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Date: 14 Dec 2006 16:09:31
From: Bassetdad
Subject: Question From A Newbie
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Being totally new to the recumbent world, I am attempting to do my homework
before I purchase a recumbent.
Are Sun bicycles the bottom feeders of the recumbent world?
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 21:25:11
From:
Subject: Re: Question From A Newbie
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On Dec 14, 1:09 pm, "Bassetdad" <Bassetdad2...@Gmail.com > wrote:
> Being totally new to the recumbent world, I am attempting to do my homework
> before I purchase a recumbent.
>
> Are Sun bicycles the bottom feeders of the recumbent world?
They are "entry-level", but not at all like a Walt bike. More like
a Giant Yukon, or similar low-end bike-store bike. Folks have put
thousands of miles on Sun (and ActionBent) bikes before upgrading to
something a little lighter, or with spiffier bits and pieces, or
what-have-you. Whether one is appropriate for you has a lot to do with
your budget and intended use. Wander on over to
www.bentrideronline.com for advice and opinions minus most of the
diatribes.
John
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 08:37:29
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Question From A Newbie
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<john@hopkinsit.com > wrote in message
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> On Dec 14, 1:09 pm, "Bassetdad" <Bassetdad2...@Gmail.com> wrote:
>> Being totally new to the recumbent world, I am attempting to do my
>> homework
>> before I purchase a recumbent.
>>
>> Are Sun bicycles the bottom feeders of the recumbent world?
>
> They are "entry-level", but not at all like a Walt bike. More like
> a Giant Yukon, or similar low-end bike-store bike. Folks have put
> thousands of miles on Sun (and ActionBent) bikes before upgrading to
> something a little lighter, or with spiffier bits and pieces, or
> what-have-you. Whether one is appropriate for you has a lot to do with
> your budget and intended use.
Any one but me ever put off by the "entry-level" moniker? Some bikes are
true klunkers for a variety of reasons, but Sun bikes do not fall into that
category. ReBikes were klunkers. One thing is for sure: never judge a bike
by its price.
Your main consideration with a recumbent should be the comfort factor.
Everything else is relatively unimportant compared to that - including
weight. All bikes are going to come in at around 30 pounds or so. If you are
that concerned about weight, why not just take 20 pounds off your body.
Every American I have ever known is at least 20 pounds overweight.
The Sun recumbents were designed by Easy Racers and are priced sensibly
which is more than you can say for 90% of all recumbents. The kind of folks
who buy $2000. recumbents have more money than brains. I refuse ever again
to even consider any recumbent which costs one penny over $1000. and a $500.
recumbent I will praise to high heaven provided it is not a klunker. For
heaven's sakes, I spend $2000. on used cars. That is not a bike price if any
of us had the brains we were born with.
Wander on over to
> www.bentrideronline.com for advice and opinions minus most of the
> diatribes.
Yes, they will like any and all bikes that are expensive and will designate
any and all bikes that are not expensive as "entry-level" just like John
has done with the understanding that you should not buy them if you want to
do more than ride around the block. So much for BROL and John and all those
who think like them.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 18:13:25
From: Mr. Excitement
Subject: Re: Question From A Newbie
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Bassetdad, the most important thing to learn as a newbie is that Ed Dolan is
a complete fucktard.
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Date: 18 Dec 2006 12:11:03
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Question From A Newbie
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"Mr. Excitement" <dolansux@cox.com > wrote in message
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ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
> Bassetdad, the most important thing to learn as a newbie is that Ed Dolan
> is a complete fucktard.
I doubt that Bassetdad needs an asshole like you to run interference for him
whether he is a newbie or not.
But hey, keep those quality posts coming asshole (fucktard?) and ARBR will
soon be as dead as your brain.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 20 Dec 2006 21:48:05
From: Mr. Excitement
Subject: Re: Question From A Newbie
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
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> "Mr. Excitement" <dolansux@cox.com> wrote in message
> news:em2945$qrp$2@aioe.org...
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> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>
>> Bassetdad, the most important thing to learn as a newbie is that Ed Dolan
>> is a complete fucktard.
