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Date: 16 Jan 2007 10:39:27
From: Buck
Subject: New recumbent newsgroup
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Can anyone who is genuinely interested in there being a new recumbent newsgroup plese contact me via my website link below and if the response
is high enough I will go through the motions of setting one up, it will be a moderated group so that the problems of this one are not repeated.
--
Buck
Give a little person a little power and create a big problem.
http://www.catrike.co.uk
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 10:19:45
From: 32GO
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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Buck (in disgust) wrote:
> There you go folks. Time to move on.
I was glad to note that this 'New Group' discussion was
started by Buck, who is one of the most recent on-topic
posters in an on-topic thread to be ambushed by Uno Hoo,
with zero provocation. It accused Buck of hiding behind
a user name (falsely!), being some faux foe from its
contentious past (falsely!), or maybe just being British.
I'm adding a new thread with an alternate suggestion
to starting another newsgroup. Most of us have, for
most of the time we've spent with ARBR, won our
individual battles with the TROLL, simply by ignoring
it. However, there's almost always another individual
who's (vainly) trying to reason with or address it in
some way. But what if we ALL ignore it, all at the
same time for a week or two?
Regards,
Wayne
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 16:47:20
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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"32GO" <wayne@32go.us > wrote in message
news:1169057985.491103.311440@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Buck (in disgust) wrote:
>
>
>> There you go folks. Time to move on.
>
> I was glad to note that this 'New Group' discussion was
> started by Buck, who is one of the most recent on-topic
> posters in an on-topic thread to be ambushed by Uno Hoo,
> with zero provocation. It accused Buck of hiding behind
> a user name (falsely!), being some faux foe from its
> contentious past (falsely!), or maybe just being British.
Buck's post would not be considered on-topic by most on this group. However,
I do consider such posts on-topic because they deal with housekeeping
chores. That is the one exception where I will interfere if I have anything
to say.
In any event, Buck has been a long standing enemy of mine from years ago. He
is a UK nut and those are the worst kind of nuts (even worse than California
nuts like Wayne Leggett). Whatever I give him he deserves in spades.
> I'm adding a new thread with an alternate suggestion
> to starting another newsgroup. Most of us have, for
> most of the time we've spent with ARBR, won our
> individual battles with the TROLL, simply by ignoring
> it. However, there's almost always another individual
> who's (vainly) trying to reason with or address it in
> some way. But what if we ALL ignore it, all at the
> same time for a week or two?
It will never happen because I am the most interesting person ever to show
up on this group. Other simply can't resist my invitations to have a round
or two with me. You are proof of that yourself! Hells Bells, it is what
keeps this group from going the way of BROL if you ask me. You want BROL?
Then go there!
But I am thinking about taking a vacation from this group and see how it
goes without me. Stay tuned. However, if I do take a vacation it will be de
rigueur that there be no discussion of my Greatness!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 07:19:15
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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Peter Clinch wrote:
> Jeff Grippe wrote:
>
> > But nobody else is here for that reason. There must be groups where you can
> > be contentious as much as you want and you would be in your element. Leave
> > the cyclists alone.
>
> But he couldn't wind people up so much that way, which appears to be his
> purpose, along with wasting time which he seems to have in
> superabundance. If you don't want to be wound up and have your time
> wasted, put him in the Bozo Bin. There's no point trying to reason with
> him, because he's not interested in being reasonable. There's no point
> trying to deal with by your rules, he's playing with a different set,
> which involves ignoring yours. You know this. Stop assuming that one
> more appeal to reason will work, it won't.
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
Oh no. I can see it coming down the pike now ... Dolan's recycled
tirade over Peter's signature. It is just a matter of time before Mr.
Predictably Repetitious jumps on this one. Peter's observations are
valid. Dolan plays ONLY by his set of rules to the exclusion of
everyone else's. An appeal to reason only works with someone who is
reasonable and is receptive to reason and Dolan is neither reasonable
nor is he receptive to reason. I've tried appeal to reason approach
and found it to be only a waste of time. - Jim McNaa
Jim McNaa
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 16:30:36
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1169047155.855069.204730@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Peter Clinch wrote:
>> Jeff Grippe wrote:
>>
>> > But nobody else is here for that reason. There must be groups where you
>> > can
>> > be contentious as much as you want and you would be in your element.
>> > Leave
>> > the cyclists alone.
>>
>> But he couldn't wind people up so much that way, which appears to be his
>> purpose, along with wasting time which he seems to have in
>> superabundance. If you don't want to be wound up and have your time
>> wasted, put him in the Bozo Bin. There's no point trying to reason with
>> him, because he's not interested in being reasonable. There's no point
>> trying to deal with by your rules, he's playing with a different set,
>> which involves ignoring yours. You know this. Stop assuming that one
>> more appeal to reason will work, it won't.
>>
>> Pete.
>> --
>> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
>> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
>> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
>> net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
>
> Oh no. I can see it coming down the pike now ... Dolan's recycled
> tirade over Peter's signature. It is just a matter of time before Mr.
> Predictably Repetitious jumps on this one.
Already been there, done that!
Peter's observations are
> valid. Dolan plays ONLY by his set of rules to the exclusion of
> everyone else's. An appeal to reason only works with someone who is
> reasonable and is receptive to reason and Dolan is neither reasonable
> nor is he receptive to reason. I've tried appeal to reason approach
> and found it to be only a waste of time. - Jim McNaa
Jim is a stalker and, almost as bad, a whiner. He no longer is as longwinded
as he used to be, so I feel I am making some progress with him. Who knows,
some day he may even be Great like ME!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 07:12:30
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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Peter Clinch wrote:
> Jeff Grippe wrote:
>
> > But nobody else is here for that reason. There must be groups where you can
> > be contentious as much as you want and you would be in your element. Leave
> > the cyclists alone.
>
> But he couldn't wind people up so much that way, which appears to be his
> purpose, along with wasting time which he seems to have in
> superabundance. If you don't want to be wound up and have your time
> wasted, put him in the Bozo Bin. There's no point trying to reason with
> him, because he's not interested in being reasonable. There's no point
> trying to deal with by your rules, he's playing with a different set,
> which involves ignoring yours. You know this. Stop assuming that one
> more appeal to reason will work, it won't.
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 07:13:46
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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"Buck" <ian@ATtrikesandstuffDOT.coDOT.uk > wrote in message
news:1161039.ETHLFIWC@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Can anyone who is genuinely interested in there being a new recumbent
> newsgroup plese contact me via my website link below and if the response
> is high enough I will go through the motions of setting one up, it will be
> a moderated group so that the problems of this one are not repeated.
This is not a genuine offer, I assure you. Buck is from the UK and there are
surely plenty of recumbent cyclists there that he could recruit to a
moderated group if he was so inclined.
Buck posted the message above to bring all the nerds and jerks of ARBR out
of the woodwork. He wants to know if they still exist. But he played right
into my hands. After all, there is nothing I like better than to take
everyone to task for being so utterly inferior, both as human beings and as
Usenet members.
However, a moderated recumbent newsgroup would not be such a bad idea, but
only if Ed Dolan the Great is the moderator. I will want to be paid many
thousands of dollars for doing my thing of course. I promise that all of you
will have an extremely difficult time ever getting any of your pitiful
messages posted to this new moderated group that I will be in charge of.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 05:12:26
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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Buck wrote:
> On 01/17/2007 09:10:05 "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>
> > "Buck" <ian@ATtrikesandstuffDOT.coDOT.uk> wrote in message
> > news:1162158.MWLYRJNC@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
> >> On 01/16/2007 18:04:20 "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I'm not sure it the original poster realize how much work would be
> >>> entailed but certainly understand where he's coming from .
>
> >> I used to own an ISP.
>
> > It is not possible that someone as stupid as Buck could ever have owned an
> > ISP. Hells Bells, does he even own a brain?
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Ed Dolan
>
> There you go folks. Time to move on.
>
> --
>
> Buck
Like I said in another post ...it was just a matter of time ... Jim
McNaa
>
> Give a little person a little power and create a big problem.
>
> http://www.catrike.co.uk
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 02:28:07
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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"Buck" <ian@ATtrikesandstuffDOT.coDOT.uk > wrote in message
news:1161039.ETHLFIWC@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Can anyone who is genuinely interested in there being a new recumbent
> newsgroup plese contact me via my website link below and if the response
> is high enough I will go through the motions of setting one up, it will be
> a moderated group so that the problems of this one are not repeated.
I offer myself as the moderator for the new group. I will make damn sure
that fully 99% of you never get a word in edgewise!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 17:03:56
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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JimmyMac wrote:
> Jeff Grippe wrote:
> > Both of you move over...The first computer I ever used was the Dartmouth
> > Time Sharing System which was connected to a KSR-33 teletype. The speed was
> > 110 baud. It seemed really fast at the time. It had a paper tape punch (that
> > was how you saved your programs) and reader (that was how you loaded them).
> > When I first saw 300 baud I couldn't believe how fast it was. Those were the
> > days.
> >
> > Jeff
> > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1168986061.684471.317150@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> > >> On 16 Jan 2007 10:34:21 -0800, "32GO" <wayne@32go.us> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
> > >> >unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
> > >> >and archive that does the filtering for you.
> > >>
> > >> True, for a variety of reasons (partly because I've come from way
> > >> back, the days of 1200 bps modems, Pine and Compuserve and worked my
> > >> way forward) I prefer readers to web-based clients. Other than moving
> > >> to a service that offers killfile capabilities, that is a problem. I
> > >> assume that you get the web-based clients pretty much for free and
> > >> don't have to pay for a newsgroup server either.
> > >>
> > >> So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
> > >> rid of ED on RBR...
