you move to
disencumber yourself by seeking to discredit and dismiss your adversary
by labeling him or her as a stalker. This thinly disguised ploy of
yours has failed countless times. If you really want to escape your
self-inflicted dilemma, then turn tail, crawl on out of here. Return
to the rock that you slithered out from under.

> >> This certainly includes Jim McNaa, an Irishmen who has badly gone
> >> astray and who has seemingly lost his Irish sense of humor. He has no
> >> doubt
> >> lived in Chicago too long and been corrupted by his partly Polish
> >> ancestry.
> >> But I am pure blood Irish and so infinitely superior to him and his ilk.
> >> Not
> >> everyone has been sanctified by the Gods like I have.
> >
> > What Gods ... aetheist??? And by the way I am also English, but
> > running your mouth before you have all the facts is both a trait and a
> > tradek of yours. I haven't lost my sense of humor, I simply have
> > yet to find anythning you say humorous. There is a difference.
>
> I am not necessarily trying to be humorous. I am calling you an asshole most
> of the time. I have never known anyone who had so little perspective. It
> apparently does you no good at all to go to places like Prague and Venice.
> You should stay home and contemplate your navel more like I do.

I've responded to this observation before, but you obioulsy have short
term memory issues. In my youth I had a cyst and my navel was removed
along with it. No I am not taking you literally and fully understand
what you mean. I'm Just doing an Ed Dolan on this end. Must you
constantly revist the same old subjects? You are really a bore.

> The only adversary I have ever had on these newsgroups who was worthy of me
> was Mr. Tom Sherman. That is because he is intelligent no matter how
> wrongheaded he is. I can respect wrongheadedness, but I cannot respect
> foolishness and assholeness.

Cut and paste boiletplate. You need to get some new material.

> Tom Sherman always knew how to say what he wanted to say no matter what I
> was saying and that is the way I am too. I am not an echo to anyone else
> like Jim McNaa always is. Note how he is never able to say anything on
> his own. I mean, just how ptiful and pathetic is it possible to get!

Yep. Sitll here being a pain in your ass just like you are a pain in
eveyone elses out here. I recall having posted a number of things "on
my own" and I recall you having lauded me for doing so and even
admitted that you were not capable of such a post yourself, but heck
this is more fun and I'm out here having fun just like you. I guess
you just don't enjoy this as much when the shoe is on the other foot.

Jim McNaa

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 10 Sep 2006 21:07:25
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157938138.818251.273530@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> Quit your whining, already. You have only yourself to blame for the
> "stalking" that you have fallen victim of from your many adversaries.
> You intentionally go trolling for fights. When you encounter a
> tenacious, formidable adversary, and find yourself hopelessly embroiled
> in an embarrassing no-win cyber-skirmish, in desperation, you move to
> disencumber yourself by seeking to discredit and dismiss your adversary
> by labeling him or her as a stalker. This thinly disguised ploy of
> yours has failed countless times. If you really want to escape your
> self-inflicted dilemma, then turn tail, crawl on out of here. Return
> to the rock that you slithered out from under.
[...]

Nothing but a pitiful and pathetic stalker. Let this be a warning to the
rest of you. Unless you want to end up like him, you had best find something
of your own to say.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 20 Jul 2006 12:35:06
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1153091522.874532.226550@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>
> > Ed,
>
> No need to address me personally since this is Usenet (not email) where
> many hundreds of folks will read whatever is written.

And ... isn't that what you have just done here (Jim being understood
as implied) unless of course you are addressing the hundreds of folks
you imagine to read the tripe you struggle to scribble???.

> > Can the bullshit and adolescent bravado. You wouldn't have the
> > testicular fortitude to say half the crap that you do on ARBR up close
> > and personal. Prove me wrong. Post your address an invite your
> > adversaries over. Or ask for their address and pay them a visit.

> Anyone but me notice how Jimbo is one of the sorriest assholes to ever
> infest ARBR? It must be horrible to go through life with such an
> inferiority complex, although in his case it is well deserved.

