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Date: 19 Aug 2007 16:48:20
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Subject: MI5 Persecution: Fitted up 26/4/96 (824)
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Subject: Re: MI5? Please can someone explain what's going on here?
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David Stretch (dds@leicester.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <19960418.000817.55@hotch.hotch.demon.co.uk >,
: Iain L M Hotchkies <iain@hotch.demon.co.uk > wrote:
: >The (remote) possibility remains that 'Mike Corley' is either
: >not schizophrenic (but is 'pretending' to be so) or 'he' is
: >a product of a number of persons (?psychology students).
: Given other ways in which I have seen people exploit some of The Internet's
: capabilities to disrupt or indulge in sophistry, or to exploit a medium
: that resembles speech without the non-verbal and intonation cues, etc
: as a means of denigrating others, I question your use, albeit in quotes,
: of the word "remote". I'm not saying it isn't remote and therefore it is
: great, I'm just saying that I don't think we can easily classify it as
: remote, moderate, or great.
I think you can build up quite a good picture based on what someone says
and on their posting patterns. I don't think "The Internet" (capitals, no
less) is as opaque a medium as you make it out to be.
: It is not easy to determine the validity of all information on The
: Internet without making use of extra supplementary information.
: We do have the problem, pointed out by someone else, of the possibly
: "too perfect" textbook characteristics of what is being posted.
I explained that one, but I don't mind explaining it again (you don't
mind having it explained again to you, do you now?). The reason my
"symptoms" are such a perfect fit to the textbook is because the people
causing the campaign "fitted me up" in such a way that what they did
would resemble the symptoms of schizophrenia. Hence TV, radio, other
media, people in the streets etc. By a fortunate coincidence (for them)
these mthods of harassment are the ones which offer easiest channels of
access (for them).
It's really quite neat. All it takes is for people to start believing
that the "symptoms" aren't symptoms but reality, though, and the house of
cards collapses in a heap. And there are _lots_ of people now who knoiw
full well what has gone on.
: If harrassment by email, etc, has happened by someone out of the country,
: can a complaint be made that results in arrest or whatever upon that
: person's entry into the country? An interesting point which Mike may be
: able to inform us about, as he's said he will be in the UK in a few weeks
: time.
Picture the scene at the airport;
"I arrest you for being Mike Corley and mailbombing people"
"But my name isn't Corley. Who he? Mailbombing isn't illegal is it? You'd
have to lock up a lot of people if sending annoying email was a crime"
"Er....."
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: David Stretch: Greenwood Institute of Child Health, Univ. of Leicester, UK.
: dds@leicester.ac.uk Phone:+44 (0)116-254-6100 Fax:+44 (0)116-254-4127
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: context-free parts of articles, conversations and things-on-the-TV and
: assume they are meant for you. Mike, this is called paranoia.
But that's the way real abuse works, too. People interject words and
phrases into what they say which they know will have meaning for the listener.
And sometimes, they make it obvious. The very first evening of my job in
Oxford, we went for a drink with the technical director, and a couple
of other employees. The TD said in an "as-if" aside to one of the others,
"Is this the bloke who's been on TV?" (he said it directly in front of
me, and obviously meant mke to hear him saying it). The other person
replied, "Yes, I think so".
I think the subtext of what the TD said was "Why are they bothering with
him? He's so insignificant, why would they possibly want to spend the
resources going after him and putting all that expensive technology in
his home, when there must be much better targets?". The Technical
Director was given to sometimes disrespecting people, you see, and in my
case he couldn't see the point of anyone expending money on harassing me.
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Illtud Daniel (idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
: Probably 'cos you come across as reasoned & articulate, it's a pity
: about the other stuff :)
Veracity is so unreasonable.
: >>pps. You should still see a doc again Mike.
: >
: >Doing so. Trouble is, all this mental-illness stuff provides camouflage
: >for the harassment, which is real. It alows people who otherwise would
: >consider the harassment seriously to disregard it. It makes conversations
: >with a lawyer or police brief when otherwise it would merit discussion.
