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Date: 23 Mar 2007 13:06:33
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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What makes the world go around? You think it is love? Please excuse me while
I roll around on the floor with laughter. What makes the world go around is
unadulterated hatred.
This is being played out currently with the Muslims vs. the West all around
the world. The Muslims are the barbarians of course and we of the West are
the patsies as usual. But the Muslim barbarians are more right than we are
because they know how to hate.
Democracies are very fragile creations and I would never bet on them. Sparta
vs. Athens? I would bet on Sparta. Nazi Germany vs. the Western democracies?
I would bet on Nazi Germany. The Soviet Union vs. the US? I would bet on the
Soviet Union.
The democracies of the West have just been getting by by the skin of their
teeth. It is mainly luck that they have won out in the past. Man has always
been ruled by tyrannical dictatorships. Most will prefer to be subjects
rather than citizens. This is now being played out in Iraq where you can
plainly see that they want to be ruled by a strong man. That is ever the way
it has been down though history.
Unless you are willing to fight and die for democracy, you will lose your
freedom. Most men in all societies have been essentially slaves. Might does
indeed make right. The only thing that can save us is superior technology,
especially superior military technology.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 21 Apr 2007 10:52:21
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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On Apr 21, 8:54 am, JimmyMac aka Jim McNaa wrote:
>
> Will someone please translate Dolan's mother tongue for him. How this
> fool ever held a job as a librarian defies comprehension...
Held for how long?
Remember, Mr. Ed the Grate has spent much of his life living on rental
income on properties he inherited.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 03:30:18
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1177177941.877819.269420@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 21, 8:54 am, JimmyMac aka Jim McNaa wrote:
>>
>> Will someone please translate Dolan's mother tongue for him. How this
>> fool ever held a job as a librarian defies comprehension...
>
> Held for how long?
Long enough to know that it was a dead end. Anyone who works at one job all
of their lives is an idiot! In fact, anyone who works at however many jobs
ALL of their lives is stupid beyond belief.
> Remember, Mr. Ed the Grate has spent much of his life living on rental
> income on properties he inherited.
Don't you wish you could have done the same? The fact that you are unried
and thus not stuck with a wife and kids to support and yet do not seem to be
rolling in money and living the life of Riley strikes me as being very
curious. You must not know how to manage money as I know civil engineers are
paid very well indeed. I suspect Mr. Sherman has secret expensive vices
which accounts for his lack of success in life.
But you are an ant and I am a grasshopper. To each his own, I always say.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 21 Apr 2007 06:54:15
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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On Apr 17, 9:30 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1176828109.956487.185880@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 17, 3:55 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1176482942.367731.171960@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Apr 13, 5:38 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> >> Nope, I take every message on its merits regardless of who has written
> >> >> it.
> >> >> Say something sensible and that is what you will get back. Say
> >> >> something
> >> >> stupid and nasty and that is what you will get back. Every message is
> >> >> sui
> >> >> generis with me. I do not care enough about anyone on this group to
> >> >> hold
> >> >> any
> >> >> personal grudges. How could I since I do not know any of you - nor you
> >> >> me!
>
> >> > Ed Dolan knows us not but continually label us all idiots, morons,
> >> > imbeciles, assholes and jerks. He claims to respect us but
> >> > continually disrespect us. His own words betray his intentions and
> >> > his lack of respect ... "All I ever want to do is to defeat and
> >> > humiliate you."
>
> >> I treat everyone as they deserve to be treated. You will get back exactly
> >> what you give, no more and no less.
>
> > Dolan's explanation is the usual B.S. Ed Dolan asserts that he treats
> > everyone as they deserve to be treated, but by what standard ... Ed's
> > of course. Who else's? Well known to be an equal opportunity
> > offender, Ed Dolan treats all who disagree with him (read MOST) with a
> > complete lack of respect, which is apparently how he feels they
> > deserve to be treated. I thought that Mr. Dolan said that his new
> > policy was to visit ARBR once a week priily on weekends, but he
> > posted on Friday and now again on Tuesday. Will someone please define
> > "weekly" and "weekend" for this geriatric dunderhead?
>
> Well, ROUGHLY once a week, but of course this will vary depending on the
> amount of traffic on ARBR.
If cyber-traffic congestion is your concern, then implementation of an
often suggested abatement program should suffice to resolve this
matter, that is just as soon as you heed the advice of many who have
offered it and take leave of ARBR. You have often threatened to
leave. You talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. If you are a man
of your word, then walk on out of here!
> >> > Anyone who has been here for any length of time knows Ed Dolan for
> >> > what and who he is. If one looks beyond the superfluous, pleonastic
> >> > drivel of the ubiquitous equal opportunity annoyer, one realizes that
> >> > for Ed, the computer and the Internet are merely tools that fill a
> >> > social void. By his own admission, Ed lives detached in reclusive
> >> > solitude, devoid of real-life interpersonal relationships. Forums are
> >> > Ed's cyberspace playpen and serve as ersatz social interaction that
> >> > only momentarily disrupts his otherwise self-sequestered isolation.
> >> > When he has departed, Dolan's monotonous, excursive, scatological
> >> > harangues will be relegated to the status of cyber-coprolite!
>
> >> "I treat everyone as they deserve to be treated. You will get back
> >> exactly
> >> what you give, no more and no less." - Ed Dolan
>
> > Cut and paste repetition ... the best the lazy fool can muster. See
> > my responce above.
>
> >> > When he has departed, ...
>
> >> Once I wasn't, Then I was, Now I ain't again.
>
> >> - Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard
>
> >> And so it will be for Jim McNaa and everyone else who has ever lived
> >> on
> >> this earth. But while I am here, I am having more fun than Jim McNaa -
> >> and so I win and he loses.
>
> > I didn't realize that Ed actually perceived this to be a contest, or
> > thought that fun was the determining factor, or even thought that he
> > would even stand a chance in a contest. Self-deception is such a
> > comfort. Not surprising, as is often the case, Ed Dloan completely
> > missed, misconstrued, or intentionally avoided the point being made ...
> > that in spite of his claims to the contrary, when he has departed his
> > monotonous, excursive, scatological harangues will be relegated to the
> > status of cyber-coprolite!
>
> Anyone understand what this fool is talking about?
Will someone please translate Dolan's mother tongue for him. How this
fool ever held a job as a librarian defies comprehension.
> But actually I do understand Jim McNaa. He has had his delicate ego
> offended by someone who does not think he is the greatest. Well, life is
> just chock full of disappointments. I feel that I have never been fully
> appreciated by the denizens of ARBR, but I do not cry and piss about it like
> Jim McNaa. Hells Bells, I KNOW that I am the Greatest. I am also a Great
> Saint too if you are interested.
This isn't about ego and in that arena no one could ever surpass head
swollen Ed Dolan. What he thinks of me matters not because Ed matters
not.
Jim McNaa
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 25 Apr 2007 03:17:40
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1177163655.527218.52150@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 17, 9:30 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
>> Well, ROUGHLY once a week, but of course this will vary depending on the
>> amount of traffic on ARBR.
>
> If cyber-traffic congestion is your concern, then implementation of an
> often suggested abatement program should suffice to resolve this
> matter, that is just as soon as you heed the advice of many who have
> offered it and take leave of ARBR. You have often threatened to
> leave. You talk the talk, but don't walk the walk. If you are a man
> of your word, then walk on out of here!
I believe I will leave this group just as soon as I stopped being referenced
by one and all. After all, it is not much fun to just play around with Jim
McNaa in as much as he is such a poor loser.
[...]
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Apr 2007 09:41:49
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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On Apr 17, 3:55 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1176482942.367731.171960@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 5:38 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> [...]
> >> Nope, I take every message on its merits regardless of who has written
> >> it.
> >> Say something sensible and that is what you will get back. Say something
> >> stupid and nasty and that is what you will get back. Every message is sui
> >> generis with me. I do not care enough about anyone on this group to hold
> >> any
> >> personal grudges. How could I since I do not know any of you - nor you
> >> me!
>
> > Ed Dolan knows us not but continually label us all idiots, morons,
> > imbeciles, assholes and jerks. He claims to respect us but
> > continually disrespect us. His own words betray his intentions and
> > his lack of respect ... "All I ever want to do is to defeat and
> > humiliate you."
>
> I treat everyone as they deserve to be treated. You will get back exactly
> what you give, no more and no less.
Dolan's explanation is the usual B.S. Ed Dolan asserts that he treats
everyone as they deserve to be treated, but by what standard ... Ed's
of course. Who else's? Well known to be an equal opportunity
offender, Ed Dolan treats all who disagree with him (read MOST) with a
complete lack of respect, which is apparently how he feels they
deserve to be treated. I thought that Mr. Dolan said that his new
policy was to visit ARBR once a week priily on weekends, but he
posted on Friday and now again on Tuesday. Will someone please define
"weekly" and "weekend" for this geriatric dunderhead?
> > Anyone who has been here for any length of time knows Ed Dolan for
> > what and who he is. If one looks beyond the superfluous, pleonastic
> > drivel of the ubiquitous equal opportunity annoyer, one realizes that
> > for Ed, the computer and the Internet are merely tools that fill a
> > social void. By his own admission, Ed lives detached in reclusive
> > solitude, devoid of real-life interpersonal relationships. Forums are
> > Ed's cyberspace playpen and serve as ersatz social interaction that
> > only momentarily disrupts his otherwise self-sequestered isolation.
> > When he has departed, Dolan's monotonous, excursive, scatological
> > harangues will be relegated to the status of cyber-coprolite!
>
> "I treat everyone as they deserve to be treated. You will get back exactly
> what you give, no more and no less." - Ed Dolan
Cut and paste repetition ... the best the lazy fool can muster. See
my responce above.
> > When he has departed, ...
>
> Once I wasn't, Then I was, Now I ain't again.
>
> - Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard
>
> And so it will be for Jim McNaa and everyone else who has ever lived on
> this earth. But while I am here, I am having more fun than Jim McNaa -
> and so I win and he loses.
I didn't realize that Ed actually perceived this to be a contest, or
thought that fun was the determining factor, or even thought that he
would even stand a chance in a contest. Self-deception is such a
comfort. Not surprising, as is often the case, Ed Dloan completly
missed, misconstrued, or intentionaly avoided the point being made ...
that in spite of his claims to the contrary, when he has departed his
monotonous, excursive, scatological harangues will be relegated to the
status of cyber-coprolite!
Jim McNaa
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> PS. I LOVE solitude. Whatever made you think that I don't? Usenet is
> nothing but fun and games to me. What is it to you, pray tell?
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Date: 29 May 2007 09:18:09
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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On May 25, 11:39 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1179849966.420940.219410@r3g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 20, 3:24 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1179280236.194038.28670@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On May 7, 10:01 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:1178546571.123145.99010@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> [...]
>
> >> >> >> It is rude and insulting to the other members of the group who are
> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> named
> >> >> >> Tom who may stumble upon your message. Whatever you write to a
> >> >> >> newsgroup
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> there for all the world to read - and to respond to. Any
> >> >> >> individual
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> irrelevant, even one named Tom.
>
> >> >> > OK ED (et. al.) ... happy now? Your errant assumptions (your
> >> >> > specialty) are:
>
> >> >> > 1. That the whole world reads this newsgroup ... total nonsense.
>
> >> >> Theoretically the whole world can read this newsgroup, so we must
> >> >> write
> >> >> as
> >> >> though that were the case.
>
> >> > More of you meaningless prescriptive prattle? Theoretically most of
> >> > the "whole world" couldn't care less about what goes on here. Your
> >> > name is not Mr. Hoyle and you don't make the rules here.
>
> >> Obviously, Mr. McNaa does not understand the word 'theoretically'.
>
> > Obviously, Mr. Dolan is stating an opinion as though it were fact.
> > This is an errant assumption and nothing more. I realize what the
> > word "theoretically" means, however a more appropriate choice of a
> > word would have been ... hypothetically. Mr. Dolan has a tendency to
> > live in a hypothetical realm rather that the real world in which the
> > rest of us reside. The fact remains that only a fraction of the
> > "whole world" reads what is posted here and only a fraction of those
> > even care about what is written and read, and there is nothing
> > "theoretical" about that.
>
> Still, even if what you say is true, we MUST write as though the whole world
> is reading what we say, Otherwise, we are being disrespectful to any
> potential reader.
Then why did Mr. Dolan write "you" rather than Mr. McNaa???
> >> >> > 2. That any (implication all) individuals are irrelevant (I can
> >> >> > think
> >> >> > of one. Here's a hint. His intials are E.D.)
>
> >> >> Any given individual is irrelevant when viewed from the perspective of
> >> >> the
> >> >> group as whole.
>
> >> > By your own condemnation then ... you can consider yourself to be what
> >> > the readership (the group as a whole) has considered you all along ...
> >> > irrelevant!
>
> >> ANY individual in the grand scheme of things is irrelevant. Yes, this
> >> includes me too!
>
> > WOW ... a frank admission worthy for Bartlett's. Nope, I take that
> > back. This does not qualify as a FAMILIAR QUOTATION, since it is a
> > rarity for Mr. Dolan to admit to his own irrelevance. Nonetheless,
> > this is a refreshing turn of events.
>
> Mr. McNaa still does not grasp the essence of my humor. If he would
> simply step back a ways from his own involvement, he would clearly see the
> persona I am acting out here on ARBR.
I think Mr. Dolan meant "acting up" rather than "acting out".
> >> >> > 3. That in addressing a single individual, this precludes a response
> >> >> > from someone other than that individual (implied). Your own
> >> >> > response
> >> >> > refutes that.
>
> >> >> But it is not necessary to ever address a single individual. He may or
> >> >> my
> >> >> not read what you have written, but it is certain that others whom you
> >> >> have
> >> >> not addressed will read it. Show some consideration for the group, why
> >> >> don't
> >> >> you?
>
> >> > But there is no certainty if others will or will not read what is
> >> > written
> >> > either. One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for
> >> > the group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration
> >> > of the group.
>
> >> I write for the group, not for you or any other individual. Would that
> >> you
> >> would do likewise.
>
> > But, many members of the group have repeatedly asked you to refrain
> > and. to take leave of ARBR, so who then is lacking in consideration
> > for the group? I repeat ... One who has demonstrated a complete lack
> > of consideration for the group is in no position to lecture anyone
> > else regarding consideration of the group
>
> I do not pay any attention to what active members of this group say since
> most are idiots in any event. I write for the ages and the yet unborn. Yea,
> I have become a legend in my own mind.
The operative words being "in my own mind" ... think delusional.
> >> >> > 4. That addressing a single individual is rude and insulting. This
> >> >> > is your own personal opinion. If you are concerned about rude and
> >> >> > insulting, I suggest that you go back and review some of your own
> >> >> > posts for examples of what constitutes rude and insulting.
>
> >> >> I only insult those who deserve to be insulted based on their previous
> >> >> messages. I write Usenet messages for the group; you write in essence
> >> >> emails
> >> >> to individuals. Show some consideration for the group, why don't you?
> >> >> [...]
>
> >> > Speak into the microphone for the benefit of the audience. Care to
> >> > guess which two fingers I'm holding up? Here is a clue ... BULLSHIT!
> >> > One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for the
> >> > group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration of
> >> > the group.
>
> >> The group is always uppermost in my mind. That is the only reason I am on
> >> a
> >> newgroup in the first place.
>
> > I refer you to the microphone reference above (read BULLSHIT!). If
> > the group is always uppermost in your mind, then you would have left
> > long ago as many members have requested repeatedly.
>
> "I do not pay any attention to what active members of this group say since
> most are idiots in any event. I write for the ages and the yet unborn. Yea,
> I have become a legend in my own mind." - Ed Dolan
The operative words being "in my own mind" ... think delusional.
> >> >> >> Nay, I am the housekeeper for this newsgroup and so every exception
> >> >> >> must
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> made for one so Great as Myself. Besides, others can learn how not
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> post
> >> >> >> from your very bad example and how to post from my very good
> >> >> >> example.
>
> >> >> > Diversion duly noted. And to think that you often accuse Tom
> >> >> > Sherman
> >> >> > of never giving an inch. You often invite the readership to emulate
> >> >> > you, so that means the readership is therefore entitled to every
> >> >> > exception as well.
>
> >> >> As far as I know, Tom Sherman has never given an inch to anyone on
> >> >> this
> >> >> group - ever! It is a serious character and personality failing never
> >> >> to
> >> >> be
> >> >> able to meet anyone halfway. I feel sorry for him.
>
> >> > Feel sorry for yourself then as well because you share the very same
> >> > serious character flaw.
>
> >> Nay, I have more than met you halfway many times. But your delicate ego
> >> wants me to me you the whole way. That can never be. However, I do
> >> consider
> >> you a normal person . Poor Mr. Sherman is not quite normal. It all
> >> springs
> >> from him being an ideologue of the worst sort.
>
> >> >> >> > You should refrain from instructing others as to how they should
> >> >> >> > proceed until you yourself set a good example rather than break
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > very rules that you expect others to abide by. The conundrum
> >> >> >> > continues.
>
> >> >> >> You obviously have not taken my signature to heart. I am Ed Dolan
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> Great
> >> >> >> and therefore above and beyond all criticism.
>
> >> >> > I take nothing that you write seriously, but I will reiterate, you
> >> >> > often invite the readership to emulate you, so that means that the
> >> >> > readership is not subject to criticism so don't waste your breath.
> >> >> > You'll need it to blow up your date!
>
> >> Others need to emulate my style. My content is beyond their
> >> comprehension,
> >> as it is yours.
>
> > I'm thinking that the others of whom you speak would disagree on both
> > accounts.
>
> >> >> I have often invited the readership to emulate me in my form of
> >> >> writing.
> >> >> Since others are in no way exceptional, they should never strive to
> >> >> emulate
> >> >> me in any other way, most particularly when it comes to content.
>
> >> > Now why would a gifted writer ever want to emulate you and degrade the
> >> > quality of their writing style? Content??? Your content consists of
> >> > monotonous, regurgitated gibberish.
>
> >> Nope, you are whistling in the wind. I KNOW from reading others on this
> >> newsgroup that my style is superior to theirs. However, I must admit I
> >> am
> >> no T.S. Eliot.
>
> >> No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
> >> Am an attendant lord, one that will do
> >> To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
> >> Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
> >> Deferential, glad to be of use,
> >> Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
> >> Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
> >> At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
> >> Almost, at times, the Fool.
>
> >> - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" by T.S. Eliot.
>
> >> >> > R E A D E R S H I P: Endeavoring to seduce the readership into
> >> >> > sharing his myopic vision, Ed Dolan is stupefied by a twisted sense
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > self-importance, bewitched by delusion and absorbed in his own
> >> >> > wayward
> >> >> > drama. That about sums it up.
>
> >> >> It is ever my delight to tweak the denizens of this newsgroup. I shall
> >> >> continue to do so until the cows come home.
>
> >> > Thanks for making my point ... Jim McNaa.
>
> >> And my point too!
>
> > If could part your hair on the other side of your head, you'd cover up
> > that point ... that is, if you weren't bald.
>
> Leave the humor to those to whom it comes naturally. That let's you and I
> out.
>
> By the way, the only wit this group ever had was a guy who went by the
> moniker of "skip." I wonder whatever happened to him?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 30 May 2007 10:03:20
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1180455489.712968.312810@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 25, 11:39 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
>> > Obviously, Mr. Dolan is stating an opinion as though it were fact.
>> > This is an errant assumption and nothing more. I realize what the
>> > word "theoretically" means, however a more appropriate choice of a
>> > word would have been ... hypothetically. Mr. Dolan has a tendency to
>> > live in a hypothetical realm rather that the real world in which the
>> > rest of us reside. The fact remains that only a fraction of the
>> > "whole world" reads what is posted here and only a fraction of those
>> > even care about what is written and read, and there is nothing
>> > "theoretical" about that.
>>
>> Still, even if what you say is true, we MUST write as though the whole
>> world
>> is reading what we say, Otherwise, we are being disrespectful to any
>> potential reader.
>
> Then why did Mr. Dolan write "you" rather than Mr. McNaa???
It is OK to address one personally OCCASIONALLY, but if that is ALL you are
doing, then it is time for you to leave the group.
I would like to see some messages from you to others on this group besides
me. That will prove to me that you are not a stalker, the lowest of all the
kind of creatures that inhabit Usenet. You are better than that. You do not
ever want to sink to the level of an Ed Gin.
[...]
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Apr 2007 21:30:03
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1176828109.956487.185880@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 17, 3:55 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1176482942.367731.171960@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 13, 5:38 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>> >> Nope, I take every message on its merits regardless of who has written
>> >> it.
>> >> Say something sensible and that is what you will get back. Say
>> >> something
>> >> stupid and nasty and that is what you will get back. Every message is
>> >> sui
>> >> generis with me. I do not care enough about anyone on this group to
>> >> hold
>> >> any
>> >> personal grudges. How could I since I do not know any of you - nor you
>> >> me!
>>
>> > Ed Dolan knows us not but continually label us all idiots, morons,
>> > imbeciles, assholes and jerks. He claims to respect us but
>> > continually disrespect us. His own words betray his intentions and
>> > his lack of respect ... "All I ever want to do is to defeat and
>> > humiliate you."
>>
>> I treat everyone as they deserve to be treated. You will get back exactly
>> what you give, no more and no less.
>
> Dolan's explanation is the usual B.S. Ed Dolan asserts that he treats
> everyone as they deserve to be treated, but by what standard ... Ed's
> of course. Who else's? Well known to be an equal opportunity
> offender, Ed Dolan treats all who disagree with him (read MOST) with a
> complete lack of respect, which is apparently how he feels they
> deserve to be treated. I thought that Mr. Dolan said that his new
> policy was to visit ARBR once a week priily on weekends, but he
> posted on Friday and now again on Tuesday. Will someone please define
> "weekly" and "weekend" for this geriatric dunderhead?
Well, ROUGHLY once a week, but of course this will vary depending on the
amount of traffic on ARBR.
>> > Anyone who has been here for any length of time knows Ed Dolan for
>> > what and who he is. If one looks beyond the superfluous, pleonastic
>> > drivel of the ubiquitous equal opportunity annoyer, one realizes that
>> > for Ed, the computer and the Internet are merely tools that fill a
>> > social void. By his own admission, Ed lives detached in reclusive
>> > solitude, devoid of real-life interpersonal relationships. Forums are
>> > Ed's cyberspace playpen and serve as ersatz social interaction that
>> > only momentarily disrupts his otherwise self-sequestered isolation.