> > >>
> > >> Curtis L. Russell
> > >> Odenton, MD (USA)
> > >> Just someone on two wheels...
> > >
> > > Curtis ... move over "old timer". I go back to when speeds were on
> > > fourth that (300). Heck I remember acoustic couplers, but you have
> > > been around for a long time too. Dolan refers to Outlook Express a a
> > > newsreader which it is not. It is an email client functions as a
> > > newsreader. As such it does have some rudimentary filtering to serve
> > > as a killfile, but I've not played with it enough to advise. Perhaps
> > > someone more knowledgeable (not you Ed) can jump in here. I use
> > > Firefox but have never installed or use the email client Thunderbird
> > > and I'm wondering if it might not have more powerful and flexible
> > > killfile (filtering) capability, and the price is right ... FREE..
> > > Opinions anyone?
> > >
> > > Jim McNaa
Oops ... I just inadvertently sent a blank message. Jeff, I think I
recall the 110 now that I think of it, but you probably preceded me in
the IT field then called data processing. My start was in 1970 on '60s
vintage IBM mainframe hardware. I was an applications programmer, a
systems programmer, PC technical support among other things. I got
involved in the microcomputer hobby early on and recall computer kits,
front panel toggle switches, paper tape and audio cassette I/O devices,
10cps teletype printers, etc. Those were exciting times in the hobby
before it became dominated by what is now big business. still I built
my last PC with the motherboard that I pulled out of a Dell, but I
digress. This has nothing to do with recumbents or the topic at hand.
I'm curious to see where this will take us.
Jim McNaa
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 22:13:24
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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> Oops ... I just inadvertently sent a blank message. Jeff, I think I
> recall the 110 now that I think of it, but you probably preceded me in
> the IT field then called data processing. My start was in 1970 on '60s
> vintage IBM mainframe hardware. I was an applications programmer, a
> systems programmer, PC technical support among other things. I got
> involved in the microcomputer hobby early on and recall computer kits,
> front panel toggle switches, paper tape and audio cassette I/O devices,
> 10cps teletype printers, etc. Those were exciting times in the hobby
> before it became dominated by what is now big business. still I built
> my last PC with the motherboard that I pulled out of a Dell, but I
> digress. This has nothing to do with recumbents or the topic at hand.
> I'm curious to see where this will take us.
I also got started in the 70's. Most of my early experience was with Time
Sharing systems and Minis. After we dumped Dartmouth Time Sharing, we got a
PDP 11/45 running RSTS. The programming language was BASIC +. The 11 had
RK-05 drives which were the size of a small automobile tire and held an
amazing 5 Mb. At the time, that was more than enough to hold all of the
administrative programs along with all of the student work. We were still
using KSR-33's from teletype although we also had a few Decwriters. You had
to be special to get access to those.
Jeff
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 16:40:36
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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Jeff Grippe wrote:
> Both of you move over...The first computer I ever used was the Dartmouth
> Time Sharing System which was connected to a KSR-33 teletype. The speed was
> 110 baud. It seemed really fast at the time. It had a paper tape punch (that
> was how you saved your programs) and reader (that was how you loaded them).
> When I first saw 300 baud I couldn't believe how fast it was. Those were the
> days.
>
> Jeff
> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1168986061.684471.317150@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> >> On 16 Jan 2007 10:34:21 -0800, "32GO" <wayne@32go.us> wrote:
> >>
> >> >For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
> >> >unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
> >> >and archive that does the filtering for you.
> >>
> >> True, for a variety of reasons (partly because I've come from way
> >> back, the days of 1200 bps modems, Pine and Compuserve and worked my
> >> way forward) I prefer readers to web-based clients. Other than moving
> >> to a service that offers killfile capabilities, that is a problem. I
> >> assume that you get the web-based clients pretty much for free and
> >> don't have to pay for a newsgroup server either.
> >>
> >> So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
> >> rid of ED on RBR...
> >>
> >> Curtis L. Russell
> >> Odenton, MD (USA)
> >> Just someone on two wheels...
> >
> > Curtis ... move over "old timer". I go back to when speeds were on
> > fourth that (300). Heck I remember acoustic couplers, but you have
> > been around for a long time too. Dolan refers to Outlook Express a a
> > newsreader which it is not. It is an email client functions as a
> > newsreader. As such it does have some rudimentary filtering to serve
> > as a killfile, but I've not played with it enough to advise. Perhaps
> > someone more knowledgeable (not you Ed) can jump in here. I use
> > Firefox but have never installed or use the email client Thunderbird
> > and I'm wondering if it might not have more powerful and flexible
> > killfile (filtering) capability, and the price is right ... FREE..
> > Opinions anyone?
> >
> > Jim McNaa
> >
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 14:21:03
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> On 16 Jan 2007 10:34:21 -0800, "32GO" <wayne@32go.us> wrote:
>
> >For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
> >unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
> >and archive that does the filtering for you.
>
> True, for a variety of reasons (partly because I've come from way
> back, the days of 1200 bps modems, Pine and Compuserve and worked my
> way forward) I prefer readers to web-based clients. Other than moving
> to a service that offers killfile capabilities, that is a problem. I
> assume that you get the web-based clients pretty much for free and
> don't have to pay for a newsgroup server either.
>
> So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
> rid of ED on RBR...
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Odenton, MD (USA)
> Just someone on two wheels...
Curtis ... move over "old timer". I go back to when speeds were on
fourth that (300). Heck I remember acoustic couplers, but you have
been around for a long time too. Dolan refers to Outlook Express a a
newsreader which it is not. It is an email client functions as a
newsreader. As such it does have some rudimentary filtering to serve
as a killfile, but I've not played with it enough to advise. Perhaps
someone more knowledgeable (not you Ed) can jump in here. I use
Firefox but have never installed or use the email client Thunderbird
and I'm wondering if it might not have more powerful and flexible
killfile (filtering) capability, and the price is right ... FREE..
Opinions anyone?
Jim McNaa
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 09:12:03
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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On 16 Jan 2007 14:21:03 -0800, "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>Perhaps
>someone more knowledgeable (not you Ed) can jump in here. I use
>Firefox but have never installed or use the email client Thunderbird
>and I'm wondering if it might not have more powerful and flexible
>killfile (filtering) capability, and the price is right ... FREE..
>Opinions anyone?
I've used Thunderbird and it is OK as an email client, but not great.
It can handle multiple email accounts, which is the minimum starting
point for me. Free Agent is also free and has minimal email
capabilities compared to better email clients, but the latest version
is a good, free newsgroup client. Agent is better in both categories,
but still better as a newsgroup client than email - and of course, not
free.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 09:01:01
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org > wrote in message
news:vfbsq2tao3ukphhii4mpvbh2s7c28n68vr@4ax.com...
> On 16 Jan 2007 14:21:03 -0800, "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Perhaps
>>someone more knowledgeable (not you Ed) can jump in here. I use
>>Firefox but have never installed or use the email client Thunderbird
>>and I'm wondering if it might not have more powerful and flexible
>>killfile (filtering) capability, and the price is right ... FREE..
>>Opinions anyone?
>
> I've used Thunderbird and it is OK as an email client, but not great.
> It can handle multiple email accounts, which is the minimum starting
> point for me. Free Agent is also free and has minimal email
> capabilities compared to better email clients, but the latest version
> is a good, free newsgroup client. Agent is better in both categories,
> but still better as a newsgroup client than email - and of course, not
> free.
Only an idiot like Curtis Russell would pay $10. a month for a newsreader
when there are plenty of free ones available. But he most likely has more
money than brains - which he proves every time he posts to this group.
Jim wants a free newsreader, not one that is going to cost him $120. a year.
I recommend that he use his OE if his ISP supports it. Also, I don't think
Jim is all that concerned about kill-filing anyone. He, unlike Russell,
likes to know what others are saying about him.
The Google Groups webpage is presently all messed up due to the SPAMMING
TROLL and that surely is the reason why he would like to get off of it as
well as for greater ease in posting messages. One thing is for sure, Jim
will NEVER kill-file the Great Ed Dolan. That thought would never even occur
to him.
Now you began to see why Ed Dolan is Great and why Curtis Russell is an
Idiot!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 19:21:40
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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Both of you move over...The first computer I ever used was the Dartmouth
Time Sharing System which was connected to a KSR-33 teletype. The speed was
110 baud. It seemed really fast at the time. It had a paper tape punch (that
was how you saved your programs) and reader (that was how you loaded them).
When I first saw 300 baud I couldn't believe how fast it was. Those were the
days.
Jeff
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1168986061.684471.317150@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Curtis L. Russell wrote:
>> On 16 Jan 2007 10:34:21 -0800, "32GO" <wayne@32go.us> wrote:
>>
>> >For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
>> >unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
>> >and archive that does the filtering for you.
>>
>> True, for a variety of reasons (partly because I've come from way
>> back, the days of 1200 bps modems, Pine and Compuserve and worked my
>> way forward) I prefer readers to web-based clients. Other than moving
>> to a service that offers killfile capabilities, that is a problem. I
>> assume that you get the web-based clients pretty much for free and
>> don't have to pay for a newsgroup server either.
>>
>> So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
>> rid of ED on RBR...
>>
>> Curtis L. Russell
>> Odenton, MD (USA)
>> Just someone on two wheels...
>
> Curtis ... move over "old timer". I go back to when speeds were on
> fourth that (300). Heck I remember acoustic couplers, but you have
> been around for a long time too. Dolan refers to Outlook Express a a
> newsreader which it is not. It is an email client functions as a
> newsreader. As such it does have some rudimentary filtering to serve
> as a killfile, but I've not played with it enough to advise. Perhaps
> someone more knowledgeable (not you Ed) can jump in here. I use
> Firefox but have never installed or use the email client Thunderbird
> and I'm wondering if it might not have more powerful and flexible
> killfile (filtering) capability, and the price is right ... FREE..
