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Main Date: 04 Jan 2007 18:53:28 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste To Ed, For a long time I have taken the position that you should be welcomed to this group. Actually my position has been that everyone should be welcome. I don't really think that has changed. However, It is difficult to imagine that you can not see that group has become what you have made of it. You have taken pride in being the "All Time Poster" in terms of number of messages. I think that means that you have left a pretty big stamp on the group. jwold, Ed Gin, or whatever his (or her) name is, is a reaction to what you have created. Without Ed Dolan there would be no jwold postings. While the idea of "Fight Fire With Fire" is a well know cliche, when you actually do it, you end up with a bigger fire. If it is fire you want then it is fire you've got. But don't pretend that you have nothing to do with it. If the group happens to be composed of mostly liberals then that is what the group is made up of. It really isn't your place to decide what points of view are welcome and what points of view are not. What this group has become is what you, the all time, number one poster, has made it. I am certain that you will respond to this post as you respond to just about everything. For the record, I have no intention of carrying on a dialog with you about the point's I've raised in this posting. It is a pointless exercise as is this message itself I suppose. This means that I will not respond to anything that you answer and I don't think I'll start another thread since I don't have anything else to add. As I always have (and always will), I wish you well. Jeff   Date: 16 Jan 2007 09:37:45 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168873498.664673.194900@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > [...] > > >> > I will reissue that challenge ... Ed Dolan, please be so kind as to > >> > provide a reference to where I made such an admission or offer a > >> > retraction. In the event that you Ed is unable or unwilling to do so > >> > (read offers an excuse for not doing so or does not respond to the > >> > challenge), I will consider having made my point even if Ed is > >> > unwilling to admit to wrongdoing and does not offer a retraction. > > > > Like I said, In the event that Ed Dolan Ed is unable or unwilling to > > cite a reference where I stated that I had no concern for the group > > (read offers an excuse for not doing so or does not respond to the > > challenge), I would consider having made my point even if Ed is > > unwilling to admit to wrongdoing and does not offer a retraction. > > Dolan did not take up the challenge, did not cite a reference and > > characteristically did not admit to wrongdoing or offer a retraction. > > WHY??? Because is is unable to do so. Ed Donlan LIED and he got > > caught up in his lie and is just not man enough to own up. He never > > is. I rest my case. This matter is now no closed and no longer open > > for discussion. > > Let us say I went back and found the phrase where you tell us that you are > not concerned with the group. What would be the upshot of it? We know in > advance that you would put a spin on it so that it would not say what it in > fact you did say. But I have got a far better idea. Since you like to look > up things, you go back and find it yourself. Then bring it to the group so > we can all have another look at it and then we shall see who said what. > > I will not look up shit from previous posts because it is always for > nothing. Everyone on this group is a weasel and knows how to slither out of > anything. So much for facts, or logic - or anything else for that matter. I said this matter is no longer open to discussion, but feel that Dolan has brought up an issue that requires to be addressed. I contend that I wrote nothing that indicated that I had a lack of concern for the group ... that for which I was accused. Consequently I cannot FIND that which isn't to be found. Besides, in making an accusation, the burden of proof rests not with the accused, but with the accuser and that would be Ed Dolan. In the absence of evidence the accused is exonerated. Ed Dolan has produced no evidence, so I consider myself exonerated. In answer to Ed's question ... What would be the upshot of it? The upshot would be that Dolan will not be able to locate a reference to cite or he will locate an obscure phrase taken out of context for which with a great deal of distortion will misconstrue its intent. What will not occur is admission of wrongdoing and the issue of a retraction. Despite his claims to the contrary, Dolan is never wrong (read never admits to being wrong). It is his own best interest to pursue this no further and that is why to use his words, he ... will not look up shit from previous posts. To paraphrase the man, he is a weasel who is slithering out of this one, but has not done so very gracefully. Caught with his pants down, he has been seen slinking off in embarrassment for having blundered. > [...] > > >> This newsgroup is not about facts. It never was and it never will be. But > >> in > >> any event, there is no one here who even knows how to argue about facts, > >> let > >> alone opinions. Certainly not you > >> [...] > > > > More errant opinions stated as facts, the worst bring Ed's opinion that > > this newsgroup is only about opinions (mainly his). This newsgroup has > > elements of both ,,, fact and opinion and should not be restricted to > > or dominated by Dolan's opinions. > > > > Opinions are subject to debate. Facts are not. Could this be the > > reason why Dolan hates facts? Undoubtedly. A fact is information > > about circumstances that are known to exist or events that are known to > > have occurred. As such, facts are not subject to debate and that's a > > fact ... not an opinion. Dolan continues to misconstrue the none to > > subtle distinction between what constitutes a fact and what constitutes > > an opinion. Ed's own words betray the obvious, that he never has and > > never will know the difference. > > Well, let us see ... Both the Israelis and the Palestinians think they are > in possession of the relevant facts as to who should occupy the area that > Israel now occupies. And they both can make good logical arguments as to who > is right and who is wrong. Any and all outsiders are totally befuddled. Even > former President Carter can't think straight on the issue anymore (if he > ever could). This is a particularly poor example because the complexity of the dynamics and circumstances are such that the facts are obscured. > I maintain that facts can be argued about endlessly depending on the > perspective. The same goes for logic which has never been a reliable guide > to good thinking. Scientific facts are somewhat different, but not totally. > To be in awe of so-called facts ks you as an ignoramus. And I maintain that what Dolan maintains is erroneous. A fact is information about circumstances that are known to exist or events that are known to have occurred. As such, facts are not subject to debate and that's a fact ... not an opinion. FACT: Ed Dolan does not know what a fact is. His repeated insistence that a fact is arguable is definitive proof of this. Dolan continues to misconstrue the none to subtle distinction between what constitutes a fact and what constitutes an opinion. Dolan never has nor will he ever know the distinction between the two. > Also, everyone on this group should get acquainted with the concept of > sophistry since everyone here reeks of it as do most folks everywhere. I'll make this easy for the readers. ARBR reeks of sophistry because ARBR reeks of DOLAN. Sophistry refers to the "art" of deliberate invalid argumentation employing ingenuity in reasoning with the intent to deceive by appeal to the listener on grounds other than the strict logical cogency of the statements being made. A sophist would have you believe that the actual logical validity of an argument is irrelevant (if not non-existent) because only the ruling audience (think ARBR readership) ultimately determines whether a conclusion is considered "true" or "false" not. This should all sound very familiar since what Dolan is accusing ARBR members of is a virtual self-portrait. How many time have I taken him to task over these very issues? I find it most amusing that Dolan complains about fact and logic and then denounces sophistry which is a distortion of fact and logic. I've siad it before. The man is a walking, talking contradiction. The conundrum continues. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 17 Jan 2007 05:57:16 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168969065.418426.29390@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> Let us say I went back and found the phrase where you tell us that you >> are >> not concerned with the group. What would be the upshot of it? We know in >> advance that you would put a spin on it so that it would not say what it >> in >> fact you did say. But I have got a far better idea. Since you like to >> look >> up things, you go back and find it yourself. Then bring it to the group >> so >> we can all have another look at it and then we shall see who said what. >> >> I will not look up shit from previous posts because it is always for >> nothing. Everyone on this group is a weasel and knows how to slither out >> of >> anything. So much for facts, or logic - or anything else for that >> matter. > > I said this matter is no longer open to discussion, but feel that Dolan > has brought up an issue that requires to be addressed. I contend that > I wrote nothing that indicated that I had a lack of concern for the > group ... that for which I was accused. Consequently I cannot FIND > that which isn't to be found. Besides, in making an accusation, the > burden of proof rests not with the accused, but with the accuser and > that would be Ed Dolan. In the absence of evidence the accused is > exonerated. Ed Dolan has produced no evidence, so I consider myself > exonerated. In other words Jim is not going to go back on the thread and look up anything either. And why should he? He knows full well what he said and so do I. But the really important question is - who gives a damn? No one does - that's who! > In answer to Ed's question ... What would be the upshot of it? The > upshot would be that Dolan will not be able to locate a reference to > cite or he will locate an obscure phrase taken out of context for which > with a great deal of distortion will misconstrue its intent. What will > not occur is admission of wrongdoing and the issue of a retraction. > Despite his claims to the contrary, Dolan is never wrong (read never > admits to being wrong). It is his own best interest to pursue this no > further and that is why to use his words, he ... will not look up shit > from previous posts. To paraphrase the man, he is a weasel who is > slithering out of this one, but has not done so very gracefully. > Caught with his pants down, he has been seen slinking off in > embarrassment for having blundered. Jim is the looker-upper, not I. My Greatness will not permit ME to do trivial tasks. That is for my inferiors to do. [...] >> Well, let us see ... Both the Israelis and the Palestinians think they >> are >> in possession of the relevant facts as to who should occupy the area that >> Israel now occupies. And they both can make good logical arguments as to >> who >> is right and who is wrong. Any and all outsiders are totally befuddled. >> Even >> former President Carter can't think straight on the issue anymore (if he >> ever could). > > This is a particularly poor example because the complexity of the > dynamics and circumstances are such that the facts are obscured. Alas, complexities inhere in all things. Nothing is ever simple - except certain minds that go on and on about the importance of facts and logic. >> I maintain that facts can be argued about endlessly depending on the >> perspective. The same goes for logic which has never been a reliable >> guide >> to good thinking. Scientific facts are somewhat different, but not >> totally. >> To be in awe of so-called facts ks you as an ignoramus. > > And I maintain that what Dolan maintains is erroneous. A fact is > information about circumstances that are known to exist or events that > are known to have occurred. As such, facts are not subject to debate > and that's a fact ... not an opinion. FACT: Ed Dolan does not know what > a fact is. His repeated insistence that a fact is arguable is > definitive proof of this. Dolan continues to misconstrue the none to > subtle distinction between what constitutes a fact and what constitutes > an opinion. Dolan never has nor will he ever know the distinction > between the two. You need to get yourself involved in the complexities of the Israeli-Palestinian issue. There you will discover that no one can agree on even the simplest of facts. Hells Bells, Tom Sherman thought that what the Palestinian suicide bombers were doing was no different than what the Israeli Defense Forces were doing - and Tom Sherman prided himself on his grasp of facts and logical thinking. After all, he was a civil engineer and had taken lots of science courses in college. >> Also, everyone on this group should get acquainted with the concept of >> sophistry since everyone here reeks of it as do most folks everywhere. > > I'll make this easy for the readers. ARBR reeks of sophistry because > ARBR reeks of DOLAN. Sophistry refers to the "art" of deliberate > invalid argumentation employing ingenuity in reasoning with the intent > to deceive by appeal to the listener on grounds other than the strict > logical cogency of the statements being made. A sophist would have you > believe that the actual logical validity of an argument is irrelevant > (if not non-existent) because only the ruling audience (think ARBR > readership) ultimately determines whether a conclusion is considered > "true" or "false" not. This should all sound very familiar since what > Dolan is accusing ARBR members of is a virtual self-portrait. How many > time have I taken him to task over these very issues? I find it most > amusing that Dolan complains about fact and logic and then denounces > sophistry which is a distortion of fact and logic. I've siad it > before. The man is a walking, talking contradiction. The conundrum > continues. Jim is FINALLY beginning to pick up on my humor. I am almost proud of him. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 15 Jan 2007 07:04:58 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > <jimmymc_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168822981.318863.196260@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1168676303.593071.221920@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > >> > > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:1168638650.263132.73120@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > >> >> > > >> >> > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> >> [...] > >> >> >> You have no regard for the group. You never have and you never > >> >> >> will, > >> >> >> but > >> >> >> you > >> >> >> should not crow about it. You treat the group like they are just > >> >> >> email > >> >> >> fodder for you, not a newsgroup with its own interests apart from > >> >> >> yours. > >> >> >> It > >> >> >> all goes to your lack of group awareness. It is a personal failing > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> be > >> >> >> so > >> >> >> constituted, not something to be proud of. > >> >> >> [...] > >> >> > > >> >> > I hope that everyone in need of a real good laugh reads your lecture > >> >> > about group awareness. This has to be one of you classic posts of > >> >> > all > >> >> > time. The erroneous assumption is that you of all people have group > >> >> > awareness??? Now, that's got to be the best joke I've heard in a > >> >> > long > >> >> > time. Google please archive this post as on off sight contingency > >> >> > backup storage. This is just too precious to ever lose. > >> >> > >> >> The only time you ever show up on the group is to air your personal > >> >> grievances with a one-on-one. > >> > > >> > In a private email, Ed challenged me to do just that and having > >> > accepted his challenge he now has regrets and whines about my > >> > acceptance ... how very interesting. > >> > >> Nope! Email is one thing and Usenet is something else all together. If > >> you > >> do not have concern for the group, then get the hell out of here! > > > > I know the difference and I will reiterate since the concept escaped > > Ed's poor powers of perception the first time around ... Ed challenged > > me to take him on in here at ARBR and now has regrets and is crying > > about it. As concerns concern for the group, the man has never had > > concern for or consideration for the group and is therefore in no > > position to lecture anyone else in this particular regard. > > Jim proves with his every post what a trivial mind and petty personality he > has. He ought to be ashamed of himself if he had any personal pride. > > "In any event, your stalking shows that you > do not ever consider the welfare of the group." - Ed Dolan Same old same old ... here we go loop-d-loop. Nothin' new here. > >> >> And you admit to having no concern about the > >> >> group, > >> > > >> > I did not. Please be so kind as to provide a reference to where I made > >> > such and admission or offer a retraction. > >> > >> This thread is too long for me to ever bother looking up anything. I do > >> recall you having said that you have no concern for the group. You stand > >> condemned out of your own mouth. In any event, your stalking shows that > >> you > >> do not ever consider the welfare of the group. > >> [...] > > > > Not so fast .... "Fast" Eddy. What a pathetic attempt dismiss my > > challenge. What Ed recalls and what was actually said (written) are > > not one and the same. I stand condemned ONLY by Ed's own mouth and by > > Ed' own failing memory. FACT ...nothing is proven in the absence of > > evidence. In making an accusation, the burden of proof rests with the > > accuser. In spite of Ed's effort to distort the facts, the facts > > remain the facts. No matter what kind of spin spin he vainly attempts > > to put on things, the fact remains that an uncorroborated assertion > > does not a fact make ... and, THAT'S A FACT!!! > > > > I will reissue that challenge ... Ed Dolan, please be so kind as to > > provide a reference to where I made such an admission or offer a > > retraction. In the event that you Ed is unable or unwilling to do so > > (read offers an excuse for not doing so or does not respond to the > > challenge), I will consider having made my point even if Ed is > > unwilling to admit to wrongdoing and does not offer a retraction. Like I said, In the event that Ed Dolan Ed is unable or unwilling to cite a reference where I stated that I had no concern for the group (read offers an excuse for not doing so or does not respond to the challenge), I would consider having made my point even if Ed is unwilling to admit to wrong oing and does not offer a retraction. Dolan did not take up the challenge, did not cite a reference and characteristically did not admit to wrongdoing or offer a retraction. WHY??? Because is is unable to do so. Ed Donlan LIED and he got caught up in his lie and is just not man enough to own up. He never is. I rest my case. This matter is now no closed and no longer open for discussion. > Jim proves with his every post what a trivial mind and petty personality he > has. He ought to be ashamed of himself if he had any personal pride. > "In any event, your stalking shows that you > do not ever consider the welfare of the group." - Ed Dolan > > >> > Opinion stated as fact. > >> > >> The above will get you nowhere. I am not ever stating facts. I am always > >> stating opinion. You need to refute my opinion with your opinion. Any > >> other > >> course is foolhardy. > > > > For once I agree with Dolan. He states his opinion as though fact but > > issue the disclaimer that he is all about opinion so as not to get all > > caught up in facts and proven wrong, but lets get on with it. Ed is a > > retired librarian so he knows very well that an opinion, by definition, > > is a thought, a belief, a feeling, an impression, a notion, a judgment, > > a view, a sentiment and, as such, one opinion neither does nor can it > > possibly refute another opinion and thats not an opinion. That's a > > fact, but facts are something that Dolan has a phobia about ever coming > > in contact with. > > This newsgroup is not about facts. It never was and it never will be. But in > any event, there is no one here who even knows how to argue about facts, let > alone opinions. Certainly not you > [...] More errant opinions stated as facts, the worst bring Ed's opinion that this newsgroup is only about opinions (mainly his). This newsgroup has elements of both ,,, fact and opinion and should not be restricted to or dominated by Dolan's opinions. Opinions are subject to debate. Facts are not. Could this be the reason why Dolan hates facts? Undoubtedly. A fact is information about circumstances that are known to exist or events that are known to have occurred. As such, facts are not subject to debate and that's a fact ... not an opinion. Dolan continues to misconstrue the none to subtle distinction between what constitutes a fact and what constitutes an opinion. Ed's own words betray the obvious, that he never has and never will know the difference. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 16 Jan 2007 01:39:58 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168873498.664673.194900@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... [...] >> > I will reissue that challenge ... Ed Dolan, please be so kind as to >> > provide a reference to where I made such an admission or offer a >> > retraction. In the event that you Ed is unable or unwilling to do so >> > (read offers an excuse for not doing so or does not respond to the >> > challenge), I will consider having made my point even if Ed is >> > unwilling to admit to wrongdoing and does not offer a retraction. > > Like I said, In the event that Ed Dolan Ed is unable or unwilling to > cite a reference where I stated that I had no concern for the group > (read offers an excuse for not doing so or does not respond to the > challenge), I would consider having made my point even if Ed is > unwilling to admit to wrong oing and does not offer a retraction. > Dolan did not take up the challenge, did not cite a reference and > characteristically did not admit to wrongdoing or offer a retraction. > WHY??? Because is is unable to do so. Ed Donlan LIED and he got > caught up in his lie and is just not man enough to own up. He never > is. I rest my case. This matter is now no closed and no longer open > for discussion. Let us say I went back and found the phrase where you tell us that you are not concerned with the group. What would be the upshot of it? We know in advance that you would put a spin on it so that it would not say what it in fact you did say. But I have got a far better idea. Since you like to look up things, you go back and find it yourself. Then bring it to the group so we can all have another look at it and then we shall see who said what. I will not look up shit from previous posts because it is always for nothing. Everyone on this group is a weasel and knows how to slither out of anything. So much for facts, or logic - or anything else for that matter. [...] >> This newsgroup is not about facts. It never was and it never will be. But >> in >> any event, there is no one here who even knows how to argue about facts, >> let >> alone opinions. Certainly not you >> [...] > > More errant opinions stated as facts, the worst bring Ed's opinion that > this newsgroup is only about opinions (mainly his). This newsgroup has > elements of both ,,, fact and opinion and should not be restricted to > or dominated by Dolan's opinions. > > Opinions are subject to debate. Facts are not. Could this be the > reason why Dolan hates facts? Undoubtedly. A fact is information > about circumstances that are known to exist or events that are known to > have occurred. As such, facts are not subject to debate and that's a > fact ... not an opinion. Dolan continues to misconstrue the none to > subtle distinction between what constitutes a fact and what constitutes > an opinion. Ed's own words betray the obvious, that he never has and > never will know the difference. Well, let us see ... Both the Israelis and the Palestinians think they are in possession of the relevant facts as to who should occupy the area that Israel now occupies. And they both can make good logical arguments as to who is right and who is wrong. Any and all outsiders are totally befuddled. Even former President Carter can't think straight on the issue anymore (if he ever could). I maintain that facts can be argued about endlessly depending on the perspective. The same goes for logic which has never been a reliable guide to good thinking. Scientific facts are somewhat different, but not totally. To be in awe of so-called facts ks you as an ignoramus. Also, everyone on this group should get acquainted with the concept of sophistry since everyone here reeks of it as do most folks everywhere. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 15 Jan 2007 05:48:42 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > <jimmymc_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168821849.588836.42390@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > [...] > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> > >> So far I have never been wrong about anything, except for trivial details > >> of > >> fact. I stated at the outset many years ago that I am all about opinion > >> and > >> I have nothing but contempt for facts. That is for lesser minds than > >> mine. > > > > And to think that I believe that only God was infallible. We are all > > aware that Ed Dolan lives in fear of facts. He has as much as stated > > so the many times that he has indicated that he is all about opinion. > > For Dolan, a cyber-skirmish regarding opinion is a far more comfortable > > combative arena to engage in because it is difficult to challenge and > > prove wrong an opinion. Dolan takes solace from this because he is > > less likely to be proven fallible ... a frailty of the human condition > > that he could not possibly admit to, but you all knew that, didn't you? > > "So far I have never been wrong about anything, except for trivial details > of > fact. I stated at the outset many years ago that I am all about opinion and > I have nothing but contempt for facts. That is for lesser minds than > mine." - Ed Dolan See my response immediately above to this repetion in lieu of a response. !!! D O L A N R E P E T I T I T I O N A L E R T !!! ... The cerebrally impotent HEAD Dolan the GRATE contributes nothing which he hasn't already written countless times before. Not a single, original, creative thought ever emanates from his atrophied brain. Regurgitation of time-worm gibberish is the best effort that this doddering old dolt can muster. So feeble is the decrepit fool, that he fails to recognize that there's no compelling reason for recycling his monotonous, repetitious drivel. This puerile geriatric's worthless, rehashed nonsense is a waste of Internet bandwidth, server CPU cycles and archival disk storage. > >> Opinions are only right or wrong in reference to what I think of them. > >> Opinions in and of themselves are neither right nor wrong until > >> determined > >> by irrefutable fact. Has a fact ever intruded on this newsgroup? I think > >> not! > > > > Now this is interesting ... an errant opinion about opinion. Let looks > > at these two assumptions: > > > > 1. An opinion is either right or wrong based on what Dolan's opinion of > > the opinion being right or wrong ... utter nonsense of course, let's > > move on. > > 2. An opinion is right or wrong based on irrefutable fact(s) . I can > > accept that as a reasonable statement, which surprises me coming from > > Dolan, but herein lies the dilemma. If one accepts the second > > assumption as valid, one must reject the first as invalid because an > > opinion proven to be either right or wrong is right or wrong regardless > > of how Dolan regards the rightness or wrongness of an opinion that has > > irrefutably been substantiated fact(s). In other words assumption #1 > > is as nonsensical as it author. > > Poor Jim flunked all of his philosphy courses at college. But those Catholic > colleges are all stuck on scholastic nonsense from the Middle Ages. Logic > 101 anyone? Diversion duly noted. This is the best that Dolan can do when confronted by irrefutable logic. Logic 101 anyone? How about Dolan? This is a course that Dolan could profit from enrolling in. Perhaps then he'd not come off looking like such a fool. I didn't flunk a single philosophy class. I accumulated almost enough hours for philosophy to have been my major and did well in all my philosophy courses. If Ed has a problem with a liberal arts education from a respected University, that' s his problem to wrestle with. > >> I used to laugh hilariously at Tom Sherman with his so-called facts. Most > >> facts can be argued about endlessly. Sometimes I think only scientists > >> can > >> ever posit a fact. The rest of us are permanently at sea. > > > > Diversion duly noted. This issue has nothing to do with Tom Sherman > > who is far more logical than Ed Dolan can ever aspire to be. A fact is > > a piece of information about circumstances or things that are known to > > exist or events that are known to have occurred. Facts reflect > > reality. Reality is not debatable. Opinions are debatable. Facts are > > not. This is an elementary concept that Dolan had yet to grasp. > > Poor Jim flunked all of his philosphy courses at college. But those Catholic > colleges are all stuck on scholastic nonsense from the Middle Ages. Logic > 101 anyone? - Ed Dolan Repetition in lie of a response duly noted. This is the best that Dolan can do when confronted by irrefutable logic. Logic 101 anyone? How about Dolan? This is a course that Dolan could profit from enrolling in. Perhaps then he'd not come off looking like such a fool. I didn't flunk a single philosophy class. I accumulated almost enough hours for philosophy to have been my major and did well in all my philosophy courses. If Ed has a problem with a liberal arts education from a respected University, that' s his problem to wrestle with. !!! D O L A N R E P E T I T I T I O N A L E R T !!! ... The cerebrally impotent HEAD Dolan the GRATE contributes nothing which he hasn't already written countless times before. Not a single, original, creative thought ever emanates from his atrophied brain. Regurgitation of time-worm gibberish is the best effort that this doddering old dolt can muster. So feeble is the decrepit fool, that he fails to recognize that there's no compelling reason for recycling his monotonous, repetitious drivel. This puerile geriatric's worthless, rehashed nonsense is a waste of Internet bandwidth, server CPU cycles and archival disk storage. > >> >> As far as I know, Tom Sherman is an intelligent man of > >> >> good moral character, but he is consistently wrongheaded about most > >> >> things > >> >> under the sun. It all springs from his liberalism of course. > >> > > >> > I plea with the man to offer an original though, something the > >> > readership has not committed to memory form its many recitations and Ed > >> > again provides us with the Tom Sherman assessment for the umpteenth > >> > time. How very original. > >> > >> Jim does not like Tom Sherman anymore than he does me. The lot of a > >> stalker > >> on Usenet cannot be a pleasant one. > > > > Diversion duly noted. This issue has nothing to do with Tom Sherman, > > but I suppose Ed Dolan will never get over feeling inferior to Tom just > > as he will never get over feeling inferior to me. > > As you can see, Jim never likes the discussion to get off of him. But the > fact is that he is not that interesting - and so I will talk about other > things than him, in fact, whatever suits my fancy. Note how he is never able > to talk about anyone but me. Yes, I know it is a tribute to my Greatness, > but he is just so tiresome - don't you think? As we all can plainly see, diversion is Dolan's thinly veiled means of escape when cornered. I have talked about others but to assume the greatness is why I talk of you is a conclusion that does not strictly follow from the premise (logical fallacy - Non Sequitur). Dolan does have an almost insurmountable problem to overcome ... thinking and expressing himself logically. > Poor Jim is nothing but a stalker and he proves it over and over every time > he posts a message to this newsgroup. He is truly a pathetic character. !!! D O L A N R E P E T I T I T I O N A L E R T !!! ... The cerebrally impotent HEAD Dolan the GRATE contributes nothing which he hasn't already written countless times before. Not a single, original, creative thought ever emanates from his atrophied brain. Regurgitation of time-worm gibberish is the best effort that this doddering old dolt can muster. So feeble is the decrepit fool, that he fails to recognize that there's no compelling reason for recycling his monotonous, repetitious drivel. This puerile geriatric's worthless, rehashed nonsense is a waste of Internet bandwidth, server CPU cycles and archival disk storage. Quit your whining, already. You have only yourself to blame for the "stalking" that you have fallen victim of from your many adversaries. You intentionally go trolling for fights. When you encounter a tenacious, formidable adversary, and find yourself hopelessly embroiled in an embarrassing no-win cyber-skirmish, in desperation, you move to disencumber yourself by seeking to discredit and dismiss your adversary by labeling him or her as a stalker. This thinly disguised ploy of yours has failed countless times. If you really want to escape your self-inflicted dilemma, then turn tail, crawl on out of here. Return to the rock that you slithered out from under. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 16 Jan 2007 01:14:28 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168868922.635223.304840@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> Poor Jim flunked all of his philosphy courses at college. But those >> Catholic >> colleges are all stuck on scholastic nonsense from the Middle Ages. Logic >> 101 anyone? > > Diversion duly noted. This is the best that Dolan can do when > confronted by irrefutable logic. Logic 101 anyone? How about Dolan? > This is a course that Dolan could profit from enrolling in. Perhaps > then he'd not come off looking like such a fool. I didn't flunk a > single philosophy class. I accumulated almost enough hours for > philosophy to have been my major and did well in all my philosophy > courses. If Ed has a problem with a liberal arts education from a > respected University, that' s his problem to wrestle with. Jim is just about the funniest fellow I know. That is because is never knows when his leg is being pulled. He is oblivious to it. I supposed if I accused him of beating his wife, he would feel the need to deny it! I have already expressed to him and to many others on this group that I have a fair amount of contempt for the facts and for logic, such as they exist on this group. I am all about opinion and nothing else. Facts and logic can be argued about just as endlessly as can opinions. I thought everyone knew at least that much. Thus spake Zarathustra. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 15 Jan 2007 05:23:13 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > <jimmymc_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168819470.480218.218190@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1168674982.754234.161600@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com... > >> > > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> [...] > >> >> Even his good pal Wayne Leggett, the poet of shit and > >> >> piss and ass and fuck, saw fit not to comment on Jim's modest effort > >> >> at > >> >> poetry. > >> > > >> > What's you point? Maybe Wayne will comment on this... > >> > >> The point is that Wayne Leggett is even more self-absorbed than you are. > >> But > >> that is the nature of artists like him. Do not ever expect any kind of > >> response from him. You are extremely lucky to have someone like me here > >> who > >> will at least pay some attention to you. > > > > Oh ... hurt me Ed! Ignore me! Like I need Ed's attention. Who the > > hell does besides his 20 filines in his cathouse? > > What? STILL no comment from Wayne Leggett, the poet of shit and piss and ass > and fuck, on your modest efforts at verse to date? Apparently, for some strange reason, this matters to Ed far more that it does me. I don't need someone elses approval for validation and satisfaction. Ed must have been neglected horribly in that regard in his early childhood. > >> > There's a TROLL from Minnesota > >> > Who's opine matters not one iota > >> > The objections he's heard > >> > But he remains undeterred > >> > > >> > A librarian by trade > >> > Whose had never been laid > >> > His sole intercourse > >> > Is Usenet discourse > >> > >> Sexual intercourse is not about being laid. It is about procreating, > >> i.e., > >> bringing another human being into the world with all that that entails. > >> Even > >> though I am not religious, I damn all secularists to Hell and back for > >> their > >> immorality. > > > > It must be hell to hold such a view knowing that a member of the same > > sex cannot conceive! > > Like all secularists, you talked about getting laid, not about conceiving. > Jeff Grippe is another asshole like you who thinks getting laid is what life > is all about. The two of you should get together and do a bisexual thing if > you can find some whore who will accommodate you. > [...] I seem to have struck a nerve in the queen's closet. > >> > His advice is regurged > >> > But ignored are his words > >> > He's deaf to requests > >> > To abandon his quest > >> > > >> > He rants and he raves > >> >>From the bowels of his cave > >> > His opinions don't matter > >> > He is a mad hatter > >> > > >> > The day will come to pass > >> > The troll will breathe his lasts > >> > Then things will settle down > >> > In the absence of the clown > >> > >> Jim, you will have to work on your punctuation if you expect to hear from > >> Wayne Leggett. But I must say, I like your verse much better than his. It > >> just reads better. > > > > Apparently Ed, though a retired librarian[,] know [s] nothing of literary > > liecence [license]. Pershap [Perhaps] he never read e.e. cummings, who > > never even emloyed [employed] > > an upper case "i" [.] He's found his niche as editor (typo/spell checker). Lets all hope Ed concentrates on this new endeavor than on the monotonous crusade we've all become all too familiar with. I'd bee glad to kontribute mower if dat wood help sum. > First you have to prove that you can write poetry that anyone would want to > read before you can break the rules. Cummings in any event was an asshole > poet. I thought everyone knew at least that much. I have no overwhelming compulsion to prove anything to someone who matters no in the leastt. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 16 Jan 2007 01:03:29 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168867393.746629.72320@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> What? STILL no comment from Wayne Leggett, the poet of shit and piss and >> ass >> and fuck, on your modest efforts at verse to date? > > Apparently, for some strange reason, this matters to Ed far more that > it does me. I don't need someone elses approval for validation and > satisfaction. Ed must have been neglected horribly in that regard in > his early childhood. I have advised Wayne Leggett in another post to get back to you forthwith with some approval so that you don't wither and die on the vine pining away for some affirmation. Even poor pathetic trolls deserve some consideration. >> >> > There's a TROLL from Minnesota >> >> > Who's opine matters not one iota >> >> > The objections he's heard >> >> > But he remains undeterred >> >> > >> >> > A librarian by trade >> >> > Whose had never been laid >> >> > His sole intercourse >> >> > Is Usenet discourse >> >> >> >> Sexual intercourse is not about being laid. It is about procreating, >> >> i.e., >> >> bringing another human being into the world with all that that >> >> entails. >> >> Even >> >> though I am not religious, I damn all secularists to Hell and back for >> >> their >> >> immorality. >> > >> > It must be hell to hold such a view knowing that a member of the same >> > sex cannot conceive! >> >> Like all secularists, you talked about getting laid, not about >> conceiving. >> Jeff Grippe is another asshole like you who thinks getting laid is what >> life >> is all about. The two of you should get together and do a bisexual thing >> if >> you can find some whore who will accommodate you. >> [...] > > I seem to have struck a nerve in the queen's closet. Very wise of you not to go and on about the virutes of fornication. >> >> > His advice is regurged >> >> > But ignored are his words >> >> > He's deaf to requests >> >> > To abandon his quest >> >> > >> >> > He rants and he raves >> >> >>From the bowels of his cave >> >> > His opinions don't matter >> >> > He is a mad hatter >> >> > >> >> > The day will come to pass >> >> > The troll will breathe his lasts >> >> > Then things will settle down >> >> > In the absence of the clown >> >> >> >> Jim, you will have to work on your punctuation if you expect to hear >> >> from >> >> Wayne Leggett. But I must say, I like your verse much better than his. >> >> It >> >> just reads better. >> > >> > Apparently Ed, though a retired librarian[,] know [s] nothing of >> > literary >> > liecence [license]. Pershap [Perhaps] he never read e.e. cummings, who >> > never even emloyed [employed] >> > an upper case "i" [.] > > He's found his niche as editor (typo/spell checker). Lets all hope Ed > concentrates on this new endeavor than on the monotonous crusade we've > all become all too familiar with. I'd bee glad to kontribute mower if > dat wood help sum. Not all your errors are typos by any means. Some are words wrongly used. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 15 Jan 2007 05:08:30 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > <jimmymc_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168815282.814964.202530@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1168309454.101083.102550@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> > >> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! > >> > >> > Ed, > >> > > >> > Top posted for your benefit and enjoyment. To the contrary ... I have > >> > had much to say about the content of your posts. Your just too thick > >> > headed to recognize it. Most recently the beer versus win and length > >> > of stay in Europe and waste of of jet fuel nonsense that you were wrong > >> > about in both instances. Lately I've had little to say simply because > >> > there has to be content in order for me to be able to say anything > >> > about it" and your posts are comprised mostly of recycled garbage. > >> > What you consider to be content is just repetitious nonsense. Your > >> > posts are akin to a broken record. > >> > >> Repetition is the key to all learning. In the case of this newsgroup, it > >> is > >> impossible to say anything too often. In fact, what is called for is a > >> heavy > >> mallet to pound some knowledge into all the thick skulls that seem to > >> reside > >> here on permanent basis. > > > > R E P E T I T I T I O N A L E R T ... The cerebrally impotent HEAD > > Dolan the GRATE contributes nothing which he hasn't already written > > countless times before. Not a single, original, creative thought ever > > emanates from his atrophied brain. Regurgitation of time-worm > > gibberish is the best effort that this doddering old dolt can muster. > > So feeble is the aged fool, that he fails to recognize that there's no > > compelling reason for recycling his monotonous, repetitious drivel. > > This puerile geriatric's worthless rehashed nonsense is a waste of > > Internet bandwidth, server CPU cycles and archival disk storage. > > > > Unlike you are brains and our memory are not failing us. We've heard > > it all before som many times that. whether we like it or not, we have > > committed it all to memory. If you've nothing new to offer us, take > > leave of ARBR. > > "Repetition is the key to all learning. In the case of this newsgroup, it is > impossible to say anything too often. In fact, what is called for is a heavy > mallet to pound some knowledge into all the thick skulls that seem to reside > here on permanent basis." - Ed Dolan !!! D O L A N R E P E T I T I T I O N A L E R T !!! ... The cerebrally impotent HEAD Dolan the GRATE contributes nothing which he hasn't already written countless times before. Not a single, original, creative thought ever emanates from his atrophied brain. Regurgitation of time-worm gibberish is the best effort that this doddering old dolt can muster. So feeble is the decrepit fool, that he fails to recognize that there's no compelling reason for recycling his monotonous, repetitious drivel. This puerile geriatric's worthless, rehashed nonsense is a waste of Internet bandwidth, server CPU cycles and archival disk storage. - Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 14 Jan 2007 17:03:01 From: Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168676303.593071.221920@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1168638650.263132.73120@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > >> > > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> [...] > >> >> You have no regard for the group. You never have and you never will, > >> >> but > >> >> you > >> >> should not crow about it. You treat the group like they are just email > >> >> fodder for you, not a newsgroup with its own interests apart from > >> >> yours. > >> >> It > >> >> all goes to your lack of group awareness. It is a personal failing to > >> >> be > >> >> so > >> >> constituted, not something to be proud of. > >> >> [...] > >> > > >> > I hope that everyone in need of a real good laugh reads your lecture > >> > about group awareness. This has to be one of you classic posts of all > >> > time. The erroneous assumption is that you of all people have group > >> > awareness??? Now, that's got to be the best joke I've heard in a long > >> > time. Google please archive this post as on off sight contingency > >> > backup storage. This is just too precious to ever lose. > >> > >> The only time you ever show up on the group is to air your personal > >> grievances with a one-on-one. > > > > In a private email, Ed challenged me to do just that and having > > accepted his challenge he now has regrets and whines about my > > acceptance ... how very interesting. > > Nope! Email is one thing and Usenet is something else all together. If you > do not have concern for the group, then get the hell out of here! I know the difference and I will reiterate since the concept escaped Ed's poor powers of perception the first time around ... Ed challenged me to take him on in here at ARBR and now has regrets and is crying about it. As concerns concern for the group, the man has never had concern for or consideration for the group and is therefore in no position to lecture anyone else in this particular regard. > >> And you admit to having no concern about the > >> group, > > > > I did not. Please be so kind as to provide a reference to where I made > > such and admission or offer a retraction. > > This thread is too long for me to ever bother looking up anything. I do > recall you having said that you have no concern for the group. You stand > condemned out of your own mouth. In any event, your stalking shows that you > do not ever consider the welfare of the group. > [...] Not so fast .... "Fast" Eddy. What a pathetic attempt dismiss my challenge. What Ed recalls and what was actually said (written) are not one and the same. I stand condemned ONLY by Ed's own mouth and by Ed' own failing memory. FACT ...nothing is proven in the absence of evidence. In making an accusation, the burden of proof rests with the accuser. In spite of Ed's effort to distort the facts, the facts remain the facts. No matter what kind of spin spin he vainly attempts to put on things, the fact remains that an uncorroborated assertion does not a fact make ... and, THAT'S A FACT!!! I will reissue that challenge ... Ed Dolan, please be so kind as to provide a reference to where I made such an admission or offer a retraction. In the event that you Ed is unable or unwilling to do so (read offers and excuse for not doing so or not responding to the challenge), I will consider having made my point even if Ed is unwilling to admit to wrong doing and offer a retraction. > > Opinion stated as fact. > > The above will get you nowhere. I am not ever stating facts. I am always > stating opinion. You need to refute my opinion with your opinion. Any other > course is foolhardy. For once I agree with Dolan. He states his opinion as though fact but issue the disclaimer that he is all about opinion so as not to get all caught up in facts and proven wrong, but lets get on with it. Ed is a retired librarian so he knows very well that an opinion, by definition, is a thought, a belief, a feeling, an impression, a notion, a judgment, a view, a sentiment and, as such, one opinion neither does nor can it possibly refute another opinion and thats not an opinion. That's a fact, but facts are something that Dolan has a phobia about ever coming in contact with. > >> You are just so incredibly dense. I don't know why > >> > I wast my time one you. There must be something to this ... you can't > >> > teach an old dog new tricks. > >> > >> Compliments like the above will get you nowhere with me. I insist on > >> honest > >> criticism if you are to have any credibility. Just tell me how Great I am > >> and forget everything else. That is what I would do if I were you. > > > > That is what Ed Doan would do because Ed Doal is a sham. I wouldn't tell > > Ed Doaln how great he is because I am not a prevaricator. I tell it > > like it is not like Ed would like for it to be told and heard. Why is > > it that Mr. Dolan needs to hear that nonsense any way? Doesn't he hear it > > enough from himself? I guess the sicko just cant' get enough > > attention. Mommy must have short-changed him th the recognition > > department. > > Just tell me how Great I am and call it a day. That is what I would do if I > were a pip-squeak like you. No offense, but we can't all be Great. I'll go Ed one better. I mean, why stop at Great? OK ... here Goes. Ed Dolan is a GREAT BIG FOOLl!!! Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 15 Jan 2007 03:26:28 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste <jimmymc_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168822981.318863.196260@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1168676303.593071.221920@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> >> news:1168638650.263132.73120@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >> >> > >> >> > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> >> You have no regard for the group. You never have and you never >> >> >> will, >> >> >> but >> >> >> you >> >> >> should not crow about it. You treat the group like they are just >> >> >> email >> >> >> fodder for you, not a newsgroup with its own interests apart from >> >> >> yours. >> >> >> It >> >> >> all goes to your lack of group awareness. It is a personal failing >> >> >> to >> >> >> be >> >> >> so >> >> >> constituted, not something to be proud of. >> >> >> [...] >> >> > >> >> > I hope that everyone in need of a real good laugh reads your lecture >> >> > about group awareness. This has to be one of you classic posts of >> >> > all >> >> > time. The erroneous assumption is that you of all people have group >> >> > awareness??? Now, that's got to be the best joke I've heard in a >> >> > long >> >> > time. Google please archive this post as on off sight contingency >> >> > backup storage. This is just too precious to ever lose. >> >> >> >> The only time you ever show up on the group is to air your personal >> >> grievances with a one-on-one. >> > >> > In a private email, Ed challenged me to do just that and having >> > accepted his challenge he now has regrets and whines about my >> > acceptance ... how very interesting. >> >> Nope! Email is one thing and Usenet is something else all together. If >> you >> do not have concern for the group, then get the hell out of here! > > I know the difference and I will reiterate since the concept escaped > Ed's poor powers of perception the first time around ... Ed challenged > me to take him on in here at ARBR and now has regrets and is crying > about it. As concerns concern for the group, the man has never had > concern for or consideration for the group and is therefore in no > position to lecture anyone else in this particular regard. Jim proves with his every post what a trivial mind and petty personality he has. He ought to be ashamed of himself if he had any personal pride. "In any event, your stalking shows that you do not ever consider the welfare of the group." - Ed Dolan >> >> And you admit to having no concern about the >> >> group, >> > >> > I did not. Please be so kind as to provide a reference to where I made >> > such and admission or offer a retraction. >> >> This thread is too long for me to ever bother looking up anything. I do >> recall you having said that you have no concern for the group. You stand >> condemned out of your own mouth. In any event, your stalking shows that >> you >> do not ever consider the welfare of the group. >> [...] > > Not so fast .... "Fast" Eddy. What a pathetic attempt dismiss my > challenge. What Ed recalls and what was actually said (written) are > not one and the same. I stand condemned ONLY by Ed's own mouth and by > Ed' own failing memory. FACT ...nothing is proven in the absence of > evidence. In making an accusation, the burden of proof rests with the > accuser. In spite of Ed's effort to distort the facts, the facts > remain the facts. No matter what kind of spin spin he vainly attempts > to put on things, the fact remains that an uncorroborated assertion > does not a fact make ... and, THAT'S A FACT!!! > > I will reissue that challenge ... Ed Dolan, please be so kind as to > provide a reference to where I made such an admission or offer a > retraction. In the event that you Ed is unable or unwilling to do so > (read offers and excuse for not doing so or not responding to the > challenge), I will consider having made my point even if Ed is > unwilling to admit to wrong doing and offer a retraction. Jim proves with his every post what a trivial mind and petty personality he has. He ought to be ashamed of himself if he had any personal pride. "In any event, your stalking shows that you do not ever consider the welfare of the group." - Ed Dolan >> > Opinion stated as fact. >> >> The above will get you nowhere. I am not ever stating facts. I am always >> stating opinion. You need to refute my opinion with your opinion. Any >> other >> course is foolhardy. > > For once I agree with Dolan. He states his opinion as though fact but > issue the disclaimer that he is all about opinion so as not to get all > caught up in facts and proven wrong, but lets get on with it. Ed is a > retired librarian so he knows very well that an opinion, by definition, > is a thought, a belief, a feeling, an impression, a notion, a judgment, > a view, a sentiment and, as such, one opinion neither does nor can it > possibly refute another opinion and thats not an opinion. That's a > fact, but facts are something that Dolan has a phobia about ever coming > in contact with. This newsgroup is not about facts. It never was and it never will be. But in any event, there is no one here who even knows how to argue about facts, let alone opinions. Certainly not you [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 14 Jan 2007 16:44:09 From: Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168674272.400158.155330@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1168636798.962301.145780@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> [...] > >> > > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> >> I have known characters like Jim all of my life. The way to get along > >> >> with > >> >> them is to be agreeable. But once you are no longer agreeable, they > >> >> are > >> >> quick to take offense. This all springs from a sense of inferiority. I > >> >> have > >> >> never had that problem myself. When someone disagrees with me, I > >> >> simply > >> >> consider such a person to be wrongheaded and it does not effect what I > >> >> think > >> >> about myself in the slightest. Gentlemen, that is what is known as a > >> >> strong > >> >> ego. Well, some of us have it and others of us don't. > >> > > >> > I have known no characters like Ed Dolan in all my life. He is one of > >> > a kind, thank God. Readers Ed's self-analysis comes to you form > >> > someone who previously claimed not to have an ego an now claims to have > >> > a strong one. The man is a walking, talking contradiction. > >> > >> What I think of myself is fixed. The opinions I hold are not. > >> > >> What we > >> > have demonstrate here are a couple of ego defense mechanisms at work > >> > (rationalization). Ed Doaln has a character flaw that has been paraded > >> > around newsgroups for years. To admit to being wrong is for him an > >> > admission of weakness which is in and of itself a weakness. > >> > >> I do not mind in the least admitting I am wrong. > > > > Could you please supply the readership with an example of when this has > > ever occurred. I thank you on their behalf in advance for the > > forthcoming revelation. > > So far I have never been wrong about anything, except for trivial details of > fact. I stated at the outset many years ago that I am all about opinion and > I have nothing but contempt for facts. That is for lesser minds than mine. And to think that I believe that only God was infallible. We are all aware that Ed Dolan lives in fear of facts. He has as much as stated so the many times that he has indicated that he is all about opinion. For Dolan, a cyber-skirmish regarding opinion is a far comfortable combative arena to engage in because it is difficult to challenge and prove wrong an opinion. Dolan takes solace from this becausee he is less likely to be proven fallible ... a frailty of the human condition that he could not possibly admit to, but you all knew that, didn't you? > >> But that does not effect > >> what I think of myself. > >> > >> Rather > >> > than admit when he is wrong Ed Dolan invokes another ego defense > >> > mechanism (projection) by asserting that anyone who disagrees with him > >> > is wrongheaded. > >> > >> Opinions can either be right or wrong. > > > > Agreed. > > > >> As long as I remain convinced I am > >> right, than those who disagree with me are simply wrongheaded, i.e, their > >> opinions are wrong. > > > > Utter nonsense and a logical fallacy (Non Sequitur). The conclusion > > does not strictly follow from the premise. If one holds an opinion > > that is in error then it is logical to assume that those that disagree > > and hold the opposing opinion are in fact "rightheaded" and the holder > > of the errant opinion is merely stubbornly "wrongheaded". Believing > > that an opinion is right has no bearing upon the validity of an opinion > > held be it one's own or that of another.. An opinion is either right > > or wrong on its own merit. I doubt that Ed followed this elementary > > logic. He powers of reasoning are on the decline. The man can't think > > straight any more. > > Opinions are only right or wrong in reference to what I think of them. > Opinions in and of themselves are neither right nor wrong until determined > by irrefutable fact. Has a fact ever intruded on this newsgroup? I think > not! Now this is interesting ... an errant opinion about opinion. Let looks at these two assumptions: 1. An opinion is either right or wrong based on what Dolan's opinion of the opinion being right or wrong ... utter nonsense of course, let's move on. 2. An opinion is right or wrong based on irrefutable fact(s) . I can accept that as a reasonable statement, which surprises me coming from Dolan, but herein lies the dilemma. If one accepts the second assumption as valid, one must reject the first as invalid because an opinion proven to be either right or wrong is right or wrong regardless of how Dolan regards the rightness or wrongness of an opinion that has irrefutably been substantiated fact(s). In other words assumption #1 is as nonsensical as it author. > I used to laugh hilariously at Tom Sherman with his so-called facts. Most > facts can be argued about endlessly. Sometimes I think only scientists can > ever posit a fact. The rest of us are permanently at sea. Diversion duly noted. This issue has nothing to do with Tom Sherman who is far more logical than Ed Dolan can ever aspire to be. A fact is a piece of information about circumstances or things that are known to exist or events that are known to have occurred. Facts reflect reality. Reality is not debatable. Opinions are debatable. Facts are not. This is an elementary concept that Dolan had yet to grasp. > >> As far as I know, Tom Sherman is an intelligent man of > >> good moral character, but he is consistently wrongheaded about most > >> things > >> under the sun. It all springs from his liberalism of course. > > > > I plea with the man to offer an original though, something the > > readership has not committed to memory form its many recitations and Ed > > again provides us with the Tom Sherman assessment for the umpteenth > > time. How very original. > > Jim does not like Tom Sherman anymore than he does me. The lot of a stalker > on Usenet cannot be a pleasant one. Diversion duly noted. This issue has nothing to do with Tom Sherman, but I suppose Ed Dolan will never get over feeling inferior to Tom just as he will never get over feeling inferior to me. > >> Ed Dolan is pitifully transparent example of one > >> > suffering from an inferiority complex. For someone of his vintage, Ed > >> > Doaln is exceptionally immature and insecure. > >> > >> Ah, if only it were indeed that easy to brush me off, but you and I both > >> know that is not true. > > > > Unlike you, I am as you have accused me to be ... sincere and state > > what I believe to be true. > > Nonsense, no one will take a stalker seriously. You are motivated solely by > spite as all stalkers are. Opinion stated as fact. > >> Jim has become nothing but a stalker, the most pathetic creature to be > >> found > >> on Usenet. He is more to be pitied than condemned. I do feel sorry for > >> him. > >> He has a weak ego and I have a strong ego. If he also had a strong ego, > >> he > >> would not feel the need to stalk me. It would never even occur to me to > >> stalk anyone since I KNOW I am better than anyone else. That is why I am > >> Ed > >> Dolan the Great - and you aren't! > > > > More of the same timeworn copy and paste repetitious crap from the man > > who can only recycle and is incapable of a solitary original thought. > > How lame ... how pathetic ... how pitiful.. > > You need to stop stalking. You can only do that with your intellectual > inferiors, not with your intellectual superiors. Ed really should talk to his therapist about these delusions of his. R E P E T I T I T I O N A L E R T ... The cerebrally impotent HEAD Dolan the GRATE contributes nothing which he hasn't already written countless times before. Not a single, original, creative thought ever emanates from his atrophied brain. Regurgitation of time-worm gibberish is the best effort that this doddering old dolt can muster. So feeble is the aged fool, that he fails to recognize that there's no compelling reason for recycling his monotonous, repetitious drivel. This puerile geriatric's worthless rehashed nonsense is a waste of Internet bandwidth, server CPU cycles and archival disk storage. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 15 Jan 2007 03:14:14 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste <jimmymc_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168821849.588836.42390@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... [...] > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> So far I have never been wrong about anything, except for trivial details >> of >> fact. I stated at the outset many years ago that I am all about opinion >> and >> I have nothing but contempt for facts. That is for lesser minds than >> mine. > > And to think that I believe that only God was infallible. We are all > aware that Ed Dolan lives in fear of facts. He has as much as stated > so the many times that he has indicated that he is all about opinion. > For Dolan, a cyber-skirmish regarding opinion is a far comfortable > combative arena to engage in because it is difficult to challenge and > prove wrong an opinion. Dolan takes solace from this becausee he is > less likely to be proven fallible ... a frailty of the human condition > that he could not possibly admit to, but you all knew that, didn't you? "So far I have never been wrong about anything, except for trivial details of fact. I stated at the outset many years ago that I am all about opinion and I have nothing but contempt for facts. That is for lesser minds than mine." - Ed Dolan [...] >> Opinions are only right or wrong in reference to what I think of them. >> Opinions in and of themselves are neither right nor wrong until >> determined >> by irrefutable fact. Has a fact ever intruded on this newsgroup? I think >> not! > > Now this is interesting ... an errant opinion about opinion. Let looks > at these two assumptions: > > 1. An opinion is either right or wrong based on what Dolan's opinion of > the opinion being right or wrong ... utter nonsense of course, let's > move on. > 2. An opinion is right or wrong based on irrefutable fact(s) . I can > accept that as a reasonable statement, which surprises me coming from > Dolan, but herein lies the dilemma. If one accepts the second > assumption as valid, one must reject the first as invalid because an > opinion proven to be either right or wrong is right or wrong regardless > of how Dolan regards the rightness or wrongness of an opinion that has > irrefutably been substantiated fact(s). In other words assumption #1 > is as nonsensical as it author. Poor Jim flunked all of his philosphy courses at college. But those Catholic colleges are all stuck on scholastic nonsense from the Middle Ages. Logic 101 anyone? >> I used to laugh hilariously at Tom Sherman with his so-called facts. Most >> facts can be argued about endlessly. Sometimes I think only scientists >> can >> ever posit a fact. The rest of us are permanently at sea. > > Diversion duly noted. This issue has nothing to do with Tom Sherman > who is far more logical than Ed Dolan can ever aspire to be. A fact is > a piece of information about circumstances or things that are known to > exist or events that are known to have occurred. Facts reflect > reality. Reality is not debatable. Opinions are debatable. Facts are > not. This is an elementary concept that Dolan had yet to grasp. Poor Jim flunked all of his philosphy courses at college. But those Catholic colleges are all stuck on scholastic nonsense from the Middle Ages. Logic 101 anyone? - Ed Dolan >> >> As far as I know, Tom Sherman is an intelligent man of >> >> good moral character, but he is consistently wrongheaded about most >> >> things >> >> under the sun. It all springs from his liberalism of course. >> > >> > I plea with the man to offer an original though, something the >> > readership has not committed to memory form its many recitations and Ed >> > again provides us with the Tom Sherman assessment for the umpteenth >> > time. How very original. >> >> Jim does not like Tom Sherman anymore than he does me. The lot of a >> stalker >> on Usenet cannot be a pleasant one. > > Diversion duly noted. This issue has nothing to do with Tom Sherman, > but I suppose Ed Dolan will never get over feeling inferior to Tom just > as he will never get over feeling inferior to me. As you can see, Jim never likes the discussion to get off of him. But the fact is that he is not that interesting - and so I will talk about other things than him, in fact, whatever suits my fancy. Note how he is never able to talk about anyone but me. Yes, I know it is a tribute to my Greatness, but he is just so tiresome - don't you think? Poor Jim is nothing but a stalker and he proves it over and over every time he posts a message to this newsgroup. He is truly a pathetic character. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 14 Jan 2007 16:04:30 From: Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168674982.754234.161600@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > [...] > >> Even his good pal Wayne Leggett, the poet of shit and > >> piss and ass and fuck, saw fit not to comment on Jim's modest effort at > >> poetry. > > > > What's you point? Maybe Wayne will comment on this... > > The point is that Wayne Leggett is even more self-absorbed than you are. But > that is the nature of artists like him. Do not ever expect any kind of > response from him. You are extremely lucky to have someone like me here who > will at least pay some attention to you. Oh ... hurt me Ed! Ignore me! Like I need Ed's attention. Who the hell does besides his 20 filines in his cathouse? > > There's a TROLL from Minnesota > > Who's opine matters not one iota > > The objections he's heard > > But he remains undeterred > > > > A librarian by trade > > Whose had never been laid > > His sole intercourse > > Is Usenet discourse > > Sexual intercourse is not about being laid. It is about procreating, i.e., > bringing another human being into the world with all that that entails. Even > though I am not religious, I damn all secularists to Hell and back for their > immorality. It must be hell to hold such a view knowing that a member of the same sex cannot conceive! R E P E T I T I T I O N A L E R T ... The cerebrally impotent HEAD Dolan the GRATE contributes nothing which he hasn't already written countless times before. Not a single, original, creative thought ever emanates from his atrophied brain. Regurgitation of time-worm gibberish is the best effort that this doddering old dolt can muster. So feeble is the aged fool, that he fails to recognize that there's no compelling reason for recycling his monotonous, repetitious drivel. This puerile geriatric's worthless rehashed nonsense is a waste of Internet bandwidth, server CPU cycles and archival disk storage. > > His advice is regurged > > But ignored are his words > > He's deaf to requests > > To abandon his quest > > > > He rants and he raves > >>From the bowels of his cave > > His opinions don't matter > > He is a mad hatter > > > > The day will come to pass > > The troll will breathe his lasts > > Then things will settle down > > In the absence of the clown > > Jim, you will have to work on your punctuation if you expect to hear from > Wayne Leggett. But I must say, I like your verse much better than his. It > just reads better. Apparently Ed, though a retired librarian know nothing of literary liecence. Pershap he never read e.e. cummings, who never even emloyed an upper case "i" > I am thinking of taking all of this to the other cycling newsgroups. It is > just too good to confine it to ARBR. Nay, others deserve to get in on this. > Stay tuned. Oh, they'll just love that. Ed Dolan sure know how to endear himself to the masses. > >> There is no one more tedious than a stalker like Jim McNaa. > > > > Why sure there is ... there is someone who no longer has an original > > thought to offer and regurgitates his same timeworn crap over and over > > again. I don't want to name names, but his initials are E.D. > > I am priily a responder. If you want something original out of me, then > you will have to say something original yourself. Ed Dolan is priily a repetitious "regurgitater". If you want something original out of him, you'll be waiting till hell freezes over. R E P E T I T I T I O N A L E R T ... The cerebrally impotent HEAD Dolan the GRATE contributes nothing which he hasn't already written countless times before. Not a single, original, creative thought ever emanates from his atrophied brain. Regurgitation of time-worm gibberish is the best effort that this doddering old dolt can muster. So feeble is the aged fool, that he fails to recognize that there's no compelling reason for recycling his monotonous, repetitious drivel. This puerile geriatric's worthless rehashed nonsense is a waste of Internet bandwidth, server CPU cycles and archival disk storage. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 15 Jan 2007 02:57:34 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste <jimmymc_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168819470.480218.218190@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1168674982.754234.161600@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: >> [...] >> >> Even his good pal Wayne Leggett, the poet of shit and >> >> piss and ass and fuck, saw fit not to comment on Jim's modest effort >> >> at >> >> poetry. >> > >> > What's you point? Maybe Wayne will comment on this... >> >> The point is that Wayne Leggett is even more self-absorbed than you are. >> But >> that is the nature of artists like him. Do not ever expect any kind of >> response from him. You are extremely lucky to have someone like me here >> who >> will at least pay some attention to you. > > Oh ... hurt me Ed! Ignore me! Like I need Ed's attention. Who the > hell does besides his 20 filines in his cathouse? What? STILL no comment from Wayne Leggett, the poet of shit and piss and ass and fuck, on your modest efforts at verse to date? >> > There's a TROLL from Minnesota >> > Who's opine matters not one iota >> > The objections he's heard >> > But he remains undeterred >> > >> > A librarian by trade >> > Whose had never been laid >> > His sole intercourse >> > Is Usenet discourse >> >> Sexual intercourse is not about being laid. It is about procreating, >> i.e., >> bringing another human being into the world with all that that entails. >> Even >> though I am not religious, I damn all secularists to Hell and back for >> their >> immorality. > > It must be hell to hold such a view knowing that a member of the same > sex cannot conceive! Like all secularists, you talked about getting laid, not about conceiving. Jeff Grippe is another asshole like you who thinks getting laid is what life is all about. The two of you should get together and do a bisexual thing if you can find some whore who will accommodate you. [...] >> > His advice is regurged >> > But ignored are his words >> > He's deaf to requests >> > To abandon his quest >> > >> > He rants and he raves >> >>From the bowels of his cave >> > His opinions don't matter >> > He is a mad hatter >> > >> > The day will come to pass >> > The troll will breathe his lasts >> > Then things will settle down >> > In the absence of the clown >> >> Jim, you will have to work on your punctuation if you expect to hear from >> Wayne Leggett. But I must say, I like your verse much better than his. It >> just reads better. > > Apparently Ed, though a retired librarian[,] know [s] nothing of literary > liecence [license]. Pershap [Perhaps] he never read e.e. cummings, who > never even emloyed [employed] > an upper case "i" [.] First you have to prove that you can write poetry that anyone would want to read before you can break the rules. Cummings in any event was an asshole poet. I thought everyone knew at least that much. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 14 Jan 2007 14:54:42 From: Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168309454.101083.102550@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! > > > Ed, > > > > Top posted for your benefit and enjoyment. To the contrary ... I have > > had much to say about the content of your posts. Your just too thick > > headed to recognize it. Most recently the beer versus win and length > > of stay in Europe and waste of of jet fuel nonsense that you were wrong > > about in both instances. Lately I've had little to say simply because > > there has to be content in order for me to be able to say anything > > about it" and your posts are comprised mostly of recycled garbage. > > What you consider to be content is just repetitious nonsense. Your > > posts are akin to a broken record. > > Repetition is the key to all learning. In the case of this newsgroup, it is > impossible to say anything too often. In fact, what is called for is a heavy > mallet to pound some knowledge into all the thick skulls that seem to reside > here on permanent basis. R E P E T I T I T I O N A L E R T ... The cerebrally impotent HEAD Dolan the GRATE contributes nothing which he hasn't already written countless times before. Not a single, original, creative thought ever emanates from his atrophied brain. Regurgitation of time-worm gibberish is the best effort that this doddering old dolt can muster. So feeble is the aged fool, that he fails to recognize that there's no compelling reason for recycling his monotonous, repetitious drivel. This puerile geriatric's worthless rehashed nonsense is a waste of Internet bandwidth, server CPU cycles and archival disk storage. Unlike you are brains and our memory are not failing us. We've heard it all before som many times that. whether we like it or not, we have committed it all to memory. If you've nothing new to offer us, take leave of ARBR. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message > >> news:12q3ak7ous3m5b7@news.supernews.com... > >> > >> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! > >> > >> >I think we are basically in agreement. > >> > > >> > Since Ed doesn't fight fairly, however, I have chosen not to fight with > >> > him at all. I think that if nobody fought with him at all, his fighting > >> > would diminish. He is very good at pushing people's buttons, however, > >> > so > >> > it is likely that there will always be someone to fight with him. > >> > >> That is a very old saw that someone with whom you disagree does not fight > >> fairly. > >> > >> > Would we be better off without him? Well maybe but the essence of > >> > unmoderated news groups is that anyone with a computer can post to > >> > them. > >> > > >> > Some people have expressed the idea that since there is so much talk > >> > about > >> > and by Ed on topics unrelated to recumbent cycling, that the group > >> > isn't > >> > worth reading. > >> > > >> > Anyone who chooses to can do the following: > >> > 1. post something on-topic (unlike the nonsense that I'm posting now) > >> > 2. filter out most of the off topic stuff > >> > > >> > I understand the frustration that many feel with the overbearing > >> > behavior > >> > and pontification that is Ed but it is my belief that the best way to > >> > minimize it is to ignore it. Arguing with him keeps him going. The > >> > troll > >> > did nothing to diminish him (and he has done nothing to diminish the > >> > troll). Regardless of what you or I do, Ed will be Ed. This is the > >> > reason > >> > that I have been silent. I never stopped reading the group but I knew > >> > that > >> > there was nothing I had to add that was of any value. > >> > >> It is difficult indeed to make much headway when you are up against a > >> gigantic intellect such as mine. > >> > >> > So my advice to you (not that you asked for any) is to ignore Ed's > >> > rants. > >> > Only respond to his on-topic posts and then stay on topic. This group > >> > is > >> > his soapbox. Do what you would do with anyone on a soapbox that you > >> > don't > >> > agree with. Stop listening. Certainly don't try to reason or argue with > >> > someone you know can't be reasoned with. > >> > >> Jim likes to stalk me and never has much to say about any of my content. > >> > >> By the way, I am the soul of reason, but I am not politically correct > >> about > >> anything. I make it a point NOT to be politically correct. You should try > >> it > >> sometime yourself.     Date: 15 Jan 2007 02:40:27 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste <jimmymc_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168815282.814964.202530@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1168309454.101083.102550@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> >> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! >> >> > Ed, >> > >> > Top posted for your benefit and enjoyment. To the contrary ... I have >> > had much to say about the content of your posts. Your just too thick >> > headed to recognize it. Most recently the beer versus win and length >> > of stay in Europe and waste of of jet fuel nonsense that you were wrong >> > about in both instances. Lately I've had little to say simply because >> > there has to be content in order for me to be able to say anything >> > about it" and your posts are comprised mostly of recycled garbage. >> > What you consider to be content is just repetitious nonsense. Your >> > posts are akin to a broken record. >> >> Repetition is the key to all learning. In the case of this newsgroup, it >> is >> impossible to say anything too often. In fact, what is called for is a >> heavy >> mallet to pound some knowledge into all the thick skulls that seem to >> reside >> here on permanent basis. > > R E P E T I T I T I O N A L E R T ... The cerebrally impotent HEAD > Dolan the GRATE contributes nothing which he hasn't already written > countless times before. Not a single, original, creative thought ever > emanates from his atrophied brain. Regurgitation of time-worm > gibberish is the best effort that this doddering old dolt can muster. > So feeble is the aged fool, that he fails to recognize that there's no > compelling reason for recycling his monotonous, repetitious drivel. > This puerile geriatric's worthless rehashed nonsense is a waste of > Internet bandwidth, server CPU cycles and archival disk storage. > > Unlike you are brains and our memory are not failing us. We've heard > it all before som many times that. whether we like it or not, we have > committed it all to memory. If you've nothing new to offer us, take > leave of ARBR. "Repetition is the key to all learning. In the case of this newsgroup, it is impossible to say anything too often. In fact, what is called for is a heavy mallet to pound some knowledge into all the thick skulls that seem to reside here on permanent basis." - Ed Dolan Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 13 Jan 2007 00:18:24 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168638650.263132.73120@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > [...] > >> You have no regard for the group. You never have and you never will, but > >> you > >> should not crow about it. You treat the group like they are just email > >> fodder for you, not a newsgroup with its own interests apart from yours. > >> It > >> all goes to your lack of group awareness. It is a personal failing to be > >> so > >> constituted, not something to be proud of. > >> [...] > > > > I hope that everyone in need of a real good laugh reads your lecture > > about group awareness. This has to be one of you classic posts of all > > time. The erroneous assumption is that you of all people have group > > awareness??? Now, that's got to be the best joke I've heard in a long > > time. Google please archive this post as on off sight contingency > > backup storage. This is just too precious to ever lose. > > The only time you ever show up on the group is to air your personal > grievances with a one-on-one. In a private email, Ed challenged me to do just that and having accepted his challenge he now has regrets and whines about my acceptance ... how very interesting. > And you admit to having no concern about the > group, I did not. Please be so kind as to provide a reference to where I made such and admission or offer a retraction. > and it shows in your every post - ever petty and personal to the > core. Opinion stated as fact. > I have written on many subjects and am always responsive to others. I do not > write for just one other person. I am conscious of many others who may be > reading what I write. That is group awareness, something you have forever > lacked. All you are is a pitiful stalker. You should be ashamed of yourself! Ed can't possibly believe what he wrote. > > I wasn't crowing, just stating the facts. Like your cognitive > > abilities, your reading comprehension skills are on the decline. I > > wrote ... there is far more than ARBR from which to derive meaning in > > my life. > > Let us leave it to others to decide these matters. After all, you are > nothing but a stalker! > > Unlike you, ARBR is not the source from which I garner my > > sense of accomplishment and self-esteem. I regard the group as I > > regard the group and what you have to say about how I regard the group > > is irrelevant. This was my commentary regarding your my healthy sense > > of values and your warped perspective regarding the role that ARBR plays > > in both our lives. > > ARBR plays no role whatsoever in my life other than as a medium for fun and > games. Would that you had a similar attitude about it. To be serious about a > non-serious subject like ARBR ks you as a fool. Opinion stated as fact. > You are just so incredibly dense. I don't know why > > I wast my time one you. There must be something to this ... you can't > > teach an old dog new tricks. > > Compliments like the above will get you nowhere with me. I insist on honest > criticism if you are to have any credibility. Just tell me how Great I am > and forget everything else. That is what I would do if I were you. That is what Ed Doan would do beause Ed Doal is a sham. I wouldn't tell Ed Doaln how great he is because I am not a prevaricator. I tell it like it is not like Ed would like for it to be told and heard. Why is it that Mr. Dolan needs to hear that nonsense any way? Doesn't hear it enough from himself. I guess the sicko just cant' get enough attention. Mommy must have short-changed him th the recognition department. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 13 Jan 2007 03:18:03 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168676303.593071.221920@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1168638650.263132.73120@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: >> [...] >> >> You have no regard for the group. You never have and you never will, >> >> but >> >> you >> >> should not crow about it. You treat the group like they are just email >> >> fodder for you, not a newsgroup with its own interests apart from >> >> yours. >> >> It >> >> all goes to your lack of group awareness. It is a personal failing to >> >> be >> >> so >> >> constituted, not something to be proud of. >> >> [...] >> > >> > I hope that everyone in need of a real good laugh reads your lecture >> > about group awareness. This has to be one of you classic posts of all >> > time. The erroneous assumption is that you of all people have group >> > awareness??? Now, that's got to be the best joke I've heard in a long >> > time. Google please archive this post as on off sight contingency >> > backup storage. This is just too precious to ever lose. >> >> The only time you ever show up on the group is to air your personal >> grievances with a one-on-one. > > In a private email, Ed challenged me to do just that and having > accepted his challenge he now has regrets and whines about my > acceptance ... how very interesting. Nope! Email is one thing and Usenet is something else all together. If you do not have concern for the group, then get the hell out of here! >> And you admit to having no concern about the >> group, > > I did not. Please be so kind as to provide a reference to where I made > such and admission or offer a retraction. This thread is too long for me to ever bother looking up anything. I do recall you having said that you have no concern for the group. You stand condemned out of your own mouth. In any event, your stalking shows that you do not ever consider the welfare of the group. [...] > Opinion stated as fact. The above will get you nowhere. I am not ever stating facts. I am always stating opinion. You need to refute my opinion with your opinion. Any other course is foolhardy. [...] >> You are just so incredibly dense. I don't know why >> > I wast my time one you. There must be something to this ... you can't >> > teach an old dog new tricks. >> >> Compliments like the above will get you nowhere with me. I insist on >> honest >> criticism if you are to have any credibility. Just tell me how Great I am >> and forget everything else. That is what I would do if I were you. > > That is what Ed Doan would do beause Ed Doal is a sham. I wouldn't tell > Ed Doaln how great he is because I am not a prevaricator. I tell it > like it is not like Ed would like for it to be told and heard. Why is > it that Mr. Dolan needs to hear that nonsense any way? Doesn't hear it > enough from himself. I guess the sicko just cant' get enough > attention. Mommy must have short-changed him th the recognition > department. Just tell me how Great I am and call it a day. That is what I would do if I were a pip-squeak like you. No offense, but we can't all be Great. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 12 Jan 2007 23:56:22 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168635891.642358.290280@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1168568217.762327.300360@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > >> > >> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! > > > > ALL WHINERS ABOUT TOP POSTERS ARE CRETINS! > > > >> > Jeff, > >> > > >> > You may have missed a few items, but you certainly made your point and > >> > clearly too. Ed has a few pet topics and opinions that regurgitates > >> > and drones on and on about in his inimitable monotonous style. He > >> > hasn't introduced anything new in ages.. The only thnig that he could > >> > provide that would be refreshing would be his silence. This about sums > >> > things up... > >> > > >> > Ed Gin ................ blah, blah, blah > >> > Tom Sherman ...... blah, blah, blah > >> > Jim McNaa ..... blah, blah, blah > >> > John Meinike ........ blah, blah, blah > >> > Perry Butler .......... blah, blah, blah > >> > Wayne Leggett ..... blah, blah, blah > >> > Jeff Gripe .............. blah, blah, blah > >> > GaryG .................. blah, blah, blah > >> > Bill Baka .............. blah, blah, blah > >> > Little Meow ........... blah, blah, blah > >> > Larry Varney.......... blah, blah, blah > >> > GaryG .................. blah, blah, blah > >> > Bryan Ball ............. blah, blah, blah > >> > Perry Butler ........... blah, blah, blah > >> > Cletus Lee ............. blah, blah, blah > >> > Peter Clinch ........... blah, blah, blah > >> > Chris Foster ........... blah, blah, blah > >> > Tom Keats ............. blah, blah, blah > >> > S Curtiss ............... blah, blah, blah > >> > NYC XYZ ............... blah, blah, blah > >> > Mike Rice .............. blah, blah, blah > >> > Chris Foster ........... blah, blah, blah > >> > Claire Petersky ....... blah, blah, blah > >> > Tamyka Bell ........... blah, blah, blah > >> > Donga .................... blah, blah, blah > >> > Slugger .................. blah, blah, blah > >> > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah > >> > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah > >> > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah > >> > AD NAUSEUM ........ blah, blah, blah > >> > >> Jim is FINALLY getting up to speed on what newsgroups are all about. I > >> have > >> known from the beginning which is why I refuse to take newsgroups > >> seriously. > >> Yes, it is all just blah, blah, blah. But still, some do this better than > >> others. > > > > Opinion noted and disregarded as fallacious and irrelevant. > > I was right on point as usual but you are too self-absorbed to ever see > anyone's point. You even make your own points badly. Speaking of a point, if you part you hair on the other side of your head, you'll cover yours up. Oh, you cant; do that. You're bald. > >> > OK ... you know the drill. Just fill in the "blah, blah, blah". This > >> > should be none too daunting a task since we've heard Dolan's > >> > regurgitated, recycled mantra over and over again. Just how many times > >> > must will Ed put the grist be put through the mill? The beatings > >> > persist regardless of the protest from the dead horse. Is there not a > >> > single original thought remaining in Dolan's antediluvian cerebrum > >> > (aged brain)? Since Ed has run out of material, his departure is now > >> > long overdue and the EXIT sign beckons. > >> > >> I am mainly a responder and it seems I have to respond to the same old > >> shit > >> over and over. I will not put my brain into gear for fools and idiots. > >> Why > >> should I? I was not born yesterday and I suspect none of the rest of you > >> were either. The truth is we all deserve one another. > > > > And the question remains unanswered ... Is there not a single original > > thought remaining in Dolan's antediluvian cerebrum (aged brain)? Let > > me rephrase the question. Is there anything that Ed Dolan would care > > to share with the readership that he hasn't already said (written) a > > 1000 times before? Regardless of the flimsy excuses offered, there is > > no compelling reason for Ed Dolan to regurgitate his same timeworn crap > > over and over again. Repetition does not make something any more true > > and than it was with the first utterance (logical fallacy - argumentum > > ad nauseum). Is Dolan so senile that he does not realize that we don't > > need to hear his fatuous drivel more than once? Unlike Ed, the rest of > > us have a brain that is still in working order and a memory that is > > fully functional. I repeat ... Since Ed Dolan has run out of new > > material and has nothing to more to contribute other than what he has > > already offered more than anyone wants to hear (read), Ed's PROMISED > > departure is now long overdue and the EXIT sign beckons. The > > handwriting is on the wall and it reads ... Take leave of ARBR Mr. > > Dolan. > > It is Jim McNaa who is the biggest whiner this group has ever known. Why > is that? It is because no one will give him what he considers his due. Ed > Gin, Tom Sherman and now Ed Dolan the Great will NOT give Jim what he > considers his due. Diversion duly noted and the question still remains unanswered. > Even his good pal Wayne Leggett, the poet of shit and > piss and ass and fuck, saw fit not to comment on Jim's modest effort at > poetry. What's you point? Maybe Wayne will comment on this... There's a TROLL from Minnesota Who's opine matters not one iota The objections he's heard But he remains undeterred A librarian by trade Whose had never been laid His sole intercourse Is Usenet discourse His advice is regurged But ignored are his words He's deaf to requests To abandon his quest He rants and he raves >From the bowels of his cave His opinions don't matter He is a mad hatter The day will come to pass The troll will breathe his lasts Then things will settle down In the absence of the clown > There is no one more tedious than a stalker like Jim McNaa. Why sure there is ... there is someone who no longer has a original thought to offer and regurgitates his same timeworn crap over and over again. I don't want to name names, but his initials a E.D. > The group is > sick to death of him. He and Wayne Leggett ought to get together and write > poetry to one another since only the two of them appreciate each other. Opinion sated as fact. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 13 Jan 2007 02:20:31 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168674982.754234.161600@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> Even his good pal Wayne Leggett, the poet of shit and >> piss and ass and fuck, saw fit not to comment on Jim's modest effort at >> poetry. > > What's you point? Maybe Wayne will comment on this... The point is that Wayne Leggett is even more self-absorbed than you are. But that is the nature of artists like him. Do not ever expect any kind of response from him. You are extremely lucky to have someone like me here who will at least pay some attention to you. > There's a TROLL from Minnesota > Who's opine matters not one iota > The objections he's heard > But he remains undeterred > > A librarian by trade > Whose had never been laid > His sole intercourse > Is Usenet discourse Sexual intercourse is not about being laid. It is about procreating, i.e., bringing another human being into the world with all that that entails. Even though I am not religious, I damn all secularists to Hell and back for their immorality. > His advice is regurged > But ignored are his words > He's deaf to requests > To abandon his quest > > He rants and he raves >>From the bowels of his cave > His opinions don't matter > He is a mad hatter > > The day will come to pass > The troll will breathe his lasts > Then things will settle down > In the absence of the clown Jim, you will have to work on your punctuation if you expect to hear from Wayne Leggett. But I must say, I like your verse much better than his. It just reads better. I am thinking of taking all of this to the other cycling newsgroups. It is just too good to confine it to ARBR. Nay, others deserve to get in on this. Stay tuned. >> There is no one more tedious than a stalker like Jim McNaa. > > Why sure there is ... there is someone who no longer has an original > thought to offer and regurgitates his same timeworn crap over and over > again. I don't want to name names, but his initials are E.D. I am priily a responder. If you want something original out of me, then you will have to say something original yourself. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 12 Jan 2007 23:44:32 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168636798.962301.145780@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > [...] > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> I have known characters like Jim all of my life. The way to get along > >> with > >> them is to be agreeable. But once you are no longer agreeable, they are > >> quick to take offense. This all springs from a sense of inferiority. I > >> have > >> never had that problem myself. When someone disagrees with me, I simply > >> consider such a person to be wrongheaded and it does not effect what I > >> think > >> about myself in the slightest. Gentlemen, that is what is known as a > >> strong > >> ego. Well, some of us have it and others of us don't. > > > > I have known no characters like Ed Dolan in all my life. He is one of > > a kind, thank God. Readers Ed's self-analysis comes to you form > > someone who previously claimed not to have an ego an now claims to have > > a strong one. The man is a walking, talking contradiction. > > What I think of myself is fixed. The opinions I hold are not. > > What we > > have demonstrate here are a couple of ego defense mechanisms at work > > (rationalization). Ed Doaln has a character flaw that has been paraded > > around newsgroups for years. To admit to being wrong is for him an > > admission of weakness which is in and of itself a weakness. > > I do not mind in the least admitting I am wrong. Could you please supply the readership with an example of when this has ever occurred. I thank you on theri behalf in advance for the forthcoming revelation. > But that does not effect > what I think of myself. > > Rather > > than admit when he is wrong Ed Dolan invokes another ego defense > > mechanism (projection) by asserting that anyone who disagrees with him > > is wrongheaded. > > Opinions can either be right or wrong. Agreed. > As long as I remain convinced I am > right, than those who disagree with me are simply wrongheaded, i.e, their > opinions are wrong. Utter nonsense and a logical fallacy (Non Sequitur). The conclusion does not strictly follow from the premise. If one holds an opinion that is in error then it is logical to assume that those that disagree and hold the opposing opinion are in fact "rightheaded" and the holder of the errant opinion is merely stubbornly "wrongheaded". Believing that an opinion is right has no bearing upon the validity of an opinion held be it one's own or that of another.. An opinion is either right or wrong on its own merit. I doubt that Ed followed this elementary logic. He powers of reasoning are on the decline. The man can't think straight any more. > As far as I know, Tom Sherman is an intelligent man of > good moral character, but he is consistently wrongheaded about most things > under the sun. It all springs from his liberalism of course. I plea with the man to offer an original though, something the readership has not committed to memory form its many recitations and Ed again provides us with the Tom Sherman assessment for the umpteenth time. How very original. > Ed Dolan is pitifully transparent example of one > > suffering from an inferiority complex. For someone of his vintage, Ed > > Doaln is exceptionally immature and insecure. > > Ah, if only it were indeed that easy to brush me off, but you and I both > know that is not true. Unlike you, I am as you have accused me to be ... sincere and state what I believe to be true. > Jim has become nothing but a stalker, the most pathetic creature to be found > on Usenet. He is more to be pitied than condemned. I do feel sorry for him. > He has a weak ego and I have a strong ego. If he also had a strong ego, he > would not feel the need to stalk me. It would never even occur to me to > stalk anyone since I KNOW I am better than anyone else. That is why I am Ed > Dolan the Great - and you aren't! More of the same timeworn copy and paste repetitious crap from the man who can only recycle and is incapable of a solitary original thought. How lame ... how pathetic ... how pitiful.. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 13 Jan 2007 02:42:54 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168674272.400158.155330@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1168636798.962301.145780@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> [...] >> > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> I have known characters like Jim all of my life. The way to get along >> >> with >> >> them is to be agreeable. But once you are no longer agreeable, they >> >> are >> >> quick to take offense. This all springs from a sense of inferiority. I >> >> have >> >> never had that problem myself. When someone disagrees with me, I >> >> simply >> >> consider such a person to be wrongheaded and it does not effect what I >> >> think >> >> about myself in the slightest. Gentlemen, that is what is known as a >> >> strong >> >> ego. Well, some of us have it and others of us don't. >> > >> > I have known no characters like Ed Dolan in all my life. He is one of >> > a kind, thank God. Readers Ed's self-analysis comes to you form >> > someone who previously claimed not to have an ego an now claims to have >> > a strong one. The man is a walking, talking contradiction. >> >> What I think of myself is fixed. The opinions I hold are not. >> >> What we >> > have demonstrate here are a couple of ego defense mechanisms at work >> > (rationalization). Ed Doaln has a character flaw that has been paraded >> > around newsgroups for years. To admit to being wrong is for him an >> > admission of weakness which is in and of itself a weakness. >> >> I do not mind in the least admitting I am wrong. > > Could you please supply the readership with an example of when this has > ever occurred. I thank you on theri behalf in advance for the > forthcoming revelation. So far I have never been wrong about anything, except for trivial details of fact. I stated at the outset many years ago that I am all about opinion and I have nothing but contempt for facts. That is for lesser minds than mine. >> But that does not effect >> what I think of myself. >> >> Rather >> > than admit when he is wrong Ed Dolan invokes another ego defense >> > mechanism (projection) by asserting that anyone who disagrees with him >> > is wrongheaded. >> >> Opinions can either be right or wrong. > > Agreed. > >> As long as I remain convinced I am >> right, than those who disagree with me are simply wrongheaded, i.e, their >> opinions are wrong. > > Utter nonsense and a logical fallacy (Non Sequitur). The conclusion > does not strictly follow from the premise. If one holds an opinion > that is in error then it is logical to assume that those that disagree > and hold the opposing opinion are in fact "rightheaded" and the holder > of the errant opinion is merely stubbornly "wrongheaded". Believing > that an opinion is right has no bearing upon the validity of an opinion > held be it one's own or that of another.. An opinion is either right > or wrong on its own merit. I doubt that Ed followed this elementary > logic. He powers of reasoning are on the decline. The man can't think > straight any more. Opinions are only right or wrong in reference to what I think of them. Opinions in and of themselves are neither right nor wrong until determined by irrefutable fact. Has a fact ever intruded on this newsgroup? I think not! I used to laugh hilariously at Tom Sherman with his so-called facts. Most facts can be argued about endlessly. Sometimes I think only scientists can ever posit a fact. The rest of us are permanently at sea. >> As far as I know, Tom Sherman is an intelligent man of >> good moral character, but he is consistently wrongheaded about most >> things >> under the sun. It all springs from his liberalism of course. > > I plea with the man to offer an original though, something the > readership has not committed to memory form its many recitations and Ed > again provides us with the Tom Sherman assessment for the umpteenth > time. How very original. Jim does not like Tom Sherman anymore than he does me. The lot of a stalker on Usenet cannot be a pleasant one. >> Ed Dolan is pitifully transparent example of one >> > suffering from an inferiority complex. For someone of his vintage, Ed >> > Doaln is exceptionally immature and insecure. >> >> Ah, if only it were indeed that easy to brush me off, but you and I both >> know that is not true. > > Unlike you, I am as you have accused me to be ... sincere and state > what I believe to be true. Nonsense, no one will take a stalker seriously. You are motivated solely by spite as all stalkers are. >> Jim has become nothing but a stalker, the most pathetic creature to be >> found >> on Usenet. He is more to be pitied than condemned. I do feel sorry for >> him. >> He has a weak ego and I have a strong ego. If he also had a strong ego, >> he >> would not feel the need to stalk me. It would never even occur to me to >> stalk anyone since I KNOW I am better than anyone else. That is why I am >> Ed >> Dolan the Great - and you aren't! > > More of the same timeworn copy and paste repetitious crap from the man > who can only recycle and is incapable of a solitary original thought. > How lame ... how pathetic ... how pitiful.. You need to stop stalking. You can only do that with your intellectual inferiors, not with your intellectual superiors. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 12 Jan 2007 14:11:16 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste JimmyMac wrote: > Jeff, > > You may have missed a few items, but you certainly made your point and > clearly too. Ed has a few pet topics and opinions that regurgitates > and drones on and on about in his inimitable monotonous style. He > hasn't introduced anything new in ages.. The only thnig that he could > provide that would be refreshing would be his silence. This about sums > things up... > > Ed Gin ................ blah, blah, blah > Tom Sherman ...... blah, blah, blah > Jim McNaa ..... blah, blah, blah > John Meinike ........ blah, blah, blah > Perry Butler .......... blah, blah, blah > Wayne Leggett ..... blah, blah, blah > Jeff Gripe .............. blah, blah, blah > GaryG .................. blah, blah, blah > Bill Baka .............. blah, blah, blah > Little Meow ........... blah, blah, blah > Larry Varney.......... blah, blah, blah > GaryG .................. blah, blah, blah > Bryan Ball ............. blah, blah, blah > Perry Butler ........... blah, blah, blah > Cletus Lee ............. blah, blah, blah > Peter Clinch ........... blah, blah, blah > Chris Foster ........... blah, blah, blah > Tom Keats ............. blah, blah, blah > S Curtiss ............... blah, blah, blah > NYC XYZ ............... blah, blah, blah > Mike Rice .............. blah, blah, blah > Chris Foster ........... blah, blah, blah > Claire Petersky ....... blah, blah, blah > Tamyka Bell ........... blah, blah, blah > Donga .................... blah, blah, blah > Slugger .................. blah, blah, blah > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah > AD NAUSEUM ........ blah, blah, blah Cletus Lee .. forgot to include you. Don't feel slighted. Consider yourself one of the etcs > OK ... you know the drill. Just fill in the "blah, blah, blah". This > should be none too daunting a task since we've heard Dolan's > regurgitated, recycled mantra over and over again. Just how many times > must will Ed put the grist be put through the mill? The beatings > persist regardless of the protest from the dead horse. Is there not a > single original thought remaining in Dolan's antediluvian cerebrum > (aged brain)? Since Ed has run out of material, his departure is now > long overdue and the EXIT sign beckons. > > Jim McNaa > > Jeff Grippe wrote: > > > More was expected of Meinecke and Sherman since they were the stalwarts of > > > this newsgroup who pretended to have our best interests at heart. However, > > > they have ever proven themselves to be cowards for not speaking up. I > > > reserve my greatest contempt for them. I think they are both gone for good > > > now - and it is good riddance to them! > > > > > > > We are all individuals here Ed. This is not a church group or some type of > > social organization that exists for some other purpose than to amuse those > > who post here. Maybe those two are simply not amused by you or the troll. I > > find myself oddly amused by both while at the same time wishing that both > > would go away. It is fine with me if you express your opinion on your pet > > topic when and if they come up. But otherwise, I already know that you think > > women should act like the blessed virgin y, that we should all abstain > > from sex unless engaged in procreation, that liberals and Jews (especially > > New York Jews) are a waste of natural resources, that the French are awful, > > and that the president is wonderful. Did I miss anything? If I did then you > > will surely remind me. Good luck Ed. > > > > Jeff   Date: 12 Jan 2007 13:50:50 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168568934.598353.106320@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1168309894.782822.125850@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> > > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> >> Ed Gin does not bother me nearly so much as all those cowards who will > >> >> not > >> >> come out into the open and take a stand. Why do Jon Meinecke and Tom > >> >> Sherman > >> >> ALWAYS take a powder when the ST (SPAMMING TROLL) shows up. It is the > >> >> fecklessness of ARBR that drives me to distraction. > >> > > >> > What Meinecke and Sherman do or don't do is of little concern to me. I > >> > doubt that Jeff would consider himself to be your ally, but he will > >> > have to speak for himself on that account. I don't have any cause of > >> > any consequence here, so I'm not looking for allies ... don't need > >> > any. I for one will never consider you to be my ally nor I to be > >> > yours. > >> > > >> > Jim McNaa > >> > >> The reason why it does not concern you is that you have never had any > >> regard > >> for the group. > > > > Opinion stated as fact. Unlike you, I contend that there is far more > > than ARBR from which to derive meaning in my life. Unlike you, ARBR is > > not the source from which I garner my sense of accomplishment and > > self-esteem. I regard the group as I regard the group and what you > > have to say about how I regard the group is irrelevant. What I do not > > have any regard for you is the person who has earned my lack of regard > > and that person is you. > > You have no regard for the group. You never have and you never will, but you > should not crow about it. You treat the group like they are just email > fodder for you, not a newsgroup with its own interests apart from yours. It > all goes to your lack of group awareness. It is a personal failing to be so > constituted, not something to be proud of. > [...] I hope that everyone in need of a real good laugh reads your lecture about group awareness. This has to be one of you classic posts of all time. The erroneous assumption is that you of all people have group awareness??? Now, that's got to be the best joke I've heard in a long time. Google please archive this post as on off sight contingency backup storage. This is just too precious to ever lose. I wasn't crowing, just stating the facts. Like your cognitive abilities, your reading comprehension skills are on the decline. I wrote ... there is far more than ARBR from which to derive meaning in my life. Unlike you, ARBR is not the source from which I garner my sense of accomplishment and self-esteem. I regard the group as I regard the group and what you have to say about how I regard the group is irrelevant. This was my commentary regarding your my healthy sense of value and your warped perspective regarding the role that ARBR plays in both our lives. You are just so incredibly dense. I don't know why I wast my time one you. There must be something to this ... you can't teach an old dog new tricks. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 12 Jan 2007 22:34:49 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168638650.263132.73120@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> You have no regard for the group. You never have and you never will, but >> you >> should not crow about it. You treat the group like they are just email >> fodder for you, not a newsgroup with its own interests apart from yours. >> It >> all goes to your lack of group awareness. It is a personal failing to be >> so >> constituted, not something to be proud of. >> [...] > > I hope that everyone in need of a real good laugh reads your lecture > about group awareness. This has to be one of you classic posts of all > time. The erroneous assumption is that you of all people have group > awareness??? Now, that's got to be the best joke I've heard in a long > time. Google please archive this post as on off sight contingency > backup storage. This is just too precious to ever lose. The only time you ever show up on the group is to air your personal grievances with a one-on-one. And you admit to having no concern about the group, and it shows in your every post - ever petty and personal to the core. I have written on many subjects and am always responsive to others. I do not write for just one other person. I am conscious of many others who may be reading what I write. That is group awareness, something you have forever lacked. All you are is a pitiful stalker. You should be ashamed of yourself! > I wasn't crowing, just stating the facts. Like your cognitive > abilities, your reading comprehension skills are on the decline. I > wrote ... there is far more than ARBR from which to derive meaning in > my life. Let us leave it to others to decide these matters. After all, you are nothing but a stalker! Unlike you, ARBR is not the source from which I garner my > sense of accomplishment and self-esteem. I regard the group as I > regard the group and what you have to say about how I regard the group > is irrelevant. This was my commentary regarding your my healthy sense > of value and your warped perspective regarding the role that ARBR plays > in both our lives. ARBR plays no role whatsoever in my life other than as a medium for fun and games. Would that you had a similar attitude about it. To be serious about a non-serious subject like ARBR ks you as a fool. You are just so incredibly dense. I don't know why > I wast my time one you. There must be something to this ... you can't > teach an old dog new tricks. Compliments like the above will get you nowhere with me. I insist on honest criticism if you are to have any credibility. Just tell me how Great I am and forget everything else. That is what I would do if I were you. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 12 Jan 2007 13:20:00 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168567433.682881.312410@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message > >> news:12q6380382st214@news.supernews.com... > >> > >> Jim McNaa wrote: > >> > >> >> What Meinecke and Sherman do or don't do is of little concern to me. > >> >> I > >> >> doubt that Jeff would consider himself to be your ally, but he will > >> >> have to speak for himself on that account. I don't have any cause of > >> >> any consequence here, so I'm not looking for allies ... don't need > >> >> any. I for one will never consider you to be my ally nor I to be > >> >> yours. > >> >> > >> >> Jim McNaa > >> > > >> > Ally would not be the right term. I'm really trying not to be on any > >> > side > >> > but rather to express the point of view that I hold. > >> > >> Spoken like a true Jew. Yes, don't take sides. That way everyone will > >> hate > >> you. > >> > >> > Ed seems to think that there is something that others could do to put > >> > down > >> > the other troll. That is more fighting fire with fire and as I said > >> > before, you just end up with a bigger fire. > >> > >> I pretty much agree with Jeff here. There is nothing to be done about a > >> newgroup that is not moderated. Still, I expect others to speak up when > >> things get too rambunctious. Jim only speaks up when he gets personally > >> attacked. He could care less about the group. > >> > >> > Meinecke and Sherman are st to stay out of this discussion. This may > >> > be > >> > one of the few times when I agree with Ed's characterization of me as > >> > an > >> > idiot (remember I said I wasn't going to discuss this anymore?) > >> > >> More was expected of Meinecke and Sherman since they were the stalwarts > >> of > >> this newsgroup who pretended to have our best interests at heart. > >> However, > >> they have ever proven themselves to be cowards for not speaking up. I > >> reserve my greatest contempt for them. I think they are both gone for > >> good > >> now - and it is good riddance to them! > >> > >> > Anyway, I agree with you. I'm not looking for allies either. I'm not on > >> > a > >> > side. > >> > >> You want to tread very carefully around Jim's delicate ego. It is easily > >> bruised and then you will learn what a child he can be. > > > > Whatever. I haven't a problem with anything that Jeff has had to say. > > You on the other hand have always been another matter altogether. > > I have known characters like Jim all of my life. The way to get along with > them is to be agreeable. But once you are no longer agreeable, they are > quick to take offense. This all springs from a sense of inferiority. I have > never had that problem myself. When someone disagrees with me, I simply > consider such a person to be wrongheaded and it does not effect what I think > about myself in the slightest. Gentlemen, that is what is known as a strong > ego. Well, some of us have it and others of us don't. I have known no characters like Ed Dolan in all my life. He is one of a kind, thank God. Readers Ed's self-analysis comes to you form someone who previously claimed not to have an ego an now claims to have a strong one. The man is a walking, talking contradiction. What we have demonstrate here are a couple of ego defense mechanisms at work (rationalization). Ed Doaln has a character flaw that has been paraded around newsgroups for years. To admit to being wrong is for him an admission of weakness which is in and of itself a weakness. Rather than admit when he is wrong Ed Dolan invokes another ego defense mechanism (projection) by asserting that anyone who disagrees with him is wrongheaded. Ed Dolan is pitifully transparent example of one suffering from an inferiority complex. For someone of his vintage, Ed Doaln is exceptionally immature and insecure. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 12 Jan 2007 22:06:44 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168636798.962301.145780@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... [...] > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> I have known characters like Jim all of my life. The way to get along >> with >> them is to be agreeable. But once you are no longer agreeable, they are >> quick to take offense. This all springs from a sense of inferiority. I >> have >> never had that problem myself. When someone disagrees with me, I simply >> consider such a person to be wrongheaded and it does not effect what I >> think >> about myself in the slightest. Gentlemen, that is what is known as a >> strong >> ego. Well, some of us have it and others of us don't. > > I have known no characters like Ed Dolan in all my life. He is one of > a kind, thank God. Readers Ed's self-analysis comes to you form > someone who previously claimed not to have an ego an now claims to have > a strong one. The man is a walking, talking contradiction. What I think of myself is fixed. The opinions I hold are not. What we > have demonstrate here are a couple of ego defense mechanisms at work > (rationalization). Ed Doaln has a character flaw that has been paraded > around newsgroups for years. To admit to being wrong is for him an > admission of weakness which is in and of itself a weakness. I do not mind in the least admitting I am wrong. But that does not effect what I think of myself. Rather > than admit when he is wrong Ed Dolan invokes another ego defense > mechanism (projection) by asserting that anyone who disagrees with him > is wrongheaded. Opinions can either be right or wrong. As long as I remain convinced I am right, than those who disagree with me are simply wrongheaded, i.e, their opinions are wrong. As far as I know, Tom Sherman is an intelligent man of good moral character, but he is consistently wrongheaded about most things under the sun. It all springs from his liberalism of course. Ed Dolan is pitifully transparent example of one > suffering from an inferiority complex. For someone of his vintage, Ed > Doaln is exceptionally immature and insecure. Ah, if only it were indeed that easy to brush me off, but you and I both know that is not true. Jim has become nothing but a stalker, the most pathetic creature to be found on Usenet. He is more to be pitied than condemned. I do feel sorry for him. He has a weak ego and I have a strong ego. If he also had a strong ego, he would not feel the need to stalk me. It would never even occur to me to stalk anyone since I KNOW I am better than anyone else. That is why I am Ed Dolan the Great - and you aren't! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 12 Jan 2007 13:04:55 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168568217.762327.300360@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! ALL WHINERS ABOUT TOP POSTERS ARE CRETINS! > > Jeff, > > > > You may have missed a few items, but you certainly made your point and > > clearly too. Ed has a few pet topics and opinions that regurgitates > > and drones on and on about in his inimitable monotonous style. He > > hasn't introduced anything new in ages.. The only thnig that he could > > provide that would be refreshing would be his silence. This about sums > > things up... > > > > Ed Gin ................ blah, blah, blah > > Tom Sherman ...... blah, blah, blah > > Jim McNaa ..... blah, blah, blah > > John Meinike ........ blah, blah, blah > > Perry Butler .......... blah, blah, blah > > Wayne Leggett ..... blah, blah, blah > > Jeff Gripe .............. blah, blah, blah > > GaryG .................. blah, blah, blah > > Bill Baka .............. blah, blah, blah > > Little Meow ........... blah, blah, blah > > Larry Varney.......... blah, blah, blah > > GaryG .................. blah, blah, blah > > Bryan Ball ............. blah, blah, blah > > Perry Butler ........... blah, blah, blah > > Cletus Lee ............. blah, blah, blah > > Peter Clinch ........... blah, blah, blah > > Chris Foster ........... blah, blah, blah > > Tom Keats ............. blah, blah, blah > > S Curtiss ............... blah, blah, blah > > NYC XYZ ............... blah, blah, blah > > Mike Rice .............. blah, blah, blah > > Chris Foster ........... blah, blah, blah > > Claire Petersky ....... blah, blah, blah > > Tamyka Bell ........... blah, blah, blah > > Donga .................... blah, blah, blah > > Slugger .................. blah, blah, blah > > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah > > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah > > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah > > AD NAUSEUM ........ blah, blah, blah > > Jim is FINALLY getting up to speed on what newsgroups are all about. I have > known from the beginning which is why I refuse to take newsgroups seriously. > Yes, it is all just blah, blah, blah. But still, some do this better than > others. Opinion noted and disregarded as fallacious and irrelevant. > > OK ... you know the drill. Just fill in the "blah, blah, blah". This > > should be none too daunting a task since we've heard Dolan's > > regurgitated, recycled mantra over and over again. Just how many times > > must will Ed put the grist be put through the mill? The beatings > > persist regardless of the protest from the dead horse. Is there not a > > single original thought remaining in Dolan's antediluvian cerebrum > > (aged brain)? Since Ed has run out of material, his departure is now > > long overdue and the EXIT sign beckons. > > I am mainly a responder and it seems I have to respond to the same old shit > over and over. I will not put my brain into gear for fools and idiots. Why > should I? I was not born yesterday and I suspect none of the rest of you > were either. The truth is we all deserve one another. And the question remains unanswered ... Is there not a single original thought remaining in Dolan's antediluvian cerebrum (aged brain)? Let me rephrase the question. Is there anything that Ed Dolan would care to share with the readership that he hasn't already said (written) a 1000 times before? Regardless of the flimsy excuses offered, there is no compelling reason for Ed Dolan to regurgitate his same timeworn crap over and over again. Repetition does not make something any more true and than it was with the first utterance (logical fallacy - argumentum ad nauseum). Is Dolan so senile that he does not realize that we don't need to hear his fatuous drivel more than once? Unlike Ed, the rest of us have a brain that is still in working order and a memory that is fully functional. I repeat ... Since Ed Dolan has run out of new material and has nothing to more to contribute other than what he has already offered more than anyone wants to hear (read), Ed's PROMISED departure is now long overdue and the EXIT sign beckons. The handwriting is on the wall and it reads ... Take leave of ARBR Mr. Dolan. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > > > > Jeff Grippe wrote: > >> > More was expected of Meinecke and Sherman since they were the stalwarts > >> > of > >> > this newsgroup who pretended to have our best interests at heart. > >> > However, > >> > they have ever proven themselves to be cowards for not speaking up. I > >> > reserve my greatest contempt for them. I think they are both gone for > >> > good > >> > now - and it is good riddance to them! > >> > > >> > >> We are all individuals here Ed. This is not a church group or some type > >> of > >> social organization that exists for some other purpose than to amuse > >> those > >> who post here. Maybe those two are simply not amused by you or the troll. > >> I > >> find myself oddly amused by both while at the same time wishing that both > >> would go away. It is fine with me if you express your opinion on your pet > >> topic when and if they come up. But otherwise, I already know that you > >> think > >> women should act like the blessed virgin y, that we should all abstain > >> from sex unless engaged in procreation, that liberals and Jews > >> (especially > >> New York Jews) are a waste of natural resources, that the French are > >> awful, > >> and that the president is wonderful. Did I miss anything? If I did then > >> you > >> will surely remind me. Good luck Ed.     Date: 12 Jan 2007 21:45:10 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168635891.642358.290280@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1168568217.762327.300360@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... >> >> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! > > ALL WHINERS ABOUT TOP POSTERS ARE CRETINS! > >> > Jeff, >> > >> > You may have missed a few items, but you certainly made your point and >> > clearly too. Ed has a few pet topics and opinions that regurgitates >> > and drones on and on about in his inimitable monotonous style. He >> > hasn't introduced anything new in ages.. The only thnig that he could >> > provide that would be refreshing would be his silence. This about sums >> > things up... >> > >> > Ed Gin ................ blah, blah, blah >> > Tom Sherman ...... blah, blah, blah >> > Jim McNaa ..... blah, blah, blah >> > John Meinike ........ blah, blah, blah >> > Perry Butler .......... blah, blah, blah >> > Wayne Leggett ..... blah, blah, blah >> > Jeff Gripe .............. blah, blah, blah >> > GaryG .................. blah, blah, blah >> > Bill Baka .............. blah, blah, blah >> > Little Meow ........... blah, blah, blah >> > Larry Varney.......... blah, blah, blah >> > GaryG .................. blah, blah, blah >> > Bryan Ball ............. blah, blah, blah >> > Perry Butler ........... blah, blah, blah >> > Cletus Lee ............. blah, blah, blah >> > Peter Clinch ........... blah, blah, blah >> > Chris Foster ........... blah, blah, blah >> > Tom Keats ............. blah, blah, blah >> > S Curtiss ............... blah, blah, blah >> > NYC XYZ ............... blah, blah, blah >> > Mike Rice .............. blah, blah, blah >> > Chris Foster ........... blah, blah, blah >> > Claire Petersky ....... blah, blah, blah >> > Tamyka Bell ........... blah, blah, blah >> > Donga .................... blah, blah, blah >> > Slugger .................. blah, blah, blah >> > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah >> > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah >> > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah >> > AD NAUSEUM ........ blah, blah, blah >> >> Jim is FINALLY getting up to speed on what newsgroups are all about. I >> have >> known from the beginning which is why I refuse to take newsgroups >> seriously. >> Yes, it is all just blah, blah, blah. But still, some do this better than >> others. > > Opinion noted and disregarded as fallacious and irrelevant. I was right on point as usual but you are too self-absorbed to ever see anyone's point. You even make your own points badly. >> > OK ... you know the drill. Just fill in the "blah, blah, blah". This >> > should be none too daunting a task since we've heard Dolan's >> > regurgitated, recycled mantra over and over again. Just how many times >> > must will Ed put the grist be put through the mill? The beatings >> > persist regardless of the protest from the dead horse. Is there not a >> > single original thought remaining in Dolan's antediluvian cerebrum >> > (aged brain)? Since Ed has run out of material, his departure is now >> > long overdue and the EXIT sign beckons. >> >> I am mainly a responder and it seems I have to respond to the same old >> shit >> over and over. I will not put my brain into gear for fools and idiots. >> Why >> should I? I was not born yesterday and I suspect none of the rest of you >> were either. The truth is we all deserve one another. > > And the question remains unanswered ... Is there not a single original > thought remaining in Dolan's antediluvian cerebrum (aged brain)? Let > me rephrase the question. Is there anything that Ed Dolan would care > to share with the readership that he hasn't already said (written) a > 1000 times before? Regardless of the flimsy excuses offered, there is > no compelling reason for Ed Dolan to regurgitate his same timeworn crap > over and over again. Repetition does not make something any more true > and than it was with the first utterance (logical fallacy - argumentum > ad nauseum). Is Dolan so senile that he does not realize that we don't > need to hear his fatuous drivel more than once? Unlike Ed, the rest of > us have a brain that is still in working order and a memory that is > fully functional. I repeat ... Since Ed Dolan has run out of new > material and has nothing to more to contribute other than what he has > already offered more than anyone wants to hear (read), Ed's PROMISED > departure is now long overdue and the EXIT sign beckons. The > handwriting is on the wall and it reads ... Take leave of ARBR Mr. > Dolan. It is Jim McNaa who is the biggest whiner this group has ever known. Why is that? It is because no one will give him what he considers his due. Ed Gin, Tom Sherman and now Ed Dolan the Great will NOT give Jim what he considers his due. Even his good pal Wayne Leggett, the poet of shit and piss and ass and fuck, saw fit not to comment on Jim's modest effort at poetry. There is no one more tedious than a stalker like Jim McNaa. The group is sick to death of him. He and Wayne Leggett ought to get together and write poetry to one another since only the two of them appreciate each other. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 11 Jan 2007 18:28:54 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168309894.782822.125850@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> Ed Gin does not bother me nearly so much as all those cowards who will > >> not > >> come out into the open and take a stand. Why do Jon Meinecke and Tom > >> Sherman > >> ALWAYS take a powder when the ST (SPAMMING TROLL) shows up. It is the > >> fecklessness of ARBR that drives me to distraction. > > > > What Meinecke and Sherman do or don't do is of little concern to me. I > > doubt that Jeff would consider himself to be your ally, but he will > > have to speak for himself on that account. I don't have any cause of > > any consequence here, so I'm not looking for allies ... don't need > > any. I for one will never consider you to be my ally nor I to be > > yours. > > > > Jim McNaa > > The reason why it does not concern you is that you have never had any regard > for the group. Opinion stated as fact. Unlike you, I contend that there is far more than ARBR from which to derive meaning in my life. Unlike you, ARBR is not the source from which I garners my sense of accomplishment and self-esteem. I regard the group as I regard the group and what you have to say about how I regard the group is irrelevant. What I do not have any regard for you is the person who has earned my lack of regard and that person is you. > You are ever only concerned with you own petty affairs. In > fact, you are petty in every way imaginable. You rigid old fart, are you actually pretending to be possessed of an imagination? How laughable. > That is why all you can ever be > to this group is just a pitiful stalker. Sticks and stones... > Jeff Grippe is hundred times more honorable than you. Be careful now. You just said something nice about someone and he's a liberal, New York Jew no less. > If I haven't said it before, allow me to say it now. There is something > wrong with the way your brain works. Not that it much matters, but actually you have said that once before and you'd remember if your brain worked properly. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 12 Jan 2007 02:49:07 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168568934.598353.106320@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1168309894.782822.125850@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: >> >> Ed Gin does not bother me nearly so much as all those cowards who will >> >> not >> >> come out into the open and take a stand. Why do Jon Meinecke and Tom >> >> Sherman >> >> ALWAYS take a powder when the ST (SPAMMING TROLL) shows up. It is the >> >> fecklessness of ARBR that drives me to distraction. >> > >> > What Meinecke and Sherman do or don't do is of little concern to me. I >> > doubt that Jeff would consider himself to be your ally, but he will >> > have to speak for himself on that account. I don't have any cause of >> > any consequence here, so I'm not looking for allies ... don't need >> > any. I for one will never consider you to be my ally nor I to be >> > yours. >> > >> > Jim McNaa >> >> The reason why it does not concern you is that you have never had any >> regard >> for the group. > > Opinion stated as fact. Unlike you, I contend that there is far more > than ARBR from which to derive meaning in my life. Unlike you, ARBR is > not the source from which I garners my sense of accomplishment and > self-esteem. I regard the group as I regard the group and what you > have to say about how I regard the group is irrelevant. What I do not > have any regard for you is the person who has earned my lack of regard > and that person is you. You have no regard for the group. You never have and you never will, but you should not crow about it. You treat the group like they are just email fodder for you, not a newsgroup with its own interests apart from yours. It all goes to your lack of group awareness. It is a personal failing to be so constituted, not something to be proud of. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 11 Jan 2007 18:16:57 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Jeff, You may have missed a few items, but you certainly made your point and clearly too. Ed has a few pet topics and opinions that regurgitates and drones on and on about in his inimitable monotonous style. He hasn't introduced anything new in ages.. The only thnig that he could provide that would be refreshing would be his silence. This about sums things up... Ed Gin ................ blah, blah, blah Tom Sherman ...... blah, blah, blah Jim McNaa ..... blah, blah, blah John Meinike ........ blah, blah, blah Perry Butler .......... blah, blah, blah Wayne Leggett ..... blah, blah, blah Jeff Gripe .............. blah, blah, blah GaryG .................. blah, blah, blah Bill Baka .............. blah, blah, blah Little Meow ........... blah, blah, blah Larry Varney.......... blah, blah, blah GaryG .................. blah, blah, blah Bryan Ball ............. blah, blah, blah Perry Butler ........... blah, blah, blah Cletus Lee ............. blah, blah, blah Peter Clinch ........... blah, blah, blah Chris Foster ........... blah, blah, blah Tom Keats ............. blah, blah, blah S Curtiss ............... blah, blah, blah NYC XYZ ............... blah, blah, blah Mike Rice .............. blah, blah, blah Chris Foster ........... blah, blah, blah Claire Petersky ....... blah, blah, blah Tamyka Bell ........... blah, blah, blah Donga .................... blah, blah, blah Slugger .................. blah, blah, blah etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah AD NAUSEUM ........ blah, blah, blah OK ... you know the drill. Just fill in the "blah, blah, blah". This should be none too daunting a task since we've heard Dolan's regurgitated, recycled mantra over and over again. Just how many times must will Ed put the grist be put through the mill? The beatings persist regardless of the protest from the dead horse. Is there not a single original thought remaining in Dolan's antediluvian cerebrum (aged brain)? Since Ed has run out of material, his departure is now long overdue and the EXIT sign beckons. Jim McNaa Jeff Grippe wrote: > > More was expected of Meinecke and Sherman since they were the stalwarts of > > this newsgroup who pretended to have our best interests at heart. However, > > they have ever proven themselves to be cowards for not speaking up. I > > reserve my greatest contempt for them. I think they are both gone for good > > now - and it is good riddance to them! > > > > We are all individuals here Ed. This is not a church group or some type of > social organization that exists for some other purpose than to amuse those > who post here. Maybe those two are simply not amused by you or the troll. I > find myself oddly amused by both while at the same time wishing that both > would go away. It is fine with me if you express your opinion on your pet > topic when and if they come up. But otherwise, I already know that you think > women should act like the blessed virgin y, that we should all abstain > from sex unless engaged in procreation, that liberals and Jews (especially > New York Jews) are a waste of natural resources, that the French are awful, > and that the president is wonderful. Did I miss anything? If I did then you > will surely remind me. Good luck Ed. > > Jeff     Date: 12 Jan 2007 02:28:01 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168568217.762327.300360@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! > Jeff, > > You may have missed a few items, but you certainly made your point and > clearly too. Ed has a few pet topics and opinions that regurgitates > and drones on and on about in his inimitable monotonous style. He > hasn't introduced anything new in ages.. The only thnig that he could > provide that would be refreshing would be his silence. This about sums > things up... > > Ed Gin ................ blah, blah, blah > Tom Sherman ...... blah, blah, blah > Jim McNaa ..... blah, blah, blah > John Meinike ........ blah, blah, blah > Perry Butler .......... blah, blah, blah > Wayne Leggett ..... blah, blah, blah > Jeff Gripe .............. blah, blah, blah > GaryG .................. blah, blah, blah > Bill Baka .............. blah, blah, blah > Little Meow ........... blah, blah, blah > Larry Varney.......... blah, blah, blah > GaryG .................. blah, blah, blah > Bryan Ball ............. blah, blah, blah > Perry Butler ........... blah, blah, blah > Cletus Lee ............. blah, blah, blah > Peter Clinch ........... blah, blah, blah > Chris Foster ........... blah, blah, blah > Tom Keats ............. blah, blah, blah > S Curtiss ............... blah, blah, blah > NYC XYZ ............... blah, blah, blah > Mike Rice .............. blah, blah, blah > Chris Foster ........... blah, blah, blah > Claire Petersky ....... blah, blah, blah > Tamyka Bell ........... blah, blah, blah > Donga .................... blah, blah, blah > Slugger .................. blah, blah, blah > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah > etc. ........................ blah, blah, blah > AD NAUSEUM ........ blah, blah, blah Jim is FINALLY getting up to speed on what newsgroups are all about. I have known from the beginning which is why I refuse to take newsgroups seriously. Yes, it is all just blah, blah, blah. But still, some do this better than others. > OK ... you know the drill. Just fill in the "blah, blah, blah". This > should be none too daunting a task since we've heard Dolan's > regurgitated, recycled mantra over and over again. Just how many times > must will Ed put the grist be put through the mill? The beatings > persist regardless of the protest from the dead horse. Is there not a > single original thought remaining in Dolan's antediluvian cerebrum > (aged brain)? Since Ed has run out of material, his departure is now > long overdue and the EXIT sign beckons. I am mainly a responder and it seems I have to respond to the same old shit over and over. I will not put my brain into gear for fools and idiots. Why should I? I was not born yesterday and I suspect none of the rest of you were either. The truth is we all deserve one another. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > Jeff Grippe wrote: >> > More was expected of Meinecke and Sherman since they were the stalwarts >> > of >> > this newsgroup who pretended to have our best interests at heart. >> > However, >> > they have ever proven themselves to be cowards for not speaking up. I >> > reserve my greatest contempt for them. I think they are both gone for >> > good >> > now - and it is good riddance to them! >> > >> >> We are all individuals here Ed. This is not a church group or some type >> of >> social organization that exists for some other purpose than to amuse >> those >> who post here. Maybe those two are simply not amused by you or the troll. >> I >> find myself oddly amused by both while at the same time wishing that both >> would go away. It is fine with me if you express your opinion on your pet >> topic when and if they come up. But otherwise, I already know that you >> think >> women should act like the blessed virgin y, that we should all abstain >> from sex unless engaged in procreation, that liberals and Jews >> (especially >> New York Jews) are a waste of natural resources, that the French are >> awful, >> and that the president is wonderful. Did I miss anything? If I did then >> you >> will surely remind me. Good luck Ed.   Date: 11 Jan 2007 18:03:53 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message > news:12q6380382st214@news.supernews.com... > > Jim McNaa wrote: > > >> What Meinecke and Sherman do or don't do is of little concern to me. I > >> doubt that Jeff would consider himself to be your ally, but he will > >> have to speak for himself on that account. I don't have any cause of > >> any consequence here, so I'm not looking for allies ... don't need > >> any. I for one will never consider you to be my ally nor I to be > >> yours. > >> > >> Jim McNaa > > > > Ally would not be the right term. I'm really trying not to be on any side > > but rather to express the point of view that I hold. > > Spoken like a true Jew. Yes, don't take sides. That way everyone will hate > you. > > > Ed seems to think that there is something that others could do to put down > > the other troll. That is more fighting fire with fire and as I said > > before, you just end up with a bigger fire. > > I pretty much agree with Jeff here. There is nothing to be done about a > newgroup that is not moderated. Still, I expect others to speak up when > things get too rambunctious. Jim only speaks up when he gets personally > attacked. He could care less about the group. > > > Meinecke and Sherman are st to stay out of this discussion. This may be > > one of the few times when I agree with Ed's characterization of me as an > > idiot (remember I said I wasn't going to discuss this anymore?) > > More was expected of Meinecke and Sherman since they were the stalwarts of > this newsgroup who pretended to have our best interests at heart. However, > they have ever proven themselves to be cowards for not speaking up. I > reserve my greatest contempt for them. I think they are both gone for good > now - and it is good riddance to them! > > > Anyway, I agree with you. I'm not looking for allies either. I'm not on a > > side. > > You want to tread very carefully around Jim's delicate ego. It is easily > bruised and then you will learn what a child he can be. Whatever. I haven't a problem with anything that Jeff has had to say. You on the other hand have always been another matter altogether. Jim > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 12 Jan 2007 02:40:03 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168567433.682881.312410@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message >> news:12q6380382st214@news.supernews.com... >> >> Jim McNaa wrote: >> >> >> What Meinecke and Sherman do or don't do is of little concern to me. >> >> I >> >> doubt that Jeff would consider himself to be your ally, but he will >> >> have to speak for himself on that account. I don't have any cause of >> >> any consequence here, so I'm not looking for allies ... don't need >> >> any. I for one will never consider you to be my ally nor I to be >> >> yours. >> >> >> >> Jim McNaa >> > >> > Ally would not be the right term. I'm really trying not to be on any >> > side >> > but rather to express the point of view that I hold. >> >> Spoken like a true Jew. Yes, don't take sides. That way everyone will >> hate >> you. >> >> > Ed seems to think that there is something that others could do to put >> > down >> > the other troll. That is more fighting fire with fire and as I said >> > before, you just end up with a bigger fire. >> >> I pretty much agree with Jeff here. There is nothing to be done about a >> newgroup that is not moderated. Still, I expect others to speak up when >> things get too rambunctious. Jim only speaks up when he gets personally >> attacked. He could care less about the group. >> >> > Meinecke and Sherman are st to stay out of this discussion. This may >> > be >> > one of the few times when I agree with Ed's characterization of me as >> > an >> > idiot (remember I said I wasn't going to discuss this anymore?) >> >> More was expected of Meinecke and Sherman since they were the stalwarts >> of >> this newsgroup who pretended to have our best interests at heart. >> However, >> they have ever proven themselves to be cowards for not speaking up. I >> reserve my greatest contempt for them. I think they are both gone for >> good >> now - and it is good riddance to them! >> >> > Anyway, I agree with you. I'm not looking for allies either. I'm not on >> > a >> > side. >> >> You want to tread very carefully around Jim's delicate ego. It is easily >> bruised and then you will learn what a child he can be. > > Whatever. I haven't a problem with anything that Jeff has had to say. > You on the other hand have always been another matter altogether. I have known characters like Jim all of my life. The way to get along with them is to be agreeable. But once you are no longer agreeable, they are quick to take offense. This all springs from a sense of inferiority. I have never had that problem myself. When someone disagrees with me, I simply consider such a person to be wrongheaded and it does not effect what I think about myself in the slightest. Gentlemen, that is what is known as a strong ego. Well, some of us have it and others of us don't. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 08 Jan 2007 18:31:34 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168213562.207721.14840@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > Jeff Grippe wrote: > >> Top post, no problem. > >> > >> Jim, > >> > >> Just so we get my POV correct, however, the behavior of Ed Gin is > >> completely > >> unacceptable. The behavior of ED is simply ED doing what ED does. I have > >> no > >> problem with self-expression that I don't happen to agree with. > >> > >> As many people have pointed out, there are mechanisms available to filter > >> out ED's posting if that is what you want to do. > >> > >> I stand by my description of the cause/effect relationship but I also > >> believe that Ed Gin (or whoever it is) has crossed a line that ED has > >> not. > >> > >> Most of the time I have said that it is my opinion that ED is welcome. I > >> don't feel that way about the ST. There is a line that ST has crossed > >> that > >> ED has not. > >> > >> Jeff > >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1168019126.443635.92210@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > >> > Jeff, > >> > > >> > Pardon the top post. I have to agree with virtually all you have had > >> > to say with but a singular exception. If the group has become what Ed > >> > Dolan has made it and the spamming posts are a reaction to what he > >> > created and without him there would be no such postings, that doesn't > >> > account for why I am also the focus and target of these posts > >> > especially since I was if anything an adversary of Dolan's and even > >> > defended Ed Gin when Dolan asserted that Ed Gin's website hosted > >> > pornographic images when it most assuredly did not.. > >> > > >> > Jim McNaa > >> > > >> > Jeff Grippe wrote: > >> >> To Ed, > >> >> > >> >> For a long time I have taken the position that you should be welcomed > >> >> to > >> >> this group. Actually my position has been that everyone should be > >> >> welcome. I > >> >> don't really think that has changed. However, > >> >> > >> >> It is difficult to imagine that you can not see that group has become > >> >> what > >> >> you have made of it. > >> >> > >> >> You have taken pride in being the "All Time Poster" in terms of number > >> >> of > >> >> messages. I think that means that you have left a pretty big stamp on > >> >> the > >> >> group. jwold, Ed Gin, or whatever his (or her) name is, is a reaction > >> >> to > >> >> what you have created. Without Ed Dolan there would be no jwold > >> >> postings. > >> >> > >> >> While the idea of "Fight Fire With Fire" is a well know cliche, when > >> >> you > >> >> actually do it, you end up with a bigger fire. If it is fire you want > >> >> then > >> >> it is fire you've got. But don't pretend that you have nothing to do > >> >> with > >> >> it. > >> >> > >> >> If the group happens to be composed of mostly liberals then that is > >> >> what > >> >> the > >> >> group is made up of. It really isn't your place to decide what points > >> >> of > >> >> view are welcome and what points of view are not. > >> >> > >> >> What this group has become is what you, the all time, number one > >> >> poster, > >> >> has > >> >> made it. > >> >> > >> >> I am certain that you will respond to this post as you respond to just > >> >> about > >> >> everything. > >> >> > >> >> For the record, I have no intention of carrying on a dialog with you > >> >> about > >> >> the point's I've raised in this posting. It is a pointless exercise as > >> >> is > >> >> this message itself I suppose. This means that I will not respond to > >> >> anything that you answer and I don't think I'll start another thread > >> >> since I > >> >> don't have anything else to add. > >> >> > >> >> As I always have (and always will), I wish you well. > >> >> > >> >> Jeff > > > > > > Jeff, > > > > For the most part, you're preachin' to the choir. No arguments here > > cconcerning the spamming troll(s) crossing the line and the law for > > that matter, including two felony counts. As concerns Dolan, he is > > just what and who he is just doing what he takes pleasure in doing, but > > contrary to his belief, if you can believe what Ed contends, I dont' > > feel that he serves a worthwhile purpose in so doing. He can be rude, > > obnoxious, insulting and disruptive and there are times when I feel > > ARBR would be a much better place without him, but you already know > > that from my posts in the past. Ed's a bright enough and educated > > enough guy who could probably be of some benefit if he wasn't so hard > > headed in his opinions and so misguided in his objectives. On the > > other hand, there is a world of difference between the two Ed's if > > indeed Gin is behind any of this nonsense. Dolan's mock threats aren't > > to be taken seriously with or without shotgun in hand, but the garbage > > that has been spewed by the cowardly spamming troll(s) is insufferable, > > inappropriate and condemnable. To his credit, at least Dolan uses his > > real name and real email address. He doesn't hide behind a proxy > > server and slink on off to a public library to make post for fear of > > retaliation or reprisal. What it takes to do what the spaming troll(s) > > have shamefully done is a complete and total lack of balls. > > > > Jim McNaa > > Jim, we have got an ally on our side with Jeff Grippe. Would that this > newsgroup had dozens like him. > > Ed Gin does not bother me nearly so much as all those cowards who will not > come out into the open and take a stand. Why do Jon Meinecke and Tom Sherman > ALWAYS take a powder when the ST (SPAMMING TROLL) shows up. It is the > fecklessness of ARBR that drives me to distraction. What Meinecke and Sherman do or don't do is of little concern to me. I doubt that Jeff would consider himself to be your ally, but he will have to speak for himself on that account. I don't have any cause of any consequence here, so I'm not looking for allies ... don't need any. I for one will never consider you to be my ally nor I to be yours. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 10 Jan 2007 07:19:21 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168309894.782822.125850@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> Ed Gin does not bother me nearly so much as all those cowards who will >> not >> come out into the open and take a stand. Why do Jon Meinecke and Tom >> Sherman >> ALWAYS take a powder when the ST (SPAMMING TROLL) shows up. It is the >> fecklessness of ARBR that drives me to distraction. > > What Meinecke and Sherman do or don't do is of little concern to me. I > doubt that Jeff would consider himself to be your ally, but he will > have to speak for himself on that account. I don't have any cause of > any consequence here, so I'm not looking for allies ... don't need > any. I for one will never consider you to be my ally nor I to be > yours. > > Jim McNaa The reason why it does not concern you is that you have never had any regard for the group. You are ever only concerned with you own petty affairs. In fact, you are petty in every way imaginable. That is why all you can ever be to this group is just a pitiful stalker. Jeff Grippe is hundred times more honorable than you. If I haven't said it before, allow me to say it now. There is something wrong with the way your brain works. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 08 Jan 2007 22:33:18 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste > What Meinecke and Sherman do or don't do is of little concern to me. I > doubt that Jeff would consider himself to be your ally, but he will > have to speak for himself on that account. I don't have any cause of > any consequence here, so I'm not looking for allies ... don't need > any. I for one will never consider you to be my ally nor I to be > yours. > > Jim McNaa Ally would not be the right term. I'm really trying not to be on any side but rather to express the point of view that I hold. Ed seems to think that there is something that others could do to put down the other troll. That is more fighting fire with fire and as I said before, you just end up with a bigger fire. Meinecke and Sherman are st to stay out of this discussion. This may be one of the few times when I agree with Ed's characterization of me as an idiot (remember I said I wasn't going to discuss this anymore?) Anyway, I agree with you. I'm not looking for allies either. I'm not on a side. Jeff       Date: 17 Jan 2007 08:10:25 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1169041855.412127.292110@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > [...] > >> Here is an unarguable fact for you: Ed Dolan is the most intelligent > >> person > >> in the known universe; he is also the finest writer in the known > >> universe. > >> He is way too good for ARBR, that is for sure! > > > > Laughable opinion stated as fact. Opinion in the absence of > > substantiating evidence remains nothing but an opinion and this > > particular opinion is undoubtedly shared only by the person voicing the > > opinion. > > But only my own opinions matter to me! Dolan is just so incredibly self-centered. FACT: the universe does not revolve around HEAD Dolan! FACT: DOlan doesn't recognize this. > They are mostly based on facts as I PERCEIVE them. An therein lies the root of the problem ... perceptual distortion.. > But I must admit a lot of a priori thinking goes into > everything also. Why limit yourself like scientists do? > > > Ed Dolan, by his own admission is all about opinion and is clamorously > > contemptuous of logic and facts. Dolan emphatically insists upon being > > unencumbered by logic and unrestrained by facts for two specific, > > though unexpressed, reasons. Logic is not Dolan's strong suit and > > fact, by definition, is not subject to debate (read not arguable), > > which precludes Ed's favorite pastime ... argumentation. > > Yet, I am able to outthink Jim regularly on everything. And I say it so much > better too. Life is so unfair! Delusional opinion stated as fact. Dolan must first master the thought process before he can out think anyone. > Ed is > > uncomfortable when bound by the confines of logic and fact. So, what's > > a Dolan to do? Well, argue about opinions, but there's problem with > > that too. Something cannot be branded "true" or "false", "right" or > > "wrong" when that something is merely an expression of opinion. > > Nonetheless this is precisely what Dolan endeavors to do, that is > > debate the non-debatable ... the opinion itself. What is debatable are > > particulars such as values, policies, proposals or propositions. What > > is also debatable is whether Ed Dolan will ever be able to discern the > > distinction between fact and opinion and determine what is and what is > > not subject to debate. Undoubtedly, Dolan will reply predictably with > > incoherent recycled babble to refute as nonsense that which I have said > > (written), but the only nonsense will be Dolan's response to that which > > is commonly accepted by persons that are rational, a virtue that Ed > > Dolan has yet to master. > > Jim imagines himself back in his college philosophy classes! Now you began > to understand why I never bothered with the Ph.D. degree. I did not want to > become an academic who did not know his ass from a hole in the ground. Instead you are some should grab 'hold of your ears and pull you head out of you ass. Perhaps then Ed will be able to think more clearly. - Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 17 Jan 2007 17:20:04 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1169050224.117672.114630@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> Ed is >> > uncomfortable when bound by the confines of logic and fact. So, what's >> > a Dolan to do? Well, argue about opinions, but there's problem with >> > that too. Something cannot be branded "true" or "false", "right" or >> > "wrong" when that something is merely an expression of opinion. >> > Nonetheless this is precisely what Dolan endeavors to do, that is >> > debate the non-debatable ... the opinion itself. What is debatable are >> > particulars such as values, policies, proposals or propositions. What >> > is also debatable is whether Ed Dolan will ever be able to discern the >> > distinction between fact and opinion and determine what is and what is >> > not subject to debate. Undoubtedly, Dolan will reply predictably with >> > incoherent recycled babble to refute as nonsense that which I have said >> > (written), but the only nonsense will be Dolan's response to that which >> > is commonly accepted by persons that are rational, a virtue that Ed >> > Dolan has yet to master. >> >> Jim imagines himself back in his college philosophy classes! Now you >> began >> to understand why I never bothered with the Ph.D. degree. I did not want >> to >> become an academic who did not know his ass from a hole in the ground. > > Instead you are some should grab 'hold of your ears and pull you head > out of you ass. Perhaps then Ed will be able to think more clearly. - > Jim McNaa Always remember who you are writing for, the very first lesson you should have learned in your college classes. It is pointless to throw pearls before swine. Everyone on this group is an idiot, so do not presume to instruct anyone in anything, especially not Philosophy 101. It is a wonder to me that such a subject has not been phased out of every college in the land by now. I mean, who the hell bothers with philosophy anymore since science has become all the rage. I know who I write for. That is why I am read and you aren't. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 10 Jan 2007 07:35:34 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:12q6380382st214@news.supernews.com... Jim McNaa wrote: >> What Meinecke and Sherman do or don't do is of little concern to me. I >> doubt that Jeff would consider himself to be your ally, but he will >> have to speak for himself on that account. I don't have any cause of >> any consequence here, so I'm not looking for allies ... don't need >> any. I for one will never consider you to be my ally nor I to be >> yours. >> >> Jim McNaa > > Ally would not be the right term. I'm really trying not to be on any side > but rather to express the point of view that I hold. Spoken like a true Jew. Yes, don't take sides. That way everyone will hate you. > Ed seems to think that there is something that others could do to put down > the other troll. That is more fighting fire with fire and as I said > before, you just end up with a bigger fire. I pretty much agree with Jeff here. There is nothing to be done about a newgroup that is not moderated. Still, I expect others to speak up when things get too rambunctious. Jim only speaks up when he gets personally attacked. He could care less about the group. > Meinecke and Sherman are st to stay out of this discussion. This may be > one of the few times when I agree with Ed's characterization of me as an > idiot (remember I said I wasn't going to discuss this anymore?) More was expected of Meinecke and Sherman since they were the stalwarts of this newsgroup who pretended to have our best interests at heart. However, they have ever proven themselves to be cowards for not speaking up. I reserve my greatest contempt for them. I think they are both gone for good now - and it is good riddance to them! > Anyway, I agree with you. I'm not looking for allies either. I'm not on a > side. You want to tread very carefully around Jim's delicate ego. It is easily bruised and then you will learn what a child he can be. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 10 Jan 2007 20:27:46 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste > More was expected of Meinecke and Sherman since they were the stalwarts of > this newsgroup who pretended to have our best interests at heart. However, > they have ever proven themselves to be cowards for not speaking up. I > reserve my greatest contempt for them. I think they are both gone for good > now - and it is good riddance to them! > We are all individuals here Ed. This is not a church group or some type of social organization that exists for some other purpose than to amuse those who post here. Maybe those two are simply not amused by you or the troll. I find myself oddly amused by both while at the same time wishing that both would go away. It is fine with me if you express your opinion on your pet topic when and if they come up. But otherwise, I already know that you think women should act like the blessed virgin y, that we should all abstain from sex unless engaged in procreation, that liberals and Jews (especially New York Jews) are a waste of natural resources, that the French are awful, and that the president is wonderful. Did I miss anything? If I did then you will surely remind me. Good luck Ed. Jeff           Date: 10 Jan 2007 21:38:12 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:12qb4kjf6iia7a9@news.supernews.com... Edward Dolan wrote: >> More was expected of Meinecke and Sherman since they were the stalwarts >> of this newsgroup who pretended to have our best interests at heart. >> However, they have ever proven themselves to be cowards for not speaking >> up. I reserve my greatest contempt for them. I think they are both gone >> for good now - and it is good riddance to them! >> > > We are all individuals here Ed. This is not a church group or some type of > social organization that exists for some other purpose than to amuse those > who post here. Wrong again, oh sage of White Plains! We are a group whether you or Jim recognize it or not. Act like individuals and that is how I shall treat you. Become part of the group and I will treat you differently, i.e., with more respect. If you disagree, go involve yourself in some other group and you will quickly discover that they are all different from one another (but all equally stupid). Why? Because a group dynamic has taken place. Sociology 101. >Maybe those two are simply not amused by you or the troll. Both Meinecke and Sherman expressed a concern for the group from time to time, but when the chips are down, they know how to absent themselves. So much for the group as far as those two cowards are concerned. I > find myself oddly amused by both while at the same time wishing that both > would go away. It is fine with me if you express your opinion on your pet > topic when and if they come up. But otherwise, I already know that you > think women should act like the blessed virgin y, that we should all > abstain from sex unless engaged in procreation, that liberals and Jews > (especially New York Jews) are a waste of natural resources, that the > French are awful, and that the president is wonderful. Did I miss > anything? If I did then you will surely remind me. Good luck Ed. Ah, but I can go on and on on the above subjects in infinite detail and elaborate endlessly. I take great pride in all my views in that they are all politically incorrect. If I were a liberal like Jeff Grippe, I would have to go down to my dirt floor basement and hang myself from the rafters from the shame of it all. But Jeff Grippe, like all liberals, does not know shame. It is beyond him. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 08 Jan 2007 18:24:14 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Ed, Top posted for your benefit and enjoyment. To the contrary ... I have had much to say about the content of your posts. Your just too thick headed to recognize it. Most recently the beer versus win and length of stay in Europe and waste of of jet fuel nonsense that you were wrong about in both instances. Lately I've had little to say simply because there has to be content in order for me to be able to say anything about it" and your posts are comprised mostly of recycled garbage. What you consider to be content is just repetitious nonsense. Your posts are akin to a broken record. Jim McNaa Edward Dolan wrote: > "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message > news:12q3ak7ous3m5b7@news.supernews.com... > > ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! > > >I think we are basically in agreement. > > > > Since Ed doesn't fight fairly, however, I have chosen not to fight with > > him at all. I think that if nobody fought with him at all, his fighting > > would diminish. He is very good at pushing people's buttons, however, so > > it is likely that there will always be someone to fight with him. > > That is a very old saw that someone with whom you disagree does not fight > fairly. > > > Would we be better off without him? Well maybe but the essence of > > unmoderated news groups is that anyone with a computer can post to them. > > > > Some people have expressed the idea that since there is so much talk about > > and by Ed on topics unrelated to recumbent cycling, that the group isn't > > worth reading. > > > > Anyone who chooses to can do the following: > > 1. post something on-topic (unlike the nonsense that I'm posting now) > > 2. filter out most of the off topic stuff > > > > I understand the frustration that many feel with the overbearing behavior > > and pontification that is Ed but it is my belief that the best way to > > minimize it is to ignore it. Arguing with him keeps him going. The troll > > did nothing to diminish him (and he has done nothing to diminish the > > troll). Regardless of what you or I do, Ed will be Ed. This is the reason > > that I have been silent. I never stopped reading the group but I knew that > > there was nothing I had to add that was of any value. > > It is difficult indeed to make much headway when you are up against a > gigantic intellect such as mine. > > > So my advice to you (not that you asked for any) is to ignore Ed's rants. > > Only respond to his on-topic posts and then stay on topic. This group is > > his soapbox. Do what you would do with anyone on a soapbox that you don't > > agree with. Stop listening. Certainly don't try to reason or argue with > > someone you know can't be reasoned with. > > Jim likes to stalk me and never has much to say about any of my content. > > By the way, I am the soul of reason, but I am not politically correct about > anything. I make it a point NOT to be politically correct. You should try it > sometime yourself. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 10 Jan 2007 07:09:55 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168309454.101083.102550@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! > Ed, > > Top posted for your benefit and enjoyment. To the contrary ... I have > had much to say about the content of your posts. Your just too thick > headed to recognize it. Most recently the beer versus win and length > of stay in Europe and waste of of jet fuel nonsense that you were wrong > about in both instances. Lately I've had little to say simply because > there has to be content in order for me to be able to say anything > about it" and your posts are comprised mostly of recycled garbage. > What you consider to be content is just repetitious nonsense. Your > posts are akin to a broken record. Repetition is the key to all learning. In the case of this newsgroup, it is impossible to say anything too often. In fact, what is called for is a heavy mallet to pound some knowledge into all the thick skulls that seem to reside here on permanent basis. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message >> news:12q3ak7ous3m5b7@news.supernews.com... >> >> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! >> >> >I think we are basically in agreement. >> > >> > Since Ed doesn't fight fairly, however, I have chosen not to fight with >> > him at all. I think that if nobody fought with him at all, his fighting >> > would diminish. He is very good at pushing people's buttons, however, >> > so >> > it is likely that there will always be someone to fight with him. >> >> That is a very old saw that someone with whom you disagree does not fight >> fairly. >> >> > Would we be better off without him? Well maybe but the essence of >> > unmoderated news groups is that anyone with a computer can post to >> > them. >> > >> > Some people have expressed the idea that since there is so much talk >> > about >> > and by Ed on topics unrelated to recumbent cycling, that the group >> > isn't >> > worth reading. >> > >> > Anyone who chooses to can do the following: >> > 1. post something on-topic (unlike the nonsense that I'm posting now) >> > 2. filter out most of the off topic stuff >> > >> > I understand the frustration that many feel with the overbearing >> > behavior >> > and pontification that is Ed but it is my belief that the best way to >> > minimize it is to ignore it. Arguing with him keeps him going. The >> > troll >> > did nothing to diminish him (and he has done nothing to diminish the >> > troll). Regardless of what you or I do, Ed will be Ed. This is the >> > reason >> > that I have been silent. I never stopped reading the group but I knew >> > that >> > there was nothing I had to add that was of any value. >> >> It is difficult indeed to make much headway when you are up against a >> gigantic intellect such as mine. >> >> > So my advice to you (not that you asked for any) is to ignore Ed's >> > rants. >> > Only respond to his on-topic posts and then stay on topic. This group >> > is >> > his soapbox. Do what you would do with anyone on a soapbox that you >> > don't >> > agree with. Stop listening. Certainly don't try to reason or argue with >> > someone you know can't be reasoned with. >> >> Jim likes to stalk me and never has much to say about any of my content. >> >> By the way, I am the soul of reason, but I am not politically correct >> about >> anything. I make it a point NOT to be politically correct. You should try >> it >> sometime yourself.   