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Date: 29 Aug 2005 01:25:45
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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My God Almighty, Ed Dolan the Great, you have done it!
You are now the champion poster of all time to ARBR. Your Greatness humbles
us, poor pitiful typical idiot posters to ARBR that we are and who do not
even deserve to live under your shadow.
Ed, I mean, how the hell did you do it? You beat that damnable Tom Sherman,
who as everyone knows was nothing but a liberal scum bag who infested this
group like forever, but who has now thankfully left for greener pastures and
is no longer soiling this group with his excrement. Your perseverance and
stamina as well as your brilliance (bordering on genius) is a beacon to us
all. If only we could be Great like you!
Ed. let me congratulate you on being not only the most prolific poster of
all time to ARBR but as being the most content laden poster of all time to
ARBR as well. Most of us who post to this group are nothing but one liner
types who should never be on any newsgroup in the first place. We are
nothing but midgets and dwarfs and we beg you not to leave us now that you
have PROVEN to us all that you are the CHAMPION.
Show us mercy and forgive us for being so small mined and for being such
petty idiots. Without you we are nothing. You are an inspiration to us and
we shall attempt to rise to the Greatness that you have shown us. All we ask
is a second chance to prove ourselves to you. Please forgive us for being
idiots. We can't help it. We were born that way. Our brains are severely
deformed.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
PS. I will shortly follow up with my final farewell to ARBR. The fact is
that you do not deserve me nor do I deserve you. My final farewell will I
think be my third or fourth final farewell and there will as usual be much
swearing and cussing and slamming of doors. I will tell of you what I think
of you and I will let the devil take you! Stay tuned.
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 08:36:29
From: ROTB
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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Edward Dolan wrote:
> Jeff Grippe is a Jew and he should embrace his Judaism for it's moral
> teaching just as I embrace my Catholicism for it's moral teaching. ...
> A Jew that is not firmly anchored in his religion,
> at least with respect to it's moral teachings, is a freak of nature to me.
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
"It's" is a contraction of "it is." "Its" is the word you're looking
for, Mr. genius librarian. For a primer, see this link:
www.stormloader.com/garyes/its/#top (And no, Mr. Paranoid Dolan, the
link will not download a virus to your computer.)
--ROTB
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Date: 06 Sep 2005 00:02:01
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"ROTB" <rotb1@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1125934589.451351.201720@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> Jeff Grippe is a Jew and he should embrace his Judaism for it's moral
>> teaching just as I embrace my Catholicism for it's moral teaching. ...
>> A Jew that is not firmly anchored in his religion,
>> at least with respect to it's moral teachings, is a freak of nature to
>> me.
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> "It's" is a contraction of "it is." "Its" is the word you're looking
> for, Mr. genius librarian. For a primer, see this link:
> www.stormloader.com/garyes/its/#top (And no, Mr. Paranoid Dolan, the
> link will not download a virus to your computer.)
>
> --ROTB
That is a mistake I have been making all of my life. I do not do that with
other possessives but it has always seemed to me that "its" should have the
apostrophe. I do know all the contractions of course, but "its" has just
never looked right to me. However, ROTB is quite right about this and I
should not be making this mistake ever again (let us hope).
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 31 Aug 2005 19:02:26
From: Leif
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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>Reflect on those metal properties the next time you board that metal bird
>mister structural engineer.
>Have a nice day Leif.
>Al
O.K., Al. But until that time, let's reflect on your response.
The properties of aluminum, like you, Mr. "Al Luminium", are soft,
pliable, and weak, compared to stronger metals (or in your case,
mettles). A long time ago, really st people figured out that they
could take advantage of aluminum's lightness when they structured (or
yes, "engineered") it to maximize its strength. Now they can make all
kinds of things out of it from beer cans to air planes, and yes, even
recumbent bikes.
But gee whiz, Al, why the hell do I have to explain all this to you?
This stuff's common knowledge; no degree in "structural engineering"
needed.
Also, I'm aware that in the UK, it is sometimes pronounced "Aluminium",
with the "ium" at the end. Do they spell it this way too?
I'm sure I could easily find out if I just took the time to open up a
dictionary, but I suspect your response will be worth not having taken
the effort. Who knows, maybe you'll somehow tie George Bush in to it
too.
-L
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Date: 02 Sep 2005 11:10:05
From: Tim
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On 2005-09-01, Leif <LeifEric@gmail.com > wrote:
[snip]
> Also, I'm aware that in the UK, it is sometimes pronounced "Aluminium",
> with the "ium" at the end. Do they spell it this way too?
>
> I'm sure I could easily find out if I just took the time to open up a
> dictionary, but I suspect your response will be worth not having taken
> the effort. Who knows, maybe you'll somehow tie George Bush in to it
> too.
>
In the UK we do correctly spell element thirteen as aluminium
though we do spell sulphur wrong:)
(IUPAC give the correct spellings as aluminium and sulfur if
anybody is interested.)
--
Tim.
tim@spiny-norman.net
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Date: 02 Sep 2005 09:08:27
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Tim" <tim@spiny-norman.net > wrote in message
news:slrndhgcod.g79.tim@dot.spiny-norman.net...
> On 2005-09-01, Leif <LeifEric@gmail.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>> Also, I'm aware that in the UK, it is sometimes pronounced "Aluminium",
>> with the "ium" at the end. Do they spell it this way too?
>>
>> I'm sure I could easily find out if I just took the time to open up a
>> dictionary, but I suspect your response will be worth not having taken
>> the effort. Who knows, maybe you'll somehow tie George Bush in to it
>> too.
>>
>
> In the UK we do correctly spell element thirteen as aluminium
> though we do spell sulphur wrong:)
>
> (IUPAC give the correct spellings as aluminium and sulfur if
> anybody is interested.)
> --
> Tim.
Hey Tim, since you lost your empire and have become a second rate nation, it
no longer matters how the Brits do anything anymore. We Americans are now in
the driver's seat since we are the only super power left in the world.
You Brits needed to win your wars better. I would not have minded at all
living in the age of Queen Victoria, but I will take a pass on your present
reduced circumstances. If you want to dictate anything to anyone respecting
the English language, come to America and forsake lowly Britain (no longer
Great).
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 02 Sep 2005 23:40:30
From: Tim
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On 2005-09-02, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
>
> "Tim" <tim@spiny-norman.net> wrote in message
> news:slrndhgcod.g79.tim@dot.spiny-norman.net...
[snip]
>> In the UK we do correctly spell element thirteen as aluminium
>> though we do spell sulphur wrong:)
>>
>> (IUPAC give the correct spellings as aluminium and sulfur if
>> anybody is interested.)
>> --
>> Tim.
>
> Hey Tim, since you lost your empire and have become a second rate nation, it
> no longer matters how the Brits do anything anymore. We Americans are now in
> the driver's seat since we are the only super power left in the world.
>
> You Brits needed to win your wars better. I would not have minded at all
> living in the age of Queen Victoria, but I will take a pass on your present
> reduced circumstances. If you want to dictate anything to anyone respecting
> the English language, come to America and forsake lowly Britain (no longer
> Great).
>
The issue isn't necessarily the spelling of the names of the
elements being "right" or "wrong" because that's how it's done in the
UK. The correct/ official spellings are aluminium and sulfur because the
International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) say so.
--
Tim.
tim@spiny-norman.net
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Date: 03 Sep 2005 05:14:59
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Tim" <tim@spiny-norman.net > wrote in message
news:slrndhhone.koh.tim@dot.spiny-norman.net...
> On 2005-09-02, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>> "Tim" <tim@spiny-norman.net> wrote in message
>> news:slrndhgcod.g79.tim@dot.spiny-norman.net...
> [snip]
>>> In the UK we do correctly spell element thirteen as aluminium
>>> though we do spell sulphur wrong:)
>>>
>>> (IUPAC give the correct spellings as aluminium and sulfur if
>>> anybody is interested.)
>>> --
>>> Tim.
>>
>> Hey Tim, since you lost your empire and have become a second rate nation,
>> it
>> no longer matters how the Brits do anything anymore. We Americans are now
>> in
>> the driver's seat since we are the only super power left in the world.
>>
>> You Brits needed to win your wars better. I would not have minded at all
>> living in the age of Queen Victoria, but I will take a pass on your
>> present
>> reduced circumstances. If you want to dictate anything to anyone
>> respecting
>> the English language, come to America and forsake lowly Britain (no
>> longer
>> Great).
>>
>
> The issue isn't necessarily the spelling of the names of the
> elements being "right" or "wrong" because that's how it's done in the
> UK. The correct/ official spellings are aluminium and sulfur because the
> International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) say so.
Maybe so, but in the end it will be how intelligent and educated Americans
say it and write it. IUPAC will have no more to say about it than does the
French Academy about how the French language is used.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 08:36:01
From: Tim
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On 2005-09-03, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
>
> "Tim" <tim@spiny-norman.net> wrote in message
> news:slrndhhone.koh.tim@dot.spiny-norman.net...
[snip]
>> The issue isn't necessarily the spelling of the names of the
>> elements being "right" or "wrong" because that's how it's done in the
>> UK. The correct/ official spellings are aluminium and sulfur because the
>> International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) say so.
>
> Maybe so, but in the end it will be how intelligent and educated Americans
> say it and write it. IUPAC will have no more to say about it than does the
> French Academy about how the French language is used.
>
Intelligent and educated Americans submitting papers to journals
seem to mainly be following the recieved international spelling. I've
little access to American textbooks but I understand that at University
level the IUPAC recomendations are followed.
--
Tim.
tim@spiny-norman.net
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 04:35:18
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Tim" <tim@spiny-norman.net > wrote in message
news:slrndho0rh.3rn.tim@dot.spiny-norman.net...
> On 2005-09-03, Edward Dolan <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>> "Tim" <tim@spiny-norman.net> wrote in message
>> news:slrndhhone.koh.tim@dot.spiny-norman.net...
> [snip]
>>> The issue isn't necessarily the spelling of the names of the
>>> elements being "right" or "wrong" because that's how it's done in the
>>> UK. The correct/ official spellings are aluminium and sulfur because the
>>> International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) say so.
>>
>> Maybe so, but in the end it will be how intelligent and educated
>> Americans
>> say it and write it. IUPAC will have no more to say about it than does
>> the
>> French Academy about how the French language is used.
>>
>
> Intelligent and educated Americans submitting papers to journals
> seem to mainly be following the recieved international spelling. I've
> little access to American textbooks but I understand that at University
> level the IUPAC recomendations are followed.
> --
> Tim.
I am saying and writing aluminum and sulphur and, since I am a highly
educated and super intelligent American, I have no doubt that the entire
world (except dowdy old England) will end up in my corner - provided America
remains the super power that it presently is and that Britain will never
again be Great.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 30 Aug 2005 17:40:16
From: Leif
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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> Who the fock are you Leif? The blunt end of the battering ram on G Bush's
> war on intelligence?
I am unaware that Bush has waged such a war. But I do find it
interesting that you've included him along with John Wayne in your
insult to me.
> You are just
>some little obnoxious dipshit with an oversized ego deluding yourself with
>your wannbe John Wayne swagger and rapier sharp wit.
No, I'm merely responding to the tiresome posts of your heroes, "the
Johnnys". And for this, I'm an asshole.
>At
>least the Johnnys are funny in their parodies of themselves.
You're right, Al. These posts are hysterical. I especially like:
>"Impotent old men that don't bathe themselves are not
>worthy of the FASTEST STOCK BIKE IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE."
>"A lot of people on ARBR think you should go and f..., er copulate with
>yourself."
>"All Monkeys on the Island know Johnny NoCom [Fastest
>Stock Bike in the Known Universe] is not Ed Gin."
But my all time favorite is:
>'Johnny ReBike [Slowest Bike in the Known Universe] sez - Leif is Clitoris
>Lee Jr."
LOL!!! Man is that humor or what?
Hey and speaking of parodies, I love yours, "Al Luminium". It's
perfect for you! A soft, pliable, comparatively weak metal for a soft,
pliable person of comparatively weak mettle.
Now quickly, Al, run back to the safety of newsfeeds.com and rejoin the
circle jerk still in progress with your friends, the Johnnys. When
you're all done, wipe off and think long and hard about a really good
retort. Maybe even throw in Gerorge Bush and John Wayne again....or
some other threatening icon of American machismo. That is, after all,
what this is all about now isn't it, Mr. soft, weak, pliable metal?
I thought so.
>Who the fock are you Leif?
I'm your worst focking nighte. Now go fock yourself.
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Date: 31 Aug 2005 17:48:14
From: Al Luminium
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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> Hey and speaking of parodies, I love yours, "Al Luminium". It's
> perfect for you! A soft, pliable, comparatively weak metal for a soft,
> pliable person of comparatively weak mettle.