> Opinions anyone?
>
> Jim McNaa
>
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 13:43:12
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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32GO wrote:
> Curtis wrote:
>
> > the real problem is only peripherally ED...
>
> It's very pleasant to see reasonable discussion here.
> I understand what Curtis is saying, and respect his
> perspective, even though I'm not in total agreement.
> As I reread my post, which was already way too long,
> I sort of flinched when I noticed that my comments
> were based on a web-centric interface to ARBR and
> largely ignored folks who do use newsreaders.
>
> Curtis's input comes from the other extreme, of course,
> and his suggestions may be a valid approach for some
> (would-be?) participants here. However, given the extent
> to which Usenet has been integrated into the much more
> popular world of http, I think it's pretty likely that
> a sizable segment of folks today who read and post to
> Usenet groups have never fired up and set up a real
> newsreader interface.
>
> For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
> unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
> and archive that does the filtering for you. The great
> offense of our resident TROLL, I think, is the hostility
> he has shown to on-topic posters. Most folks who post
> here are interested in the replies to their messages,
> and he has alienated way too many posters, along with
> other potential participants who don't wish to be cursed
> or ridiculed simply because they'd like to ask a question
> or tell some other people who might care about a neat
> recumbent experience.
>
> So... I believe that the TROLL is not so peripheral
> as Curtis (and other newsreader users) may regard him.
> It's not just his grossly overdone volume of off-topic
> posts (which still vastly outnumber the total quantity
> of replies he gets from ALL other posters); IMHO he's
> also the priy reason that recumbent riders opt to
> post at BROL rather than here. And that lack of real,
> interesting, on-topic messages impacts even the guys
> like Curtis who visit us by newsreader.
>
> Regards,
> Wayne
I've tried it both ways. I've not bothered too much with the
newsreader (Outlook Express) though I've set it up and I suppose I
really should spend more time with it, but always figure I'm just here
for a short spell and then get embroiled in another fracas with Eddy D.
I have to break out of that habit. Wayne's points are well taken.
Unlike Dolan, he is obviously a rational person who thinks things
through and and communicate his thoughts well ... even in prose ;^).
I'm suspect when Ed gets wind of this thread, Wayne, Curt and I will
hear from the misanthropic Minnesotan ... the worthless from
Worthington - Order of the Perpetual Sorry Asses, but who cares.
Jim McNaa
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 09:22:19
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
On 16 Jan 2007 13:43:12 -0800, "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>I'm suspect when Ed gets wind of this thread, Wayne, Curt and I will
>hear from the misanthropic Minnesotan ... the worthless from
>Worthington - Order of the Perpetual Sorry Asses, but who cares.
Agent lets you copy the profile from one computer to another by
copying the Agent directories, so ED has been kill filed for a very
long time - the only person that I have kill filed, but then I never
ever read anything by him worth reading. So I won't be hearing from
him, except indirectly, when someone quotes him.
ED was fourth rate at best in anything he discussed and its too late
for him to make up any ground. My son had a bad four or five minutes
growing up where he sounded like ED ever so briefly (teenage years),
but then he grew up. ED won't.
Enough about ED. Time for the adults to move on to more worthwhile
topics. My intention is to not mention him any more than absolutely
necessary...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 08:40:19
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org > wrote in message
news:5pbsq2ta57islb4sddf2fuu2cekvu34rdi@4ax.com...
> On 16 Jan 2007 13:43:12 -0800, "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>I'm suspect when Ed gets wind of this thread, Wayne, Curt and I will
>>hear from the misanthropic Minnesotan ... the worthless from
>>Worthington - Order of the Perpetual Sorry Asses, but who cares.
>
> Agent lets you copy the profile from one computer to another by
> copying the Agent directories, so ED has been kill filed for a very
> long time - the only person that I have kill filed, but then I never
> ever read anything by him worth reading. So I won't be hearing from
> him, except indirectly, when someone quotes him.
ARBR used to be full of assholes like Curtis Russell. Most of them left for
BROL because they couldn't take the heat. They just wanted a nice comfy chat
room where they could greet one another all day long. Nerds and jerks - the
lot of them! Good riddance to bad rubbish - as we used to say as kids.
But it pleases me no end that it is costing Russell $10. a month (Agent) to
avoid me. Jeez, that is $120. a year! What an idiot!
> ED was fourth rate at best in anything he discussed and its too late
> for him to make up any ground. My son had a bad four or five minutes
> growing up where he sounded like ED ever so briefly (teenage years),
> but then he grew up. ED won't.
Ed Dolan is just so Great! On that we can all agree! Hells Bells, even a 4th
rate Ed Dolan is still a thousand times better than a dullard like Russell.
He should definitely stay on BROL where he can be with his kind. He and
Cletus Lee can try to stimulate one another to assure themselves that they
are not dead. Old Cletus Lee hates live wires like Ed Dolan the Great just
as much as Russell does.
> Enough about ED. Time for the adults to move on to more worthwhile
> topics. My intention is to not mention him any more than absolutely
> necessary...
Poor Russell! He will see me over and over if I am the only one he has
kill-filed. But he really should not talk about me if he isn't reading my
posts in full. That is ever the hallk of a scoundrel. Others almost never
quote me in full. Jim, to his credit, is very good about quoting me, even
though he still top posts too often.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 04:13:32
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1168983791.153999.168210@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> I've tried it both ways. I've not bothered too much with the
> newsreader (Outlook Express) though I've set it up and I suppose I
> really should spend more time with it, but always figure I'm just here
> for a short spell and then get embroiled in another fracas with Eddy D.
> I have to break out of that habit. Wayne's points are well taken.
> Unlike Dolan, he is obviously a rational person who thinks things
> through and and communicate his thoughts well ... even in prose ;^).
There is never any reason for Wayne to write his verse to this newsgroup.
His prose is no better and no worse than anyone else's. If he wants to
communicate with anyone on this group, he had better stick to prose. Poetry
went out with the 19th century.
Why has not Wayne ever complemented you are YOUR verse? Because he is
self-absorbed. You have at least said some kind things about him, but he
will never return the favor. Bastards like him abound in this world. Get
used to it.
> I'm suspect when Ed gets wind of this thread, Wayne, Curt and I will
> hear from the misanthropic Minnesotan ... the worthless from
> Worthington - Order of the Perpetual Sorry Asses, but who cares.
Ah, but Jim cares! Note how he will stalk me for his next several posts,
ever the sign of someone who does not have anything to say on his own.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 10:34:21
From: 32GO
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
Curtis wrote:
> the real problem is only peripherally ED...
It's very pleasant to see reasonable discussion here.
I understand what Curtis is saying, and respect his
perspective, even though I'm not in total agreement.
As I reread my post, which was already way too long,
I sort of flinched when I noticed that my comments
were based on a web-centric interface to ARBR and
largely ignored folks who do use newsreaders.
Curtis's input comes from the other extreme, of course,
and his suggestions may be a valid approach for some
(would-be?) participants here. However, given the extent
to which Usenet has been integrated into the much more
popular world of http, I think it's pretty likely that
a sizable segment of folks today who read and post to
Usenet groups have never fired up and set up a real
newsreader interface.
For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
and archive that does the filtering for you. The great
offense of our resident TROLL, I think, is the hostility
he has shown to on-topic posters. Most folks who post
here are interested in the replies to their messages,
and he has alienated way too many posters, along with
other potential participants who don't wish to be cursed
or ridiculed simply because they'd like to ask a question
or tell some other people who might care about a neat
recumbent experience.
So... I believe that the TROLL is not so peripheral
as Curtis (and other newsreader users) may regard him.
It's not just his grossly overdone volume of off-topic
posts (which still vastly outnumber the total quantity
of replies he gets from ALL other posters); IMHO he's
also the priy reason that recumbent riders opt to
post at BROL rather than here. And that lack of real,
interesting, on-topic messages impacts even the guys
like Curtis who visit us by newsreader.
Regards,
Wayne
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 03:50:55
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
"32GO" <wayne@32go.us > wrote in message
news:1168972461.176752.114790@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Curtis wrote:
>
>> the real problem is only peripherally ED...
>
> It's very pleasant to see reasonable discussion here.
> I understand what Curtis is saying, and respect his
> perspective, even though I'm not in total agreement.
> As I reread my post, which was already way too long,
> I sort of flinched when I noticed that my comments
> were based on a web-centric interface to ARBR and
> largely ignored folks who do use newsreaders.
Web-centric interface? He means the Google Groups webpage. What an idiot!
> Curtis's input comes from the other extreme, of course,
> and his suggestions may be a valid approach for some
> (would-be?) participants here. However, given the extent
> to which Usenet has been integrated into the much more
> popular world of http, I think it's pretty likely that
> a sizable segment of folks today who read and post to
> Usenet groups have never fired up and set up a real
> newsreader interface.
Wayne is just plain wrong about this as he is about most everything else
under the sun. What an idiot! I think only Jim McNaa also uses the Google
Groups webpage. But that figures since they are BOTH idiots!
> For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
> unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
> and archive that does the filtering for you. The great
> offense of our resident TROLL, I think, is the hostility
> he has shown to on-topic posters.
Nope, not true. The Great Ed Dolan does not interfere with on-topic posts.
But I will be here for you the moment you get off-topic, especially if it is
political in nature. However, I do not consider housekeeping chores
connected with a newsgroup to be off-topic. That is the only exception.
