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Date: 27 Apr 2005 16:54:12
From: NoComRulez
Subject: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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Now verified by onf of the few owners of both platforms who's a) got
hundreds of miles on each and b) is not on someone's payroll.
The course: standard bike trail commute, 17.5 miles, slight downhill
in, uphill and headwind back.
The platforms: Volae team, stock. NoCom with Renn disc and standard
spoked front wheel, FSA triple crank up front.
The data: Standard heart rate at cruising speed 160-175. At this
constant HR, speed on Volae Team on way in, 21-25 mph. Speeds on NoCom
27-32mph.
Bottom line: The team now gets used when I need to haul in clothes and
groceries, when I want to relax and smell the flowers, or when I expect
rain. Fine, fast-ish bike, but not even in the same league as the NoCom
when it comes to speed.
NoCom is also a better climber, as it is stiffer than any of the
single-tube stick bikes out there.
My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't
understand why this is even up for discussion."
Let's just say I've never seen her go 34mph on a flat on any
highwheeler...
In short, don't believe the BS. There's no comparison. Anyone who tells
you a highwheeler is even close, speedwise, is flat out lying. Buy a
highwheeler because you like the comfort. Or you like the speed
compared to the rest of the FOG trash out there. Or you don't want to
spend any time building it up a carbon-fiber sled or tweaking it to
perfection. But don't buy it if you want the fastest stick around.
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Date: 21 Aug 2005 05:17:12
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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On 27-Apr-2005, "NoComRulez" <NoComRulez@gmail.com > wrote:
> Now verified by onf of the few owners of both platforms who's a) got
> hundreds of miles on each and b) is not on someone's payroll.
>
> The course: standard bike trail commute, 17.5 miles, slight downhill
> in, uphill and headwind back.
>
> The platforms: Volae team, stock. NoCom with Renn disc and standard
> spoked front wheel, FSA triple crank up front.
>
> The data: Standard heart rate at cruising speed 160-175. At this
> constant HR, speed on Volae Team on way in, 21-25 mph. Speeds on NoCom
> 27-32mph.
>
> Bottom line: The team now gets used when I need to haul in clothes and
> groceries, when I want to relax and smell the flowers, or when I expect
> rain. Fine, fast-ish bike, but not even in the same league as the NoCom
> when it comes to speed.
>
> NoCom is also a better climber, as it is stiffer than any of the
> single-tube stick bikes out there.
>
> My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't
> understand why this is even up for discussion."
>
> Let's just say I've never seen her go 34mph on a flat on any
> highwheeler...
>
> In short, don't believe the BS. There's no comparison. Anyone who tells
> you a highwheeler is even close, speedwise, is flat out lying. Buy a
> highwheeler because you like the comfort. Or you like the speed
> compared to the rest of the FOG trash out there. Or you don't want to
> spend any time building it up a carbon-fiber sled or tweaking it to
> perfection. But don't buy it if you want the fastest stick around.
Yo Spidermonkey,
Even with your tricks of underinflating the tires and having the brakes
drag, my ReBike is still SLOWER than your NoCom.
DEAL WITH IT!
--
Johnny ReBike
ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe
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Date: 23 Aug 2005 02:18:45
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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"Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com > wrote in message
news:1124601587_569@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>
> On 27-Apr-2005, "NoComRulez" <NoComRulez@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Now verified by onf of the few owners of both platforms who's a) got
>> hundreds of miles on each and b) is not on someone's payroll.
>>
>> The course: standard bike trail commute, 17.5 miles, slight downhill
>> in, uphill and headwind back.
>>
>> The platforms: Volae team, stock. NoCom with Renn disc and standard
>> spoked front wheel, FSA triple crank up front.
>>
>> The data: Standard heart rate at cruising speed 160-175. At this
>> constant HR, speed on Volae Team on way in, 21-25 mph. Speeds on NoCom
>> 27-32mph.
>>
>> Bottom line: The team now gets used when I need to haul in clothes and
>> groceries, when I want to relax and smell the flowers, or when I expect
>> rain. Fine, fast-ish bike, but not even in the same league as the NoCom
>> when it comes to speed.
>>
>> NoCom is also a better climber, as it is stiffer than any of the
>> single-tube stick bikes out there.
>>
>> My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't
>> understand why this is even up for discussion."
>>
>> Let's just say I've never seen her go 34mph on a flat on any
>> highwheeler...
>>
>> In short, don't believe the BS. There's no comparison. Anyone who tells
>> you a highwheeler is even close, speedwise, is flat out lying. Buy a
>> highwheeler because you like the comfort. Or you like the speed
>> compared to the rest of the FOG trash out there. Or you don't want to
>> spend any time building it up a carbon-fiber sled or tweaking it to
>> perfection. But don't buy it if you want the fastest stick around.
>
> Yo Spidermonkey,
>
> Even with your tricks of underinflating the tires and having the brakes
> drag, my ReBike is still SLOWER than your NoCom.
>
> DEAL WITH IT!
Yo Ed Gin!
I wouldn't mind being a bit faster than I already am. I am prepared to deal
with it!
Unfortunately, I have one of the world's highest blood pressures (240/120)
and I also have an extremely high heart rate (120) and so I have to take
many blood pressure medications and a beta blocker which keeps a governor on
my heart rate. I am also getting older and am anticipating falling into the
grave fairly soon. In short, I am a mess. If only I could be like you - full
of vim and vigor! Please God - why is life so unfair!
But I ask you, will a low racer be faster than my Tour Easy? Please get back
to me immediately on this as I may soon be slumbering at the local cemetery
at which point your fastest bike will no longer concern me. The main thing
at this point in my life is that I would like to be faster on my bike like
you - even if it kills me. Hells Bells, life is not worth living if you
can't be fast on your bike!
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 26 Aug 2005 09:56:01
From: merryfreakinxmas
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:qoednSu1S6BKUJfeRVn-vg@prairiewave.com...
>
> Unfortunately, I have one of the world's highest blood pressures (240/120)
> and I also have an extremely high heart rate (120) and so I have to take
> many blood pressure medications and a beta blocker which keeps a governor
> on my heart rate. I am also getting older and am anticipating falling into
> the grave fairly soon. In short, I am a mess. If only I could be like
> you - full of vim and vigor! Please God - why is life so unfair!
because you su-diddly-uk
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Date: 26 Aug 2005 21:38:46
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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"merryfreakinxmas" <merryfreakinxmas@eastlink.ca > wrote in message
news:RGBPe.239861$on1.79839@clgrps13...
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> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:qoednSu1S6BKUJfeRVn-vg@prairiewave.com...
>
>>
>> Unfortunately, I have one of the world's highest blood pressures
>> (240/120) and I also have an extremely high heart rate (120) and so I
>> have to take many blood pressure medications and a beta blocker which
>> keeps a governor on my heart rate. I am also getting older and am
>> anticipating falling into the grave fairly soon. In short, I am a mess.
>> If only I could be like you - full of vim and vigor! Please God - why is
>> life so unfair!
>
> because you su-diddly-uk
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vjzlhjgjjhjobjobk-sytijsop'bkvpgcpdbotjgjg
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 24 Aug 2005 00:35:19
From: Johnny ReBike
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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On 23-Aug-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote:
> "Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
> news:1124601587_569@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
> >
> > On 27-Apr-2005, "NoComRulez" <NoComRulez@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Now verified by onf of the few owners of both platforms who's a) got
> >> hundreds of miles on each and b) is not on someone's payroll.
> >>
> >> The course: standard bike trail commute, 17.5 miles, slight downhill
> >> in, uphill and headwind back.
> >>
> >> The platforms: Volae team, stock. NoCom with Renn disc and standard
> >> spoked front wheel, FSA triple crank up front.
> >>
> >> The data: Standard heart rate at cruising speed 160-175. At this
> >> constant HR, speed on Volae Team on way in, 21-25 mph. Speeds on NoCom
> >> 27-32mph.
> >>
> >> Bottom line: The team now gets used when I need to haul in clothes and
> >> groceries, when I want to relax and smell the flowers, or when I expect
> >> rain. Fine, fast-ish bike, but not even in the same league as the NoCom
> >> when it comes to speed.
> >>
> >> NoCom is also a better climber, as it is stiffer than any of the
> >> single-tube stick bikes out there.
> >>
> >> My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't
> >> understand why this is even up for discussion."
> >>
> >> Let's just say I've never seen her go 34mph on a flat on any
> >> highwheeler...
> >>
> >> In short, don't believe the BS. There's no comparison. Anyone who tells
> >> you a highwheeler is even close, speedwise, is flat out lying. Buy a
> >> highwheeler because you like the comfort. Or you like the speed
> >> compared to the rest of the FOG trash out there. Or you don't want to
> >> spend any time building it up a carbon-fiber sled or tweaking it to
> >> perfection. But don't buy it if you want the fastest stick around.
> >
> > Yo Spidermonkey,
> >
> > Even with your tricks of underinflating the tires and having the brakes
> > drag, my ReBike is still SLOWER than your NoCom.
> >
> > DEAL WITH IT!
>
> Yo Ed Gin!
>
> I wouldn't mind being a bit faster than I already am. I am prepared to
> deal
> with it!
dOLAN,
Ed Gin ain't Johnny ReBike and he ain't slow. Ed Gin is the fastest AARP
member on two pedal powered wheels.