Diversion duly noted. Opinion stated as fact by the most opinionated
parastie to ever TROLL the ARBR waters. Ed, try not to let your mind
wander so ... It is far too small and fragile to be out and about all
by itself.

> > What everyone has noticed is how ARBR went to hell when your sorry ass
> > showed up showed up. I suspect that Tom Sherman left because of you.
>
> Sherman would never leave on account of me. He had too much pride for that,
> unlike you.
> [...]

Save your breath. You'll need it to blow up you date (read Vabndeman).

Jim McNaa

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
>
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> ARBR is an interesting newsgroup because it is such a small group. A
> >> newsgroup like RBM (rec.bicycles.misc) is far less interesting because it
> >> is
> >> such a large group. No one ever gets to know anyone much on such a large
> >> group. Members come and go without any rhyme or reason. However, the
> >> advantage of a large group is that it does not much matter who comes and
> >> goes.
> >>
> >> A small group like ARBR needs to have some regular members. When a
> >> regular
> >> leaves a small group like ARBR it does matter. Anyone but me notice how
> >> this
> >> group has gone to hell since Tom Sherman left. He was a regular, in fact,
> >> the most regular member the group ever had in its history. I cannot
> >> replace
> >> him because I am here to do nothing but tweak and annoy as many as
> >> possible.
> >> In fact, it may be that I have scared off some. But I do not interfere
> >> with
> >> on-topic posts. You will normally only encounter me when you get
> >> off-topic,
> >> at which point I will swoop down on you like the vulture that I am.
> >>
> >> I encourage any and all newbies to post away to your heart's content on
> >> this
> >> newsgroup. There are still some regulars here who will be delighted to
> >> respond you. Even I, as Great as I am, have been known to occasionally
> >> post
> >> on-topic.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >> aka
> >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
> >

Date: 26 Jul 2006 19:36:42
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1153424106.250650.24650@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1153091522.874532.226550@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>
>> > Ed,
>>
>> No need to address me personally since this is Usenet (not email) where
>> many hundreds of folks will read whatever is written.
>
> And ... isn't that what you have just done here (Jim being understood
> as implied) unless of course you are addressing the hundreds of folks
> you imagine to read the tripe you struggle to scribble???.

There are not hundreds of folks who are reading what I write, but thousands.
Try to get up to speed why don't you!

>> > Can the bullshit and adolescent bravado. You wouldn't have the
>> > testicular fortitude to say half the crap that you do on ARBR up close
>> > and personal. Prove me wrong. Post your address an invite your
>> > adversaries over. Or ask for their address and pay them a visit.
>
>> Anyone but me notice how Jimbo is one of the sorriest assholes to ever
>> infest ARBR? It must be horrible to go through life with such an
>> inferiority complex, although in his case it is well deserved.
>
> Diversion duly noted. Opinion stated as fact by the most opinionated
> parastie to ever TROLL the ARBR waters. Ed, try not to let your mind
> wander so ... It is far too small and fragile to be out and about all
> by itself.

Yes, I am just so Great! I am like a God here on ARBR. l am not too
merciful but ever just. I do not suffer fools like Jimbo lightly who are
tend to be longwinded bores, but I will allow them some leeway. I do note
that he is not as longwinded as he used to be so I think he is learning
something under my instruction.

>> > What everyone has noticed is how ARBR went to hell when your sorry ass
>> > showed up showed up. I suspect that Tom Sherman left because of you.
>>
>> Sherman would never leave on account of me. He had too much pride for
>> that,
>> unlike you.
>> [...]
>
> Save your breath. You'll need it to blow up you date (read Vabndeman).

