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Date: 26 Dec 2006 22:04:40
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Subject: MI5 Persecution: Bernard Levin expresses his views
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The article of which part is reproduced below was penned by Bernard Levin
for the Features section of the Times on 21 September 1991. To my mind, it
described the situation at the time and in particular a recent meeting with
a friend, during which I for the first time admitted to someone other than
my GP that I had been subjected to a conspiracy of harassment over the
previous year and a half.
>There is a madman running loose about London, called David Campbell; I have
>no reason to believe that he is violent, but he should certainly be
>approached with caution. You may know him by the curious glitter in his
>eyes and a persistent trembling of his hands; if that does not suffice, you
>will find him attempting to thrust no fewer than 48 books into your arms,
>all hardbacks, with a promise that, if you should return to the same
>meeting-place next year, he will heave another 80 at you.
>
>If, by now, the police have arrived and are keeping a close watch on him,
>you may feel sufficiently emboldened to examine the books. The jackets are
>a model of uncluttered typography, elegantly and simply laid out; there is
>an unobtrusive colophon of a rising sun, probably not picked at random.
>Gaining confidence - the lunatic is smiling by now, and the policemen, who
>know about such things, have significantly removed their helmets - you
>could do worse than take the jacket off the first book in the pile. The
>only word possible to describe the binding is sumptuous; real cloth in a
>glorious shade of dark green, with the title and author in black and gold
>on the spine.
>
>Look at it more closely; your eyes do not deceive you - it truly does have
>real top-bands and tail-bands, in yellow, and, for good measure, a silk
>ker ribbon in a lighter green. The paper is cream-wove and acid-free,
>and the book is sewn, not glued.
>
>Throughout the encounter, I should have mentioned, our loony has been
>chattering away, although what he is trying to say is almost impossible to
>understand; after a time, however, he becomes sufficiently coherent to make
>clear that he is trying to sell the books to you. Well, now, such quality
>in bookmaking today can only be for collectors' limited editions at a
>fearsome price - #30, #40, #50?
>
>No, no, he says, the glitter more powerful than ever and the trembling of
>his hands rapidly spreading throughout his entire body; no, no - the books
>are priced variously at #7, #8 or #9, with the top price #12.
>
>At this, the policemen understandably put their helmets back on; one of
>them draws his truncheon and the other can be heard summoning
>reinforcements on his walkie-talkie. The madman bursts into tears, and
>swears it is all true.
>
>And it is.
>
>David Campbell has acquired the entire rights to the whole of the
>Everyman's Library, which died a lingering and shameful death a decade or
>so ago, and he proposes to start it all over again - 48 volumes this
>September and 80 more next year, in editions I have described, at the
>prices specified. He proposes to launch his amazing venture simultaneously
>in Britain and the United States, with the massive firepower of Random
>Century at his back in this country, and the dashing cavalry of Knopf
>across the water, and no one who loves literature and courage will forbear
>to cheer.
At the time this article was written I had believed for some time that
columnists in the Times and other journalists had been making references to
my situation. Nothing unusual about this you may think, plenty of people
have the same sort of ideas and obviously the papers aren't writing about
them, so why should my beliefs not be as false as those of others?
What makes this article so extraordinary is that three or four days
immediately preceding its publication, I had a meeting with a friend,
during the course of which we discussed the media persecution, and in
particular that by Times columnists. It seemed to me, reading the article
by Levin in Saturday’s paper, that he was describing in some detail his
"artist’s impression" of that meeting. Most telling are the final
sentences, when he writes, "The madman bursts into tears, and swears it is
all true. And it is." Although I did not "burst into tears" (he seems to be
using a bit of poetic licence and exaggerating) I did try hard to convince
my friend that it was all true; and I am able to concur with Mr Levin,
because, of course, it is.
At the beginning of the piece Levin reveals a fear of being attacked by the
"irrational" subject of his story, saying "I have no reason to believe that
he is violent, but he should certainly be approached with caution". This
goes back to the xenophobic propaganda of "defence" against a "threat"
which was seen at the very beginning of the harassment. The impression of a
"madman running loose" who needs to be controlled through an agency which
assigns to itself the mantle of the "police" is also one which had been
expressed elsewhere.
In the final paragraph of this extract, his reference to Everyman’s Library
as having "died a lingering and shameful death a decade or so ago" shows
clearly what sort of conclusion they wish to their campaign. They want a
permanent solution, and as they are prevented from achieving that solution
directly, they waste significant resources on methods which have been
repeatedly shown to be ineffective for such a purpose.