>
>
>>Who the fock are you Leif?
>
> I'm your worst focking nighte. Now go fock yourself.
>
Reflect on those metal properties the next time you board that metal bird
mister structural engineer.
Have a nice day Leif.
Al
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Date: 31 Aug 2005 08:01:06
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On 30-Aug-2005, "Leif" <LeifEric@gmail.com > wrote:
> You're right, Al. These posts are hysterical. I especially like:
>
> >"Impotent old men that don't bathe themselves are not
> >worthy of the FASTEST STOCK BIKE IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE."
>
> >"A lot of people on ARBR think you should go and f..., er copulate with
> >yourself."
>
> >"All Monkeys on the Island know Johnny NoCom [Fastest
> >Stock Bike in the Known Universe] is not Ed Gin."
Yo leif, dolan was the one who bragged about being focking filthy, a monkey
has better grooming than mr ed.
Only the truly ignorant, out of the loop people think Ed Gin is Johnny NoCom
[Fastest Stock Bike in the Known Universe]. Monkeys know better. Even slow
Johnny ReBike [Slowest Bike in the Known Universe] knows that much about
Monkeys.
--
Johnny ReBike
ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe
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Date: 31 Aug 2005 23:22:29
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@JohnnyReBike.com > wrote in message
news:1125475424_421@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>
> On 30-Aug-2005, "Leif" <LeifEric@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You're right, Al. These posts are hysterical. I especially like:
>>
>> >"Impotent old men that don't bathe themselves are not
>> >worthy of the FASTEST STOCK BIKE IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE."
>>
>> >"A lot of people on ARBR think you should go and f..., er copulate with
>> >yourself."
>>
>> >"All Monkeys on the Island know Johnny NoCom [Fastest
>> >Stock Bike in the Known Universe] is not Ed Gin."
>
> Yo leif, dolan was the one who bragged about being focking filthy, a
> monkey
> has better grooming than mr ed.
My post was all about the idiocy of those who think cleanliness is next to
Godliness. Since I am next to God Himself, I know this to be false.
Cleanliness is NOT next to Godliness and those who think it is are just
simple minded folks who do not know any better. A bit of sweat from cycling
never hurt anybody.
> Only the truly ignorant, out of the loop people think Ed Gin is Johnny
> NoCom
> [Fastest Stock Bike in the Known Universe]. Monkeys know better. Even slow
> Johnny ReBike [Slowest Bike in the Known Universe] knows that much about
> Monkeys.
Any one who posts to this group under the name "Johnny" whatever is Ed Gin -
make no mistake about that. As far as I am concerned he is free to say
anything he wants as long as he does not steal other's names and addresses.
That is criminal behavior pure and simple. Sock puppets are also a bore and
an insult to the adult mentality. Surely there must be some newsgroups for
children where such as Ed Gin can be accomodated.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 01 Sep 2005 09:33:04
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:IYmdnZ2dnZ1WTQGDnZ2dnZcfi96dnZ2dRVn-zZ2dnZ0@prairiewave.com...
...
I thought you had bid us farewell. Is my understanding of goodbye
incomplete?
By the way Ed, we can easily tell a saint by his or her actions. It is not
necessary for you to tell us in your signature that you are a saint. I dare
say that a real saint wouldn't do it. I believe that pride is one of the
seven deadly sins.
Now I, myself, indulge in many of the big seven but then, I make no claims
to sainthood nor do I aspire to it.
Jeff
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Date: 01 Sep 2005 10:06:30
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message
news:11he0r43vlg6d34@news.supernews.com...
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:IYmdnZ2dnZ1WTQGDnZ2dnZcfi96dnZ2dRVn-zZ2dnZ0@prairiewave.com...
>
> ...
>
> I thought you had bid us farewell. Is my understanding of goodbye
> incomplete?
I am only tying up loose ends in connection with those few threads that I
post to. After all, there is no sense in letting idiots have the last word -
ever!
> By the way Ed, we can easily tell a saint by his or her actions. It is not
> necessary for you to tell us in your signature that you are a saint. I
> dare say that a real saint wouldn't do it. I believe that pride is one of
> the seven deadly sins.
If others here on ARBR crow about how lustful they are, then I shall
proclaim my holiness. After all, there is no sense in letting sinners have
the last word - ever!
> Now I, myself, indulge in many of the big seven but then, I make no claims
> to sainthood nor do I aspire to it.
We should all aspire to sainthood and more than that we should aspire to
become God. But admittedly, not everyone can be Great like me, let alone a
Great Saint.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 01 Sep 2005 12:53:34
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:iKmdnaLIjtJmhYreRVn-ig@prairiewave.com...
> After all, there is no sense in letting idiots have the last word - ever!
Think about it logically. If you are going (you say you are), we are staying
(some of us are certainly), and we are idiots (by your reckoning), then
idiots will have the last word. It is out of your control unless you really
aren't going.
> If others here on ARBR crow about how lustful they are, then I shall
> proclaim my holiness. After all, there is no sense in letting sinners have
> the last word - ever!
I don't really think of it as "crowing about how lustful" I am. I suppose
I'm no more or less lustful then average. I do not claim to be free of sin.
You, however, in your postings, sin constantly.
Whether you like it or not, sin is a religious term (so is saint for that
matter). Your words and actions must be judged by a religious standard and
not by some standard which you invent.
You could, if you like, call yourself a "Paragon" or make up some other word
that implies your supposed high moral stand. You would then be free use it
as you desire without running into concepts that have already been well
defined.
"Saint", however, is not yours to use as you see fit.
Jeff
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Date: 02 Sep 2005 00:30:37
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message
news:11heck3t2n968c2@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:iKmdnaLIjtJmhYreRVn-ig@prairiewave.com...
>
>> After all, there is no sense in letting idiots have the last word - ever!
>
> Think about it logically. If you are going (you say you are), we are
> staying (some of us are certainly), and we are idiots (by your reckoning),
> then idiots will have the last word. It is out of your control unless you
> really aren't going.
Just stop posting to this particular thread. 99% of the subject threads on
ARBR have little or no interest to me and so I do not post to them. However,
this thread is all about me and so I will stay tuned until hell freezes
over.
>> If others here on ARBR crow about how lustful they are, then I shall
>> proclaim my holiness. After all, there is no sense in letting sinners
>> have the last word - ever!
>
> I don't really think of it as "crowing about how lustful" I am. I suppose
> I'm no more or less lustful then average. I do not claim to be free of
> sin. You, however, in your postings, sin constantly.
No, I am free of sin. I was born like Our Blessed Virgin y. I was
immaculately conceived and came into this world free of original sin. Can't
you tell?
> Whether you like it or not, sin is a religious term (so is saint for that
> matter). Your words and actions must be judged by a religious standard and
> not by some standard which you invent.
The only standard I am applying to myself are the standards that prevail
here on ARBR. Most like you are not bad guys but there are a few here who
send me into orbit. They know who they are and I have managed to get rid of
most of them, much to the benefit of ARBR as a newsgroup.
Jeff, there is damn little morality in this world that is not based on
religion. Secular morality fails us every time. When we depend upon it, we
end up with the most god awful tyrannies. All the great tyrants of the last
century thought they were moral, but it was not anchored in religion and so
ended up a horror. Even the Muslims are better off for having a morality
anchored in religion. There would be no Jews in the world if it were not for
their religion based on the written word. The Jews are preeminently the
people of the Book. Disregard your Book at your peril.
> You could, if you like, call yourself a "Paragon" or make up some other
> word that implies your supposed high moral stand. You would then be free
> use it as you desire without running into concepts that have already been
> well defined.
>
> "Saint", however, is not yours to use as you see fit.
Yes, it is! Everyone these days thinks saints are ridiculous creatures right
out of the Middle Ages, but I am here to remind you that saints are not
nearly so ridiculous as you imagine them to be. Saints remind us of our
mortality. They make us think on things not of this world but of the
nothingness of the universe and most particularly of our own nothingness. I
sit high on the mountain like all Great Saints staring into space - and I
only commune with the bald eagles.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 02 Sep 2005 06:24:50
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:jbednTOQE4sZforeRVn-ug@prairiewave.com...
> I will stay tuned until hell freezes over.
The truth at last. Well done Ed.
> No, I am free of sin. I was born like Our Blessed Virgin y. I was
> immaculately conceived and came into this world free of original sin.
> Can't you tell?
Well that my be so but you have sinned a lot since then. You love to compare
yourself to "Our Blessed Virgin y" but it would seem that the teachings
of her son have no meaning for you. You clearly have abandoned them and
while you lay claim to moral superiority, that claim itself is yet another
sin.
>> "Saint", however, is not yours to use as you see fit.
>
> Yes, it is!
No it isn't! Really! I think if you were to survey those who actually
believe in Saints they would agree that with the exception of the football
team (really bad joke considering the circumstances), sainthood is
determined by people who have not chosen you.
You can disregard this and say that you are using the word to mean what you
want it to mean and not what it really does mean. You would then be leaving
the world of concentual reality behind you. The common term for people who
do that is crazy.
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Date: 08 Sep 2005 20:53:25
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Sunset Lowracers (was: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!)
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Edward Dolan, who apparently does not own an Earth Cycles Sunset
Lowracer [TM], wrote:
> "Sunset Fanatic" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1126221669.425919.163870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > ...
> > On topic content: The proper name of the bike is "Earth Cycles Sunset
> > Lowracer [TM]"; therefore "sunset" should be capitalized to "Sunset" in
> > this context.
>
> The rest of the world is not enamored of the Sunset like you are. Therefore,
> you have created confusion where none existed before.
The rest of world needs to get with the program then!
Q: What is better than an Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]?
A: Two Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracers [TM]!
Best of all, I can post as much as I want to a.r.b.r. about my Sunsets,
AND IT WILL ALL BE ON-TOPIC! :)
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
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Date: 09 Sep 2005 09:15:13
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Sunset Lowracers (was: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!)
|
"Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1126238005.381542.133280@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan, who apparently does not own an Earth Cycles Sunset
> Lowracer [TM], wrote:
>> "Sunset Fanatic" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1126221669.425919.163870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > ...
>> > On topic content: The proper name of the bike is "Earth Cycles Sunset
>> > Lowracer [TM]"; therefore "sunset" should be capitalized to "Sunset" in
>> > this context.
>>
>> The rest of the world is not enamored of the Sunset like you are.
>> Therefore,
>> you have created confusion where none existed before.
>
> The rest of world needs to get with the program then!
>
> Q: What is better than an Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]?
> A: Two Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracers [TM]!
>
> Best of all, I can post as much as I want to a.r.b.r. about my Sunsets,
> AND IT WILL ALL BE ON-TOPIC! :)
Nevertheless, you have chosen a very peculiar user name. Earth Cycles was a
very small manufacturer that hardly knew what they were doing half the time.
Most members of this group will not know what you are talking about when you
mention the Sunset and Earth Cycles.
Earth Cycles was a very prickly manufacturer located near St. Paul and was
not liked by many in this state. I find your championing of this bike
manufacturer and his Sunset very strange.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 08 Sep 2005 16:21:09
From: Sunset Fanatic
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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Edward Dolan wrote:
> ...
> My dreams all seem to be nightes. I had one the other night about Tom
> Sherman returning to this newsgroup to plague me once again, and lo and
> behold, he is back. Same old, same old (with footnotes and all), but now he
> is calling himself something to do with a sunset. He is now apparently
> living in a place called the Fox Valley, a distant suburb of Chicago....
On topic content: The proper name of the bike is "Earth Cycles Sunset
Lowracer [TM]"; therefore "sunset" should be capitalized to "Sunset" in
this context.
Off topic content: The municipality I am residing in was established
well before the area between it and the City of Chicago was developed
for residential and commercial purposes. Therefore, it is not a suburb
in the pejorative sense of the term, but a long established independent
city that has been encroached upon by urban sprawl.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
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Date: 08 Sep 2005 20:05:14
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
|
"Sunset Fanatic" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1126221669.425919.163870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> ...
>> My dreams all seem to be nightes. I had one the other night about Tom
>> Sherman returning to this newsgroup to plague me once again, and lo and
>> behold, he is back. Same old, same old (with footnotes and all), but now
>> he
>> is calling himself something to do with a sunset. He is now apparently
>> living in a place called the Fox Valley, a distant suburb of Chicago....
>
> On topic content: The proper name of the bike is "Earth Cycles Sunset
> Lowracer [TM]"; therefore "sunset" should be capitalized to "Sunset" in
> this context.
The rest of the world is not enamored of the Sunset like you are. Therefore,
you have created confusion where none existed before.
> Off topic content: The municipality I am residing in was established
> well before the area between it and the City of Chicago was developed
> for residential and commercial purposes. Therefore, it is not a suburb
> in the pejorative sense of the term, but a long established independent
> city that has been encroached upon by urban sprawl.