Tom Sherman was my one and only nemesis. He was worthy of me, however
wrongheaded he was about everything under the sun. I respected him and I
think he respected me. That is about all we can ever expect of any human
relationship among men.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 10 Sep 2006 15:54:27
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1155875605.026248.85510@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >> >> always proven themselves to be a pain in the the royal neck and ass. I
> >> >> prefer to contemplate the eternal verities unencumbered by any actual
> >> >> relationships with real people. What is so wrong about this?
> >> >
> >> > If you have no use for people why bother with them here. As ususal,
> >> > your rationalization make no sense.
> >>
> >> I do not bother with people anymore here than I do in real life. I am
> >> only
> >> bothering (ever so slightly) with their artifacts, i.e., what they write
> >> in
> >> their messages.
> >
> > Translation ... I'm a pain in the ass in real life too, but I will
> > reply in such a manner in the hope that no one will notice the
> > diversion intended.
>
> No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
> Am an attendant lord, one that will do
> To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
> Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
> Deferential, glad to be of use,
> Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
> Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
> At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
> Almost, at times, the Fool.
>
> T.S.Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
>
> [...]
>
> >> I could not kid about myself and others the way I do if I were the least
> >> bit
> >> insecure in my own ego. You should forget about your own sensitivities
> >> and
> >> concentrate on others for a change. You would find it quite liberating. I
> >> only get concerned with myself when something important is at stake.
> >> Nothing
> >> important is ever at stake on Usenet.
> >
> > You should refrain from offering advice. Just who the fuck do you
> > think you are??? Hopefully not someone that expects to be taken seriously.
> > You know far to llittle about me to be talkng of my insecurities. You
> > have enough of your own insecurities to manage without concerning
> > yourself with anyone else. I've never met anyone like you . You are a
> > real a pice of work.
>
> Yea, I am an original all right. I have spent my life achieving what I have
> now become.

It took you entire life to become a loser???

> Those of you on these miserable newsgroups are fortunate indeed
> to be blessed with my presence.

You will be hard pressed to find anyone in agreement with your
ourlandish assertion.

> It is clearly my mission to offer advice and counsel to those less wise than
> myself.

Counsel is generally sought and I don't believe anyone is requesting
anythning of you other than to take leave of ARBR.

> This certainly includes Jim McNaa, an Irishmen who has badly gone
> astray and who has seemingly lost his Irish sense of humor. He has no doubt
> lived in Chicago too long and been corrupted by his partly Polish ancestry.
> But I am pure blood Irish and so infinitely superior to him and his ilk. Not
> everyone has been sanctified by the Gods like I have.

What Gods ... aetheist??? And by the way I am also English, but
running your mouth before you have all the facts is both a trait and a
tradek of yours. I haven't lost my sense of humor, I simply have
yet to find anythning you say humorous. There is a difference.

> I urge Jim McNaa to look to his soul. If you don't save that, you have
> lost everything.

Aetheists believe in the existence of a soul?

Jim McNaa

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 10 Sep 2006 18:48:00
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1157928867.079440.268290@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1155875605.026248.85510@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Edward Dolan wrote:
>> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>> >> >> always proven themselves to be a pain in the the royal neck and
>> >> >> ass. I
>> >> >> prefer to contemplate the eternal verities unencumbered by any
>> >> >> actual
>> >> >> relationships with real people. What is so wrong about this?
>> >> >
>> >> > If you have no use for people why bother with them here. As ususal,
>> >> > your rationalization make no sense.
>> >>
>> >> I do not bother with people anymore here than I do in real life. I am
>> >> only
>> >> bothering (ever so slightly) with their artifacts, i.e., what they
>> >> write
>> >> in
>> >> their messages.
>> >
>> > Translation ... I'm a pain in the ass in real life too, but I will
>> > reply in such a manner in the hope that no one will notice the
>> > diversion intended.
>>
>> No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
>> Am an attendant lord, one that will do
>> To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
>> Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
>> Deferential, glad to be of use,
>> Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
>> Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
>> At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
>> Almost, at times, the Fool.
>>
>> T.S.Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> >> I could not kid about myself and others the way I do if I were the
>> >> least
>> >> bit
>> >> insecure in my own ego. You should forget about your own sensitivities
>> >> and
>> >> concentrate on others for a change. You would find it quite
>> >> liberating. I
>> >> only get concerned with myself when something important is at stake.
>> >> Nothing
>> >> important is ever at stake on Usenet.
>> >
>> > You should refrain from offering advice. Just who the fuck do you
>> > think you are??? Hopefully not someone that expects to be taken
>> > seriously.
>> > You know far to llittle about me to be talkng of my insecurities. You
>> > have enough of your own insecurities to manage without concerning
>> > yourself with anyone else. I've never met anyone like you . You are a
>> > real a pice of work.