Date: 08 Jan 2007 18:12:17 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Jeff, As you said, we are basically in agreement. In effect you are preachin' to the choir. Much of what you have said here, I have said as well. I needn't reiterate here. I'm sure you've read some of my thoughts about Trolls and about Ed as well. Jim Jeff Grippe wrote: > I think we are basically in agreement. > > Since Ed doesn't fight fairly, however, I have chosen not to fight with him > at all. I think that if nobody fought with him at all, his fighting would > diminish. He is very good at pushing people's buttons, however, so it is > likely that there will always be someone to fight with him. > > Would we be better off without him? Well maybe but the essence of > unmoderated news groups is that anyone with a computer can post to them. > > Some people have expressed the idea that since there is so much talk about > and by Ed on topics unrelated to recumbent cycling, that the group isn't > worth reading. > > Anyone who chooses to can do the following: > 1. post something on-topic (unlike the nonsense that I'm posting now) > 2. filter out most of the off topic stuff > > I understand the frustration that many feel with the overbearing behavior > and pontification that is Ed but it is my belief that the best way to > minimize it is to ignore it. Arguing with him keeps him going. The troll did > nothing to diminish him (and he has done nothing to diminish the troll). > Regardless of what you or I do, Ed will be Ed. This is the reason that I > have been silent. I never stopped reading the group but I knew that there > was nothing I had to add that was of any value. > > So my advice to you (not that you asked for any) is to ignore Ed's rants. > Only respond to his on-topic posts and then stay on topic. This group is his > soapbox. Do what you would do with anyone on a soapbox that you don't agree > with. Stop listening. Certainly don't try to reason or argue with someone > you know can't be reasoned with. > > Jeff > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168213562.207721.14840@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > > > Jeff Grippe wrote: > >> Top post, no problem. > >> > >> Jim, > >> > >> Just so we get my POV correct, however, the behavior of Ed Gin is > >> completely > >> unacceptable. The behavior of ED is simply ED doing what ED does. I have > >> no > >> problem with self-expression that I don't happen to agree with. > >> > >> As many people have pointed out, there are mechanisms available to filter > >> out ED's posting if that is what you want to do. > >> > >> I stand by my description of the cause/effect relationship but I also > >> believe that Ed Gin (or whoever it is) has crossed a line that ED has > >> not. > >> > >> Most of the time I have said that it is my opinion that ED is welcome. I > >> don't feel that way about the ST. There is a line that ST has crossed > >> that > >> ED has not. > >> > >> Jeff > >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1168019126.443635.92210@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > >> > Jeff, > >> > > >> > Pardon the top post. I have to agree with virtually all you have had > >> > to say with but a singular exception. If the group has become what Ed > >> > Dolan has made it and the spamming posts are a reaction to what he > >> > created and without him there would be no such postings, that doesn't > >> > account for why I am also the focus and target of these posts > >> > especially since I was if anything an adversary of Dolan's and even > >> > defended Ed Gin when Dolan asserted that Ed Gin's website hosted > >> > pornographic images when it most assuredly did not.. > >> > > >> > Jim McNaa > >> > > >> > Jeff Grippe wrote: > >> >> To Ed, > >> >> > >> >> For a long time I have taken the position that you should be welcomed > >> >> to > >> >> this group. Actually my position has been that everyone should be > >> >> welcome. I > >> >> don't really think that has changed. However, > >> >> > >> >> It is difficult to imagine that you can not see that group has become > >> >> what > >> >> you have made of it. > >> >> > >> >> You have taken pride in being the "All Time Poster" in terms of number > >> >> of > >> >> messages. I think that means that you have left a pretty big stamp on > >> >> the > >> >> group. jwold, Ed Gin, or whatever his (or her) name is, is a reaction > >> >> to > >> >> what you have created. Without Ed Dolan there would be no jwold > >> >> postings. > >> >> > >> >> While the idea of "Fight Fire With Fire" is a well know cliche, when > >> >> you > >> >> actually do it, you end up with a bigger fire. If it is fire you want > >> >> then > >> >> it is fire you've got. But don't pretend that you have nothing to do > >> >> with > >> >> it. > >> >> > >> >> If the group happens to be composed of mostly liberals then that is > >> >> what > >> >> the > >> >> group is made up of. It really isn't your place to decide what points > >> >> of > >> >> view are welcome and what points of view are not. > >> >> > >> >> What this group has become is what you, the all time, number one > >> >> poster, > >> >> has > >> >> made it. > >> >> > >> >> I am certain that you will respond to this post as you respond to just > >> >> about > >> >> everything. > >> >> > >> >> For the record, I have no intention of carrying on a dialog with you > >> >> about > >> >> the point's I've raised in this posting. It is a pointless exercise as > >> >> is > >> >> this message itself I suppose. This means that I will not respond to > >> >> anything that you answer and I don't think I'll start another thread > >> >> since I > >> >> don't have anything else to add. > >> >> > >> >> As I always have (and always will), I wish you well. > >> >> > >> >> Jeff > > > > > > Jeff, > > > > For the most part, you're preachin' to the choir. No arguments here > > cconcerning the spamming troll(s) crossing the line and the law for > > that matter, including two felony counts. As concerns Dolan, he is > > just what and who he is just doing what he takes pleasure in doing, but > > contrary to his belief, if you can believe what Ed contends, I dont' > > feel that he serves a worthwhile purpose in so doing. He can be rude, > > obnoxious, insulting and disruptive and there are times when I feel > > ARBR would be a much better place without him, but you already know > > that from my posts in the past. Ed's a bright enough and educated > > enough guy who could probably be of some benefit if he wasn't so hard > > headed in his opinions and so misguided in his objectives. On the > > other hand, there is a world of difference between the two Ed's if > > indeed Gin is behind any of this nonsense. Dolan's mock threats aren't > > to be taken seriously with or without shotgun in hand, but the garbage > > that has been spewed by the cowardly spamming troll(s) is insufferable, > > inappropriate and condemnable. To his credit, at least Dolan uses his > > real name and real email address. He doesn't hide behind a proxy > > server and slink on off to a public library to make post for fear of > > retaliation or reprisal. What it takes to do what the spaming troll(s) > > have shamefully done is a complete and total lack of balls. > > > > Jim McNaa > >   Date: 07 Jan 2007 15:46:02 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Jeff Grippe wrote: > Top post, no problem. > > Jim, > > Just so we get my POV correct, however, the behavior of Ed Gin is completely > unacceptable. The behavior of ED is simply ED doing what ED does. I have no > problem with self-expression that I don't happen to agree with. > > As many people have pointed out, there are mechanisms available to filter > out ED's posting if that is what you want to do. > > I stand by my description of the cause/effect relationship but I also > believe that Ed Gin (or whoever it is) has crossed a line that ED has not. > > Most of the time I have said that it is my opinion that ED is welcome. I > don't feel that way about the ST. There is a line that ST has crossed that > ED has not. > > Jeff > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168019126.443635.92210@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > > Jeff, > > > > Pardon the top post. I have to agree with virtually all you have had > > to say with but a singular exception. If the group has become what Ed > > Dolan has made it and the spamming posts are a reaction to what he > > created and without him there would be no such postings, that doesn't > > account for why I am also the focus and target of these posts > > especially since I was if anything an adversary of Dolan's and even > > defended Ed Gin when Dolan asserted that Ed Gin's website hosted > > pornographic images when it most assuredly did not.. > > > > Jim McNaa > > > > Jeff Grippe wrote: > >> To Ed, > >> > >> For a long time I have taken the position that you should be welcomed to > >> this group. Actually my position has been that everyone should be > >> welcome. I > >> don't really think that has changed. However, > >> > >> It is difficult to imagine that you can not see that group has become > >> what > >> you have made of it. > >> > >> You have taken pride in being the "All Time Poster" in terms of number of > >> messages. I think that means that you have left a pretty big stamp on the > >> group. jwold, Ed Gin, or whatever his (or her) name is, is a reaction to > >> what you have created. Without Ed Dolan there would be no jwold postings. > >> > >> While the idea of "Fight Fire With Fire" is a well know cliche, when you > >> actually do it, you end up with a bigger fire. If it is fire you want > >> then > >> it is fire you've got. But don't pretend that you have nothing to do with > >> it. > >> > >> If the group happens to be composed of mostly liberals then that is what > >> the > >> group is made up of. It really isn't your place to decide what points of > >> view are welcome and what points of view are not. > >> > >> What this group has become is what you, the all time, number one poster, > >> has > >> made it. > >> > >> I am certain that you will respond to this post as you respond to just > >> about > >> everything. > >> > >> For the record, I have no intention of carrying on a dialog with you > >> about > >> the point's I've raised in this posting. It is a pointless exercise as is > >> this message itself I suppose. This means that I will not respond to > >> anything that you answer and I don't think I'll start another thread > >> since I > >> don't have anything else to add. > >> > >> As I always have (and always will), I wish you well. > >> > >> Jeff Jeff, For the most part, you're preachin' to the choir. No arguments here cconcerning the spamming troll(s) crossing the line and the law for that matter, including two felony counts. As concerns Dolan, he is just what and who he is just doing what he takes pleasure in doing, but contrary to his belief, if you can believe what Ed contends, I dont' feel that he serves a worthwhile purpose in so doing. He can be rude, obnoxious, insulting and disruptive and there are times when I feel ARBR would be a much better place without him, but you already know that from my posts in the past. Ed's a bright enough and educated enough guy who could probably be of some benefit if he wasn't so hard headed in his opinions and so misguided in his objectives. On the other hand, there is a world of difference between the two Ed's if indeed Gin is behind any of this nonsense. Dolan's mock threats aren't to be taken seriously with or without shotgun in hand, but the garbage that has been spewed by the cowardly spamming troll(s) is insufferable, inappropriate and condemnable. To his credit, at least Dolan uses his real name and real email address. He doesn't hide behind a proxy server and slink on off to a public library to make post for fear of retaliation or reprisal. What it takes to do what the spaming troll(s) have shamefully done is a complete and total lack of balls. Jim McNaa     Date: 08 Jan 2007 01:05:24 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168213562.207721.14840@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > Jeff Grippe wrote: >> Top post, no problem. >> >> Jim, >> >> Just so we get my POV correct, however, the behavior of Ed Gin is >> completely >> unacceptable. The behavior of ED is simply ED doing what ED does. I have >> no >> problem with self-expression that I don't happen to agree with. >> >> As many people have pointed out, there are mechanisms available to filter >> out ED's posting if that is what you want to do. >> >> I stand by my description of the cause/effect relationship but I also >> believe that Ed Gin (or whoever it is) has crossed a line that ED has >> not. >> >> Most of the time I have said that it is my opinion that ED is welcome. I >> don't feel that way about the ST. There is a line that ST has crossed >> that >> ED has not. >> >> Jeff >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1168019126.443635.92210@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... >> > Jeff, >> > >> > Pardon the top post. I have to agree with virtually all you have had >> > to say with but a singular exception. If the group has become what Ed >> > Dolan has made it and the spamming posts are a reaction to what he >> > created and without him there would be no such postings, that doesn't >> > account for why I am also the focus and target of these posts >> > especially since I was if anything an adversary of Dolan's and even >> > defended Ed Gin when Dolan asserted that Ed Gin's website hosted >> > pornographic images when it most assuredly did not.. >> > >> > Jim McNaa >> > >> > Jeff Grippe wrote: >> >> To Ed, >> >> >> >> For a long time I have taken the position that you should be welcomed >> >> to >> >> this group. Actually my position has been that everyone should be >> >> welcome. I >> >> don't really think that has changed. However, >> >> >> >> It is difficult to imagine that you can not see that group has become >> >> what >> >> you have made of it. >> >> >> >> You have taken pride in being the "All Time Poster" in terms of number >> >> of >> >> messages. I think that means that you have left a pretty big stamp on >> >> the >> >> group. jwold, Ed Gin, or whatever his (or her) name is, is a reaction >> >> to >> >> what you have created. Without Ed Dolan there would be no jwold >> >> postings. >> >> >> >> While the idea of "Fight Fire With Fire" is a well know cliche, when >> >> you >> >> actually do it, you end up with a bigger fire. If it is fire you want >> >> then >> >> it is fire you've got. But don't pretend that you have nothing to do >> >> with >> >> it. >> >> >> >> If the group happens to be composed of mostly liberals then that is >> >> what >> >> the >> >> group is made up of. It really isn't your place to decide what points >> >> of >> >> view are welcome and what points of view are not. >> >> >> >> What this group has become is what you, the all time, number one >> >> poster, >> >> has >> >> made it. >> >> >> >> I am certain that you will respond to this post as you respond to just >> >> about >> >> everything. >> >> >> >> For the record, I have no intention of carrying on a dialog with you >> >> about >> >> the point's I've raised in this posting. It is a pointless exercise as >> >> is >> >> this message itself I suppose. This means that I will not respond to >> >> anything that you answer and I don't think I'll start another thread >> >> since I >> >> don't have anything else to add. >> >> >> >> As I always have (and always will), I wish you well. >> >> >> >> Jeff > > > Jeff, > > For the most part, you're preachin' to the choir. No arguments here > cconcerning the spamming troll(s) crossing the line and the law for > that matter, including two felony counts. As concerns Dolan, he is > just what and who he is just doing what he takes pleasure in doing, but > contrary to his belief, if you can believe what Ed contends, I dont' > feel that he serves a worthwhile purpose in so doing. He can be rude, > obnoxious, insulting and disruptive and there are times when I feel > ARBR would be a much better place without him, but you already know > that from my posts in the past. Ed's a bright enough and educated > enough guy who could probably be of some benefit if he wasn't so hard > headed in his opinions and so misguided in his objectives. On the > other hand, there is a world of difference between the two Ed's if > indeed Gin is behind any of this nonsense. Dolan's mock threats aren't > to be taken seriously with or without shotgun in hand, but the garbage > that has been spewed by the cowardly spamming troll(s) is insufferable, > inappropriate and condemnable. To his credit, at least Dolan uses his > real name and real email address. He doesn't hide behind a proxy > server and slink on off to a public library to make post for fear of > retaliation or reprisal. What it takes to do what the spaming troll(s) > have shamefully done is a complete and total lack of balls. > > Jim McNaa Jim, we have got an ally on our side with Jeff Grippe. Would that this newsgroup had dozens like him. Ed Gin does not bother me nearly so much as all those cowards who will not come out into the open and take a stand. Why do Jon Meinecke and Tom Sherman ALWAYS take a powder when the ST (SPAMMING TROLL) shows up. It is the fecklessness of ARBR that drives me to distraction. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 17 Jan 2007 08:35:08 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168969065.418426.29390@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > [...] > >> Let us say I went back and found the phrase where you tell us that you > >> are > >> not concerned with the group. What would be the upshot of it? We know in > >> advance that you would put a spin on it so that it would not say what it > >> in > >> fact you did say. But I have got a far better idea. Since you like to > >> look > >> up things, you go back and find it yourself. Then bring it to the group > >> so > >> we can all have another look at it and then we shall see who said what. > >> > >> I will not look up shit from previous posts because it is always for > >> nothing. Everyone on this group is a weasel and knows how to slither out > >> of > >> anything. So much for facts, or logic - or anything else for that > >> matter. > > > > I said this matter is no longer open to discussion, but feel that Dolan > > has brought up an issue that requires to be addressed. I contend that > > I wrote nothing that indicated that I had a lack of concern for the > > group ... that for which I was accused. Consequently I cannot FIND > > that which isn't to be found. Besides, in making an accusation, the > > burden of proof rests not with the accused, but with the accuser and > > that would be Ed Dolan. In the absence of evidence the accused is > > exonerated. Ed Dolan has produced no evidence, so I consider myself > > exonerated. > > In other words Jim is not going to go back on the thread and look up > anything either. And why should he? He knows full well what he said and so > do I. But the really important question is - who gives a damn? No one does - > that's who! Amended text in this second posting... Ed Dolan in his own words ... "I will stand by every message I have ever posted to Usenet, bar none. Some of my posts will require some explanation no doubt, but I can defend and justify everything I have ever said to anyone." OK, we've heard Dolan's half-baked explanation concerning his FALSE accusation, but what we have yet to be treated to is Dolan's defense and justification for his FALSE accusation. Ed has been unable to cite a reference in evidence to substantiate of his accusation. Mr.. Dolan ... WHERE'S YOUR PROOF??? Put up or shut up. If Dolan cannot cite a reference, an apology and retraction is in order. The absence of an apology and a retraction will be reflect Dolan's absence of character. I consider myself exonerated regardless and consider this matter closed ... no longer open to discussion . - Jim McNaa > > In answer to Ed's question ... What would be the upshot of it? The > > upshot would be that Dolan will not be able to locate a reference to > > cite or he will locate an obscure phrase taken out of context for which > > with a great deal of distortion will misconstrue its intent. What will > > not occur is admission of wrongdoing and the issue of a retraction. > > Despite his claims to the contrary, Dolan is never wrong (read never > > admits to being wrong). It is his own best interest to pursue this no > > further and that is why to use his words, he ... will not look up shit > > from previous posts. To paraphrase the man, he is a weasel who is > > slithering out of this one, but has not done so very gracefully. > > Caught with his pants down, he has been seen slinking off in > > embarrassment for having blundered. > > Jim is the looker-upper, not I. My Greatness will not permit ME to do > trivial tasks. That is for my inferiors to do. > [...] > > >> Well, let us see ... Both the Israelis and the Palestinians think they > >> are > >> in possession of the relevant facts as to who should occupy the area that > >> Israel now occupies. And they both can make good logical arguments as to > >> who > >> is right and who is wrong. Any and all outsiders are totally befuddled. > >> Even > >> former President Carter can't think straight on the issue anymore (if he > >> ever could). > > > > This is a particularly poor example because the complexity of the > > dynamics and circumstances are such that the facts are obscured. > > Alas, complexities inhere in all things. Nothing is ever simple - except > certain minds that go on and on about the importance of facts and logic. > > >> I maintain that facts can be argued about endlessly depending on the > >> perspective. The same goes for logic which has never been a reliable > >> guide > >> to good thinking. Scientific facts are somewhat different, but not > >> totally. > >> To be in awe of so-called facts ks you as an ignoramus. > > > > And I maintain that what Dolan maintains is erroneous. A fact is > > information about circumstances that are known to exist or events that > > are known to have occurred. As such, facts are not subject to debate > > and that's a fact ... not an opinion. FACT: Ed Dolan does not know what > > a fact is. His repeated insistence that a fact is arguable is > > definitive proof of this. Dolan continues to misconstrue the none to > > subtle distinction between what constitutes a fact and what constitutes > > an opinion. Dolan never has nor will he ever know the distinction > > between the two. > > You need to get yourself involved in the complexities of the > Israeli-Palestinian issue. There you will discover that no one can agree on > even the simplest of facts. Hells Bells, Tom Sherman thought that what the > Palestinian suicide bombers were doing was no different than what the > Israeli Defense Forces were doing - and Tom Sherman prided himself on his > grasp of facts and logical thinking. After all, he was a civil engineer and > had taken lots of science courses in college. > > >> Also, everyone on this group should get acquainted with the concept of > >> sophistry since everyone here reeks of it as do most folks everywhere. > > > > I'll make this easy for the readers. ARBR reeks of sophistry because > > ARBR reeks of DOLAN. Sophistry refers to the "art" of deliberate > > invalid argumentation employing ingenuity in reasoning with the intent > > to deceive by appeal to the listener on grounds other than the strict > > logical cogency of the statements being made. A sophist would have you > > believe that the actual logical validity of an argument is irrelevant > > (if not non-existent) because only the ruling audience (think ARBR > > readership) ultimately determines whether a conclusion is considered > > "true" or "false" not. This should all sound very familiar since what > > Dolan is accusing ARBR members of is a virtual self-portrait. How many > > time have I taken him to task over these very issues? I find it most > > amusing that Dolan complains about fact and logic and then denounces > > sophistry which is a distortion of fact and logic. I've siad it > > before. The man is a walking, talking contradiction. The conundrum > > continues. > > Jim is FINALLY beginning to pick up on my humor. I am almost proud of him. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 17 Jan 2007 08:32:29 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168969065.418426.29390@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > [...] > >> Let us say I went back and found the phrase where you tell us that you > >> are > >> not concerned with the group. What would be the upshot of it? We know in > >> advance that you would put a spin on it so that it would not say what it > >> in > >> fact you did say. But I have got a far better idea. Since you like to > >> look > >> up things, you go back and find it yourself. Then bring it to the group > >> so > >> we can all have another look at it and then we shall see who said what. > >> > >> I will not look up shit from previous posts because it is always for > >> nothing. Everyone on this group is a weasel and knows how to slither out > >> of > >> anything. So much for facts, or logic - or anything else for that > >> matter. > > > > I said this matter is no longer open to discussion, but feel that Dolan > > has brought up an issue that requires to be addressed. I contend that > > I wrote nothing that indicated that I had a lack of concern for the > > group ... that for which I was accused. Consequently I cannot FIND > > that which isn't to be found. Besides, in making an accusation, the > > burden of proof rests not with the accused, but with the accuser and > > that would be Ed Dolan. In the absence of evidence the accused is > > exonerated. Ed Dolan has produced no evidence, so I consider myself > > exonerated. > > In other words Jim is not going to go back on the thread and look up > anything either. And why should he? He knows full well what he said and so > do I. But the really important question is - who gives a damn? No one does - > that's who! Ed in his own words ... "I will stand by every message I have ever posted to Usenet, bar none. Some of my posts will require some explanation no doubt, but I can defend and justify everything I have ever said to anyone." OK, we've heard the half-baked explanation concerning your FALSE accusation, but what we have yet to be treated to is Dolan's defense and justification for his FALSE accusation. He has been unable to cite a reference in evidence to substantiate of his accusation. Mr.. Dolan ... WHERE'S YOUR PROOF??? Put up or shut up. If Dolan cannot cite a reference, an apology and retraction is in order. The absence of an apology and a retraction will be reflect Dolan's absence of character. I consider myself exonerated regardless and consider this matter closed ... no longer open to discussion . - Jim McNaa > > In answer to Ed's question ... What would be the upshot of it? The > > upshot would be that Dolan will not be able to locate a reference to > > cite or he will locate an obscure phrase taken out of context for which > > with a great deal of distortion will misconstrue its intent. What will > > not occur is admission of wrongdoing and the issue of a retraction. > > Despite his claims to the contrary, Dolan is never wrong (read never > > admits to being wrong). It is his own best interest to pursue this no > > further and that is why to use his words, he ... will not look up shit > > from previous posts. To paraphrase the man, he is a weasel who is > > slithering out of this one, but has not done so very gracefully. > > Caught with his pants down, he has been seen slinking off in > > embarrassment for having blundered. > > Jim is the looker-upper, not I. My Greatness will not permit ME to do > trivial tasks. That is for my inferiors to do. > [...] > > >> Well, let us see ... Both the Israelis and the Palestinians think they > >> are > >> in possession of the relevant facts as to who should occupy the area that > >> Israel now occupies. And they both can make good logical arguments as to > >> who > >> is right and who is wrong. Any and all outsiders are totally befuddled. > >> Even > >> former President Carter can't think straight on the issue anymore (if he > >> ever could). > > > > This is a particularly poor example because the complexity of the > > dynamics and circumstances are such that the facts are obscured. > > Alas, complexities inhere in all things. Nothing is ever simple - except > certain minds that go on and on about the importance of facts and logic. > > >> I maintain that facts can be argued about endlessly depending on the > >> perspective. The same goes for logic which has never been a reliable > >> guide > >> to good thinking. Scientific facts are somewhat different, but not > >> totally. > >> To be in awe of so-called facts ks you as an ignoramus. > > > > And I maintain that what Dolan maintains is erroneous. A fact is > > information about circumstances that are known to exist or events that > > are known to have occurred. As such, facts are not subject to debate > > and that's a fact ... not an opinion. FACT: Ed Dolan does not know what > > a fact is. His repeated insistence that a fact is arguable is > > definitive proof of this. Dolan continues to misconstrue the none to > > subtle distinction between what constitutes a fact and what constitutes > > an opinion. Dolan never has nor will he ever know the distinction > > between the two. > > You need to get yourself involved in the complexities of the > Israeli-Palestinian issue. There you will discover that no one can agree on > even the simplest of facts. Hells Bells, Tom Sherman thought that what the > Palestinian suicide bombers were doing was no different than what the > Israeli Defense Forces were doing - and Tom Sherman prided himself on his > grasp of facts and logical thinking. After all, he was a civil engineer and > had taken lots of science courses in college. > > >> Also, everyone on this group should get acquainted with the concept of > >> sophistry since everyone here reeks of it as do most folks everywhere. > > > > I'll make this easy for the readers. ARBR reeks of sophistry because > > ARBR reeks of DOLAN. Sophistry refers to the "art" of deliberate > > invalid argumentation employing ingenuity in reasoning with the intent > > to deceive by appeal to the listener on grounds other than the strict > > logical cogency of the statements being made. A sophist would have you > > believe that the actual logical validity of an argument is irrelevant > > (if not non-existent) because only the ruling audience (think ARBR > > readership) ultimately determines whether a conclusion is considered > > "true" or "false" not. This should all sound very familiar since what > > Dolan is accusing ARBR members of is a virtual self-portrait. How many > > time have I taken him to task over these very issues? I find it most > > amusing that Dolan complains about fact and logic and then denounces > > sophistry which is a distortion of fact and logic. I've siad it > > before. The man is a walking, talking contradiction. The conundrum > > continues. > > Jim is FINALLY beginning to pick up on my humor. I am almost proud of him. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 17 Jan 2007 06:20:39 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168969065.418426.29390@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > [...] > >> Let us say I went back and found the phrase where you tell us that you > >> are > >> not concerned with the group. What would be the upshot of it? We know in > >> advance that you would put a spin on it so that it would not say what it > >> in > >> fact you did say. But I have got a far better idea. Since you like to > >> look > >> up things, you go back and find it yourself. Then bring it to the group > >> so > >> we can all have another look at it and then we shall see who said what. > >> > >> I will not look up shit from previous posts because it is always for > >> nothing. Everyone on this group is a weasel and knows how to slither out > >> of > >> anything. So much for facts, or logic - or anything else for that > >> matter. > > > > I said this matter is no longer open to discussion, but feel that Dolan > > has brought up an issue that requires to be addressed. I contend that > > I wrote nothing that indicated that I had a lack of concern for the > > group ... that for which I was accused. Consequently I cannot FIND > > that which isn't to be found. Besides, in making an accusation, the > > burden of proof rests not with the accused, but with the accuser and > > that would be Ed Dolan. In the absence of evidence the accused is > > exonerated. Ed Dolan has produced no evidence, so I consider myself > > exonerated. > > In other words Jim is not going to go back on the thread and look up > anything either. And why should he? He knows full well what he said and so > do I. But the really important question is - who gives a damn? No one does - > that's who! Well ... Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!. IN OTHER WORDS, I am not about to go looking for that which cannot be found AND, it is not my responsibility to do so. It is ED Dolan's responsibility. In making an accusation, the burden of proof rests not with the accused, but with the accuser. Once again Ed Dolan reiterates an accusation for which he cannot cite a reference. Prove me wrong Mr. Dolan. WHERE'S YOUR PROOF? FACT: The man LIED and repeating the LIE here again does not make the accusation anymore true than it was when said the first time. This is a bad habit of Mr. Dolan's that reveals his lack of fair play, his lack of honesty and undermines his credibility. I would like to seize this opportunity to thank Mr. Dolan for demonstrating his lack of character. > > In answer to Ed's question ... What would be the upshot of it? The > > upshot would be that Dolan will not be able to locate a reference to > > cite or he will locate an obscure phrase taken out of context for which > > with a great deal of distortion will misconstrue its intent. What will > > not occur is admission of wrongdoing and the issue of a retraction. > > Despite his claims to the contrary, Dolan is never wrong (read never > > admits to being wrong). It is his own best interest to pursue this no > > further and that is why to use his words, he ... will not look up shit > > from previous posts. To paraphrase the man, he is a weasel who is > > slithering out of this one, but has not done so very gracefully. > > Caught with his pants down, he has been seen slinking off in > > embarrassment for having blundered. > > Jim is the looker-upper, not I. My Greatness will not permit ME to do > trivial tasks. That is for my inferiors to do. DIVERSION DULY NOTED!!! !!! D O L A N R E P E T I T I T I O N A L E R T !!! ... The cerebrally impotent HEAD Dolan the GRATE contributes nothing which he hasn't already written countless times before. Not a single, original, creative thought ever emanates from his atrophied brain. Regurgitation of time-worm gibberish is the best effort that this doddering old dolt can muster. So feeble is the blustering, decrepit fool that he fails to recognize that there's no compelling reason for recycling his monotonous, repetitious drivel. This puerile geriatric's worthless, rehashed nonsense is a waste of Internet bandwidth, server CPU cycles and archival disk storage. > >> Well, let us see ... Both the Israelis and the Palestinians think they > >> are > >> in possession of the relevant facts as to who should occupy the area that > >> Israel now occupies. And they both can make good logical arguments as to > >> who > >> is right and who is wrong. Any and all outsiders are totally befuddled. > >> Even > >> former President Carter can't think straight on the issue anymore (if he > >> ever could). > > > > This is a particularly poor example because the complexity of the > > dynamics and circumstances are such that the facts are obscured. > > Alas, complexities inhere in all things. Nothing is ever simple - except > certain minds that go on and on about the importance of facts and logic. > > >> I maintain that facts can be argued about endlessly depending on the > >> perspective. The same goes for logic which has never been a reliable > >> guide > >> to good thinking. Scientific facts are somewhat different, but not > >> totally. > >> To be in awe of so-called facts ks you as an ignoramus. > > > > And I maintain that what Dolan maintains is erroneous. A fact is > > information about circumstances that are known to exist or events that > > are known to have occurred. As such, facts are not subject to debate > > and that's a fact ... not an opinion. FACT: Ed Dolan does not know what > > a fact is. His repeated insistence that a fact is arguable is > > definitive proof of this. Dolan continues to misconstrue the none to > > subtle distinction between what constitutes a fact and what constitutes > > an opinion. Dolan never has nor will he ever know the distinction > > between the two. > > You need to get yourself involved in the complexities of the > Israeli-Palestinian issue. There you will discover that no one can agree on > even the simplest of facts. Hells Bells, Tom Sherman thought that what the > Palestinian suicide bombers were doing was no different than what the > Israeli Defense Forces were doing - and Tom Sherman prided himself on his > grasp of facts and logical thinking. After all, he was a civil engineer and > had taken lots of science courses in college. Well, I don't actually. > >> Also, everyone on this group should get acquainted with the concept of > >> sophistry since everyone here reeks of it as do most folks everywhere. > > > > I'll make this easy for the readers. ARBR reeks of sophistry because > > ARBR reeks of DOLAN. Sophistry refers to the "art" of deliberate > > invalid argumentation employing ingenuity in reasoning with the intent > > to deceive by an appeal to the listener on grounds other than the strict > > logical cogency of the statements being made. A sophist would have you > > believe that the actual logical validity of an argument is irrelevant > > (if not non-existent) because only the ruling audience (think ARBR > > readership) ultimately determines whether a conclusion is considered > > "true" or "false". This should all sound very familiar since what Dolan > > is accusing ARBR members of is a virtual self-portrait. How many > > times have I taken him to task over these very issues? I find it most > > amusing that Dolan complains about fact and logic and then denounces > > sophistry which is a distortion of fact and logic. I've said it before. > > The man is a walking, talking contradiction. The conundrum continues. > > Jim is FINALLY beginning to pick up on my humor. I am almost proud of him. To the contrary. This was an explanation of sophistry and an expose of the ultimate sohphist here at ARBR ... Ed Dolan. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 17 Jan 2007 17:30:28 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1169043639.385741.255270@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1168969065.418426.29390@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: >> [...] >> >> Let us say I went back and found the phrase where you tell us that you >> >> are >> >> not concerned with the group. What would be the upshot of it? We know >> >> in >> >> advance that you would put a spin on it so that it would not say what >> >> it >> >> in >> >> fact you did say. But I have got a far better idea. Since you like to >> >> look >> >> up things, you go back and find it yourself. Then bring it to the >> >> group >> >> so >> >> we can all have another look at it and then we shall see who said >> >> what. >> >> >> >> I will not look up shit from previous posts because it is always for >> >> nothing. Everyone on this group is a weasel and knows how to slither >> >> out >> >> of >> >> anything. So much for facts, or logic - or anything else for that >> >> matter. >> > >> > I said this matter is no longer open to discussion, but feel that Dolan >> > has brought up an issue that requires to be addressed. I contend that >> > I wrote nothing that indicated that I had a lack of concern for the >> > group ... that for which I was accused. Consequently I cannot FIND >> > that which isn't to be found. Besides, in making an accusation, the >> > burden of proof rests not with the accused, but with the accuser and >> > that would be Ed Dolan. In the absence of evidence the accused is >> > exonerated. Ed Dolan has produced no evidence, so I consider myself >> > exonerated. >> >> In other words Jim is not going to go back on the thread and look up >> anything either. And why should he? He knows full well what he said and >> so >> do I. But the really important question is - who gives a damn? No one >> does - >> that's who! > > Well ... Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!. IN OTHER WORDS, I am not about > to go looking for that which cannot be found AND, it is not my > responsibility to do so. It is ED Dolan's responsibility. In making > an accusation, the burden of proof rests not with the accused, but with > the accuser. Once again Ed Dolan reiterates an accusation for which he > cannot cite a reference. Prove me wrong Mr. Dolan. WHERE'S YOUR > PROOF? FACT: The man LIED and repeating the LIE here again does not > make the accusation anymore true than it was when said the first time. > This is a bad habit of Mr. Dolan's that reveals his lack of fair play, > his lack of honesty and undermines his credibility. I would like to > seize this opportunity to thank Mr. Dolan for demonstrating his lack of > character. Here is Jim McNaa, the prosecuting attorney! Well, he is always good for a laugh even though extremely tiresome 99% of the time. What will he do when I go back on the thread and find the statement where he said he was not concerned with the group. Well, he will just weasel out of it. Why do you think fools like us bother getting an education in the first place? [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 17 Jan 2007 05:50:55 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168964672.376725.264920@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > [...] > >> I have already expressed to him and to many others on this group that I > >> have > >> a fair amount of contempt for the facts and for logic, such as they exist > >> on > >> this group. I am all about opinion and nothing else. Facts and logic can > >> be > >> argued about just as endlessly as can opinions. I thought everyone knew > >> at > >> least that much. Thus spake Zarathustra. > > > > As concern facts ... Dolan should have chose his words more carefully > > for, ocontempt and FEAR are not synonyms. FACT: Ed Dolan does not know > > what a fact is. His repeated insistence that a fact is arguable is > > definitive proof of this. How many times must this simple concept be > > explained before it is comprehended? > > Here is an unarguable fact for you: Ed Dolan is the most intelligent person > in the known universe; he is also the finest writer in the known universe. > He is way too good for ARBR, that is for sure! Laughable opinion stated as fact. Opinion in the absence of substantiating evidence remains nothing but an opinion and this particular opinion is undoubtedly shared only by the person voicing the opinion. Ed Dolan, by his own admission is all about opinion and is clamorously contemptuous of logic and facts. Dolan emphatically insists upon being unencumbered by logic and unrestrained by facts for two specific, though unexpressed, reasons. Logic is not Dolan's strong suit and fact, by definition, is not subject to debate (read not arguable), which precludes Ed's favorite pastime ... argumentation. Ed is uncomfortable when bound by the confines of logic and fact. So, what's a Dolan to do? Well, argue about opinions, but there's problem with that too. Something cannot be branded "true" or "false", "right" or "wrong" when that something is merely an expression of opinion. Nonetheless this is precisely what Dolan endeavors to do, that is debate the non-debatable ... the opinion itself. What is debatable are particulars such as values, policies, proposals or propositions. What is also debatable is whether Ed Dolan will ever be able to discern the distinction between fact and opinion and determine what is and what is not subject to debate. Undoubtedly, Dolan will reply predictably with incoherent recycled babble to refute as nonsense that which I have said (written), but the only nonsense will be Dolan's response to that which is commonly accepted by persons that are rational, a virtue that Ed Dolan has yet to master. > > Opinions are subject to debate. Facts are NOT! Could this be the > > reason why Dolan hates facts? Undoubtedly. A fact is information > > about circumstances that are known to exist or events that are known to > > have occurred. As such, facts are not subject to debate and that's a > > fact ... not an opinion. Dolan continues to misconstrue the none to > > subtle distinction between what constitutes a fact and what constitutes > > an opinion. Ed's own statements in this regard reflect the obvious. > > Dolan never has nor will he ever know the distinction between the two. > > Facts are boring as are the opinions of all others. Only my own opinons > matter to me! And to you ALONE, no doubt. > > Dolan has contempt for facts and logic, simply because he finds it more > > difficult to play the role of the "teflon man" when facts and logic come > > into play . He abhors being confined by that which makes him > > uncomfortable ... facts and logic. Facts and logic simply provide far > > too little wiggle room for the "teflon man". For Dolan, an argument > > over a difference of opinion is a preferable combative arena because it > > is difficult to challenge and prove wrong an opinion. Dolan takes > > solace from this because he is less likely to be proven fallible ... a > > frailty of be human condition that he cannot possibly admit to himself > > or to anyone else. I know it. He knows it and the readership knows it > > too.. > > Facts are boring as are the opinions of all others. Only my own opinons > matter to me! How telling ... how egocentric. - Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 17 Jan 2007 08:11:01 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1169041855.412127.292110@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> Here is an unarguable fact for you: Ed Dolan is the most intelligent >> person >> in the known universe; he is also the finest writer in the known >> universe. >> He is way too good for ARBR, that is for sure! > > Laughable opinion stated as fact. Opinion in the absence of > substantiating evidence remains nothing but an opinion and this > particular opinion is undoubtedly shared only by the person voicing the > opinion. But only my own opinions matter to me! They are mostly based on facts as I PERCEIVE them. But I must admit a lot of a priori thinking goes into everything also. Why limit yourself like scientists do? > Ed Dolan, by his own admission is all about opinion and is clamorously > contemptuous of logic and facts. Dolan emphatically insists upon being > unencumbered by logic and unrestrained by facts for two specific, > though unexpressed, reasons. Logic is not Dolan's strong suit and > fact, by definition, is not subject to debate (read not arguable), > which precludes Ed's favorite pastime ... argumentation. Yet, I am able to outthink Jim regularly on everything. And I say it so much better too. Life is so unfair! Ed is > uncomfortable when bound by the confines of logic and fact. So, what's > a Dolan to do? Well, argue about opinions, but there's problem with > that too. Something cannot be branded "true" or "false", "right" or > "wrong" when that something is merely an expression of opinion. > Nonetheless this is precisely what Dolan endeavors to do, that is > debate the non-debatable ... the opinion itself. What is debatable are > particulars such as values, policies, proposals or propositions. What > is also debatable is whether Ed Dolan will ever be able to discern the > distinction between fact and opinion and determine what is and what is > not subject to debate. Undoubtedly, Dolan will reply predictably with > incoherent recycled babble to refute as nonsense that which I have said > (written), but the only nonsense will be Dolan's response to that which > is commonly accepted by persons that are rational, a virtue that Ed > Dolan has yet to master. Jim imagines himself back in his college philosophy classes! Now you began to understand why I never bothered with the Ph.D. degree. I did not want to become an academic who did not know his ass from a hole in the ground. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 17 Jan 2007 05:36:35 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168961523.159482.171130@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1168867393.746629.72320@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> > > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> [...] > >> >> What? STILL no comment from Wayne Leggett, the poet of shit and piss > >> >> and > >> >> ass > >> >> and fuck, on your modest efforts at verse to date? > >> > > >> > Apparently, for some strange reason, this matters to Ed far more that > >> > it does me. I don't need someone elses approval for validation and > >> > satisfaction. Ed must have been neglected horribly in that regard in > >> > his early childhood. > >> > >> I have advised Wayne Leggett in another post to get back to you forthwith > >> with some approval so that you don't wither and die on the vine pining > >> away > >> for some affirmation. Even poor pathetic trolls deserve some > >> consideration. > > > > Dolan is a master of giving unasked for, unwanted and unheeded advise, > > like Wayne, or anyone else, needs advice from Dolan. It' should be > > apparent that either Dolan did not read what I wrote before responding > > or his reading comprehension skills are failing him. He made a quantum > > leap to come to a conclusion that does not follow from the premise. > > Dolan just loves the logical fallacy Non Sequitor. He employs it a > > that a lot. His invalid assertion aside, in the post to which he > > refers, I stated ... This is so obvious that it almost goes without > > saying. If Wayne wants to offer an opinion, he will. If he doesn't, > > he won't. Ed will just have to accept that. Besides, unlike Ed, don't > > require recognition from others to validate what I've done or garner a > > sense of accomplishment to bolster my self esteem. My ego just isn't > > fragile like Dolan's. > > Nonsense! Wayne is a wordsmith in ways that you and I are not. Surely you > are interested in what he thinks of your verse. He is a self-absorbed > bastard not to tell you! After all, poets are few and far between. Of > course, I realize that if he was the least bit critical of you, then you > would have to stalk him the same way you stalk ANYONE who is critical of > you. It can't be much fun to be you! > [...] Opinion stated as fact. > >> Very wise of you not to go and on about the virutes of fornication. > > > > This is yet another instance for which Dolan cannot cite a reference in > > support of an accusation that he has made. I never extolled the > > virtues of fornication. Besides sex is not all about procreation > > regardless of what Dolan has to say in the matter. Sex is pleasurable > > for a reason. If it were not pleasurable, there would be far less > > procreation. Furthermore, sex between ital partners for the purpose > > of expressing love and enjoying pleasure, without the intention of > > procreation, is not fornication by definition. Look it up Conan the > > Librarian. > > I had a sociology professor who tried to explain it that way too. I thought > he was absurd just as I think you are absurd. If sex is pleasurable, it is > just for one reason - to make damn sure that some procreation gets > accomplished. Thus spake Zarathustra. The professor was a professor for good reason. I thank Ed for agreeing with me for once. - Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 17 Jan 2007 05:36:03 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168961523.159482.171130@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > >> news:1168867393.746629.72320@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > >> > > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: > >> [...] > >> >> What? STILL no comment from Wayne Leggett, the poet of shit and piss > >> >> and > >> >> ass > >> >> and fuck, on your modest efforts at verse to date? > >> > > >> > Apparently, for some strange reason, this matters to Ed far more that > >> > it does me. I don't need someone elses approval for validation and > >> > satisfaction. Ed must have been neglected horribly in that regard in > >> > his early childhood. > >> > >> I have advised Wayne Leggett in another post to get back to you forthwith > >> with some approval so that you don't wither and die on the vine pining > >> away > >> for some affirmation. Even poor pathetic trolls deserve some > >> consideration. > > > > Dolan is a master of giving unasked for, unwanted and unheeded advise, > > like Wayne, or anyone else, needs advice from Dolan. It' should be > > apparent that either Dolan did not read what I wrote before responding > > or his reading comprehension skills are failing him. He made a quantum > > leap to come to a conclusion that does not follow from the premise. > > Dolan just loves the logical fallacy Non Sequitor. He employs it a > > that a lot. His invalid assertion aside, in the post to which he > > refers, I stated ... This is so obvious that it almost goes without > > saying. If Wayne wants to offer an opinion, he will. If he doesn't, > > he won't. Ed will just have to accept that. Besides, unlike Ed, don't > > require recognition from others to validate what I've done or garner a > > sense of accomplishment to bolster my self esteem. My ego just isn't > > fragile like Dolan's. > > Nonsense! Wayne is a wordsmith in ways that you and I are not. Surely you > are interested in what he thinks of your verse. He is a self-absorbed > bastard not to tell you! After all, poets are few and far between. Of > course, I realize that if he was the least bit critical of you, then you > would have to stalk him the same way you stalk ANYONE who is critical of > you. It can't be much fun to be you! > [...] Opinion stated as fact. > >> Very wise of you not to go and on about the virutes of fornication. > > > > This is yet another instance for which Dolan cannot cite a reference in > > support of an accusation that he has made. I never extolled the > > virtues of fornication. Besides sex is not all about procreation > > regardless of what Dolan has to say in the matter. Sex is pleasurable > > for a reason. If it were not pleasurable, there would be far less > > procreation. Furthermore, sex between ital partners for the purpose > > of expressing love and enjoying pleasure, without the intention of > > procreation, is not fornication by definition. Look it up Conan the > > Librarian. > > I had a sociology professor who tried to explain it that way too. I thought > he was absurd just as I think you are absurd. If sex is pleasurable, it is > just for one reason - to make damn sure that some procreation gets > accomplished. Thus spake Zarathustra. The professor was a professor for good reason. I thank Ed for agreeing with me for once. - Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 07 Jan 2007 21:20:58 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste I think we are basically in agreement. Since Ed doesn't fight fairly, however, I have chosen not to fight with him at all. I think that if nobody fought with him at all, his fighting would diminish. He is very good at pushing people's buttons, however, so it is likely that there will always be someone to fight with him. Would we be better off without him? Well maybe but the essence of unmoderated news groups is that anyone with a computer can post to them. Some people have expressed the idea that since there is so much talk about and by Ed on topics unrelated to recumbent cycling, that the group isn't worth reading. Anyone who chooses to can do the following: 1. post something on-topic (unlike the nonsense that I'm posting now) 2. filter out most of the off topic stuff I understand the frustration that many feel with the overbearing behavior and pontification that is Ed but it is my belief that the best way to minimize it is to ignore it. Arguing with him keeps him going. The troll did nothing to diminish him (and he has done nothing to diminish the troll). Regardless of what you or I do, Ed will be Ed. This is the reason that I have been silent. I never stopped reading the group but I knew that there was nothing I had to add that was of any value. So my advice to you (not that you asked for any) is to ignore Ed's rants. Only respond to his on-topic posts and then stay on topic. This group is his soapbox. Do what you would do with anyone on a soapbox that you don't agree with. Stop listening. Certainly don't try to reason or argue with someone you know can't be reasoned with. Jeff "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168213562.207721.14840@42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com... > > Jeff Grippe wrote: >> Top post, no problem. >> >> Jim, >> >> Just so we get my POV correct, however, the behavior of Ed Gin is >> completely >> unacceptable. The behavior of ED is simply ED doing what ED does. I have >> no >> problem with self-expression that I don't happen to agree with. >> >> As many people have pointed out, there are mechanisms available to filter >> out ED's posting if that is what you want to do. >> >> I stand by my description of the cause/effect relationship but I also >> believe that Ed Gin (or whoever it is) has crossed a line that ED has >> not. >> >> Most of the time I have said that it is my opinion that ED is welcome. I >> don't feel that way about the ST. There is a line that ST has crossed >> that >> ED has not. >> >> Jeff >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1168019126.443635.92210@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... >> > Jeff, >> > >> > Pardon the top post. I have to agree with virtually all you have had >> > to say with but a singular exception. If the group has become what Ed >> > Dolan has made it and the spamming posts are a reaction to what he >> > created and without him there would be no such postings, that doesn't >> > account for why I am also the focus and target of these posts >> > especially since I was if anything an adversary of Dolan's and even >> > defended Ed Gin when Dolan asserted that Ed Gin's website hosted >> > pornographic images when it most assuredly did not.. >> > >> > Jim McNaa >> > >> > Jeff Grippe wrote: >> >> To Ed, >> >> >> >> For a long time I have taken the position that you should be welcomed >> >> to >> >> this group. Actually my position has been that everyone should be >> >> welcome. I >> >> don't really think that has changed. However, >> >> >> >> It is difficult to imagine that you can not see that group has become >> >> what >> >> you have made of it. >> >> >> >> You have taken pride in being the "All Time Poster" in terms of number >> >> of >> >> messages. I think that means that you have left a pretty big stamp on >> >> the >> >> group. jwold, Ed Gin, or whatever his (or her) name is, is a reaction >> >> to >> >> what you have created. Without Ed Dolan there would be no jwold >> >> postings. >> >> >> >> While the idea of "Fight Fire With Fire" is a well know cliche, when >> >> you >> >> actually do it, you end up with a bigger fire. If it is fire you want >> >> then >> >> it is fire you've got. But don't pretend that you have nothing to do >> >> with >> >> it. >> >> >> >> If the group happens to be composed of mostly liberals then that is >> >> what >> >> the >> >> group is made up of. It really isn't your place to decide what points >> >> of >> >> view are welcome and what points of view are not. >> >> >> >> What this group has become is what you, the all time, number one >> >> poster, >> >> has >> >> made it. >> >> >> >> I am certain that you will respond to this post as you respond to just >> >> about >> >> everything. >> >> >> >> For the record, I have no intention of carrying on a dialog with you >> >> about >> >> the point's I've raised in this posting. It is a pointless exercise as >> >> is >> >> this message itself I suppose. This means that I will not respond to >> >> anything that you answer and I don't think I'll start another thread >> >> since I >> >> don't have anything else to add. >> >> >> >> As I always have (and always will), I wish you well. >> >> >> >> Jeff > > > Jeff, > > For the most part, you're preachin' to the choir. No arguments here > cconcerning the spamming troll(s) crossing the line and the law for > that matter, including two felony counts. As concerns Dolan, he is > just what and who he is just doing what he takes pleasure in doing, but > contrary to his belief, if you can believe what Ed contends, I dont' > feel that he serves a worthwhile purpose in so doing. He can be rude, > obnoxious, insulting and disruptive and there are times when I feel > ARBR would be a much better place without him, but you already know > that from my posts in the past. Ed's a bright enough and educated > enough guy who could probably be of some benefit if he wasn't so hard > headed in his opinions and so misguided in his objectives. On the > other hand, there is a world of difference between the two Ed's if > indeed Gin is behind any of this nonsense. Dolan's mock threats aren't > to be taken seriously with or without shotgun in hand, but the garbage > that has been spewed by the cowardly spamming troll(s) is insufferable, > inappropriate and condemnable. To his credit, at least Dolan uses his > real name and real email address. He doesn't hide behind a proxy > server and slink on off to a public library to make post for fear of > retaliation or reprisal. What it takes to do what the spaming troll(s) > have shamefully done is a complete and total lack of balls. > > Jim McNaa >       Date: 08 Jan 2007 01:16:10 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:12q3ak7ous3m5b7@news.supernews.com... ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! >I think we are basically in agreement. > > Since Ed doesn't fight fairly, however, I have chosen not to fight with > him at all. I think that if nobody fought with him at all, his fighting > would diminish. He is very good at pushing people's buttons, however, so > it is likely that there will always be someone to fight with him. That is a very old saw that someone with whom you disagree does not fight fairly. > Would we be better off without him? Well maybe but the essence of > unmoderated news groups is that anyone with a computer can post to them. > > Some people have expressed the idea that since there is so much talk about > and by Ed on topics unrelated to recumbent cycling, that the group isn't > worth reading. > > Anyone who chooses to can do the following: > 1. post something on-topic (unlike the nonsense that I'm posting now) > 2. filter out most of the off topic stuff > > I understand the frustration that many feel with the overbearing behavior > and pontification that is Ed but it is my belief that the best way to > minimize it is to ignore it. Arguing with him keeps him going. The troll > did nothing to diminish him (and he has done nothing to diminish the > troll). Regardless of what you or I do, Ed will be Ed. This is the reason > that I have been silent. I never stopped reading the group but I knew that > there was nothing I had to add that was of any value. It is difficult indeed to make much headway when you are up against a gigantic intellect such as mine. > So my advice to you (not that you asked for any) is to ignore Ed's rants. > Only respond to his on-topic posts and then stay on topic. This group is > his soapbox. Do what you would do with anyone on a soapbox that you don't > agree with. Stop listening. Certainly don't try to reason or argue with > someone you know can't be reasoned with. Jim likes to stalk me and never has much to say about any of my content. By the way, I am the soul of reason, but I am not politically correct about anything. I make it a point NOT to be politically correct. You should try it sometime yourself. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 08 Jan 2007 04:59:28 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste > That is a very old saw that someone with whom you disagree does not fight > fairly. > Well we could have that discussion again but it is in the archives. > > It is difficult indeed to make much headway when you are up against a > gigantic intellect such as mine. > ibid > By the way, I am the soul of reason, but I am not politically correct > about anything. I make it a point NOT to be politically correct. You > should try it sometime yourself. > ibid   Date: 05 Jan 2007 09:45:26 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Jeff, Pardon the top post. I have to agree with virtually all you have had to say with but a singular exception. If the group has become what Ed Dolan has made it and the spamming posts are a reaction to what he created and without him there would be no such postings, that doesn't account for why I am also the focus and target of these posts especially since I was if anything an adversary of Dolan's and even defended Ed Gin when Dolan asserted that Ed Gin's website hosted pornographic images when it most assuredly did not.. Jim McNaa Jeff Grippe wrote: > To Ed, > > For a long time I have taken the position that you should be welcomed to > this group. Actually my position has been that everyone should be welcome. I > don't really think that has changed. However, > > It is difficult to imagine that you can not see that group has become what > you have made of it. > > You have taken pride in being the "All Time Poster" in terms of number of > messages. I think that means that you have left a pretty big stamp on the > group. jwold, Ed Gin, or whatever his (or her) name is, is a reaction to > what you have created. Without Ed Dolan there would be no jwold postings. > > While the idea of "Fight Fire With Fire" is a well know cliche, when you > actually do it, you end up with a bigger fire. If it is fire you want then > it is fire you've got. But don't pretend that you have nothing to do with > it. > > If the group happens to be composed of mostly liberals then that is what the > group is made up of. It really isn't your place to decide what points of > view are welcome and what points of view are not. > > What this group has become is what you, the all time, number one poster, has > made it. > > I am certain that you will respond to this post as you respond to just about > everything. > > For the record, I have no intention of carrying on a dialog with you about > the point's I've raised in this posting. It is a pointless exercise as is > this message itself I suppose. This means that I will not respond to > anything that you answer and I don't think I'll start another thread since I > don't have anything else to add. > > As I always have (and always will), I wish you well. > > Jeff     Date: 05 Jan 2007 21:23:46 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Top post, no problem. Jim, Just so we get my POV correct, however, the behavior of Ed Gin is completely unacceptable. The behavior of ED is simply ED doing what ED does. I have no problem with self-expression that I don't happen to agree with. As many people have pointed out, there are mechanisms available to filter out ED's posting if that is what you want to do. I stand by my description of the cause/effect relationship but I also believe that Ed Gin (or whoever it is) has crossed a line that ED has not. Most of the time I have said that it is my opinion that ED is welcome. I don't feel that way about the ST. There is a line that ST has crossed that ED has not. Jeff "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168019126.443635.92210@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > Jeff, > > Pardon the top post. I have to agree with virtually all you have had > to say with but a singular exception. If the group has become what Ed > Dolan has made it and the spamming posts are a reaction to what he > created and without him there would be no such postings, that doesn't > account for why I am also the focus and target of these posts > especially since I was if anything an adversary of Dolan's and even > defended Ed Gin when Dolan asserted that Ed Gin's website hosted > pornographic images when it most assuredly did not.. > > Jim McNaa > > Jeff Grippe wrote: >> To Ed, >> >> For a long time I have taken the position that you should be welcomed to >> this group. Actually my position has been that everyone should be >> welcome. I >> don't really think that has changed. However, >> >> It is difficult to imagine that you can not see that group has become >> what >> you have made of it. >> >> You have taken pride in being the "All Time Poster" in terms of number of >> messages. I think that means that you have left a pretty big stamp on the >> group. jwold, Ed Gin, or whatever his (or her) name is, is a reaction to >> what you have created. Without Ed Dolan there would be no jwold postings. >> >> While the idea of "Fight Fire With Fire" is a well know cliche, when you >> actually do it, you end up with a bigger fire. If it is fire you want >> then >> it is fire you've got. But don't pretend that you have nothing to do with >> it. >> >> If the group happens to be composed of mostly liberals then that is what >> the >> group is made up of. It really isn't your place to decide what points of >> view are welcome and what points of view are not. >> >> What this group has become is what you, the all time, number one poster, >> has >> made it. >> >> I am certain that you will respond to this post as you respond to just >> about >> everything. >> >> For the record, I have no intention of carrying on a dialog with you >> about >> the point's I've raised in this posting. It is a pointless exercise as is >> this message itself I suppose. This means that I will not respond to >> anything that you answer and I don't think I'll start another thread >> since I >> don't have anything else to add. >> >> As I always have (and always will), I wish you well. >> >> Jeff >       Date: 16 Jan 2007 08:24:34 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168868922.635223.304840@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > [...] > >> Poor Jim flunked all of his philosphy courses at college. But those > >> Catholic > >> colleges are all stuck on scholastic nonsense from the Middle Ages. Logic > >> 101 anyone? > > > > Diversion duly noted. This is the best that Dolan can do when > > confronted by irrefutable logic. Logic 101 anyone? How about Dolan? > > This is a course that Dolan could profit from enrolling in. Perhaps > > then he'd not come off looking like such a fool. I didn't flunk a > > single philosophy class. I accumulated almost enough hours for > > philosophy to have been my major and did well in all my philosophy > > courses. If Ed has a problem with a liberal arts education from a > > respected University, that' s his problem to wrestle with. > > Jim is just about the funniest fellow I know. That is because is never knows > when his leg is being pulled. He is oblivious to it. I supposed if I accused > him of beating his wife, he would feel the need to deny it! Although I realized my leg was being pulled, I still chose to address the accusation to ensure that no one took Ed at his word unchallenged. In retrospect, I agree with Ed. I needn't have responded as I did since few, if any, take Dolan at his word. > I have already expressed to him and to many others on this group that I have > a fair amount of contempt for the facts and for logic, such as they exist on > this group. I am all about opinion and nothing else. Facts and logic can be > argued about just as endlessly as can opinions. I thought everyone knew at > least that much. Thus spake Zarathustra. As concern facts ... Dolan should have chose his words more carefully for, ocontempt and FEAR are not synonyms. FACT: Ed Dolan does not know what a fact is. His repeated insistence that a fact is arguable is definitive proof of this. How many times must this simple concept be explained before it is comprehended? Opinions are subject to debate. Facts are NOT! Could this be the reason why Dolan hates facts? Undoubtedly. A fact is information about circumstances that are known to exist or events that are known to have occurred. As such, facts are not subject to debate and that's a fact ... not an opinion. Dolan continues to misconstrue the none to subtle distinction between what constitutes a fact and what constitutes an opinion. Ed's own statements in this regard reflect the obvious. Dolan never has nor will he ever know the distinction between the two. Dolan has contempt for facts and logic, simply because he finds it more difficult to play the role of the "teflon man" when facts and logic ome into play . He abhors being confined by that which makes him uncomfortable ... facts and logic. Facts and logic simply provide far too little wiggle room for the "teflon man". For Dolan, an argument over a difference of opinion is a preferable combative arena because it is difficult to challenge and prove wrong an opinion. Dolan takes solace from this because he is less likely to be proven fallible ... a frailty of be human condition that he cannot possibly admit to himself or to anyone else. I know it. He knows it and the readership knows it too.. Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 17 Jan 2007 05:34:51 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168964672.376725.264920@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: [...] >> I have already expressed to him and to many others on this group that I >> have >> a fair amount of contempt for the facts and for logic, such as they exist >> on >> this group. I am all about opinion and nothing else. Facts and logic can >> be >> argued about just as endlessly as can opinions. I thought everyone knew >> at >> least that much. Thus spake Zarathustra. > > As concern facts ... Dolan should have chose his words more carefully > for, ocontempt and FEAR are not synonyms. FACT: Ed Dolan does not know > what a fact is. His repeated insistence that a fact is arguable is > definitive proof of this. How many times must this simple concept be > explained before it is comprehended? Here is an unarguable fact for you: Ed Dolan is the most intelligent person in the known universe; he is also the finest writer in the known universe. He is way too good for ARBR, that is for sure! > Opinions are subject to debate. Facts are NOT! Could this be the > reason why Dolan hates facts? Undoubtedly. A fact is information > about circumstances that are known to exist or events that are known to > have occurred. As such, facts are not subject to debate and that's a > fact ... not an opinion. Dolan continues to misconstrue the none to > subtle distinction between what constitutes a fact and what constitutes > an opinion. Ed's own statements in this regard reflect the obvious. > Dolan never has nor will he ever know the distinction between the two. Facts are boring as are the opinions of all others. Only my own opinons matter to me! > Dolan has contempt for facts and logic, simply because he finds it more > difficult to play the role of the "teflon man" when facts and logic ome > into play . He abhors being confined by that which makes him > uncomfortable ... facts and logic. Facts and logic simply provide far > too little wiggle room for the "teflon man". For Dolan, an argument > over a difference of opinion is a preferable combative arena because it > is difficult to challenge and prove wrong an opinion. Dolan takes > solace from this because he is less likely to be proven fallible ... a > frailty of be human condition that he cannot possibly admit to himself > or to anyone else. I know it. He knows it and the readership knows it > too.. Facts are boring as are the opinions of all others. Only my own opinons matter to me! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota       Date: 16 Jan 2007 07:32:03 From: JimmyMac Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Edward Dolan wrote: > "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1168867393.746629.72320@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > > > Edward Dolan wrote: > [...] > >> What? STILL no comment from Wayne Leggett, the poet of shit and piss and > >> ass > >> and fuck, on your modest efforts at verse to date? > > > > Apparently, for some strange reason, this matters to Ed far more that > > it does me. I don't need someone elses approval for validation and > > satisfaction. Ed must have been neglected horribly in that regard in > > his early childhood. > > I have advised Wayne Leggett in another post to get back to you forthwith > with some approval so that you don't wither and die on the vine pining away > for some affirmation. Even poor pathetic trolls deserve some consideration. Dolan is a mster of giving unasked for, unwanted and uneeded advise, like Wayne, or anyone else, needs advice from Dolan. It' should be apparent that either Dolan did not read what I wrote before responding or his reading comprehension skills are failing him. He made a quantum leap to come to a conclusion that does not follow from the premise. Dolan just loves the logical fallacy Non Sequitor. He employs it a that a lot. His invalid assertion aside, in the post to which he refers, I stated ... This is so obvious that it almost goes without saying. If Wayne wants to offer an opinion, he will. If he doesn't, he won't. Ed will just have to accept that. Besides, unlike Ed, don't require recognition from others to validate what I've done or garner a sense of accomplishment to bolster my self esteem. My ego just isn't fragile like Dolan's. > >> >> > There's a TROLL from Minnesota > >> >> > Who's opine matters not one iota > >> >> > The objections he's heard > >> >> > But he remains undeterred > >> >> > > >> >> > A librarian by trade > >> >> > Whose had never been laid > >> >> > His sole intercourse > >> >> > Is Usenet discourse > >> >> > >> >> Sexual intercourse is not about being laid. It is about procreating, > >> >> i.e., > >> >> bringing another human being into the world with all that that > >> >> entails. > >> >> Even > >> >> though I am not religious, I damn all secularists to Hell and back for > >> >> their > >> >> immorality. > >> > > >> > It must be hell to hold such a view knowing that a member of the same > >> > sex cannot conceive! > >> > >> Like all secularists, you talked about getting laid, not about > >> conceiving. > >> Jeff Grippe is another asshole like you who thinks getting laid is what > >> life > >> is all about. The two of you should get together and do a bisexual thing > >> if > >> you can find some whore who will accommodate you. > >> [...] > > > > I seem to have struck a nerve in the queen's closet. > > Very wise of you not to go and on about the virutes of fornication. This is yet another instance for which Dolan cannot cite a reference in support of an accusation that he has made. I never extolled the virtues of fornication. Beside,s sex is not all about procreation regardless of what Dolan has to say in the matter. Sex is pleasurable for a reason. If it were not pleasurable, there would be far less procreation. Furthermore, sex between ital partners for the purpose of expressing love and enjoying pleasure, without the intention of procreation, is not fornication by definition. Look it up Conan the Librarian. > >> >> > His advice is regurged > >> >> > But ignored are his words > >> >> > He's deaf to requests > >> >> > To abandon his quest > >> >> > > >> >> > He rants and he raves > >> >> >>From the bowels of his cave > >> >> > His opinions don't matter > >> >> > He is a mad hatter > >> >> > > >> >> > The day will come to pass > >> >> > The troll will breathe his lasts > >> >> > Then things will settle down > >> >> > In the absence of the clown > >> >> > >> >> Jim, you will have to work on your punctuation if you expect to hear > >> >> from > >> >> Wayne Leggett. But I must say, I like your verse much better than his. > >> >> It > >> >> just reads better. > >> > > >> > Apparently Ed, though a retired librarian[,] know [s] nothing of > >> > literary > >> > liecence [license]. Pershap [Perhaps] he never read e.e. cummings, who > >> > never even emloyed [employed] > >> > an upper case "i" [.] > > > > He's found his niche as editor (typo/spell checker). Lets all hope Ed > > concentrates on this new endeavor than on the monotonous crusade we've > > all become all too familiar with. I'd bee glad to kontribute mower if > > dat wood help sum. > > Not all your errors are typos by any means. Some are words wrongly used. Obviously Dolan did not understand my tongue in cheek intent. Now how did that Tom Jones song go ... I's not unusual! Jim McNaa > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 17 Jan 2007 05:25:54 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com > wrote in message news:1168961523.159482.171130@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: >> "JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> news:1168867393.746629.72320@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> > >> > Edward Dolan wrote: >> [...] >> >> What? STILL no comment from Wayne Leggett, the poet of shit and piss >> >> and >> >> ass >> >> and fuck, on your modest efforts at verse to date? >> > >> > Apparently, for some strange reason, this matters to Ed far more that >> > it does me. I don't need someone elses approval for validation and >> > satisfaction. Ed must have been neglected horribly in that regard in >> > his early childhood. >> >> I have advised Wayne Leggett in another post to get back to you forthwith >> with some approval so that you don't wither and die on the vine pining >> away >> for some affirmation. Even poor pathetic trolls deserve some >> consideration. > > Dolan is a mster of giving unasked for, unwanted and uneeded advise, > like Wayne, or anyone else, needs advice from Dolan. It' should be > apparent that either Dolan did not read what I wrote before responding > or his reading comprehension skills are failing him. He made a quantum > leap to come to a conclusion that does not follow from the premise. > Dolan just loves the logical fallacy Non Sequitor. He employs it a > that a lot. His invalid assertion aside, in the post to which he > refers, I stated ... This is so obvious that it almost goes without > saying. If Wayne wants to offer an opinion, he will. If he doesn't, > he won't. Ed will just have to accept that. Besides, unlike Ed, don't > require recognition from others to validate what I've done or garner a > sense of accomplishment to bolster my self esteem. My ego just isn't > fragile like Dolan's. Nonsense! Wayne is a wordsmith in ways that you and I are not. Surely you are interested in what he thinks of your verse. He is a self-absorbed bastard not to tell you! After all, poets are few and far between. Of course, I realize that if he was the least bit critical of you, then you would have to stalk him the same way you stalk ANYONE who is critical of you. It can't be much fun to be you! [...] >> Very wise of you not to go and on about the virutes of fornication. > > This is yet another instance for which Dolan cannot cite a reference in > support of an accusation that he has made. I never extolled the > virtues of fornication. Beside,s sex is not all about procreation > regardless of what Dolan has to say in the matter. Sex is pleasurable > for a reason. If it were not pleasurable, there would be far less > procreation. Furthermore, sex between ital partners for the purpose > of expressing love and enjoying pleasure, without the intention of > procreation, is not fornication by definition. Look it up Conan the > Librarian. I had a sociology professor who tried to explain it that way too. I thought he was absurd just as I think you are absurd. If sex is pleasurable, it is just for one reason - to make damn sure that some procreation gets accomplished. Thus spake Zarathustra. [...] Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 05 Jan 2007 07:33:34 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:12pr4rfdietbt15@news.supernews.com... [...] > It is difficult to imagine that you can not see that group has become what > you have made of it. [...] > What this group has become is what you, the all time, number one poster, > has made it. Jeff Grippe is a very funny fellow indeed. Let's have a look at this newsgroup for a moment from my perspective. It is mostly made up of working class slobs who are not in the least intellectual. I have made allowances for this and cut everyone a lot of slack on this issue. After all there is nothing wrong with being a working class slob. Hells Bells, it is what makes the world go around. A working class slob is a hundred times more important than I am. But I am not a working class slob. I am an intellectual. I live in the mind and for the mind. What I bring to this newsgroup is priceless if you had the wit to appreciate it. Yes, I am off-topic most of the time, but I add interest to what would otherwise be a very dull newsgroup. After all, there is only so much that can be said about recumbent bicycles. Truth to tell, I am always amazed at how little working class slobs appreciate intellectuals like me. Jeff Grippe is a New York Jew and I expect more of him than I do the rest of you. Why he does not appreciate me more than he does is a very great mystery to me. That he would equate me with the SPAMMING TROLL is the ultimate insult. Jeff Grippe needs to reexamine his perspective on this newsgroup. I am contentious because I believe that is the only way to get the old mental juices flowing. I will often say things that even I don't believe just to get a rise out of someone - anyone! Damn it all to hell, don't you just hate boring posts that say nothing? Let us all try to say something and let the chips fall where they may. We will all of us be dead soon enough and food for worms, but let's have some fun while we are still alive. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 05 Jan 2007 21:17:24 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste > Why he does not appreciate me more than he does is a very great mystery to > me. That he would equate me with the SPAMMING TROLL is the ultimate > insult. Jeff Grippe needs to reexamine his perspective on this newsgroup. I said I wouldn't carry on a discussion about this. Add liar to my list of qualities. For the record, I appreciate you quite a bit as I've often said. I do not equate you with the SPAMMING TROLL. Regarding the SPAMMING TROLL: I find the actions of the person who has been posting your and Jim's addresses to be completely deplorable. His behavior is completely and utterly unacceptable. He is pointlessly vulgar and serves no other function than to irritate. I would like him to stop what he is doing. Regarding you: At times I wish you were more civil and willing to engage in real dialog but it is fine with me if you do what you do. I've stopped responding to most of what you post. What I said and I stand by is that the ST is a reaction to what you have posted. It is a cause and effect relationship. However, there is nothing that you've ever said that justifies this type of response. In Sumy: 1. Your behavior lead to the ST 2. The ST's behavior is despicable and should be condemned by all 3. Your behavior is just you being you which has always been fine with me. In case the ST decides that I now belong in his sites, I am... Jeff Grippe 23 Chesley Road White Plains, NY 10605       Date: 08 Jan 2007 00:53:06 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:12pu1hu3rdsbs81@news.supernews.com... Edward Dolan wrote: >> Why he [Jeff Grippe] does not appreciate me more than he does is a very >> great mystery to me. That he would equate me with the SPAMMING TROLL is >> the ultimate insult. Jeff Grippe needs to reexamine his perspective on >> this newsgroup. > > > I said I wouldn't carry on a discussion about this. Add liar to my list of > qualities. > > For the record, I appreciate you quite a bit as I've often said. > > I do not equate you with the SPAMMING TROLL. > > Regarding the SPAMMING TROLL: I find the actions of the person who has > been posting your and Jim's addresses to be completely deplorable. His > behavior is completely and utterly unacceptable. He is pointlessly vulgar > and serves no other function than to irritate. I would like him to stop > what he is doing. But Jeff, you are now one of the very few who has said that - and it needs to be said often and forcefully. If good men say nothing then evil men prevail. The other stalwarts of ARBR say nothing about the SPAMMING TROLL. Their silence is deafening to me! > Regarding you: At times I wish you were more civil and willing to engage > in real dialog but it is fine with me if you do what you do. I've stopped > responding to most of what you post. But don't you miss the intellectual stimulation? As you know, I love to argue with New York Jews. > What I said and I stand by is that the ST is a reaction to what you have > posted. It is a cause and effect relationship. However, there is nothing > that you've ever said that justifies this type of response. > > In Sumy: > 1. Your behavior lead to the ST I disagree. The ST would do what he does regardless of me. He did it to Jim McNaa some years ago too without any provocation whatsoever. > 2. The ST's behavior is despicable and should be condemned by all > 3. Your behavior is just you being you which has always been fine with me. > > In case the ST decides that I now belong in his sites [sights], I am... > > Jeff Grippe > 23 Chesley Road > White Plains, NY 10605 Jeff, I NOW do have some second thoughts myself about NOT being known because of various scoundrels and knaves that regularly show up on newsgroups. Words can't hurt me, but still they can be a nuisance from time to time. When I was in New York I only made it to the Bronx just once. I wanted to see the Grand Concourse. It was still Grand but starting to look a bit run down. This was in the 1960's. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 08 Jan 2007 04:53:43 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste > But don't you miss the intellectual stimulation? As you know, I love to > argue with New York Jews. > What intellectual stimulation? You don't stimulate, you pontificate. You are like a book. Everything you are going to say you have said before. I have read the book of Ed Dolan many times. The result of debating you will be nothing new and so no intellectual stimulation will take place. If I found you intellectually stimulating you would have heard a lot more from me over the past few years.           Date: 10 Jan 2007 07:03:51 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:12q454m3t0eccf8@news.supernews.com... Edward Dolan wrote: >> But don't you miss the intellectual stimulation? As you know, I love to >> argue with New York Jews. >> > > What intellectual stimulation? You don't stimulate, you pontificate. You > are like a book. Everything you are going to say you have said before. I > have read the book of Ed Dolan many times. The result of debating you will > be nothing new and so no intellectual stimulation will take place. If I > found you intellectually stimulating you would have heard a lot more from > me over the past few years. Jeff Grippe, like all Jews, is licentious, especially with respect to sex. Ed Dolan, even though he is of Irish ancestry and of Catholic heritage, is really a Puritanical Protestant. Therein lies all the conflict. I abhor all licentiousness even though that is the way America is going. Jewish licentiousness is especially revolting to me. I have noted that even the most orthodox of Jews have a roving eye. It apparently comes with the religion. I am your eternal enemy on the field of sexual morality. It has always struck me as very peculiar that the Jews can be so obsessed with other forms of morality, but be so blind when it comes to sexual morality. If it feels good, then it must be good? We Puritans disagree most violently with those kind of sentiments. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota PS. By the way, I too have never gotten any intellectual stimulation via this newsgroup. Everyone is way too stupid to ever have that effect on me. Even Tom Sherman turned out to be nothing but an ideologue. Hells Bells, I would rather talk to the wall than talk to him.             Date: 10 Jan 2007 20:11:42 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste Cool leap Ed! I don't recall saying anything about sex. Are you reading more into the word stimulation than I intended? Your leaps are impressive but I wasn't talking about sex. I'm well aware of your opinion and wouldn't think of talking about it with you. Jeff "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message news:geedneh4SoHdeTnYnZ2dnUVZ_tOmnZ2d@prairiewave.com... > > "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message > news:12q454m3t0eccf8@news.supernews.com... > > Edward Dolan wrote: > >>> But don't you miss the intellectual stimulation? As you know, I love to >>> argue with New York Jews. >>> >> >> What intellectual stimulation? You don't stimulate, you pontificate. You >> are like a book. Everything you are going to say you have said before. I >> have read the book of Ed Dolan many times. The result of debating you >> will be nothing new and so no intellectual stimulation will take place. >> If I found you intellectually stimulating you would have heard a lot more >> from me over the past few years. > > Jeff Grippe, like all Jews, is licentious, especially with respect to sex. > Ed Dolan, even though he is of Irish ancestry and of Catholic heritage, is > really a Puritanical Protestant. Therein lies all the conflict. > > I abhor all licentiousness even though that is the way America is going. > Jewish licentiousness is especially revolting to me. I have noted that > even the most orthodox of Jews have a roving eye. It apparently comes with > the religion. > > I am your eternal enemy on the field of sexual morality. It has always > struck me as very peculiar that the Jews can be so obsessed with other > forms of morality, but be so blind when it comes to sexual morality. If it > feels good, then it must be good? We Puritans disagree most violently with > those kind of sentiments. > > Regards, > > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota > aka > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > > PS. By the way, I too have never gotten any intellectual stimulation via > this newsgroup. Everyone is way too stupid to ever have that effect on me. > Even Tom Sherman turned out to be nothing but an ideologue. Hells Bells, I > would rather talk to the wall than talk to him. > >               Date: 10 Jan 2007 21:14:20 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:12qb3mfjbpeisac@news.supernews.com... ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS! > Cool leap Ed! > > I don't recall saying anything about sex. Not recently, but I have a long memory. Furthermore, I was saying more about your religion than I was about sex, or did you miss all my references to morality in general? > Are you reading more into the word stimulation than I intended? > > Your leaps are impressive but I wasn't talking about sex. You remain fixed in my mind as one of the foremost proponents of cherchez la femme, you and that other idiot - Gary G. Since you like to look up things in the archive, go look up what you have previously said on the subject some years ago. > I'm well aware of your opinion and wouldn't think of talking about it with > you. Good! Then don't! There are already enough assholes here who want to do that. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota > "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message > news:geedneh4SoHdeTnYnZ2dnUVZ_tOmnZ2d@prairiewave.com... >> >> "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com> wrote in message >> news:12q454m3t0eccf8@news.supernews.com... >> >> Edward Dolan wrote: >> >>>> But don't you miss the intellectual stimulation? As you know, I love >>>> to argue with New York Jews. >>>> >>> >>> What intellectual stimulation? You don't stimulate, you pontificate. You >>> are like a book. Everything you are going to say you have said before. I >>> have read the book of Ed Dolan many times. The result of debating you >>> will be nothing new and so no intellectual stimulation will take place. >>> If I found you intellectually stimulating you would have heard a lot >>> more from me over the past few years. >> >> Jeff Grippe, like all Jews, is licentious, especially with respect to >> sex. Ed Dolan, even though he is of Irish ancestry and of Catholic >> heritage, is really a Puritanical Protestant. Therein lies all the >> conflict. >> >> I abhor all licentiousness even though that is the way America is going. >> Jewish licentiousness is especially revolting to me. I have noted that >> even the most orthodox of Jews have a roving eye. It apparently comes >> with the religion. >> >> I am your eternal enemy on the field of sexual morality. It has always >> struck me as very peculiar that the Jews can be so obsessed with other >> forms of morality, but be so blind when it comes to sexual morality. If >> it feels good, then it must be good? We Puritans disagree most violently >> with those kind of sentiments. >> >> PS. By the way, I too have never gotten any intellectual stimulation via >> this newsgroup. Everyone is way too stupid to ever have that effect on >> me. Even Tom Sherman turned out to be nothing but an ideologue. Hells >> Bells, I would rather talk to the wall than talk to him.   Date: 05 Jan 2007 05:40:51 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:12pr4rfdietbt15@news.supernews.com... [...] > You have taken pride in being the "All Time Poster" in terms of number of > messages. I think that means that you have left a pretty big stamp on the > group. jwold, Ed Gin, or whatever his (or her) name is, is a reaction to > what you have created. Without Ed Dolan there would be no jwold postings. Jeff, I have complete contempt for anyone who posts to Usenet who does not use their real name. You and I use our real names, That is why I accord you respect that I could never accord anyone who does not perform this very elementary courtesy of using their real name. I KNOW that the SPAMMING TROLL is Ed Gin and I will continue to skewer him forever. He is human scum and that is how I shall treat him for all eternity. Real names count and user names are for shitheads like Ed Gin - period! Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota   Date: 05 Jan 2007 02:46:59 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:12pr4rfdietbt15@news.supernews.com... > To Ed, > > For a long time I have taken the position that you should be welcomed to > this group. Actually my position has been that everyone should be welcome. > I don't really think that has changed. However, No, you freaking moron, not everyone should be welcome! That is a god damn liberal idea bathed in political correctness that should have a stake driven through the heart of it. How do you get to be so stupid? > It is difficult to imagine that you can not see that group has become what > you have made of it. > > You have taken pride in being the "All Time Poster" in terms of number of > messages. I think that means that you have left a pretty big stamp on the > group. jwold, Ed Gin, or whatever his (or her) name is, is a reaction to > what you have created. Without Ed Dolan there would be no jwold postings. Wrong again! Ed Gin is what he is - human scum. The question is how do you keep human scum off of a newsgroup. There is no way to do it if the group does not have a moderator. ARBR needs a moderator just like any civilized group does. Without a moderator, you get human scum like Ed Gin and there is nothing you or anyone else can do about it. > While the idea of "Fight Fire With Fire" is a well know cliche, when you > actually do it, you end up with a bigger fire. If it is fire you want then > it is fire you've got. But don't pretend that you have nothing to do with > it. Fuck Ed Gin and all those who post like him! The rest of you are cowards not to stand up to this bully asshole. > If the group happens to be composed of mostly liberals then that is what > the group is made up of. It really isn't your place to decide what points > of view are welcome and what points of view are not. I insist on balance and, by God, there will be balance here if I have to blow a gasket. > What this group has become is what you, the all time, number one poster, > has made it. The rest of you have proven yourselves to be cowards. ARBR deserves to die and Ed Gin and I will kill this fucking group. Get a moderator or get lost! The BROL type of forum is the ONLY way to go. > I am certain that you will respond to this post as you respond to just > about everything. > > For the record, I have no intention of carrying on a dialog with you about > the point's I've raised in this posting. It is a pointless exercise as is > this message itself I suppose. This means that I will not respond to > anything that you answer and I don't think I'll start another thread since > I don't have anything else to add. > > As I always have (and always will), I wish you well. So how are you coming along with your rehabilitation from your accident? If you can no longer cycle I recommend that you walk. It is safer and just as healthy. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota     Date: 05 Jan 2007 05:53:37 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste > So how are you coming along with your rehabilitation from your accident? > If you can no longer cycle I recommend that you walk. It is safer and just > as healthy. Thank you for asking. Walking has, unfortunately, become a very unpleasant activity. One of the residual effects is that I have a foot drop on my right side. The result is that my right foot is always dragging and getting caught when I walk. I have been fitted for a brace that should help. We'll see. On the other hand I have been back in the gym for quite some time and I have recovered strength I haven't had in years. I have also returned to tial arts study. I was able to locate a school whose philosophy of training is that "you work with whatever you've got". They are not rigid about how things have to be done. They teach you to do what you are able to do with the tools that you have. So even though I can't ride (yet!), I would say things are going pretty well. Thanks again for asking. Jeff       Date: 05 Jan 2007 05:05:07 From: Edward Dolan Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste "Jeff Grippe" <jeff@door7.com > wrote in message news:12psbe7fq58gu9a@news.supernews.com... >> So how are you coming along with your rehabilitation from your accident? >> If you can no longer cycle I recommend that you walk. It is safer and >> just as healthy. > > Thank you for asking. > > Walking has, unfortunately, become a very unpleasant activity. One of the > residual effects is that I have a foot drop on my right side. The result > is that my right foot is always dragging and getting caught when I walk. I > have been fitted for a brace that should help. We'll see. > > On the other hand I have been back in the gym for quite some time and I > have recovered strength I haven't had in years. I have also returned to > tial arts study. I was able to locate a school whose philosophy of > training is that "you work with whatever you've got". They are not rigid > about how things have to be done. They teach you to do what you are able > to do with the tools that you have. > > So even though I can't ride (yet!), I would say things are going pretty > well. > > Thanks again for asking. > > Jeff Jeff, you are going to do just fine because of the attitude you have about it. I wish I could be more like you in that respect. I am always in despair about most things. Why I am this way I do not know but I have always been like this. I am a total pessimist about everything. Best of luck to you. Regards, Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota aka Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota         Date: 05 Jan 2007 21:03:28 From: Jeff Grippe Subject: Re: Probably a waste of my time but its my time to waste > Jeff, you are going to do just fine because of the attitude you have about > it. I wish I could be more like you in that respect. I am always in > despair about most things. Why I am this way I do not know but I have > always been like this. I am a total pessimist about everything. > > Best of luck to you. Thank you again for the encouragement. Regarding your opinion of me/you, the saying is "It takes all kinds" In my opinion, there is real value in the pessimist. It is important to have someone like you around when I'm about to charge headlong into something stupid. I ried someone who is fairly pessimistic most of the time and the relationship works pretty well. Having you be you and me be me keeps life interesting. Again I thank you for your good wishes. Jeff