To be wothy of a NoCom, you have to have the stuff like Ed Gin, Johnny NoCom
and Spidermonkey. Impotent old men that don't bathe themselves are not
worthy of the FASTEST STOCK BIKE IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE.
--
Johnny ReBike
ReBike - Slowest Bike in the Known Universe
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Date: 23 Aug 2005 22:36:40
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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"Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com > wrote in message
news:1124843870_2955@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>
> On 23-Aug-2005, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>
>> "Johnny ReBike" <JohnnyReBike@mouse-potato.com> wrote in message
>> news:1124601587_569@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
>> >
>> > On 27-Apr-2005, "NoComRulez" <NoComRulez@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Now verified by onf of the few owners of both platforms who's a) got
>> >> hundreds of miles on each and b) is not on someone's payroll.
>> >>
>> >> The course: standard bike trail commute, 17.5 miles, slight downhill
>> >> in, uphill and headwind back.
>> >>
>> >> The platforms: Volae team, stock. NoCom with Renn disc and standard
>> >> spoked front wheel, FSA triple crank up front.
>> >>
>> >> The data: Standard heart rate at cruising speed 160-175. At this
>> >> constant HR, speed on Volae Team on way in, 21-25 mph. Speeds on NoCom
>> >> 27-32mph.
>> >>
>> >> Bottom line: The team now gets used when I need to haul in clothes and
>> >> groceries, when I want to relax and smell the flowers, or when I
>> >> expect
>> >> rain. Fine, fast-ish bike, but not even in the same league as the
>> >> NoCom
>> >> when it comes to speed.
>> >>
>> >> NoCom is also a better climber, as it is stiffer than any of the
>> >> single-tube stick bikes out there.
>> >>
>> >> My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't
>> >> understand why this is even up for discussion."
>> >>
>> >> Let's just say I've never seen her go 34mph on a flat on any
>> >> highwheeler...
>> >>
>> >> In short, don't believe the BS. There's no comparison. Anyone who
>> >> tells
>> >> you a highwheeler is even close, speedwise, is flat out lying. Buy a
>> >> highwheeler because you like the comfort. Or you like the speed
>> >> compared to the rest of the FOG trash out there. Or you don't want to
>> >> spend any time building it up a carbon-fiber sled or tweaking it to
>> >> perfection. But don't buy it if you want the fastest stick around.
>> >
>> > Yo Spidermonkey,
>> >
>> > Even with your tricks of underinflating the tires and having the brakes
>> > drag, my ReBike is still SLOWER than your NoCom.
>> >
>> > DEAL WITH IT!
>>
>> Yo Ed Gin!
>>
>> I wouldn't mind being a bit faster than I already am. I am prepared to
>> deal
>> with it!
>
> dOLAN,
>
> Ed Gin ain't Johnny ReBike and he ain't slow. Ed Gin is the fastest AARP
> member on two pedal powered wheels.
>
> To be wothy of a NoCom, you have to have the stuff like Ed Gin, Johnny
> NoCom
> and Spidermonkey. Impotent old men that don't bathe themselves are not
> worthy of the FASTEST STOCK BIKE IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE.
Many thanks Ed Gin. I realize I am not worthy of a low racer. I will stay on
my Tour Easy and plug along in my inimitable manner. Since my only
destination is the local cemetery, I am not too concerned about ever going
fast. After all, there is no hurry about getting to the local cemetery since
once you are dead you are dead for all eternity.
--
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 19 May 2005 23:46:41
From:
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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k Leuck wrote:
> <magillagorillakk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1116306731.630518.161610@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > So if I were to call them and ask if "magillagorillakk" was on
their
> > team
> > they'd say yes? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > I am not on there team. I was on there team. I quit.
> > You see fast recumbents have a big identity crisis. Fat old guys
have
> > taken over the industry. So the Aero and bikes like it are on the
> > gin and that includes the Moster NoCom also.
>
> I somewhat agree with parts of that although I wouldn't suggest they
are old
> and fat. I've only been riding recumbents since 2002 and as far as I
can
> tell I'm the fastest recumbent rider I've ever met. It doesn't mean
I'm that
> fast but everyone else tends to be slow. I just rode with a friend
who went
> from a Haluzak Horizon to a 20 year old Shwinn road bike and his
average
> speed jumped at least 5mph
>
> For all the claims of recumbents being more efficient and/or faster,
SOME
> are faster yet MANY aren't
>
> > Trikes are all the rage and that is the deal. I saw this happening
and
> > of course was totally embarased by it.
>
> Sounds like a personal problem, while I have no interest in trikes I
have
> nothing against them
>
> > So grow your beard and your aero bellie and get yourself a trike!
You
> > will fit in just fine if you follow my advice k.
>
> Already have a beard but lost the belly
>
> > Sorry to say it but the Aero is faster than a Baron on a hilly
course.
>
> If you say so, my experience is the opposite, I will say the Aero is
an
> excellent and damn nice looking bike tho.
>
> > So those out there advocating old school lowracers as the best
thing
> > out there are plain wrong. And Team Bacchetta will kill any US
based
> > Baron riders that are not already on NoComs. FACT!
>
> Here we go again, like I say to the NoComm riders lets see the
results, I
> have no doubt both the Aero and the NoComm are fast bikes but so are
many
> others
>
> > So as my Bud Rich Pinto would say "ride whatever bike you want to
> > ride".
>
> Sounds like Rich Pinto is someone who doesn't have to slam everyone
else to
> promote a particular bike
k,
You can agree or disagree but I beat the best on Baron old school
lowracer's at monkey Island and up in Stevens point Wisconsin on the
Aero as a team Bacchetta member. So with all due respect you just do
not know what you are talking about.
I would if I were you sell your Baron while you can still get a good
buck for it. Most in bentland think its fast but wait till the carbon
low deal gets out. After that you will have to take it to the recycling
center.
The Aero on the other hand is slower than the NoCom but will live on
since it is a better designed recumbent bicycle that is both more
visible and lighter than any old school metal lowracer. To each his own
k but I would sell it as fast as I could.
MG
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Date: 16 May 2005 22:57:34
From:
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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Peter,
You are of course a st guy and I am a dumb guy but what is the deal
with trikes and speed? Fast light unfaired carbon fiber lowracers are
the fastest unfaired recumbents in the world. I just do not see any
argument on this fact? Maybe I am wrong but I think not. And yes I know
some of the NoCom riders lack in the social graces. But should this
reflect on the design?
Yes this is a discussion group and lets discuss this issue?
God knows its locked out every where else in bentland.
So maybe its time to bury the hatchet with this NoCom thing?
Just one dumb guys opinion.
MG
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Date: 16 May 2005 22:22:44
From:
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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<<<Sorry Dude. I simply mistook your statement "I just got kicked off
of our
Tuesday nite group ride for riding to fast" to mean you were talking
about
yourself getting kicked off and not your bicycle. My mistake. >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>,snip.
I need to be more consise in my statements. The group does not have a
problem with me but they have a big problem with the Aero.
I of course disagree with this sentiment. On a group ride and not a
race any biker should be welcomed and allowed to ride with the group.
I simply do not see any problems with that kind of thing so I posted on
my Blog: www.magillagorillakk.blogspot.com
read my blog and some of the comments. Most of my readers are benters
and have that perspective. And of course it's satire so not to really
offend.
You might of course find my experience funny but I think a lot of bent
folk have this sort of thing happen more than you would imagine!
MG
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Date: 16 May 2005 22:12:11
From:
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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So if I were to call them and ask if "magillagorillakk" was on their
team
they'd say yes? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I am not on there team. I was on there team. I quit.
You see fast recumbents have a big identity crisis. Fat old guys have
taken over the industry. So the Aero and bikes like it are on the
gin and that includes the Moster NoCom also.
Trikes are all the rage and that is the deal. I saw this happening and
of course was totally embarased by it.
So grow your beard and your aero bellie and get yourself a trike! You
will fit in just fine if you follow my advice k.
Sorry to say it but the Aero is faster than a Baron on a hilly course.
So those out there advocating old school lowracers as the best thing
out there are plain wrong. And Team Bacchetta will kill any US based
Baron riders that are not already on NoComs. FACT!
So as my Bud Rich Pinto would say "ride whatever bike you want to
ride".
MG
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Date: 17 May 2005 21:25:40
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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<magillagorillakk@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1116306731.630518.161610@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> So if I were to call them and ask if "magillagorillakk" was on their
> team
> they'd say yes? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> I am not on there team. I was on there team. I quit.
> You see fast recumbents have a big identity crisis. Fat old guys have
> taken over the industry. So the Aero and bikes like it are on the
> gin and that includes the Moster NoCom also.
I somewhat agree with parts of that although I wouldn't suggest they are old
and fat. I've only been riding recumbents since 2002 and as far as I can
tell I'm the fastest recumbent rider I've ever met. It doesn't mean I'm that
fast but everyone else tends to be slow. I just rode with a friend who went
from a Haluzak Horizon to a 20 year old Shwinn road bike and his average
speed jumped at least 5mph
For all the claims of recumbents being more efficient and/or faster, SOME
are faster yet MANY aren't
> Trikes are all the rage and that is the deal. I saw this happening and
> of course was totally embarased by it.