Why do you persist in acting like an idiot all the time. You are not nearly
st as you imagine yourself to be. In essence, you are nothing but a
stalker as you prove every time you post to one of my scintillating messages
on these freaking newsgroups. You have become the laughing stock of these
groups and you do not even have any perspective to see what a fool I am
making of you. Jealousy is the worst of all the vices because it is the one
vice that does not give any pleasure.

You and Ed Gin truly deserved one another. Only Tom Sherman treated you with
the contempt that you so richly deserved. Apparently Chicagoland is just
chock fool of fools like you. Why not get to that freaking Monkey Island
website and stay there. That is where you clearly belong.
[...]

>> This certainly includes Jim McNaa, an Irishmen who has badly gone
>> astray and who has seemingly lost his Irish sense of humor. He has no
>> doubt
>> lived in Chicago too long and been corrupted by his partly Polish
>> ancestry.
>> But I am pure blood Irish and so infinitely superior to him and his ilk.
>> Not
>> everyone has been sanctified by the Gods like I have.
>
> What Gods ... aetheist??? And by the way I am also English, but
> running your mouth before you have all the facts is both a trait and a
> tradek of yours. I haven't lost my sense of humor, I simply have
> yet to find anythning you say humorous. There is a difference.

I am not necessarily trying to be humorous. I am calling you an asshole most
of the time. I have never known anyone who had so little perspective. It
apparently does you no good at all to go to places like Prague and Venice.
You should stay home and contemplate your navel more like I do.

The only adversary I have ever had on these newsgroups who was worthy of me
was Mr. Tom Sherman. That is because he is intelligent no matter how
wrongheaded he is. I can respect wrongheadedness, but I cannot respect
foolishness and assholeness.

Tom Sherman always knew how to say what he wanted to say no matter what I
was saying and that is the way I am too. I am not an echo to anyone else
like Jim McNaa always is. Note how he is never able to say anything on
his own. I mean, just how ptiful and pathetic is it possible to get!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 28 Jul 2006 19:25:01
From: S Curtiss
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:ud2dnc9bpIg9l1XZnZ2dnUVZ_oSdnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
>> And ... isn't that what you have just done here (Jim being understood
>> as implied) unless of course you are addressing the hundreds of folks
>> you imagine to read the tripe you struggle to scribble???.
>
> There are not hundreds of folks who are reading what I write, but
> thousands. Try to get up to speed why don't you!
And you get these number from where...? It is probable that more have you in
the killfile than are reading you.
>
>>
>> Diversion duly noted. Opinion stated as fact by the most opinionated
>> parastie to ever TROLL the ARBR waters. Ed, try not to let your mind
>> wander so ... It is far too small and fragile to be out and about all
>> by itself.
>
> Yes, I am just so Great! I am like a God here on ARBR. l am not too
> merciful but ever just. I do not suffer fools like Jimbo lightly who are
> tend to be longwinded bores, but I will allow them some leeway. I do note
> that he is not as longwinded as he used to be so I think he is learning
> something under my instruction.
Poor little eddie... Still making up for past failures by claiming
otherwise.
Tell me... Did you feel "great" when you wanted a woman raped...? Did you
feel "great" by calling an African-American a n*****? Did you feel "great"
by using course language and telling people to go "f*** themselves"?
>
>>> > What everyone has noticed is how ARBR went to hell when your sorry ass
>>> > showed up showed up. I suspect that Tom Sherman left because of you.
>>>
>>> Sherman would never leave on account of me. He had too much pride for
>>> that,
>>> unlike you.
>>> [...]
>>
>> Save your breath. You'll need it to blow up you date (read Vabndeman).
>
> Tom Sherman was my one and only nemesis. He was worthy of me, however
> wrongheaded he was about everything under the sun. I respected him and I
> think he respected me. That is about all we can ever expect of any human
> relationship among men.
Conjecture. For all you know, TS decided riding was more advantageous than
dueling wits with an unarmed adversary
>