744
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 17:12:14
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"bfd" <bfd853@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1167172796.865108.294590@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
>> news:1167157428.453941.321050@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>> > Get a real bike and more people can fix it!!!
>>
>> Big Jim has a good point here, but he does not realize how much we
>> recumbent
>> cyclists insist on comfort, something that you can never get on an
>> upright.
>>
>> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking
>> mad
>> I could kill myself for being so stupid as to think an upright could ever
>> be
>> comfortable for more than half an hour. Screw all uprights all the way to
>> hell and back! The g.d. things are nothing but torture racks. One thing
>> is
>> for sure, they were never designed for the human anatomy.
>>
> Have you tried Rivendell's style of fitting? Maybe some reading
> material will help:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/how_to_pick_your_bike
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/choosing_a_frame_size
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/our_approach_to_fit_sizing_and_riding_position
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/assorted_reading/common_everyday_bike_set-up_mistakes
>
> Good Luck with all that!
All of the above is water over the dam as far as I am concerned. I have been
there and done it - many, many times.
I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself an expert
on the subject of comfort. If you are young and physically fit you can more
or less be comfortable on an upright for several hours at best, but even
then you cannot be comfortable on them all day every day for weeks at a
time.
A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You give up
some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more than worth it. This
is actually a subject not even worth talking about as anyone who knows
recumbents can tell you.
Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with them will
find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At that point, you will
either give up cycling - or you will graduate to recumbents.
Good Luck with all that - indeed!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 22:43:18
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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In article <zq6dnWrqwqzKMQzYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@prairiewave.com >,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
> I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself an
> expert on the subject of comfort. If you are young and physically fit
> you can more or less be comfortable on an upright for several hours
> at best, but even then you cannot be comfortable on them all day
> every day for weeks at a time.
>
> A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You give
> up some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more than
> worth it. This is actually a subject not even worth talking about as
> anyone who knows recumbents can tell you.
>
> Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with them
> will find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At that point,
> you will either give up cycling - or you will graduate to recumbents.
Oh bullshit as usual, Edward. I find my uprights comfortable enough to
ride up to 400 km in 24 hours. How much more comfortable do I need my
bike to be? I'm 47. I know people in their 50s and 60s and even 70s
who do this kind of riding on uprights quite comfortably.
Once again you are overgeneralizing. What is true for you may not be
true for others. If recumbents keep you riding I think that's great and
more power to you. If I develop some kind of health problem which
results in a choice between not riding and getting a recumbent, I'll get
a recumbent. A few friends of mine ride recumbents because they just
like 'em. Two friends of mine with cervical disk problems have gone
this route quite happily because they don't aggravate their proximal
and/or distal pain. I have a cervical disk problem of my own and who
knows? I might be on a recumbent one of these days too. It's great
that there are options!
As far as the comfort question goes, for some reason most people I see
on recumbents around here are middle aged guys who are 50-75 pounds
overweight. I think I have spotted the problem with normal bikes being
uncomfortable for them. I hear a lot of complaints about "recumbent
butt" to make it clear that recumbents are no panacea.
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 23:42:35
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"Tim McNaa" <timmcn@bitstream.net > wrote in message
news:timmcn-4FDF4D.22431826122006@news.iphouse.com...
> In article <zq6dnWrqwqzKMQzYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>
>> I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself an
>> expert on the subject of comfort. If you are young and physically fit
>> you can more or less be comfortable on an upright for several hours
>> at best, but even then you cannot be comfortable on them all day
>> every day for weeks at a time.
>>
>> A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You give
>> up some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more than
>> worth it. This is actually a subject not even worth talking about as
>> anyone who knows recumbents can tell you.
>>
>> Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with them
>> will find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At that point,
>> you will either give up cycling - or you will graduate to recumbents.
>
> Oh bullshit as usual, Edward. I find my uprights comfortable enough to
> ride up to 400 km in 24 hours. How much more comfortable do I need my
> bike to be? I'm 47. I know people in their 50s and 60s and even 70s
> who do this kind of riding on uprights quite comfortably.
But you do not get TOTAL comfort on an upright like you do on a recumbent. I
am insulted when discomfort kicks in on a bike, but maybe you do not mind
being insulted by discomfort. This is all a function of one's intelligence
of course.