Well, Hells Bells, is that not the case everywhere. Let's face it. You are
no more living in an independent community than you were when you were
living on the outskirts of the Quad Cities. You are doomed to live your life
in suburbia because that is where all the growth in the country is.
I even consider the Quad Cities to be essentially tied into Chicago as far
as the economics are concerned. If you would like to live in an independent
community, you would have to relocate to the boondocks and make the big
sacrifice in your income. To get away from suburbia you would have to live
in a small town far removed from any metro. Even medium size cities have
suburbs these days.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 07 Sep 2005 16:41:36
From: ROTB
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
|
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "ROTB" <rotb1@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1126051258.458554.311900@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> I have stated repeatedly to this group that the ONLY purpose of sex is to
> >> make babies and if you are engaged in sex for any other purpose than
> >> that,
> >> then you are aberrant and immoral. You are hardly even a human being in
> >> my
> >> book if you are using sex as a recreation, whether hetero or homo.
> >
> > Does that include solo?
> >
> > --ROTB
>
> Having a problem with the word ONLY?
You musta had a lot of "nocturnal emissions" over your sixty-some
years! Those gonads need some sort of release.
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Date: 08 Sep 2005 04:53:08
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"ROTB" <rotb1@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1126136495.996902.186230@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "ROTB" <rotb1@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1126051258.458554.311900@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > Edward Dolan wrote:
>> >> I have stated repeatedly to this group that the ONLY purpose of sex is
>> >> to
>> >> make babies and if you are engaged in sex for any other purpose than
>> >> that,
>> >> then you are aberrant and immoral. You are hardly even a human being
>> >> in
>> >> my
>> >> book if you are using sex as a recreation, whether hetero or homo.
>> >
>> > Does that include solo?
>> >
>> > --ROTB
>>
>> Having a problem with the word ONLY?
>
> You musta had a lot of "nocturnal emissions" over your sixty-some
> years! Those gonads need some sort of release.
The above tells us a lot about you but nothing about me.
I would not mind having some sexual dreams, but it has never occurred. I
attribute this to my Great Saintliness. Have I ever mentioned to you that I
consider myself a Greater Saint than Saint Augustine because he was a Great
Sinner before he became a Great Saint. I was never a Great Sinner, therefore
I am a Greater Saint than him. I think I may have been born without original
sin and that I may ascend into Heaven without having to go though the bother
of dying, kind of like Our Blessed Virgin y.
My dreams all seem to be nightes. I had one the other night about Tom
Sherman returning to this newsgroup to plague me once again, and lo and
behold, he is back. Same old, same old (with footnotes and all), but now he
is calling himself something to do with a sunset. He is now apparently
living in a place called the Fox Valley, a distant suburb of Chicago.
However, I will always think of him as being from the Quad Cities (Illinois
Side).
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 06 Sep 2005 17:00:58
From: ROTB
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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Edward Dolan wrote:
> I have stated repeatedly to this group that the ONLY purpose of sex is to
> make babies and if you are engaged in sex for any other purpose than that,
> then you are aberrant and immoral. You are hardly even a human being in my
> book if you are using sex as a recreation, whether hetero or homo.
Does that include solo?
--ROTB
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Date: 06 Sep 2005 22:10:52
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
|
"ROTB" <rotb1@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1126051258.458554.311900@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> I have stated repeatedly to this group that the ONLY purpose of sex is to
>> make babies and if you are engaged in sex for any other purpose than
>> that,
>> then you are aberrant and immoral. You are hardly even a human being in
>> my
>> book if you are using sex as a recreation, whether hetero or homo.
>
> Does that include solo?
>
> --ROTB
Having a problem with the word ONLY?
>> I have stated repeatedly to this group that the ONLY purpose of sex is to
>> make babies and if you are engaged in sex for any other purpose than
>> that,
>> then you are aberrant and immoral. You are hardly even a human being in
>> my
>> book if you are using sex as a recreation, whether hetero or homo.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 23:02:23
From: LoGo USA
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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Hey gang -
Another godless goober gaffe?:
>In fact, I am a thorough going atheist... It is a shame
>so many here on ARBR are constantly tripping over words.
When ARBR's TROLL typed "thorough going"
(With logorrhea freely flowing),
Did he instead mean "thoroughgoing"?
I guess that there's no way of knowing...
My guess is he was merely showing
Us once again - despite his crowing -
His lack of language skills, bestowing
Miswordings he should be forgoing
Upon this group; he isn't snowing
The readers here as he keeps throwing
Out clinkers, like some farmer sowing
The seeds for weeds that just need hoeing.
If he in fact meant "thorough going",
That 'thorough' part is just him blowing
His old TROLL bleat, his self-praise glowing.
His next word trumps the one foregoing;
It's much, much better, mostly owing
To the hope - that might be growing
Now that his posting pace is slowing -
The TROLL might someday get through 'GOING'!
Regards,
Wayne
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Date: 06 Sep 2005 03:02:47
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
|
"LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote in message
news:1125986543.955605.5750@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hey gang -
>
> Another godless goober gaffe?:
>
>>In fact, I am a thorough going atheist... It is a shame
>>so many here on ARBR are constantly tripping over words.
>
> When ARBR's TROLL typed "thorough going"
> (With logorrhea freely flowing),
> Did he instead mean "thoroughgoing"?
> I guess that there's no way of knowing...
I do not like words run together and I do not like hyphenated words either.
It is a pain in the ass to be constantly looking up details like that. Using
separate words is always a superior way of writing whether technically
correct or not.
Thoroughgoing is way too long and looks ridiculous in English. Only the
idiotic Germans run words together helter-skelter.
> My guess is he was merely showing
> Us once again - despite his crowing -
> His lack of language skills, bestowing
> Miswordings he should be forgoing
> Upon this group; he isn't snowing
> The readers here as he keeps throwing
> Out clinkers, like some farmer sowing
> The seeds for weeds that just need hoeing.
>
> If he in fact meant "thorough going",
> That 'thorough' part is just him blowing
> His old TROLL bleat, his self-praise glowing.
> His next word trumps the one foregoing;
> It's much, much better, mostly owing
> To the hope - that might be growing
> Now that his posting pace is slowing -
> The TROLL might someday get through 'GOING'!
>
> Regards,
> Wayne
A regular tour de force - all those owing sounds!
But this group will miss me when I am finally GONE!
Regards,
Ed Dolan - Minnesota
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Date: 08 Sep 2005 13:12:30
From:
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 03:02:47 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>But this group will miss me when I am finally GONE!
In your dreams only. I think most will celebrate the fresh air that
will return once you are not here to pollute it.
jim
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Date: 02 Sep 2005 08:55:31
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message
news:11hga3nn2t8ard3@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:jbednTOQE4sZforeRVn-ug@prairiewave.com...
>
>> I will stay tuned until hell freezes over.
>
> The truth at last. Well done Ed.
But only in connection with a particular thread that is all about me.
>> No, I am free of sin. I was born like Our Blessed Virgin y. I was
>> immaculately conceived and came into this world free of original sin.
>> Can't you tell?
>
> Well that my be so but you have sinned a lot since then. You love to
> compare yourself to "Our Blessed Virgin y" but it would seem that the
> teachings of her son have no meaning for you. You clearly have abandoned
> them and while you lay claim to moral superiority, that claim itself is
> yet another sin.
GREAT Saints like myself are not mere do-gooders. No, we are all about
condemning others and consigning them to Hell where they belong. The idea
that saints are meek and humble disgusts me. Why should I be meek and humble
when all the rest of you are such outrageous sinners. I say to Hell with you
and may the Devil take you! Now you know what a Great Saint is!
GREAT Saints like myself are all about passing judgment on sinners. If I
don't do it, who will?
>>> "Saint", however, is not yours to use as you see fit.
>>
>> Yes, it is!
>
> No it isn't! Really! I think if you were to survey those who actually
> believe in Saints they would agree that with the exception of the football
> team (really bad joke considering the circumstances), sainthood is
> determined by people who have not chosen you.
>
> You can disregard this and say that you are using the word to mean what
> you want it to mean and not what it really does mean. You would then be
> leaving the world of concentual reality behind you. The common term for
> people who do that is crazy.
I define words to suit me, not others. But I always elaborate and explain
what I mean so that others can take it or leave it. You do not like my use
of the word saint, but I have told you what I mean by it. What could be
fairer than that?
The word saint represents a superior platform from which to judge others. I
am assuming a moral position which has been hallowed by the ages. Anyone who
says "if it moves fuck it" is automatically judged and condemned by words
out of his own mouth. I always assume a position of high virtue. Those who
assume any other position can try to defend it, but they will have me to
contend with. We Great Saints are here to plague lowly sinners.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 03 Sep 2005 00:08:08
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On 2-Sep-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
> The word saint represents a superior platform from which to judge others.
> I
> am assuming a moral position which has been hallowed by the ages. Anyone
> who
> says "if it moves fuck it" is automatically judged and condemned by words
> out of his own mouth. I always assume a position of high virtue. Those who
>
> assume any other position can try to defend it, but they will have me to
> contend with. We Great Saints are here to plague lowly sinners.
If it moves, fock it!
--
Johnny ReBike
ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe
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Date: 02 Sep 2005 10:44:47
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:MMadnfBLX9VHxIXeRVn-qQ@prairiewave.com...
> But only in connection with a particular thread that is all about me.
You can qualify it all you want. Bottom line is you aren't going anywhere.
> GREAT Saints like myself are all about passing judgment on sinners. If I
> don't do it, who will?
There is no shortage of people doing this job Ed. But they are not saints
any more than you are.
> I define words to suit me, not others. But I always elaborate and explain
> what I mean so that others can take it or leave it. You do not like my use
> of the word saint, but I have told you what I mean by it. What could be
> fairer than that?
Using it the way most of us use it would be much fairer. I could say that
when I use the term "Fuck You", what I really mean is "Go with God and may
peace be upon you". Having said this, are you going to be comfortable with
my saying "Fuck You" over and over? No you won't because you realize that
"Fuck You" already has a meaning that is understood no matter what Jeff
Grippe says it means. The same is true of the word "Saint". It does not mean
what Ed Dolan says it means even if Ed Dolan has told us what he means when
he uses it. Just because you call yourself a saint doesn't mean you are one.
If you persist in calling yourself a saint it might mean that you are
seriously deluded. It might mean that you are witty and clever with words.
It might mean that you don't actually know what a saint is. But it will
never make you a saint.
> The word saint represents a superior platform from which to judge others.
> I am assuming a moral position which has been hallowed by the ages. Anyone
> who says "if it moves fuck it" is automatically judged and condemned by
> words out of his own mouth. I always assume a position of high virtue.
> Those who assume any other position can try to defend it, but they will
> have me to contend with. We Great Saints are here to plague lowly sinners.
Once again you are using words in a way that is inconsistent with the way
most of us use them. Most of us, for example, know a joke when we hear one
and don't pretend that it is a statement of policy. What the crazy person
considers virtuous, isn't. You are not the barometer of morals. You aren't
even close. Sorry to be so blunt but you are often rude, insulting, and
vulgar. These are not behaviors of the morally superior or virtuous.
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Date: 03 Sep 2005 05:39:45
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message
news:11hgpcv5tit88a8@news.supernews.com...
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:MMadnfBLX9VHxIXeRVn-qQ@prairiewave.com...
>
>> But only in connection with a particular thread that is all about me.
>
> You can qualify it all you want. Bottom line is you aren't going anywhere.
>
>> GREAT Saints like myself are all about passing judgment on sinners. If I
>> don't do it, who will?
>
> There is no shortage of people doing this job Ed. But they are not saints
> any more than you are.
>
>> I define words to suit me, not others. But I always elaborate and explain
>> what I mean so that others can take it or leave it. You do not like my
>> use of the word saint, but I have told you what I mean by it. What could
>> be fairer than that?
>
> Using it the way most of us use it would be much fairer. I could say that
> when I use the term "Fuck You", what I really mean is "Go with God and may
> peace be upon you". Having said this, are you going to be comfortable with
> my saying "Fuck You" over and over? No you won't because you realize that
> "Fuck You" already has a meaning that is understood no matter what Jeff
> Grippe says it means. The same is true of the word "Saint". It does not
> mean what Ed Dolan says it means even if Ed Dolan has told us what he
> means when he uses it. Just because you call yourself a saint doesn't mean
> you are one. If you persist in calling yourself a saint it might mean that
> you are seriously deluded. It might mean that you are witty and clever
> with words. It might mean that you don't actually know what a saint is.
> But it will never make you a saint.
There are narrow definitions of words and there are broad definitions of
words. If you have been reading what I have been writing at all well, you
would know by now that I go with the broad definitions of words. When I tell
you what I mean by a word, then that is what I mean and I shall continue to
use it anyway I please and everyone in the world will get my meaning except
purposely obtuse types like you. All words have associations. It is those
associations that I mean to point to when I use words broadly.