Sounds like a personal problem, while I have no interest in trikes I have
nothing against them
> So grow your beard and your aero bellie and get yourself a trike! You
> will fit in just fine if you follow my advice k.
Already have a beard but lost the belly
> Sorry to say it but the Aero is faster than a Baron on a hilly course.
If you say so, my experience is the opposite, I will say the Aero is an
excellent and damn nice looking bike tho.
> So those out there advocating old school lowracers as the best thing
> out there are plain wrong. And Team Bacchetta will kill any US based
> Baron riders that are not already on NoComs. FACT!
Here we go again, like I say to the NoComm riders lets see the results, I
have no doubt both the Aero and the NoComm are fast bikes but so are many
others
> So as my Bud Rich Pinto would say "ride whatever bike you want to
> ride".
Sounds like Rich Pinto is someone who doesn't have to slam everyone else to
promote a particular bike
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Date: 16 May 2005 00:00:39
From:
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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My advice is to quit now, since Ed/Johnny has done all he could to ruin
Velocraft's reputation in the US I'd think Bacchetta might not like you
doing the same with their brand. Then again it would be fun to see a
Bacchetta/Nocomm competition, if only to watch you two bitch at each
other.
Nobody here expects either of you to do something silly and actually
ride
. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You are a fucking knobshine forsure dude.
I put Bacchetta on the map and was one of there first team riders man.
Ask Rich pinto.
To bad they sold out to the fat asses like yourself. I quit the team
and with hindsight made a bloody good decision. Fat asses and slow
recumbents go together and of course the fat assed rallys.
So drink a beer on me and get that ass of yours really big for the next
BROL rally.
Rich, John and k make great speed bikes but have sold out to the fat
assed crowd such as youself. They know its true but will never admit to
it especially Rich Pinto.
My advice to Pinto is to quit Bacchetta and start a small start up
'bent speed bike company. Bacchetta is a totally fat assed institution.
MG
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Date: 16 May 2005 21:59:33
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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<magillagorillakk@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1116226839.465492.107920@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> My advice is to quit now, since Ed/Johnny has done all he could to ruin
> Velocraft's reputation in the US I'd think Bacchetta might not like you
> doing the same with their brand. Then again it would be fun to see a
> Bacchetta/Nocomm competition, if only to watch you two bitch at each
> other.
> Nobody here expects either of you to do something silly and actually
> ride
> .>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> You are a fucking knobshine forsure dude.
> I put Bacchetta on the map and was one of there first team riders man.
> Ask Rich pinto.
> To bad they sold out to the fat asses like yourself. I quit the team
> and with hindsight made a bloody good decision. Fat asses and slow
> recumbents go together and of course the fat assed rallys.
> So drink a beer on me and get that ass of yours really big for the next
> BROL rally.
> Rich, John and k make great speed bikes but have sold out to the fat
> assed crowd such as youself. They know its true but will never admit to
> it especially Rich Pinto.
> My advice to Pinto is to quit Bacchetta and start a small start up
> 'bent speed bike company. Bacchetta is a totally fat assed institution.
>
> MG
So if I were to call them and ask if "magillagorillakk" was on their team
they'd say yes?
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Date: 15 May 2005 22:19:10
From:
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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I don't think I've ever heard someone tell me "You can't ride with us
because your too fast"
GoAwayTroll sounds like Ed Gin/Johnny Nocomm's alter ego
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
Sorry not Ed Gin.
But speed bikes and DF bikes do not mix. But on a public road I will
ride what ever bike I feel like riding and no one will tell me
otherwise. They have no power to stop me. None. Zip. Nada.
A good rider on a recumbent speed bike will always be faster than a DF
rider. This is a fact of life with the new designs that are out there.
Its just to bad that there are so many BROL losers out there that are
to focking fat and slow to take advantage of the new super speed bikes
that one can buy.
MG
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Date: 16 May 2005 01:21:24
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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<magillagorillakk@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1116220750.805499.319680@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> I don't think I've ever heard someone tell me "You can't ride with us
> because your too fast"
>
> GoAwayTroll sounds like Ed Gin/Johnny Nocomm's alter ego
> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
>
> Sorry not Ed Gin.
> But speed bikes and DF bikes do not mix. But on a public road I will
> ride what ever bike I feel like riding and no one will tell me
> otherwise. They have no power to stop me. None. Zip. Nada.
> A good rider on a recumbent speed bike will always be faster than a DF
> rider. This is a fact of life with the new designs that are out there.
> Its just to bad that there are so many BROL losers out there that are
> to focking fat and slow to take advantage of the new super speed bikes
> that one can buy.
>
> MG
My advice is to quit now, since Ed/Johnny has done all he could to ruin
Velocraft's reputation in the US I'd think Bacchetta might not like you
doing the same with their brand. Then again it would be fun to see a
Bacchetta/Nocomm competition, if only to watch you two bitch at each other.
Nobody here expects either of you to do something silly and actually ride
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Date: 15 May 2005 22:12:18
From:
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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Sorry Dude but I am not banned from the ride. My Bicycle the Aero is
banned.
I simply must have a DF bike to ride with the group.
I do usually do ride DF but I just do not like being told what to do on
a public roadway so if I want to ride the Aero I will ride it. Not much
they can do to stop me. And I invited some of the Chi-town lowracer
NoCom owners to come it they want to. I would of course k the course
since the pack would become little dots in the NoCom riders rear view
mirrors.
MG
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Date: 16 May 2005 14:56:43
From: HHS
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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<magillagorillakk@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1116220338.747750.30690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Sorry Dude but I am not banned from the ride. My Bicycle the Aero is
> banned.
> I simply must have a DF bike to ride with the group.
> I do usually do ride DF but I just do not like being told what to do on
> a public roadway so if I want to ride the Aero I will ride it. Not much
> they can do to stop me. And I invited some of the Chi-town lowracer
> NoCom owners to come it they want to. I would of course k the course
> since the pack would become little dots in the NoCom riders rear view
> mirrors.
>
> MG
>
Sorry Dude. I simply mistook your statement "I just got kicked off of our
Tuesday nite group ride for riding to fast" to mean you were talking about
yourself getting kicked off and not your bicycle. My mistake.
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Date: 14 May 2005 13:32:38
From:
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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Peter Clinch wrote:
> Ed Gin wrote:
> > Now Peter,
> >
> > That is a stupid post. You're comparing a FULLY HARDSHELLED FAIRED
hpv to a STOCK CLASS
> > one?
>
> Now Ed, you posted, with no context whatsoever, that "Trikes are not
> competive vs. two wheeled lowracers", and my post was to demonstrate
> that you require context if you want anyone to pay attention to what
is
> otherwise a sweeping generalisation.
>
> > With your credentials, one might have thought you KNEW something?
>
> And what credentials might those be, and how have you demonstarted
that
> I don't know anything? Like I said, it "depends on the race". And
so
> it does. There are some races where a NoCom is very probably the
best
> you could have, and there are others where it isn't.
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
Wow!
Just saw this thread!
Now I know some of the guys that own the new NoCom's and I can tell you
that they are the fastest lowracer's out there. Trikes? You have got to
be kidding? Right? For unfaired speed? And as uasual Ed Gin is right on
all points. So what if the NoCom guys were rude! That simply does not
make the bike any slower than what it is. The Baron is old school and
my Bacchetta Aero is faster than a Baron old school lowracer. I should
know I beat plenty of people on them.
Just ask Ed he will tell you!
I doubt the owner of the Volae's claims of 5 mph speed increase with
the NoCom but I bet its at least 10% faster than the fastest high bike
or old school lowracer out there.
And to Brol. Brol's ket is not speed bikes like the NoCom or Baron
or Bacchetta Aero.
So going there for any objective opinions on the subject to be kind is
a waste of time. By the end of this race season we shall see just how
fast this NoCom really Is. I think I know already the answer to that
one.
Do I need a NoCom? Nope! My Aero is plenty fast for what I ride it for.
I just got kicked off of our Tuesday nite group ride for riding to
fast. So what's the point of a NoCom? I don't do circle races.
Speed bikes have a real identity crisis. They don't fit in the fast DF
world and the F.O.G bent riders hate them to. $6000.00 for a circle
race on a NoCom?
Not for me gentlemen.
MG
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Date: 16 May 2005 10:13:42
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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magillagorillakk@hotmail.com wrote:
> Now I know some of the guys that own the new NoCom's and I can tell you
> that they are the fastest lowracer's out there. Trikes? You have got to
> be kidding? Right? For unfaired speed?
Where did I say any such thing as a sweeping catch-all? I said whether
a cycle is quicker is often dependent on the race conditions, nothing
more, nothing less.
> all points. So what if the NoCom guys were rude! That simply does not
> make the bike any slower than what it is.
Indeed it doesn't, but it doesn't make for a good discussion. This is a
discussion board, in case you hadn't noticed.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 15 May 2005 20:44:03
From: HHS
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
<magillagorillakk@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1116102758.326716.242230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
<snip >
> I just got kicked off of our Tuesday nite group ride for riding to
> fast.
Why would someone get kicked of an informal Tuesday night group ride for
being too fast? How could that possibly be a problem for a group?