Most folks who post
> here are interested in the replies to their messages,
> and he has alienated way too many posters, along with
> other potential participants who don't wish to be cursed
> or ridiculed simply because they'd like to ask a question
> or tell some other people who might care about a neat
> recumbent experience.
Nope, not true. The Great Ed Dolan does not interfere with on-topic posts.
But I will be here for you the moment you get off-topic, especially if it is
political in nature. However, I do not consider housekeeping chores
connected with a newsgroup to be off-topic. That is the only exception.
> So... I believe that the TROLL is not so peripheral
> as Curtis (and other newsreader users) may regard him.
> It's not just his grossly overdone volume of off-topic
> posts (which still vastly outnumber the total quantity
> of replies he gets from ALL other posters); IMHO he's
> also the priy reason that recumbent riders opt to
> post at BROL rather than here. And that lack of real,
> interesting, on-topic messages impacts even the guys
> like Curtis who visit us by newsreader.
Others are free to post on-topic to their heart's content and I will seldom
if ever interfere. You really have to say something incredibly stupid before
I will jump in.
But Wayne has had much to do lately with this group going to Hell. He posts
verse to this group. Why - you might well ask? Anyone else here into verse?
Of course not! Posting verse to a newsgroup that is not into verse is a form
of spamming. Furthermore, Wayne would not know a troll if one jumped up and
bit him in the ass.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 19:16:41
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
There will always be some off-topic banter and there is nothing wrong with
that. It can even be interesting when the discussion is heated if the
participants have respect for each other. But when someone resorts to name
calling, and other forms of offensiveness, it drags the group down. If I
stumbled into a good off-topic discussion that was interesting to read, I
don't think I'd care that it was off topic.
In a climate where there is basic respect among the people participating, a
wide variety of both on and off topic threads would make the group more
interesting.
If we were all sitting in a room talking, and someone came in and started
screaming, and there was no way to get rid of him or make him stop, we would
have to do what we are all talking about doing now. We would have to go
somewhere else where the screamer could be excluded.
All of us are interested in recumbents and we are interested in other
things. Our variety of interests can make a group where we all participate
both lively and interesting. It could be that a public place is not the
place where that can happen, however.
Our Troll is clearly determined to cause trouble. All protestations to the
contrary aside, that is the effect of the name calling, abusiveness, and
cross posting. I can say that "I am hitting you for your own good" but that
lie has long been recognized as a lie. Even if our troll is sincere in his
intentions, it is his effect that must ultimately be graded.
I have defended his right to be here in the past because this is a public
space but if there were an alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.moderated, I would
never see this group again and I wouldn't miss the troll.
So I support the moderated group and I'd be happy to help if help is needed.
Thanks,
Jeff
"32GO" <wayne@32go.us > wrote in message
news:1168972461.176752.114790@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Curtis wrote:
>
>> the real problem is only peripherally ED...
>
> It's very pleasant to see reasonable discussion here.
> I understand what Curtis is saying, and respect his
> perspective, even though I'm not in total agreement.
> As I reread my post, which was already way too long,
> I sort of flinched when I noticed that my comments
> were based on a web-centric interface to ARBR and
> largely ignored folks who do use newsreaders.
>
> Curtis's input comes from the other extreme, of course,
> and his suggestions may be a valid approach for some
> (would-be?) participants here. However, given the extent
> to which Usenet has been integrated into the much more
> popular world of http, I think it's pretty likely that
> a sizable segment of folks today who read and post to
> Usenet groups have never fired up and set up a real
> newsreader interface.
>
> For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
> unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
> and archive that does the filtering for you. The great
> offense of our resident TROLL, I think, is the hostility
> he has shown to on-topic posters. Most folks who post
> here are interested in the replies to their messages,
> and he has alienated way too many posters, along with
> other potential participants who don't wish to be cursed
> or ridiculed simply because they'd like to ask a question
> or tell some other people who might care about a neat
> recumbent experience.
>
> So... I believe that the TROLL is not so peripheral
> as Curtis (and other newsreader users) may regard him.
> It's not just his grossly overdone volume of off-topic
> posts (which still vastly outnumber the total quantity
> of replies he gets from ALL other posters); IMHO he's
> also the priy reason that recumbent riders opt to
> post at BROL rather than here. And that lack of real,
> interesting, on-topic messages impacts even the guys
> like Curtis who visit us by newsreader.
>
> Regards,
> Wayne
>
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 04:31:14
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message
news:12qqqn94u5v619@news.supernews.com...
> There will always be some off-topic banter and there is nothing wrong with
> that. It can even be interesting when the discussion is heated if the
> participants have respect for each other. But when someone resorts to name
> calling, and other forms of offensiveness, it drags the group down. If I
> stumbled into a good off-topic discussion that was interesting to read, I
> don't think I'd care that it was off topic.
>
> In a climate where there is basic respect among the people participating,
> a wide variety of both on and off topic threads would make the group more
> interesting.
>
> If we were all sitting in a room talking, and someone came in and started
> screaming, and there was no way to get rid of him or make him stop, we
> would have to do what we are all talking about doing now. We would have to
> go somewhere else where the screamer could be excluded.
>
> All of us are interested in recumbents and we are interested in other
> things. Our variety of interests can make a group where we all participate
> both lively and interesting. It could be that a public place is not the
> place where that can happen, however.
>
> Our Troll is clearly determined to cause trouble. All protestations to the
> contrary aside, that is the effect of the name calling, abusiveness, and
> cross posting. I can say that "I am hitting you for your own good" but
> that lie has long been recognized as a lie. Even if our troll is sincere
> in his intentions, it is his effect that must ultimately be graded.
The Great Ed Dolan is resented by lesser mortals for his high intelligence
and his fine writing. But be a SPAMMING TROLL like Ed Gin and you will get a
free ride here. You will also get a free ride if you are nothing but a
pathetic stalker like Jim McNaa and a verse writer about shit and piss
and ass and fuck like Wayne Leggett. The group even cuts a cherchez la femme
fornicator like Jeff Grippe way too much slack as far as Saint Edward the
Great is concerned.
> I have defended his right to be here in the past because this is a public
> space but if there were an alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.moderated, I would
> never see this group again and I wouldn't miss the troll.
>
> So I support the moderated group and I'd be happy to help if help is
> needed.
I have already offered my services as the chief moderator for the new group.
I will never allow Jeff Grippe to post his salacious messages about the
attractiveness of strange women not his wife to the group. That I vow!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 07:08:20
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
There was nothing in my message about women or sex but you bring it up
again. Which one of us is fixated on this? If ARBRM gets formed, I won't
miss you Ed. I still, as always, wish you well but I'd be happy to never
have you darken my doors again.
Jeff
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:j_adnVy7iolmZzDYnZ2dnUVZ_uGjnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message
> news:12qqqn94u5v619@news.supernews.com...
>> There will always be some off-topic banter and there is nothing wrong
>> with that. It can even be interesting when the discussion is heated if
>> the participants have respect for each other. But when someone resorts to
>> name calling, and other forms of offensiveness, it drags the group down.
>> If I stumbled into a good off-topic discussion that was interesting to
>> read, I don't think I'd care that it was off topic.
>>
>> In a climate where there is basic respect among the people participating,
>> a wide variety of both on and off topic threads would make the group more
>> interesting.
>>
>> If we were all sitting in a room talking, and someone came in and started
>> screaming, and there was no way to get rid of him or make him stop, we
>> would have to do what we are all talking about doing now. We would have
>> to go somewhere else where the screamer could be excluded.
>>
>> All of us are interested in recumbents and we are interested in other
>> things. Our variety of interests can make a group where we all
>> participate both lively and interesting. It could be that a public place
>> is not the place where that can happen, however.
>>
>> Our Troll is clearly determined to cause trouble. All protestations to
>> the contrary aside, that is the effect of the name calling, abusiveness,
>> and cross posting. I can say that "I am hitting you for your own good"
>> but that lie has long been recognized as a lie. Even if our troll is
>> sincere in his intentions, it is his effect that must ultimately be
>> graded.
>
> The Great Ed Dolan is resented by lesser mortals for his high intelligence
> and his fine writing. But be a SPAMMING TROLL like Ed Gin and you will get
> a free ride here. You will also get a free ride if you are nothing but a
> pathetic stalker like Jim McNaa and a verse writer about shit and piss
> and ass and fuck like Wayne Leggett. The group even cuts a cherchez la
> femme fornicator like Jeff Grippe way too much slack as far as Saint
> Edward the Great is concerned.
>
>> I have defended his right to be here in the past because this is a public
>> space but if there were an alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.moderated, I would
>> never see this group again and I wouldn't miss the troll.
>>
>> So I support the moderated group and I'd be happy to help if help is
>> needed.
>
> I have already offered my services as the chief moderator for the new
> group. I will never allow Jeff Grippe to post his salacious messages about
> the attractiveness of strange women not his wife to the group. That I vow!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 06:29:10
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message
news:12qs4dcgmb0t3b7@news.supernews.com...
ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
> There was nothing in my message about women or sex but you bring it up
> again. Which one of us is fixated on this? If ARBRM gets formed, I won't
> miss you Ed. I still, as always, wish you well but I'd be happy to never
> have you darken my doors again.
The truth is that I am an acquired taste. No one likes me at first, but when
you get to really know me, then you get to really hate me.
Your past posts will follow you around for all eternity. Look what I have to
put up with on a daily basis from my past posts. Consider yourself lucky
that I don't go on and on about your cherchez la femme crap!
The real problem as I see it from posters like Jeff is that he would prefer
the group be more friendly and altogether more chat oriented. But I am not
here for that. I am here for contention only.