: The point is that there are two possibilities happening here-
: 1. There's a large conspiracy of people out to get you, for no
: other reason than that they have the means to do so, and that
: it involves a lot of the Media & a proportion of the public
: 2. You (who admit to having some headspace problems) are suffering
: from acute paranoid schizophrenia.
: Possibility #1 is _possible_, but would be unprecendented (OTOH,
: how would we know?), unfeasible, and many other things beginning
: with _un_ which I can't think of at the moment. Besides, if there
: was something going on, chances are some of us here would know
: about it, and I'm convinced that nobody does.
"Unprecedented" hits the nail on the head. It _is_ unprecedented, but we
have only just reached the technical stage at which it is feasible, and
we know video-spying is done to other people (NB the Diana-Hewitt
episode) and is a routine tool of security agencies.
Perhaps what is unprecedented is not the technical side, but the social
manipulation of many people by a concealed element in what other
countries would be called the secret police. The most disturbing element
is the degree to which people allow themselves to be unquestioningly
manipulated by an evil element within the state.
824
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 13:35:43
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Tom Sherman - liberal, socialist, communist!
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message
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> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:he-dnUI0Bf8SuVXbnZ2dnUVZ_remnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
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>>> I've been studying martial arts for many years. I have no problem with
>>> protecting my family but there is a difference between an immediate
>>> threat and a war.
>>
>> There is no difference at all. They are one and the same thing.
>>
>
> No Ed, they are different. The ability to make distinctions is one of the
> things that we have which sets people apart from other animals.
I recognize an enemy when I see one - you don't. That is the critical
difference that matters.
> Many animals have a fight or flight response based on stimuli which may or
> may not be real danger. Humans have the ability to distinguish and judge.
> To say that they are the same is to revert to animal like decision making.
> We can do better.
We humans are just dumb animals like all the other animals. Since most of us
never use our brains, we are even dumber than the other animals which at
least have reliable instincts.
> But why am I telling you this? You aren't interested in real dialog.
There is something terribly wrong with the way a liberal brain functions.
>>> Don't go mixing apples and oranges when you are talking about issues of
>>> ethics and morals.
>>
>> Jeff Grippe is equating one thing with another. The Palestinian
>> terrorists are not the moral equivalent of the Israeli Defense Force. One
>> is evil, the other is good. This is invariably where you end up when you
>> are not anchored by some kind of religious belief.
>
> Boy talk about pots and kettles. First you equate things and then you
> accuse me of doing it. Nice work Ed.
>
>> Everyone tried to appease Hitler in the 30's until it was too late and we
>> had a great war instead.
>
> Yup. That is true. Sometimes that will be the result. Not every situation
> is the same as every other one, however. Hitler was not acting out a
> centuries old conflict (although there's room to argue that one). Even if
> he was, it is still so that each situation must be taken on its own
> merits. War is never the best answer although it is sometimes the only
> answer. It should, however, always be the last answer.
Here is Jeff Grippe attempting to meet me half way, but I can tell he does
not really believe it. He wants peace at any price even though a defeated
enemy in a war is the surest way to peace.
> Stop pretending to be stupid, Ed. It doesn't suit you well.
"There is something terribly wrong with the way a liberal brain
functions." - Ed Dolan
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 18:16:53
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Tom Sherman - liberal, socialist, communist!
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
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> I recognize an enemy when I see one - you don't. That is the critical
> difference that matters.
You got that right! I don't see individuals as enemy. I've been in Arab
towns in the west bank. During my trip in 2000 (which was the height of
optimism that a deal would be struck) I spent some time in Jenin and Nablus.
These are places you couldn't get near today. The people I met were curious
about us and happy to share their culture.
It is only a small group of fanatics that cause real trouble. It is our poor
behavior that helps the corrupt young minds.