Date: 29 Jul 2006 14:15:49
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"S Curtiss" <stevecurtiss@cox.net > wrote in message
news:i1xyg.1466$W93.211@dukeread05...
[...]

Edward Dolan wrote:

>> Yes, I am just so Great! I am like a God here on ARBR. l am not too
>> merciful but ever just. I do not suffer fools like Jimbo lightly who are
>> tend to be longwinded bores, but I will allow them some leeway. I do note
>> that he is not as longwinded as he used to be so I think he is learning
>> something under my instruction.
> Poor little eddie... Still making up for past failures by claiming
> otherwise.
> Tell me... Did you feel "great" when you wanted a woman raped...? Did you
> feel "great" by calling an African-American a n*****? Did you feel "great"
> by using course language and telling people to go "f*** themselves"?

I would also like the Israelis to start dropping atom bombs on the
Hezbollahs, the Syrians and the Iranians, thereby saving us the trouble of
having to do it down the road. Just another sign of My Greatness - of
course!

By the way, what the fuck is wrong with calling a black a Negro? They are
black aren't they, all being originally from Africa south of the Sahara. In
fact, I have seen Negroes from Nigeria so black they appeared to be a kind
of blue-black. And if some of us want to call them niggers, what is wrong
with that? You should hear what they call us when we aren't around to hear
them.

Anyone on this newsgroup know the difference between a nigger and a Negro?
Let's see if Steve Curtiss even has a clue?
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 19 Jul 2006 16:53:51
From: stratrider
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

Date: 22 Jul 2006 23:31:21
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

"stratrider" <jreilly@enter.net > wrote in message
news:1153353231.326512.14410@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Al K wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>> Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom S,
>> with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on arbr.
>> Ed
>> challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to be
>> a
>> nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
>
> Al, you are absolutely correct. Sherman was the first to use ARBR as a
> soapbox for his left leaning political editorials. And yes, Ed was the
> first to challenge him!

What bothered me the most at the time was not so much Sherman's posts but
all those smy rejoinders his every utterance would get from all the other
liberal scumbags who infested the group. It was a Herculean effort to rid
ARBR of those types who were ruining it, but Ed Dolan the Great was up to
the task.

Once I got rid of all of Sherman's little echoes, we actually had some
pretty good threads going. But after a couple of years of having to put up
with Ed Dolan the Great, Sherman pretty much withdrew from the political
threads - and ARBR has been a saner, if duller, place ever since.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 20 Jul 2006 06:48:26
From: Jon Meinecke
Subject: NGM: Perspective [was: Cycling or Politics?]

"stratrider" <jreilly@enter.net > wrote
>
> Al, you are absolutely correct. Sherman was the first to use ARBR as a
> soapbox for his left leaning political editorials. And yes, Ed was the
> first to challenge him!

Neither was first with such posts... Since '98, I've seen a lot of
posters come and go in ARBR. A lot of reasonable discussion
took place even between people of widely differing opinions. And
topical posts used to outnumber the non-topical. Imagine that.

Jon Meinecke

--
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Date: 22 Jul 2006 23:44:30
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Perspective [was: Cycling or Politics?]