A saint as defined by the Roman Catholic Church is not what I mean at all.
It is absurd for anyone to have ever thought that. What you object to is my
holier than thou attitude and that is precisely what I mean to convey to
this freaking newsgroup, most especially to you.
>> The word saint represents a superior platform from which to judge others.
>> I am assuming a moral position which has been hallowed by the ages.
>> Anyone who says "if it moves fuck it" is automatically judged and
>> condemned by words out of his own mouth. I always assume a position of
>> high virtue. Those who assume any other position can try to defend it,
>> but they will have me to contend with. We Great Saints are here to plague
>> lowly sinners.
>
> Once again you are using words in a way that is inconsistent with the way
> most of us use them. Most of us, for example, know a joke when we hear one
> and don't pretend that it is a statement of policy. What the crazy person
> considers virtuous, isn't. You are not the barometer of morals. You aren't
> even close. Sorry to be so blunt but you are often rude, insulting, and
> vulgar. These are not behaviors of the morally superior or virtuous.
I will match my morality against yours any day of the week and twice on
Sunday. I think the whole world knows that New York secular st ass Jews
are not known for their morality. Woody Allen anyone?
Bottom line, I am holier than thou. As Johnny ReBike (Ed Gin) would say -
deal with it!
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 03 Sep 2005 10:53:43
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:cZSdnY5Km8vk4ITeRVn-uA@prairiewave.com...
> There are narrow definitions of words and there are broad definitions of
> words.
Um, not exactly. There are correct definitions and there are incorrect ones.
The ones that Ed Dolan may or may not be correct but a dictionary could
resolve the issue.
> A saint as defined by the Roman Catholic Church is not what I mean at all.
But it is the Roman Catholic Church that defines the word. You also use
other "Roman Catholic" like language such as "Order of the Perpetual
Sorrows" in your signature line. Why should we think that you don't have
some version of the Roman Catholic (correct) definition? Because you tell us
so? That just makes you ignorant which is really ok with me.
> What you object to is my holier than thou attitude
I used to object to it. I now find it entertaining. I guess there's no
accounting for taste.
> I will match my morality against yours any day of the week and twice on
> Sunday.
I don't play "matching morality". I let my actions speak for themselves. I
certainly don't let your characterization of me speak for me. Anyway I can't
play with you on Sunday even once because I have a prior engagement teaching
Sunday School (I kid you not!)
> Bottom line, I am holier than thou.
Ok, you are holier than me. Put your "Holier than Jeff Grippe" Award right
up there on your trophy next to your "Most Prolific Poster" Award.
Jeff
PS
I'm glad I don't get the last word. I look forward to your next installment.
Keep that Crusade going Ed.
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Date: 09 Sep 2005 17:48:45
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: Sunset Lowracers (was: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!)
|
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1126238005.381542.133280@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Edward Dolan, who apparently does not own an Earth Cycles Sunset
> > Lowracer [TM], wrote:
> >> "Sunset Fanatic" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1126221669.425919.163870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >> > ...
> >> > On topic content: The proper name of the bike is "Earth Cycles Sunset
> >> > Lowracer [TM]"; therefore "sunset" should be capitalized to "Sunset" in
> >> > this context.
> >>
> >> The rest of the world is not enamored of the Sunset like you are.
> >> Therefore,
> >> you have created confusion where none existed before.
> >
> > The rest of world needs to get with the program then!
> >
> > Q: What is better than an Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM]?
> > A: Two Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracers [TM]!
> >
> > Best of all, I can post as much as I want to a.r.b.r. about my Sunsets,
> > AND IT WILL ALL BE ON-TOPIC! :)
>
> Nevertheless, you have chosen a very peculiar user name. Earth Cycles was a
> very small manufacturer that hardly knew what they were doing half the time.
> Most members of this group will not know what you are talking about when you
> mention the Sunset and Earth Cycles.
I will have to educate those ignorant of the finer qualities of the
Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM], then.
> Earth Cycles was a very prickly manufacturer located near St. Paul and was
> not liked by many in this state. I find your championing of this bike
> manufacturer and his Sunset very strange.
I have only met Shean Bjoralt once, but I gained a rather different
impression that what Ed Dolan reputes. Other's have stated both
privately and public ally that they were saddened by the business
failure of Earth Cycles.
Once the bicycle leaves than manufacturer, its qualities are
independent of the manufacturer. Should we destroy all copies of
Wagner's musical scores because of his bigotry and numerous failings as
a person? Would that action benefit the human race in any way - or can
we appreciate something for its intrinsic value independent of its
creator?
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
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Date: 09 Sep 2005 21:59:28
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Sunset Lowracers (was: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!)
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"Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1126313325.896378.224530@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> Nevertheless, you have chosen a very peculiar user name. Earth Cycles was
>> a
>> very small manufacturer that hardly knew what they were doing half the
>> time.
>> Most members of this group will not know what you are talking about when
>> you
>> mention the Sunset and Earth Cycles.
>
> I will have to educate those ignorant of the finer qualities of the
> Earth Cycles Sunset Lowracer [TM], then.
>
>> Earth Cycles was a very prickly manufacturer located near St. Paul and
>> was
>> not liked by many in this state. I find your championing of this bike
>> manufacturer and his Sunset very strange.
>
> I have only met Shean Bjoralt once, but I gained a rather different
> impression that what Ed Dolan reputes. Other's have stated both
> privately and public ally that they were saddened by the business
> failure of Earth Cycles.
That man had no business sense at all. He over priced his bikes and would
not make himself available to his customers. But mostly, I do not like small
manufacturers no matter how precious they think themselves to be. RANS was
the best thing that ever happened to the recumbent world.
> Once the bicycle leaves than manufacturer, its qualities are
> independent of the manufacturer. Should we destroy all copies of
> Wagner's musical scores because of his bigotry and numerous failings as
> a person? Would that action benefit the human race in any way - or can
> we appreciate something for its intrinsic value independent of its
> creator?
I would never condemn Wagner as a composer, but that would not prevent me
from condemning him as a man. I always remember what the great conductor
Toscanini said about Richard Strauss who stayed in Germany and prospered in
the Third Reich. He said I take my hat off to the composer, but I put my hat
back on my head for the man. Like Toscanini, I can separate the art from the
man.
I miss Toscanini. I grew up listening to all his performances of the
standard symphonic repertoire and there is no one today who does it like he
did. His tempos were always just right and his orchestral balance and
dynamics were also just right. Those who think Bernstein was a great
conductor do not know what they are talking about. God, do I ever hate
conductors who take liberties with tempos.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 04 Sep 2005 00:33:37
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message
news:11hje41k5f54ta6@news.supernews.com...
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:cZSdnY5Km8vk4ITeRVn-uA@prairiewave.com...
>
>> There are narrow definitions of words and there are broad definitions of
>> words.
>
> Um, not exactly. There are correct definitions and there are incorrect
> ones. The ones that Ed Dolan may or may not be correct but a dictionary
> could resolve the issue.
Context matters more than any dictionary defintion. Ever hear of literature?
>> A saint as defined by the Roman Catholic Church is not what I mean at
>> all.
>
> But it is the Roman Catholic Church that defines the word. You also use
> other "Roman Catholic" like language such as "Order of the Perpetual
> Sorrows" in your signature line. Why should we think that you don't have
> some version of the Roman Catholic (correct) definition? Because you tell
> us so? That just makes you ignorant which is really ok with me.
>> There are narrow definitions of words and there are broad definitions of
>> words.
>> What you object to is my holier than thou attitude
>
> I used to object to it. I now find it entertaining. I guess there's no
> accounting for taste.
That is my whole purpose in being here - to entertain and amuse. What is
your purpose in being here?
>> I will match my morality against yours any day of the week and twice on
>> Sunday.
>
> I don't play "matching morality". I let my actions speak for themselves. I
> certainly don't let your characterization of me speak for me. Anyway I
> can't play with you on Sunday even once because I have a prior engagement
> teaching Sunday School (I kid you not!)
>
>> Bottom line, I am holier than thou.
>
> Ok, you are holier than me. Put your "Holier than Jeff Grippe" Award right
> up there on your trophy next to your "Most Prolific Poster" Award.
I cannot take anyone seriously on the issue of morality who believes it is
just fine and dandy to commit abortion.
> Jeff
>
> PS
>
> I'm glad I don't get the last word. I look forward to your next
> installment. Keep that Crusade going Ed.
I make sure I not only get the last world, but also the best word.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 04 Sep 2005 10:02:49
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:au6dnZ2dnZ3bH3uLnZ2dnaYah96dnZ2dRVn-zZ2dnZ0@prairiewave.com...
> That is my whole purpose in being here - to entertain and amuse. What is
> your purpose in being here?
Who says I need a purpose?
> I cannot take anyone seriously on the issue of morality who believes it is
> just fine and dandy to commit abortion.
That is because your moral compass is poorly calibrated. You can't stop
abortion. All you can do is decide if it is available only to the wealthy or
if it is available to people of modest means as well.
Your ethics are based on a level of human behavior that human beings are not
capable of. That being the case you must balance social issues with the
absolute moral stand.
You have no claim to your "holier than thou" attitude. You support killing
in the contexts where it fits your vision of what should be. You have called
for the destruction of Islamic people, the dropping of an atomic weapon on
France so that they would "wake up" (in your words). You have shown strong
support for the current war. Guess what Ed, innocent Americans have died in
that war by the thousands.
You may reply with some arguement about numbers but if you really believe
that killing is wrong the one is too many and your arguement about the
comparitive number of deaths is a social one and not a moral one.
> I make sure I not only get the last world, but also the best word.
That is for others to judge. You can put your "best word" trophy right up
there next to your "most prolific poster" and "holier than Jeff Grippe"
trophies. You should go out and get a trophy case. You are accumulating
quite a list of accolades. I'm proud of you Ed.
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Date: 09 Sep 2005 21:36:38
From: Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic
Subject: Re: Sunset Lowracers (was: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!)
|
Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Sunset Lowracer [TM] Fanatic" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1126313325.896378.224530@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > ...
> > I have only met Shean Bjoralt once, but I gained a rather different
> > impression that what Ed Dolan reputes. Other's have stated both
> > privately and public ally that they were saddened by the business
> > failure of Earth Cycles.
>
> That man had no business sense at all. He over priced his bikes and would
> not make himself available to his customers. But mostly, I do not like small
> manufacturers no matter how precious they think themselves to be....
I wonder if Ed Dolan has ever closely examined a Sunset or Dragonflyer?
Both are fairly "complex" in terms of number of operations to make the
frames, including numerous braze-ons, mandrel bent tubing, and inserts
for the sliding boom (and frame on the Sunset). They included custom
welded racks and drive train parts. Some of the parts used were not
exactly inexpensive [1]. The seats probably took more time than the
frame to fabricate. I am not surprised that Earth Cycles did not make
much, if any profit at the prices they charged. One could argue that
the designs should have been simpler, but then they would lose much,
like the wide range gearing and excellent shifting of the Sunset or the
"pogo" free suspension of the Dragonflyer, both due to the use of the
mid-drive gearing step-up jackshaft.
> RANS was the best thing that ever happened to the recumbent world....
If you want a well designed and well made recumbent bicycle that is an
excellent value for the money, you will not go wrong with anything that
RANS sells. However, they are not special in the way the Sunset and
Dragonflyer are. The Sunset is unique in many ways, and there was
neither a comparable predecessor nor has there been a successor.
I strongly recommend owning more than one Sunset, so one always has one
in reserve. ;)
[1] The two custom Phil Wood hubs on the Dragonflyer or the front
custom Phil Wood and standard rear Phil Wood hub on a Sunset were
likely more than $500 wholesale.
--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 01:45:31
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Jeff Grippe" <pinjukeguy@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:11hlvka79d2n31d@news.supernews.com...
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:au6dnZ2dnZ3bH3uLnZ2dnaYah96dnZ2dRVn-zZ2dnZ0@prairiewave.com...
>
>> That is my whole purpose in being here - to entertain and amuse. What is
>> your purpose in being here?
>
> Who says I need a purpose?
I would have thought your purpose in being here was to receive intellectual
stimulation from me. We all know how dull and boring New York City can be.
>> I cannot take anyone seriously on the issue of morality who believes it
>> is just fine and dandy to commit abortion.
>
> That is because your moral compass is poorly calibrated. You can't stop
> abortion. All you can do is decide if it is available only to the wealthy
> or if it is available to people of modest means as well.
>
> Your ethics are based on a level of human behavior that human beings are
> not capable of. That being the case you must balance social issues with
> the absolute moral stand.
There are certain human behaviors which ought to be hidden away in a closet.