I do not know of anyone in their 70's who can ride an upright with any
degree of comfort. Hey, live long enough and even you may get to be wise
like me.
> Once again you are overgeneralizing. What is true for you may not be
> true for others. If recumbents keep you riding I think that's great and
> more power to you. If I develop some kind of health problem which
> results in a choice between not riding and getting a recumbent, I'll get
> a recumbent. A few friends of mine ride recumbents because they just
> like 'em. Two friends of mine with cervical disk problems have gone
> this route quite happily because they don't aggravate their proximal
> and/or distal pain. I have a cervical disk problem of my own and who
> knows? I might be on a recumbent one of these days too. It's great
> that there are options!
It has nothing to do with health problems. It has everything to do with
getting old and feeble. You will be more comfortable on a recumbent and you
can leave speed to the teenagers where it belongs. The most pathetic sight
in the world is a middle age slob attempting to keep up with teenagers,
whether on a bike or in other department of life.
> As far as the comfort question goes, for some reason most people I see
> on recumbents around here are middle aged guys who are 50-75 pounds
> overweight. I think I have spotted the problem with normal bikes being
> uncomfortable for them. I hear a lot of complaints about "recumbent
> butt" to make it clear that recumbents are no panacea.
Yes, almost all Americans over a certain age are overweight. What else is
new?
Recumbent butt only kicks in for those too stupid to solve the problem. All
that is required in most cases is just more foam padding and a sufficient
lean back. It is the main reason why you do not want the BB to be too low.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
PS. Are you any relation to Jim McNaa, an adversary of mine on ARBR from
Chicago that I have been feuding with for years?
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 08:19:57
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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In article <uuudneO9CJRImg_YnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@prairiewave.com >,
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
> "Tim McNaa" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
> news:timmcn-4FDF4D.22431826122006@news.iphouse.com...
> > In article <zq6dnWrqwqzKMQzYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself
> >> an expert on the subject of comfort. If you are young and
> >> physically fit you can more or less be comfortable on an upright
> >> for several hours at best, but even then you cannot be comfortable
> >> on them all day every day for weeks at a time.
> >>
> >> A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You
> >> give up some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more
> >> than worth it. This is actually a subject not even worth talking
> >> about as anyone who knows recumbents can tell you.
> >>
> >> Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with
> >> them will find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At
> >> that point, you will either give up cycling - or you will graduate
> >> to recumbents.
> >
> > Oh bullshit as usual, Edward. I find my uprights comfortable
> > enough to ride up to 400 km in 24 hours. How much more comfortable
> > do I need my bike to be? I'm 47. I know people in their 50s and
> > 60s and even 70s who do this kind of riding on uprights quite
> > comfortably.
>
> But you do not get TOTAL comfort on an upright like you do on a
> recumbent. I am insulted when discomfort kicks in on a bike, but
> maybe you do not mind being insulted by discomfort. This is all a
> function of one's intelligence of course.
No, in this case it is a function of your self-righteousness.
> I do not know of anyone in their 70's who can ride an upright with
> any degree of comfort.
Then you don't know enough cyclists.
> Hey, live long enough and even you may get to be wise like me.
I'll pass on being wise like you, thanks.
> > Once again you are overgeneralizing. What is true for you may not
> > be true for others. If recumbents keep you riding I think that's
> > great and more power to you. If I develop some kind of health
> > problem which results in a choice between not riding and getting a
> > recumbent, I'll get a recumbent. A few friends of mine ride
> > recumbents because they just like 'em. Two friends of mine with
> > cervical disk problems have gone this route quite happily because
> > they don't aggravate their proximal and/or distal pain. I have a
> > cervical disk problem of my own and who knows? I might be on a
> > recumbent one of these days too. It's great that there are
> > options!
>
> It has nothing to do with health problems. It has everything to do
> with getting old and feeble.
Or you can skip the getting feeble part. A good exercise program can
prevent many of the losses stereotypically associated with aging.
Older people derive the same benefits from aerobic and resistance
training as young people, and in addition derive improved vigor and
mental capacity. The risk of dementia, falls, injuries due to falls,
and of nursing home placement is reduced by regular exercise.
> You will be more comfortable on a recumbent and you can leave speed
> to the teenagers where it belongs. The most pathetic sight in the
> world is a middle age slob attempting to keep up with teenagers,
> whether on a bike or in other department of life.