"Jon Meinecke" <jonmein@none.non > wrote in message
news:44bf6047$0$2218$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
> "stratrider" <jreilly@enter.net> wrote
>>
>> Al, you are absolutely correct. Sherman was the first to use ARBR as a
>> soapbox for his left leaning political editorials. And yes, Ed was the
>> first to challenge him!
>
> Neither was first with such posts... Since '98, I've seen a lot of
> posters come and go in ARBR. A lot of reasonable discussion
> took place even between people of widely differing opinions. And
> topical posts used to outnumber the non-topical. Imagine that.
>
> Jon Meinecke

I suspect Jon is right about this as he has been on this group a lot longer
than I have. But when I came on this group about 3 years ago I did not see
any balance nor did I think there were any reasonable discussions taking
place. All I saw was Sherman's rants followed by a lot of quipsters.
Conservatives especially seemed to be tongue-tied and never said much to
counterbalance all the liberal blather.

I took Sherman on point by point and was able to out-blather him. I give my
mentor, Rush Limbaugh, most of the credit for my ability to out-blather
anyone.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 16 Jul 2006 16:12:02
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Ed,

Can the bullshit and adolescent bravado. You wouldn't have the
testicular fortitude to say half the crap that you do on ARBR up close
and personal. Prove me wrong. Post your address an invite your
adversaries over. Or ask for their address and pay them a visit.

What everyone has noticed is how ARBR went to hell when your sorry ass
showed up showed up. I suspect that Tom Sherman left because of you.

Your proctologist called ... He found your head.

Jim McNaa

Edward Dolan wrote:
> ARBR is an interesting newsgroup because it is such a small group. A
> newsgroup like RBM (rec.bicycles.misc) is far less interesting because it is
> such a large group. No one ever gets to know anyone much on such a large
> group. Members come and go without any rhyme or reason. However, the
> advantage of a large group is that it does not much matter who comes and
> goes.
>
> A small group like ARBR needs to have some regular members. When a regular
> leaves a small group like ARBR it does matter. Anyone but me notice how this
> group has gone to hell since Tom Sherman left. He was a regular, in fact,
> the most regular member the group ever had in its history. I cannot replace
> him because I am here to do nothing but tweak and annoy as many as possible.
> In fact, it may be that I have scared off some. But I do not interfere with
> on-topic posts. You will normally only encounter me when you get off-topic,
> at which point I will swoop down on you like the vulture that I am.
>
> I encourage any and all newbies to post away to your heart's content on this
> newsgroup. There are still some regulars here who will be delighted to
> respond you. Even I, as Great as I am, have been known to occasionally post
> on-topic.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 19 Jul 2006 23:50:57
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1153091522.874532.226550@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

> Ed,

No need to address me personally since this is Usenet (not email) where
many hundreds of folks will read whatever is written.

> Can the bullshit and adolescent bravado. You wouldn't have the
> testicular fortitude to say half the crap that you do on ARBR up close
> and personal. Prove me wrong. Post your address an invite your
> adversaries over. Or ask for their address and pay them a visit.

Anyone but me notice how Jimbo is one of the sorriest assholes to ever
infest ARBR? It must be horrible to go through life with such an
inferiority complex, although in his case it is well deserved.

> What everyone has noticed is how ARBR went to hell when your sorry ass
> showed up showed up. I suspect that Tom Sherman left because of you.

Sherman would never leave on account of me. He had too much pride for that,
unlike you.
[...]

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> ARBR is an interesting newsgroup because it is such a small group. A
>> newsgroup like RBM (rec.bicycles.misc) is far less interesting because it
>> is
>> such a large group. No one ever gets to know anyone much on such a large
>> group. Members come and go without any rhyme or reason. However, the
>> advantage of a large group is that it does not much matter who comes and
>> goes.
>>
>> A small group like ARBR needs to have some regular members. When a
>> regular
>> leaves a small group like ARBR it does matter. Anyone but me notice how
>> this
>> group has gone to hell since Tom Sherman left. He was a regular, in fact,
>> the most regular member the group ever had in its history. I cannot
>> replace
>> him because I am here to do nothing but tweak and annoy as many as
>> possible.
>> In fact, it may be that I have scared off some. But I do not interfere
>> with
>> on-topic posts. You will normally only encounter me when you get
>> off-topic,
>> at which point I will swoop down on you like the vulture that I am.
>>
>> I encourage any and all newbies to post away to your heart's content on
>> this
>> newsgroup. There are still some regulars here who will be delighted to
>> respond you. Even I, as Great as I am, have been known to occasionally
>> post
>> on-topic.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>