Abortion is one of them. Homosexuality is another one. The list just goes
one and on. But moronic liberals like you want to bring these reprehensible
human behaviors out in the open and justify them on the basis of class
discrimination or some other superfluous issue.
Poor people have always been trash people and we should never do anything to
encourage their trash behavior. Only the middle class is moral. The upper
classes also behave like swine. I give you the Kennedy's as an example of
what I am talking about.
Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue. But when you do not set
virtue up as the standard you have abandoned all goodness. The lowest common
denominator will then prevail which is pretty much what has happened in
America today.
> You have no claim to your "holier than thou" attitude. You support killing
> in the contexts where it fits your vision of what should be. You have
> called for the destruction of Islamic people, the dropping of an atomic
> weapon on France so that they would "wake up" (in your words). You have
> shown strong support for the current war. Guess what Ed, innocent
> Americans have died in that war by the thousands.
The Iraq War is one of the most moral wars ever entered into by the US.
Vietnam was another moral war. It is wars such as these that make me proud
to be an American.
> You may reply with some arguement about numbers but if you really believe
> that killing is wrong the one is too many and your arguement about the
> comparitive number of deaths is a social one and not a moral one.
People die everyday for totally senseless reasons. I believe there may be
more Americans dying on the streets of Washington DC from criminal activity
then there are Americans dying in Iraq. Anyone who is dying in the cause of
war on behalf of the US is a hero and a saint. Wars are how you rid the
world of intractable evil - provided you win them of course.
>> I make sure I not only get the last word, but also the best word.
>
> That is for others to judge. You can put your "best word" trophy right up
> there next to your "most prolific poster" and "holier than Jeff Grippe"
> trophies. You should go out and get a trophy case. You are accumulating
> quite a list of accolades. I'm proud of you Ed.
Your liberalism condemns you. I encourage you to have a closer look at
conservatism and how it has functioned down through history. There is
something to be said even for the divine right of kings.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 04:19:05
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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I quoted the whole thing because that seems to be important to you.
As I said, your moral compass is poorly calibrated. You don't actually have
a system of principles to guide you in ethical behavior.
You say things like "There are certain human behaviors which ought to be
hidden away..." but we know nothing of what priciples determine which
behaviors you are talking about. You give examples and tell us that the list
is long but there is no clear way to understand what makes the list and what
doesn't. Don't even bother with terms like liberal and conservative. They
are far to broad in scope to actually be called "a system of principles".
You ignore class issues and simply rely on "this is how things have always
been so it is perfectly ok if they remain that way". That may in fact be a
principle but I would hardly call it ethical.
You need to spend some time thinking about what your principles are and then
work from there and take stands on issues based on your principles. You
should also recognize the situations in which there might be some ambiguity
although I realize this is very difficult for you.
I have no problem with the person who takes an anti-choice stand because
they have a principle which says that "human life is sacred" and that
abortion is the taking of human life. I don't happen to agree but I
completely understand the position. If that same person says that "human
life is scared" but then they support capital punishment, or they support
war, then I would say that they don't have a consistant set of moral values.
If it is possible to hold that human life is sacred but that the intentional
taking of human life is not always wrong, then you have no basis upon which
to take an anti-choice stand.
Jeff
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff Grippe" <pinjukeguy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:11hlvka79d2n31d@news.supernews.com...
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>> news:au6dnZ2dnZ3bH3uLnZ2dnaYah96dnZ2dRVn-zZ2dnZ0@prairiewave.com...
>>
>>> That is my whole purpose in being here - to entertain and amuse. What is
>>> your purpose in being here?
>>
>> Who says I need a purpose?
>
> I would have thought your purpose in being here was to receive
> intellectual stimulation from me. We all know how dull and boring New York
> City can be.
>
>>> I cannot take anyone seriously on the issue of morality who believes it
>>> is just fine and dandy to commit abortion.
>>
>> That is because your moral compass is poorly calibrated. You can't stop
>> abortion. All you can do is decide if it is available only to the wealthy
>> or if it is available to people of modest means as well.
>>
>> Your ethics are based on a level of human behavior that human beings are
>> not capable of. That being the case you must balance social issues with
>> the absolute moral stand.
>
> There are certain human behaviors which ought to be hidden away in a
> closet. Abortion is one of them. Homosexuality is another one. The list
> just goes one and on. But moronic liberals like you want to bring these
> reprehensible human behaviors out in the open and justify them on the
> basis of class discrimination or some other superfluous issue.
>
> Poor people have always been trash people and we should never do anything
> to encourage their trash behavior. Only the middle class is moral. The
> upper classes also behave like swine. I give you the Kennedy's as an
> example of what I am talking about.
>
> Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue. But when you do not set
> virtue up as the standard you have abandoned all goodness. The lowest
> common denominator will then prevail which is pretty much what has
> happened in America today.
>
>> You have no claim to your "holier than thou" attitude. You support
>> killing in the contexts where it fits your vision of what should be. You
>> have called for the destruction of Islamic people, the dropping of an
>> atomic weapon on France so that they would "wake up" (in your words). You
>> have shown strong support for the current war. Guess what Ed, innocent
>> Americans have died in that war by the thousands.
>
> The Iraq War is one of the most moral wars ever entered into by the US.
> Vietnam was another moral war. It is wars such as these that make me proud
> to be an American.
>
>> You may reply with some arguement about numbers but if you really believe
>> that killing is wrong the one is too many and your arguement about the
>> comparitive number of deaths is a social one and not a moral one.
>
> People die everyday for totally senseless reasons. I believe there may be
> more Americans dying on the streets of Washington DC from criminal
> activity then there are Americans dying in Iraq. Anyone who is dying in
> the cause of war on behalf of the US is a hero and a saint. Wars are how
> you rid the world of intractable evil - provided you win them of course.
>
>>> I make sure I not only get the last word, but also the best word.
>>
>> That is for others to judge. You can put your "best word" trophy right up
>> there next to your "most prolific poster" and "holier than Jeff Grippe"
>> trophies. You should go out and get a trophy case. You are accumulating
>> quite a list of accolades. I'm proud of you Ed.
>
> Your liberalism condemns you. I encourage you to have a closer look at
> conservatism and how it has functioned down through history. There is
> something to be said even for the divine right of kings.
>
> --
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 13:31:14
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On 5-Sep-2005, "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote:
> I have no problem with the person who takes an anti-choice stand because
> they have a principle which says that "human life is sacred" and that
> abortion is the taking of human life. I don't happen to agree but I
> completely understand the position. If that same person says that "human
> life is scared"
^^^^^^^
Johnny ReBike is scared of going fast, that is why he rides the ReBike -
Slowest Bike in the Known Universe.
Johnny ReBike's heroes Ed "Lowracer" Gin, Johnny NoCom and Spidermonkey are
very brave and ride the NoCom - Fastest Stock Bike in the Known Universe.
--
Johnny ReBike
ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 04:18:58
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7 > wrote in message
news:11hnvrr3r78jve4@news.supernews.com...
>I quoted the whole thing because that seems to be important to you.
Top posting is all wrong. Quoting the whole thing is not important to me,
but posting the correct way is. That means bottom posting. Follow my example
if you would be correct.
> As I said, your moral compass is poorly calibrated. You don't actually
> have a system of principles to guide you in ethical behavior.
>
> You say things like "There are certain human behaviors which ought to be
> hidden away..." but we know nothing of what priciples determine which
> behaviors you are talking about. You give examples and tell us that the
> list is long but there is no clear way to understand what makes the list
> and what doesn't. Don't even bother with terms like liberal and
> conservative. They are far to broad in scope to actually be called "a
> system of principles".
How about the taking of innocent human life which is what abortion does. How
about aberrant sexual behavior which is what promiscuity and homosexuality
is all about. But who needs a list except someone who has never received any
instruction in the elements of morality. All the traditional religions
(including Judaism) will give you very strong clues about what principals to
live by.
> You ignore class issues and simply rely on "this is how things have always
> been so it is perfectly ok if they remain that way". That may in fact be a
> principle but I would hardly call it ethical.
>
> You need to spend some time thinking about what your principles are and
> then work from there and take stands on issues based on your principles.
> You should also recognize the situations in which there might be some
> ambiguity although I realize this is very difficult for you.
Traditional morality (mostly based on religion) solved all these problems
thousands of years ago. It is only those who want to do what they want to do
who ignore this traditional morality much to the detriment of the entire
society. If you were more conservative and less liberal, you would not so
easily fall into evil ways of thinking and doing.
> I have no problem with the person who takes an anti-choice stand because
> they have a principle which says that "human life is sacred" and that
> abortion is the taking of human life. I don't happen to agree but I
> completely understand the position. If that same person says that "human
> life is scared" but then they support capital punishment, or they support
> war, then I would say that they don't have a consistant set of moral
> values. If it is possible to hold that human life is sacred but that the
> intentional taking of human life is not always wrong, then you have no
> basis upon which to take an anti-choice stand.
You have got it all backwards, but that is what liberals do all the time. It
is totally consistent to be against the taking of innocent life and to be
for the taking of guilty life. Normally, the guilty life has taken innocent
life. It is precisely because life is regarded as so precious (sacred) that
the guilty must be punished with the ultimate penalty. You take someone
else's life, you forfeit your own life. Elementary, my dear Watson!
Do you not realize that excellent arguments can be made for killing and
murder. The way you think about abortion is not very far removed from the
way many others think about getting rid of those who they would like to be
rid of. Justifications are far easier than most think. This is where
traditional religion comes in and saves us from our own follies. You become
a thorough going secularist at your peril. Morality is all about having deep
roots in history.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 12:11:43
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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Sorry about the top posting. I find it unpleasant to read messages where
there is a lot of old text sprinkled with new text in the middle.
So the criteria is not just "taking of life" but "taking of innocent life".
Lets explore:
1. There have been innocent people executed in error.
2. There are innocent people killed during wars.
If you are against the taking of innocent life then you must be against war
completely and against capital punishment until there is a way to make sure
that innocent people are never accidentally executed. Since that is not
possible, you must then be against capital punishment as well.
Regarding sexual behavior, what is the ethical principle which you are
appealing to in your views? What is it that makes certain practices
"unethical"? I have no problem with someone having this view if they have
thought it out and can express it as the result of an ethical principle. For
religious people the rule would be "I believe that it is commanded by God".
While I don't agree I can certainly see that for someone who believes, it is
a very important rule. You claim to not believe in God or God's rules. So,
what is the principle that you are applying to arrive at your views on
sexuality?
Morality is not about having "deep roots in history". It is (from
dictionary.com)
1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct.
2. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct: religious morality;
Christian morality.
3. Virtuous conduct.
4. A rule or lesson in moral conduct.
Some of the key words here are:
1. "standards of right or good conduct": I read this as principles. Rules
are derived from principles.
2. "system of ideas of right and wrong conduct": Again this refers to
principles. It doesn't say "ideas of right and wrong conduct" but rather
"SYSTEM of ideas of right and wrong conduct". That extra word makes a big
difference.
Rather than read me your list of rules you should spend some time thinking
about the principles from which those rules generate. I agree that it is
more difficult to find a moral compass without religion but it can be done.
It is done with principles.
Some (but not all) of mine:
Affirm the worth, dignity, and uniqueness of every human being.
Reason, compassion, and responsibility are central.
Deed is more important than creed
Human life is most meaningful when lived ethically.
Despite your assertions to the contrary Ed, I believe that your values are
relatively unexamined (by you). You have rules but you don't understand the
principles from which those rules come. This is one of the reasons that we
are often talking about two different things. I talk about principles and
you talk about rules. They are different.
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:4LidnRGp64oekIHeRVn-tQ@prairiewave.com...
>
> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7> wrote in message
> news:11hnvrr3r78jve4@news.supernews.com...
>>I quoted the whole thing because that seems to be important to you.
>
> Top posting is all wrong. Quoting the whole thing is not important to me,
> but posting the correct way is. That means bottom posting. Follow my
> example if you would be correct.
>
>> As I said, your moral compass is poorly calibrated. You don't actually
>> have a system of principles to guide you in ethical behavior.
>>
>> You say things like "There are certain human behaviors which ought to be
>> hidden away..." but we know nothing of what priciples determine which
>> behaviors you are talking about. You give examples and tell us that the
>> list is long but there is no clear way to understand what makes the list
>> and what doesn't. Don't even bother with terms like liberal and
>> conservative. They are far to broad in scope to actually be called "a
>> system of principles".
>
> How about the taking of innocent human life which is what abortion does.
> How about aberrant sexual behavior which is what promiscuity and
> homosexuality is all about. But who needs a list except someone who has
> never received any instruction in the elements of morality. All the
> traditional religions (including Judaism) will give you very strong clues
> about what principals to live by.