I would not like to be so nasty all the time, but the rest of you do not
know how to take contention without getting nasty yourselves. And so it
becomes a question of who can be the nastiest. Since I am older than most of
the rest of you, it stands to figure that I have more nastiness stored up
then you do. Get nasty with Ed Dolan the Great - and you will lose. I have
bile to spare, in fact, more than I know what to do with.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 09:42:23
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
> The truth is that I am an acquired taste. No one likes me at first, but
> when you get to really know me, then you get to really hate me.
This is not something to be proud of Ed. I hesitate to write this since
there is nothing new in what I am saying. You and I both make our choices
and have to live with them.
> Your past posts will follow you around for all eternity. Look what I have
> to put up with on a daily basis from my past posts. Consider yourself
> lucky that I don't go on and on about your cherchez la femme crap!
>
I think you have me confused with NYCXYZ. I didn't write much about women
and sex. I certainly didn't dwell on the subject. It just isn't something I
write that much about.
> The real problem as I see it from posters like Jeff is that he would
> prefer the group be more friendly and altogether more chat oriented. But I
> am not here for that. I am here for contention only.
>
But nobody else is here for that reason. There must be groups where you can
be contentious as much as you want and you would be in your element. Leave
the cyclists alone. Your being a cyclist doesn't entitle you to be
contentious with this group. If the group is unmoderated, we can't force you
to leave, however. We can ask that you stop but what you do is up to you.
Once again, I'm not saying anything new.
> I would not like to be so nasty all the time,
This is a flat out lie. You are doing what you want to do. If you did not
want to do this then you would stop. It is not as if you are suffering from
an addiction. If by some chance you are suffering from an addiction then
please get help.
> but the rest of you do not know how to take contention without getting
> nasty yourselves.
Most of us know how to disagree without being nasty. It is almost always you
who resorts to insults and name calling.
> And so it becomes a question of who can be the nastiest. Since I am older
> than most of the rest of you, it stands to figure that I have more
> nastiness stored up then you do. Get nasty with Ed Dolan the Great - and
> you will lose. I have bile to spare, in fact, more than I know what to do
> with.
>
That's fine. Take your bile to a group that would appreciate it and leave
the cyclists alone. If you are the only one left in an unmoderated group,
then what? If you are just going to end up talking to yourself then do it
now and leave us alone.
Open up a word document and type endless volumes about your greatness.
So I've said nothing new here but you are the one who always plugs the
benefit of repetition.
Please Ed, be civil or leave us alone. Otherwise, we will leave you alone
and the end result will be the same.
Jeff
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 16:22:44
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
"Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message
news:12qsdks2p0fn705@news.supernews.com...
>> The truth is that I am an acquired taste. No one likes me at first, but
>> when you get to really know me, then you get to really hate me.
>
> This is not something to be proud of Ed. I hesitate to write this since
> there is nothing new in what I am saying. You and I both make our choices
> and have to live with them.
>
>> Your past posts will follow you around for all eternity. Look what I have
>> to put up with on a daily basis from my past posts. Consider yourself
>> lucky that I don't go on and on about your cherchez la femme crap!
>>
>
> I think you have me confused with NYCXYZ. I didn't write much about women
> and sex. I certainly didn't dwell on the subject. It just isn't something
> I write that much about.
I think I may be confusing you with one the greatest idiots I have ever had
the misfortune to encounter on any newsgroup, a jerk by the name of Gary G.
In any event, I am not going to bother you any more about this subject.
Saint Edward the Great has been mollified.
NYC is still a young whipper-snapper and has much to learn about women and
sex. He is just not in our league.
>> The real problem as I see it from posters like Jeff is that he would
>> prefer the group be more friendly and altogether more chat oriented. But
>> I am not here for that. I am here for contention only.
>>
>
> But nobody else is here for that reason. There must be groups where you
> can be contentious as much as you want and you would be in your element.
> Leave the cyclists alone. Your being a cyclist doesn't entitle you to be
> contentious with this group. If the group is unmoderated, we can't force
> you to leave, however. We can ask that you stop but what you do is up to
> you. Once again, I'm not saying anything new.
I will try to stay off of on-topic discussions, but I will be here for you
and others who think you can come on this group and just say any old stupid
thing you want. I am also the expert on housekeeping chores. That springs
from my former life as a college librarian.
>> I would not like to be so nasty all the time,
>
> This is a flat out lie. You are doing what you want to do. If you did not
> want to do this then you would stop. It is not as if you are suffering
> from an addiction. If by some chance you are suffering from an addiction
> then please get help.
Others are always nasty to me first. But the trick is to be nasty best and
last. I am very successful at that.
>> but the rest of you do not know how to take contention without getting
>> nasty yourselves.
>
> Most of us know how to disagree without being nasty. It is almost always
> you who resorts to insults and name calling.
You have got that backwards.
>> And so it becomes a question of who can be the nastiest. Since I am
>> older than most of the rest of you, it stands to figure that I have more
>> nastiness stored up then you do. Get nasty with Ed Dolan the Great - and
>> you will lose. I have bile to spare, in fact, more than I know what to do
>> with.
>>
>
> That's fine. Take your bile to a group that would appreciate it and leave
> the cyclists alone. If you are the only one left in an unmoderated group,
> then what? If you are just going to end up talking to yourself then do it
> now and leave us alone.
Jeff would like things to be more friendly, but that is not what newsgroups
are about. Nor are they just about sharing information. Contention is of the
essence. Does not Jeff know that conflict rules the world?
> Open up a word document and type endless volumes about your greatness.
>
> So I've said nothing new here but you are the one who always plugs the
> benefit of repetition.
>
> Please Ed, be civil or leave us alone. Otherwise, we will leave you alone
> and the end result will be the same.
I will try to stay off of on-topic discussions, but I will be here for you
and others who think you can come on this group and just say any old stupid
thing you want. I am also the expert on housekeeping chores. That springs
from my former life as a college librarian.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 15:07:56
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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Jeff Grippe wrote:
> But nobody else is here for that reason. There must be groups where you can
> be contentious as much as you want and you would be in your element. Leave
> the cyclists alone.
But he couldn't wind people up so much that way, which appears to be his
purpose, along with wasting time which he seems to have in
superabundance. If you don't want to be wound up and have your time
wasted, put him in the Bozo Bin. There's no point trying to reason with
him, because he's not interested in being reasonable. There's no point
trying to deal with by your rules, he's playing with a different set,
which involves ignoring yours. You know this. Stop assuming that one
more appeal to reason will work, it won't.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 16:25:34
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
"Peter Clinch" <p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk > wrote in message
news:516sedF1ir9kbU1@mid.individual.net...
> Jeff Grippe wrote:
>
>> But nobody else is here for that reason. There must be groups where you
>> can be contentious as much as you want and you would be in your element.
>> Leave the cyclists alone.
>
> But he couldn't wind people up so much that way, which appears to be his
> purpose, along with wasting time which he seems to have in superabundance.
> If you don't want to be wound up and have your time wasted, put him in the
> Bozo Bin. There's no point trying to reason with him, because he's not
> interested in being reasonable. There's no point trying to deal with by
> your rules, he's playing with a different set, which involves ignoring
> yours. You know this. Stop assuming that one more appeal to reason
> will work, it won't.
>
> Pete.
>
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
All of the above said by a nut who has the most stupid signature in all of
Usenet. Now the rest of you see what I am up against.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 14:05:20
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
On 16 Jan 2007 10:34:21 -0800, "32GO" <wayne@32go.us > wrote:
>For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
>unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
>and archive that does the filtering for you.
True, for a variety of reasons (partly because I've come from way
back, the days of 1200 bps modems, Pine and Compuserve and worked my
way forward) I prefer readers to web-based clients. Other than moving
to a service that offers killfile capabilities, that is a problem. I
assume that you get the web-based clients pretty much for free and
don't have to pay for a newsgroup server either.
So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
rid of ED on RBR...
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 03:57:48
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org > wrote in message
news:a08qq2591jmaekiubsv6g2lbvlu9qicl9e@4ax.com...
> On 16 Jan 2007 10:34:21 -0800, "32GO" <wayne@32go.us> wrote:
>
>>For those guys, there's no simple way to avoid the TROLL,
>>unless it is, as I mentioned, to find a web-based portal
>>and archive that does the filtering for you.
>
> True, for a variety of reasons (partly because I've come from way
> back, the days of 1200 bps modems, Pine and Compuserve and worked my
> way forward) I prefer readers to web-based clients. Other than moving
> to a service that offers killfile capabilities, that is a problem. I
> assume that you get the web-based clients pretty much for free and
> don't have to pay for a newsgroup server either.
>
> So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
> rid of ED on RBR...
Hells Bells, it is worth that much just to GET the Great Ed Dolan. In fact,
I believe at least $20. a month would be about the right payment for my
services.
Where does this RBR come from? It is ARBR. Try to get up to speed why don't
you?
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 14:58:22
From: Ken C. M.
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
> rid of ED on RBR...
Well if a user only subscribes to 1 or 2 newsgroups, then in my opinion
it's probably not worth paying for a newserver, but if you read more
than a few it may be worth it. Most groups have their version of ED, an
investing one I read has an AERO that could very well be a cousin of ED.
As I stated before filters are your friend.
Ken
--
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 16:18:00
From: gotbent
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
"Ken C. M." <ken@up-yours-spammer.net > wrote in message
news:Q_OdncZFO_b-szDYnZ2dnUVZ_sWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Curtis L. Russell wrote:
>
>> So the question may be is it worth $ 9.95 a month and Free Agent to be
>> rid of ED on RBR...