>
> I doubt that Bassetdad needs an asshole like you to run interference for
> him whether he is a newbie or not.
>
> But hey, keep those quality posts coming asshole (fucktard?) and ARBR will
> soon be as dead as your brain.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
He may not need my "interference" but will bet he prefers it to your pompous
trolling. Plus you are a fucktard.
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Date: 21 Dec 2006 20:16:41
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Question From A Newbie
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"Mr. Excitement" <dolansux@cox.com > wrote in message
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> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
> news:2MKdnb4nRNhTRBvYnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@prairiewave.com...
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>> "Mr. Excitement" <dolansux@cox.com> wrote in message
>> news:em2945$qrp$2@aioe.org...
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>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>
>>> Bassetdad, the most important thing to learn as a newbie is that Ed
>>> Dolan is a complete fucktard.
>>
>> I doubt that Bassetdad needs an asshole like you to run interference for
>> him whether he is a newbie or not.
>>
>> But hey, keep those quality posts coming asshole (fucktard?) and ARBR
>> will soon be as dead as your brain.
>
> He may not need my "interference" but will bet he prefers it to your
> pompous trolling. Plus you are a fucktard.
Bassetdad can look after himself if he had the wit to post a message to
ARBR.
Is fucktard a combination of fucker and turd - someone who fucks assholes?
If so, you are obviously describing yourself. Shame on you! We don't need to
know that much about you.
Anyone but me struck by how anonymous posters are always without any
exceptions whatsoever either idiots, scoundrels or jerks - or invariably all
three.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 22 Dec 2006 20:31:30
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Question From A Newbie
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"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net > wrote in message
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> "Mr. Excitement" <dolansux@cox.com> wrote in message
> news:emd769$7ml$1@aioe.org...
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>> "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
>> news:2MKdnb4nRNhTRBvYnZ2dnUVZ_oernZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>>>
>>> "Mr. Excitement" <dolansux@cox.com> wrote in message
>>> news:em2945$qrp$2@aioe.org...
>>>
>>> ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!
>>>
>>>> Bassetdad, the most important thing to learn as a newbie is that Ed
>>>> Dolan is a complete fucktard.
>>>
>>> I doubt that Bassetdad needs an asshole like you to run interference for
>>> him whether he is a newbie or not.
>>>
>>> But hey, keep those quality posts coming asshole (fucktard?) and ARBR
>>> will soon be as dead as your brain.
>>
>> He may not need my "interference" but will bet he prefers it to your
>> pompous trolling. Plus you are a fucktard.
>
> Bassetdad can look after himself if he had the wit to post a message to
> ARBR.
>
> Is fucktard a combination of fucker and turd - someone who fucks assholes?
> If so, you are obviously describing yourself. Shame on you! We don't need
> to know that much about you.
I have been up all night thinking about what fucktard means and I now
realize it is a combination of fucker and retard, not turd. Therefore, you
are telling us that you are a retard who is a fucker. Good! Glad we got that
cleared up. Now, maybe I can get some sleep tonight!
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
> Anyone but me struck by how anonymous posters are always without any
> exceptions whatsoever either idiots, scoundrels or jerks - or invariably
> all three.
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 18:10:22
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Question From A Newbie
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"Bassetdad" <Bassetdad2003@Gmail.com > wrote in message
news:63ce3$4581bd8c$d844ec09$14322@FUSE.NET...
> Being totally new to the recumbent world, I am attempting to do my
> homework
> before I purchase a recumbent.
>
> Are Sun bicycles the bottom feeders of the recumbent world?
You can spend a fortune on recumbents without half trying. I know. I have
been there and back. Screw all these g.d. expensive recumbents! Sun makes
excellent recumbents and knows how to price them sensibly.