>> > When he has departed, Dolan's monotonous, excursive, scatological
>> > harangues will be relegated to the status of cyber-coprolite!
>>
>> "I treat everyone as they deserve to be treated. You will get back
>> exactly
>> what you give, no more and no less." - Ed Dolan
>
> Cut and paste repetition ... the best the lazy fool can muster. See
> my responce above.
>
>> > When he has departed, ...
>>
>> Once I wasn't, Then I was, Now I ain't again.
>>
>> - Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard
>>
>> And so it will be for Jim McNaa and everyone else who has ever lived
>> on
>> this earth. But while I am here, I am having more fun than Jim McNaa -
>> and so I win and he loses.
>
> I didn't realize that Ed actually perceived this to be a contest, or
> thought that fun was the determining factor, or even thought that he
> would even stand a chance in a contest. Self-deception is such a
> comfort. Not surprising, as is often the case, Ed Dloan completly
> missed, misconstrued, or intentionaly avoided the point being made ...
> that in spite of his claims to the contrary, when he has departed his
> monotonous, excursive, scatological harangues will be relegated to the
> status of cyber-coprolite!
Anyone understand what this fool is talking about?
But actually I do understand Jim McNaa. He has had his delicate ego
offended by someone who does not think he is the greatest. Well, life is
just chock full of disappointments. I feel that I have never been fully
appreciated by the denizens of ARBR, but I do not cry and piss about it like
Jim McNaa. Hells Bells, I KNOW that I am the Greatest. I am also a Great
Saint too if you are interested.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
|
| |
Date: 13 Apr 2007 09:49:02
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
On Apr 13, 5:38 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1176049670.224181.30280@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 7, 6:58 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1175561139.666290.163040@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...> On 30,
> >> 11:19 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> >> [...]
>
> >> >> However, if and when I ever do respond to a message of Eco I will read
> >> >> it
> >> >> in
> >> >> full and quote it in full in my response, which is more than can be
> >> >> said
> >> >> for
> >> >> some of the idiots on this newsgroup. I am ever respectful of the
> >> >> members
> >> >> of
> >> >> this group no matter how much despise them.
>
> >> > So Ed Dolan respects those whom he despises. Now there's an
> >> > interesting
> >> > contradiction. The conundrum continues.
>
> >> I will respect their messages no matter how much I despise their persons.
> >> What is there about this that you do not understand?
>
> > Well specifically this ... what does respect of messages entail? If
> > you have no respect for and castigate all who are here (and you do),
> > and you do likewise with what they write, where's then is the
> > respect? If you have any, then show some. I for one have no respect
> > for you, because you have respect only for yourself and I find that
> > rather telling.
>
> Nope, I take every message on its merits regardless of who has written it.
> Say something sensible and that is what you will get back. Say something
> stupid and nasty and that is what you will get back. Every message is sui
> generis with me. I do not care enough about anyone on this group to hold any
> personal grudges. How could I since I do not know any of you - nor you me!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Ed Dolan knows us not but continually label us all idiots, morons,
imbeciles, assholes and jerks. He claims to respect us but
continually disrespect us. His own words betray his intentions and
his lack of respect ... "All I ever want to do is to defeat and
humiliate you."
Anyone who has been here for any length of time knows Ed Dolan for
what and who he is. If one looks beyond the superfluous, pleonastic
drivel of the ubiquitous equal opportunity annoyer, one realizes that
for Ed, the computer and the Internet are merely tools that fill a
social void. By his own admission, Ed lives detached in reclusive
solitude, devoid of real-life interpersonal relationships. Forums are
Ed's cyberspace playpen and serve as ersatz social interaction that
only momentarily disrupts his otherwise self-sequestered isolation.
When he has departed, Dolan's monotonous, excursive, scatological
harangues will be relegated to the status of cyber-coprolite!
Jim McNaa
|
| | |
Date: 22 May 2007 12:23:22
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
On May 20, 3:24 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1179280236.194038.28670@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 7, 10:01 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1178546571.123145.99010@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >> [...]
>
> >> >> It is rude and insulting to the other members of the group who are not
> >> >> named
> >> >> Tom who may stumble upon your message. Whatever you write to a
> >> >> newsgroup
> >> >> is
> >> >> there for all the world to read - and to respond to. Any individual
> >> >> is
> >> >> irrelevant, even one named Tom.
>
> >> > OK ED (et. al.) ... happy now? Your errant assumptions (your
> >> > specialty) are:
>
> >> > 1. That the whole world reads this newsgroup ... total nonsense.
>
> >> Theoretically the whole world can read this newsgroup, so we must write
> >> as
> >> though that were the case.
>
> > More of you meaningless prescriptive prattle? Theoretically most of
> > the "whole world" couldn't care less about what goes on here. Your
> > name is not Mr. Hoyle and you don't make the rules here.
>
> Obviously, Mr. McNaa does not understand the word 'theoretically'.
Obviously, Mr. Dolan is stating an opinion as though it were fact. I
realize what the word "theoretically" means, however a more
appropriate choice of a word would have been ... hypothetically. Mr.
Dolan has a tendency to live in a hypothetical realm rather that the
real world in which the rest of us reside. The fact remains that only
a fraction of the "whole world" reads what is posted here and only a
fraction of those even care about what is written and read, and there
is nothing "theoretical" about that.
> >> > 2. That any (implication all) individuals are irrelevant (I can think
> >> > of one. Here's a hint. His initials are E.D.)
>
> >> Any given individual is irrelevant when viewed from the perspective of
> >> the
> >> group as whole.
>
> > By your own condemnation then ... you can consider yourself to be what
> > the readership (the group as a whole) has considered you all along ...
> > irrelevant!
>
> ANY individual in the grand scheme of things is irrelevant. Yes, this
> includes me too!
WOW ... a frank admission worthy for Bartlett's. Nope, I take that
back. This does not qualify as a FAMILIAR QUOTATION, since it is a
rarity for Mr. Dolan to admit to his own irrelevance. Nonetheless,
this is a refreshing turn of events.
> >> > 3. That in addressing a single individual, this precludes a response
> >> > from someone other than that individual (implied). Your own response
> >> > refutes that.
>
> >> But it is not necessary to ever address a single individual. He may or my
> >> not read what you have written, but it is certain that others whom you
> >> have
> >> not addressed will read it. Show some consideration for the group, why
> >> don't
> >> you?
>
> > But there is no certainty if others will or will not read what is written
> > either. One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for
> > the group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration
> > of the group.
>
> I write for the group, not for you or any other individual. Would that you
> would do likewise.
But, many members of the group have repeatedly asked that Mr. Doaln to
take leave of ARBR, so who then is lacking in consideration for the
group? I repeat ... One who has demonstrated a complete lack of
consideration for the group is in no position to lecture another
concerning consideration of the group
> >> > 4. That addressing a single individual is rude and insulting. This
> >> > is your own personal opinion. If you are concerned about rude and
> >> > insulting, I suggest that you go back and review some of your own
> >> > posts for examples of what constitutes rude and insulting.
>
> >> I only insult those who deserve to be insulted based on their previous
> >> messages. I write Usenet messages for the group; you write in essence
> >> emails
> >> to individuals. Show some consideration for the group, why don't you?
> >> [...]
>
> > Speak into the microphone for the benefit of the audience. Care to
> > guess which two fingers I'm holding up? Here is a clue ... BULLSHIT!
> > One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for the
> > group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration of
> > the group.
>
> The group is always uppermost in my mind. That is the only reason I am on a
> newgroup in the first place.
I refer Mr. Dolan to the microphone reference above (read BULLSHIT!).
If the group is always uppermost in Mr. Doaln's mind, then he would
have left long ago as many members have requested repeatedly.
> >> >> Nay, I am the housekeeper for this newsgroup and so every exception
> >> >> must
> >> >> be
> >> >> made for one so Great as Myself. Besides, others can learn how not to
> >> >> post
> >> >> from your very bad example and how to post from my very good example.
>
> >> > Diversion duly noted. And to think that you often accuse Tom Sherman
> >> > of never giving an inch. You often invite the readership to emulate
> >> > you, so that means the readership is therefore entitled to every
> >> > exception as well.
>
> >> As far as I know, Tom Sherman has never given an inch to anyone on this
> >> group - ever! It is a serious character and personality failing never to
> >> be
> >> able to meet anyone halfway. I feel sorry for him.
>
> > Feel sorry for yourself then as well because you share the very same
> > serious character flaw.
>
> Nay, I have more than met you halfway many times. But your delicate ego
> wants me to me you the whole way. That can never be. However, I do consider
> you a normal person . Poor Mr. Sherman is not quite normal. It all springs
> from him being an ideologue of the worst sort.
>
> >> >> > You should refrain from instructing others as to how they should
> >> >> > proceed until you yourself set a good example rather than break the
> >> >> > very rules that you expect others to abide by. The conundrum
> >> >> > continues.
>
> >> >> You obviously have not taken my signature to heart. I am Ed Dolan the
> >> >> Great
> >> >> and therefore above and beyond all criticism.
>
> >> > I take nothing that you write seriously, but I will reiterate, you
> >> > often invite the readership to emulate you, so that means that the
> >> > readership is not subject to criticism so don't waste your breath.
> >> > You'll need it to blow up your date!
>
> Others need to emulate my style. My content is beyond their comprehension,
> as it is yours.
I'm thinking that the others of whom Mr. Dolan speaks would disagree
on both accounts.
> >> I have often invited the readership to emulate me in my form of writing.
> >> Since others are in no way exceptional, they should never strive to
> >> emulate
> >> me in any other way, most particularly when it comes to content.
>
> > Now why would a gifted writer ever want to emulate you and degrade the
> > quality of their writing style? Content??? Your content consists of
> > monotonous, regurgitated gibberish.
>
> Nope, you are whistling in the wind. I KNOW from reading others on this
> newsgroup that my style is superior to theirs. However, I must admit I am
> no T.S. Eliot.
>
> No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
> Am an attendant lord, one that will do
> To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
> Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
> Deferential, glad to be of use,
> Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
> Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
> At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
> Almost, at times, the Fool.
>
> - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" by T.S. Eliot.
>
> >> > R E A D E R S H I P: Endeavoring to seduce the readership into
> >> > sharing his myopic vision, Ed Dolan is stupefied by a twisted sense of
> >> > self-importance, bewitched by delusion and absorbed in his own wayward
> >> > drama. That about sums it up.
>
> >> It is ever my delight to tweak the denizens of this newsgroup. I shall
> >> continue to do so until the cows come home.
>
> > Thanks for making my point ... Jim McNaa.
>
> And my point too!
If Mr. Doaln were to part his hair on the other side of his head, he
could cover up that point ... that is, if he weren't bald.
Jim McNaa
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
|
| | |
Date: 22 May 2007 10:10:45
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
On May 20, 3:24 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1179280236.194038.28670@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 7, 10:01 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1178546571.123145.99010@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >> [...]
>
> >> >> It is rude and insulting to the other members of the group who are not
> >> >> named
> >> >> Tom who may stumble upon your message. Whatever you write to a
> >> >> newsgroup
> >> >> is
> >> >> there for all the world to read - and to respond to. Any individual
> >> >> is
> >> >> irrelevant, even one named Tom.
>
> >> > OK ED (et. al.) ... happy now? Your errant assumptions (your
> >> > specialty) are:
>
> >> > 1. That the whole world reads this newsgroup ... total nonsense.
>
> >> Theoretically the whole world can read this newsgroup, so we must write
> >> as
> >> though that were the case.
>
> > More of you meaningless prescriptive prattle? Theoretically most of
> > the "whole world" couldn't care less about what goes on here. Your
> > name is not Mr. Hoyle and you don't make the rules here.
>
> Obviously, Mr. McNaa does not understand the word 'theoretically'.
Obviously, Mr. Dolan is stating an opinion as though it were fact. I
realize what the word "theoretically" means, however a more
appropriate choice of a word would have been ... hypothetically. Mr.
Dolan has a tendency to live in a hypothetical realm rather that the
real world in which the rest of us reside. The fact remains that only
a fraction of the "whole world" reads what is posted here and only a
fraction of those even care about what is written and read, and there
is nothing "theoretical" about that.
> >> > 2. That any (implication all) individuals are irrelevant (I can think
> >> > of one. Here's a hint. His initials are E.D.)
>
> >> Any given individual is irrelevant when viewed from the perspective of
> >> the
> >> group as whole.
>
> > By your own condemnation then ... you can consider yourself to be what
> > the readership (the group as a whole) has considered you all along ...
> > irrelevant!
>
> ANY individual in the grand scheme of things is irrelevant. Yes, this
> includes me too!
WOW ... a frank admission worthy for Bartlett's. Nope, I take that
back. This does not qualify as a FAMILIAR QUOTATION, since it is a
rarity for Mr. Dolan to admit to his own irrelevance. Nonetheless,
this is a refreshing turn of events.
> >> > 3. That in addressing a single individual, this precludes a response
> >> > from someone other than that individual (implied). Your own response
> >> > refutes that.
>
> >> But it is not necessary to ever address a single individual. He may or my
> >> not read what you have written, but it is certain that others whom you
> >> have
> >> not addressed will read it. Show some consideration for the group, why
> >> don't
> >> you?
>
> > But there is no certainty if others will or will not read what is written
> > either. One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for
> > the group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration
> > of the group.
>
> I write for the group, not for you or any other individual. Would that you
> would do likewise.
But, many members of the group have repeatedly asked that Mr. Doaln to
take leave of ARBR, so who then is lacking in consideration for the
group? I repeat ... One who has demonstrated a complete lack of
consideration for the group is in no position to lecture another
concerning consideration of the group
> >> > 4. That addressing a single individual is rude and insulting. This
> >> > is your own personal opinion. If you are concerned about rude and
> >> > insulting, I suggest that you go back and review some of your own
> >> > posts for examples of what constitutes rude and insulting.
>
> >> I only insult those who deserve to be insulted based on their previous
> >> messages. I write Usenet messages for the group; you write in essence
> >> emails
> >> to individuals. Show some consideration for the group, why don't you?
> >> [...]
>
> > Speak into the microphone for the benefit of the audience. Care to
> > guess which two fingers I'm holding up? Here is a clue ... BULLSHIT!
> > One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for the
> > group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration of
> > the group.
>
> The group is always uppermost in my mind. That is the only reason I am on a
> newgroup in the first place.
I refer Mr. Dolan to the microphone reference above (read BULLSHIT!).
If the group is always uppermost in Mr. Doaln's mind, then he would
have left long ago as many members have requested repeatedly.
> >> >> Nay, I am the housekeeper for this newsgroup and so every exception
> >> >> must
> >> >> be
> >> >> made for one so Great as Myself. Besides, others can learn how not to
> >> >> post
> >> >> from your very bad example and how to post from my very good example.
>
> >> > Diversion duly noted. And to think that you often accuse Tom Sherman
> >> > of never giving an inch. You often invite the readership to emulate
> >> > you, so that means the readership is therefore entitled to every
> >> > exception as well.
>
> >> As far as I know, Tom Sherman has never given an inch to anyone on this
> >> group - ever! It is a serious character and personality failing never to
> >> be
> >> able to meet anyone halfway. I feel sorry for him.
>
> > Feel sorry for yourself then as well because you share the very same
> > serious character flaw.
>
> Nay, I have more than met you halfway many times. But your delicate ego
> wants me to me you the whole way. That can never be. However, I do consider
> you a normal person . Poor Mr. Sherman is not quite normal. It all springs
> from him being an ideologue of the worst sort.
>
> >> >> > You should refrain from instructing others as to how they should
> >> >> > proceed until you yourself set a good example rather than break the
> >> >> > very rules that you expect others to abide by. The conundrum
> >> >> > continues.
>
> >> >> You obviously have not taken my signature to heart. I am Ed Dolan the
> >> >> Great
> >> >> and therefore above and beyond all criticism.
>
> >> > I take nothing that you write seriously, but I will reiterate, you
> >> > often invite the readership to emulate you, so that means that the
> >> > readership is not subject to criticism so don't waste your breath.
> >> > You'll need it to blow up your date!
>
> Others need to emulate my style. My content is beyond their comprehension,
> as it is yours.
I'm thinking that the others of whom Mr. Dolan speaks would disagree
on both accounts.
> >> I have often invited the readership to emulate me in my form of writing.
> >> Since others are in no way exceptional, they should never strive to
> >> emulate
> >> me in any other way, most particularly when it comes to content.
>
> > Now why would a gifted writer ever want to emulate you and degrade the
> > quality of their writing style? Content??? Your content consists of
> > monotonous, regurgitated gibberish.
>
> Nope, you are whistling in the wind. I KNOW from reading others on this
> newsgroup that my style is superior to theirs. However, I must admit I am
> no T.S. Eliot.
>
> No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
> Am an attendant lord, one that will do
> To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
> Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
> Deferential, glad to be of use,
> Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
> Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
> At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
> Almost, at times, the Fool.
>
> - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" by T.S. Eliot.
>
> >> > R E A D E R S H I P: Endeavoring to seduce the readership into
> >> > sharing his myopic vision, Ed Dolan is stupefied by a twisted sense of
> >> > self-importance, bewitched by delusion and absorbed in his own wayward
> >> > drama. That about sums it up.
>
> >> It is ever my delight to tweak the denizens of this newsgroup. I shall
> >> continue to do so until the cows come home.
>
> > Thanks for making my point ... Jim McNaa.
>
> And my point too!
If Mr. Doaln were to part his hair on the other side of his head, he
could cover up that point ... that is, if he weren't bald.
Jim McNaa
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
|
| | |
Date: 22 May 2007 09:22:33
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
On May 20, 3:24 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1179280236.194038.28670@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 7, 10:01 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1178546571.123145.99010@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >> [...]
>
> >> >> It is rude and insulting to the other members of the group who are not
> >> >> named
> >> >> Tom who may stumble upon your message. Whatever you write to a
> >> >> newsgroup
> >> >> is
> >> >> there for all the world to read - and to respond to. Any individual
> >> >> is
> >> >> irrelevant, even one named Tom.
>
> >> > OK ED (et. al.) ... happy now? Your errant assumptions (your
> >> > specialty) are:
>
> >> > 1. That the whole world reads this newsgroup ... total nonsense.
>
> >> Theoretically the whole world can read this newsgroup, so we must write
> >> as
> >> though that were the case.
>
> > More of you meaningless prescriptive prattle? Theoretically most of
> > the "whole world" couldn't care less about what goes on here. Your
> > name is not Mr. Hoyle and you don't make the rules here.
>
> Obviously, Mr. McNaa does not understand the word 'theoretically'.
Obviously, Mr. Dolan is stating an opinion as though it were fact. I
realize what the word "theoretically" means, however a more
appropriate choice of a word would have been ... hypothetically. Mr.
Dolan has a tendency to live in a hypothetical realm rather that the
real world in which the rest of us reside. The fact remains that only
a fraction of the "whole world" reads what is posted here and only a
fraction of those even care about what is written and read, and there
is nothing "theoretical" about that.
> >> > 2. That any (implication all) individuals are irrelevant (I can think
> >> > of one. Here's a hint. His intials are E.D.)
>
> >> Any given individual is irrelevant when viewed from the perspective of
> >> the
> >> group as whole.
>
> > By your own condemnation then ... you can consider yourself to be what
> > the readership (the group as a whole) has considered you all along ...
> > irrelevant!
>
> ANY individual in the grand scheme of things is irrelevant. Yes, this
> includes me too!
WOW ... a frank admission worthy for Bartlett's. Nope, I take that
back. This does not qualify as a FAMILIAR QUOTATION, since it is a
rarity for Mr. Dolan to admit to his own irrelevance. Nonetheless,
this is a refreshing turn of events.
> >> > 3. That in addressing a single individual, this precludes a response
> >> > from someone other than that individual (implied). Your own response
> >> > refutes that.
>
> >> But it is not necessary to ever address a single individual. He may or my
> >> not read what you have written, but it is certain that others whom you
> >> have
> >> not addressed will read it. Show some consideration for the group, why
> >> don't
> >> you?
>
> > But there is no certainty if others will or will not read what is written
> > either. One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for
> > the group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration
> > of the group.
>
> I write for the group, not for you or any other individual. Would that you
> would do likewise.
But, many members of the group have repeatedly asked that Mr. Doaln to
take leave of ARBR, so who then is lacking in consideration for the
group? I repeat ... One who has demonstrated a complete lack of
consideration for the group is in no position to lecture another
concerning consideration of the group
> >> > 4. That addressing a single individual is rude and insulting. This
> >> > is your own personal opinion. If you are concerned about rude and
> >> > insulting, I suggest that you go back and review some of your own
> >> > posts for examples of what constitutes rude and insulting.
>
> >> I only insult those who deserve to be insulted based on their previous
> >> messages. I write Usenet messages for the group; you write in essence
> >> emails
> >> to individuals. Show some consideration for the group, why don't you?
> >> [...]
>
> > Speak into the microphone for the benefit of the audience. Care to
> > guess which two fingers I'm holding up? Here is a clue ... BULLSHIT!
> > One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for the
> > group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration of
> > the group.
>
> The group is always uppermost in my mind. That is the only reason I am on a
> newgroup in the first place.
I refer Mr. Dolan to the microphone reference above (read BULLSHIT!).
If the group is always uppermost in Mr. Doaln's mind, then he would
have left long ago as many members have requested repeatedly.
> >> >> Nay, I am the housekeeper for this newsgroup and so every exception
> >> >> must
> >> >> be
> >> >> made for one so Great as Myself. Besides, others can learn how not to
> >> >> post
> >> >> from your very bad example and how to post from my very good example.
>
> >> > Diversion duly noted. And to think that you often accuse Tom Sherman
> >> > of never giving an inch. You often invite the readership to emulate
> >> > you, so that means the readership is therefore entitled to every
> >> > exception as well.
>
> >> As far as I know, Tom Sherman has never given an inch to anyone on this
> >> group - ever! It is a serious character and personality failing never to
> >> be
> >> able to meet anyone halfway. I feel sorry for him.
>
> > Feel sorry for yourself then as well because you share the very same
> > serious character flaw.