>
>> You ignore class issues and simply rely on "this is how things have
>> always been so it is perfectly ok if they remain that way". That may in
>> fact be a principle but I would hardly call it ethical.
>>
>> You need to spend some time thinking about what your principles are and
>> then work from there and take stands on issues based on your principles.
>> You should also recognize the situations in which there might be some
>> ambiguity although I realize this is very difficult for you.
>
> Traditional morality (mostly based on religion) solved all these problems
> thousands of years ago. It is only those who want to do what they want to
> do who ignore this traditional morality much to the detriment of the
> entire society. If you were more conservative and less liberal, you would
> not so easily fall into evil ways of thinking and doing.
>
>> I have no problem with the person who takes an anti-choice stand because
>> they have a principle which says that "human life is sacred" and that
>> abortion is the taking of human life. I don't happen to agree but I
>> completely understand the position. If that same person says that "human
>> life is scared" but then they support capital punishment, or they support
>> war, then I would say that they don't have a consistant set of moral
>> values. If it is possible to hold that human life is sacred but that the
>> intentional taking of human life is not always wrong, then you have no
>> basis upon which to take an anti-choice stand.
>
> You have got it all backwards, but that is what liberals do all the time.
> It is totally consistent to be against the taking of innocent life and to
> be for the taking of guilty life. Normally, the guilty life has taken
> innocent life. It is precisely because life is regarded as so precious
> (sacred) that the guilty must be punished with the ultimate penalty. You
> take someone else's life, you forfeit your own life. Elementary, my dear
> Watson!
>
> Do you not realize that excellent arguments can be made for killing and
> murder. The way you think about abortion is not very far removed from the
> way many others think about getting rid of those who they would like to be
> rid of. Justifications are far easier than most think. This is where
> traditional religion comes in and saves us from our own follies. You
> become a thorough going secularist at your peril. Morality is all about
> having deep roots in history.
>
> --
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
>
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Date: 06 Sep 2005 02:42:09
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message
news:11horhrt53ami71@news.supernews.com...
> Sorry about the top posting. I find it unpleasant to read messages where
> there is a lot of old text sprinkled with new text in the middle.
[...]
I am sorry about your top posting too, Jeff. Your message requires me to do
more back tracking than I care to do. However, Robert Bass posts correctly
and you will find many of my answers to your message there.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 14:08:29
From: Robert L Bass
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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> So the criteria is not just "taking of life" but "taking
> of innocent life".
>
> Lets explore:
>
> 1. There have been innocent people executed in error.
> 2. There are innocent people killed during wars.
>
> If you are against the taking of innocent life then you
> must be against war completely...
1. Agreed, sort of. I oppose making war against any nation that
is not attacking or threatening me. That would include Iraq but
not Afghanistan. It would not have included Vietnam, Grenada or
most of the other places the US has invaded during my lifetime.
> ... and against capital punishment until there is a way
> to make sure that innocent people are never accidentally
> executed. Since that is not possible, you must then be
> against capital punishment as well...
2. This is a tough one for me. As a general rule I'm opposed to
capital punishment for three reasons:
a. I can't be 100% certain who is guilty since witnesses, cops
and prosecutors sometimes lie.
b. It is disproportionately used against the poor and
minorities.
c. Bush thinks it's great fun.
OTOH, there are a few people whose presence on the planet remains
a threat to everyone around them. Prisoners who kill again while
serving life sentences know there is nothing that can be done to
them.
> Regarding sexual behavior, what is the ethical principle
> which you are appealing to in your views?
If you are speaking to Ed, please be advised that he has no
interest in anyone's sexual behavior. His only purpose in
posting here is to troll.
As for me, I look at it this way. Anything one or more
consenting adults want to do between themselves in the privacy of
their own home or in the presence of other consenting adults is
their business. Anything involving minors or incapacitated
persons should be punishable by surgery. :^)
> ... For religious people the rule would be "I believe that it
> is commanded by God".
I believe in God and I usually try to do what I think He would
want me to do. Absent an audible commission from Him, I don't
believe He wants me to tell you or anyone else what to do. I
figure if He is able to speak to me about what I should do He can
also tell you or Ed what to do. Whether you or Ed decide to obey
Him is your business.
Side note: As a Christian, I believe I'm supposed to tell others
about God. I DON'T believe that I'm supposed to tell others how
to live for God. That's His job.
Second side note: A few of the folks who infest a certain other
newsgroup seem to have a hard time reconciling my statement that
I'm a Christian with the fact that I'm also of Jewish heritage.
Posts like this may draw flames since one of the regulars of said
other forum likes to post here too. C'est la "Net. :^)
> Some of the key words here are:
> 1. "standards of right or good conduct": I read this as principles. Rules
> are derived from principles.
I disagree. Much of the time rules are derived from personal
advantage. Those in power often create rules to help them obtain
more power and/or wealth at the expense of those who have less
power. Rules, it seems, often have nothing to do with
principles.
> Rather than read me your list of rules you should spend
> some time thinking about the principles from which
> those rules generate. I agree that it is more difficult to
> find a moral compass without religion but it can be done.
> It is done with principles.
Many principles seem to emanate from religiosity. For example,
the principle of charity is often ingrained in religious thought.
Unfortunately, the *act* of charity isn't as often practiced as
it is spoken of by religious zealots.
> Despite your assertions to the contrary Ed, I believe that
> your values are relatively unexamined (by you)...
I suspect you're giving Ed more credence than he deserves or
wants. His entire purpose in posting here is to troll. I
seriously doubt he gives a rat's bunda about sexuality, morality
or anything else other than the attention he can get by posting
absurdities.
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
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Date: 06 Sep 2005 00:46:03
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Robert L Bass" <sales@bassburglaralarms.com > wrote in message
news:de0ph1tomku6vff60d6it56gfmhkkul0ui@4ax.com...
>> So the criteria is not just "taking of life" but "taking
>> of innocent life".
>>
>> Lets explore:
>>
>> 1. There have been innocent people executed in error.
>> 2. There are innocent people killed during wars.
>>
>> If you are against the taking of innocent life then you
>> must be against war completely...
>
> 1. Agreed, sort of. I oppose making war against any nation that
> is not attacking or threatening me. That would include Iraq but
> not Afghanistan. It would not have included Vietnam, Grenada or
> most of the other places the US has invaded during my lifetime.
All of the above wars were right and just. What we are going to see more and
more of in the future are preemptive wars due to the nature of weapons of
mass destruction. If wars were left up to the likes of Jeff and Robert the
US would soon find itself demoralized and defeated. The era of a Pearl
Harbor is over and done with forever.
>> ... and against capital punishment until there is a way
>> to make sure that innocent people are never accidentally
>> executed. Since that is not possible, you must then be
>> against capital punishment as well...
>
> 2. This is a tough one for me. As a general rule I'm opposed to
> capital punishment for three reasons:
>
> a. I can't be 100% certain who is guilty since witnesses, cops
> and prosecutors sometimes lie.
They do not lie nearly so much as the criminals and their defense lawyers. I
do not mind seeing an innocent man go to his death occasionally if it makes
society safer for the rest of us.
> b. It is disproportionately used against the poor and
> minorities.
It is disproportionately the poor and the minorities who are committing all
the murders.
> c. Bush thinks it's great fun.
Me too! I would like to throw the switch myself if it were allowed.
> OTOH, there are a few people whose presence on the planet remains
> a threat to everyone around them. Prisoners who kill again while
> serving life sentences know there is nothing that can be done to
> them.
>
>> Regarding sexual behavior, what is the ethical principle
>> which you are appealing to in your views?
>
> If you are speaking to Ed, please be advised that he has no
> interest in anyone's sexual behavior. His only purpose in
> posting here is to troll.
I have stated repeatedly to this group that the ONLY purpose of sex is to
make babies and if you are engaged in sex for any other purpose than that,
then you are aberrant and immoral. You are hardly even a human being in my
book if you are using sex as a recreation, whether hetero or homo. What is
so difficult to understand about this?
> As for me, I look at it this way. Anything one or more
> consenting adults want to do between themselves in the privacy of
> their own home or in the presence of other consenting adults is
> their business. Anything involving minors or incapacitated
> persons should be punishable by surgery. :^)
That consenting adults stuff is a bunch of rubbish. Once you believe crap
like that, then anything is possible.
>> ... For religious people the rule would be "I believe that it
>> is commanded by God".
>
> I believe in God and I usually try to do what I think He would
> want me to do. Absent an audible commission from Him, I don't
> believe He wants me to tell you or anyone else what to do. I
> figure if He is able to speak to me about what I should do He can
> also tell you or Ed what to do. Whether you or Ed decide to obey
> Him is your business.
What is right and good for one person is right and good for all persons.
Anyone who thinks he can create his own morality is a fool. Now you know why
we need religion. It is to protect us from fools who think they are st
enough to create their won morality.
[...]
>> Despite your assertions to the contrary Ed, I believe that
>> your values are relatively unexamined (by you)...
>
> I suspect you're giving Ed more credence than he deserves or
> wants. His entire purpose in posting here is to troll. I
> seriously doubt he gives a rat's bunda about sexuality, morality
> or anything else other than the attention he can get by posting
> absurdities.
I like to state things in an exaggerated way, but there is an underlying
substance which is anything but an absurdity. You have to know how to read
through the style to get to the substance. It is a shame so many here on
ARBR are constantly tripping over words. But I refuse to temper my style for
the sake of those who do not know how to read.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 20:10:53
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On 5-Sep-2005, Robert L Bass <sales@bassburglaralarms.com > wrote:
> Second side note: A few of the folks who infest a certain other
> newsgroup seem to have a hard time reconciling my statement that
> I'm a Christian with the fact that I'm also of Jewish heritage.
> Posts like this may draw flames since one of the regulars of said
> other forum likes to post here too. C'est la "Net. :^)
Johnny ReBike sez, Bass's security alarm buddies need to get carbon fiber
splitter plate bikes like Johnny NoCom [NoCon - Fastest Stock Bike in the
Known Universe], then they be happy.
--
Johnny ReBike
ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 07:40:15
From: Bob the Cow
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:4LidnRGp64oekIHeRVn-tQ@prairiewave.com...
>
> How about the taking of innocent human life which is what abortion does.
Liberals must eliminate this distinction. "Innocent", if it is to have a
meaning, must imply the existence of "good" and of "evil". The concepts of
"good" and "evil" come uncomfortably close to being religious constructs,
and religion must at all costs be eliminated. As to morality, if someone
can do something, then that thing is OK.
So, there is no "guilt" and there is no "innocence" and there is no moral
difference between capital punishment and abortion.
Got that?
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 12:17:58
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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I think we can find a "secular" definition of innocent which allows the rule
against "taking of innocent human life" to work for liberals. We liberals
will argue (and do argue) about what is "human life" so the innocent part
doesn't even come in to play.
The concepts of "good" and "evil" are (as all concepts are) man made
concepts. People have always made up new concepts and sometimes chosen to
live by them.
As to what is Ok and what isn't, that is at some level a personal decision
and at other levels a societal decision.
"Bob the Cow" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
news:IoKdnTUoAZS93YHeRVn-og@centurytel.net...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:4LidnRGp64oekIHeRVn-tQ@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> How about the taking of innocent human life which is what abortion does.
>
> Liberals must eliminate this distinction. "Innocent", if it is to have a
> meaning, must imply the existence of "good" and of "evil". The concepts
> of "good" and "evil" come uncomfortably close to being religious
> constructs, and religion must at all costs be eliminated. As to morality,
> if someone can do something, then that thing is OK.
>
> So, there is no "guilt" and there is no "innocence" and there is no moral
> difference between capital punishment and abortion.
>
> Got that?
>
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 13:34:20
From: Robert L Bass
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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> I think we can find a "secular" definition of innocent which
> allows the rule against "taking of innocent human life" to
> work for liberals. We liberals will argue (and do argue)
> about what is "human life" so the innocent part doesn't
> even come in to play.
Some folks consider me a liberal. Others seem to think I'm a
conservative. Here's my take on it (as though that actually
matters to anyone but me:)).
I personally believe abortion is wrong so I won't pay for an
abortion nor will I assist someone in seeking an abortion. I
also believe that it would be wrong for me to enforce my personal
convictions about abortion upon someone else. Therefore, I
refuse to try to outlaw abortion and I will not try to prevent
someone seeking an abortion from doing so in as medically safe a
facility as is available.
As some may already know at the moment I happen to be in
Salvador, Brazil. This morning I was reading "A Tarde", a
popular newspaper in this city. There was a front page article
on abortion... among 10 to 14 year old children. In this city
where abortion is pretty much banned a young girl is hospitalized
on average every 28 hours due to complications arising from
illegal abortion. Many of these children are rape or incest
victims. Many of them die horrible, excruciating deaths due to
the ravages of "back alley" abortions. One poor girl of 14
recently tried to abort by inserting rat poison. She died in the
hospital a day later.