>
> Well if a user only subscribes to 1 or 2 newsgroups, then in my opinion
> it's probably not worth paying for a newserver, but if you read more than
> a few it may be worth it. Most groups have their version of ED, an
> investing one I read has an AERO that could very well be a cousin of ED.
> As I stated before filters are your friend.
>
> Ken
> --
There is an essentially free newserver at www.teranews. It costs a one time
$3.95 fee for 50Mb daily downloads. So far it seems to be quite reliable for
the two weeks that I have been using it.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 10:26:22
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
Curtis L. Russell wrote:
> On 16 Jan 2007 09:30:42 -0800, "32GO" <wayne@32go.us> wrote:
>
> >Most sincere posters will not return after
> >they've been sniped or callously harangued here. The
> >more of them who stop posting, leaving a (seriously
> >psychotic?) idiot who's bullheadedly made it his own
> >selfish goal to run up his message count with no regard
> >whatever for pertinence, courtesy, or even the way he's
> >regarded by the readers, the more horrible the signal-
> >to-noise ratio becomes for the group. Seeing that,
> >fewer folks are likely to think that another look is
> >worth their time, or at least not nearly as often.
>
> I stick my head in here once in a long while and the real problem is
> only peripherally ED. Afterall, it takes three clicks on any one of
> the news readers I have available to make him disappear. The core of
> the problem is that for a very long time there are no real posts about
> recumbents. There is very little about bicycling at all. The people
> that complain the loudest are the ones that wash away any chance that
> the newsgroup can have a healthy life once you carve away the rotten
> portions created by ED and his ilk.
>
> Unfortunately, what I see quoted of ED by others is correct - once you
> carve him away, there is no healthy portion left. You can pretty much
> read ED or read about him or read responses to him. Those that
> remained in this group have made ED into a miniature Jabba the Hutt.
>
> (An aside: this isn't aimed at anyone specifically here and now - this
> has been happening from about three months after ED showed up here.)
>
> All you have to do to take back this group is to ignore ED - click on
> his name and say 'ignore' or 'killfile', then click any thread that is
> about him and say 'k thread read' and start talking about
> recumbents again. If he wants to rant and rave, put him a padded room
> with silence. If a newbie shows up and responds to him, send an email
> off-line to the newbie - don't even add one response to the thread.
>
> Not that I have anything special to say or think everyone should hike
> up the recumbent relevant noise ratio just to drown out ED, but I'd be
> glad to hang around to contribute to a healthier RBR. You just won't
> see me respond to ED or anyone on an ED-centric thread.
Curtis,
Makes perfectly good sense to me. With what Wayne said and what you
added, I feel that most the bases were covered ... and well too. I
think your advise is sound and I have given like advice myself at
times. I feel that I have somewhat contributed to the problem by
taking Ed on. It is rather a waste of time and only serves to give him
the attention he craves and encourages his bad behavior. I should be
calling it quits with him soon. I too would like to see this group
return to a semblance of normality ... call it decorum in the forum.
Like you observed though, more recumbent content is required for the
forum to live up to its original design intent. Who knows, perhaps some
of those who vacated to BROL might even pay a return visit when the
word gets out.
Jim
> Curtis L. Russell
> Who posted here long before ED found RBR
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 03:32:58
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1168971982.235798.97260@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> Makes perfectly good sense to me. With what Wayne said and what you
> added, I feel that most the bases were covered ... and well too. I
> think your advise is sound and I have given like advice myself at
> times. I feel that I have somewhat contributed to the problem by
> taking Ed on. It is rather a waste of time and only serves to give him
> the attention he craves and encourages his bad behavior. I should be
> calling it quits with him soon. I too would like to see this group
> return to a semblance of normality ... call it decorum in the forum.
> Like you observed though, more recumbent content is required for the
> forum to live up to its original design intent. Who knows, perhaps some
> of those who vacated to BROL might even pay a return visit when the
> word gets out.
Jim likes to pretend that he can be just one of the guys again after being
one of the most obnoxious stalkers ever to infect ARBR. Sorry, but he has
lost any credibility he ever had. Well, that is what happens to you when you
tangle with the Great Ed Dolan. I remain as pure as the driven snow, but
that can never be said about anyone else on ARBR.
We do not want anyone who fled to BROL to ever come back here. They have
already proven themselves to be cowards once, or is not once enough! The
very thought of seeing old Cletus Lee on ARBR is enough to send me into
orbit. Such a dullard there never was in the entire history of the universe.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 10:04:20
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
32GO wrote:
> Hey guys -
>
> Ken wrote:
>
> > I am not even sure why I still bother with this NG.
>
> I apologize to Buck, the original poster, for posting
> this to the group rather than replying via off-group
> email as requested, but I thought what I have to say on
> the topic might be of interest to other folks as well.
>
> I think most of us who still harbor some hope for ARBR
> do so because we understand the potential value of an
> OPEN internet forum. As long as one remains reasonably
> functional and uncluttered - and oddly enough, some do -
> it can be one of the most interesting and FUN venues for
> enthusiasts to exchange info and amuse each other.
>
> As I have said before, BROL has done a great job for
> several years, and has quite clearly become THE dominant
> platform for recumbent discussion. I read it almost
> everyday, and I use it for most of my posts now, along
> with the IHPVA Trikes list. I sincerely hope and expect
> that BROL's messageboard will be with us for years to
> come.
>
> But, honestly, there are no guarantees for how long BROL
> will last, whether it will remain free to post and/or
> read, or even whether its moderator(s) will maintain
> the impressively light, even-handed touch they've shown
> to date. There are numerous other groups, mail lists,
> forums and such already in place for 'bent folks, with
> scopes ranging from a single bike or manufacturer to
> wide open. Since they're sorta hard to find, typically,
> most of these are pretty obscure and have minimal
> participation. What would be the point of yet another?
>
> The advantages of ARBR have historically been that:
>
> l. It's part of Usenet and fairly easy to find for a
> newby who knows nothing whatever about what resources
> exist on the net for recumbent cycling;
>
> 2. Being part of Usenet, it requires no special effort
> from anyone to keep it up and running; and
>
> 3. It is OPEN, with absolutely minimal restrictions,
> so it essentially provides a platform for anyone to
> say his piece and be sure that someone will read it
> without censorship.
>
> That last bit is, of course, the potentially fatal flaw
> for ARBR! Most sincere posters will not return after
> they've been sniped or callously harangued here. The
> more of them who stop posting, leaving a (seriously
> psychotic?) idiot who's bullheadedly made it his own
> selfish goal to run up his message count with no regard
> whatever for pertinence, courtesy, or even the way he's
> regarded by the readers, the more horrible the signal-
> to-noise ratio becomes for the group. Seeing that,
> fewer folks are likely to think that another look is
> worth their time, or at least not nearly as often.
>
> At this point, and (FINALLY!) getting to a straight
> answer to Buck's proposal, I would be very amenable to
> any suggestion for a moderated Usenet group to discuss
> recumbents, and will even help anyone who's willing to
> 'bell the cat' (set up the approvals and do all the
> day-to-work of screening and maintenance once the new
> group is in operation).
>
> A partial solution to our problem might be a concerted
> effort to persuade most of the folks who have a hard
> time dealing with the unpleasantness of a hyperactive
> TROLL on a completely open forum to use one of the more
> 'controlled' doorways to the Usenet group - e.g.,
> Cycling Forums. They now filter out our most annoying
> and prolific off-topic poster, but even there a reader
> will pick up some of the broad spectrum SPAM that
> Google Groups filters from their top page and archives.
> If this idea resonates with a lot of folks interested
> in ARBR, it would be fairly simple to post a weekly
> reminder which would be broadcast to the whole wide
> span of ARBR on Usenet.
>
> Do I have any enthusiasm or interest for yet another
> new private or Google-style newsgroup or mail list?
> Not unless I could be convinced that it could address
> the challenges of becoming known, attracting solid
> participation, and giving the 'bent community some
> confidence that it will have long-term 'legs', once
> its originator really sees how much work is involved.
>
> Regards,
> Wayne
Very nicely said, but no doubt Dolan will kvetch for it not bing in the
form of verse. I too should have apologized for responding publicly,
but like you felt this was a public issue. I'm not sure it the
original poster realize how much work would be entailed but certainly
understand where he's coming from . two recent posters sai it all when
a brief visit sent then packing the reason being that forum has little
to do with recumbents. Eventually the spamer(s) will give it up. Then,
if HEAD Dolan the GRATE were to depart, things would improve
considerably. Wouldn't it be nice if he took his tiresome,
repetitious, recycled rhetoric elsewhere. Here's a suggestion for
Dolan. Ed, could start his own group and call it ...
Dolan.fatuous.recycled.opinions. He could cross-post invitations
throughout cyber-space and see just how few (if any) become members.
That would serve nicely as a barometer of his worthlessness ...just a
thought. - Jim
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 03:06:39
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1168970658.318644.78770@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com...
[...]
> Very nicely said, but no doubt Dolan will kvetch for it not bing in the
> form of verse.
Wayne only writes in verse when it is about shit and piss and ass and fuck.
I too should have apologized for responding publicly,
> but like you felt this was a public issue. I'm not sure it the
> original poster realize how much work would be entailed but certainly
> understand where he's coming from . two recent posters sai it all when
> a brief visit sent then packing the reason being that forum has little
> to do with recumbents. Eventually the spamer(s) will give it up.
Nope it will never happen. 99% of ARBR'ers have ever proven themselves to be
cowards. Spammers just love cowards. Jim, to his credit, at least fought
back, but he is cursed with being a pathetic stalker, which is almost as bad
as being a SPAMMING TROLL.