>
> Nay, I have more than met you halfway many times. But your delicate ego
> wants me to me you the whole way. That can never be. However, I do consider
> you a normal person . Poor Mr. Sherman is not quite normal. It all springs
> from him being an ideologue of the worst sort.
>
> >> >> > You should refrain from instructing others as to how they should
> >> >> > proceed until you yourself set a good example rather than break the
> >> >> > very rules that you expect others to abide by. The conundrum
> >> >> > continues.
>
> >> >> You obviously have not taken my signature to heart. I am Ed Dolan the
> >> >> Great
> >> >> and therefore above and beyond all criticism.
>
> >> > I take nothing that you write seriously, but I will reiterate, you
> >> > often invite the readership to emulate you, so that means that the
> >> > readership is not subject to criticism so don't waste your breath.
> >> > You'll need it to blow up your date!
>
> Others need to emulate my style. My content is beyond their comprehension,
> as it is yours.
I'm thinking that the others of whom Mr. Dolan speaks would disagree
on both accounts.
> >> I have often invited the readership to emulate me in my form of writing.
> >> Since others are in no way exceptional, they should never strive to
> >> emulate
> >> me in any other way, most particularly when it comes to content.
>
> > Now why would a gifted writer ever want to emulate you and degrade the
> > quality of their writing style? Content??? Your content consists of
> > monotonous, regurgitated gibberish.
>
> Nope, you are whistling in the wind. I KNOW from reading others on this
> newsgroup that my style is superior to theirs. However, I must admit I am
> no T.S. Eliot.
>
> No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
> Am an attendant lord, one that will do
> To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
> Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
> Deferential, glad to be of use,
> Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
> Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
> At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
> Almost, at times, the Fool.
>
> - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" by T.S. Eliot.
>
> >> > R E A D E R S H I P: Endeavoring to seduce the readership into
> >> > sharing his myopic vision, Ed Dolan is stupefied by a twisted sense of
> >> > self-importance, bewitched by delusion and absorbed in his own wayward
> >> > drama. That about sums it up.
>
> >> It is ever my delight to tweak the denizens of this newsgroup. I shall
> >> continue to do so until the cows come home.
>
> > Thanks for making my point ... Jim McNaa.
>
> And my point too!
If Mr. Doaln were to part his hair on the other side of his head, he
could cover up that point ... that is, if he weren't bald.
Jim McNaa
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
|
| | |
Date: 22 May 2007 09:06:06
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
On May 20, 3:24 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1179280236.194038.28670@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 7, 10:01 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1178546571.123145.99010@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> >> [...]
>
> >> >> It is rude and insulting to the other members of the group who are not
> >> >> named
> >> >> Tom who may stumble upon your message. Whatever you write to a
> >> >> newsgroup
> >> >> is
> >> >> there for all the world to read - and to respond to. Any individual
> >> >> is
> >> >> irrelevant, even one named Tom.
>
> >> > OK ED (et. al.) ... happy now? Your errant assumptions (your
> >> > specialty) are:
>
> >> > 1. That the whole world reads this newsgroup ... total nonsense.
>
> >> Theoretically the whole world can read this newsgroup, so we must write
> >> as
> >> though that were the case.
>
> > More of you meaningless prescriptive prattle? Theoretically most of
> > the "whole world" couldn't care less about what goes on here. Your
> > name is not Mr. Hoyle and you don't make the rules here.
>
> Obviously, Mr. McNaa does not understand the word 'theoretically'.
Obviously, Mr. Dolan is stating an opinion as though it were fact.
This is an errant assumption and nothing more. I realize what the
word "theoretically" means, however a more appropriate choice of a
word would have been ... hypothetically. Mr. Dolan has a tendency to
live in a hypothetical realm rather that the real world in which the
rest of us reside. The fact remains that only a fraction of the
"whole world" reads what is posted here and only a fraction of those
even care about what is written and read, and there is nothing
"theoretical" about that.
> >> > 2. That any (implication all) individuals are irrelevant (I can think
> >> > of one. Here's a hint. His intials are E.D.)
>
> >> Any given individual is irrelevant when viewed from the perspective of
> >> the
> >> group as whole.
>
> > By your own condemnation then ... you can consider yourself to be what
> > the readership (the group as a whole) has considered you all along ...
> > irrelevant!
>
> ANY individual in the grand scheme of things is irrelevant. Yes, this
> includes me too!
WOW ... a frank admission worthy for Bartlett's. Nope, I take that
back. This does not qualify as a FAMILIAR QUOTATION, since it is a
rarity for Mr. Dolan to admit to his own irrelevance. Nonetheless,
this is a refreshing turn of events.
> >> > 3. That in addressing a single individual, this precludes a response
> >> > from someone other than that individual (implied). Your own response
> >> > refutes that.
>
> >> But it is not necessary to ever address a single individual. He may or my
> >> not read what you have written, but it is certain that others whom you
> >> have
> >> not addressed will read it. Show some consideration for the group, why
> >> don't
> >> you?
>
> > But there is no certainty if others will or will not read what is written
> > either. One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for
> > the group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration
> > of the group.
>
> I write for the group, not for you or any other individual. Would that you
> would do likewise.
But, many members of the group have repeatedly asked you to refrain
and. to take leave of ARBR, so who then is lacking in consideration
for the group? I repeat ... One who has demonstrated a complete lack
of consideration for the group is in no position to lecture anyone
else regarding consideration of the group
> >> > 4. That addressing a single individual is rude and insulting. This
> >> > is your own personal opinion. If you are concerned about rude and
> >> > insulting, I suggest that you go back and review some of your own
> >> > posts for examples of what constitutes rude and insulting.
>
> >> I only insult those who deserve to be insulted based on their previous
> >> messages. I write Usenet messages for the group; you write in essence
> >> emails
> >> to individuals. Show some consideration for the group, why don't you?
> >> [...]
>
> > Speak into the microphone for the benefit of the audience. Care to
> > guess which two fingers I'm holding up? Here is a clue ... BULLSHIT!
> > One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for the
> > group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration of
> > the group.
>
> The group is always uppermost in my mind. That is the only reason I am on a
> newgroup in the first place.
I refer you to the microphone reference above (read BULLSHIT!). If
the group is always uppermost in your mind, then you would have left
long ago as many members have requested repeatedly.
> >> >> Nay, I am the housekeeper for this newsgroup and so every exception
> >> >> must
> >> >> be
> >> >> made for one so Great as Myself. Besides, others can learn how not to
> >> >> post
> >> >> from your very bad example and how to post from my very good example.
>
> >> > Diversion duly noted. And to think that you often accuse Tom Sherman
> >> > of never giving an inch. You often invite the readership to emulate
> >> > you, so that means the readership is therefore entitled to every
> >> > exception as well.
>
> >> As far as I know, Tom Sherman has never given an inch to anyone on this
> >> group - ever! It is a serious character and personality failing never to
> >> be
> >> able to meet anyone halfway. I feel sorry for him.
>
> > Feel sorry for yourself then as well because you share the very same
> > serious character flaw.
>
> Nay, I have more than met you halfway many times. But your delicate ego
> wants me to me you the whole way. That can never be. However, I do consider
> you a normal person . Poor Mr. Sherman is not quite normal. It all springs
> from him being an ideologue of the worst sort.
>
> >> >> > You should refrain from instructing others as to how they should
> >> >> > proceed until you yourself set a good example rather than break the
> >> >> > very rules that you expect others to abide by. The conundrum
> >> >> > continues.
>
> >> >> You obviously have not taken my signature to heart. I am Ed Dolan the
> >> >> Great
> >> >> and therefore above and beyond all criticism.
>
> >> > I take nothing that you write seriously, but I will reiterate, you
> >> > often invite the readership to emulate you, so that means that the
> >> > readership is not subject to criticism so don't waste your breath.
> >> > You'll need it to blow up your date!
>
> Others need to emulate my style. My content is beyond their comprehension,
> as it is yours.
I'm thinking that the others of whom you speak would disagree on both
accounts.
> >> I have often invited the readership to emulate me in my form of writing.
> >> Since others are in no way exceptional, they should never strive to
> >> emulate
> >> me in any other way, most particularly when it comes to content.
>
> > Now why would a gifted writer ever want to emulate you and degrade the
> > quality of their writing style? Content??? Your content consists of
> > monotonous, regurgitated gibberish.
>
> Nope, you are whistling in the wind. I KNOW from reading others on this
> newsgroup that my style is superior to theirs. However, I must admit I am
> no T.S. Eliot.
>
> No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
> Am an attendant lord, one that will do
> To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
> Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
> Deferential, glad to be of use,
> Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
> Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
> At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
> Almost, at times, the Fool.
>
> - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" by T.S. Eliot.
>
> >> > R E A D E R S H I P: Endeavoring to seduce the readership into
> >> > sharing his myopic vision, Ed Dolan is stupefied by a twisted sense of
> >> > self-importance, bewitched by delusion and absorbed in his own wayward
> >> > drama. That about sums it up.
>
> >> It is ever my delight to tweak the denizens of this newsgroup. I shall
> >> continue to do so until the cows come home.
>
> > Thanks for making my point ... Jim McNaa.
>
> And my point too!
If could part your hair on the other side of your head, you'd cover up
that point ... that is, if you weren't bald.
Jim McNaa
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
|
| | | |
Date: 25 May 2007 23:39:42
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1179849966.420940.219410@r3g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 20, 3:24 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1179280236.194038.28670@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 7, 10:01 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:1178546571.123145.99010@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> >> [...]
>>
>> >> >> It is rude and insulting to the other members of the group who are
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> named
>> >> >> Tom who may stumble upon your message. Whatever you write to a
>> >> >> newsgroup
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> there for all the world to read - and to respond to. Any
>> >> >> individual
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> irrelevant, even one named Tom.
>>
>> >> > OK ED (et. al.) ... happy now? Your errant assumptions (your
>> >> > specialty) are:
>>
>> >> > 1. That the whole world reads this newsgroup ... total nonsense.
>>
>> >> Theoretically the whole world can read this newsgroup, so we must
>> >> write
>> >> as
>> >> though that were the case.
>>
>> > More of you meaningless prescriptive prattle? Theoretically most of
>> > the "whole world" couldn't care less about what goes on here. Your
>> > name is not Mr. Hoyle and you don't make the rules here.
>>
>> Obviously, Mr. McNaa does not understand the word 'theoretically'.
>
> Obviously, Mr. Dolan is stating an opinion as though it were fact.
> This is an errant assumption and nothing more. I realize what the
> word "theoretically" means, however a more appropriate choice of a
> word would have been ... hypothetically. Mr. Dolan has a tendency to
> live in a hypothetical realm rather that the real world in which the
> rest of us reside. The fact remains that only a fraction of the
> "whole world" reads what is posted here and only a fraction of those
> even care about what is written and read, and there is nothing
> "theoretical" about that.
Still, even if what you say is true, we MUST write as though the whole world
is reading what we say, Otherwise, we are being disrespectful to any
potential reader.
>> >> > 2. That any (implication all) individuals are irrelevant (I can
>> >> > think
>> >> > of one. Here's a hint. His intials are E.D.)
>>
>> >> Any given individual is irrelevant when viewed from the perspective of
>> >> the
>> >> group as whole.
>>
>> > By your own condemnation then ... you can consider yourself to be what
>> > the readership (the group as a whole) has considered you all along ...
>> > irrelevant!
>>
>> ANY individual in the grand scheme of things is irrelevant. Yes, this
>> includes me too!
>
> WOW ... a frank admission worthy for Bartlett's. Nope, I take that
> back. This does not qualify as a FAMILIAR QUOTATION, since it is a
> rarity for Mr. Dolan to admit to his own irrelevance. Nonetheless,
> this is a refreshing turn of events.
Mr. McNaa still does not grasp the essence of my humor. If he would
simply step back a ways from his own involvement, he would clearly see the
persona I am acting out here on ARBR.
>> >> > 3. That in addressing a single individual, this precludes a response
>> >> > from someone other than that individual (implied). Your own
>> >> > response
>> >> > refutes that.
>>
>> >> But it is not necessary to ever address a single individual. He may or
>> >> my
>> >> not read what you have written, but it is certain that others whom you
>> >> have
>> >> not addressed will read it. Show some consideration for the group, why
>> >> don't
>> >> you?
>>
>> > But there is no certainty if others will or will not read what is
>> > written
>> > either. One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for
>> > the group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration
>> > of the group.
>>
>> I write for the group, not for you or any other individual. Would that
>> you
>> would do likewise.
>
> But, many members of the group have repeatedly asked you to refrain
> and. to take leave of ARBR, so who then is lacking in consideration
> for the group? I repeat ... One who has demonstrated a complete lack
> of consideration for the group is in no position to lecture anyone
> else regarding consideration of the group
I do not pay any attention to what active members of this group say since
most are idiots in any event. I write for the ages and the yet unborn. Yea,
I have become a legend in my own mind.
>> >> > 4. That addressing a single individual is rude and insulting. This
>> >> > is your own personal opinion. If you are concerned about rude and
>> >> > insulting, I suggest that you go back and review some of your own
>> >> > posts for examples of what constitutes rude and insulting.
>>
>> >> I only insult those who deserve to be insulted based on their previous
>> >> messages. I write Usenet messages for the group; you write in essence
>> >> emails
>> >> to individuals. Show some consideration for the group, why don't you?
>> >> [...]
>>
>> > Speak into the microphone for the benefit of the audience. Care to
>> > guess which two fingers I'm holding up? Here is a clue ... BULLSHIT!
>> > One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for the
>> > group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration of
>> > the group.
>>
>> The group is always uppermost in my mind. That is the only reason I am on
>> a
>> newgroup in the first place.
>
> I refer you to the microphone reference above (read BULLSHIT!). If
> the group is always uppermost in your mind, then you would have left
> long ago as many members have requested repeatedly.
"I do not pay any attention to what active members of this group say since
most are idiots in any event. I write for the ages and the yet unborn. Yea,
I have become a legend in my own mind." - Ed Dolan
>> >> >> Nay, I am the housekeeper for this newsgroup and so every exception
>> >> >> must
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> made for one so Great as Myself. Besides, others can learn how not
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> post
>> >> >> from your very bad example and how to post from my very good
>> >> >> example.
>>
>> >> > Diversion duly noted. And to think that you often accuse Tom
>> >> > Sherman
>> >> > of never giving an inch. You often invite the readership to emulate
>> >> > you, so that means the readership is therefore entitled to every
>> >> > exception as well.
>>
>> >> As far as I know, Tom Sherman has never given an inch to anyone on
>> >> this
>> >> group - ever! It is a serious character and personality failing never
>> >> to
>> >> be
>> >> able to meet anyone halfway. I feel sorry for him.
>>
>> > Feel sorry for yourself then as well because you share the very same
>> > serious character flaw.
>>
>> Nay, I have more than met you halfway many times. But your delicate ego
>> wants me to me you the whole way. That can never be. However, I do
>> consider
>> you a normal person . Poor Mr. Sherman is not quite normal. It all
>> springs
>> from him being an ideologue of the worst sort.
>>
>> >> >> > You should refrain from instructing others as to how they should
>> >> >> > proceed until you yourself set a good example rather than break
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > very rules that you expect others to abide by. The conundrum
>> >> >> > continues.
>>
>> >> >> You obviously have not taken my signature to heart. I am Ed Dolan
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> Great
>> >> >> and therefore above and beyond all criticism.
>>
>> >> > I take nothing that you write seriously, but I will reiterate, you
>> >> > often invite the readership to emulate you, so that means that the
>> >> > readership is not subject to criticism so don't waste your breath.
>> >> > You'll need it to blow up your date!
>>
>> Others need to emulate my style. My content is beyond their
>> comprehension,
>> as it is yours.
>
> I'm thinking that the others of whom you speak would disagree on both
> accounts.
>
>> >> I have often invited the readership to emulate me in my form of
>> >> writing.
>> >> Since others are in no way exceptional, they should never strive to
>> >> emulate
>> >> me in any other way, most particularly when it comes to content.
>>
>> > Now why would a gifted writer ever want to emulate you and degrade the
>> > quality of their writing style? Content??? Your content consists of
>> > monotonous, regurgitated gibberish.
>>
>> Nope, you are whistling in the wind. I KNOW from reading others on this
>> newsgroup that my style is superior to theirs. However, I must admit I
>> am
>> no T.S. Eliot.
>>
>> No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
>> Am an attendant lord, one that will do
>> To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
>> Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
>> Deferential, glad to be of use,
>> Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
>> Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
>> At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
>> Almost, at times, the Fool.
>>
>> - "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" by T.S. Eliot.
>>
>> >> > R E A D E R S H I P: Endeavoring to seduce the readership into
>> >> > sharing his myopic vision, Ed Dolan is stupefied by a twisted sense
>> >> > of
>> >> > self-importance, bewitched by delusion and absorbed in his own
>> >> > wayward
>> >> > drama. That about sums it up.
>>
>> >> It is ever my delight to tweak the denizens of this newsgroup. I shall
>> >> continue to do so until the cows come home.
>>
>> > Thanks for making my point ... Jim McNaa.
>>
>> And my point too!
>
> If could part your hair on the other side of your head, you'd cover up
> that point ... that is, if you weren't bald.
Leave the humor to those to whom it comes naturally. That let's you and I
out.
By the way, the only wit this group ever had was a guy who went by the
moniker of "skip." I wonder whatever happened to him?
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
|
| | |
Date: 20 May 2007 07:15:07
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
On May 16, 9:57 pm, Edward Dolan wrote:
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in messagenews:1178584225.802602.6050@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Hey Ed,
>
[ >]> Your quoting format is severely messed up (which is why this is
top-
[ >]> posted) - try again so the quoting hierarchy makes sense.
I added the second layer of "greater than signs ( >)" to the above,
since it is something I wrote and Edward Dolan quoted when replying.
However, in his post [1], the " >" are missing, making it look like the
quote from my post was original composition from Edward Dolan. This is
not the case, as can be seen here [2].
> Nope, it is your messages which are messed up. I am not adding any ks to
> this message so you can see for yourself how you are messing up.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
Edward Dolan needs to fix the settings on Outlook or whatever he is
using to post messages.
[1] <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/
578bf35edbc074cb?dmode=source&hl=en >.
[2] <http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent/msg/
cd6404477c11d522?dmode=source&hl=en >.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
GHAWAR IS DYING!
|
| | | |
Date: 25 May 2007 23:52:43
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1179670507.639424.317220@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On May 16, 9:57 pm, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in
>> messagenews:1178584225.802602.6050@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> Hey Ed,
>>
> [>]> Your quoting format is severely messed up (which is why this is
> top-
> [>]> posted) - try again so the quoting hierarchy makes sense.
>
> I added the second layer of "greater than signs (>)" to the above,
> since it is something I wrote and Edward Dolan quoted when replying.
> However, in his post [1], the ">" are missing, making it look like the
> quote from my post was original composition from Edward Dolan. This is
> not the case, as can be seen here [2].
>
>> Nope, it is your messages which are messed up. I am not adding any ks
>> to
>> this message so you can see for yourself how you are messing up.
>
> Edward Dolan needs to fix the settings on Outlook or whatever he is
> using to post messages.
Nope, sorry, but it is your messages (only a few) which are messed up, not
mine. I can say this because I am not having this problem with any others on
this newsgroup.
I have always used Outlook Express for newsgroups and I have never had any
problems with it. But I must admit when I do occasionally use the Google web
page, I have all kinds of problems. Are you using the Google web page? If
so, why? Surely you should be using a proper newsreader like I am.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 17 Apr 2007 03:55:18
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1176482942.367731.171960@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 13, 5:38 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
>> Nope, I take every message on its merits regardless of who has written
>> it.
>> Say something sensible and that is what you will get back. Say something
>> stupid and nasty and that is what you will get back. Every message is sui
>> generis with me. I do not care enough about anyone on this group to hold
>> any
>> personal grudges. How could I since I do not know any of you - nor you
>> me!
>
> Ed Dolan knows us not but continually label us all idiots, morons,
> imbeciles, assholes and jerks. He claims to respect us but
> continually disrespect us. His own words betray his intentions and
> his lack of respect ... "All I ever want to do is to defeat and
> humiliate you."
I treat everyone as they deserve to be treated. You will get back exactly
what you give, no more and no less.
> Anyone who has been here for any length of time knows Ed Dolan for
> what and who he is. If one looks beyond the superfluous, pleonastic
> drivel of the ubiquitous equal opportunity annoyer, one realizes that
> for Ed, the computer and the Internet are merely tools that fill a
> social void. By his own admission, Ed lives detached in reclusive
> solitude, devoid of real-life interpersonal relationships. Forums are
> Ed's cyberspace playpen and serve as ersatz social interaction that
> only momentarily disrupts his otherwise self-sequestered isolation.
> When he has departed, Dolan's monotonous, excursive, scatological
> harangues will be relegated to the status of cyber-coprolite!
"I treat everyone as they deserve to be treated. You will get back exactly
what you give, no more and no less." - Ed Dolan
> When he has departed, ...
Once I wasn't, Then I was, Now I ain't again.
- Epitaph found on tombstone in Ohio graveyard
And so it will be for Jim McNaa and everyone else who has ever lived on
this earth. But while I am here, I am having more fun than Jim McNaa -
and so I win and he loses.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
PS. I LOVE solitude. Whatever made you think that I don't? Usenet is
nothing but fun and games to me. What is it to you, pray tell?
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Date: 08 Apr 2007 09:27:50
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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On Apr 7, 6:58 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1175561139.666290.163040@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...> On 30, 11:19 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> However, if and when I ever do respond to a message of Eco I will read it
> >> in
> >> full and quote it in full in my response, which is more than can be said
> >> for
> >> some of the idiots on this newsgroup. I am ever respectful of the members
> >> of
> >> this group no matter how much despise them.
>
> > So Ed Dolan respects those whom he despises. Now there's an interesting
> > contradiction. The conundrum continues.
>
> I will respect their messages no matter how much I despise their persons.
> What is there about this that you do not understand?
Well specifically this ... what does respect of messages entail? If
you have no respect for and castigate all who are here (and you do),
and you do likewise with what they write, where's then is the
respect? If you have any, then show some. I for one have no respect
for you, because you have respect only for yourself and I find that
rather telling.