I find the situation in my own country (the USA) horrific.
Millions of babies are killed every year. Whatever you wish to
call it, innocence must surely be a quality which one would
attribute to an unborn child. Sadly, it appears tat the
statistics would not change much if the so-called "Christian"
right had their way. Roughly the same number of abortions would
occur but there would be far more young women dead or mutilated
as well.
Find a viable solution and I'll back whoever comes up with it.
Without any answers other than to send people to prison for
abortion I will oppose any change.
> The concepts of "good" and "evil" are (as all concepts are)
> man made concepts...
So are the concepts of murder, friendship, love, hatred and war.
The fact that they ware man-made does not make them any less
real.
> People have always made up new concepts and sometimes
> chosen to live by them.
>
> As to what is Ok and what isn't, that is at some level a
> personal decision and at other levels a societal decision.
Agreed. For example, I personally choose not to abort babies. I
also personally choose not to force my personal beliefs on you.
--
Regards,
Robert L Bass
Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
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Date: 06 Sep 2005 01:06:11
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Robert L Bass" <sales@bassburglaralarms.com > wrote in message
news:s6voh1pb8d49t8dhajvdh962ha2fif0osi@4ax.com...
>> I think we can find a "secular" definition of innocent which
>> allows the rule against "taking of innocent human life" to
>> work for liberals. We liberals will argue (and do argue)
>> about what is "human life" so the innocent part doesn't
>> even come in to play.
>
> Some folks consider me a liberal. Others seem to think I'm a
> conservative. Here's my take on it (as though that actually
> matters to anyone but me:)).
>
> I personally believe abortion is wrong so I won't pay for an
> abortion nor will I assist someone in seeking an abortion. I
> also believe that it would be wrong for me to enforce my personal
> convictions about abortion upon someone else. Therefore, I
> refuse to try to outlaw abortion and I will not try to prevent
> someone seeking an abortion from doing so in as medically safe a
> facility as is available.
Robert has got it halfway right at least, but still the muddled thinking is
there for all to see. If abortion is wrong for me, then it is wrong for all
mankind. This is what is known as moral clarity, something that liberals are
incapable of.
> As some may already know at the moment I happen to be in
> Salvador, Brazil. This morning I was reading "A Tarde", a
> popular newspaper in this city. There was a front page article
> on abortion... among 10 to 14 year old children. In this city
> where abortion is pretty much banned a young girl is hospitalized
> on average every 28 hours due to complications arising from
> illegal abortion. Many of these children are rape or incest
> victims. Many of them die horrible, excruciating deaths due to
> the ravages of "back alley" abortions. One poor girl of 14
> recently tried to abort by inserting rat poison. She died in the
> hospital a day later.
The immorality that prevails in most of Brazil is well known. Sometimes I do
not think it is really a Catholic country at all. The whole place is an
abomination. Even though man evolved in the tropics, I do not think it is a
suitable place for man to be living. Thus spake Zarathustra.
> I find the situation in my own country (the USA) horrific.
> Millions of babies are killed every year. Whatever you wish to
> call it, innocence must surely be a quality which one would
> attribute to an unborn child. Sadly, it appears tat the
> statistics would not change much if the so-called "Christian"
> right had their way. Roughly the same number of abortions would
> occur but there would be far more young women dead or mutilated
> as well.
>
> Find a viable solution and I'll back whoever comes up with it.
> Without any answers other than to send people to prison for
> abortion I will oppose any change.
Liberals have already come up with a solution. They play word games. A fetus
is not an unborn baby, certainly not a child and most certainly not a human
being. One of these days they will find an excuse for killing children and
they will do this by playing more word games.
[...]
> Agreed. For example, I personally choose not to abort babies. I
> also personally choose not to force my personal beliefs on you.
Robert is only slightly better than Jeff. Neither one of them have thought
through the consequences of their position. They both exemplify tolerance in
its very worst aspect. They are both halfway to the holocaust, soul mates of
Adolf Hitler.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 08:55:11
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Bob the Cow" <uce@ftc.gov > wrote in message
news:IoKdnTUoAZS93YHeRVn-og@centurytel.net...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:4LidnRGp64oekIHeRVn-tQ@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> How about the taking of innocent human life which is what abortion does.
>
> Liberals must eliminate this distinction. "Innocent", if it is to have a
> meaning, must imply the existence of "good" and of "evil". The concepts
> of "good" and "evil" come uncomfortably close to being religious
> constructs, and religion must at all costs be eliminated. As to morality,
> if someone can do something, then that thing is OK.
>
> So, there is no "guilt" and there is no "innocence" and there is no moral
> difference between capital punishment and abortion.
>
> Got that?
I've got it to perfection Bob, but I do not think the liberal left wing
wacko nuts (all one word) will ever get it. I am not into religion at all.
In fact, I am a thorough going atheist. But I do not want to abandon the
morality of the traditional religions. They save us from ourselves.
Jeff Grippe is a Jew and he should embrace his Judaism for it's moral
teaching just as I embrace my Catholicism for it's moral teaching. Any kind
of relativistic thinking about morals (good and evil) scares the hell out of
me. The past century was replete with various theories of human behavior and
morality and it has been nothing but a horror show. We do not ever want to
repeat the 20th century. That is why I believe liberals are unfit to ever
rule again.
I for one am weighed down with all kinds of guilt. I do not see how a
thinking, feeling human being can be otherwise. There is surely much evil in
the world. It is all I can do to avoid becoming permanently depressed by the
human condition.
I have always liked Jews for their gravitas and their serious approach to
life's conundrums. Jeff continues to disappoint me mightily by his light
weight liberal ideology. A Jew that is not firmly anchored in his religion,
at least with respect to it's moral teachings, is a freak of nature to me.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 04 Sep 2005 13:29:45
From:
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:02:49 -0400, "Jeff Grippe"
<pinjukeguy@hotmail.com > wrote:
>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>news:au6dnZ2dnZ3bH3uLnZ2dnaYah96dnZ2dRVn-zZ2dnZ0@prairiewave.com...
>
>> That is my whole purpose in being here - to entertain and amuse. What is
>> your purpose in being here?
>
>Who says I need a purpose?
>
>> I cannot take anyone seriously on the issue of morality who believes it is
>> just fine and dandy to commit abortion.
>
>That is because your moral compass is poorly calibrated. You can't stop
>abortion. All you can do is decide if it is available only to the wealthy or
>if it is available to people of modest means as well.
Ahhh, that's the problem, your parent's decided aginst this when your
momma found out she was pregnant with. Explains it all. Too bad they
decided aginst trimming the gene pool.
snip of tripe and bombastic self aggradizement
jim
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 02:01:08
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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<ensenadaXXXjim@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:t5mmh11018k1811eubtpkj8lk0pom7339r@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:02:49 -0400, "Jeff Grippe"
> <pinjukeguy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>>news:au6dnZ2dnZ3bH3uLnZ2dnaYah96dnZ2dRVn-zZ2dnZ0@prairiewave.com...
>>
>>> That is my whole purpose in being here - to entertain and amuse. What is
>>> your purpose in being here?
>>
>>Who says I need a purpose?
>>
>>> I cannot take anyone seriously on the issue of morality who believes it
>>> is
>>> just fine and dandy to commit abortion.
>>
>>That is because your moral compass is poorly calibrated. You can't stop
>>abortion. All you can do is decide if it is available only to the wealthy
>>or
>>if it is available to people of modest means as well.
>
> Ahhh, that's the problem, your parent's decided aginst this when your
> momma found out she was pregnant with. Explains it all. Too bad they
> decided aginst trimming the gene pool.
>
> snip of tripe and bombastic self aggradizement
>
>
> jim
Jim wants to get into this conversation on morality and who deserves it and
who doesn't. From his above statement, I cannot figure out if he favors
abortion or if he is against it. Maybe he could clarify his position for the
benefit of the group. We need to know.
You can tell an awful lot about a person depending on the issue of abortion.
It goes to all other kinds of social and moral issues. For instance, those
who think abortion is OK also invariably think homosexuality is also OK. Why
is that I wonder?
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 13:45:23
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On 5-Sep-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
> You can tell an awful lot about a person depending on the issue of
> abortion.
Johnny ReBike [Slowest Bike in the Known Universe] sez, Fast Monkey World
Champion Sean makes case for abortion of bike with huge chainring and sling
seat. http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/costin/seancostin.htm
--
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 00:41:57
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Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 02:01:08 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>
><ensenadaXXXjim@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:t5mmh11018k1811eubtpkj8lk0pom7339r@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 10:02:49 -0400, "Jeff Grippe"
>> <pinjukeguy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>>>news:au6dnZ2dnZ3bH3uLnZ2dnaYah96dnZ2dRVn-zZ2dnZ0@prairiewave.com...
>>>
>>>> That is my whole purpose in being here - to entertain and amuse. What is
>>>> your purpose in being here?
>>>
>>>Who says I need a purpose?
>>>
>>>> I cannot take anyone seriously on the issue of morality who believes it
>>>> is
>>>> just fine and dandy to commit abortion.
>>>
>>>That is because your moral compass is poorly calibrated. You can't stop
>>>abortion. All you can do is decide if it is available only to the wealthy
>>>or
>>>if it is available to people of modest means as well.
>>
>> Ahhh, that's the problem, your parent's decided aginst this when your
>> momma found out she was pregnant with. Explains it all. Too bad they
>> decided aginst trimming the gene pool.
>>
>> snip of tripe and bombastic self aggradizement
>>
>>
>> jim
>
>Jim wants to get into this conversation on morality and who deserves it and
>who doesn't. From his above statement, I cannot figure out if he favors
>abortion or if he is against it. Maybe he could clarify his position for the
>benefit of the group. We need to know.
>
>You can tell an awful lot about a person depending on the issue of abortion.
>It goes to all other kinds of social and moral issues. For instance, those
>who think abortion is OK also invariably think homosexuality is also OK. Why
>is that I wonder?
I never mentioned abortion. All I said is they should have castrated
your father before your conception. No abortion in play.
Betting you're nat man enough to just walk away, eddieboy.
jim
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 03:29:40
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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<ensenadaXXXjim@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:ehtnh15g11j5bioet8pp99febt17epl5ac@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 02:01:08 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote:
[...]
>>> Ahhh, that's the problem, your parent's decided aginst this when your
>>> momma found out she was pregnant with. Explains it all. Too bad they
>>> decided aginst trimming the gene pool.
>
>>Jim wants to get into this conversation on morality and who deserves it
>>and
>>who doesn't. From his above statement, I cannot figure out if he favors
>>abortion or if he is against it. Maybe he could clarify his position for
>>the
>>benefit of the group. We need to know.
>>
>>You can tell an awful lot about a person depending on the issue of
>>abortion.
>>It goes to all other kinds of social and moral issues. For instance, those
>>who think abortion is OK also invariably think homosexuality is also OK.
>>Why
>>is that I wonder?
>
> I never mentioned abortion. All I said is they should have castrated
> your father before your conception. No abortion in play.
Perfectly muddled thinking from beginning to end. But if you are going to be
confused in your thinking, then it is indeed best to be totally confused.
That way everyone will know that you do not know what you are talking about.
Furthermore, he claims to have said something that he never said. See how
easy it is to dispose of a nut case like Jim (no last name of course -
typical of those who are cowards and hide behind user names).
Castration has nothing to do with abortion. It has to do with preventing
conception in the first place. Does Jim then favor castration as a method of
preventing abortions that would otherwise take place. But I am too weary to
explain these gross differences to some who should be in a psychiatric ward
at the state hospital.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 12:36:36
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Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 03:29:40 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net >
wrote:
>--
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
As I figured, eddieboy, you are NOT man enough to walk away. All too
predictable.
jim
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 13:48:05
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On 5-Sep-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
> But I am too weary to explain these gross differences to
> some who should be in a psychiatric ward
> at the state hospital.
Johnny ReBike [Slowest Bike in the Known Universe] sez, eddie dolan is
lonely in mental hospital and want company. Awwwww....
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Date: 05 Sep 2005 03:59:44
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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<ensenadaXXXjim@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:ehtnh15g11j5bioet8pp99febt17epl5ac@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 02:01:08 -0500, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote:
>>> Ahhh, that's the problem, your parent's decided aginst this when your
>>> momma found out she was pregnant with. Explains it all. Too bad they
>>> decided aginst trimming the gene pool.
>>>
>>> snip of tripe and bombastic self aggradizement
>>>
>>>
>>> jim
>>
> I never mentioned abortion. All I said is they should have castrated
> your father before your conception. No abortion in play.
>
> Betting you're nat man enough to just walk away, eddieboy.
>
To be honest I couldn't figure out this reply either. I assumed that Jim was
anti-choice and was chastising me (Jeff) since it was my post that was
edited and snipped with the label "tripe and bombastic self aggrandizement".