Are you sure there weren't some other reasons why they kicked you off the
ride? Like Monkey Island refugee
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Date: 15 May 2005 22:48:10
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"HHS" <hhs@lifeisgrand.com > wrote in message
news:pZudneSMdsp5ZxrfRVn-gg@giganews.com...
>
> <magillagorillakk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1116102758.326716.242230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> <snip>
> > I just got kicked off of our Tuesday nite group ride for riding to
> > fast.
>
> Why would someone get kicked of an informal Tuesday night group ride for
> being too fast? How could that possibly be a problem for a group?
>
> Are you sure there weren't some other reasons why they kicked you off the
> ride? Like Monkey Island refugee
I don't think I've ever heard someone tell me "You can't ride with us
because your too fast"
GoAwayTroll sounds like Ed Gin/Johnny Nocomm's alter ego
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Date: 15 May 2005 01:40:17
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
<magillagorillakk@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1116102758.326716.242230@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Wow!
>
> Just saw this thread!
> Now I know some of the guys that own the new NoCom's and I can tell you
> that they are the fastest lowracer's out there. Trikes? You have got to
> be kidding? Right? For unfaired speed? And as uasual Ed Gin is right on
> all points. So what if the NoCom guys were rude! That simply does not
> make the bike any slower than what it is. The Baron is old school and
> my Bacchetta Aero is faster than a Baron old school lowracer. I should
> know I beat plenty of people on them.
Funny you mentioned that, I beat a Bacchetta Aero today on my Baron (not
even a lowracer)
And that was after doing 85 miles
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Date: 15 May 2005 09:53:06
From: GoAwayTroll
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
k Leuck Wrote:
> Funny you mentioned that, I beat a Bacchetta Aero today on my Baron (no
> even a lowracer) And that was after doing 85 miles
And k, which races have you entered with your Baron? All of thi
talk of beating someone is much ado about nothing. I have a slo
riding friend who bought an AERO because as she put it: "I can".
Get thee to a race and then post how well you did or post about ho
you've gotten faster because you did regimen A or B, etc. But this "
beat ..." is simply braggadacio at its worst
--
GoAwayTroll
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Date: 15 May 2005 13:04:36
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"GoAwayTroll" <GoAwayTroll.1p2rxm@news.forumbanter.com > wrote in message
news:GoAwayTroll.1p2rxm@news.forumbanter.com...
>
> k Leuck Wrote:
> > Funny you mentioned that, I beat a Bacchetta Aero today on my Baron (not
> > even a lowracer) And that was after doing 85 miles
>
> And k, which races have you entered with your Baron? All of this
> talk of beating someone is much ado about nothing. I have a slow
> riding friend who bought an AERO because as she put it: "I can".
>
> Get thee to a race and then post how well you did or post about how
> you've gotten faster because you did regimen A or B, etc. But this "I
> beat ..." is simply braggadacio at its worst.
You mentioned nothing about races, you stated the Baron is old school and
the Bacchetta is faster, my experience is different, it sounds like your the
one bragging
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Date: 16 May 2005 05:22:36
From: GoAwayTroll
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
k Leuck Wrote:
> "GoAwayTroll" GoAwayTroll.1p2rxm@news.forumbanter.com wrote in message
> news:GoAwayTroll.1p2rxm@news.forumbanter.com...-
>
> k Leuck Wrote:-
> Funny you mentioned that, I beat a Bacchetta Aero today on my Baro
> (not
> even a lowracer) And that was after doing 85 miles-
>
> And k, which races have you entered with your Baron? All of this
> talk of beating someone is much ado about nothing. I have a slow
> riding friend who bought an AERO because as she put it: "I can".
>
> Get thee to a race and then post how well you did or post about how
> you've gotten faster because you did regimen A or B, etc. But thi
> "I
> beat ..." is simply braggadacio at its worst.-
>
> You mentioned nothing about races, you stated the Baron is old schoo
> and
> the Bacchetta is faster, my experience is different, it sounds lik
> your the
> one bragging
k,
I didn't mention anything about a Baron being old school. You said yo
beat someone. My arguement: Go do it in a race and then post
--
GoAwayTroll
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Date: 10 May 2005 18:03:56
From:
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Peter,
You meant...
alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.racing.lowracer.
NoComRules.EverythingElseSucksBecauseHEADGinSaysSo ... didn't you?
Jim
Peter Clinch wrote:
> Ed Gin wrote:
>
> > In the racing arena, speed is the priority. The Streetmachine,
by the
> > way is a very competent bike especially for the reasons you stated.
>
> Acknowledged, but my point was that it would be nice if so many of
your
> posts didn't appear to be based on the assumption that this group is
> called alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.racing.unfaired
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 11 May 2005 08:58:49
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
jimmymac_4@yahoo.com wrote:
> You meant...
>
> alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.racing.lowracer.
> NoComRules.EverythingElseSucksBecauseHEADGinSaysSo ... didn't you?
Along those lines, though it still needs an "unfaired" in there... ;-/
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 04 May 2005 11:31:40
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
NoCom Rulez,
Your point is well heeded. Just wait as the season progresses. Your
current "out of shape 34 mph" sprint speed will move into the 40's. Three
of our Chicago based NoCom riders are in that range year round.
Freewheeling's dismal 34 speed on a "old school" lowbike, Baron,
Jester, M-5 steel, etc. will never experience what real speed is all
about.
Ed Gin
NoComRulez wrote:
> Now THAT's an example of crap that makes no difference. Sean Costin can
> sprint faster than that on an upright. Doesn't have anything to do with
> the discussion here, which is the major speed difference with a same
> rider at the same effort on the same course...
>
> On a related note, I've been riding the highwheeler the past few days,
> and it is indeed at least 5 mph slower. I guess my breakfast must be
> wrong, eh Freewheeler? Of course, I eat the same thing every day...
> Must be the moon phase then? Tides? Couldn't be the bike, not with all
> these geniuses who've never ridden either platform chiming in with
> their educated conclusions...
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Date: 04 May 2005 19:19:49
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"Ed Gin" <edgin@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:4278C04F.D7F1A57B@sbcglobal.net...
> NoCom Rulez,
>
> Your point is well heeded. Just wait as the season progresses. Your
> current "out of shape 34 mph" sprint speed will move into the 40's. Three
> of our Chicago based NoCom riders are in that range year round.
>
> Freewheeling's dismal 34 speed on a "old school" lowbike, Baron,
> Jester, M-5 steel, etc. will never experience what real speed is all
> about.
>
> Ed Gin
>
Fair enough, lets see the results posted when it happens
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Date: 05 May 2005 05:03:06
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
k,
When is not relevant, that's history. See this thread:
http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=8590
Note two specific examples of Neil racing the the BHPC series at over 30 mph
for 10 miles.
Another recent event had him lapping the field twice.
Chicago NoCom's run in the 40 mph range for substantial pulls, not just a
momentary top speed sprint.
And finally, my PB for a senior citizen was over 30 mph average for 15 miles.
Please note in each instance, drafting was NOT REQUIRED...........
Ed Gin
k Leuck wrote:
> "Ed Gin" <edgin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:4278C04F.D7F1A57B@sbcglobal.net...
> > NoCom Rulez,
> >
> > Your point is well heeded. Just wait as the season progresses. Your
> > current "out of shape 34 mph" sprint speed will move into the 40's. Three
> > of our Chicago based NoCom riders are in that range year round.
> >
> > Freewheeling's dismal 34 speed on a "old school" lowbike, Baron,
> > Jester, M-5 steel, etc. will never experience what real speed is all
> > about.
> >
> > Ed Gin
> >
>
> Fair enough, lets see the results posted when it happens
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Date: 05 May 2005 00:29:58
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"Ed Gin" <edgin@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:4279B6BD.8CB9F58D@sbcglobal.net...
> k,
>
> When is not relevant, that's history. See this thread:
>
> http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=8590
>
> Note two specific examples of Neil racing the the BHPC series at over 30
mph
> for 10 miles.
> Another recent event had him lapping the field twice.
>
> Chicago NoCom's run in the 40 mph range for substantial pulls, not just a
> momentary top speed sprint.
>
> And finally, my PB for a senior citizen was over 30 mph average for 15
miles.
>
> Please note in each instance, drafting was NOT REQUIRED...........
>
> Ed Gin
That's someone's posting, I'd rather see a few results from official
websites
I never draft either
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Date: 06 May 2005 00:39:23
From: Johnny NoCom
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
k,
Look here:
http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/newport05.html
Note Neil's 30.3 mph average for the race......"official" enough?
And how often do YOU ride at over 30 mph???????
Ed Gin
k Leuck wrote:
> "Ed Gin" <edgin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:4279B6BD.8CB9F58D@sbcglobal.net...
> > k,
> >
> > When is not relevant, that's history. See this thread:
> >
> > http://www.bentrideronline.com/messageboard/showthread.php?t=8590
> >
> > Note two specific examples of Neil racing the the BHPC series at over 30
> mph
> > for 10 miles.
> > Another recent event had him lapping the field twice.
> >
> > Chicago NoCom's run in the 40 mph range for substantial pulls, not just a
> > momentary top speed sprint.
> >
> > And finally, my PB for a senior citizen was over 30 mph average for 15
> miles.
> >
> > Please note in each instance, drafting was NOT REQUIRED...........