Jim McNaa
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 15 May 2007 18:50:36
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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On May 7, 10:01 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1178546571.123145.99010@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> [...]
>
> >> It is rude and insulting to the other members of the group who are not
> >> named
> >> Tom who may stumble upon your message. Whatever you write to a newsgroup
> >> is
> >> there for all the world to read - and to respond to. Any individual is
> >> irrelevant, even one named Tom.
>
> > OK ED (et. al.) ... happy now? Your errant assumptions (your
> > specialty) are:
>
> > 1. That the whole world reads this newsgroup ... total nonsense.
>
> Theoretically the whole world can read this newsgroup, so we must write as
> though that were the case.
More of you meaningless prescriptive prattle? Theoretically most of
the "whole world" couldn't care less about what goes on here. Your
name is not Mr. Hoyle and you don't make the rules here.
> > 2. That any (implication all) individuals are irrelevant (I can think
> > of one. Here's a hint. His intials are E.D.)
>
> Any given individual is irrelevant when viewed from the perspective of the
> group as whole.
By your own condemnation then ... you can consider yourself to be what
the readership (the group as a whole) has considered you all along ...
irrelevant!
> > 3. That in addressing a single individual, this precludes a response
> > from someone other than that individual (implied). Your own response
> > refutes that.
>
> But it is not necessary to ever address a single individual. He may or my
> not read what you have written, but it is certain that others whom you have
> not addressed will read it. Show some consideration for the group, why don't
> you?
But there is no certainty if will or will not read what is written
either. One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for
the group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration
of the group.
> > 4. That addressing a single individual is rude and insulting. This
> > is your own personal opinion. If you are concerned about rude and
> > insulting, I suggest that you go back and review some of your own
> > posts for examples of what constitutes rude and insulting.
>
> I only insult those who deserve to be insulted based on their previous
> messages. I write Usenet messages for the group; you write in essence emails
> to individuals. Show some consideration for the group, why don't you?
> [...]
Speak into the microphone for the benefit of the audience. Care to
guess which two fingers I'm holding up? Here is a clue ... BULLSHIT!
One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for the
group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration of
the group.
> >> Nay, I am the housekeeper for this newsgroup and so every exception must
> >> be
> >> made for one so Great as Myself. Besides, others can learn how not to
> >> post
> >> from your very bad example and how to post from my very good example.
>
> > Diversion duly noted. And to think that you often accuse Tom Sherman
> > of never giving an inch. You often invite the readership to emulate
> > you, so that means the readership is therefore entitled to every
> > exception as well.
>
> As far as I know, Tom Sherman has never given an inch to anyone on this
> group - ever! It is a serious character and personality failing never to be
> able to meet anyone halfway. I feel sorry for him.
Feel sorry for yourself then as well because you share the very same
serious character flaw.
> >> > You should refrain from instructing others as to how they should
> >> > proceed until you yourself set a good example rather than break the
> >> > very rules that you expect others to abide by. The conundrum
> >> > continues.
>
> >> You obviously have not taken my signature to heart. I am Ed Dolan the
> >> Great
> >> and therefore above and beyond all criticism.
>
> > I take nothing that you write seriously, but I will reiterate, you
> > often invite the readership to emulate you, so that means that the
> > readership is not subject to criticism so don't waste your breath.
> > You'll need it to blow up your date!
>
> I have often invited the readership to emulate me in my form of writing.
> Since others are in no way exceptional, they should never strive to emulate
> me in any other way, most particularly when it comes to content.
Now why would a gifted writer ever want to emulate you and degrade the
quality of their writing style? Content??? Your content consists of
monotonous, regurgitated gibberish.
> > R E A D E R S H I P: Endeavoring to seduce the readership into
> > sharing his myopic vision, Ed Dolan is stupefied by a twisted sense of
> > self-importance, bewitched by delusion and absorbed in his own wayward
> > drama. That about sums it up.
>
> It is ever my delight to tweak the denizens of this newgroup. I shall
> continue to do so until the cows come home.
Thanks for making my point ... Jim McNaa.
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 20 May 2007 03:24:17
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1179280236.194038.28670@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On May 7, 10:01 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1178546571.123145.99010@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> [...]
>>
>> >> It is rude and insulting to the other members of the group who are not
>> >> named
>> >> Tom who may stumble upon your message. Whatever you write to a
>> >> newsgroup
>> >> is
>> >> there for all the world to read - and to respond to. Any individual
>> >> is
>> >> irrelevant, even one named Tom.
>>
>> > OK ED (et. al.) ... happy now? Your errant assumptions (your
>> > specialty) are:
>>
>> > 1. That the whole world reads this newsgroup ... total nonsense.
>>
>> Theoretically the whole world can read this newsgroup, so we must write
>> as
>> though that were the case.
>
> More of you meaningless prescriptive prattle? Theoretically most of
> the "whole world" couldn't care less about what goes on here. Your
> name is not Mr. Hoyle and you don't make the rules here.
Obviously, Mr. McNaa does not understand the word 'theoretically'.
>> > 2. That any (implication all) individuals are irrelevant (I can think
>> > of one. Here's a hint. His intials are E.D.)
>>
>> Any given individual is irrelevant when viewed from the perspective of
>> the
>> group as whole.
>
> By your own condemnation then ... you can consider yourself to be what
> the readership (the group as a whole) has considered you all along ...
> irrelevant!
ANY individual in the grand scheme of things is irrelevant. Yes, this
includes me too!
>> > 3. That in addressing a single individual, this precludes a response
>> > from someone other than that individual (implied). Your own response
>> > refutes that.
>>
>> But it is not necessary to ever address a single individual. He may or my
>> not read what you have written, but it is certain that others whom you
>> have
>> not addressed will read it. Show some consideration for the group, why
>> don't
>> you?
>
> But there is no certainty if will or will not read what is written
> either. One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for
> the group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration
> of the group.
I write for the group, not for you or any other individual. Would that you
would do likewise.
>> > 4. That addressing a single individual is rude and insulting. This
>> > is your own personal opinion. If you are concerned about rude and
>> > insulting, I suggest that you go back and review some of your own
>> > posts for examples of what constitutes rude and insulting.
>>
>> I only insult those who deserve to be insulted based on their previous
>> messages. I write Usenet messages for the group; you write in essence
>> emails
>> to individuals. Show some consideration for the group, why don't you?
>> [...]
>
> Speak into the microphone for the benefit of the audience. Care to
> guess which two fingers I'm holding up? Here is a clue ... BULLSHIT!
> One who has demonstrated a complete lack of consideration for the
> group is in no position to lecture anyone else about consideration of
> the group.
The group is always uppermost in my mind. That is the only reason I am on a
newgroup in the first place.
>> >> Nay, I am the housekeeper for this newsgroup and so every exception
>> >> must
>> >> be
>> >> made for one so Great as Myself. Besides, others can learn how not to
>> >> post
>> >> from your very bad example and how to post from my very good example.
>>
>> > Diversion duly noted. And to think that you often accuse Tom Sherman
>> > of never giving an inch. You often invite the readership to emulate
>> > you, so that means the readership is therefore entitled to every
>> > exception as well.
>>
>> As far as I know, Tom Sherman has never given an inch to anyone on this
>> group - ever! It is a serious character and personality failing never to
>> be
>> able to meet anyone halfway. I feel sorry for him.
>
> Feel sorry for yourself then as well because you share the very same
> serious character flaw.
Nay, I have more than met you halfway many times. But your delicate ego
wants me to me you the whole way. That can never be. However, I do consider
you a normal person . Poor Mr. Sherman is not quite normal. It all springs
from him being an ideologue of the worst sort.
>> >> > You should refrain from instructing others as to how they should
>> >> > proceed until you yourself set a good example rather than break the
>> >> > very rules that you expect others to abide by. The conundrum
>> >> > continues.
>>
>> >> You obviously have not taken my signature to heart. I am Ed Dolan the
>> >> Great
>> >> and therefore above and beyond all criticism.
>>
>> > I take nothing that you write seriously, but I will reiterate, you
>> > often invite the readership to emulate you, so that means that the
>> > readership is not subject to criticism so don't waste your breath.
>> > You'll need it to blow up your date!
Others need to emulate my style. My content is beyond their comprehension,
as it is yours.
>> I have often invited the readership to emulate me in my form of writing.
>> Since others are in no way exceptional, they should never strive to
>> emulate
>> me in any other way, most particularly when it comes to content.
>
> Now why would a gifted writer ever want to emulate you and degrade the
> quality of their writing style? Content??? Your content consists of
> monotonous, regurgitated gibberish.
Nope, you are whistling in the wind. I KNOW from reading others on this
newsgroup that my style is superior to theirs. However, I must admit I am
no T.S. Eliot.
No! I am not Prince Hamlet, nor was meant to be;
Am an attendant lord, one that will do
To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
Deferential, glad to be of use,
Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
At times, indeed, almost ridiculous-
Almost, at times, the Fool.
- "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" by T.S. Eliot.
>> > R E A D E R S H I P: Endeavoring to seduce the readership into
>> > sharing his myopic vision, Ed Dolan is stupefied by a twisted sense of
>> > self-importance, bewitched by delusion and absorbed in his own wayward
>> > drama. That about sums it up.
>>
>> It is ever my delight to tweak the denizens of this newgroup. I shall
>> continue to do so until the cows come home.
>
> Thanks for making my point ... Jim McNaa.
And my point too!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 07 May 2007 17:30:25
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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Hey Ed,
Your quoting format is severely messed up (which is why this is top-
posted) - try again so the quoting hierarchy makes sense.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
On May 7, 10:53 am, Edward Dolan wrote:
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in messagenews:1178326191.945529.1256=
20@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On May 4, 2:11 pm, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
>
>
>
> > >> Still, engineers are not exactly working class. They have got to be
> > >> paid
> > >> a
> > >> professional middle class salary.
>
> > > Actually, when I was working in a place with unionized hourly workers,
> > > the technicians I was supervising were making one-third to one-half
> > > MORE per year than I was, since they received overtime, while I
> > > received no additional compensation (the Fair Labor Standards Act does
> > > not apply to most workers with professional positions, even if they
> > > are entry level). After finishing graduate school, I was making a
> > > real wage of less than $15/hour.
>
> > It is the sacrifice that one makes while learning on the job. I am SURE
> > you
> > are presently very well paid.
>
> With a graduate degree and more than 5 years professional experience,
> I still make a real wage of less than $20/hour (and my salary is
> comparable to others with similar education and experience). This is
> in an area where a single bedroom condominium will run more than
> $150,000 and a 30 year old bungalow on a small lot can be over
> $200,000.
>
> >>>>You need to find a less expensive area of the country to live and work
> >>>>in. I suggest Idaho or West Virginia. A very nice house was recently =
for
> >>>>sale in a very small town in NW Iowa for $5000. and the owner could =
not
> >>>>sell it because no one wanted to live in that very small town.
>
> The US middle class would benefit greatly if Eisenhower Republicans
> (or even Nixon/Ford Republicans) were running the country, as both
> regimes were to the left of Clinton on economic and social policy (and
> of course Reagan, Bush I and Cheney are far to the right of the
> aforementioned administrations). Eisenhower would be a radical
> socialist by the standards set in the corporate media by right-wing
> "think-tank" economists and pundits (that are funded a few VERY RICH
> families).
>
> >>>>It was a different world back in the Eisenhower days.
> > >> > Due to various types of mercantile behavior by capital, housing
> > >> > prices
> > >> > have increased far more than wages. No longer can most afford to b=
uy
> > >> > a
> > >> > house until they have worked 10 to 15 years, unless they obtain fu=
nds
> > >> > beyond wages (e.g. gifts or inheritance from parents).
> >>>>Housing costs have gone totally insane I must admit. I lived in a 2
> >>>>bedroom upper floor apartment of a single family house when I went to
> >>>>college in Minneapolis for $55. a month. This was split with my
> >>>>roommate. Later when I moved to NYC, I lived in an 1 bedroom apartment
> >>>>for again $55. a month. It seemed I always had lots of free spending
> >>>>money for everything else even though I was paid only about $5000. a
> >>>>year.
>
> [...]
>
> > There will ALWAYS be money to pay for Social Security and Medicare. If =
we
> > had universal health care, there would ALWAYS be money to pay for that
> > too.
> > Why? Because it is what the vast majority of folks value the most. There
> > are
> > any number of fixes that will ensure these social safety nets. One I can
> > think of right off the bat is to make these programs means tested. Rich
> > folks don't need them, so why should they get them?
>
> The rich will buy a government that believes in socialism for capital
> and the free ket for labor.
>
> If large corporations are in trouble (e.g. airlines after 9/11/01,
> Chrysler in the late 1970's) the government will step in to see that
> they do not fail (while letting same corporations lay off workers). If
> an individual gets in trouble, the government will send a sheriff's
> deputy to post a foreclosure notice on the house, and then evict the
> owner.
>
> >>>>If a sufficiently large corporation collapses, it can cause the entire
> >>>>nation much trouble whereas an individual collapse will never be
> >>>>noticed - unless it happens to millions of others at the same time.
> > > With the stress and working hours that most employees see, many will
> > > not live to the ever increasing retirement age.
>
> > Retirement age cannot be stretched much. I burned out by age 65 and so =
did
> > everyone else that I know. Dole was too old to ever be president and so
> > was
> > Reagan if truth be told. McCain is also too old.
>
> So what if people die before they retire? By the "conventional
> wisdom", it is their fault for not earning enough to retire early. For
> what its worth, I will not be eligible for full Social Security and
> Medicare benefits until I am 70 (unless this is raised even higher).
>
> >>>>To hell with "full" Social Security. Take what you can get at your
> >>>>earliest opportunity. Trust me on this, most folks cannot keep going
> >>>>much past the age of 65.
>
> [...]
>
> > Capital creates wealth, but it must be balanced by labor. Society does =
not
> > work well if one or the other gets the upper hand. We also want governm=
ent
> > to mediate and set the rules.
>
> Those that fund the elections of Congress and own the media want
> capital to have life and death power over labor. "You comply with our
> rules, or starve in the street". Thus, the gutting of the social
> safety net over the last three decades, under the guise of "personal
> responsibility".
>
> >>>>The major media are quite left of center and very sympathetic to labo=
r=2E
> >>>>You are worried needlessly about Social Security. Most Americans are
> >>>>Democrats, not Republicans. If the Dems would ever get their heads
> >>>>screwed on straight on the issue of national defense, they would sweep
> >>>>the country just like they used to.
>
> [...]
>
> >> Things will have to get worse before they get better. We are of course
> >> going
> > to end up like all the European welfare states, which is not a bad thing
> > at
> > all. I think all this recent immigration will hurry things along as the
> > social fabric begins to break.
>
> Or the US could end up like Colombia, with a broken social fabric, an
> immensely wealthy and powerful (relative to the general population)
> ruling class, a sham democracy where effective opposition politicians,
> journalists, labor activists, etc. are regularly gunned down by right-
> wing terrorist death squads with the complicit support of the police
> and military, an immense lower class living in squalor, and a decades
> long low-level civil war.
>
> >>>>Nope, that will never happen, at least not in our lifetime. Third wor=
ld
> >>>>peoples are incapable of democracy and republican forms of government.
> >>>>We see that now being played out in Iraq. Frankly, I was wrong in tha=
t I
> >>>>thought that the Arabs of Iraq would welcome a chance for some freedom
> >>>>and democracy. But they don't - just like all third world peoples
> >>>>don't. They prefer to be subjects, not citizens. So be it.
> > I note that the French only work a 35 hour week. As much as I hate the
> > French, this seems like a very good idea to me. When I last had a job in
> > NYC
> > in another life time I only worked a 35 hour week and it went swimmingl=
y=2E
> > In
> > fact, in the summer it reduced to a 30 hour week. Now that is more like
> > it!
>
> 30 hours is 2=BD to 3 days of work.
>
>
>
> >>>>30 hours is 30 hours, enough for any sane man to want to work at a jo=
b=2E
> > >> The American health care system is broken beyond repair. If I did not
> > >> have
> > >> the VA to take care of me, I would now be on welfare. The way things
> > >> are
> > >> going, if I live another 10 years, I will be on welfare anyway.
>
> > > Get sick; lose your job and income, then your house and all your
> > > savings. This is the 21st Century "American Nighte" that has
> > > replaced the "American Dream" of upward social/economic mobility.
>
> > Yes, I do agree with Mr. Sherman on the above scenario as I have seen it
> > play out right here in Worthington. I might even vote Democrat if I knew
> > FOR
> > SURE they would give this nation universal health care. It is really qu=
ite
> > a
> > scandal that we do not have it.
>
> The only Democratic candidates seriously proposing single-payer
> universal coverage are Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and Al Sharpton,
> none of whom have a real chance of getting nominated (if the powers
> that be in the party have any say in the matter).
>
> >>>>The 3 you list above are all screwballs, and that is the problem. It =
is
> >>>>matter of priorities. National defense comes before all else. I will
> >>>>almost surely vote Republican yet once again because of that single
> >>>>issue.
> >>>>Regards,
> >>>>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 May 2007 21:57:10
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1178584225.802602.6050@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Hey Ed,
Your quoting format is severely messed up (which is why this is top-
posted) - try again so the quoting hierarchy makes sense.
Nope, it is your messages which are messed up. I am not adding any ks to
this message so you can see for yourself how you are messing up.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 13 Apr 2007 05:38:06
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1176049670.224181.30280@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 7, 6:58 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1175561139.666290.163040@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...> On 30,
>> 11:19 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> >> However, if and when I ever do respond to a message of Eco I will read
>> >> it
>> >> in
>> >> full and quote it in full in my response, which is more than can be
>> >> said
>> >> for
>> >> some of the idiots on this newsgroup. I am ever respectful of the
>> >> members
>> >> of
>> >> this group no matter how much despise them.
>>
>> > So Ed Dolan respects those whom he despises. Now there's an
>> > interesting
>> > contradiction. The conundrum continues.
>>
>> I will respect their messages no matter how much I despise their persons.
>> What is there about this that you do not understand?
>
> Well specifically this ... what does respect of messages entail? If
> you have no respect for and castigate all who are here (and you do),
> and you do likewise with what they write, where's then is the
> respect? If you have any, then show some. I for one have no respect
> for you, because you have respect only for yourself and I find that
> rather telling.
Nope, I take every message on its merits regardless of who has written it.
Say something sensible and that is what you will get back. Say something
stupid and nasty and that is what you will get back. Every message is sui
generis with me. I do not care enough about anyone on this group to hold any
personal grudges. How could I since I do not know any of you - nor you me!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 02 Apr 2007 17:45:39
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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On 30, 11:19 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1175308399.346125.114430@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On 29, 8:58 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> <eco_milage_buster_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1175205104.161156.99120@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > Jeff Grippe wrote:
>
> >> >> No, Ed. The group has clearly expressed its opinion on the matter. You
> >> >> are
> >> >> taking advantage of the fact that it is an unmoderated public space.
> >> >> We
> >> >> have
> >> >> actual people like that in New York who stand around and scream about
> >> >> whatever is pissing them off. They are generally not considered
> >> >> welcome
> >> >> but
> >> >> if their behavior falls within certain limits, there is nothing that
> >> >> can
> >> >> be
> >> >> done.
>
> >> >> The difference between you and them is that they (and I'm guessing
> >> >> here
> >> >> because I've never actually talked to one) can't control their
> >> >> behavior.
> >> >> They have no sense of how their behavior effects others or they simply
> >> >> don't
> >> >> care. Now for all I know there may be no real difference between you
> >> >> and
> >> >> them but you are capable of understanding what the group has said on
> >> >> the
> >> >> subject.
>
> >> >> Go in peace Ed.
> >> > Obviously cross posted humorously! You think he can ride a bike?
> >> > LOL! Congratulations and thanks Jeff for sticking up for this
> >> > tranportation discussion group; not a name caller-politic-brain dead
> >> > group. A group of many members that clearly discusses correct subjects
> >> > as they appear on the title.
>
> >> Eco is your typical ARBR member. He is not st, but he is not dumb
> >> either.
> >> I have no objection to him other than that he will never post a message
> >> that
> >> I will want to read.
>
> > So, by his own admission, Ed Dolan doesn't read ECO's posts and yet
> > he has managed to formulate an opinion about ECO as one who is not
> > st, but not dumb either. Well just how st or how dumb dumb is
> > that? No one will ever accuse Ed Dolan of having an informed
> > opinion. The conundrum continues.
>
> Well, I do not have to read every last post of Eco to know what to expect of
> him - any more than I do you. Nay, a small sample is more than enough to
> get the gist of the quality of a member of ARBR.
>
> However, if and when I ever do respond to a message of Eco I will read it in
> full and quote it in full in my response, which is more than can be said for
> some of the idiots on this newsgroup. I am ever respectful of the members of
> this group no matter how much despise them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
So Ed Dolan respects those who he despise. Now there's an interesting
contradiction. The conundrum continues.
Jim McNaa
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Date: 07 May 2007 07:02:51
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
On May 4, 1:23 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1178248689.122526.123100@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 2, 6:53 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1177718561.154820.229200@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>
> >> > Tom,
>
> >> > Well expressed, although I suspect that Ed Dolan will neither
> >> > comprehend nor agree with you of course. He is a stubborn dunderhead
> >> > down to the molecular level.
>
> >> I have always maintained from day one that Mr. Sherman is no idiot.
> >> However,
> >> he occasionally acts like an idiot on this group when he lets his sense
> >> of
> >> humor run away from his sense.
>
> >> > P.S. I can just hear it all now ... ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS ...
> >> > and ... Jim has never learned the difference between newsgroups and
> >> > email ... you know that old broken record bullshit that the grate
> >> > (sic) one regurgitates.
>
> >> Was not the above message addressed to the entire newsgroup, or just Tom?
> >> If addressed to just Tom, then you should have sent him an email. Why
> >> bother
> >> the entire group if you are addressing just one person?
>
> > Ed (yep this is priily for you, but still of benefit to the
> > readership),
>
> It is not necessary nor even appropriate to address anyone by name when on
> Usenet. Poor Jim has never understood the difference between Usenet and
> email.
OK, Ed... oops I did it again. Poor Ed has never understood that I
know the difference between Usenet and email. I'm a retired IT
professional after all. I just don't dance to the music Dolan is a
playin' ... never have and never will.