Then,
> if HEAD Dolan the GRATE were to depart, things would improve
> considerably. Wouldn't it be nice if he took his tiresome,
> repetitious, recycled rhetoric elsewhere. Here's a suggestion for
> Dolan. Ed, could start his own group and call it ...
> Dolan.fatuous.recycled.opinions. He could cross-post invitations
> throughout cyber-space and see just how few (if any) become members.
> That would serve nicely as a barometer of his worthlessness ...just a
> thought. - Jim
ARBR was destroyed by Ed Gin, the SPAMMING TROLL. Jim McNaa and Wayne
Leggett did not help things along either by being nothing but pathetic
stalkers.
Ed Dolan the Great tired to save the group from itself, but the group was
too feckless to follow HIS lead.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 21:57:32
From: Buck
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
On 01/16/2007 18:04:20 "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I'm not sure it the original
> poster realize how much work would be entailed but certainly understand
> where he's coming from .
I used to own an ISP.
--
Buck
Give a little person a little power and create a big problem.
http://www.catrike.co.uk
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 03:10:05
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
"Buck" <ian@ATtrikesandstuffDOT.coDOT.uk > wrote in message
news:1162158.MWLYRJNC@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>
>
> On 01/16/2007 18:04:20 "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I'm not sure it the original
>> poster realize how much work would be entailed but certainly understand
>> where he's coming from .
>
> I used to own an ISP.
It is not possible that someone as stupid as Buck could ever have owned an
ISP. Hells Bells, does he even own a brain?
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 09:43:54
From: Buck
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
On 01/17/2007 09:10:05 "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
> "Buck" <ian@ATtrikesandstuffDOT.coDOT.uk> wrote in message
> news:1162158.MWLYRJNC@news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> On 01/16/2007 18:04:20 "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I'm not sure it the original poster realize how much work would be
>>> entailed but certainly understand where he's coming from .
>> I used to own an ISP.
> It is not possible that someone as stupid as Buck could ever have owned an
> ISP. Hells Bells, does he even own a brain?
> Regards,
> Ed Dolan
There you go folks. Time to move on.
--
Buck
Give a little person a little power and create a big problem.
http://www.catrike.co.uk
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 09:30:42
From: 32GO
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
Hey guys -
Ken wrote:
> I am not even sure why I still bother with this NG.
I apologize to Buck, the original poster, for posting
this to the group rather than replying via off-group
email as requested, but I thought what I have to say on
the topic might be of interest to other folks as well.
I think most of us who still harbor some hope for ARBR
do so because we understand the potential value of an
OPEN internet forum. As long as one remains reasonably
functional and uncluttered - and oddly enough, some do -
it can be one of the most interesting and FUN venues for
enthusiasts to exchange info and amuse each other.
As I have said before, BROL has done a great job for
several years, and has quite clearly become THE dominant
platform for recumbent discussion. I read it almost
everyday, and I use it for most of my posts now, along
with the IHPVA Trikes list. I sincerely hope and expect
that BROL's messageboard will be with us for years to
come.
But, honestly, there are no guarantees for how long BROL
will last, whether it will remain free to post and/or
read, or even whether its moderator(s) will maintain
the impressively light, even-handed touch they've shown
to date. There are numerous other groups, mail lists,
forums and such already in place for 'bent folks, with
scopes ranging from a single bike or manufacturer to
wide open. Since they're sorta hard to find, typically,
most of these are pretty obscure and have minimal
participation. What would be the point of yet another?
The advantages of ARBR have historically been that:
l. It's part of Usenet and fairly easy to find for a
newby who knows nothing whatever about what resources
exist on the net for recumbent cycling;
2. Being part of Usenet, it requires no special effort
from anyone to keep it up and running; and
3. It is OPEN, with absolutely minimal restrictions,
so it essentially provides a platform for anyone to
say his piece and be sure that someone will read it
without censorship.
That last bit is, of course, the potentially fatal flaw
for ARBR! Most sincere posters will not return after
they've been sniped or callously harangued here. The
more of them who stop posting, leaving a (seriously
psychotic?) idiot who's bullheadedly made it his own
selfish goal to run up his message count with no regard
whatever for pertinence, courtesy, or even the way he's
regarded by the readers, the more horrible the signal-
to-noise ratio becomes for the group. Seeing that,
fewer folks are likely to think that another look is
worth their time, or at least not nearly as often.
At this point, and (FINALLY!) getting to a straight
answer to Buck's proposal, I would be very amenable to
any suggestion for a moderated Usenet group to discuss
recumbents, and will even help anyone who's willing to
'bell the cat' (set up the approvals and do all the
day-to-work of screening and maintenance once the new
group is in operation).
A partial solution to our problem might be a concerted
effort to persuade most of the folks who have a hard
time dealing with the unpleasantness of a hyperactive
TROLL on a completely open forum to use one of the more
'controlled' doorways to the Usenet group - e.g.,
Cycling Forums. They now filter out our most annoying
and prolific off-topic poster, but even there a reader
will pick up some of the broad spectrum SPAM that
Google Groups filters from their top page and archives.
If this idea resonates with a lot of folks interested
in ARBR, it would be fairly simple to post a weekly
reminder which would be broadcast to the whole wide
span of ARBR on Usenet.
Do I have any enthusiasm or interest for yet another
new private or Google-style newsgroup or mail list?
Not unless I could be convinced that it could address
the challenges of becoming known, attracting solid
participation, and giving the 'bent community some
confidence that it will have long-term 'legs', once
its originator really sees how much work is involved.
Regards,
Wayne
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 02:51:58
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
|
"32GO" <wayne@32go.us > wrote in message
news:1168968639.762406.132910@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hey guys -
>
> Ken wrote:
>
>> I am not even sure why I still bother with this NG.
>
> I apologize to Buck, the original poster, for posting
> this to the group rather than replying via off-group
> email as requested, but I thought what I have to say on
> the topic might be of interest to other folks as well.
>
> I think most of us who still harbor some hope for ARBR
> do so because we understand the potential value of an
> OPEN internet forum. As long as one remains reasonably
> functional and uncluttered - and oddly enough, some do -
> it can be one of the most interesting and FUN venues for
> enthusiasts to exchange info and amuse each other.
>
> As I have said before, BROL has done a great job for
> several years, and has quite clearly become THE dominant
> platform for recumbent discussion. I read it almost
> everyday, and I use it for most of my posts now, along
> with the IHPVA Trikes list. I sincerely hope and expect
> that BROL's messageboard will be with us for years to
> come.
>
> But, honestly, there are no guarantees for how long BROL
> will last, whether it will remain free to post and/or
> read, or even whether its moderator(s) will maintain
> the impressively light, even-handed touch they've shown
> to date. There are numerous other groups, mail lists,
> forums and such already in place for 'bent folks, with
> scopes ranging from a single bike or manufacturer to
> wide open. Since they're sorta hard to find, typically,
> most of these are pretty obscure and have minimal
> participation. What would be the point of yet another?
>
> The advantages of ARBR have historically been that:
>
> l. It's part of Usenet and fairly easy to find for a
> newby who knows nothing whatever about what resources
> exist on the net for recumbent cycling;
>
> 2. Being part of Usenet, it requires no special effort
> from anyone to keep it up and running; and
>
> 3. It is OPEN, with absolutely minimal restrictions,
> so it essentially provides a platform for anyone to
> say his piece and be sure that someone will read it
> without censorship.
>
> That last bit is, of course, the potentially fatal flaw
> for ARBR! Most sincere posters will not return after
> they've been sniped or callously harangued here. The
> more of them who stop posting, leaving a (seriously
> psychotic?) idiot who's bullheadedly made it his own
> selfish goal to run up his message count with no regard
> whatever for pertinence, courtesy, or even the way he's
> regarded by the readers, the more horrible the signal-
> to-noise ratio becomes for the group. Seeing that,
> fewer folks are likely to think that another look is
> worth their time, or at least not nearly as often.
This newsgrouop has been dragged through the mud by a failed poet and a
failed recumbent trike shop owner located in Ventura, California by the name
of Wayne Leggett who writes about areas of the groin, i.e., about shit and
piss and ass and fuck, all in verse no less.
> At this point, and (FINALLY!) getting to a straight
> answer to Buck's proposal, I would be very amenable to
> any suggestion for a moderated Usenet group to discuss
> recumbents, and will even help anyone who's willing to
> 'bell the cat' (set up the approvals and do all the
> day-to-work of screening and maintenance once the new
> group is in operation).
Wayne just wants to push his damnable recumbent trikes, which as we all know
are overpriced and not worth thousands of dollars.
Whatever you do, do not allow Wayne anywhere near the new group. Before you
know it he will be posting his abominable verse about shit and piss and ass
and fuck. Better that I be your moderator!
> A partial solution to our problem might be a concerted
> effort to persuade most of the folks who have a hard
> time dealing with the unpleasantness of a hyperactive
> TROLL on a completely open forum to use one of the more
> 'controlled' doorways to the Usenet group - e.g.,
> Cycling Forums. They now filter out our most annoying
> and prolific off-topic poster, but even there a reader
> will pick up some of the broad spectrum SPAM that
> Google Groups filters from their top page and archives.
> If this idea resonates with a lot of folks interested
> in ARBR, it would be fairly simple to post a weekly
> reminder which would be broadcast to the whole wide
> span of ARBR on Usenet.
>
> Do I have any enthusiasm or interest for yet another
> new private or Google-style newsgroup or mail list?
> Not unless I could be convinced that it could address
> the challenges of becoming known, attracting solid
> participation, and giving the 'bent community some
> confidence that it will have long-term 'legs', once
> its originator really sees how much work is involved.