> >
> > Ed Gin
>
> That's someone's posting, I'd rather see a few results from official
> websites
>
> I never draft either
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Date: 05 May 2005 23:59:59
From: Joao de Souza
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Johnny NoCom signed off:
>
> Ed Gin
Hey Ed. You forgot to change the settings on your computer again.
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Date: 08 May 2005 01:03:06
From: nget
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Joao de Souza Wrote:
> Johnny NoCom signed off:
> >
> > Ed Gin
>
> Hey Ed. You forgot to change the settings on your computer again.
Why was there no reply to this post?
--
nget
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Date: 08 May 2005 03:08:29
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
How's this for a reply? Nget, Joao, and anyone who wants $10,000
just prove I am the author of all the Johnny NoCom posts.
Ed Gin....
nget wrote:
> Joao de Souza Wrote:
> > Johnny NoCom signed off:
> > >
> > > Ed Gin
> >
> > Hey Ed. You forgot to change the settings on your computer again.
> Why was there no reply to this post?
>
> --
> nget
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Date: 09 May 2005 01:52:22
From: nget
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Ed Gin Wrote:
> How's this for a reply? Nget, Joao, and anyone who wants $10,000
> just prove I am the author of all the Johnny NoCom posts.
>
> Ed Gin....
>
> nget wrote:
>
> > Joao de Souza Wrote:
> > > Johnny NoCom signed off:
> > > >
> > > > Ed Gin
> > >
> > > Hey Ed. You forgot to change the settings on your computer again.
> > Why was there no reply to this post?
> >
> > --
> > nget
I will speak for myself.I do not want your money nor do I want anothe
peep from your barking poodle
--
nget
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Date: 07 May 2005 08:02:39
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Joao,
Up to your old accusations again huh?
You'll never get it, the "author" of material submitted via the net is
not limited to the posting computer. All the "witchhunting" efforts on
your part and BROL members have proven nothing conclusive as to the
identity of Johnny NoCom.
Matter of fact, I couldn't give a hoot what you guys think.
Why don't you gather all your resources and seek legal remedy for the
posts you find offensive.
Ed Gin
Joao de Souza wrote:
> Johnny NoCom signed off:
> >
> > Ed Gin
>
> Hey Ed. You forgot to change the settings on your computer again.
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Date: 07 May 2005 22:53:30
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
On Sat, 07 May 2005 08:02:39 GMT, Ed Gin <edgin@sbcglobal.net > wrote
in message <427C83D4.9A6170AB@sbcglobal.net >:
>Matter of fact, I couldn't give a hoot what you guys think.
If that were true you would not keep referring to it.
Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
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Date: 07 May 2005 17:51:07
From: Joao de Souza
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Jumpen' Jesus on a pogo stick! You're still trying to weasel your way
out of this one? This is like that scene on Monty Python and The Holy
Grail where the Black Knight is trying to bravely stand his ground as he
gets his limbs chopped off one by one.
And it's not a hunt when you walk by a dead monkey on the road then tell
the others "Hey guys! Check out the dead monkey!"
--
Joao "none shall pass" de Souza
http://allgoodnamesrtaken.com/black-knight.rm
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Date: 08 May 2005 03:06:15
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Joao,
I've offered a lucrative multi thousand dollar offer to you before.
How about this one? Prove conclusively I am the author of posts as
Johnny NoCom and I'll happily hand you $10,000 in USA Dollars.
And remember, you'll have to supply personal data for a 1099.
Money talks and all your bull is irrelevant.
Ed Gin......with a signficant financial statement to back up my
position........
Joao de Souza wrote:
> Jumpen' Jesus on a pogo stick! You're still trying to weasel your way
> out of this one? This is like that scene on Monty Python and The Holy
> Grail where the Black Knight is trying to bravely stand his ground as he
> gets his limbs chopped off one by one.
>
> And it's not a hunt when you walk by a dead monkey on the road then tell
> the others "Hey guys! Check out the dead monkey!"
>
> --
> Joao "none shall pass" de Souza
> http://allgoodnamesrtaken.com/black-knight.rm
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Date: 07 May 2005 09:40:43
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"Ed Gin" <edgin@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:427C83D4.9A6170AB@sbcglobal.net...
> Joao,
>
> Up to your old accusations again huh?
>
> You'll never get it, the "author" of material submitted via the net is
> not limited to the posting computer. All the "witchhunting" efforts on
> your part and BROL members have proven nothing conclusive as to the
> identity of Johnny NoCom.
It doesn't take much to figure out who Johnny NoCom is when he posts
messages such as this
"Johnny NoCom" <"Johnny NoCom"@bentrideronline.com > wrote in message
news:427ACA6E.6E0E8EB5@bentrideronline.com...
> k,
>
> Look here:
>
> http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/newport05.html
>
> Note Neil's 30.3 mph average for the race......"official" enough?
>
> And how often do YOU ride at over 30 mph???????
>
> Ed Gin"
> Matter of fact, I couldn't give a hoot what you guys think.
Apparently you do since you can't resist commenting back
I could be wrong but I suspect part of the problems you seem to have with
everyone else is your method of delivery, had you come into this newsgroup
or BROL and said "Gee I just got in this NoCom and boy is it faster than
anything else I've ridden" instead of what you posted as Johnny you might
not have met with as much resistance. I guess some people have their
quirks...
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Date: 05 May 2005 20:54:09
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"Johnny NoCom" <"Johnny NoCom"@bentrideronline.com > wrote in message
news:427ACA6E.6E0E8EB5@bentrideronline.com...
> k,
>
> Look here:
>
> http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/newport05.html
>
> Note Neil's 30.3 mph average for the race......"official" enough?
>
> And how often do YOU ride at over 30 mph???????
>
> Ed Gin
>
Did it today several times on my daily 50 miler, I don't consider myself
fast either
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Date: 07 May 2005 08:17:52
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
k,
Now just how long did you hold the plus 30 mph speeds? Was it a nice long
descent?
Tailwind assisted? Perhaps drafting a semi? Or do you have a electric
assist of sorts
on the bike?
Ed Gin
k Leuck wrote:
> "Johnny NoCom" <"Johnny NoCom"@bentrideronline.com> wrote in message
> news:427ACA6E.6E0E8EB5@bentrideronline.com...
> > k,
> >
> > Look here:
> >
> > http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/newport05.html
> >
> > Note Neil's 30.3 mph average for the race......"official" enough?
> >
> > And how often do YOU ride at over 30 mph???????
> >
> > Ed Gin
> >
>
> Did it today several times on my daily 50 miler, I don't consider myself
> fast either
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Date: 07 May 2005 09:35:36
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"Ed Gin" <edgin@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:427C8765.E09D1BEF@sbcglobal.net...
> k,
>
> Now just how long did you hold the plus 30 mph speeds? Was it a nice long
> descent?
> Tailwind assisted? Perhaps drafting a semi? Or do you have a electric
> assist of sorts
> on the bike?
>
> Ed Gin
about 2 miles each time, no draft or downhill or electrics and I don't
recall any semi's around, It appears you are decending back into your Johnny
NoCom ego again Ed
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Date: 08 May 2005 03:01:03
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Once again your accusations and assertions are baseless. Johnny NoCom
does have a unique ego but it is certainly not mine.
Ed Gin
k Leuck wrote:
> "Ed Gin" <edgin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:427C8765.E09D1BEF@sbcglobal.net...
> > k,
> >
> > Now just how long did you hold the plus 30 mph speeds? Was it a nice long
> > descent?
> > Tailwind assisted? Perhaps drafting a semi? Or do you have a electric
> > assist of sorts
> > on the bike?
> >
> > Ed Gin
>
> about 2 miles each time, no draft or downhill or electrics and I don't
> recall any semi's around, It appears you are decending back into your Johnny
> NoCom ego again Ed
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Date: 07 May 2005 07:54:52
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
k,
You are so full of it, first you ask for proof the NoCom is fast.
Now that this thread has clearly shown it in 1st place at several events,
and with predictions IT may be the ideal bike for ultimate speed in the
unfaired class, you've avoided the truth.
Admit it, you are wrong on your assertions.
The NoCom is an excellent choice for the riders seeking the quickest
unfaired bike around, certainly faster than that "old school" Baron you
ride.
Ed Gin
k Leuck wrote:
> "Johnny NoCom" <"Johnny NoCom"@bentrideronline.com> wrote in message
> news:427ACA6E.6E0E8EB5@bentrideronline.com...
> > k,
> >
> > Look here:
> >
> > http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/newport05.html
> >
> > Note Neil's 30.3 mph average for the race......"official" enough?
> >
> > And how often do YOU ride at over 30 mph???????
> >
> > Ed Gin
> >
>
> Did it today several times on my daily 50 miler, I don't consider myself
> fast either
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Date: 07 May 2005 09:33:21
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"Ed Gin/Johnny NoCom" <edgin@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:427C8201.DBE4CFB0@sbcglobal.net...
> k,
>
> You are so full of it, first you ask for proof the NoCom is fast.
>
> Now that this thread has clearly shown it in 1st place at several events,
> and with predictions IT may be the ideal bike for ultimate speed in the
> unfaired class, you've avoided the truth.
>
> Admit it, you are wrong on your assertions.
>
> The NoCom is an excellent choice for the riders seeking the quickest
> unfaired bike around, certainly faster than that "old school" Baron you
> ride.