99% of us only ride our bikes around town for a bit of exercise. Almost any
bike is going to come in at around 30 pounds. Sun is in this ball park. Most
other recumbent bike manufacturers are only intent on enriching themselves
at your expense. Don't even think about spending $2000. for a recumbent. The
kind of bastards who make these expensive bikes are all crooks and ought to
be taken out and executed forthwith. But they are basically idiots. Hells
Bells, any fool can make a recumbent for $2000. The trick is to make one for
$500. It takes intelligence to be able to do that.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 22:47:59
From: Buck
Subject: Re: Question From A Newbie
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On 12/14/2006 21:09:31 "Bassetdad" <Bassetdad2003@Gmail.com > wrote:
> Being totally new to the recumbent world, I am attempting to do my
> homework before I purchase a recumbent.
> Are Sun bicycles the bottom feeders of the recumbent world?
There are worse.
--
Buck
I would rather be out on my Catrike
http://www.catrike.co.uk
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 18:21:10
From: Edward Dolan
Subject: Re: Question From A Newbie
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"Buck" <ian@ATtrikesandstuffDOT.coDOT.uk > wrote in message
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> On 12/14/2006 21:09:31 "Bassetdad" <Bassetdad2003@Gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Being totally new to the recumbent world, I am attempting to do my
>> homework before I purchase a recumbent.
>
>> Are Sun bicycles the bottom feeders of the recumbent world?
>
> There are worse.
Always good to hear from the peanut gallery. Of course, this idiot would
like to sell you a Cat Trike for a couple of thousand. It is the hallk of
an idiot to go with the flow and sell whatever is available at whatever
price. If Ian had any brains he would figure out how to sell a recumbent
trike for less than a thousand at least.
Regards,
Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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Date: 14 Dec 2006 15:45:57
From: DougC
Subject: Re: Low-End Bikes
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Bassetdad wrote:
> Being totally new to the recumbent world, I am attempting to do my homework
> before I purchase a recumbent.
>
> Are Sun bicycles the bottom feeders of the recumbent world?
>
>
Not really, any more than other low-end names would be.
Sun is one of the less-expensive dealer-based brands.
Cycle Genius is another. The cheapest CLWB models of both start at
around $550 USD.
Neither is the machine I'd pick for a NY-to-LA tour, but both are
/probably/ a lot more comfortable than any upright bike is going to be.
If you want a SWB there is Actionbent, which sells online/mail order.
~
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 08:55:36
From: Bassetdad
Subject: Re: Low-End Bikes
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My past three uprights have been upper end Cannodale bicycles, which I
really enjoy riding. Due to an ongoing medical problem, riding a recumbent
may be a better choice of transportation for me.
After several back operations caused by degenerative disc disease, I am now
facing the inescapable fact that I need to have rod and screws install in my
back in the very near future. I am now restricted to riding flat bike paths
at 10-14-mph on my upright. I still enjoy riding 40-60 miles, but it has to
be fairly level ground. I am attempting to do my homework and purchase a new
or possibly a used recumbent trike and stay within my $1500-$1800 budget.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 12:43:46
From: JKimmel
Subject: Re: Low-End Bikes
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Bassetdad wrote:
> My past three uprights have been upper end Cannodale bicycles, which I
> really enjoy riding. Due to an ongoing medical problem, riding a recumbent
> may be a better choice of transportation for me.
>
> After several back operations caused by degenerative disc disease, I am now
> facing the inescapable fact that I need to have rod and screws install in my
> back in the very near future. I am now restricted to riding flat bike paths
> at 10-14-mph on my upright. I still enjoy riding 40-60 miles, but it has to
> be fairly level ground. I am attempting to do my homework and purchase a new
> or possibly a used recumbent trike and stay within my $1500-$1800 budget.
>
>
You could buy a used bike. My two used Vision R-40's together were $1450.
--
J Kimmel
myname@whereIwork.com
www.metalinnovations.com
"Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum." - When you have
their full attention in your grip, their hearts and minds will follow.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 10:44:08
From: DougC
Subject: Re: Low-End Bikes
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Bassetdad wrote:
> My past three uprights have been upper end Cannodale bicycles, which I
> really enjoy riding. Due to an ongoing medical problem, riding a recumbent
> may be a better choice of transportation for me.
> .....