One of the most sights is a fit middle aged person leading the paceline
with the young 'uns struggling to keep up.
> > As far as the comfort question goes, for some reason most people I
> > see on recumbents around here are middle aged guys who are 50-75
> > pounds overweight. I think I have spotted the problem with normal
> > bikes being uncomfortable for them. I hear a lot of complaints
> > about "recumbent butt" to make it clear that recumbents are no
> > panacea.
>
> Yes, almost all Americans over a certain age are overweight. What
> else is new?
That's a fixable problem.
> Recumbent butt only kicks in for those too stupid to solve the
> problem. All that is required in most cases is just more foam padding
> and a sufficient lean back. It is the main reason why you do not want
> the BB to be too low.
I like the BB just behind my knees.
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of
> the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> PS. Are you any relation to Jim McNaa, an adversary of mine on
> ARBR from Chicago that I have been feuding with for years?
No.
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Date: 29 Dec 2006 00:21:51
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"Tim McNaa" <timmcn@bitstream.net > wrote in message
news:timmcn-FB12A8.08195727122006@news.iphouse.com...
> In article <uuudneO9CJRImg_YnZ2dnUVZ_vyunZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>
>> "Tim McNaa" <timmcn@bitstream.net> wrote in message
>> news:timmcn-4FDF4D.22431826122006@news.iphouse.com...
>> > In article <zq6dnWrqwqzKMQzYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@prairiewave.com>,
>> > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself
>> >> an expert on the subject of comfort. If you are young and
>> >> physically fit you can more or less be comfortable on an upright
>> >> for several hours at best, but even then you cannot be comfortable
>> >> on them all day every day for weeks at a time.
>> >>
>> >> A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You
>> >> give up some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more
>> >> than worth it. This is actually a subject not even worth talking
>> >> about as anyone who knows recumbents can tell you.
>> >>
>> >> Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with
>> >> them will find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At
>> >> that point, you will either give up cycling - or you will graduate
>> >> to recumbents.
>> >
>> > Oh bullshit as usual, Edward. I find my uprights comfortable
>> > enough to ride up to 400 km in 24 hours. How much more comfortable
>> > do I need my bike to be? I'm 47. I know people in their 50s and
>> > 60s and even 70s who do this kind of riding on uprights quite
>> > comfortably.
>>
>> But you do not get TOTAL comfort on an upright like you do on a
>> recumbent. I am insulted when discomfort kicks in on a bike, but
>> maybe you do not mind being insulted by discomfort. This is all a
>> function of one's intelligence of course.
>
> No, in this case it is a function of your self-righteousness.
>
>> I do not know of anyone in their 70's who can ride an upright with
>> any degree of comfort.
>
> Then you don't know enough cyclists.
>
>> Hey, live long enough and even you may get to be wise like me.
>
> I'll pass on being wise like you, thanks.
>
>> > Once again you are overgeneralizing. What is true for you may not
>> > be true for others. If recumbents keep you riding I think that's
>> > great and more power to you. If I develop some kind of health
>> > problem which results in a choice between not riding and getting a
>> > recumbent, I'll get a recumbent. A few friends of mine ride
>> > recumbents because they just like 'em. Two friends of mine with
>> > cervical disk problems have gone this route quite happily because
>> > they don't aggravate their proximal and/or distal pain. I have a
>> > cervical disk problem of my own and who knows? I might be on a
>> > recumbent one of these days too. It's great that there are
>> > options!
>>
>> It has nothing to do with health problems. It has everything to do
>> with getting old and feeble.
>
> Or you can skip the getting feeble part. A good exercise program can
> prevent many of the losses stereotypically associated with aging.
> Older people derive the same benefits from aerobic and resistance
> training as young people, and in addition derive improved vigor and
> mental capacity. The risk of dementia, falls, injuries due to falls,
> and of nursing home placement is reduced by regular exercise.
All of the above is spoken like a true ignoramus who does not yet know what
it is like to get old and feeble. There is no cure for it of course except
for it to happen to him personally - and it surely will no matter how hard
he whistles as he passes by the graveyard.
>> You will be more comfortable on a recumbent and you can leave speed
>> to the teenagers where it belongs. The most pathetic sight in the
>> world is a middle age slob attempting to keep up with teenagers,
>> whether on a bike or in other department of life.
>
> One of the most sights is a fit middle aged person leading the paceline
> with the young 'uns struggling to keep up.