>
> Ed Gin
I never said the NoCom wasn't fast and I'm sure it is an excellent choice
for racing just as a low Baron, Jester or M5 is, I see no reason or proof it
is "the next big thing" compared to those bikes as you have made it out to
be.
And I imagine it IS faster than my Baron since I have a standard Baron not
setup as a race bike and I am not in racing condition
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Date: 08 May 2005 02:58:46
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
You asked for data from designated race venues, it was provided. First place
is the fastest for the day in case you forgot.
No point in educating the ignorant.
Ed Gin
k Leuck wrote:
> "Ed Gin/Johnny NoCom" <edgin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:427C8201.DBE4CFB0@sbcglobal.net...
> > k,
> >
> > You are so full of it, first you ask for proof the NoCom is fast.
> >
> > Now that this thread has clearly shown it in 1st place at several events,
> > and with predictions IT may be the ideal bike for ultimate speed in the
> > unfaired class, you've avoided the truth.
> >
> > Admit it, you are wrong on your assertions.
> >
> > The NoCom is an excellent choice for the riders seeking the quickest
> > unfaired bike around, certainly faster than that "old school" Baron you
> > ride.
> >
> > Ed Gin
>
> I never said the NoCom wasn't fast and I'm sure it is an excellent choice
> for racing just as a low Baron, Jester or M5 is, I see no reason or proof it
> is "the next big thing" compared to those bikes as you have made it out to
> be.
>
> And I imagine it IS faster than my Baron since I have a standard Baron not
> setup as a race bike and I am not in racing condition
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Date: 07 May 2005 15:35:42
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
On Sat, 7 May 2005 09:33:21 -0500, "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net >
wrote in message <F5KdnRLrX6WuTOHfRVn-jg@comcast.com >:
>I never said the NoCom wasn't fast and I'm sure it is an excellent choice
>for racing just as a low Baron, Jester or M5 is, I see no reason or proof it
>is "the next big thing" compared to those bikes as you have made it out to
>be.
No? Not even the fact that Neil Fleming is averaging 2mph faster than
any comparable bike in the BHPC series?
Just because it's Ed Gin posting it doesn't necessarily make it wrong.
Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
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Date: 09 May 2005 10:32:32
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> No? Not even the fact that Neil Fleming is averaging 2mph faster than
> any comparable bike in the BHPC series?
Just to go and spanner everything, however, Neil had what is often referred
to as a Bad Day at Eastway on Saturday. 20.9 mph average for ~45 minutes.
It didn't help that Young Master Robert decided to bring the Hachi out to
play and, in the absence of the Davies streamliners, won outright at ~25
mph. Eastway is Not Flat and the wind was distinctly evil - it alsmot had
me into the scenery on more than one occasion.
I'd not be at all averse to owning something shaped like a NoCom, but:
o when I sat on Neil's in Newport, it seemed not to agree with the shape of
my back at all, and
o I should like a tail fairing too, please
--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ >
My only hope in life is to die before I get my comeuppence.
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Date: 06 May 2005 03:15:40
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:V8WdnWQB9p1VUOffRVn-pQ@comcast.com...
>
> "Johnny NoCom" <"Johnny NoCom"@bentrideronline.com> wrote in message
> news:427ACA6E.6E0E8EB5@bentrideronline.com...
>> k,
>>
>> Look here:
>>
>> http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/newport05.html
>>
>> Note Neil's 30.3 mph average for the race......"official" enough?
>>
>> And how often do YOU ride at over 30 mph???????
>>
>> Ed Gin
>>
>
> Did it today several times on my daily 50 miler, I don't consider myself
> fast either
You ride 50 miles everyday? Surely you meant 20 miles.
30 mph is fast if you can keep it there for more than a few minutes. But I
always enjoy hearing how fast some guys are going downhill. I usually meet
them at the bottom later when an ambulance and the police are on the scene
trying to reconstruct what happened. It is always the same - going too fast
for conditions. The only scenario that really interests me is how fast you
can be going uphill on a recumbent.
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
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Date: 06 May 2005 04:36:25
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
news:5f-dnSmI1qYiuubfRVn-rQ@prairiewave.com...
>
> > Did it today several times on my daily 50 miler, I don't consider myself
> > fast either
>
> You ride 50 miles everyday? Surely you meant 20 miles.
My current daily route is 52 miles
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Date: 06 May 2005 05:03:12
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:YdSdnXmN0fqDp-bfRVn-rg@comcast.com...
>
> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:5f-dnSmI1qYiuubfRVn-rQ@prairiewave.com...
>>
>> > Did it today several times on my daily 50 miler, I don't consider
>> > myself
>> > fast either
>>
>> You ride 50 miles everyday? Surely you meant 20 miles.
>
> My current daily route is 52 miles
My God! That is amazing! That must be some kind of record. You make me feel
like a piker as I only do 20 miles a day. But then I am slower than you are
and it would take me damn near all day to ride 50 miles.
Ed Dolan the Not So Great - Minnesota
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Date: 05 May 2005 09:18:10
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
k Leuck wrote:
> That's someone's posting, I'd rather see a few results from official
> websites
Though Dave Larrington /is/ the editor of the BHPC newsletter, so I
imagine it will progress to "official" soon.
In the meantime it would be nice if some folk realised we're not all
interested in going fast to the exclusion of anything else. I ride a
Streetmachine for comfort and luggage carrying reasons, I don't /care/
that it isn't very fast!
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 07 May 2005 08:14:23
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Peter,
In the racing arena, speed is the priority. The Streetmachine, by the
way is a very competent bike especially for the reasons you stated.
Ed Gin
Peter Clinch wrote:
> k Leuck wrote:
>
> > That's someone's posting, I'd rather see a few results from official
> > websites
>
> Though Dave Larrington /is/ the editor of the BHPC newsletter, so I
> imagine it will progress to "official" soon.
>
> In the meantime it would be nice if some folk realised we're not all
> interested in going fast to the exclusion of anything else. I ride a
> Streetmachine for comfort and luggage carrying reasons, I don't /care/
> that it isn't very fast!
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 09 May 2005 09:01:28
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Ed Gin wrote:
> In the racing arena, speed is the priority. The Streetmachine, by the
> way is a very competent bike especially for the reasons you stated.
Acknowledged, but my point was that it would be nice if so many of your
posts didn't appear to be based on the assumption that this group is
called alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.racing.unfaired
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 09 May 2005 14:56:50
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Peter, Peter,
Did you not note the opening post regarding "speed?"
Perhaps you shouldn't have read it?
Your assumptions are baseless.
Ed Gin
Peter Clinch wrote:
> Ed Gin wrote:
>
> > In the racing arena, speed is the priority. The Streetmachine, by the
> > way is a very competent bike especially for the reasons you stated.
>
> Acknowledged, but my point was that it would be nice if so many of your
> posts didn't appear to be based on the assumption that this group is
> called alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent.racing.unfaired
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
> net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 09 May 2005 16:23:20
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Ed Gin wrote:
> Peter, Peter,
>
> Did you not note the opening post regarding "speed?"
Ed, Ed, did you not consider my post is a response to your fundamental
lack of social graces in more than a single post, or even a single thread?
> Your assumptions are baseless.
And what assumptions might they be?
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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Date: 05 May 2005 11:14:41
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Peter Clinch wrote:
> k Leuck wrote:
>
>> That's someone's posting, I'd rather see a few results from official
>> websites
>
> Though Dave Larrington /is/ the editor of the BHPC newsletter, so I
> imagine it will progress to "official" soon.
s/is/was/ However, I /am/ also the BHPC's Keeper ov thee Records, and race
results may be seen at or near here:
URL:http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/events05.html
17 km at 48.7 km/h on the indoor velodrome in Newport
86 km at 40.6 km/h on the Castle Combe motor racing circuit (on a /very/
windy day)
--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ >
Although the hippopotamus hath no sting in its tail, the wise man would
rather be seated upon the back of a bee.
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Date: 05 May 2005 20:53:12
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"Dave Larrington" <smert.spamionam@privacy.net > wrote in message
news:3ducr0F7pelU1@individual.net...
> Peter Clinch wrote:
> > k Leuck wrote:
> >
> >> That's someone's posting, I'd rather see a few results from official
> >> websites
> >
> > Though Dave Larrington /is/ the editor of the BHPC newsletter, so I
> > imagine it will progress to "official" soon.
>
> s/is/was/ However, I /am/ also the BHPC's Keeper ov thee Records, and
race
> results may be seen at or near here:
>
> URL:http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/events05.html
>
> 17 km at 48.7 km/h on the indoor velodrome in Newport
>
> 86 km at 40.6 km/h on the Castle Combe motor racing circuit (on a /very/
> windy day)
If one looks at this page
http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/newport05.html
The fabled Nocomm hasn't won anything, I don't debate the fact that it's
fast but it appears it isn't the fastest
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Date: 07 May 2005 08:09:18
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
k obviously doesn't read too well. Clearly Neil won the stock races at
the referred link riding a NoCom.
Or perhaps he[w "mentally challenged" understanding class designations?
Ed Gin
k Leuck wrote:
> "Dave Larrington" <smert.spamionam@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:3ducr0F7pelU1@individual.net...