You pretty much need to test-ride before buying then. Different models
of bikes allow vastly different seating positions, and it's not really
possible to predict what will feel better for you.
The stuff that Sun and Cycle Genius sell has pretty-upright seating.
You can adjust the seat-backs within a range of course but the bikes are
intended for a certain position and don't work well if you adjust the
bike much beyond it. I have a Cycle Genius Falcon LWB for instance and
it works just about perfect for me but the seat is pretty upright (about
15-20 degrees back from vertical), and out of curiosity I've tried it
with the seat reclined a lot (45 degrees or so)--and the position is
more comfortable but pedaling doesn't work well. Because of where the
pedals are located (as low as they are) you tend to slide up the seat if
you pedal hard.
If you try sitting on a couple of these and they don't work for you,
then you need something more-reclined, which means a SWB, a
low/medium/highracer or a tadpole trike.
A lot of shorter people who test-rode my 20/26 SWB did not like it
because of the long leg-reach to ground. If that bothers you as well,
then (for a very-reclined bike set low to the ground) you are left with
low- and mediumracers (like Challenge Jester and Hurricane) and tadpole
trikes.
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 22:02:01
From: Zebee Johnstone
Subject: Re: Low-End Bikes
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In alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent on Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:44:08 -0600
DougC <dcimper@norcom2000.com > wrote:
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> A lot of shorter people who test-rode my 20/26 SWB did not like it
> because of the long leg-reach to ground. If that bothers you as well,
> then (for a very-reclined bike set low to the ground) you are left with
> low- and mediumracers (like Challenge Jester and Hurricane) and tadpole
> trikes.
I note that I have a 20/26 Bacchetta Giro, and am 5'2" on a good day.
I have no problem at all reaching the ground. So trying a bike is
important, this seems to be very individual.
THe Giro seems to work with a variety of seat angles, I must measure
mine one day....
Zebee
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Date: 16 Dec 2006 03:14:51
From: nget
Subject: Re: Question From A Newbie
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Bassetdad Wrote:
> My past three uprights have been upper end Cannodale bicycles, which I
> really enjoy riding. Due to an ongoing medical problem, riding
> recumbent
> may be a better choice of transportation for me.
>
> After several back operations caused by degenerative disc disease, I a
> now
> facing the inescapable fact that I need to have rod and screws instal
> in my
> back in the very near future. I am now restricted to riding flat bik
> paths
> at 10-14-mph on my upright. I still enjoy riding 40-60 miles, but i
> has to
> be fairly level ground. I am attempting to do my homework and purchas
> a new
> or possibly a used recumbent trike and stay within my $1500-$180
> budget.
I really like the used recumbent ket that is out there. If you hav
patience there are some good deals that come around. Last year I score
a high racer with a euromesh seat that I find very comfortable and ver
fast too. It's all good.
I've got my cake and I'm eating it too,
--
nget
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Date: 15 Dec 2006 14:02:30
From: Buck
Subject: Re: Low-End Bikes
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On 12/15/2006 13:55:36 "Bassetdad" <Bassetdad2003@Gmail.com > wrote:
> My past three uprights have been upper end Cannodale bicycles, which I
> really enjoy riding. Due to an ongoing medical problem, riding a
> recumbent may be a better choice of transportation for me.
> After several back operations caused by degenerative disc disease, I am
> now facing the inescapable fact that I need to have rod and screws install
> in my back in the very near future. I am now restricted to riding flat
> bike paths at 10-14-mph on my upright. I still enjoy riding 40-60 miles,
> but it has to be fairly level ground. I am attempting to do my homework
> and purchase a new or possibly a used recumbent trike and stay within my
> $1500-$1800 budget.
I had a customer with a similar problem to yours, he found that the more reclined recing models were more suitable that the more upright models, the important thing for you to do will be to try them, the Catrike has the advantage of a mesh seat that can be tensioned or de-tensioned on the starps as required.
You may also find that shorter cranks help in that your knees do not push so far back on the off stroke.
--
Buck
I would rather be out on my Catrike
http://www.catrike.co.uk
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