> > Yep, your reply was just as predicted. To answer your question, my
> > comment was for the entire newsgroup but was priily directed to Tom
> > and secondarily to you. Your response would seem to indicate that you
> > realized that. So what is it that you are priily objecting to
> > specifically ... my salutation?
>
> It is rude and insulting to the other members of the group who are not named
> Tom who may stumble upon your message. Whatever you write to a newsgroup is
> there for all the world to read - and to respond to. Any individual is
> irrelevant, even one named Tom.
OK ED (et. al.) ... happy now? Your errant assumptions (your
specialty) are:
1. That the whole world reads this newsgroup ... total nonsense.
2. That any (implication all) individuals are irrelevant (I can think
of one. Here's a hint. His intials are E.D.)
3. That in addressing a single individual, this precludes a response
from somone other than that individual (implied). Your own response
refutes that.
4. That addressing a single individual is rude and insulting. This
is your own personal opinion. If you are concerned about rude and
insulting, I suggest that you go back and review some of your own
posts for examples of what constitutes rude and insulting.
> Is that the only particular that
>
> > designates specifically who is being addressed? In your reply, you
> > wrote ... If addressed to just Tom, then YOU should have sent him an
> > email. Why bother the entire group if YOU are addressing just one
> > person? The operative words here are in UPPER CASE. Were you not
> > specifically addressing me and me alone? Employing your own login
> > then, should you not have sent me your response via private email?
>
> Nay, I am the housekeeper for this newsgroup and so every exception must be
> made for one so Great as Myself. Besides, others can learn how not to post
> from your very bad example and how to post from my very good example.
Diversion duly noted. And to think that you often accuse Tom Sherman
of never giving an inch. You often invite the readership to emulate
you, so that means the readership is therefore entitled to every
exception as well.
> > You should refrain from instructing others as to how they should
> > proceed until you yourself set a good example rather than break the
> > very rules that you expect others to abide by. The conundrum
> > continues.
>
> You obviously have not taken my signature to heart. I am Ed Dolan the Great
> and therefore above and beyond all criticism.
I take nothing that you write seriously, but I will reiterate, you
often invite the readership to emulate you, so that means that the
readership is not subject to criticism so don't waste your breath.
You'll need it to blow up your date!
R E A D E R S H I P: Endeavoring to seduce the readership into
sharing his myopic vision, Ed Dolan is stupefied by a twisted sense of
self-importance, bewitched by delusion and absorbed in his own wayward
drama. That about sums it up.
Jim McNaa
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 07 May 2007 10:01:53
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1178546571.123145.99010@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
[...]
>> It is rude and insulting to the other members of the group who are not
>> named
>> Tom who may stumble upon your message. Whatever you write to a newsgroup
>> is
>> there for all the world to read - and to respond to. Any individual is
>> irrelevant, even one named Tom.
>
> OK ED (et. al.) ... happy now? Your errant assumptions (your
> specialty) are:
>
> 1. That the whole world reads this newsgroup ... total nonsense.
Theoretically the whole world can read this newsgroup, so we must write as
though that were the case.
> 2. That any (implication all) individuals are irrelevant (I can think
> of one. Here's a hint. His intials are E.D.)
Any given individual is irrelevant when viewed from the perspective of the
group as whole.
> 3. That in addressing a single individual, this precludes a response
> from somone other than that individual (implied). Your own response
> refutes that.
But it is not necessary to ever address a single individual. He may or my
not read what you have written, but it is certain that others whom you have
not addressed will read it. Show some consideration for the group, why don't
you?
> 4. That addressing a single individual is rude and insulting. This
> is your own personal opinion. If you are concerned about rude and
> insulting, I suggest that you go back and review some of your own
> posts for examples of what constitutes rude and insulting.
I only insult those who deserve to be insulted based on their previous
messages. I write Usenet messages for the group; you write in essence emails
to individuals. Show some consideration for the group, why don't you?
[...]
>> Nay, I am the housekeeper for this newsgroup and so every exception must
>> be
>> made for one so Great as Myself. Besides, others can learn how not to
>> post
>> from your very bad example and how to post from my very good example.
>
> Diversion duly noted. And to think that you often accuse Tom Sherman
> of never giving an inch. You often invite the readership to emulate
> you, so that means the readership is therefore entitled to every
> exception as well.
As far as I know, Tom Sherman has never given an inch to anyone on this
group - ever! It is a serious character and personality failing never to be
able to meet anyone halfway. I feel sorry for him.
>> > You should refrain from instructing others as to how they should
>> > proceed until you yourself set a good example rather than break the
>> > very rules that you expect others to abide by. The conundrum
>> > continues.
>>
>> You obviously have not taken my signature to heart. I am Ed Dolan the
>> Great
>> and therefore above and beyond all criticism.
>
> I take nothing that you write seriously, but I will reiterate, you
> often invite the readership to emulate you, so that means that the
> readership is not subject to criticism so don't waste your breath.
> You'll need it to blow up your date!
I have often invited the readership to emulate me in my form of writing.
Since others are in no way exceptional, they should never strive to emulate
me in any other way, most particularly when it comes to content.
> R E A D E R S H I P: Endeavoring to seduce the readership into
> sharing his myopic vision, Ed Dolan is stupefied by a twisted sense of
> self-importance, bewitched by delusion and absorbed in his own wayward
> drama. That about sums it up.
It is ever my delight to tweak the denizens of this newgroup. I shall
continue to do so until the cows come home.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 04 May 2007 17:49:51
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
On May 4, 2:11 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote in message=
news:1178239956.052544.298020@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On May 2, 6:42 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> >> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >> messagenews:1177576289.638257.69120@o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Apr 25, 3:30 am, Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> >> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in
> >> >> messagenews:1177177941.877819.269420@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >> > On Apr 21, 8:54 am, JimmyMac aka Jim McNaa wrote:
>
> >> >> >> Will someone please translate Dolan's mother tongue for him. How
> >> >> >> this
> >> >> >> fool ever held a job as a librarian defies comprehension...
>
> >> >> > Held for how long?
>
> >> >> Long enough to know that it was a dead end. Anyone who works at one
> >> >> job
> >> >> all
> >> >> of their lives is an idiot! In fact, anyone who works at however ma=
ny
> >> >> jobs
> >> >> ALL of their lives is stupid beyond belief.
>
> >> >> > Remember, Mr. Ed the Grate has spent much of his life living on
> >> >> > rental
> >> >> > income on properties he inherited.
>
> >> >> Don't you wish you could have done the same? The fact that you are
> >> >> unried
> >> >> and thus not stuck with a wife and kids to support and yet do not s=
eem
> >> >> to
> >> >> be
> >> >> rolling in money and living the life of Riley strikes me as being v=
ery
> >> >> curious. You must not know how to manage money as I know civil
> >> >> engineers
> >> >> are
> >> >> paid very well indeed. I suspect Mr. Sherman has secret expensive
> >> >> vices
> >> >> which accounts for his lack of success in life.....
>
> >> > What Ed Dolan knows is, at best, 40 or more years out of date.
>
> >> > In Ed Dolan's student days, college was practically free, while over
> >> > the past quarter century tuition, fees and student housing have
> >> > increased in price at several times the overall rate of inflation.
> >> > This has been accompanied by commensurate CUTS in student aid. No
> >> > longer can one finish college relatively debt free.
>
> >> Yes. Mr. Sherman is quite right about the above. I must admit, I could
> >> never
> >> afford to go to college these days without accumulating a stupendous
> >> debt. I
> >> remember debates at the time on how all of higher education would some
> >> day
> >> be free. The University of California system was in fact almost free in
> >> the
> >> 50's and 60's. I think there was only a very minimal student fee.
> >> However,
> >> Reagan as governor changed all of that.
>
> >> > Secondly, back when Ed Dolan participated in the real world,
> >> > engineering was considered a profession, and it was considered
> >> > unethical to bid or select work based solely on price. Now it is
> >> > considered a commodity, with work being solely awarded on price. To
> >> > maintain profits [1], something had to give, and it was wages [2]. In
> >> > addition, work is being "outsourced", with only final review being
> >> > done in the US in many cases.
>
> >> Still, engineers are not exactly working class. They have got to be pa=
id
> >> a
> >> professional middle class salary.
>
> > Actually, when I was working in a place with unionized hourly workers,
> > the technicians I was supervising were making one-third to one-half
> > MORE per year than I was, since they received overtime, while I
> > received no additional compensation (the Fair Labor Standards Act does
> > not apply to most workers with professional positions, even if they
> > are entry level). After finishing graduate school, I was making a
> > real wage of less than $15/hour.
>
> It is the sacrifice that one makes while learning on the job. I am SURE =
you
> are presently very well paid.
With a graduate degree and more than 5 years professional experience,
I still make a real wage of less than $20/hour (and my salary is
comparable to others with similar education and experience). This is
in an area where a single bedroom condominium will run more than
$150,000 and a 30 year old bungalow on a small lot can be over
$200,000.
The US middle class would benefit greatly if Eisenhower Republicans
(or even Nixon/Ford Republicans) were running the country, as both
regimes were to the left of Clinton on economic and social policy (and
of course Reagan, Bush I and Cheney are far to the right of the
aforementioned administrations). Eisenhower would be a radical
socialist by the standards set in the corporate media by right-wing
"think-tank" economists and pundits (that are funded a few VERY RICH
families).
> >> > Due to various types of mercantile behavior by capital, housing pric=
es
> >> > have increased far more than wages. No longer can most afford to buy=
a
> >> > house until they have worked 10 to 15 years, unless they obtain funds
> >> > beyond wages (e.g. gifts or inheritance from parents).
>
> >> Everyone borrows like crazy to get whatever they need or want in the U=
S=2E
> >> Believe it or not, I have never had a credit card in my life nor have I
> >> ever
> >> purchased anything on a time payment basis. Consequently, I have no
> >> credit
> >> worthiness at all. My genius is that I have managed to fall through ev=
ery
> >> safety net in society. I do not even have Social Security, let alone
> >> Medicare. This is what happens to you when you do not play the game th=
at
> >> society requires you to play.
>
> >> > Similarly, during Mr. Dolan's short working life, employers provided
> >> > health care and pensions. Regarding health care, deductibles and
> >> > employee contributions were minimal or non-existent. Now, the cost is
> >> > increasingly shifted to the employee, combined with costs rising much
> >> > more than overall inflation and wages. [3] Similarly, other than a
> >> > small matching contribution to 401K plans, it is the employees'
> >> > responsibility to save for retirement (if he/she is lucky enough to
> >> > live that long).
>
> >> Mr. Sherman will have Social Security and Medicare if nothing else and=
he
> >> will be able to live on that, especially if he remains single and with=
out
> >> any children to drag him down.
>
> > Social Security and Medicare are politically "untouchable", UNLESS
> > there is no money to pay for them. Do you think that the massive
> > deficit spending is an accident? When the crunch comes, spending for
> > everything but the military and interest on the debt (paid mostly to
> > the wealthy, of course) will be cut.
>
> There will ALWAYS be money to pay for Social Security and Medicare. If we
> had universal health care, there would ALWAYS be money to pay for that to=
o=2E
> Why? Because it is what the vast majority of folks value the most. There =
are
> any number of fixes that will ensure these social safety nets. One I can
> think of right off the bat is to make these programs means tested. Rich
> folks don't need them, so why should they get them?
The rich will buy a government that believes in socialism for capital
and the free ket for labor.
If large corporations are in trouble (e.g. airlines after 9/11/01,
Chrysler in the late 1970's) the government will step in to see that
they do not fail (while letting same corporations lay off workers). If
an individual gets in trouble, the government will send a sheriff's
deputy to post a foreclosure notice on the house, and then evict the
owner.
> > With the stress and working hours that most employees see, many will
> > not live to the ever increasing retirement age.
>
> Retirement age cannot be stretched much. I burned out by age 65 and so did
> everyone else that I know. Dole was too old to ever be president and so w=
as
> Reagan if truth be told. McCain is also too old.
So what if people die before they retire? By the "conventional
wisdom", it is their fault for not earning enough to retire early. For
what its worth, I will not be eligible for full Social Security and
Medicare benefits until I am 70 (unless this is raised even higher).
> >> > Four decades ago, capital declared class war on labor. With a clever
> >> > combination of "divide and conquer" (based on ethnic and religious
> >> > differences), "think tank" funding, purchasing the major media
> >> > outlets, political advertising (and the related legalized bribery of
> >> > campaign contributions), capital has won. For most, the "American
> >> > Dream" that existed in the 1950's to early 1970's, when many joined
> >> > the middle class, is now dead.
>
> >> Well, I remember what happened back in the 50's when labor seemed to h=
ave
> >> the upper hand. Everything was damned expensive if it was union made.
> >> Thank
> >> God for the Wal-ts of the world.
>
> > As worker productivity increases, wages fall for all but upper
> > management, and wealth concentrates into the hands of a few. A class
> > war has been waged the last three decades (as a reaction to the "New
> > Deal"), and labor has lost to capital.
>
> Capital creates wealth, but it must be balanced by labor. Society does not
> work well if one or the other gets the upper hand. We also want government
> to mediate and set the rules.
Those that fund the elections of Congress and own the media want
capital to have life and death power over labor. "You comply with our
rules, or starve in the street". Thus, the gutting of the social
safety net over the last three decades, under the guise of "personal
responsibility".
> >> > [1] By law, the SOLE purpose of a corporate entity in the US.
> >> > [2] Following the general trend of falling wages (relative to
> >> > inflation) for all but the top 5% over the last three decades.
> >> > [3] I recall a period of several months when my "out of pocket"
> >> > medical expenses EXCEEDED my discretionary income.
>
> >> Ed Dolan is more of a socialist than Mr. Sherman thinks. I would like =
to
> >> see
> >> ALL schooling free for anyone who can benefit from it, I would like to
> >> see
> >> universal health care via a single payer (the government) and I would
> >> also
> >> like to see lots of subsidized housing (but no high rises) since it has
> >> become so outrageously expensive. kets and free enterprise are NOT =
the
> >> solution for everything, maybe not even most things.
>
> > Well, you will not see any of those things, unless the people wake up
> > and demand them. Certainly going to the voting booth every second
> > November and picking between the two corporate candidates will not
> > change anything.
>
> Things will have to get worse before they get better. We are of course go=
ing
> to end up like all the European welfare states, which is not a bad thing =
at
> all. I think all this recent immigration will hurry things along as the
> social fabric begins to break.
Or the US could end up like Colombia, with a broken social fabric, an
immensely wealthy and powerful (relative to the general population)
ruling class, a sham democracy where effective opposition politicians,
journalists, labor activists, etc. are regularly gunned down by right-
wing terrorist death squads with the complicit support of the police
and military, an immense lower class living in squalor, and a decades
long low-level civil war.
> I note that the French only work a 35 hour week. As much as I hate the
> French, this seems like a very good idea to me. When I last had a job in =
NYC
> in another life time I only worked a 35 hour week and it went swimmingly.=
In
> fact, in the summer it reduced to a 30 hour week. Now that is more like i=
t!
30 hours is 2=BD to 3 days of work.
> >> The American health care system is broken beyond repair. If I did not
> >> have
> >> the VA to take care of me, I would now be on welfare. The way things a=
re
> >> going, if I live another 10 years, I will be on welfare anyway.
>
> > Get sick; lose your job and income, then your house and all your
> > savings. This is the 21st Century "American Nighte" that has
> > replaced the "American Dream" of upward social/economic mobility.
>
> Yes, I do agree with Mr. Sherman on the above scenario as I have seen it
> play out right here in Worthington. I might even vote Democrat if I knew =
FOR
> SURE they would give this nation universal health care. It is really quit=
e a
> scandal that we do not have it.
The only Democratic candidates seriously proposing single-payer
universal coverage are Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and Al Sharpton,
none of whom have a real chance of getting nominated (is the powers
that be in the party have any say in the matter).
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
GHAWAR IS DYING!
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Date: 07 May 2007 10:53:25
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1178326191.945529.125620@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On May 4, 2:11 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
[...]
> >> Still, engineers are not exactly working class. They have got to be
> >> paid
> >> a
> >> professional middle class salary.
>
> > Actually, when I was working in a place with unionized hourly workers,
> > the technicians I was supervising were making one-third to one-half
> > MORE per year than I was, since they received overtime, while I
> > received no additional compensation (the Fair Labor Standards Act does
> > not apply to most workers with professional positions, even if they
> > are entry level). After finishing graduate school, I was making a
> > real wage of less than $15/hour.
>
> It is the sacrifice that one makes while learning on the job. I am SURE
> you
> are presently very well paid.
With a graduate degree and more than 5 years professional experience,
I still make a real wage of less than $20/hour (and my salary is
comparable to others with similar education and experience). This is
in an area where a single bedroom condominium will run more than
$150,000 and a 30 year old bungalow on a small lot can be over
$200,000.
>>>>You need to find a less expensive area of the country to live and work
>>>>in. I suggest Idaho or West Virginia. A very nice house was recently for
>>>>sale in a very small town in NW Iowa for $5000. and the owner could not
>>>>sell it because no one wanted to live in that very small town.
The US middle class would benefit greatly if Eisenhower Republicans
(or even Nixon/Ford Republicans) were running the country, as both
regimes were to the left of Clinton on economic and social policy (and
of course Reagan, Bush I and Cheney are far to the right of the
aforementioned administrations). Eisenhower would be a radical
socialist by the standards set in the corporate media by right-wing
"think-tank" economists and pundits (that are funded a few VERY RICH
families).
>>>>It was a different world back in the Eisenhower days.
> >> > Due to various types of mercantile behavior by capital, housing
> >> > prices
> >> > have increased far more than wages. No longer can most afford to buy
> >> > a
> >> > house until they have worked 10 to 15 years, unless they obtain funds
> >> > beyond wages (e.g. gifts or inheritance from parents).
>>>>Housing costs have gone totally insane I must admit. I lived in a 2
>>>>bedroom upper floor apartment of a single family house when I went to
>>>>college in Minneapolis for $55. a month. This was split with my
>>>>roommate. Later when I moved to NYC, I lived in an 1 bedroom apartment
>>>>for again $55. a month. It seemed I always had lots of free spending
>>>>money for everything else even though I was paid only about $5000. a
>>>>year.
[...]
> There will ALWAYS be money to pay for Social Security and Medicare. If we
> had universal health care, there would ALWAYS be money to pay for that
> too.
> Why? Because it is what the vast majority of folks value the most. There
> are
> any number of fixes that will ensure these social safety nets. One I can
> think of right off the bat is to make these programs means tested. Rich
> folks don't need them, so why should they get them?
The rich will buy a government that believes in socialism for capital
and the free ket for labor.
If large corporations are in trouble (e.g. airlines after 9/11/01,
Chrysler in the late 1970's) the government will step in to see that
they do not fail (while letting same corporations lay off workers). If
an individual gets in trouble, the government will send a sheriff's
deputy to post a foreclosure notice on the house, and then evict the
owner.
>>>>If a sufficiently large corporation collapses, it can cause the entire
>>>>nation much trouble whereas an individual collapse will never be
>>>>noticed - unless it happens to millions of others at the same time.
> > With the stress and working hours that most employees see, many will
> > not live to the ever increasing retirement age.
>
> Retirement age cannot be stretched much. I burned out by age 65 and so did
> everyone else that I know. Dole was too old to ever be president and so
> was
> Reagan if truth be told. McCain is also too old.
So what if people die before they retire? By the "conventional
wisdom", it is their fault for not earning enough to retire early. For
what its worth, I will not be eligible for full Social Security and
Medicare benefits until I am 70 (unless this is raised even higher).
>>>>To hell with "full" Social Security. Take what you can get at your
>>>>earliest opportunity. Trust me on this, most folks cannot keep going
>>>>much past the age of 65.
[...]
> Capital creates wealth, but it must be balanced by labor. Society does not
> work well if one or the other gets the upper hand. We also want government
> to mediate and set the rules.
Those that fund the elections of Congress and own the media want
capital to have life and death power over labor. "You comply with our
rules, or starve in the street". Thus, the gutting of the social
safety net over the last three decades, under the guise of "personal
responsibility".
>>>>The major media are quite left of center and very sympathetic to labor.
>>>>You are worried needlessly about Social Security. Most Americans are
>>>>Democrats, not Republicans. If the Dems would ever get their heads
>>>>screwed on straight on the issue of national defense, they would sweep
>>>>the country just like they used to.
[...]
>> Things will have to get worse before they get better. We are of course
>> going
> to end up like all the European welfare states, which is not a bad thing
> at
> all. I think all this recent immigration will hurry things along as the
> social fabric begins to break.
Or the US could end up like Colombia, with a broken social fabric, an
immensely wealthy and powerful (relative to the general population)
ruling class, a sham democracy where effective opposition politicians,
journalists, labor activists, etc. are regularly gunned down by right-
wing terrorist death squads with the complicit support of the police
and military, an immense lower class living in squalor, and a decades
long low-level civil war.
>>>>Nope, that will never happen, at least not in our lifetime. Third world
>>>>peoples are incapable of democracy and republican forms of government.
>>>>We see that now being played out in Iraq. Frankly, I was wrong in that I
>>>>thought that the Arabs of Iraq would welcome a chance for some freedom
>>>>and democracy. But they don't - just like all third world peoples
>>>>don't. They prefer to be subjects, not citizens. So be it.
> I note that the French only work a 35 hour week. As much as I hate the
> French, this seems like a very good idea to me. When I last had a job in
> NYC
> in another life time I only worked a 35 hour week and it went swimmingly.
> In
> fact, in the summer it reduced to a 30 hour week. Now that is more like
> it!
30 hours is 2½ to 3 days of work.
>>>>30 hours is 30 hours, enough for any sane man to want to work at a job.
> >> The American health care system is broken beyond repair. If I did not
> >> have
> >> the VA to take care of me, I would now be on welfare. The way things
> >> are
> >> going, if I live another 10 years, I will be on welfare anyway.
>
> > Get sick; lose your job and income, then your house and all your
> > savings. This is the 21st Century "American Nighte" that has
> > replaced the "American Dream" of upward social/economic mobility.
>
> Yes, I do agree with Mr. Sherman on the above scenario as I have seen it
> play out right here in Worthington. I might even vote Democrat if I knew
> FOR
> SURE they would give this nation universal health care. It is really quite
> a
> scandal that we do not have it.