Date: 17 Aug 2006 21:33:25
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1155574703.494018.205170@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
> >> > Ed is an admitted hermit who has indicated that he has no use for his
> >> > fellow man except for the aritfacts he produces and he has the gall to
> >> > lecture me about connecting with others. Get real ... Ed. Have you
> >> > forgotten your own words regarding how you really really feel. Allow
> >> > me to remind you...
> >>
> >> We hermits are unjustly castigated. I have always liked to be alone. Is
> >> this
> >> such a great sin? I have spent my life listening to the great
> >> masterpieces
> >> of Beethoven et al. I have simply never had any use for people. They have
> >> always proven themselves to be a pain in the the royal neck and ass. I
> >> prefer to contemplate the eternal verities unencumbered by any actual
> >> relationships with real people. What is so wrong about this?
> >
> > If you have no use for people why bother with them here. As ususal,
> > your rationalization make no sense.
>
> I do not bother with people anymore here than I do in real life. I am only
> bothering (ever so slightly) with their artifacts, i.e., what they write in
> their messages.

Translation ... I'm a pain in the ass in real life too, but I will
reply in such a manner in the hope that no one will notice the
diversion intended.

> >> > "I frankly do not have the slightest idea what newsgroups are all
> >> > about."
> >> >
> >> > "Usenet is strictly for idiots, assholes and jerks - positively no
> >> > exceptions! When I am on Usenet I try to be the biggest idiot, asshole
> >> > and jerk of them all. I set the standard for one and all. I believe I
> >> > can state with absolute assurance that I am the Greatest Idiot, the
> >> > Greatest Asshole and the Greatest Jerk that Usenet has ever known in
> >> > its' long and dishonored history. For Christ's sakes, I prove it every
> >> > time I post. Can't any of you poor bastards read?"
> >> >
> >> > Readers, does this sound like someone who should be lecturing anyone
> >> > about word play, communication or connecting with others???
> >>
> >> Yes, actually it does! I have risen above the common run of mankind. You
> >> need to listen to me most carefully to get a perspective that you would
> >> otherwise never get. I have no ego at all and I do not care what others
> >> think of me. I know what I think of myself and that is all that matters
> >> to
> >> me. The rest of you can benefit greatly from my lack of ego. Poor Jimbo
> >> can
> >> never escape the drag of his own ego. He is very much like Ed Gin that
> >> way.
> >
> > You don't have an ego??? Thanks for the best joke that I've heard in
> > quite some time. The only way you will ever escape your ego is by
> > death ... an event that the ARBR readership will celebrate. You still
> > are operating from the basic misconception that the readership can
> > benefit from your alleged wisdom whereas what they coud benefit by is
> > your absence. Begone ... TROLL!!!
>
> I could not kid about myself and others the way I do if I were the least bit
> insecure in my own ego. You should forget about your own sensitivities and
> concentrate on others for a change. You would find it quite liberating. I
> only get concerned with myself when something important is at stake. Nothing
> important is ever at stake on Usenet.

You should refrain from offering advice. Just who the fuck do you
think you are??? Hopefully not some that expects to be taken seriously.
You know far to llittle about me to be talkng of my insecurities. You
have enough of your own insecurities to manage without concerning
yourself with anyone else. I've never met anyone like you . You are a
real a pice of work.

Jim McNaa

>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 18 Aug 2006 00:52:28
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: It is OK to post to ARBR!