So you are completely correct. I do not recognize the enemy. Too bad for me
I guess.
>
> There is something terribly wrong with the way a liberal brain functions.
>
Again I agree. I wish I had some believable concepts that I could just fall
back on instead of having to think. But that isn't me. I have to think and
reason and draw my own conclusions instead of those that you would like me
to accept. Once again, Too bad for me, I guess.
> Here is Jeff Grippe attempting to meet me half way, but I can tell he does
> not really believe it. He wants peace at any price even though a defeated
> enemy in a war is the surest way to peace.
>
I'm not trying to meet you half way. I'm expressing my opinion of the
matter. You know that I believe the things that I say. The enemys that you
see can not be defeated. There has been war after war after war and yet this
centuries old conflict persists.
Either we, as a species, are too stupid to resolve the conflict (which is
not something I entirely write off) or it simply can't be resolved by war
and we have to find another way. Which is it? I don't know and neither do
you.
Try to say something that demonstrate real thinking, Ed. This nonsense that
you've been posting is beneath you.
Jeff
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 04:30:59
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Tom Sherman - liberal, socialist, communist!
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message
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> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:MsGdnReK0-wsEFXbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>
>> I recognize an enemy when I see one - you don't. That is the critical
>> difference that matters.
>
> You got that right! I don't see individuals as enemy. I've been in Arab
> towns in the west bank. During my trip in 2000 (which was the height of
> optimism that a deal would be struck) I spent some time in Jenin and
> Nablus. These are places you couldn't get near today. The people I met
> were curious about us and happy to share their culture.
>
> It is only a small group of fanatics that cause real trouble. It is our
> poor behavior that helps the corrupt young minds.
It is only the fanatics that matter since they control the agenda. Hells
Bells, even peaceful Muslims will not speak out against the terrorists for
fear of being killed themselves.
> So you are completely correct. I do not recognize the enemy. Too bad for
> me I guess.
If you only confine your activities to teaching young children a delusional
idealism, I suppose you can't do too much harm. They will outgrow your fairy
tales when they become adults.
>> There is something terribly wrong with the way a liberal brain functions.
>>
>
> Again I agree. I wish I had some believable concepts that I could just
> fall back on instead of having to think. But that isn't me. I have to
> think and reason and draw my own conclusions instead of those that you
> would like me to accept. Once again, Too bad for me, I guess.
Yes, individual thinking is very dangerous. There is not one person in a
thousand who can ever get it right. Look at what happened to poor Tom
Sherman. He tried to think and ended up a character in a Monty Python
sketch, more to be pitied than condemned.
>> Here is Jeff Grippe attempting to meet me half way, but I can tell he
>> does not really believe it. He wants peace at any price even though a
>> defeated enemy in a war is the surest way to peace.
>>
>
> I'm not trying to meet you half way. I'm expressing my opinion of the
> matter. You know that I believe the things that I say. The enemys that you
> see can not be defeated. There has been war after war after war and yet
> this centuries old conflict persists.
Israel could easily bring Palestine to a dead stop if it wanted to. The Jews
of the Old Testament knew how to do this. But today's Jews have been
corrupted by Western liberalism. They ought to expel the lot of them from
any and all lands that Israel wants for itself. They have the military might
to do it, but they do no have the moral fiber for it. Palestine does not
belong to the Arabs anymore than it belongs to the Hottentots. Jordan is
their rightful home, not Palestine.
> Either we, as a species, are too stupid to resolve the conflict (which is
> not something I entirely write off) or it simply can't be resolved by war
> and we have to find another way. Which is it? I don't know and neither do
> you.
Conflicts are solved, for better or worse, by TOTAL victory in war,
especially if you slaughter your enemies like the Mongols under Genghis Khan
used to do in the 12th century. Ah, those were the good old days!
> Try to say something that demonstrate real thinking, Ed. This nonsense
> that you've been posting is beneath you.