The only Democratic candidates seriously proposing single-payer
universal coverage are Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel and Al Sharpton,
none of whom have a real chance of getting nominated (if the powers
that be in the party have any say in the matter).
>>>>The 3 you list above are all screwballs, and that is the problem. It is
>>>>matter of priorities. National defense comes before all else. I will
>>>>almost surely vote Republican yet once again because of that single
>>>>issue.
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 07 Apr 2007 18:58:58
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1175561139.666290.163040@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On 30, 11:19 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
>> However, if and when I ever do respond to a message of Eco I will read it
>> in
>> full and quote it in full in my response, which is more than can be said
>> for
>> some of the idiots on this newsgroup. I am ever respectful of the members
>> of
>> this group no matter how much despise them.
>
> So Ed Dolan respects those who he despise. Now there's an interesting
> contradiction. The conundrum continues.
I will respect their messages no matter how much I despise their persons.
What is there about this that you do not understand?
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 30 Mar 2007 19:33:19
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
On 29, 8:58 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> <eco_milage_buster_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1175205104.161156.99120@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > Jeff Grippe wrote:
>
> >> No, Ed. The group has clearly expressed its opinion on the matter. You
> >> are
> >> taking advantage of the fact that it is an unmoderated public space. We
> >> have
> >> actual people like that in New York who stand around and scream about
> >> whatever is pissing them off. They are generally not considered welcome
> >> but
> >> if their behavior falls within certain limits, there is nothing that can
> >> be
> >> done.
>
> >> The difference between you and them is that they (and I'm guessing here
> >> because I've never actually talked to one) can't control their behavior.
> >> They have no sense of how their behavior effects others or they simply
> >> don't
> >> care. Now for all I know there may be no real difference between you and
> >> them but you are capable of understanding what the group has said on the
> >> subject.
>
> >> Go in peace Ed.
> > Obviously cross posted humorously! You think he can ride a bike?
> > LOL! Congratulations and thanks Jeff for sticking up for this
> > tranportation discussion group; not a name caller-politic-brain dead
> > group. A group of many members that clearly discusses correct subjects
> > as they appear on the title.
>
> Eco is your typical ARBR member. He is not st, but he is not dumb either.
> I have no objection to him other than that he will never post a message that
> I will want to read.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
So, by his own admission, Ed Dolan doesn't read ECO's posts and yet
he has managed to formulate an opinion about ECO as one who is not
st, but not dumb either. Well just how st or how dumb dumb is
that? No one will ever accuse Ed Dolan of having an informed
opinion. The conundrum continues.
Jim McNaa
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Date: 03 May 2007 20:18:32
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
On May 3, 7:52 pm, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On May 2, 6:42 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1177576289.638257.69120@o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Apr 25, 3:30 am, Edward Dolan wrote:
> > >> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in
> > >> messagenews:1177177941.877819.269420@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> > On Apr 21, 8:54 am, JimmyMac aka Jim McNaa wrote:
>
> > >> >> Will someone please translate Dolan's mother tongue for him. How this
> > >> >> fool ever held a job as a librarian defies comprehension...
>
> > >> > Held for how long?
>
> > >> Long enough to know that it was a dead end. Anyone who works at one job
> > >> all
> > >> of their lives is an idiot! In fact, anyone who works at however many
> > >> jobs
> > >> ALL of their lives is stupid beyond belief.
>
> > >> > Remember, Mr. Ed the Grate has spent much of his life living on rental
> > >> > income on properties he inherited.
>
> > >> Don't you wish you could have done the same? The fact that you are
> > >> unried
> > >> and thus not stuck with a wife and kids to support and yet do not seem to
> > >> be
> > >> rolling in money and living the life of Riley strikes me as being very
> > >> curious. You must not know how to manage money as I know civil engineers
> > >> are
> > >> paid very well indeed. I suspect Mr. Sherman has secret expensive vices
> > >> which accounts for his lack of success in life.....
>
> > > What Ed Dolan knows is, at best, 40 or more years out of date.
>
> > > In Ed Dolan's student days, college was practically free, while over
> > > the past quarter century tuition, fees and student housing have
> > > increased in price at several times the overall rate of inflation.
> > > This has been accompanied by commensurate CUTS in student aid. No
> > > longer can one finish college relatively debt free.
>
> > Yes. Mr. Sherman is quite right about the above. I must admit, I could never
> > afford to go to college these days without accumulating a stupendous debt. I
> > remember debates at the time on how all of higher education would some day
> > be free. The University of California system was in fact almost free in the
> > 50's and 60's. I think there was only a very minimal student fee. However,
> > Reagan as governor changed all of that.
>
> > > Secondly, back when Ed Dolan participated in the real world,
> > > engineering was considered a profession, and it was considered
> > > unethical to bid or select work based solely on price. Now it is
> > > considered a commodity, with work being solely awarded on price. To
> > > maintain profits [1], something had to give, and it was wages [2]. In
> > > addition, work is being "outsourced", with only final review being
> > > done in the US in many cases.
>
> > Still, engineers are not exactly working class. They have got to be paid a
> > professional middle class salary.
>
> Actually, when I was working in a place with unionized hourly workers,
> the technicians I was supervising were making one-third to one-half
> MORE per year than I was, since they received overtime, while I
> received no additional compensation (the Fair Labor Standards Act does
> not apply to most workers with professional positions, even if they
> are entry level). After finishing graduate school, I was making a
> real wage of less than $15/hour.
>
>
>
> > > Due to various types of mercantile behavior by capital, housing prices
> > > have increased far more than wages. No longer can most afford to buy a
> > > house until they have worked 10 to 15 years, unless they obtain funds
> > > beyond wages (e.g. gifts or inheritance from parents).
>
> > Everyone borrows like crazy to get whatever they need or want in the US.
> > Believe it or not, I have never had a credit card in my life nor have I ever
> > purchased anything on a time payment basis. Consequently, I have no credit
> > worthiness at all. My genius is that I have managed to fall through every
> > safety net in society. I do not even have Social Security, let alone
> > Medicare. This is what happens to you when you do not play the game that
> > society requires you to play.
>
> > > Similarly, during Mr. Dolan's short working life, employers provided
> > > health care and pensions. Regarding health care, deductibles and
> > > employee contributions were minimal or non-existent. Now, the cost is
> > > increasingly shifted to the employee, combined with costs rising much
> > > more than overall inflation and wages. [3] Similarly, other than a
> > > small matching contribution to 401K plans, it is the employees'
> > > responsibility to save for retirement (if he/she is lucky enough to
> > > live that long).
>
> > Mr. Sherman will have Social Security and Medicare if nothing else and he
> > will be able to live on that, especially if he remains single and without
> > any children to drag him down.
>
> Social Security and Medicare are politically "untouchable", UNLESS
> there is no money to pay for them. Do you think that the massive
> deficit spending is an accident? When the crunch comes, spending for
> everything but the military and interest on the debt (paid mostly to
> the wealthy, of course) will be cut.
>
> With the stress and working hours that most employees see, many will
> not live to the ever increasing retirement age.
>
> > > Four decades ago, capital declared class war on labor. With a clever
> > > combination of "divide and conquer" (based on ethnic and religious
> > > differences), "think tank" funding, purchasing the major media
> > > outlets, political advertising (and the related legalized bribery of
> > > campaign contributions), capital has won. For most, the "American
> > > Dream" that existed in the 1950's to early 1970's, when many joined
> > > the middle class, is now dead.
>
> > Well, I remember what happened back in the 50's when labor seemed to have
> > the upper hand. Everything was damned expensive if it was union made. Thank
> > God for the Wal-ts of the world.
>
> As worker productivity increases, wages fall for all but upper
> management, and wealth concentrates into the hands of a few. A class
> war has been waged the last three decades (as a reaction to the "New
> Deal"), and labor has lost to capital.
>
> > > [1] By law, the SOLE purpose of a corporate entity in the US.
> > > [2] Following the general trend of falling wages (relative to
> > > inflation) for all but the top 5% over the last three decades.
> > > [3] I recall a period of several months when my "out of pocket"
> > > medical expenses EXCEEDED my discretionary income.
>
> > Ed Dolan is more of a socialist than Mr. Sherman thinks. I would like to see
> > ALL schooling free for anyone who can benefit from it, I would like to see
> > universal health care via a single payer (the government) and I would also
> > like to see lots of subsidized housing (but no high rises) since it has
> > become so outrageously expensive. kets and free enterprise are NOT the
> > solution for everything, maybe not even most things.
>
> Well, you will not see any of those things, unless the people wake up
> and demand them. Certainly going to the voting booth every second
> November and picking between the two corporate candidates will not
> change anything.
>
> > The American health care system is broken beyond repair. If I did not have
> > the VA to take care of me, I would now be on welfare. The way things are
> > going, if I live another 10 years, I will be on welfare anyway.
>
> Get sick; lose your job and income, then your house and all your
> savings. This is the 21st Century "American Nighte" that has
> replaced the "American Dream" of upward social/economic mobility.
>
> --
> Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
> GHAWAR IS DYING!
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Date: 03 May 2007 20:18:09
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
On May 2, 6:53 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1177718561.154820.229200@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>
> > Tom,
>
> > Well expressed, although I suspect that Ed Dolan will neither
> > comprehend nor agree with you of course. He is a stubborn dunderhead
> > down to the molecular level.
>
> I have always maintained from day one that Mr. Sherman is no idiot. However,
> he occasionally acts like an idiot on this group when he lets his sense of
> humor run away from his sense.
>
> > P.S. I can just hear it all now ... ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS ...
> > and ... Jim has never learned the difference between newsgroups and
> > email ... you know that old broken record bullshit that the grate
> > (sic) one regurgitates.
>
> Was not the above message addressed to the entire newsgroup, or just Tom?
> If addressed to just Tom, then you should have sent him an email. Why bother
> the entire group if you are addressing just one person?
Ed (yep this is priily for you, but still of benefit to the
readership),
Yep, your reply was just as predicted. To answer your question, my
comment was for the entire newsgroup but was priily directed to Tom
and secondarily to you. Your response would seem to indicate that you
realized that. So what is it that you are priily objecting to
specifically ... my salutation? Is that the only particular that
designates specifically who is being addressed? In your reply, you
wrote ... If addressed to just Tom, then YOU should have sent him an
email. Why bother the entire group if YOU are addressing just one
person? The operative words here are in UPPER CASE. Were you not
specifically addressing me and me alone? Employing your own login
then, should you not have sent me your response via private email?
You should refrain from instructing others as to how they should
proceed until you yourself set a good example rather than break the
very rules that you expect others to abide by. The conundrum
continues.
Jim McNaa
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
> > On Apr 26, 3:31 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
> > <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Apr 25, 3:30 am, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> >> > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in
> >> > messagenews:1177177941.877819.269420@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > > On Apr 21, 8:54 am, JimmyMac aka Jim McNaa wrote:
>
> >> > >> Will someone please translate Dolan's mother tongue for him. How
> >> > >> this
> >> > >> fool ever held a job as a librarian defies comprehension...
>
> >> > > Held for how long?
>
> >> > Long enough to know that it was a dead end. Anyone who works at one job
> >> > all
> >> > of their lives is an idiot! In fact, anyone who works at however many
> >> > jobs
> >> > ALL of their lives is stupid beyond belief.
>
> >> > > Remember, Mr. Ed the Grate has spent much of his life living on
> >> > > rental
> >> > > income on properties he inherited.
>
> >> > Don't you wish you could have done the same? The fact that you are
> >> > unried
> >> > and thus not stuck with a wife and kids to support and yet do not seem
> >> > to be
> >> > rolling in money and living the life of Riley strikes me as being very
> >> > curious. You must not know how to manage money as I know civil
> >> > engineers are
> >> > paid very well indeed. I suspect Mr. Sherman has secret expensive vices
> >> > which accounts for his lack of success in life.....
>
> >> What Ed Dolan knows is, at best, 40 or more years out of date.
>
> >> In Ed Dolan's student days, college was practically free, while over
> >> the past quarter century tuition, fees and student housing have
> >> increased in price at several times the overall rate of inflation.
> >> This has been accompanied by commensurate CUTS in student aid. No
> >> longer can one finish college relatively debt free.
>
> >> Secondly, back when Ed Dolan participated in the real world,
> >> engineering was considered a profession, and it was considered
> >> unethical to bid or select work based solely on price. Now it is
> >> considered a commodity, with work being solely awarded on price. To
> >> maintain profits [1], something had to give, and it was wages [2]. In
> >> addition, work is being "outsourced", with only final review being
> >> done in the US in many cases.
>
> >> Due to various types of mercantile behavior by capital, housing prices
> >> have increased far more than wages. No longer can most afford to buy a
> >> house until they have worked 10 to 15 years, unless they obtain funds
> >> beyond wages (e.g. gifts or inheritance from parents).
>
> >> Similarly, during Mr. Dolan's short working life, employers provided
> >> health care and pensions. Regarding health care, deductibles and
> >> employee contributions were minimal or non-existent. Now, the cost is
> >> increasingly shifted to the employee, combined with costs rising much
> >> more than overall inflation and wages. [3] Similarly, other than a
> >> small matching contribution to 401K plans, it is the employees'
> >> responsibility to save for retirement (if he/she is lucky enough to
> >> live that long).
>
> >> Four decades ago, capital declared class war on labor. With a clever
> >> combination of "divide and conquer" (based on ethnic and religious
> >> differences), "think tank" funding, purchasing the major media
> >> outlets, political advertising (and the related legalized bribery of
> >> campaign contributions), capital has won. For most, the "American
> >> Dream" that existed in the 1950's to early 1970's, when many joined
> >> the middle class, is now dead.
>
> >> [1] By law, the SOLE purpose of a corporate entity in the US.
> >> [2] Following the general trend of falling wages (relative to
> >> inflation) for all but the top 5% over the last three decades.
> >> [3] I recall a period of several months when my "out of pocket"
> >> medical expenses EXCEEDED my discretionary income.
> >> --
> >> Tom Sherman
> >> Rationality, as the priy cognitive system for comprehending our
> >> world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
> >> David Michael Green
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Date: 04 May 2007 13:23:32
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1178248689.122526.123100@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On May 2, 6:53 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1177718561.154820.229200@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>
>> > Tom,
>>
>> > Well expressed, although I suspect that Ed Dolan will neither
>> > comprehend nor agree with you of course. He is a stubborn dunderhead
>> > down to the molecular level.
>>
>> I have always maintained from day one that Mr. Sherman is no idiot.
>> However,
>> he occasionally acts like an idiot on this group when he lets his sense
>> of
>> humor run away from his sense.
>>
>> > P.S. I can just hear it all now ... ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS ...
>> > and ... Jim has never learned the difference between newsgroups and
>> > email ... you know that old broken record bullshit that the grate
>> > (sic) one regurgitates.
>>
>> Was not the above message addressed to the entire newsgroup, or just Tom?
>> If addressed to just Tom, then you should have sent him an email. Why
>> bother
>> the entire group if you are addressing just one person?
>
> Ed (yep this is priily for you, but still of benefit to the
> readership),
It is not necessary nor even appropriate to address anyone by name when on
Usenet. Poor Jim has never understood the difference between Usenet and
email.
> Yep, your reply was just as predicted. To answer your question, my
> comment was for the entire newsgroup but was priily directed to Tom
> and secondarily to you. Your response would seem to indicate that you
> realized that. So what is it that you are priily objecting to
> specifically ... my salutation?
It is rude and insulting to the other members of the group who are not named
Tom who may stumble upon your message. Whatever you write to a newsgroup is
there for all the world to read - and to respond to. Any individual is
irrelevant, even one named Tom.
Is that the only particular that
> designates specifically who is being addressed? In your reply, you
> wrote ... If addressed to just Tom, then YOU should have sent him an
> email. Why bother the entire group if YOU are addressing just one
> person? The operative words here are in UPPER CASE. Were you not
> specifically addressing me and me alone? Employing your own login
> then, should you not have sent me your response via private email?
Nay, I am the housekeeper for this newsgroup and so every exception must be
made for one so Great as Myself. Besides, others can learn how not to post
from your very bad example and how to post from my very good example.
> You should refrain from instructing others as to how they should
> proceed until you yourself set a good example rather than break the
> very rules that you expect others to abide by. The conundrum
> continues.
You obviously have not taken my signature to heart. I am Ed Dolan the Great
and therefore above and beyond all criticism.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 03 May 2007 17:52:36
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
On May 2, 6:42 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net > wrote:
> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1177576289.638257.69120@o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Apr 25, 3:30 am, Edward Dolan wrote:
> >> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in
> >> messagenews:1177177941.877819.269420@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Apr 21, 8:54 am, JimmyMac aka Jim McNaa wrote:
>
> >> >> Will someone please translate Dolan's mother tongue for him. How this
> >> >> fool ever held a job as a librarian defies comprehension...
>
> >> > Held for how long?
>
> >> Long enough to know that it was a dead end. Anyone who works at one job
> >> all
> >> of their lives is an idiot! In fact, anyone who works at however many
> >> jobs
> >> ALL of their lives is stupid beyond belief.
>
> >> > Remember, Mr. Ed the Grate has spent much of his life living on rental
> >> > income on properties he inherited.
>
> >> Don't you wish you could have done the same? The fact that you are
> >> unried
> >> and thus not stuck with a wife and kids to support and yet do not seem to
> >> be
> >> rolling in money and living the life of Riley strikes me as being very
> >> curious. You must not know how to manage money as I know civil engineers
> >> are
> >> paid very well indeed. I suspect Mr. Sherman has secret expensive vices
> >> which accounts for his lack of success in life.....
>
> > What Ed Dolan knows is, at best, 40 or more years out of date.
>
> > In Ed Dolan's student days, college was practically free, while over
> > the past quarter century tuition, fees and student housing have
> > increased in price at several times the overall rate of inflation.
> > This has been accompanied by commensurate CUTS in student aid. No
> > longer can one finish college relatively debt free.
>
> Yes. Mr. Sherman is quite right about the above. I must admit, I could never
> afford to go to college these days without accumulating a stupendous debt. I
> remember debates at the time on how all of higher education would some day
> be free. The University of California system was in fact almost free in the
> 50's and 60's. I think there was only a very minimal student fee. However,
> Reagan as governor changed all of that.
>
> > Secondly, back when Ed Dolan participated in the real world,
> > engineering was considered a profession, and it was considered
> > unethical to bid or select work based solely on price. Now it is
> > considered a commodity, with work being solely awarded on price. To
> > maintain profits [1], something had to give, and it was wages [2]. In
> > addition, work is being "outsourced", with only final review being
> > done in the US in many cases.
>
> Still, engineers are not exactly working class. They have got to be paid a
> professional middle class salary.
Actually, when I was working in a place with unionized hourly workers,
the technicians I was supervising were making one-third to one-half
MORE per year than I was, since they received overtime, while I
received no additional compensation (the Fair Labor Standards Act does
not apply to most workers with professional positions, even if they
are entry level). After finishing graduate school, I was making a
real wage of less than $15/hour.
> > Due to various types of mercantile behavior by capital, housing prices
> > have increased far more than wages. No longer can most afford to buy a
> > house until they have worked 10 to 15 years, unless they obtain funds
> > beyond wages (e.g. gifts or inheritance from parents).
>
> Everyone borrows like crazy to get whatever they need or want in the US.
> Believe it or not, I have never had a credit card in my life nor have I ever
> purchased anything on a time payment basis. Consequently, I have no credit
> worthiness at all. My genius is that I have managed to fall through every
> safety net in society. I do not even have Social Security, let alone
> Medicare. This is what happens to you when you do not play the game that
> society requires you to play.
>
> > Similarly, during Mr. Dolan's short working life, employers provided
> > health care and pensions. Regarding health care, deductibles and
> > employee contributions were minimal or non-existent. Now, the cost is
> > increasingly shifted to the employee, combined with costs rising much
> > more than overall inflation and wages. [3] Similarly, other than a
> > small matching contribution to 401K plans, it is the employees'
> > responsibility to save for retirement (if he/she is lucky enough to
> > live that long).
>
> Mr. Sherman will have Social Security and Medicare if nothing else and he
> will be able to live on that, especially if he remains single and without
> any children to drag him down.
Social Security and Medicare are politically "untouchable", UNLESS
there is no money to pay for them. Do you think that the massive
deficit spending is an accident? When the crunch comes, spending for
everything but the military and interest on the debt (paid mostly to
the wealthy, of course) will be cut.
With the stress and working hours that most employees see, many will
not live to the ever increasing retirement age.
> > Four decades ago, capital declared class war on labor. With a clever
> > combination of "divide and conquer" (based on ethnic and religious
> > differences), "think tank" funding, purchasing the major media
> > outlets, political advertising (and the related legalized bribery of
> > campaign contributions), capital has won. For most, the "American
> > Dream" that existed in the 1950's to early 1970's, when many joined
> > the middle class, is now dead.
>
> Well, I remember what happened back in the 50's when labor seemed to have
> the upper hand. Everything was damned expensive if it was union made. Thank
> God for the Wal-ts of the world.
As worker productivity increases, wages fall for all but upper
management, and wealth concentrates into the hands of a few. A class
war has been waged the last three decades (as a reaction to the "New
Deal"), and labor has lost to capital.
> > [1] By law, the SOLE purpose of a corporate entity in the US.
> > [2] Following the general trend of falling wages (relative to
> > inflation) for all but the top 5% over the last three decades.
> > [3] I recall a period of several months when my "out of pocket"
> > medical expenses EXCEEDED my discretionary income.
>
> Ed Dolan is more of a socialist than Mr. Sherman thinks. I would like to see
> ALL schooling free for anyone who can benefit from it, I would like to see
> universal health care via a single payer (the government) and I would also
> like to see lots of subsidized housing (but no high rises) since it has
> become so outrageously expensive. kets and free enterprise are NOT the
> solution for everything, maybe not even most things.
Well, you will not see any of those things, unless the people wake up
and demand them. Certainly going to the voting booth every second
November and picking between the two corporate candidates will not
change anything.
> The American health care system is broken beyond repair. If I did not have
> the VA to take care of me, I would now be on welfare. The way things are
> going, if I live another 10 years, I will be on welfare anyway.