My recommendation to both Jim and Ed is to argue the issue not the
personality. But hey, its a free country, by all means say what you want.
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Date: 01 Sep 2005 15:31:18
From: A Passing Theologian
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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Jeff Grippe <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote:
> By the way Ed, we can easily tell a saint by his or her actions. It
> is not necessary for you to tell us in your signature that you are a
> saint. I dare say that a real saint wouldn't do it. I believe that
> pride is one of the seven deadly sins.
One important means of distinguishing between a saint and ordinarry
riff-raff is that saints are, without exception, dead.
Still, we can live in hope, eh?
--
Pope Urban VIII (decd.)
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Date: 01 Sep 2005 10:39:59
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"A Passing Theologian" <Popes-r-Us@privacy.net > wrote in message
news:3noi0hF2hcdnU1@individual.net...
> Jeff Grippe <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote:
>
>> By the way Ed, we can easily tell a saint by his or her actions. It
>> is not necessary for you to tell us in your signature that you are a
>> saint. I dare say that a real saint wouldn't do it. I believe that
>> pride is one of the seven deadly sins.
>
> One important means of distinguishing between a saint and ordinarry
> riff-raff is that saints are, without exception, dead.
>
> Still, we can live in hope, eh?
>
> --
> Pope Urban VIII (decd.)
Well, Hells Bells, if you sit around and wait for others to proclaim you a
saint, you will wait for all eternity. No, when you KNOW you are a saint it
is only right and just that you should proclaim it yourself. Very few go
around proclaiming themselves saints these days, so I think I have carved
out a unique niche for myself.
By the way, you never want to wait for death and what might come afterwards
to reap your rewards. Only religious nuts do that sort of thing. No, I am
entitled to my sainthood by virtue of my holiness in comparison to the
reprobates that dwell here on ARBR in great numbers. Since they boast of
their sinfulness, I shall boast of my holiness.
I have never met anyone as holy as I am. I believe I should rightly be
addressed as Saint Edward. In fact, I am so holy that I may decide to ascend
into Heaven without having to go through the bother of dying, just like Our
Blessed Virgin y.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
PS. One reason I have settled on my rather unique signature is because of an
idiot here on ARBR by the name of Peter Clinch of Dundee, Scotland. If you
want to study a really stupid signature, have a gander at his. He won't even
tell me what a medical physics officer is although I have asked him many
times.
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Date: 30 Aug 2005 13:09:03
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Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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Hey Johnny,
You related to that hip Rebike rider on the Chicago Lakefront sporting
ugly coroplast yellow fenders and ripping up the pavement at 25 mph at
times?
Flabby
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Date: 31 Aug 2005 00:02:04
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On 30-Aug-2005, flabbyblabbyrevealed@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hey Johnny,
>
> You related to that hip Rebike rider on the Chicago Lakefront sporting
> ugly coroplast yellow fenders and ripping up the pavement at 25 mph at
> times?
>
> Flabby
No, but I have a pretty good idea which Monkey you are talking about.
--
Johnny ReBike
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Date: 29 Aug 2005 19:27:36
From: Leif
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Johnny ReBike [Slowest Bike in the Known Universe] would not exist
were it
not for his opposite, Johnny NoCom {Fastest Stock Bike in the Known
Universe]. "
... and neither would exist were it not for the idiot sock-puppeteer
who bores us w/ his posts.
What a rush! Eh, Johnny?
First coming up with something stupid to say, then posting it on arbr
under an equally stupid pseudonym.
What's so pathetic is that you do this for attention while you cowardly
hide behind newsfeeds.com, so no one can find out who you are. But the
truth, Johnny boy, is that we all know who you are. You're the kid who
used to stick your tongue out at us, then hid behind mommy and daddy
when we came over to smack you upside the head.
Every post you make is a reminder of this.
The way I see it, you have two options:
1 - Stop posting. No one will miss you.
2 - Continue to post, and remind us of what is painfully obvious.
Either way, you lose. You see, Johnny Coward, we not only know WHO you
are, but WHAT you are as well; a Loser! And everyone---- even those
you think are you friends--- knows this.
So post away, coward. But just remember, you are irrelevant and
nobody cares about you.
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Date: 29 Aug 2005 23:45:55
From: Al Luminium
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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>
> So post away, coward. But just remember, you are irrelevant and
> nobody cares about you.
>
>
Who the fock are you Leif? The blunt end of the battering ram on G Bush's
war on intelligence? God's focking gift to save recumbency from itself? At
least the Johnnys are funny in their parodies of themselves. You are just
some little obnoxious dipshit with an oversized ego deluding yourself with
your wannbe John Wayne swagger and rapier sharp wit. Haha, what an asshole
you are.
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Date: 30 Aug 2005 07:38:59
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On 29-Aug-2005, "Al Luminium" <light@metals.com > wrote:
> > So post away, coward. But just remember, you are irrelevant and
> > nobody cares about you.
> >
> >
> Who the fock are you Leif?
Johnny ReBike [Slowest Bike in the Known Universe] sez - Leif is Clitoris
Lee Jr.
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Date: 30 Aug 2005 01:55:24
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Al Luminium" <light@metals.com > wrote in message
news:1125377328_363@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> >
>> So post away, coward. But just remember, you are irrelevant and
>> nobody cares about you.
>>
>>
> Who the fock are you Leif? The blunt end of the battering ram on G Bush's
> war on intelligence? God's focking gift to save recumbency from itself? At
> least the Johnnys are funny in their parodies of themselves. You are just
> some little obnoxious dipshit with an oversized ego deluding yourself with
> your wannbe John Wayne swagger and rapier sharp wit. Haha, what an asshole
> you are.
Here is the future of ARBR. Anyone here ever think "Johnny" (Ed Gin) was the
least bit funny? But I leave all you idiots to yourselves. May you all
"fock" one another into the next world for all I care.
Also, note how those who hide behind proxies like to string together as many
dirty words as they can. Al and Ed Gin are soul mates, that is for sure and
they will administer the coup de grace to this "focking" newsgroup. Good
riddance to ARBR!
Maybe Jon Meinecke, supreme coward that he is, will at least have the good
grace to say a rest-in-peace prayer for the group after it has finally died
and gone to hell. It shouldn't take Ed Gin and Al more than a couple of
weeks to polish off this cowardly group known as ARBR. The both of them are
nothing but criminal vandal trolls. Maybe Wayne LoGo, the Poet of ARBR,
would like to take them on in order to learn the difference between a law
abiding troll and a criminal vandal troll, but I suspect he is even more
cowardly than Jon Meinecke.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 30 Aug 2005 07:35:58
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On 30-Aug-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
> "Al Luminium" <light@metals.com> wrote in message
> news:1125377328_363@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> > >
> >> So post away, coward. But just remember, you are irrelevant and
> >> nobody cares about you.
> >>
> >>
> > Who the fock are you Leif? The blunt end of the battering ram on G
> > Bush's
> > war on intelligence? God's focking gift to save recumbency from itself?
> > At
> > least the Johnnys are funny in their parodies of themselves. You are
> > just
> > some little obnoxious dipshit with an oversized ego deluding yourself
> > with
> > your wannbe John Wayne swagger and rapier sharp wit. Haha, what an
> > asshole
> > you are.
>
> Here is the future of ARBR. Anyone here ever think "Johnny" (Ed Gin) was
> the
> least bit funny? But I leave all you idiots to yourselves. May you all
> "fock" one another into the next world for all I care.
What the fock dolan? All Monkeys on the Island know Johnny NoCom [Fastest
Stock Bike in the Known Universe] is not Ed Gin.
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Date: 29 Aug 2005 11:13:53
From: LoGo USA
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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Hey Gang (as well as official scorekeepers and drug
testing personnel) -
In transient triumph the treacherously intransigent
TROLL transparently traduced:
>You [referring to himself with bizarre yet fairly
>typical illogic] are now the champion poster of all
>time to ARBR.
Today the TROLL's announcement came:
At last he's reached new heights of fame...
But there's one doubt I must proclaim:
Guys, wasn't there some silly game
Last winter when someone took aim
And did his best to maul and maim
The TROLL's huge ego? In that flame
Dispute (not 'WAR', folks; much too tame),
Some words were posted in his name
By some rude dude or rowdy dame
(Some poor low racer got the blame.)
I couldn't tell; they looked the same
(That is to say: offensive, lame).
This simple point I have to frame:
If those are counted in his claim,
The TROLL has reached new depths of shame.
Regards,
Wayne
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Date: 30 Aug 2005 01:31:16
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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On 29-Aug-2005, "LoGo USA" <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote:
> Guys, wasn't there some silly game
> Last winter when someone took aim
> And did his best to maul and maim
> The TROLL's huge ego? In that flame
> Dispute (not 'WAR', folks; much too tame),
> Some words were posted in his name
> By some rude dude or rowdy dame
> (Some poor low racer got the blame.)
> I couldn't tell; they looked the same
> (That is to say: offensive, lame).
Johnny ReBike [Slowest Bike in the Known Universe] would not exist were it
not for his opposite, Johnny NoCom {Fastest Stock Bike in the Known
Universe].
Hail Johnny NoCom!
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Date: 29 Aug 2005 20:52:13
From: Slugger
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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In article <1125339233.963577.166050@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com >,
LoGo USA <wayne@logo-us.com > wrote:
> Hey Gang (as well as official scorekeepers and drug
> testing personnel) -
>
> In transient triumph the treacherously intransigent
> TROLL transparently traduced:
>
> >You [referring to himself with bizarre yet fairly
> >typical illogic] are now the champion poster of all
> >time to ARBR.
>
> Today the TROLL's announcement came:
> At last he's reached new heights of fame...
> But there's one doubt I must proclaim:
>
> Guys, wasn't there some silly game
> Last winter when someone took aim
> And did his best to maul and maim
> The TROLL's huge ego? In that flame
> Dispute (not 'WAR', folks; much too tame),
> Some words were posted in his name
> By some rude dude or rowdy dame
> (Some poor low racer got the blame.)
> I couldn't tell; they looked the same
> (That is to say: offensive, lame).
>
> This simple point I have to frame:
> If those are counted in his claim,
> The TROLL has reached new depths of shame.
>
> Regards,
> Wayne
>
That was beautiful Wayne.
*sniff* Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out Dolan.
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Date: 29 Aug 2005 02:35:37
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
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>
> My God Almighty, Ed Dolan the Great, you have done it!
>
> You are now the champion poster of all time to ARBR. Your Greatness
> humbles
> us, poor pitiful typical idiot posters to ARBR that we are and who do not
> even deserve to live under your shadow.
>
> Ed, I mean, how the hell did you do it? You beat that damnable Tom
> Sherman,
> who as everyone knows was nothing but a liberal scum bag who infested this
> group like forever, but who has now thankfully left for greener pastures
> and
> is no longer soiling this group with his excrement. Your perseverance and
> stamina as well as your brilliance (bordering on genius) is a beacon to us
> all. If only we could be Great like you!
>
> Ed. let me congratulate you on being not only the most prolific poster of
> all time to ARBR but as being the most content laden poster of all time to
> ARBR as well. Most of us who post to this group are nothing but one liner
> types who should never be on any newsgroup in the first place. We are
> nothing but midgets and dwarfs and we beg you not to leave us now that you
> have PROVEN to us all that you are the CHAMPION.
>
> Show us mercy and forgive us for being so small mined and for being such
> petty idiots. Without you we are nothing. You are an inspiration to us and
> we shall attempt to rise to the Greatness that you have shown us. All we
> ask
> is a second chance to prove ourselves to you. Please forgive us for being
> idiots. We can't help it. We were born that way. Our brains are severely
> deformed.
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> PS. I will shortly follow up with my final farewell to ARBR. The fact is
> that you do not deserve me nor do I deserve you. My final farewell will I
> think be my third or fourth final farewell and there will as usual be much
> swearing and cussing and slamming of doors. I will tell of you what I
> think
> of you and I will let the devil take you! Stay tuned.
Here is the score as of of 2:35 AM Central Daylight Time August 29, 2005:
5393 edo...@iw.net 5391 tsher...@qconline.com
Read the numbers and weep!
Lance Armstrong - move over. A new CHAMPION has emerged.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
PS. Please post your congratulations to me on ARBR as I do not want my ISP
to be overwhelmed with your effusions.
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Date: 29 Aug 2005 17:48:31
From:
Subject: Re: Milestone Day for ARBR Arrives!
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Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>
> Here is the score as of of 2:35 AM Central Daylight Time August 29, 2005:
>
> 5393 edo...@iw.net 5391 tsher...@qconline.com
>
> Read the numbers and weep!
I heard EPO was found all over your keyboard, therefore tainting
your post total.
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