Read some history, especially ancient and medieval history, if you would
ever like to know what makes our species tick. The solution to the Arab
Terrorist problem is simple - you have got to kill them all since you can't
reason with them.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 13:51:04
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: Tom Sherman - liberal, socialist, communist!
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snip
> He wants peace at any price even though a defeated enemy in a war is the
> surest way to peace.
>
>> Stop pretending to be stupid, Ed. It doesn't suit you well.
>
> "There is something terribly wrong with the way a liberal brain
> functions." - Ed Dolan
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
I remember that Germany was the defeated enemy in 1917, but somehow that
didn't ensure a lasting peace. I think that we should stick to bents because
the political rhetoric here isn't very factual.
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 03:22:34
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Tom Sherman - liberal, socialist, communist!
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"gotbent" <gotbents@spamtrap.com > wrote in message
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> snip
>
>> He wants peace at any price even though a defeated enemy in a war is the
>> surest way to peace.
>>
>>> Stop pretending to be stupid, Ed. It doesn't suit you well.
>>
>> "There is something terribly wrong with the way a liberal brain
>> functions." - Ed Dolan
>>
> I remember that Germany was the defeated enemy in 1917, but somehow that
> didn't ensure a lasting peace. I think that we should stick to bents
> because the political rhetoric here isn't very factual.
The Versailles Treaty concluding WWI was a mess anyway you look at it. A far
better example is what followed the conclusion of WWII. Both Germany and
Japan were totally defeated and occupied for a number of years and they have
been on our side ever since.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 16:02:19
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Tom Sherman - liberal, socialist, communist!
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gotbent aka FVTR wrote:
> snip
>
>> He wants peace at any price even though a defeated enemy in a war is the
>> surest way to peace.
>>
>>> Stop pretending to be stupid, Ed. It doesn't suit you well.
>> "There is something terribly wrong with the way a liberal brain
>> functions." - Ed Dolan
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>>
>>
>>
> I remember that Germany was the defeated enemy in 1917, but somehow that
> didn't ensure a lasting peace. I think that we should stick to bents because
> the political rhetoric here isn't very factual.
It is analogous to a natural resources depletion problem. Ed Dolan once
mined the resources of alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent, where he got easy
responses where he could call people "whacko nuts". When that resource
became depleted so the return on his posting "investment" was poor, Mr.
Ed brought in rec.bicycles.misc and rec.bicycles.soc. Now he has spread
his trolling nets to most of the commonly frequented English language
Usenet cycling groups. However, this has not improved his response rate
much. At some point, Mr. Ed will be limited by the number of groups his
ISP allows him to cross-post to, or that his ISP will shut him down for
excessive cross-posting.
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 03:40:17
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Tom Sherman - liberal, socialist, communist!
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"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@innvalid.com > wrote in message
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> gotbent aka FVTR wrote:
>> snip
>>
>>> He wants peace at any price even though a defeated enemy in a war is the
>>> surest way to peace.
>>>
>>>> Stop pretending to be stupid, Ed. It doesn't suit you well.
>>>
>>> "There is something terribly wrong with the way a liberal brain
>>> functions." - Ed Dolan
>>>
>> I remember that Germany was the defeated enemy in 1917, but somehow that
>> didn't ensure a lasting peace. I think that we should stick to bents
>> because the political rhetoric here isn't very factual.
>
> It is analogous to a natural resources depletion problem. Ed Dolan once
> mined the resources of alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent, where he got easy
> responses where he could call people "whacko nuts". When that resource
> became depleted so the return on his posting "investment" was poor, Mr. Ed
> brought in rec.bicycles.misc and rec.bicycles.soc. Now he has spread his
> trolling nets to most of the commonly frequented English language Usenet
> cycling groups. However, this has not improved his response rate much. At
> some point, Mr. Ed will be limited by the number of groups his ISP allows
> him to cross-post to, or that his ISP will shut him down for excessive
> cross-posting.