> > Peter Clinch wrote:
> > > k Leuck wrote:
> > >
> > >> That's someone's posting, I'd rather see a few results from official
> > >> websites
> > >
> > > Though Dave Larrington /is/ the editor of the BHPC newsletter, so I
> > > imagine it will progress to "official" soon.
> >
> > s/is/was/ However, I /am/ also the BHPC's Keeper ov thee Records, and
> race
> > results may be seen at or near here:
> >
> > URL:http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/events05.html
> >
> > 17 km at 48.7 km/h on the indoor velodrome in Newport
> >
> > 86 km at 40.6 km/h on the Castle Combe motor racing circuit (on a /very/
> > windy day)
>
> If one looks at this page
>
> http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/newport05.html
>
> The fabled Nocomm hasn't won anything, I don't debate the fact that it's
> fast but it appears it isn't the fastest
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Date: 06 May 2005 08:34:46
From: Just zis Guy, you know?
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
On Thu, 5 May 2005 20:53:12 -0500, "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net >
wrote:
>If one looks at this page
>http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/newport05.html
>The fabled Nocomm hasn't won anything,
Not so. It is fastest in the Unfaired class, and leading that class
in the standings, and not actually far behind gNick's faired "wooden
fish".
God help them if Sacha ever gets his hands on one!
Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
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Date: 07 May 2005 08:12:29
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Shhhhhh,
Let's just leave k in the dark. He's happy on the "old school"
Baron. NoCom's are for cutting edge enthusiasts with the motor to power
the fastest stock bike in existence.
Ed Gin
"Just zis Guy, you know?" wrote:
> On Thu, 5 May 2005 20:53:12 -0500, "k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> >If one looks at this page
> >http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/newport05.html
> >The fabled Nocomm hasn't won anything,
>
> Not so. It is fastest in the Unfaired class, and leading that class
> in the standings, and not actually far behind gNick's faired "wooden
> fish".
>
> God help them if Sacha ever gets his hands on one!
>
> Guy
> --
> May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
> http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk
>
> 88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound
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Date: 07 May 2005 09:25:32
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"Ed Gin" <edgin@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:427C8623.D7E549CB@sbcglobal.net...
> Shhhhhh,
>
> Let's just leave k in the dark. He's happy on the "old school"
> Baron. NoCom's are for cutting edge enthusiasts with the motor to power
> the fastest stock bike in existence.
>
> Ed Gin
Trouble is you just can't prove it yet
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Date: 08 May 2005 02:53:49
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Trouble is k, burying your head in the sand won't vaporize
known facts about the NoCom, fastest stock bike in the universe.
Ed Gin
k Leuck wrote:
> "Ed Gin" <edgin@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:427C8623.D7E549CB@sbcglobal.net...
> > Shhhhhh,
> >
> > Let's just leave k in the dark. He's happy on the "old school"
> > Baron. NoCom's are for cutting edge enthusiasts with the motor to power
> > the fastest stock bike in existence.
> >
> > Ed Gin
>
> Trouble is you just can't prove it yet
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Date: 07 May 2005 22:05:38
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"Ed Gin" <edgin@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:427D8CF3.FC3F8149@sbcglobal.net...
> Trouble is k, burying your head in the sand won't vaporize
> known facts about the NoCom, fastest stock bike in the universe.
>
> Ed Gin
Too bad you just can't prove it
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Date: 06 May 2005 07:28:23
From: LSMike
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"k Leuck" <m..leuck@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:y96dnUHw-vwKUOffRVn-oA@comcast.com...
>
> If one looks at this page
>
> http://www.bhpc.org.uk/events05/newport05.html
>
> The fabled Nocomm hasn't won anything, I don't debate the fact that it's
> fast but it appears it isn't the fastest
I suspect that the classes column is of importance.
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Date: 03 May 2005 15:46:05
From: NoComRulez
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
Now THAT's an example of crap that makes no difference. Sean Costin can
sprint faster than that on an upright. Doesn't have anything to do with
the discussion here, which is the major speed difference with a same
rider at the same effort on the same course...
On a related note, I've been riding the highwheeler the past few days,
and it is indeed at least 5 mph slower. I guess my breakfast must be
wrong, eh Freewheeler? Of course, I eat the same thing every day...
Must be the moon phase then? Tides? Couldn't be the bike, not with all
these geniuses who've never ridden either platform chiming in with
their educated conclusions...
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Date: 03 May 2005 18:58:28
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
"NoComRulez" <NoComRulez@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1115160365.284967.203780@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> Now THAT's an example of crap that makes no difference. Sean Costin can
> sprint faster than that on an upright. Doesn't have anything to do with
> the discussion here, which is the major speed difference with a same
> rider at the same effort on the same course...
True but you are making a big deal about the bike doing sprints at 34 mph, I
have no doubt the NoCom is much faster than an upright but other bikes can
do the same thing
> On a related note, I've been riding the highwheeler the past few days,
> and it is indeed at least 5 mph slower. I guess my breakfast must be
> wrong, eh Freewheeler? Of course, I eat the same thing every day...
> Must be the moon phase then? Tides? Couldn't be the bike, not with all
> these geniuses who've never ridden either platform chiming in with
> their educated conclusions...
To be honest we've yet to see any "geniuses" chiming anything in about that
bike, or documented race results etc..
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Date: 04 May 2005 10:34:24
From: Dave Larrington
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
|
k Leuck wrote:
> To be honest we've yet to see any "geniuses" chiming anything in
> about that bike, or documented race results etc..
We have already seen that Wretch Fleming is considerably faster on his NoCom
than on his RatRacer, most notably last time out at Castle Combe. In 2004 I
would have beaten him fairly comfortably had I not contrived to crash out of
the unfaired lead on the last corner of the last lap; this year he lapped
me. Twice.
--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/ >
Funsize s bars? What could possibly be MORE fun about eating LESS
chocolate?
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Date: 30 Apr 2005 21:40:18
From: Slugger
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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whats the rush?
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Date: 28 Apr 2005 20:07:44
From: kfkfkg
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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Oh my god, it's back!
Please go back to whatever rock you were under for the last month or
so. This group was just starting to come back to life...
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Date: 28 Apr 2005 23:25:42
From: Racer
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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my airlite trike could kick your nocoms ass
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Date: 30 Apr 2005 08:45:28
From: Big Red
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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I hope you live near Chicago, so we can see you race at Northbrook this
summer trying to fulfill your challenge.
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> my airlite trike could kick your nocoms ass
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Date: 07 May 2005 08:07:01
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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Big Red,
Trikes are not competive vs. two wheeled lowracers, plain and simple. You'll not see
the airlite trike at Northbrook winning any lap races in the stock class.
Ed Gin
Big Red wrote:
> I hope you live near Chicago, so we can see you race at Northbrook this
> summer trying to fulfill your challenge.
> "Racer" <fastrider@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > my airlite trike could kick your nocoms ass
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Date: 09 May 2005 08:57:54
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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Ed Gin wrote:
> Trikes are not competive vs. two wheeled lowracers, plain and simple. You'll not see
> the airlite trike at Northbrook winning any lap races in the stock class.
Depends on the race. The 800+ mile End To End record in the UK is set
by a Windcheetah (41 hrs 4 minutes).
Pete.
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Date: 09 May 2005 15:02:05
From: Ed Gin
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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Now Peter,
That is a stupid post. You're comparing a FULLY HARDSHELLED FAIRED hpv to a STOCK CLASS
one?
With your credentials, one might have thought you KNEW something?
Ed Gin
Peter Clinch wrote:
> Ed Gin wrote:
>
> > Trikes are not competive vs. two wheeled lowracers, plain and simple. You'll not see
> > the airlite trike at Northbrook winning any lap races in the stock class.
>
> Depends on the race. The 800+ mile End To End record in the UK is set
> by a Windcheetah (41 hrs 4 minutes).
>
> Pete.
> --
> Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
> Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
> Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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Date: 09 May 2005 16:27:50
From: Peter Clinch
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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Ed Gin wrote:
> Now Peter,
>
> That is a stupid post. You're comparing a FULLY HARDSHELLED FAIRED hpv to a STOCK CLASS
> one?
Now Ed, you posted, with no context whatsoever, that "Trikes are not
competive vs. two wheeled lowracers", and my post was to demonstrate
that you require context if you want anyone to pay attention to what is
otherwise a sweeping generalisation.
> With your credentials, one might have thought you KNEW something?
And what credentials might those be, and how have you demonstarted that
I don't know anything? Like I said, it "depends on the race". And so
it does. There are some races where a NoCom is very probably the best
you could have, and there are others where it isn't.
Pete.
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Date: 07 May 2005 20:20:36
From: Big Red
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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That depends on how many Youngs Double Chocolate Stouts you hydrate with
during the lunch break.
"Ed Gin" <edgin@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
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> Big Red,
>
> Trikes are not competive vs. two wheeled lowracers, plain and simple.
> You'll not see
> the airlite trike at Northbrook winning any lap races in the stock class.
>
> Ed Gin
>
> Big Red wrote:
>
>> I hope you live near Chicago, so we can see you race at Northbrook this
>> summer trying to fulfill your challenge.