>
>> > As far as the comfort question goes, for some reason most people I
>> > see on recumbents around here are middle aged guys who are 50-75
>> > pounds overweight. I think I have spotted the problem with normal
>> > bikes being uncomfortable for them. I hear a lot of complaints
>> > about "recumbent butt" to make it clear that recumbents are no
>> > panacea.
>>
>> Yes, almost all Americans over a certain age are overweight. What
>> else is new?
>
> That's a fixable problem.
>
>> Recumbent butt only kicks in for those too stupid to solve the
>> problem. All that is required in most cases is just more foam padding
>> and a sufficient lean back. It is the main reason why you do not want
>> the BB to be too low.
>
> I like the BB just behind my knees.
>
>> PS. Are you any relation to Jim McNaa, an adversary of mine on
>> ARBR from Chicago that I have been feuding with for years?
>
> No.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 23:20:57
From: KERRY MONTGOMERY
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:zq6dnWrqwqzKMQzYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> "bfd" <bfd853@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1167172796.865108.294590@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1167157428.453941.321050@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>> > Get a real bike and more people can fix it!!!
>>>
>>> Big Jim has a good point here, but he does not realize how much we
>>> recumbent
>>> cyclists insist on comfort, something that you can never get on an
>>> upright.
>>>
>>> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking
>>> mad
>>> I could kill myself for being so stupid as to think an upright could
>>> ever be
>>> comfortable for more than half an hour. Screw all uprights all the way
>>> to
>>> hell and back! The g.d. things are nothing but torture racks. One thing
>>> is
>>> for sure, they were never designed for the human anatomy.
>>>
>> Have you tried Rivendell's style of fitting? Maybe some reading
>> material will help:
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/how_to_pick_your_bike
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/choosing_a_frame_size
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/how_to_pick_your_bike/our_approach_to_fit_sizing_and_riding_position
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/assorted_reading/common_everyday_bike_set-up_mistakes
>>
>> Good Luck with all that!
>
> All of the above is water over the dam as far as I am concerned. I have
> been there and done it - many, many times.
>
> I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself an
> expert on the subject of comfort. If you are young and physically fit you
> can more or less be comfortable on an upright for several hours at best,
> but even then you cannot be comfortable on them all day every day for
> weeks at a time.
>
> A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You give up
> some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more than worth it.
> This is actually a subject not even worth talking about as anyone who
> knows recumbents can tell you.
>
> Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with them will
> find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At that point, you will
> either give up cycling - or you will graduate to recumbents.
>
> Good Luck with all that - indeed!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
I've been around bikes for the past 40 years, around this world for 56, and
in fact can live with upright bicycles.
Kerry
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 06:27:02
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"KERRY MONTGOMERY" <kamontgo@teleport.com > wrote in message
news:t7ikh.3987$w91.1156@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
<snip >
> I've been around bikes for the past 40 years, around this world for 56,
and
> in fact can live with upright bicycles.
> Kerry
>
Sniveling, dirty legged kid, 55 and 63 respectively.
I tried riding a bent for a few minutes about 30 years ago and I just felt
to uncomfortable trying to keep it balanced.
I can appreciate that for some people with physical limitations, a bent is
the only way that they can enjoy cycling. That's great for them.
Chas.
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 17:43:52
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"KERRY MONTGOMERY" <kamontgo@teleport.com > wrote in message
news:t7ikh.3987$w91.1156@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:zq6dnWrqwqzKMQzYnZ2dnUVZ_syunZ2d@prairiewave.com...
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>> "bfd" <bfd853@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1167172796.865108.294590@n51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>> <bigjim@backpacker.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1167157428.453941.321050@a3g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> > Get a real bike and more people can fix it!!!
>>>>
>>>> Big Jim has a good point here, but he does not realize how much we
>>>> recumbent
>>>> cyclists insist on comfort, something that you can never get on an
>>>> upright.
>>>>
>>>> When I ride an upright and it starts to cause me pain I get so freaking
>>>> mad
>>>> I could kill myself for being so stupid as to think an upright could
>>>> ever be
>>>> comfortable for more than half an hour. Screw all uprights all the way
>>>> to
>>>> hell and back! The g.d. things are nothing but torture racks. One
>>>> thing is
>>>> for sure, they were never designed for the human anatomy.
>>>>
>>> Have you tried Rivendell's style of fitting? Maybe some reading
>>> material will help:
[...]
>>> Good Luck with all that!