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1155875605.026248.85510@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1155574703.494018.205170@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Edward Dolan wrote:
>> [...]
>> >> > Ed is an admitted hermit who has indicated that he has no use for
>> >> > his
>> >> > fellow man except for the aritfacts he produces and he has the gall
>> >> > to
>> >> > lecture me about connecting with others. Get real ... Ed. Have you
>> >> > forgotten your own words regarding how you really really feel.
>> >> > Allow
>> >> > me to remind you...
>> >>
>> >> We hermits are unjustly castigated. I have always liked to be alone.
>> >> Is
>> >> this
>> >> such a great sin? I have spent my life listening to the great
>> >> masterpieces
>> >> of Beethoven et al. I have simply never had any use for people. They
>> >> have
>> >> always proven themselves to be a pain in the the royal neck and ass. I
>> >> prefer to contemplate the eternal verities unencumbered by any actual
>> >> relationships with real people. What is so wrong about this?
>> >
>> > If you have no use for people why bother with them here. As ususal,
>> > your rationalization make no sense.
>>
>> I do not bother with people anymore here than I do in real life. I am
>> only
>> bothering (ever so slightly) with their artifacts, i.e., what they write
>> in
>> their messages.
>
> Translation ... I'm a pain in the ass in real life too, but I will
> reply in such a manner in the hope that no one will notice the
> diversion intended.

No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
Am an attendant lord, one that will do
To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
Deferential, glad to be of use,
Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
Almost, at times, the Fool.

T.S.Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock

[...]

>> I could not kid about myself and others the way I do if I were the least
>> bit
>> insecure in my own ego. You should forget about your own sensitivities
>> and
>> concentrate on others for a change. You would find it quite liberating. I
>> only get concerned with myself when something important is at stake.
>> Nothing
>> important is ever at stake on Usenet.
>
> You should refrain from offering advice. Just who the fuck do you
> think you are??? Hopefully not some that expects to be taken seriously.
> You know far to llittle about me to be talkng of my insecurities. You
> have enough of your own insecurities to manage without concerning
> yourself with anyone else. I've never met anyone like you . You are a
> real a pice of work.

Yea, I am an original all right. I have spent my life achieving what I have
now become. Those of you on these miserable newsgroups are fortunate indeed
to be blessed with my presence.

It is clearly my mission to offer advice and counsel to those less wise than
myself. This certainly includes Jim McNaa, an Irishmen who has badly gone
astray and who has seemingly lost his Irish sense of humor. He has no doubt
lived in Chicago too long and been corrupted by his partly Polish ancestry.
But I am pure blood Irish and so infinitely superior to him and his ilk. Not
everyone has been sanctified by the Gods like I have.

I urge Jim McNaa to look to his soul. If you don't save that, you have
lost everything.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Date: 17 Jul 2006 21:16:27
From: Al K
Subject: Cycling or Politics?

Hi Jim,
Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom S,
with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on arbr. Ed
challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to be a
nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
Al K

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1153091522.874532.226550@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> Ed,
SNIP
> What everyone has noticed is how ARBR went to hell when your sorry ass
> showed up showed up. I suspect that Tom Sherman left because of you.
SNIP
> Jim McNaa

Date: 10 Sep 2006 20:58:39
From: Kevin O'Neill
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

On Mon, 17 Jul 2006 21:16:27 -0400, "Al K" <kubeluis@atlanticbb.net >
wrote:

>Hi Jim,
>Ed D clearly has contributed to diverting arbr from cycling. But Tom S,
>with his political views expressed on arbr, initiated politics on arbr. Ed
>challenged Tom's political views, and arbr got diverted. This used to be a
>nice recumbent cycling news group, not a political vent.
>Al K

Have any of you heard of killfiles, for god's sake? You've got a few
high volume knuckleheads, killfile 'em and get on with life. Sheesh.

--
Kevin

Date: 10 Sep 2006 21:20:48
From: Roger Houston
Subject: Re: Cycling or Politics?

"Kevin O'Neill" <K_S_ONeill@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:bh19g2lunfhg5cvt7ejdf84nagfd12l998@4ax.com...
>
> Have any of you heard of killfiles, for god's sake?

I sometimes wonder if God appreciates all the things we do for His sake.