The fact is that there are not very many folks in this world who are
interested in recumbents, especially not recumbent trikes. Poor Wayne is
desperate to move his merchandise. Maybe if he spent more time trying to
please his few customers and less time posting his shit and piss and ass and
fuck to ARBR he would be better off - and so would the rest of us, that is
for sure!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 13:05:11
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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On 16 Jan 2007 09:30:42 -0800, "32GO" <wayne@32go.us > wrote:
>Most sincere posters will not return after
>they've been sniped or callously harangued here. The
>more of them who stop posting, leaving a (seriously
>psychotic?) idiot who's bullheadedly made it his own
>selfish goal to run up his message count with no regard
>whatever for pertinence, courtesy, or even the way he's
>regarded by the readers, the more horrible the signal-
>to-noise ratio becomes for the group. Seeing that,
>fewer folks are likely to think that another look is
>worth their time, or at least not nearly as often.
I stick my head in here once in a long while and the real problem is
only peripherally ED. Afterall, it takes three clicks on any one of
the news readers I have available to make him disappear. The core of
the problem is that for a very long time there are no real posts about
recumbents. There is very little about bicycling at all. The people
that complain the loudest are the ones that wash away any chance that
the newsgroup can have a healthy life once you carve away the rotten
portions created by ED and his ilk.
Unfortunately, what I see quoted of ED by others is correct - once you
carve him away, there is no healthy portion left. You can pretty much
read ED or read about him or read responses to him. Those that
remained in this group have made ED into a miniature Jabba the Hutt.
(An aside: this isn't aimed at anyone specifically here and now - this
has been happening from about three months after ED showed up here.)
All you have to do to take back this group is to ignore ED - click on
his name and say 'ignore' or 'killfile', then click any thread that is
about him and say 'k thread read' and start talking about
recumbents again. If he wants to rant and rave, put him a padded room
with silence. If a newbie shows up and responds to him, send an email
off-line to the newbie - don't even add one response to the thread.
Not that I have anything special to say or think everyone should hike
up the recumbent relevant noise ratio just to drown out ED, but I'd be
glad to hang around to contribute to a healthier RBR. You just won't
see me respond to ED or anyone on an ED-centric thread.
Curtis L. Russell
Who posted here long before ED found RBR
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 03:23:34
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org > wrote in message
news:404qq2lrkgoe0872qrvtr1847fsvb71abt@4ax.com...
> On 16 Jan 2007 09:30:42 -0800, "32GO" <wayne@32go.us> wrote:
>
>>Most sincere posters will not return after
>>they've been sniped or callously harangued here. The
>>more of them who stop posting, leaving a (seriously
>>psychotic?) idiot who's bullheadedly made it his own
>>selfish goal to run up his message count with no regard
>>whatever for pertinence, courtesy, or even the way he's
>>regarded by the readers, the more horrible the signal-
>>to-noise ratio becomes for the group. Seeing that,
>>fewer folks are likely to think that another look is
>>worth their time, or at least not nearly as often.
>
> I stick my head in here once in a long while and the real problem is
> only peripherally ED. Afterall, it takes three clicks on any one of
> the news readers I have available to make him disappear. The core of
> the problem is that for a very long time there are no real posts about
> recumbents. There is very little about bicycling at all. The people
> that complain the loudest are the ones that wash away any chance that
> the newsgroup can have a healthy life once you carve away the rotten
> portions created by ED and his ilk.
Curtis Russell has never done anything either to the group or, more
importantly, FOR the group that I can recall. Yea, just another complete
cipher - like all the rest of you!
> Unfortunately, what I see quoted of ED by others is correct - once you
> carve him away, there is no healthy portion left. You can pretty much
> read ED or read about him or read responses to him. Those that
> remained in this group have made ED into a miniature Jabba the Hutt.
The Great Ed Dolan never interferes with on-topic posts.
> (An aside: this isn't aimed at anyone specifically here and now - this
> has been happening from about three months after ED showed up here.)
I have been here well over 3 years. It took me an entire first year to just
to get rid of all the liberal scum bags that had infected ARBR with their
odious presence.
> All you have to do to take back this group is to ignore ED - click on
> his name and say 'ignore' or 'killfile', then click any thread that is
> about him and say 'k thread read' and start talking about
> recumbents again. If he wants to rant and rave, put him a padded room
> with silence. If a newbie shows up and responds to him, send an email
> off-line to the newbie - don't even add one response to the thread.
It is impossible not to respond to the Great Ed Dolan. It is part of my
charisma, and indeed karma, to have this effect on lesser mortals than
MYSELF!
> Not that I have anything special to say or think everyone should hike
> up the recumbent relevant noise ratio just to drown out ED, but I'd be
> glad to hang around to contribute to a healthier RBR. You just won't
> see me respond to ED or anyone on an ED-centric thread.
>
> Curtis L. Russell
> Who posted here long before ED found RBR
It may be that Curtis was one of the liberal scum bags that I had to get rid
of. Frankly, there were so many that I can no longer remember them all. All
that lingers is the stink of them in my nostrils.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 10:00:12
From: Ken C. M.
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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Buck wrote:
> Can anyone who is genuinely interested in there being a new recumbent newsgroup plese contact me via my website link below and if the response
> is high enough I will go through the motions of setting one up, it will be a moderated group so that the problems of this one are not repeated.
>
I agree with Jim, BROL is my remedy when I need a recumbent fix. I am
not even sure why I still bother with this NG.
Ken
--
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 02:25:36
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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"Ken C. M." <ken@up-yours-spammer.net > wrote in message
news:4-2dnX1zqvTidTHYnZ2dnUVZ_vninZ2d@giganews.com...
> Buck wrote:
>> Can anyone who is genuinely interested in there being a new recumbent
>> newsgroup plese contact me via my website link below and if the response
>> is high enough I will go through the motions of setting one up, it will
>> be a moderated group so that the problems of this one are not repeated.
>>
>
> I agree with Jim, BROL is my remedy when I need a recumbent fix. I am not
> even sure why I still bother with this NG.
>
> Ken
Ken hangs around here to read the Great Ed Dolan, who will also answer to
the appellation of Ed Dolan the Great. The important thing is never to
mistake ME for ordinary slobs like Ken.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 11:59:30
From: Roger Zoul
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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Ken C. M. wrote:
:: Buck wrote:
::: Can anyone who is genuinely interested in there being a new
::: recumbent newsgroup plese contact me via my website link below and
::: if the response is high enough I will go through the motions of
::: setting one up, it will be a moderated group so that the problems
::: of this one are not repeated.
:::
::
:: I agree with Jim, BROL is my remedy when I need a recumbent fix. I am
:: not even sure why I still bother with this NG.
::
I find the browser interface to be somewhat chunky though it does have its
advantages at times.
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 12:07:11
From: Ken C. M.
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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Roger Zoul wrote:
> Ken C. M. wrote:
> :: Buck wrote:
> ::: Can anyone who is genuinely interested in there being a new
> ::: recumbent newsgroup plese contact me via my website link below and
> ::: if the response is high enough I will go through the motions of
> ::: setting one up, it will be a moderated group so that the problems
> ::: of this one are not repeated.
> :::
> ::
> :: I agree with Jim, BROL is my remedy when I need a recumbent fix. I am
> :: not even sure why I still bother with this NG.
> ::
>
> I find the browser interface to be somewhat chunky though it does have its
> advantages at times.
>
>
I guess it depend on the browser and the computer. Well the main
advantage is that it's moderated so there are many more posts that
actually have something to do with recumbent cycling. This NG is very
lucky if it gets an average of two real posts a day over a 7 day period.
Filters work good, I wouldn't even know about the garbage posts if
people didn't reply to them.
Ken
--
The bicycle is just as good company as most husbands and, when it gets
old and shabby, a woman can dispose of it and get a new one without
shocking the entire community. ~Ann Strong
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 16:55:22
From: dlhii
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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"Ken C. M." <ken@up-yours-spammer.net > wrote:
>I guess it depend on the browser and the computer. Well the main
>advantage is that it's moderated so there are many more posts that
>actually have something to do with recumbent cycling. This NG is very
>lucky if it gets an average of two real posts a day over a 7 day period.
>Filters work good, I wouldn't even know about the garbage posts if
>people didn't reply to them.
>
>Ken
Filtering has been my solution, also messes up when someone responds
instead of just kill-filtering.
I stop by to see if an information is around, sometimes there is.
Don
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Date: 16 Jan 2007 06:56:25
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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Buck wrote:
> Can anyone who is genuinely interested in there being a new recumbent newsgroup plese contact me via my website link below and if the response
> is high enough I will go through the motions of setting one up, it will be a moderated group so that the problems of this one are not repeated.
>
> --
>
> Buck
>
> Give a little person a little power and create a big problem.
>
> http://www.catrike.co.uk
Buck, whereas I concur with your sentiment, a moderated recumbent forum
already exists ... BROL.
Jim McNaa
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Date: 17 Jan 2007 02:33:47
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: New recumbent newsgroup
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"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1168959384.222111.207770@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Buck wrote:
>> Can anyone who is genuinely interested in there being a new recumbent
>> newsgroup plese contact me via my website link below and if the response
>> is high enough I will go through the motions of setting one up, it will
>> be a moderated group so that the problems of this one are not repeated.
>
> Buck, whereas I concur with your sentiment, a moderated recumbent forum
> already exists ... BROL.
>
> Jim McNaa
Well, Hells Bells, I have been saying as much myself for over a year now.
God, the rest of you are just so slow!
What is really funny though is how Jim McNaa, aka "The Pathetic Stalker",
pretends that he did not have anything to do with destroying this group.
Like I said before, he is a very funny fellow indeed!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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