Get sick; lose your job and income, then your house and all your
savings. This is the 21st Century "American Nighte" that has
replaced the "American Dream" of upward social/economic mobility.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
GHAWAR IS DYING!
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Date: 04 May 2007 14:11:44
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1178239956.052544.298020@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On May 2, 6:42 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> "Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:1177576289.638257.69120@o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 25, 3:30 am, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> >> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in
>> >> messagenews:1177177941.877819.269420@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >> > On Apr 21, 8:54 am, JimmyMac aka Jim McNaa wrote:
>>
>> >> >> Will someone please translate Dolan's mother tongue for him. How
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> fool ever held a job as a librarian defies comprehension...
>>
>> >> > Held for how long?
>>
>> >> Long enough to know that it was a dead end. Anyone who works at one
>> >> job
>> >> all
>> >> of their lives is an idiot! In fact, anyone who works at however many
>> >> jobs
>> >> ALL of their lives is stupid beyond belief.
>>
>> >> > Remember, Mr. Ed the Grate has spent much of his life living on
>> >> > rental
>> >> > income on properties he inherited.
>>
>> >> Don't you wish you could have done the same? The fact that you are
>> >> unried
>> >> and thus not stuck with a wife and kids to support and yet do not seem
>> >> to
>> >> be
>> >> rolling in money and living the life of Riley strikes me as being very
>> >> curious. You must not know how to manage money as I know civil
>> >> engineers
>> >> are
>> >> paid very well indeed. I suspect Mr. Sherman has secret expensive
>> >> vices
>> >> which accounts for his lack of success in life.....
>>
>> > What Ed Dolan knows is, at best, 40 or more years out of date.
>>
>> > In Ed Dolan's student days, college was practically free, while over
>> > the past quarter century tuition, fees and student housing have
>> > increased in price at several times the overall rate of inflation.
>> > This has been accompanied by commensurate CUTS in student aid. No
>> > longer can one finish college relatively debt free.
>>
>> Yes. Mr. Sherman is quite right about the above. I must admit, I could
>> never
>> afford to go to college these days without accumulating a stupendous
>> debt. I
>> remember debates at the time on how all of higher education would some
>> day
>> be free. The University of California system was in fact almost free in
>> the
>> 50's and 60's. I think there was only a very minimal student fee.
>> However,
>> Reagan as governor changed all of that.
>>
>> > Secondly, back when Ed Dolan participated in the real world,
>> > engineering was considered a profession, and it was considered
>> > unethical to bid or select work based solely on price. Now it is
>> > considered a commodity, with work being solely awarded on price. To
>> > maintain profits [1], something had to give, and it was wages [2]. In
>> > addition, work is being "outsourced", with only final review being
>> > done in the US in many cases.
>>
>> Still, engineers are not exactly working class. They have got to be paid
>> a
>> professional middle class salary.
>
> Actually, when I was working in a place with unionized hourly workers,
> the technicians I was supervising were making one-third to one-half
> MORE per year than I was, since they received overtime, while I
> received no additional compensation (the Fair Labor Standards Act does
> not apply to most workers with professional positions, even if they
> are entry level). After finishing graduate school, I was making a
> real wage of less than $15/hour.
It is the sacrifice that one makes while learning on the job. I am SURE you
are presently very well paid.
>> > Due to various types of mercantile behavior by capital, housing prices
>> > have increased far more than wages. No longer can most afford to buy a
>> > house until they have worked 10 to 15 years, unless they obtain funds
>> > beyond wages (e.g. gifts or inheritance from parents).
>>
>> Everyone borrows like crazy to get whatever they need or want in the US.
>> Believe it or not, I have never had a credit card in my life nor have I
>> ever
>> purchased anything on a time payment basis. Consequently, I have no
>> credit
>> worthiness at all. My genius is that I have managed to fall through every
>> safety net in society. I do not even have Social Security, let alone
>> Medicare. This is what happens to you when you do not play the game that
>> society requires you to play.
>>
>> > Similarly, during Mr. Dolan's short working life, employers provided
>> > health care and pensions. Regarding health care, deductibles and
>> > employee contributions were minimal or non-existent. Now, the cost is
>> > increasingly shifted to the employee, combined with costs rising much
>> > more than overall inflation and wages. [3] Similarly, other than a
>> > small matching contribution to 401K plans, it is the employees'
>> > responsibility to save for retirement (if he/she is lucky enough to
>> > live that long).
>>
>> Mr. Sherman will have Social Security and Medicare if nothing else and he
>> will be able to live on that, especially if he remains single and without
>> any children to drag him down.
>
> Social Security and Medicare are politically "untouchable", UNLESS
> there is no money to pay for them. Do you think that the massive
> deficit spending is an accident? When the crunch comes, spending for
> everything but the military and interest on the debt (paid mostly to
> the wealthy, of course) will be cut.
There will ALWAYS be money to pay for Social Security and Medicare. If we
had universal health care, there would ALWAYS be money to pay for that too.
Why? Because it is what the vast majority of folks value the most. There are
any number of fixes that will ensure these social safety nets. One I can
think of right off the bat is to make these programs means tested. Rich
folks don't need them, so why should they get them?
> With the stress and working hours that most employees see, many will
> not live to the ever increasing retirement age.
Retirement age cannot be stretched much. I burned out by age 65 and so did
everyone else that I know. Dole was too old to ever be president and so was
Reagan if truth be told. McCain is also too old.
>> > Four decades ago, capital declared class war on labor. With a clever
>> > combination of "divide and conquer" (based on ethnic and religious
>> > differences), "think tank" funding, purchasing the major media
>> > outlets, political advertising (and the related legalized bribery of
>> > campaign contributions), capital has won. For most, the "American
>> > Dream" that existed in the 1950's to early 1970's, when many joined
>> > the middle class, is now dead.
>>
>> Well, I remember what happened back in the 50's when labor seemed to have
>> the upper hand. Everything was damned expensive if it was union made.
>> Thank
>> God for the Wal-ts of the world.
>
> As worker productivity increases, wages fall for all but upper
> management, and wealth concentrates into the hands of a few. A class
> war has been waged the last three decades (as a reaction to the "New
> Deal"), and labor has lost to capital.
Capital creates wealth, but it must be balanced by labor. Society does not
work well if one or the other gets the upper hand. We also want government
to mediate and set the rules.
>> > [1] By law, the SOLE purpose of a corporate entity in the US.
>> > [2] Following the general trend of falling wages (relative to
>> > inflation) for all but the top 5% over the last three decades.
>> > [3] I recall a period of several months when my "out of pocket"
>> > medical expenses EXCEEDED my discretionary income.
>>
>> Ed Dolan is more of a socialist than Mr. Sherman thinks. I would like to
>> see
>> ALL schooling free for anyone who can benefit from it, I would like to
>> see
>> universal health care via a single payer (the government) and I would
>> also
>> like to see lots of subsidized housing (but no high rises) since it has
>> become so outrageously expensive. kets and free enterprise are NOT the
>> solution for everything, maybe not even most things.
>
> Well, you will not see any of those things, unless the people wake up
> and demand them. Certainly going to the voting booth every second
> November and picking between the two corporate candidates will not
> change anything.
Things will have to get worse before they get better. We are of course going
to end up like all the European welfare states, which is not a bad thing at
all. I think all this recent immigration will hurry things along as the
social fabric begins to break.
I note that the French only work a 35 hour week. As much as I hate the
French, this seems like a very good idea to me. When I last had a job in NYC
in another life time I only worked a 35 hour week and it went swimmingly. In
fact, in the summer it reduced to a 30 hour week. Now that is more like it!
>> The American health care system is broken beyond repair. If I did not
>> have
>> the VA to take care of me, I would now be on welfare. The way things are
>> going, if I live another 10 years, I will be on welfare anyway.
>
> Get sick; lose your job and income, then your house and all your
> savings. This is the 21st Century "American Nighte" that has
> replaced the "American Dream" of upward social/economic mobility.
Yes, I do agree with Mr. Sherman on the above scenario as I have seen it
play out right here in Worthington. I might even vote Democrat if I knew FOR
SURE they would give this nation universal health care. It is really quite a
scandal that we do not have it.
Best Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 30 Mar 2007 23:19:38
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1175308399.346125.114430@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 29, 8:58 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>> <eco_milage_buster_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1175205104.161156.99120@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Jeff Grippe wrote:
>>
>> >> No, Ed. The group has clearly expressed its opinion on the matter. You
>> >> are
>> >> taking advantage of the fact that it is an unmoderated public space.
>> >> We
>> >> have
>> >> actual people like that in New York who stand around and scream about
>> >> whatever is pissing them off. They are generally not considered
>> >> welcome
>> >> but
>> >> if their behavior falls within certain limits, there is nothing that
>> >> can
>> >> be
>> >> done.
>>
>> >> The difference between you and them is that they (and I'm guessing
>> >> here
>> >> because I've never actually talked to one) can't control their
>> >> behavior.
>> >> They have no sense of how their behavior effects others or they simply
>> >> don't
>> >> care. Now for all I know there may be no real difference between you
>> >> and
>> >> them but you are capable of understanding what the group has said on
>> >> the
>> >> subject.
>>
>> >> Go in peace Ed.
>> > Obviously cross posted humorously! You think he can ride a bike?
>> > LOL! Congratulations and thanks Jeff for sticking up for this
>> > tranportation discussion group; not a name caller-politic-brain dead
>> > group. A group of many members that clearly discusses correct subjects
>> > as they appear on the title.
>>
>> Eco is your typical ARBR member. He is not st, but he is not dumb
>> either.
>> I have no objection to him other than that he will never post a message
>> that
>> I will want to read.
>
> So, by his own admission, Ed Dolan doesn't read ECO's posts and yet
> he has managed to formulate an opinion about ECO as one who is not
> st, but not dumb either. Well just how st or how dumb dumb is
> that? No one will ever accuse Ed Dolan of having an informed
> opinion. The conundrum continues.
Well, I do not have to read every last post of Eco to know what to expect of
him - any more than I do you. Nay, a small sample is more than enough to
get the gist of the quality of a member of ARBR.
However, if and when I ever do respond to a message of Eco I will read it in
full and quote it in full in my response, which is more than can be said for
some of the idiots on this newsgroup. I am ever respectful of the members of
this group no matter how much despise them.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 14:51:44
From:
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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Jeff Grippe wrote:
>
> No, Ed. The group has clearly expressed its opinion on the matter. You are
> taking advantage of the fact that it is an unmoderated public space. We have
> actual people like that in New York who stand around and scream about
> whatever is pissing them off. They are generally not considered welcome but
> if their behavior falls within certain limits, there is nothing that can be
> done.
>
> The difference between you and them is that they (and I'm guessing here
> because I've never actually talked to one) can't control their behavior.
> They have no sense of how their behavior effects others or they simply don't
> care. Now for all I know there may be no real difference between you and
> them but you are capable of understanding what the group has said on the
> subject.
>
> Go in peace Ed.
Obviously cross posted humorously! You think he can ride a bike?
LOL! Congratulations and thanks Jeff for sticking up for this
tranportation discussion group; not a name caller-politic-brain dead
group. A group of many members that clearly discusses correct subjects
as they appear on the title.
.
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Date: 27 Apr 2007 17:02:41
From: JimmyMac
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
Tom,
Well expressed, although I suspect that Ed Dolan will neither
comprehend nor agree with you of course. He is a stubborn dunderhead
down to the molecular level.
Jim McNaa
P.S. I can just hear it all now ... ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS ...
and ... Jim has never learned the difference between newsgroups and
email ... you know that old broken record bullshit that the grate
(sic) one regurgitates.
On Apr 26, 3:31 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Apr 25, 3:30 am, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
>
>
> > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in messagenews:1177177941.877819.269420@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Apr 21, 8:54 am, JimmyMac aka Jim McNaa wrote:
>
> > >> Will someone please translate Dolan's mother tongue for him. How this
> > >> fool ever held a job as a librarian defies comprehension...
>
> > > Held for how long?
>
> > Long enough to know that it was a dead end. Anyone who works at one job all
> > of their lives is an idiot! In fact, anyone who works at however many jobs
> > ALL of their lives is stupid beyond belief.
>
> > > Remember, Mr. Ed the Grate has spent much of his life living on rental
> > > income on properties he inherited.
>
> > Don't you wish you could have done the same? The fact that you are unried
> > and thus not stuck with a wife and kids to support and yet do not seem to be
> > rolling in money and living the life of Riley strikes me as being very
> > curious. You must not know how to manage money as I know civil engineers are
> > paid very well indeed. I suspect Mr. Sherman has secret expensive vices
> > which accounts for his lack of success in life.....
>
> What Ed Dolan knows is, at best, 40 or more years out of date.
>
> In Ed Dolan's student days, college was practically free, while over
> the past quarter century tuition, fees and student housing have
> increased in price at several times the overall rate of inflation.
> This has been accompanied by commensurate CUTS in student aid. No
> longer can one finish college relatively debt free.
>
> Secondly, back when Ed Dolan participated in the real world,
> engineering was considered a profession, and it was considered
> unethical to bid or select work based solely on price. Now it is
> considered a commodity, with work being solely awarded on price. To
> maintain profits [1], something had to give, and it was wages [2]. In
> addition, work is being "outsourced", with only final review being
> done in the US in many cases.
>
> Due to various types of mercantile behavior by capital, housing prices
> have increased far more than wages. No longer can most afford to buy a
> house until they have worked 10 to 15 years, unless they obtain funds
> beyond wages (e.g. gifts or inheritance from parents).
>
> Similarly, during Mr. Dolan's short working life, employers provided
> health care and pensions. Regarding health care, deductibles and
> employee contributions were minimal or non-existent. Now, the cost is
> increasingly shifted to the employee, combined with costs rising much
> more than overall inflation and wages. [3] Similarly, other than a
> small matching contribution to 401K plans, it is the employees'
> responsibility to save for retirement (if he/she is lucky enough to
> live that long).
>
> Four decades ago, capital declared class war on labor. With a clever
> combination of "divide and conquer" (based on ethnic and religious
> differences), "think tank" funding, purchasing the major media
> outlets, political advertising (and the related legalized bribery of
> campaign contributions), capital has won. For most, the "American
> Dream" that existed in the 1950's to early 1970's, when many joined
> the middle class, is now dead.
>
> [1] By law, the SOLE purpose of a corporate entity in the US.
> [2] Following the general trend of falling wages (relative to
> inflation) for all but the top 5% over the last three decades.
> [3] I recall a period of several months when my "out of pocket"
> medical expenses EXCEEDED my discretionary income.
> --
> Tom Sherman
> Rationality, as the priy cognitive system for comprehending our
> world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
> David Michael Green
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Date: 02 May 2007 18:53:04
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1177718561.154820.229200@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
> Tom,
>
> Well expressed, although I suspect that Ed Dolan will neither
> comprehend nor agree with you of course. He is a stubborn dunderhead
> down to the molecular level.
I have always maintained from day one that Mr. Sherman is no idiot. However,
he occasionally acts like an idiot on this group when he lets his sense of
humor run away from his sense.
> P.S. I can just hear it all now ... ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS ...
> and ... Jim has never learned the difference between newsgroups and
> email ... you know that old broken record bullshit that the grate
> (sic) one regurgitates.
Was not the above message addressed to the entire newsgroup, or just Tom?
If addressed to just Tom, then you should have sent him an email. Why bother
the entire group if you are addressing just one person?
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
> On Apr 26, 3:31 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 25, 3:30 am, Edward Dolan wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in
>> > messagenews:1177177941.877819.269420@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > On Apr 21, 8:54 am, JimmyMac aka Jim McNaa wrote:
>>
>> > >> Will someone please translate Dolan's mother tongue for him. How
>> > >> this
>> > >> fool ever held a job as a librarian defies comprehension...
>>
>> > > Held for how long?
>>
>> > Long enough to know that it was a dead end. Anyone who works at one job
>> > all
>> > of their lives is an idiot! In fact, anyone who works at however many
>> > jobs
>> > ALL of their lives is stupid beyond belief.
>>
>> > > Remember, Mr. Ed the Grate has spent much of his life living on
>> > > rental
>> > > income on properties he inherited.
>>
>> > Don't you wish you could have done the same? The fact that you are
>> > unried
>> > and thus not stuck with a wife and kids to support and yet do not seem
>> > to be
>> > rolling in money and living the life of Riley strikes me as being very
>> > curious. You must not know how to manage money as I know civil
>> > engineers are
>> > paid very well indeed. I suspect Mr. Sherman has secret expensive vices
>> > which accounts for his lack of success in life.....
>>
>> What Ed Dolan knows is, at best, 40 or more years out of date.
>>
>> In Ed Dolan's student days, college was practically free, while over
>> the past quarter century tuition, fees and student housing have
>> increased in price at several times the overall rate of inflation.
>> This has been accompanied by commensurate CUTS in student aid. No
>> longer can one finish college relatively debt free.
>>
>> Secondly, back when Ed Dolan participated in the real world,
>> engineering was considered a profession, and it was considered
>> unethical to bid or select work based solely on price. Now it is
>> considered a commodity, with work being solely awarded on price. To
>> maintain profits [1], something had to give, and it was wages [2]. In
>> addition, work is being "outsourced", with only final review being
>> done in the US in many cases.
>>
>> Due to various types of mercantile behavior by capital, housing prices
>> have increased far more than wages. No longer can most afford to buy a
>> house until they have worked 10 to 15 years, unless they obtain funds
>> beyond wages (e.g. gifts or inheritance from parents).
>>
>> Similarly, during Mr. Dolan's short working life, employers provided
>> health care and pensions. Regarding health care, deductibles and
>> employee contributions were minimal or non-existent. Now, the cost is
>> increasingly shifted to the employee, combined with costs rising much
>> more than overall inflation and wages. [3] Similarly, other than a
>> small matching contribution to 401K plans, it is the employees'
>> responsibility to save for retirement (if he/she is lucky enough to
>> live that long).
>>
>> Four decades ago, capital declared class war on labor. With a clever
>> combination of "divide and conquer" (based on ethnic and religious
>> differences), "think tank" funding, purchasing the major media
>> outlets, political advertising (and the related legalized bribery of
>> campaign contributions), capital has won. For most, the "American
>> Dream" that existed in the 1950's to early 1970's, when many joined
>> the middle class, is now dead.
>>
>> [1] By law, the SOLE purpose of a corporate entity in the US.
>> [2] Following the general trend of falling wages (relative to
>> inflation) for all but the top 5% over the last three decades.
>> [3] I recall a period of several months when my "out of pocket"
>> medical expenses EXCEEDED my discretionary income.
>> --
>> Tom Sherman
>> Rationality, as the priy cognitive system for comprehending our
>> world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
>> David Michael Green
>
>
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Date: 26 Apr 2007 01:31:29
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
On Apr 25, 3:30 am, Edward Dolan wrote:
> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in messagenews:1177177941.877819.269420@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Apr 21, 8:54 am, JimmyMac aka Jim McNaa wrote:
>
> >> Will someone please translate Dolan's mother tongue for him. How this
> >> fool ever held a job as a librarian defies comprehension...
>
> > Held for how long?
>
> Long enough to know that it was a dead end. Anyone who works at one job all
> of their lives is an idiot! In fact, anyone who works at however many jobs
> ALL of their lives is stupid beyond belief.
>
> > Remember, Mr. Ed the Grate has spent much of his life living on rental
> > income on properties he inherited.
>
> Don't you wish you could have done the same? The fact that you are unried
> and thus not stuck with a wife and kids to support and yet do not seem to be
> rolling in money and living the life of Riley strikes me as being very
> curious. You must not know how to manage money as I know civil engineers are
> paid very well indeed. I suspect Mr. Sherman has secret expensive vices
> which accounts for his lack of success in life.....
What Ed Dolan knows is, at best, 40 or more years out of date.
In Ed Dolan's student days, college was practically free, while over
the past quarter century tuition, fees and student housing have
increased in price at several times the overall rate of inflation.
This has been accompanied by commensurate CUTS in student aid. No
longer can one finish college relatively debt free.
Secondly, back when Ed Dolan participated in the real world,
engineering was considered a profession, and it was considered
unethical to bid or select work based solely on price. Now it is
considered a commodity, with work being solely awarded on price. To
maintain profits [1], something had to give, and it was wages [2]. In
addition, work is being "outsourced", with only final review being
done in the US in many cases.
Due to various types of mercantile behavior by capital, housing prices
have increased far more than wages. No longer can most afford to buy a
house until they have worked 10 to 15 years, unless they obtain funds
beyond wages (e.g. gifts or inheritance from parents).
Similarly, during Mr. Dolan's short working life, employers provided
health care and pensions. Regarding health care, deductibles and
employee contributions were minimal or non-existent. Now, the cost is
increasingly shifted to the employee, combined with costs rising much
more than overall inflation and wages. [3] Similarly, other than a
small matching contribution to 401K plans, it is the employees'
responsibility to save for retirement (if he/she is lucky enough to
live that long).
Four decades ago, capital declared class war on labor. With a clever
combination of "divide and conquer" (based on ethnic and religious
differences), "think tank" funding, purchasing the major media
outlets, political advertising (and the related legalized bribery of
campaign contributions), capital has won. For most, the "American
Dream" that existed in the 1950's to early 1970's, when many joined
the middle class, is now dead.
[1] By law, the SOLE purpose of a corporate entity in the US.
[2] Following the general trend of falling wages (relative to
inflation) for all but the top 5% over the last three decades.
[3] I recall a period of several months when my "out of pocket"
medical expenses EXCEEDED my discretionary income.
--
Tom Sherman
Rationality, as the priy cognitive system for comprehending our
world, has been rejected in favor of unyielding dogmatic belief. -
David Michael Green
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Date: 02 May 2007 18:42:33
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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"Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1177576289.638257.69120@o40g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 25, 3:30 am, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman wrote in
>> messagenews:1177177941.877819.269420@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Apr 21, 8:54 am, JimmyMac aka Jim McNaa wrote:
>>
>> >> Will someone please translate Dolan's mother tongue for him. How this
>> >> fool ever held a job as a librarian defies comprehension...
>>
>> > Held for how long?
>>
>> Long enough to know that it was a dead end. Anyone who works at one job
>> all
>> of their lives is an idiot! In fact, anyone who works at however many
>> jobs
>> ALL of their lives is stupid beyond belief.