I have had the satisfaction of informing all the pertinent cycling
newsgroups that Tom Sherman is a far-left-liberal -whacko-nut (all one
word). As long as you post your noxious poison on these honorable
newsgroups, I will continue to make sure that all and sundry know all about
you and your fucking-liberal-socialist-communist-views (all one word).
As for excessive posting, I can't hold a candle to Tom Sherman. He totally
dominated ARBR until I came along. And it was mostly political crap too. He
also had a chorus of fellow travelers who crooned and crowed along with him.
Those days are long gone, I have seen to that.
I am well satisfied with the response I am presently getting. I know for
everyone who responds, there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, who are
hanging on my every word. Would that you could say the same for yourself.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 Aug 2007 22:12:21
From: Keats
Subject: Re: Tom Sherman - liberal, socialist, communist!
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"Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@innvalid.com > wrote in message
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> It is analogous to a natural resources depletion problem. Ed Dolan once
> mined the resources of alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent, where he got easy
> responses where he could call people "whacko nuts". When that resource
> became depleted so the return on his posting "investment" was poor, Mr. Ed
> brought in rec.bicycles.misc and rec.bicycles.soc. Now he has spread his
> trolling nets to most of the commonly frequented English language Usenet
> cycling groups. However, this has not improved his response rate much. At
> some point, Mr. Ed will be limited by the number of groups his ISP allows
> him to cross-post to, or that his ISP will shut him down for excessive
> cross-posting.
>
> --
Sorry, but I don't get your logic. Why is Mr. Dolan limited to cycling
Usenet groups when there are thousands of other groups out there at the
ready? Wouldn't Mr. Ed's rap work just as well in, say, sci.bio.fisheries
as it would in rec.bicycles.tech? As I see it he doesn't need to know any
thing about biology or fisheries any more than he needs to know anything
about bicycle tech matters to do his thing.
Or am I missing something here?
Keats
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Date: 20 Aug 2007 03:55:07
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Tom Sherman - liberal, socialist, communist!
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"Keats" <keats@nospam.com > wrote in message
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> "Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman" <sunsetss0003@innvalid.com> wrote in message
> news:46c8a3c8$0$28879$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
>>
>> It is analogous to a natural resources depletion problem. Ed Dolan once
>> mined the resources of alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent, where he got easy
>> responses where he could call people "whacko nuts". When that resource
>> became depleted so the return on his posting "investment" was poor, Mr.
>> Ed brought in rec.bicycles.misc and rec.bicycles.soc. Now he has spread
>> his trolling nets to most of the commonly frequented English language
>> Usenet cycling groups. However, this has not improved his response rate
>> much. At some point, Mr. Ed will be limited by the number of groups his
>> ISP allows him to cross-post to, or that his ISP will shut him down for
>> excessive cross-posting.
>>
>> --
>
> Sorry, but I don't get your logic. Why is Mr. Dolan limited to cycling
> Usenet groups when there are thousands of other groups out there at the
> ready? Wouldn't Mr. Ed's rap work just as well in, say, sci.bio.fisheries
> as it would in rec.bicycles.tech? As I see it he doesn't need to know any
> thing about biology or fisheries any more than he needs to know anything
> about bicycle tech matters to do his thing.
>
> Or am I missing something here?
I have more bicycles, both uprights and recumbents, than some bike shops. I
also know as much as anybody about recumbents, but it is a dull and a very
limited subject which is only going to appeal to numskulls like Tom Sherman.
Mr. Sherman is a very funny fellow when he goes on and on about the
esoterica of bicycles - as if anyone cared. However, it would never have
occurred to me to post anything to any of the cycling newsgroups if it
hadn't been for him. He is a notorious liberal-socialist-communist ideologue
who used to pollute ARBR and some of the other cycling newsgroups with his
noxious views. He got away with it for years, but no more. I have seen to
that.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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