>> "Racer" <fastrider@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > my airlite trike could kick your nocoms ass
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Date: 28 Apr 2005 16:02:58
From: NoComRulez
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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Freewheeling, I ride this route every day at the same times of day and
I have hundreds and hundres of miles on it, on both bikes, so the
differences are easy for me to quantify. I also know exactly what kind
of speed performance I get for a given heart rate and a given bike --
or, for that matter, a pair of running shoes. I am not some old BROL
FOG with his first pair of wheels. I've been doing the endurance sport
thing for well over 20 years, and I know my body well. I can tell you
with pretty good accuracy how fast I'm running (or riding) without a
watch or computer most of the time.
The facts are these, the nocom is consistently 5-6 mph faster at
cruising speeds, and it climbs better to boot. (No surprise, it's got a
stiffer frame and less mush in the seating arrangement.) Corroberating
evidence: On decent downhills near my house, where the Volae coasts in
the 27 mph range, the nocom is going so fast I need to brake or I run
into cars (that's 33-35 mph).
On the Nocom, though I am currently out of shape, I can sprint on flats
up to 34 mph. I NEVER achieved a flat sprint more than 31-2 mph on the
Volae even on smooth roads and with tailwinds, when I was in much
better shape. And my wife has never sprinted at 32 mph in her life. She
hits that easily on her nocom -- and she's got under 200 miles on this
season.
Must be the granola she's eating for breakfast this year, though, eh
Freehwheeler? Couldn't be the bike... Puhleeze. Spare us your pseudo
scientific second-guessing. I can reject the null hypothesis with great
certainty, as can anyone who looks at the bike are removes their ego
from their overprice Aero purchase for a few minutes. But I suppose
unless we get this thing into a wind tunnel and onto the test bench to
measure the stiffness, the real intellects like you will never buy
it...
I'm just reporting the facts, as I seem to be the only one around who
rides both platforms and isn't on anyone's payroll. I can't post it at
BROL, because Bryan der Bent Fuhrer banned me for saying "Jehova." I
figured that there were people out there -- other than the Freewheelers
and the Linseed Jimmys -- who might be interested. So here it is, for
the record.
I'm not going to argue about it with any of you pinheads who've got it
in for Ed, lowracers, or whatever else is stuck up your butts sideways.
These are the facts. End of story. Any highwheeler pilots want to
debate the point, stop by next time you're in the DC area, bring a
couple hundred bucks, and I'll show you the difference.
By the way, budding Einsteins. This isn't Ed. Ed doesn't own a
highwheeler.
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Date: 29 Apr 2005 03:06:01
From: Freewheeling
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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"NoComRulez" <NoComRulez@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> Freewheeling, I ride this route every day at the same times of day and
> I have hundreds and hundres of miles on it, on both bikes, so the
> differences are easy for me to quantify. I also know exactly what kind
> of speed performance I get for a given heart rate and a given bike --
> or, for that matter, a pair of running shoes. I am not some old BROL
> FOG with his first pair of wheels. I've been doing the endurance sport
> thing for well over 20 years, and I know my body well. I can tell you
> with pretty good accuracy how fast I'm running (or riding) without a
> watch or computer most of the time.
Your level of "experience" has nothing to do with the empirical reliability
of your metrics, and by definition heart rate isn't power or energy, so its
validity as a measure of power or energy is compromised, at best. Moreover,
your consistent "advocacy" of this particular bike suggests, well... bias.
Just report, let people take it for what it's worth, and move on to another
topic.
>
> The facts are these, the nocom is consistently 5-6 mph faster at
> cruising speeds, and it climbs better to boot. (No surprise, it's got a
> stiffer frame and less mush in the seating arrangement.) Corroberating
> evidence: On decent downhills near my house, where the Volae coasts in
> the 27 mph range, the nocom is going so fast I need to brake or I run
> into cars (that's 33-35 mph).
>
> On the Nocom, though I am currently out of shape, I can sprint on flats
> up to 34 mph. I NEVER achieved a flat sprint more than 31-2 mph on the
> Volae even on smooth roads and with tailwinds, when I was in much
> better shape. And my wife has never sprinted at 32 mph in her life. She
> hits that easily on her nocom -- and she's got under 200 miles on this
> season.
>
> Must be the granola she's eating for breakfast this year, though, eh
> Freehwheeler? Couldn't be the bike... Puhleeze. Spare us your pseudo
> scientific second-guessing. I can reject the null hypothesis with great
> certainty, as can anyone who looks at the bike are removes their ego
> from their overprice Aero purchase for a few minutes. But I suppose
> unless we get this thing into a wind tunnel and onto the test bench to
> measure the stiffness, the real intellects like you will never buy
> it...
>
> I'm just reporting the facts, as I seem to be the only one around who
> rides both platforms and isn't on anyone's payroll. I can't post it at
> BROL, because Bryan der Bent Fuhrer banned me for saying "Jehova." I
> figured that there were people out there -- other than the Freewheelers
> and the Linseed Jimmys -- who might be interested. So here it is, for
> the record.
>
> I'm not going to argue about it with any of you pinheads who've got it
> in for Ed, lowracers, or whatever else is stuck up your butts sideways.
> These are the facts. End of story. Any highwheeler pilots want to
> debate the point, stop by next time you're in the DC area, bring a
> couple hundred bucks, and I'll show you the difference.
>
> By the way, budding Einsteins. This isn't Ed. Ed doesn't own a
> highwheeler.
>
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Date: 28 Apr 2005 21:19:21
From: Mark Leuck
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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"NoComRulez" <NoComRulez@gmail.com > wrote in message
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>
> On the Nocom, though I am currently out of shape, I can sprint on flats
> up to 34 mph. I NEVER achieved a flat sprint more than 31-2 mph on the
> Volae even on smooth roads and with tailwinds, when I was in much
> better shape. And my wife has never sprinted at 32 mph in her life. She
> hits that easily on her nocom -- and she's got under 200 miles on this
> season.
Big whoop, I can sprint at 34 mph on my Baron
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Date: 28 Apr 2005 18:49:47
From: Freewheeling
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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Using heart rate as an analog for power output just won't work. It's too
variable, dependent on what you eat, general and specific health, how much
seep you've had, hydration, etc. I found that at the same gear, cadence and
speed (on rollers) over the same time period my average heart rate varies by
as much as 15%, so it's only a very crude analog for power. If the
performance differences you've observed are within that 15% window then they
aren't differences statistically speaking, especially if you've only run one
data point. You can't, in other words, reject the null hypothesis that the
bikes are equally "good" in terms of speed efficiency, etc. You'd probably
need something that directly measures power output for that, and also
standardize as many of the other variables as you can (wind, temperature,
etc.).
"NoComRulez" <NoComRulez@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> Now verified by onf of the few owners of both platforms who's a) got
> hundreds of miles on each and b) is not on someone's payroll.
>
> The course: standard bike trail commute, 17.5 miles, slight downhill
> in, uphill and headwind back.
>
> The platforms: Volae team, stock. NoCom with Renn disc and standard
> spoked front wheel, FSA triple crank up front.
>
> The data: Standard heart rate at cruising speed 160-175. At this
> constant HR, speed on Volae Team on way in, 21-25 mph. Speeds on NoCom
> 27-32mph.
>
> Bottom line: The team now gets used when I need to haul in clothes and
> groceries, when I want to relax and smell the flowers, or when I expect
> rain. Fine, fast-ish bike, but not even in the same league as the NoCom
> when it comes to speed.
>
> NoCom is also a better climber, as it is stiffer than any of the
> single-tube stick bikes out there.
>
> My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't
> understand why this is even up for discussion."
>
> Let's just say I've never seen her go 34mph on a flat on any
> highwheeler...
>
> In short, don't believe the BS. There's no comparison. Anyone who tells
> you a highwheeler is even close, speedwise, is flat out lying. Buy a
> highwheeler because you like the comfort. Or you like the speed
> compared to the rest of the FOG trash out there. Or you don't want to
> spend any time building it up a carbon-fiber sled or tweaking it to
> perfection. But don't buy it if you want the fastest stick around.
>
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Date: 28 Apr 2005 09:09:36
From:
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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Ed,
Don't you ever tire of beating that tattered old drum? I know. You
can't do it on BROL anymore. What a pity. You're keep running out of
places to peddle your crap simply because you repeatedly exceed their
tolerance threshold and get censored or banned and deservedly so. Gee,
I wonder who the common denominator is in all this? Forget it. That
was a rhetorical question and the answer is obvious. Don't let the
door hit you in the ass on the way out and take your drum with you.
Jim
Ed-Al Luminium-Gin wrote:'
> >
> > My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't
> > understand why this is even up for discussion."
> >
> A wise woman. Listen to her. Understand her. Go to some Euro races
and get
> your ass kicked by people who really go fast. Learn some humility,
and then
> realize that nocom feaux racer arrogance doesn't mean shit to just
about
> everyone here, despite the inherent sculptural beauty of the bike.
>
>
>
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Date: 28 Apr 2005 09:07:40
From: Al Luminium
Subject: Re: NoCom = 6 mph faster than Highwheeler
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>
> My wife (also an owner of one of each) puts it this way, "I don't
> understand why this is even up for discussion."
>
A wise woman. Listen to her. Understand her. Go to some Euro races and get
your ass kicked by people who really go fast. Learn some humility, and then
realize that nocom feaux racer arrogance doesn't mean shit to just about
everyone here, despite the inherent sculptural beauty of the bike.
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