>>
>> > Remember, Mr. Ed the Grate has spent much of his life living on rental
>> > income on properties he inherited.
>>
>> Don't you wish you could have done the same? The fact that you are
>> unried
>> and thus not stuck with a wife and kids to support and yet do not seem to
>> be
>> rolling in money and living the life of Riley strikes me as being very
>> curious. You must not know how to manage money as I know civil engineers
>> are
>> paid very well indeed. I suspect Mr. Sherman has secret expensive vices
>> which accounts for his lack of success in life.....
>
> What Ed Dolan knows is, at best, 40 or more years out of date.
>
> In Ed Dolan's student days, college was practically free, while over
> the past quarter century tuition, fees and student housing have
> increased in price at several times the overall rate of inflation.
> This has been accompanied by commensurate CUTS in student aid. No
> longer can one finish college relatively debt free.
Yes. Mr. Sherman is quite right about the above. I must admit, I could never
afford to go to college these days without accumulating a stupendous debt. I
remember debates at the time on how all of higher education would some day
be free. The University of California system was in fact almost free in the
50's and 60's. I think there was only a very minimal student fee. However,
Reagan as governor changed all of that.
> Secondly, back when Ed Dolan participated in the real world,
> engineering was considered a profession, and it was considered
> unethical to bid or select work based solely on price. Now it is
> considered a commodity, with work being solely awarded on price. To
> maintain profits [1], something had to give, and it was wages [2]. In
> addition, work is being "outsourced", with only final review being
> done in the US in many cases.
Still, engineers are not exactly working class. They have got to be paid a
professional middle class salary.
> Due to various types of mercantile behavior by capital, housing prices
> have increased far more than wages. No longer can most afford to buy a
> house until they have worked 10 to 15 years, unless they obtain funds
> beyond wages (e.g. gifts or inheritance from parents).
Everyone borrows like crazy to get whatever they need or want in the US.
Believe it or not, I have never had a credit card in my life nor have I ever
purchased anything on a time payment basis. Consequently, I have no credit
worthiness at all. My genius is that I have managed to fall through every
safety net in society. I do not even have Social Security, let alone
Medicare. This is what happens to you when you do not play the game that
society requires you to play.
> Similarly, during Mr. Dolan's short working life, employers provided
> health care and pensions. Regarding health care, deductibles and
> employee contributions were minimal or non-existent. Now, the cost is
> increasingly shifted to the employee, combined with costs rising much
> more than overall inflation and wages. [3] Similarly, other than a
> small matching contribution to 401K plans, it is the employees'
> responsibility to save for retirement (if he/she is lucky enough to
> live that long).
Mr. Sherman will have Social Security and Medicare if nothing else and he
will be able to live on that, especially if he remains single and without
any children to drag him down.
> Four decades ago, capital declared class war on labor. With a clever
> combination of "divide and conquer" (based on ethnic and religious
> differences), "think tank" funding, purchasing the major media
> outlets, political advertising (and the related legalized bribery of
> campaign contributions), capital has won. For most, the "American
> Dream" that existed in the 1950's to early 1970's, when many joined
> the middle class, is now dead.
Well, I remember what happened back in the 50's when labor seemed to have
the upper hand. Everything was damned expensive if it was union made. Thank
God for the Wal-ts of the world.
> [1] By law, the SOLE purpose of a corporate entity in the US.
> [2] Following the general trend of falling wages (relative to
> inflation) for all but the top 5% over the last three decades.
> [3] I recall a period of several months when my "out of pocket"
> medical expenses EXCEEDED my discretionary income.
Ed Dolan is more of a socialist than Mr. Sherman thinks. I would like to see
ALL schooling free for anyone who can benefit from it, I would like to see
universal health care via a single payer (the government) and I would also
like to see lots of subsidized housing (but no high rises) since it has
become so outrageously expensive. kets and free enterprise are NOT the
solution for everything, maybe not even most things.
The American health care system is broken beyond repair. If I did not have
the VA to take care of me, I would now be on welfare. The way things are
going, if I live another 10 years, I will be on welfare anyway.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 20:58:41
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
<eco_milage_buster_2005@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1175205104.161156.99120@b75g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Jeff Grippe wrote:
>
>>
>> No, Ed. The group has clearly expressed its opinion on the matter. You
>> are
>> taking advantage of the fact that it is an unmoderated public space. We
>> have
>> actual people like that in New York who stand around and scream about
>> whatever is pissing them off. They are generally not considered welcome
>> but
>> if their behavior falls within certain limits, there is nothing that can
>> be
>> done.
>>
>> The difference between you and them is that they (and I'm guessing here
>> because I've never actually talked to one) can't control their behavior.
>> They have no sense of how their behavior effects others or they simply
>> don't
>> care. Now for all I know there may be no real difference between you and
>> them but you are capable of understanding what the group has said on the
>> subject.
>>
>> Go in peace Ed.
> Obviously cross posted humorously! You think he can ride a bike?
> LOL! Congratulations and thanks Jeff for sticking up for this
> tranportation discussion group; not a name caller-politic-brain dead
> group. A group of many members that clearly discusses correct subjects
> as they appear on the title.
Eco is your typical ARBR member. He is not st, but he is not dumb either.
I have no objection to him other than that he will never post a message that
I will want to read.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 14:55:33
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:s-mdnUfx07MKipnbnZ2dnUVZ_qWvnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
> Democracies are very fragile creations and I would never bet on them.
> Sparta vs. Athens? I would bet on Sparta. Nazi Germany vs. the Western
> democracies? I would bet on Nazi Germany. The Soviet Union vs. the US? I
> would bet on the Soviet Union.
>
Gee Ed, you've backed losers right along. I'd suggest betting on some other
sport.
> Unless you are willing to fight and die for democracy, you will lose your
> freedom.
You mean like Ghandi?
Ed, many folks here don't want a political discussion in a cycling group and
I can respect that. Either email me to continue this privately or find a
group where this discussion is welcome. I'll happily go there and trade
barbs with you.
Jeff
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 19:54:43
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message
news:13088miepuqcfa6@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:s-mdnUfx07MKipnbnZ2dnUVZ_qWvnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
>> Democracies are very fragile creations and I would never bet on them.
>> Sparta vs. Athens? I would bet on Sparta. Nazi Germany vs. the Western
>> democracies? I would bet on Nazi Germany. The Soviet Union vs. the US? I
>> would bet on the Soviet Union.
>>
>
> Gee Ed, you've backed losers right along. I'd suggest betting on some
> other sport.
>
>> Unless you are willing to fight and die for democracy, you will lose your
>> freedom.
>
> You mean like Ghandi?
Gandhi only halfway succeeded because he was dealing with the English. If he
had been dealing with the Germans under Hitler, it would have come to
naught.
> Ed, many folks here don't want a political discussion in a cycling group
> and I can respect that. Either email me to continue this privately or find
> a group where this discussion is welcome. I'll happily go there and trade
> barbs with you.
Nonsense! All newsgroups need some political discussion to prevent cerebral
paralysis.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 09:34:59
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:wYadnSXYwKlb9pXbnZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>> Ed, many folks here don't want a political discussion in a cycling group
>> and I can respect that. Either email me to continue this privately or
>> find a group where this discussion is welcome. I'll happily go there and
>> trade barbs with you.
>
> Nonsense! All newsgroups need some political discussion to prevent
> cerebral paralysis.
No, Ed. The group has clearly expressed its opinion on the matter. You are
taking advantage of the fact that it is an unmoderated public space. We have
actual people like that in New York who stand around and scream about
whatever is pissing them off. They are generally not considered welcome but
if their behavior falls within certain limits, there is nothing that can be
done.
The difference between you and them is that they (and I'm guessing here
because I've never actually talked to one) can't control their behavior.
They have no sense of how their behavior effects others or they simply don't
care. Now for all I know there may be no real difference between you and
them but you are capable of understanding what the group has said on the
subject.
Go in peace Ed.
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Date: 27 Mar 2007 15:56:51
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote in message
news:130i7dhtl0gk9f1@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:wYadnSXYwKlb9pXbnZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
>>> Ed, many folks here don't want a political discussion in a cycling group
>>> and I can respect that. Either email me to continue this privately or
>>> find a group where this discussion is welcome. I'll happily go there and
>>> trade barbs with you.
>>
>> Nonsense! All newsgroups need some political discussion to prevent
>> cerebral paralysis.
>
> No, Ed. The group has clearly expressed its opinion on the matter. You are
> taking advantage of the fact that it is an unmoderated public space. We
> have actual people like that in New York who stand around and scream about
> whatever is pissing them off. They are generally not considered welcome
> but if their behavior falls within certain limits, there is nothing that
> can be done.
>
> The difference between you and them is that they (and I'm guessing here
> because I've never actually talked to one) can't control their behavior.
> They have no sense of how their behavior effects others or they simply
> don't care. Now for all I know there may be no real difference between you
> and them but you are capable of understanding what the group has said on
> the subject.
>
> Go in peace Ed.
Well, keep this group flowing with good recumbent posts and I will not have
to weigh in with my wisdom. When I detect a vacuum of intelligence, then I
will give this group a good swift kick in the ass to wake them up. After
all, why should we constantly be reduced to the lowest common denominator -
which is imbecility. Nay, that is not likely to happen as long as the Great
Ed Dolan is here.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 08:47:28
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:aMidnSs6W5IaGJTbnZ2dnUVZ_q-vnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote in message
> news:130i7dhtl0gk9f1@news.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>> news:wYadnSXYwKlb9pXbnZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>>>> Ed, many folks here don't want a political discussion in a cycling
>>>> group and I can respect that. Either email me to continue this
>>>> privately or find a group where this discussion is welcome. I'll
>>>> happily go there and trade barbs with you.
>>>
>>> Nonsense! All newsgroups need some political discussion to prevent
>>> cerebral paralysis.
>>
>> No, Ed. The group has clearly expressed its opinion on the matter. You
>> are taking advantage of the fact that it is an unmoderated public space.
>> We have actual people like that in New York who stand around and scream
>> about whatever is pissing them off. They are generally not considered
>> welcome but if their behavior falls within certain limits, there is
>> nothing that can be done.
>>
>> The difference between you and them is that they (and I'm guessing here
>> because I've never actually talked to one) can't control their behavior.
>> They have no sense of how their behavior effects others or they simply
>> don't care. Now for all I know there may be no real difference between
>> you and them but you are capable of understanding what the group has said
>> on the subject.
>>
>> Go in peace Ed.
>
> Well, keep this group flowing with good recumbent posts and I will not
> have to weigh in with my wisdom. When I detect a vacuum of intelligence,
> then I will give this group a good swift kick in the ass to wake them up.
> After all, why should we constantly be reduced to the lowest common
> denominator - which is imbecility. Nay, that is not likely to happen as
> long as the Great Ed Dolan is here.
>
Good point. I left that one out. Many of these people in NY also suffer from
delusions of being far more important then they actually are. Probably the
only reason that they don't refer to themselves as "saints' or label
themselves as "great" is that they haven't thought of it. However, they do
have a dramatically different view of their importance to society than do
most of their neighbors. The number of parallels between you and them is
quite astounding. You do have a home, yes?
Jeff
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 17:20:28
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message
news:130kov0abc95280@news.supernews.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:aMidnSs6W5IaGJTbnZ2dnUVZ_q-vnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote in message
>> news:130i7dhtl0gk9f1@news.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>>> news:wYadnSXYwKlb9pXbnZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>
>>>>> Ed, many folks here don't want a political discussion in a cycling
>>>>> group and I can respect that. Either email me to continue this
>>>>> privately or find a group where this discussion is welcome. I'll
>>>>> happily go there and trade barbs with you.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense! All newsgroups need some political discussion to prevent
>>>> cerebral paralysis.
>>>
>>> No, Ed. The group has clearly expressed its opinion on the matter. You
>>> are taking advantage of the fact that it is an unmoderated public space.
>>> We have actual people like that in New York who stand around and scream
>>> about whatever is pissing them off. They are generally not considered
>>> welcome but if their behavior falls within certain limits, there is
>>> nothing that can be done.
>>>
>>> The difference between you and them is that they (and I'm guessing here
>>> because I've never actually talked to one) can't control their behavior.
>>> They have no sense of how their behavior effects others or they simply
>>> don't care. Now for all I know there may be no real difference between
>>> you and them but you are capable of understanding what the group has
>>> said on the subject.
>>>
>>> Go in peace Ed.
>>
>> Well, keep this group flowing with good recumbent posts and I will not
>> have to weigh in with my wisdom. When I detect a vacuum of intelligence,
>> then I will give this group a good swift kick in the ass to wake them up.
>> After all, why should we constantly be reduced to the lowest common
>> denominator - which is imbecility. Nay, that is not likely to happen as
>> long as the Great Ed Dolan is here.
>>
>
> Good point. I left that one out. Many of these people in NY also suffer
> from delusions of being far more important then they actually are.
> Probably the only reason that they don't refer to themselves as "saints'
> or label themselves as "great" is that they haven't thought of it.
> However, they do have a dramatically different view of their importance to
> society than do most of their neighbors. The number of parallels between
> you and them is quite astounding. You do have a home, yes?
I am truly pleased that my signature is finally having some impact on this
group. Why the hell do you think I created it in the first place - hmmm?
I became a Great Saint to offset all the evil denizens of this group who
liked to boast of their sinfulness. I think you once fell into that category
of evil yourself (lusting after women who were not your wife - although, by
the way, I can understand why any ried slob might want to lust after
strange women).
I believe I have improved the morality of this group by My Saintly
administrations and exhortations. Yea, not even Jeff Grippe boasts of his
lusts on this group anymore even though he may still lust. Well, it is the
tribute that vice pays to virtue and all due to Saint Edward the Great.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 28 Mar 2007 21:03:33
From: Jeff Grippe
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
Thanks for making my point for me Ed. If only you were a street person
there'd be a shelter that you could go to. Pity.
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:qrOdnVR6Tug8d5fbnZ2dnUVZ_oKnnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message
> news:130kov0abc95280@news.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>> news:aMidnSs6W5IaGJTbnZ2dnUVZ_q-vnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>
>>> "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote in message
>>> news:130i7dhtl0gk9f1@news.supernews.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:wYadnSXYwKlb9pXbnZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>>
>>>>>> Ed, many folks here don't want a political discussion in a cycling
>>>>>> group and I can respect that. Either email me to continue this
>>>>>> privately or find a group where this discussion is welcome. I'll
>>>>>> happily go there and trade barbs with you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense! All newsgroups need some political discussion to prevent
>>>>> cerebral paralysis.
>>>>
>>>> No, Ed. The group has clearly expressed its opinion on the matter. You
>>>> are taking advantage of the fact that it is an unmoderated public
>>>> space. We have actual people like that in New York who stand around and
>>>> scream about whatever is pissing them off. They are generally not
>>>> considered welcome but if their behavior falls within certain limits,
>>>> there is nothing that can be done.
>>>>
>>>> The difference between you and them is that they (and I'm guessing here
>>>> because I've never actually talked to one) can't control their
>>>> behavior. They have no sense of how their behavior effects others or
>>>> they simply don't care. Now for all I know there may be no real
>>>> difference between you and them but you are capable of understanding
>>>> what the group has said on the subject.
>>>>
>>>> Go in peace Ed.
>>>
>>> Well, keep this group flowing with good recumbent posts and I will not
>>> have to weigh in with my wisdom. When I detect a vacuum of intelligence,
>>> then I will give this group a good swift kick in the ass to wake them
>>> up. After all, why should we constantly be reduced to the lowest common
>>> denominator - which is imbecility. Nay, that is not likely to happen as
>>> long as the Great Ed Dolan is here.
>>>
>>
>> Good point. I left that one out. Many of these people in NY also suffer
>> from delusions of being far more important then they actually are.
>> Probably the only reason that they don't refer to themselves as "saints'
>> or label themselves as "great" is that they haven't thought of it.
>> However, they do have a dramatically different view of their importance
>> to society than do most of their neighbors. The number of parallels
>> between you and them is quite astounding. You do have a home, yes?
>
> I am truly pleased that my signature is finally having some impact on this
> group. Why the hell do you think I created it in the first place - hmmm?
>
> I became a Great Saint to offset all the evil denizens of this group who
> liked to boast of their sinfulness. I think you once fell into that
> category of evil yourself (lusting after women who were not your wife -
> although, by the way, I can understand why any ried slob might want to
> lust after strange women).
>
> I believe I have improved the morality of this group by My Saintly
> administrations and exhortations. Yea, not even Jeff Grippe boasts of his
> lusts on this group anymore even though he may still lust. Well, it is the
> tribute that vice pays to virtue and all due to Saint Edward the Great.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
>
>
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Date: 29 Mar 2007 20:53:55
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
|
"Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message
news:130m436r90vtcf@news.supernews.com...
ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
> Thanks for making my point for me Ed. If only you were a street person
> there'd be a shelter that you could go to. Pity.
Yeah, but we both know that is not true, don't we. I suggest you leave wit
to those who are capable of it.
The one and only soul who ever had any real wit on this newsgroup was a guy
who went by the user name of Skip. He was an expert at skewering liberals
like you with a minimum of words. A pity indeed that he is not here to do it
to you.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:qrOdnVR6Tug8d5fbnZ2dnUVZ_oKnnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message
>> news:130kov0abc95280@news.supernews.com...
>>>
>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>>> news:aMidnSs6W5IaGJTbnZ2dnUVZ_q-vnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Jeff Grippe" <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:130i7dhtl0gk9f1@news.supernews.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:wYadnSXYwKlb9pXbnZ2dnUVZ_umlnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed, many folks here don't want a political discussion in a cycling
>>>>>>> group and I can respect that. Either email me to continue this
>>>>>>> privately or find a group where this discussion is welcome. I'll
>>>>>>> happily go there and trade barbs with you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nonsense! All newsgroups need some political discussion to prevent
>>>>>> cerebral paralysis.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, Ed. The group has clearly expressed its opinion on the matter. You
>>>>> are taking advantage of the fact that it is an unmoderated public
>>>>> space. We have actual people like that in New York who stand around
>>>>> and scream about whatever is pissing them off. They are generally not
>>>>> considered welcome but if their behavior falls within certain limits,
>>>>> there is nothing that can be done.
>>>>>
>>>>> The difference between you and them is that they (and I'm guessing
>>>>> here because I've never actually talked to one) can't control their
>>>>> behavior. They have no sense of how their behavior effects others or
>>>>> they simply don't care. Now for all I know there may be no real
>>>>> difference between you and them but you are capable of understanding
>>>>> what the group has said on the subject.
>>>>>
>>>>> Go in peace Ed.
>>>>
>>>> Well, keep this group flowing with good recumbent posts and I will not
>>>> have to weigh in with my wisdom. When I detect a vacuum of
>>>> intelligence, then I will give this group a good swift kick in the ass
>>>> to wake them up. After all, why should we constantly be reduced to the
>>>> lowest common denominator - which is imbecility. Nay, that is not
>>>> likely to happen as long as the Great Ed Dolan is here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good point. I left that one out. Many of these people in NY also suffer
>>> from delusions of being far more important then they actually are.
>>> Probably the only reason that they don't refer to themselves as "saints'
>>> or label themselves as "great" is that they haven't thought of it.
>>> However, they do have a dramatically different view of their importance
>>> to society than do most of their neighbors. The number of parallels
>>> between you and them is quite astounding. You do have a home, yes?
>>
>> I am truly pleased that my signature is finally having some impact on
>> this group. Why the hell do you think I created it in the first place -
>> hmmm?
>>
>> I became a Great Saint to offset all the evil denizens of this group who
>> liked to boast of their sinfulness. I think you once fell into that
>> category of evil yourself (lusting after women who were not your wife -
>> although, by the way, I can understand why any ried slob might want to
>> lust after strange women).
>>
>> I believe I have improved the morality of this group by My Saintly
>> administrations and exhortations. Yea, not even Jeff Grippe boasts of his
>> lusts on this group anymore even though he may still lust. Well, it
>> (hypocrisy) is the tribute that vice pays to virtue and all due to Saint
>> Edward the Great.
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Date: 23 Mar 2007 16:43:06
From: Curtis L. Russell
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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On Fri, 23 2007 14:55:33 -0400, "Jeff Grippe"
<jgrippe@hilldun.com > wrote:
>Gee Ed, you've backed losers right along. I'd suggest betting on some other
>sport.
>
>> Unless you are willing to fight and die for democracy, you will lose your
>> freedom.
>
>You mean like Ghandi?
Well, you sure don't mean Ed Dolan. Unlike some that he calls cowards,
I rather doubt he has fought in any wars or worn any uniform except
that of librarian janitor.
The closest he has to a National Defense Service Medal is an old
bandaid for a paper cut. He has a lot of advice that he was never
quite up to making good on when he was younger and a lot of opinons
that he couldn't back up with action, ever.
All hat, no cattle. Ed Dolan, the effete town cowboy.
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
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Date: 26 Mar 2007 20:01:48
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Night Thoughts by Ed Dolan the Great - I
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"Curtis L. Russell" <curtis@md-bicycling.org > wrote in message
news:sge803phd2uh50fqpuophdgpmb8go7uaa9@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 23 2007 14:55:33 -0400, "Jeff Grippe"
> <jgrippe@hilldun.com> wrote:
>
>>Gee Ed, you've backed losers right along. I'd suggest betting on some
>>other
>>sport.
>>
>>> Unless you are willing to fight and die for democracy, you will lose
>>> your
>>> freedom.
>>
>>You mean like Ghandi?
>
> Well, you sure don't mean Ed Dolan. Unlike some that he calls cowards,
> I rather doubt he has fought in any wars or worn any uniform except
> that of librarian janitor.
>
> The closest he has to a National Defense Service Medal is an old
> bandaid for a paper cut. He has a lot of advice that he was never
> quite up to making good on when he was younger and a lot of opinons
> that he couldn't back up with action, ever.
>
> All hat, no cattle. Ed Dolan, the effete town cowboy.
Here we have old Curtis Russell of Odenton, yland weighing in on
something on which he doesn't have a clue. Well, it is always good to hear
from the peanut gallery so we can know just how stupid folks can get. He had
best stick to his imbecilic recumbent bicycle subjects and leave the heavy
lifting to those of us with brains.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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