>>
>> All of the above is water over the dam as far as I am concerned. I have
>> been there and done it - many, many times.
>>
>> I have been around bikes for the past 35 years and consider myself an
>> expert on the subject of comfort. If you are young and physically fit you
>> can more or less be comfortable on an upright for several hours at best,
>> but even then you cannot be comfortable on them all day every day for
>> weeks at a time.
>>
>> A recumbent is the ONLY way to go if you want TOTAL comfort. You give up
>> some speed, especially on hills, but the comfort is more than worth it.
>> This is actually a subject not even worth talking about as anyone who
>> knows recumbents can tell you.
>>
>> Those of you presently on uprights who think you can live with them will
>> find out that as you age that you in fact cannot. At that point, you will
>> either give up cycling - or you will graduate to recumbents.
>>
>> Good Luck with all that - indeed!
>
> I've been around bikes for the past 40 years, around this world for 56,
> and in fact can live with upright bicycles.
> Kerry
Yeah, but you are probably an iron man, a species of humans that I have
never had any truck with. Most of us are not iron men. We lose our physical
fitness and strength as we age - and so will you too eventually. I can
assure you that by age 70 you will worship at the altar of Ed Dolan the
Great. You will wonder how I could have been so wise and how you could have
been so ignorant.
The fact is that recumbents are mostly for older folks. I remember when I
thought I could ride uprights forever, but reality intruded. Recumbents mean
that you can continue to ride bikes longer than you ever thought possible
and thereby insure continued fitness and perhaps a longer life.
But I must admit I now see the Grim Reaper around every corner. In the end
of course, nothing can save you, not even cycling!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 01 Jan 2007 05:50:07
From: Tom Kunich
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
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>
> Yeah, but you are probably an iron man, a species of humans that I have
> never had any truck with. Most of us are not iron men. We lose our
> physical fitness and strength as we age - and so will you too eventually.
> I can assure you that by age 70 you will worship at the altar of Ed Dolan
> the Great. You will wonder how I could have been so wise and how you could
> have been so ignorant.
Went on a little 400 mile ride back in September. Road down the coast from
San Francisco to Santa Barbara. The guy leading the ride was 75. The other
three of us were all in our 60's. No one was tired or achy from riding even
on the 90 mile days.
No reason for you to change from recumbents but obviously you never gave
them a proper chance to begin with.
Oh, yeah, and none of us would EVER be classified as "iron men".
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Date: 03 Jan 2007 01:29:36
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"Tom Kunich" <cyclintom@yahoo. com > wrote in message
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> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:3cSdnQOGOuNcLgzYnZ2dnUVZ_qyjnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> Yeah, but you are probably an iron man, a species of humans that I have
>> never had any truck with. Most of us are not iron men. We lose our
>> physical fitness and strength as we age - and so will you too eventually.
>> I can assure you that by age 70 you will worship at the altar of Ed Dolan
>> the Great. You will wonder how I could have been so wise and how you
>> could have been so ignorant.
>
> Went on a little 400 mile ride back in September. Road down the coast from
> San Francisco to Santa Barbara. The guy leading the ride was 75. The other
> three of us were all in our 60's. No one was tired or achy from riding
> even on the 90 mile days.
Do 100 miles a day for 2 weeks and then get back to me on the achy business.
> No reason for you to change from recumbents but obviously you never gave
> them a proper chance to begin with.
>
> Oh, yeah, and none of us would EVER be classified as "iron men".
It is possible for guys in their 60's to do some pretty serious miles on an
upright provided they are physically fit. However, anyone who can also do
those kind of serious miles in their 70's is most definitely an iron man.
They are few and far between.
Most guys I know in their 70's already have one foot in the grave and I am
not far removed from that point myself despite over 30 years of bike riding.
I think what happens is that the body reaches its final plateau in your 70's
and there is no place for it to go from there but downhill. I have never
known anyone in their 80's who did not strike me as extremely frail.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 26 Dec 2006 22:22:13
From: Gareth
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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Can you guys take this off the R.B.M list please?
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Date: 27 Dec 2006 00:53:24
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: My 'Bent Is Starting to Annoy Me
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"Gareth" <gareth@internet.org > wrote in message
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ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
> Can you guys take this off the R.B.M list please?
What the fuck for? There is nothing on RBM except a bunch of idiots
blathering away about nothing at all. All cycling newsgroups are equally
stupid. The sooner you learn this, the better.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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